assassination

[lime edge]

Mobs dont live long enough for kingsbane

Like at all

[cosmic robin]

must be troll

[analog field]

?

for sure sd is a dmg loss

by default is a damage rectification

[lime edge]

Wdym

[cosmic robin]

I'll get auto-kicked from the pug if i dont swap to adds for sure

[analog field]

You want to swap so you cast gar mut rup mut env ?

like 2k dmg ?

[royal lantern]

most of assas aoe dmg is dots

the adds die really quick

soooooooooooooooooooooo..........................

[analog field]

Sudden demise says : you have used x amount of energy for y amount of dmg. if mobs would die with 1.5y dmg then they pop

but you already have used this energy and dmg

so by default you have wasted resources

[sacred oyster]

if your high on dps charts and the ads are dieing quick, no ones going to kick you for that lol. if they did, then thats good for you, sounds like dumb group.

[lime edge]

Thats just how keeping ur dots up works

[analog field]

that's why you don't dot when mobs are about to die

So you don't waste resources

[sacred oyster]

its something else if struggling to kill ads and you arent helping and it causes a wipe

[analog field]

6's should take like 10 minutes

i prefer to pump st dmg than kill the shit adds faster

and it's more meaningful dmg

[sacred oyster]

well most ppl running 6's are lower geared lol. sure as hell didnt take 10 mins on random pugs when i was doing 6's. but if you are carrying to help gear a friend i can see it being faster

[lime edge]

Im top dmg on every pug anyways

[analog field]

I did all +3 dungeons under 10 the first week

if people are playing the game they are like +3

[autumn idol]

hi guys can you tell me who the femboy of the day is

[sacred oyster]

well you prob have a good group of friends and wasnt pugging lol

[analog field]

i only pug

or mostly anyway

my guild wants to do 10's for farm and i am bored of doing 10's so i pug

[sacred oyster]

go play the lottery then

[analog field]

I don't agree

people overexaggerate how bad pugging is

[royal lantern]

@coral ibex

[analog field]

ofc there are runs where pugging is awful

[sacred oyster]

im not saying its bad, but to get lucky enough to solid group +3 in first week?

[analog field]

last season i reached 3600 only pugging

[lime edge]

Im gonna have to see this 10min dungeon pug

[analog field]

and most of my keys were in time

ok when i say 10 i mean +3

so it can be 17 maybe

but week 1

[autumn idol]

when are you going to name yourself

[severe meadow]

@thorn thorn

Except it’s everyday

[autumn idol]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[royal lantern]

when im worthy of the title

[autumn idol]

which is

[coral ibex]

i am not a femboy

[spice spire]

@royal lantern is my femboy of the day

[spice spire]

Nah ur was you some days king

I remember the egirl pfp

[severe meadow]

uwu

[weary stump]

But who is the best glorp friend of the day

[spice spire]

@haughty flicker always

[severe meadow]

@haughty flicker

[spice spire]

My monarch

[weary stump]

Blessed bel

We still don't have a beloren child of glorp image

[autumn idol]

apologies monarch

[humble rose]

Do we always vanish>garrote in opener after dm>kb>env ?

[wary light]

If I have to learn midnight assa for paladins someone give me the tldr, are there any huge min-maxes or am I jamming bleeds and vibing?

[viscid spear]

[royal lantern]

put on the cat ears

[autumn idol]

everyone in assassination by default is femboy

[viscid spear]

That's because Whispyr is a massive femboy.
It's only natural

[autumn idol]

@grok is this true?

[coral ibex]

i am not a femboy, i collect femboys by way of baited traps

YOU will put on the cat ears

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/radlcies-cat-ears-pop-ears-popping-gif-6350368405702208034

PoV: you spec assa

[azure carbon]

Kingsbane + DM + vanish/garrote on cd.

Keep garrote/rupture up. Finish at 5+ CP.

Don't refresh imp garrote early.

Muta / envenom to dump CPs.

That's like 80/90% of the way there. If you getting fancy get into the weeds with implacable.

[wary light]

Yeah alright, is the rest of that percentage just implacable rules? I'll hit some dummies

[azure carbon]

Yeah basically. There's like 2% damage gated behind pooling and using implacable well.

[wary light]

Perf thanks, think Shin and Whispyr covered those well in vids so should be fine

[spice spire]

False bestie

[autumn idol]

its true

[autumn idol]

oooh what are these cat ears

yoink

[spice spire]

Unfortunately for you, I’m the opposite and could split all the femboys open like a coconut

[autumn idol]

[waxen oyster]

say gex?

[spice spire]

Gex

[autumn idol]

gex

[heavy sentinel]

how much haste do we want as sin?

is it around 650-700 like sub or is there no ceiling?

[wary light]

P sure it's just a roboto angle

[analog field]

you will end up around there but it is a roboto angle

[heavy sentinel]

whats roboto?

sim?

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/gex-money-winking-gex-enter-the-gecko-ps1-gif-24648318

Loved these games

[storm forum]

Multiple ur crit by 0.825 and that's how much haste you want

Advanced stat weights algebra

[coral ibex]

bruh

don’t spread stuff like that bc now every stat obsessed andy is gonna try to argue about it

[waxen oyster]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

answers 90% of gear questions

[weary stump]

The real trick is to just not worry about substats and blame the aug evoker if your DPS is bad

[high dust]

Icy veins tier list giving this spec hope wtf.

[strange onyx]

Paladins

is kinda ass

ngl

[heavy sentinel]

im going with this

[weary stump]

Ezpz

[runic hinge]

@marble hemlock explain yourself

[high dust]

It's on A+ with Sub...did we get buff already on aoe?

[runic hinge]

tuesday

[high dust]

wednesday for me

[small lagoon]

I tried the "weekly aoe pad sudden demise build" the one with blindside talented. It felt doing kinda similar ST as the "real m+ build". AND Its actually simming around the same 70k ish ST as the m+ build i've seen people playing in higher keys. I tried simming with realistic buffs i have in keys, tried 2,3 and 5 min sims. Am i missing something here? 😄

[weary stump]

Isn't the buff only like 1%

Or is it a different buff

[small lagoon]

I'm just flexing between sub and sin so my stats arent optimal for assassin, but i thought its full on bad in ST. I feel like i should be doing more ST with the "optimal" build.

[high dust]

Gains (for Fatebound):
Single target -> 1%
Raid Cleave/AoE -> 2.7-3%
Dungeons -> 3-3.3%
Large AoE (10+ target) -> 4.5- 5%

[severe meadow]

It’s in pins

[weary stump]

Oh thanks, I'm blind

But not as blind as our lack of aoe blind

[severe meadow]

It’s coming back at least xd

[high dust]

Same, I have like 1k mastery and 500 crit/haste. Hoping pit of saron gets me something to help that...

[weary stump]

Aoe blind is going to single handedly carry again when the rest of the group forgets what interrupts are

[severe meadow]

Yeah

And after this buff we’re going to be ripping

[fallow canopy]

say less

[weary stump]

Maybe I'll be able to stay as sin in mythic with these changes and not annoy my raid lead

[severe meadow]

Get in line buddy..

[strange onyx]

You get to play assa on Paladins 🙂

[fallow canopy]

there's always room for the centipede strat just saying

[worldly sail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1486029189890179233/00-4x.gif

[severe meadow]

[spice spire]

Less

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-im-all-ears-listening-so-ive-heard-gif-6613852590395623599

[weary stump]

Okay but consider

[severe meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[strange onyx]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-am-in-hell-im-in-hell

[severe meadow]

Sorry Skuwup, can’t help

[weary stump]

We can help actually

[severe meadow]

Yeah, pin his legs back

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-sonic-gif-16480151311255377524

[weary stump]

https://tenor.com/view/鹿乃子乃子虎視眈眈-shikanoko-nokonoko-koshitantan-my-deer-friend-nokotan-banana-antlers-gif-482362154300435952

[chilly spoke]

Guys, quick question: I was thinking about coming back to Assa recently and wanted to clarify something. I was checking some guides but it’s still not clear to me whether restealth still buffs Garrote and its crit chance like before, or not. Does that mean Vanish is basically just a defensive cooldown now? Also, should I be taking the potions that enable restealth instead of the ones that buff my main stat?

[fallow canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1365600517417467914/1447164628441501767/G7eDB38WkAAC7rW.gif

[fallow canopy]

We use vanish for improved garrote if talented

[steep shard]

What’s gonna be best rogue spec after tuning for dungeons?

[severe meadow]

No restealth potion

[fallow canopy]

Ass > Sin > Assa in that order. Unbiased opinion btw

[cloud ridge]

Can someone explain me the best opener aoe plz?
Do you cast envenom before burst vanish reapply garrot?

[acoustic sail]

hey guys for m+ im on +16 right now and we start now with myth raid... after assa buffs can i switch to assa and have better dmg output then sub? or is +16 still to low for assa

[misty holly]

If you had really fast load times (like super fast SSD) would it be worthwhile to put all your dots on the first pull of a dungeon then zone out, respec to sub, and play from there?

Like best of both worlds thing.

[sacred oyster]

too much energy went into writing that message. rm -rf

[cloud dune]

No

[frank sentinel]

With these new buffs will assasination be competetive spec now?

[frosty cedar]

already was

[fallow canopy]

always has been 🔫 🧑‍🚀

[frank sentinel]

Real shi?

https://tenor.com/view/real-shit-i-sleep-shaq-triggered-woke-gif-17504394

[waxen oyster]

no rerolling a better class is

[frank sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-smoking-sadge-pepe-smoking-pepe-sadge-gif-16948267171533269841

[waxen oyster]

you can play either spec it doesnt matter

you just exist to apply atrophic

[mystic urchin]

thats very optismistic of you to say "exist"

[sacred oyster]

and to kill the boss while the other peons kill adds

[strange onyx]

https://klipy.com/gifs/interstellar-no-no-no

me watching my past self ask to be in for paladins

[frosty cedar]

killed the dragussies

cringe fan of knives spam fight

unbound mutilate

[strange onyx]

You think you gonna do something else on Paladins, bucko?

[frosty cedar]

[royal lantern]

if you have to ask what the "competitive spec" is in a class discord, you should realise that you are like 4000 worldranks away to play on a level where class or spec choice matters in any way at all

jst play what you vibe with

[woeful wigeon]

is there any one who can explain me on discord with live on how we have tu use that apex tallent the right way i am struggling wth it mutch aprriciated

[marble hemlock]

I'm not writing the tier list, petko does.

[frosty cedar]

build it up to 80 stacks, then let it dropp for energy, unless you would overcap energy by doing so

[strange onyx]

maybe i just hit the outlaw

[severe meadow]

[spice spire]

Explain yourself anyway

[subtle tundra]

why do you think assa is A tier

[strange onyx]

A for assa

[subtle tundra]

do not say it starts with A

your mom

my dick

[strange onyx]

Ez

[subtle tundra]

do the math

[strange onyx]

owned

stay small bucko

[subtle tundra]

yeah for her i will

[strange onyx]

Can put it in S tier

For Sin

[hazy sundial]

Are we still vanishing after puzzlebox and deathmark or did that change?

[frosty cedar]

changed

doesnt snapshot anymore

[humble rose]

so when do we vanish?

[frosty cedar]

you can either vanish after your first imp gar runs out, at some kind of add set, or with your second cooldown set if you will not lose a cast

[humble rose]

is there any time where we just spam CT/Envenom at a certain target count, say 8+? or there isn't anything like that. or perhaps during Lust

[hazy sundial]

Anyone has any recommendations on scrolling combat text addons? I used “classic numbers” but devs stopped updating it

[marble hemlock]

well, i exist, because my mom and dad had sex. considering i was born exactly 9 months after my dads birthday, i can kinda guess why. so that'd be explaining myself

[wary light]

Guys respectfully I just did some dummy smacking to see if I can get the hang on midnight assa before Paladins and how the FUCK do you guys play this without wanting to blow your brains out HOLY

The energy is the most cringe thing I have every played in WoW

[spice spire]

Ok but why are you this way

[marble hemlock]

wdym

nature and nurture buddy

[woeful wigeon]

do youmind show me

[hazy sundial]

I don’t think it’s that bad

[spice spire]

Gonna nurture ur nature pal

[wary light]

????

Maybe each to their own but sub is butter compared to this

[viscid spear]

Did you know infertility is genetic? If your parents were unable to have children then you won't be able to either.

[hazy sundial]

Cast 5 envenom > let it fall off

[hazy sundial]

Sub feels like you have no resources

[wary light]

So I get to press my buttons like any normal class in WoW - yes

[hazy sundial]

🤷‍♂️

[wary light]

idk I'll play another 30 mins maybe I'm managing implacable like trash but it REALLY feels ugh on these cleave dummies

[severe meadow]

Well the design of assa isn’t to have infinite energy

So it’s functioning as a normal class

[wary light]

Yes I'm aware - I'm asking how you guys put up with that

[severe meadow]

In its own right

[severe meadow]

The same way I afk’d after busting my load as sub in TWW

[analog field]

What? sub is afk every time after dance

You have lower rpm than assa I would say

[marble hemlock]

yes, i am aware

[severe meadow]

That’s what I’m saying xd

Sub is actually afk after busting

[marble hemlock]

gonna nut your uture.

[solar wyvern]

The only time u run out of energy is if you mess up or get really bad crit rng. Esp in cleave. Are u just mashing fok envenom or are u dropping at max stacks?

[severe meadow]

And if you play well, you don’t really run dry that hard

[spice spire]

?

[analog field]

Charrend do you think sub has higher APM?

[solar wyvern]

No

[marble hemlock]

?

[analog field]

Yeah that's my view too but wasn't sure

[solar wyvern]

Assa is nearly 60 apm, only time ur dropping gcds is to force drop envenom

And u dont do that too frequently esp with blindside or in cleave with extra dashing energy

[wary light]

Okay apologies everyone I am, as they say, regarded

Didn't put ma poisons on innit

[solar wyvern]

Hahaha

[wary light]

🙃

[solar wyvern]

I was about to ask

[wary light]

I have a fukton of energy now LOL

God I'm fucking horrid

[analog field]

But also if you compared to outlaw it would be something reasonable

[severe meadow]

xd

[analog field]

Comparing to sub was funny

[strange onyx]

Puzzle box casting as a flying shield is coming for my ass

The hardest decision a man can make

[weary stump]

l'ura shoots a glaive out, you are mid puzzle box cast

[severe meadow]

After I start my PB, I will finish my PB

The captain sinks with his ship

[strange onyx]

My avengers' shield dented head says the same

[severe meadow]

Good man

[marble hemlock]

reminder that that word is on the filter for a reason (not sure if you tried to circumvent it on purpose, or just didnt know). so please just use different language if you can

[wary light]

Sorry I figured saying what I said was different enough to flag anyone - I don't use the word which is why I said that my b

[marble hemlock]

we sometimes have people purposefully replace a letter or 2 to circumvent the filter for some words, so just thought id let you know so you can be aware in case you werent

[fringe valley]

might be a stupid question but in game description of caustic says 23% of damage splashes but april 7th notes say its going from 18% to 20%... is this modifying something else then?

[spice surge]

Fatebound gives it +5

[spice spire]

Fatebound gives 5%

[spice surge]

So it goes from 23 > 25

[spice spire]

So it’ll be 25

Eleem get outta my head

[fringe valley]

thank you guys

[solar wyvern]

Guys i think fatebound gives it 5

[spice surge]

Im not in your head, im in your walls sweetie

[solar wyvern]

So itll be 25

[fringe valley]

was a bit silly then

[spice spire]

Wish you were in my balls

[solar wyvern]

Dad?

[spice spire]

Fuck it, you too charrend

Ye

[strange onyx]

hey guys

caustic spatter is going to where from where?

[fringe valley]

Fatebound gives 5%

[viscid spear]

Up your ass and to the left

[fringe valley]

So it goes from 23 > 25

xD

[strange onyx]

cant fit more in there

[radiant aspen]

is this okay craft for assa

?

[strange onyx]

got 37 divine hammers up there

[radiant aspen]

and to use pit crit haste wrist

same embelishment same stats

so should be fine right

?

[strange onyx]

yes yes

is fine

you got my blessing

[supple spindle]

All ppl who got gaze should get imprisoned (haven’t even seen it drop)

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rukaateto-rukaateto00-kid-patrick-1VAhClIh0Tkz1XvLtF

i got it first try

[supple spindle]

Mods ban them pls

[radiant aspen]

i have heoric puzzle too

[ashen scroll]

heroic gaze and guidon in my vault week 1. guild gave me gaze so i could take guidon

[viscid spear]

I have a reservation

[sharp viper]

i got it heroic in first vault

[humble rose]

do we want to align vanish with deathmark, or we cast on CD?

[hazy sundial]

I like to drink lemon juice straight from the thing

[balmy condor]

Depends on the fight, it’s pretty safe to sync in most situations

[humble rose]

Thank you!

[coral ibex]

inches miles cups

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-kid-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-16045257244806990422

[brave gyro]

first week of vault too

[gray raven]

i really tried man but i just can't puzzle box, feather life for me

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-kid-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-16045257244806990422

[viscid spear]

I'm going to malice you with a shoehorn

[brave gyro]

Promise?

[viscid spear]

Sure, afterwards I will make sure to scatter ice cubes across your room so when you walk around in socks you step on the melted water.

[grave scroll]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1490839829016084540.webp?size=96

[burnt venture]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[strange onyx]

@balmy condor yo bucko u raiding tonight?

[balmy condor]

@strange onyx yo fucko, yeah I am

[marble wadi]

can anyone look into my m+ log and see if i have any glaring issues in the gameplay im freeballing it rn

[strange onyx]

Paladins or is dragons still alive?

[balmy condor]

[strange onyx]

If you get to paladins complain to me about how stinky that fight is

I am too old for council fights

[real pike]

as long as we don't have to use stupid m+ bleed build

[frosty cedar]

if your doing dragons Whisypr we just finished it today so you got a new parse to beat

[gray raven]

i'm feeling nostalgic about slamming shiv

[uncut dragon]

is the bleed from CT doing much or is it mostly just a 'move the rupture/garrote to everyone' button?

[burnt venture]

With Garrote/Rup buffs tomorrow, is the old bleed build going to be worth looking at? Would assume not since Whisp posted no talent changes

[gray raven]

the old bleed build does not exist anymore

[strange onyx]

Fok fok fok fok fok

[real pike]

and somehow u have 4 cp

[storm forum]

CT does it all! spreads bleeds, does more damage than fan, and applies internal bleeding (if it spreads rupture, which is probably a bug). It just costs too much energy.

[frosty cedar]

the internal bleeding is good but its mostly for spreading bleeds

[burnt venture]

I guess I should have asked, if we are just busting out 10s for vault, any value in making a build with Sudden Demise in it?

[storm forum]

If you and ur whole group is full 285 ilvl maybe

[burnt venture]

The arms warr/marks hunter I run with nuke shit ASAP so I'm having trouble on lower keys keeping up

10's stuff just dies before I can really even get bleeds ticking for long at all

probs just play sub in low keys monkA

[storm forum]

I usually try to desync CDs from the others in these kinds of comps. Can take turns blasting packs most of the time.

[burnt venture]

Yeah that's not a bad idea tbh

[storm forum]

Idk what marks and fury cdr is looking like this tier, if they're both 30/60 second CDs on every pack specs you might just be fucked.

[spice spire]

Watched a rogue leave key mid pull to swap sub because of a marks hunter

Wild stuff

[burnt venture]

It is indeed wild dmg

[balmy condor]

True

And I almost got away with it too!

I was 2k under him in overalls

[uncut dragon]

my plates track rupture and garrote but not ct, I need to sort that out

[bitter solar]

Ct dosn't do a dot anymore so there's nothing to track

[storm forum]

Yeah, but I thought they weretalking about the IB bleed

[bitter solar]

Yeah i figured, but wasn't directed to yourself. I only mention because they're gonna waste time trying to track something that doesn't exist

[thorny lion]

[bitter solar]

declined

[sacred oyster]

well thats a self inflicted problem. no one has to wait if you run your own key.

[frosty cedar]

he waits in city like NPC

[keen spruce]

USA USA USA

(I just landed and checked how close was it actually)

[coral ibex]

4% assa buff -> liquid 4peat

it was foretold

[keen spruce]

Was it like fyrak close?

Both on any given pull?

I saw echo was at 1% but didn’t know when they got there

[coral ibex]

yes

[frosty cedar]

they shoulda just had an assa rogue fr

[coral ibex]

||gingi hard griefed while sucking at the bottom of the meter||

[spice surge]

Or no rogue

[frosty cedar]

[balmy condor]

okay but you can't blame the guy, hopeful was getting pi and so he has 3 extra combusts

[split mantle]

How is 'sin comparing to sub right now on Raid bosses? Are they pretty equal? Or does Sub come out on top?

[coral ibex]

assa is doing the most boss damage in public mythic logs rn

other than aug

its the same in heroic

[buoyant herald]

Generational hating, got a clip? 🤣

[coral ibex]

scroll any pull on the echo stream

[buoyant herald]

Sheesh ok, I’d heard of a few throws from them on the 6%er but I’m sure I can find a clip

[coral ibex]

he bombed the raid with the snowflake mech

[buoyant herald]

Yeah but I gotta see it with my own eyes

Nicememes v2.0

[brazen jacinth]

can sin use swords in oh? and is it worse than using a dagger?

[coral ibex]

no

[balmy condor]

you can't hit mutilate with a sword

[coral ibex]

impossible

[drifting cloud]

whispyr doesnt want you to know about the secret fok assa

[balmy condor]

fork ass

[frosty cedar]

ah yes

come my acolyte and I will teach you the hidden art of swordweaving

[waxen oyster]

flashback to bfa

double folly fok spam

[balmy condor]

that shit was so ass

but as per usual some dumbfuck did it on hivemind or some meme fight

and it spread like wildfire

[waxen oyster]

was td beach pull

then exit

put on daggers

[frosty cedar]

wait was this actually a thing

didnt play BFA

[balmy condor]

yeah

[frosty cedar]

[balmy condor]

there were these one hand axes

[weary crypt]

quick question on aoe situations, do I start spamming fok once I get bleeds on all targets? I feel like top mythic plus players are spamming ct a lot

[frosty cedar]

this is disturbing tech

[balmy condor]

when everything has bleeds, you fok

[weary crypt]

ok thanks, I was looking at casualaddicts pov and he's spamming ct most of the times

so i was wondering why...

[balmy condor]

you'd have to ask him

[solar wyvern]

I wish this was still in the game as a dagger that also worked with zoldyck and mastery is that really asking too much??

[wicked valve]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-meme-wait-a-minute-gif-14484132

[balmy condor]

people tried to do it again later with these

[wicked valve]

Sin kinda slaps in higher keys.

[balmy condor]

yeh, we know

[wicked valve]

Im slow.

In more ways than one.

[balmy condor]

we been saying this shit for months

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-good-gif-12770262

[balmy condor]

but it's always "sub aoe look sub aoe look at the big meter"

[wicked valve]

and we're getting BUFFED tomorrow?

[coral ibex]

the scaling is just so wacko this season that you literally can NOT play assa below a 12, maybe even a 13

unless you are like hard carrying fresh 90's

[wicked valve]

Yea, just did my first 12. But it was working for me in 10's too, but mighta been with people missing a few fingers.

[coral ibex]

yea, the less dam your teammates do the more playable assa is in lower keys

otherwise you're pressing dm kb and then the mob is dead in 4 globals

[pallid bough]

https://tenor.com/view/dino-kuning-dino-boy-gif-17018955795093400385

[brazen jacinth]

was thinking of trying out sin but already have mh crafted for outlaw. so dumb u cant even change between specs mid season

[coral ibex]

you could go assa loot spec for some keys until you get a hero dagger

its not ideal but its totally useable

they should just let you use any 1h blade as main hand for outlaw

[humble rose]

Do we cast a second garrote within the first 6 seconds of the opener? Like garrote>muti>rupture>garrote

[warm vortex]

I have a confession

[haughty flicker]

https://x.com/Trencheiro/status/2041282510630371490

Trench (@Trencheiro)

Scripe addressing Echo after Blizz gives them 3 raids to get a WF and they lose all three.

▶ Play video

X · Apr 6, 2026, 10:30 PM

[warm vortex]

Actually thinking of picking up Assa again

Cause it looks like it’s going to be actually o good for M+

And my hunter is nearly fully geared
As in
0 upgrades from M+

[storm forum]

you are a class traitor and will never be welcomed back

[tawdry halo]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[frosty cedar]

🐀

[primal parrot]

[warm vortex]

Idk like I’m thinking

Arms, feral, Assa, or ret

For like silly M+ alts
Cause ngl
I like spriest in raid, but M+?
Nah not rlly my jam

[hazy sundial]

Blood dk

[earnest imp]

Is it like super rough the loss on not getting stealth, just did a random key and got like 0 restealths during the run cuz the tank just ran from pack to pack

[warm vortex]

If I’m ever touching a tank it’s probably guardian

[earnest imp]

like overall wasnt too bad still for a messy run

really hard for me think in my head what the actual numerical losses from this shit are

[storm forum]

if you wanna an alt for m+ I strongly recommend a tank or healer and not 0 utility melee dps 6

[hazy sundial]

Nothing more exciting (fear inducing) than going from 100% hp to 10% then back to 100% every global

[storm forum]

unless you have friends to run with

[warm vortex]

I do

Doing my 15s with a tank I know

Wait

Is vanish still an offensive CD

[storm forum]

yeah, we still get imp gar from it

[warm vortex]

Ok never mind

I think I’ll go with arms then

[storm forum]

i have words for you that would get me banned

[hazy sundial]

It’s not very good. Numbers are good, but it feels weird to me

Plus apex is trash

[warm vortex]

What

??????

[storm forum]

dw about it

[warm vortex]

Also I literally play survival hunter

I’m already deep in the sauce

[storm forum]

wait that wasnt a meme

ur actually playing surv over marks

[warm vortex]

Yes?

[storm forum]

i thought it was a taking our daggers joke

[warm vortex]

Bro

I said “I took the rogues daggers”

And accidentally hit the f next to the d

[worldly sail]

wait.. you're not him..

[warm vortex]

And moreos slapped me on the wrist

Fuck off

[storm forum]

LMAO

[warm vortex]

I use daggers and then get this when I mention it

Fucking rogues man…

[waxen oyster]

this is literally false

[warm vortex]

I really like those funny guys

[waxen oyster]

worse case you get stuck with a heroic wep for 1-2 weeks

also like daggers kinda free to get when we're the only class that uses them

[warm vortex]

But no yea I’m super enjoying sv rn

[brazen jacinth]

ya but im gonna be 1 mythic craft behind the whole season

feels bad

[waxen oyster]

we dont count sv because no guild lets their hunters off ranged hunter

in raid

[warm vortex]

For one night tho

[waxen oyster]

good thing sparks are kind of useless after the 2nd craft

[warm vortex]

I think I’m skipping the first boss cause I’ve already killed it before and then on the second one

[fallow canopy]

Is the wowhead guide decent for learning surv? might level one whilst on paladin prog (bench)

[warm vortex]

Wowhead guide is the better one yea

I’d also highly recommend watching leak

His vids are super good

[waxen oyster]

i like azor commentary

[fallow canopy]

gotcha thanks!

[waxen oyster]

especially when he indirectly called people stupid

and to default to things that give less choices

because it requires less brain input from them

[warm vortex]

He’s also a beast of a player

First boss mythic for ref

P sure he was top 20 chimerus dps overall at some point too

[warm vortex]

If you have any smaller questions about the rota I’d also be down to chime in :>

[waxen oyster]

survival's biggest shortcoming

is its on the same class as mm

[humble rose]

Do we cast a second garrote within the first 6 seconds of the opener? Like garrote>muti>rupture>garrote

[waxen oyster]

also like mm in pvp

[storm forum]

and the tiers where it isn't, it's on the same class as bm

[waxen oyster]

pop out of camo blow someones head off

in 3 seconds

[warm vortex]

Ngl I’m just build different

[waxen oyster]

the thing holding back bm

is the playerbase

[frosty cedar]

I made shoulders for my third craft

[waxen oyster]

its either a raid leader spec, hunter main who just wants to do the most dps

or uhh

how do i say the third nicely

[balmy condor]

check him raidbots.... is not normally.....

[frosty cedar]

[fallow canopy]

appreciate it I'm only 83 atm but I'll keep that in mind

[warm vortex]

Btw Whispyr

[frosty cedar]

a deep cook, but its working out for me

[warm vortex]

I found out new triggers for the profanity bot

[warm vortex]

Misread as a deep cock

[waxen oyster]

i mean any craft after 2

[warm vortex]

I need some sleep

[waxen oyster]

is optional

[waxen oyster]

its not pride month

[warm vortex]

Every month is pride month for me

[frosty cedar]

forgiven as it would be thematic

[waxen oyster]

i just call it companies trying to shill for money

then convienently put it away july 1st

[balmy condor]

no, you typo'd daggers and got hit with it

it's a very famous slur in fact

[warm vortex]

I’ve never heard somebody spell it that way tho

Wait

[balmy condor]

waiting

[waxen oyster]

theres a slur that looks like daggers?

[balmy condor]

what key is direclty next to the d key

[warm vortex]

BEO

BRO

[frosty cedar]

I mean it's close enough

[warm vortex]

NO WAY

[balmy condor]

are you an idiot

[waxen oyster]

oh did he say bundle of sticks

[frosty cedar]

Bro are u for real

[warm vortex]

Nono I said a Pokemon

[balmy condor]

bro had to double check just to be sure

[frosty cedar]

[storm forum]

LMAO

[warm vortex]

This one

Because it contains

Hold on

[frosty cedar]

WTF is that

[fallow canopy]

a slur apparently

[warm vortex]

Look at its name

[storm forum]

it's cofa||<redacted>||

[warm vortex]

It contains a naughty word

[frosty cedar]

4 hands can probably do some crazy shit

[warm vortex]

I tried it because I remember you couldn’t trade it

Because it had profanity in its name

[balmy condor]

4 hands for 4 big guys, name checks out I guess

he just like me fr

[warm vortex]

But yea

[warm vortex]

Did you think I just said it outright btw

lol

[balmy condor]

you should've seen the amount of typos we got during shadowlands with "flag"

was like 2-3 a day

[waxen oyster]

flag trinket

[storm forum]

flagellation feels like it should be automodded anyways

[warm vortex]

But yea

[main bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-25407464

[warm vortex]

Perfect reaction thing ngl

[haughty flicker]

filter evasion?

mods?

smite him>?

rip his balls off?

[warm vortex]

Evasion?!
This guy plays rogue

[waxen oyster]

macro evasion to something else to inflate your cast count

[warm vortex]

Remember to mash cloak on CD to increase your CPM

But yea
Idk
How big is vanish
Like is it just used w DM in combat

[spice spire]

Me when he swaps specs mid pull

[spice surge]

Ye i swap to assa right before 2 min to get my deathmarks in, then i swap back to sub at 3 min for Shadow blades

Its about optimizing your damage windows

[storm forum]

it's in an awkward spot cause we wanna sync it with DM, but we don't need it on pull, but yeah generally wanna use it right before DM

I like to use it with the 2nd gar in our opener

but you could probably just not press it for 2 minutes

[warm vortex]

What abt just not press it at all

Ik it’s not even that annoying

[storm forum]

or delay ur DM/KB slightly on certain fight timings

[warm vortex]

I just don’t like vanish

I remember being so happy I didn’t require stealth when I went off rogue to hunter

Ofc you don’t need stealth as much as you did in TWW

Which is when I swapped off

Also I have been looking at fire mage too

[storm forum]

we didnt take imp gar for one of our raid builds but i think whispyr fixed a bug or something and now we take it in everything?

[warm vortex]

Seems nutty ngl
Just punishing

[lucid rune]

foK or Ct in twin dragon adds?

[balmy condor]

CT

even if you only get like 2-3 ticks it's worth

[balmy condor]

yeh

[lucid rune]

CT? or envs too

is it still cringe?

[balmy condor]

yeah ofc envenom

finishers are good

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rukaateto-rukaateto00-kid-patrick-1VAhClIh0Tkz1XvLtF

me when assa buf

[severe meadow]

I th ink you're good king

gl on dargons

[icy acorn]

thats me when trying to cope assa instead of sub on paladin fight

[full aspen]

Hey guys I am trying to make a macro for my Deathmark upon clicking it and interwork my M+ Trinket Puzzle Box and my pot Light's potential i got it procing the puzzle box/pot but it isn't actuating my Deathmark move. Any pointer would be helpful. This is what i have so far.

#showtooltip Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
/use 13
/cast Deathmark

[coral ibex]

you cant macro puzzle box

[full aspen]

Oh

[balmy condor]

puzzle box is on gcd

and a cast time

[full aspen]

Could that be whats stopping my move from actuating?

[spice surge]

You cannot cast two spells that are on the global at the same time

Which puzzlebox is

[wicked scaffold]

puzzlebox feels pretty bad to use but it is what it is

[full aspen]

Thank yal for the assistance

[normal mist]

No problem

[little tulip]

best way to puzzle box is start it around 4 seconds before you think a pull is gonna happen or with full combo points

https://tenor.com/view/csgo-c4-csgoc4-bomb-counter-strike-gif-15745242

if you're mid pull 2 seconds before you start cd rotation

[keen spruce]

The best way to puzzle box is to throw it in the sea before you load into a dungeon or raid

[little tulip]

📦

[balmy condor]

prepull puzzle box

my eyes

[unique summit]

tooltip bug or?

[balmy condor]

no, that looks right

what's wrong about it?

[unique summit]

not 75%

[balmy condor]

[unique summit]

prayge

[balmy condor]

what

[keen spruce]

75% would be insane

[unique summit]

wet dreams

I mean on wowhead/link 18%

Is any tal here which buff value?

[unique summit]

❤️

[narrow berry]

how many times this can be stacked ?

[balmy condor]

can what be stacked

[unique summit]

:DDDDDDD

[keen spruce]

It’s not a stacky thing

[narrow berry]

oh ok

[keen spruce]

It’s flat

[balmy condor]

it says limit 1

on the damn thing

[keen spruce]

I’m think he meant the hero talent

[balmy condor]

oh

[keen spruce]

But since spatter is limit one

That’s also limit one

Unless scooting spatter around stacked it

[little tulip]

oh wait that's right gotta dot max

[acoustic birch]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[plain thistle]

we topping boys?

did a few tries with CT but add damage wasnt needed, changed to only caustic spatter and was better

[balmy condor]

assa good spec

turns out

[keen raven]

pog boys i was brought back in for myth vang kills

vault now 279

[keen raven]

st/big aoe feels good but low 2-3 target cleave still feels fucking awful

[past bobcat]

EVEN BETTER TOMORROW

ASSa TO THE MOON

[fiery elbow]

is this first point real at all? it doesnt sound that complicated when I tried, maybe i am doing something very wrong

[signal karma]

honestly kinda same

bleed, crimson tempest, envenom, track energy and stacks to 80?

[coral ibex]

comparatively

for example

sub just mashes shuriken storm and a coup+bp macro

no dots to maintain

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/bongosub-sub-rogue-world-of-warcraft-rogue-aoe-gif-27554873

[balmy condor]

compared to 90% of other specs in the game that are 2 buttons and a cooldown? definitely, yes

[fallen charm]

are there any easy ways to track the implacable buff besides the bugged blizzard cd manager?

[balmy condor]

no

[severe meadow]

yes but im gatekeeping it until the time is right

[vale shore]

just scan up into your buff row and look back and forth until you see the buff, which moves position with every cast.

I cannot even get my personal resource bar to appear.

[severe meadow]

or count to 5

[low hare]

this basically

[cunning needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ccGjar4Es

i love that this video is always relevant

[low hare]

also i think these buffs tom are gonna be amazing. id like if our raid cleave could have bene buffed just a bit more, but like this is pretty good. were already stomping in ST damage and M+.

[knotty vapor]

do I switch back from sub now

is it safe to come back

i have like zero crit but i got plume

so maybe

[knotty vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kat-kitty-kitten-evil-gif-10545349572153573100

[runic hinge]

No it’s outlaw time

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/beedrill-beedrillstadium-beedrillstringshot-beedrill-pokemon-beedrill-pokemon-stadium-gif-17581588661407275862

[knotty vapor]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDqtIu2bEAE1wFD.gif

[spice spire]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HAUeFtVbwAAsTbB.gif

[humble verge]

time for work

[tight ginkgo]

[spice spire]

I saw that

You sick fuck

[brazen falcon]

should you be spreading your bleeds then popping cds in keys or cds then spread?

[zinc frost]

CDs first

[polar sail]

How assa now after buff? Anyone test it

[sudden grotto]

I got used to raid rotation, where it’s apply bleeds then cds

[sudden grotto]

It’s not until reset

[grim jay]

Its between 1 and 5% stronger!

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-gif-25596232

[polar sail]

Some people in another server reset today

Not tom

[grim jay]

Ye but later

Not rn

[sudden grotto]

I guess “today” is subjectively depending where you live. I’m us, so it’s not till tomorrow for me.

[grim jay]

Exactly

[sudden grotto]

And I think it wouldn’t be for eu till the following day? I’m unsure though.

[grim jay]

Ye EU is in around 24h

[balmy condor]

US reset is in ~11 hours

It’s 11pm on Monday at blizzard HQ, resets happen Tuesday morning

[golden loom]

tomorrows vaults are gonna go crazy cant wait

[grim jay]

Cant wait to get a socket angle

[golden loom]

got vaults on 5 chars

[grim jay]

Me on 3

Or maybe 4

Idk about my monk

[static glacier]

Na cringes get vault early

[cunning needle]

hey @balmy condor

If I have garrote at 4 seconds and rupture on 17 seconds and it's 3T cleave (vanguard) what's the optimal play here?

Do I garrote -> rupture (wasting some pandemic) -> CT
or is it garrote -> CT -> other shit while waiting rupture to tick down -> rupture -> CT

[grim jay]

Beta testing the luck

[static glacier]

Is it an empowered garotte

Or standard

[cunning needle]

negative

just standard garrotte

[static glacier]

Specify both garottes states

[cunning needle]

they are all basic garrottes

[grim jay]

I wondered about that aswell actually. I just refreshed one at a time in their respective pandemic window and threw in a CT

[cunning needle]

and rupture if that matters

[cunning needle]

yeah i was doing the latter and it kinda felt like a waste

but then the former also feels like a waste

so idk

[static glacier]

I suspect it’s the first if we’re talking paladins - since they aren’t always stacked and you’d rather minimise CT casts even at the expense of pandemic, if they’re always stacked the second is better but if you go for that play and they destack you’re fucked

[balmy condor]

Current theory is the latter

[cunning needle]

it is paladins

[grim jay]

Dang I'm a natural

[static glacier]

Well, the textbook answer is the second, but consider when sen is charging off / auras coming so they get split

[cunning needle]

it definitely feels smoother to do the former

[static glacier]

And avoid the split being unbleeded

[grim jay]

The dps machinery doesnt endorse feelings!

[cunning needle]

playing just on vibes is so much chiller

but then when you do bad dps you lose vibes

[grim jay]

Tbf I dont feel a diff if I fok or ct

[static glacier]

I doubt there’s a noticeable difference ngl

But on paper second doesn’t waste pandemic so it should sim higher

[cunning needle]

yah makes sense

alas i am monkey and i forget to spread, and then lady runs away from me with 0 bleed

[grim jay]

It would probably be less of a thing if garrote would last longer

[strange onyx]

There is no vibes on paladins

[grim jay]

Since you dont really waste much to garrote

[cunning needle]

i've already taken the 6 second longer garrote

[strange onyx]

Only suffering

[grim jay]

Hate train is vibing, I really dislike that Boss

[cunning needle]

thank fuck at least the charge damage is now 100k and not 200k

[grim jay]

Nearly as much as the council of dreams

Which is my most hated one

[cunning needle]

absolute most dog shit boss (im told alleria is worse for melee)

[cunning needle]

[strange onyx]

When it spawns an avengers shield out of their knee cap, I smile 🙂

[fallow canopy]

Small amount of projectiles flying at your face

And an elephant

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/what's-up-sup-duck-quack-hey-gif-2657054459091102296

[cunning needle]

stupid ass ducks

[grim jay]

Jokes on you, its their knee cap

Not a shield

[grim jay]

It was funny for one kill, after that I benched myself on every rekill

I just couldnt take it

[cunning needle]

cleave fights are cringe

throwing mechanics in like that are even more cringe

[static glacier]

I remember people got super madge at being pacified for so long

[snow hamlet]

Discord seems to have reached its invitation limit; I can no longer invite my friends via links

[grim jay]

It also kinda sparked another war between people that wanted to parse and couldnt with the mechanic and those that were too bad so they pretended wanting to parse well is cringe + destroying the community

[snow hamlet]

can you guys do it?

[grim jay]

[static glacier]

It is cringe, idk about destroying the community though

I think parsing at the expense of playing the fight / increasing your teams success chance is super egotistical and cringe

But wanting to do good damage while playing the fight is correct

[grim jay]

Personally a parse is connected to the log and a good log consists of doing what you are supposed to mechanically, using your defensives and dealing damage (or healing)

So its a bundle

To have a parse thats actually good

And not just painted poop

[static glacier]

All ima say is our ele sham got r1 on first kill of bandit, he was just spam CLing the adds in p3 on it

That was cringe

I swear if we didn’t get the kill I woulda called him out

[grim jay]

We had people on vorassius with like 4m add damage after the first wave only, while adds were dying early

[static glacier]

It’s like your care about the coloured number is above caring that we secure the kill when it’s already super close

[grim jay]

[fallen charm]

how important is it to track and let the 80% energy regen buff fall off? like if I don't try at all to find the 80% buff among my infinite amount of other buffs, how much dps would I lose?

[static glacier]

Very minor, playing apex is like 1.5% or so

If it drops early it’s fine

Just don’t overcap energy / keep bleeds up and you can’t fail surely

[cunning needle]

me when i press fok 5 times and get 5 combo points

[static glacier]

I think if they had tuned energy much more strictly and we had to pool to get 8 stacks consistently maybe apex gameplay would be huge

[tight ginkgo]

i somehow manage to lose combo points when i press fok

[static glacier]

But as it is, we get too much energy for it to be crazy

[tight ginkgo]

[static glacier]

I always picture my rogue dancing

[cunning needle]

[strange onyx]

Me when I fok 3 times and is stuck on 4 cp

[cunning needle]

imagine if fok gave 0 cp baseline and you had to crit in order to get cp with it

[weak basalt]

Yo boys just saw rogue buffs, is assasin back on the table ?

[static glacier]

Depends what else is on your table, if it’s other rogue specs I’d say yeah it’s back on the table

[humble verge]

what buffs

the 4/4/3 we got last reset?

oh nvm

i see post from 3d ago now

[bronze plover]

hello what does this bug exactly do ?

[balmy condor]

it got fixed, I'm pushing an update to the guides

[bronze plover]

also i see some variant of talents in warcraftlogs that are different from wowhead ones are they gonna get updates or?

[balmy condor]

the builds should be accurate

do you have an example

[golden loom]

so the play for dragons is just full cleave fok envenom?

[balmy condor]

yes

[golden loom]

degen fight I swear

[balmy condor]

it's just 2 target

[golden loom]

we had like 30 min on it and I played sub and I've never felt more degen

trying to padd on adds

[balmy condor]

okay well no one told you to do that

[golden loom]

nah my plan was to play assa but we had so little time that I thought I might aswell be on the brain afk spec while learning the fight

so will play assa this week on it

[balmy condor]

as you should, god bless

[bronze plover]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmZMbGMAAAAAwsNYbGAAAAAQ2mZmZmZGjZmZmtZWmZmHAzYmZGzMzMGADsAzY0YWAsNgNDAmZGjB
like this build for first boss

[balmy condor]

yeah looks good to me

could take poison bomb out I guess if you wanted to

this is rank 1's build

pretty much identical except he moved a point from fatal conc into razor wire

[bronze plover]

i guess CT here for padding

[balmy condor]

if that's what you wanna call it I guess

you're definitely not spreading bleeds manually

and there's not really any good single target talents to take either

[brazen falcon]

first boss has meaningful adds that have to die

[balmy condor]

like you're giving up nothing, but doing more damage, and are able to contribute to adds

seems like a win to me

and 91% of people are taking CT, so idk

is the argument that I should go against the logs

and take CT out of the build?

[bronze plover]

so do u think is this build better than the guide one? but i guess mathematic isnt wrong

[balmy condor]

that build is the guide one

[brazen falcon]

only diff is fatal conc points

[balmy condor]

like it's basically identical

except it moves around some random slush points that aren't relevant

[brazen falcon]

2 points fatal conc or move around for doomblade/pbomb

[balmy condor]

like this is the core of any build where you're not doing full ST

you drop improved poisons and doomblade for caustic and CT

and you have 3 points

that you can put literally anywhere you want

you wanna take 2/2 fatal and poison bomb? great

you wanna take imp poison and doomblade again and take razor wire? perfect

you wanna take secondary poisoning? go for it

[bronze plover]

so is there any pure st fight at all?

[balmy condor]

you should probably play full ST on vorasius

[bronze plover]

or it depends on our choice

?

[balmy condor]

playing ST on crown of the cosmos is pretty good too

and realistically midnight falls you take caustic and nothing else

the rest you play CT+Caustic at minimum

[bronze plover]

so is one of these builds depends stat wise like if we have more haste go for specific points or sth like that?

[balmy condor]

no

you play this in single target, and if you need to cleave you drop imp poison/doomblade for ct/caustic

and that's really about it

[bronze plover]

nice to know thank u very much i guess we only drop ct and caustic for 2 fight only

[balmy condor]

and then there's like whatever points that don't matter

razor wire, fatal conc

kinda dogshit talents that you can replace with other equally dogshit talents

but like, as long as you have CT and Caustic, you have 95% of your aoe in raids covered

[bronze plover]

and about rotation if the IG bug fixed so we vanish for IG when the first one is fall off?

[balmy condor]

depends kinda on the timings of the fight, either you just slam it with deathmark anyway to keep it synced, or you extend once the first falls off and then just slam it on cd

the easier thing to do imo is just slam it with deathmark

the technically optimal way is to extend, so long as you won't lose a cast

because if you're just vanishing on your opener anyway, that's a half-wasted cast

it's a bit of a mess

[bronze plover]

so best optimal way is extention of the first one

[balmy condor]

as long as the fight allows for it, yes

[rain ruin]

Kinda cofused in m+ with puzzle box. do you use trinket out of stealth and then apply just one improved garrote or do you apply bleeds and then puzzle just before kingsbane and deathmark?

[balmy condor]

the latter

popping puzzle box out of stealth just wasted like half of its buff

cause you would use it and then spend the first 10 seconds standing there with your dick in your hand spreading bleed and getting cds up

[rain ruin]

never played DoT spec so the buff from puzzle box does apply to already active DoTs?

[balmy condor]

yes, stat buffs are dynamic

when you pop puzzle box, everything gets stronger

when it finishes its timer, everything gets weaker

[modern viper]

Do we ever press tea manually or just let it play?

[balmy condor]

you let it auto proc

[buoyant herald]

You just let it drip into your mouth passively

[jolly stirrup]

Yay liquid won again....

Pain and dispair

[rugged basalt]

I get to touch wow again YIPPEE

on vault day…my half stuffed vault…

[lapis lantern]

Mornin
Why do I need to cast envenom before deathmark in the ST opener? And why not in Aoe? Thanks guys n gals

[balmy condor]

in single target it's important you get the envenom buff and slice and dice up in order to make sure your kingsbane doesn't suck ass

[lapis lantern]

^^ ok 👌🏻

[balmy condor]

in aoe it's less important to do that and if you delay cds the pack is already dead

[lapis lantern]

Word

😄 thank you

[balmy condor]

np

[warm vortex]

Yo Whispy
I asked yesterday but I’m curious
How big is stealth for Assa atm

Only remember asking abt vanish

[balmy condor]

I mean

are we talking like zero stealth ever to every stealth ever?

[warm vortex]

Actually unsure
Cause now you bring it up it’s hard to think

It’s mainly vanish I’m thinking about acc

Cause I assume you want stealth each pull to spread imp gar

So moreso
How big is saving vanish for each DM window

Or how important I guess

Idk I’m slop brained rn

[balmy condor]

oh well, in raids you already kinda don't save vanish for dm

[warm vortex]

Oh really?

Would you use it on mechanics

To get uptime or smth

[balmy condor]

if it lines up better that way, yes

but like with razor wire, imp garrote lasts nearly 40 seconds

and deathmark is 16

[warm vortex]

What

Excuse me

FOURTY?!

[balmy condor]

so you're not really required to like sit there and sync them

yeah like you apply a 24s garrote, you wait 5 seconds and refresh for pandemic

so you get another 24+7.2 seconds

I guess it's 36 seconds in total

but like close enough whatever

[warm vortex]

Zamn
That’s

Ok now I’m even more tempted to try assassination

[balmy condor]

I mean improved garrote itself is kinda meh

with tier it's like a decent enough talent

[warm vortex]

Oh yea but idk
Hearing 36 second imp gar is ough

[balmy condor]

but it's gotta get propped up by the tier to be "good" or whatever

[warm vortex]

Oh is Assa tier like good
As in
3% or so

Cause tier this tier is kinda doo doo

[balmy condor]

3%/3%

[warm vortex]

So 3% would be huge

Ayo

[balmy condor]

always is in season 1

[warm vortex]

Mine on sv is like 1.6% going from 0pc to 4pc for raid KEK

[warm vortex]

True true

[balmy condor]

yeh assa is 6% going from 0 to 4

[warm vortex]

Yuge

[warm vortex]

Which btw
I simmed a buncha things
And I’m p sure I found out that

And this is ofc a huge approximate

Going from 0pc to 4pc is like
Less impactful than race changing from undead to mechagnome

Cause racism shows that being like
A 2.1% gain or smth

Which ik it’s meaningless information

That has like 0 value

But I just found it funny

[balmy condor]

yeh seems reasonable

undead is kinda awful

[warm vortex]

Yea
But it’s a mix of tier being bad and bad race

I thought mag har was p good but mecha is still like a 1.1% increase

[balmy condor]

anyways, not pressing your stealth button or vanishing ever

is like 5%

[grim jay]

What

[warm vortex]

Oh
Ok yea that’s good to hear

[warm vortex]

Yea

Mechagnome has stacking primary stat and undead is doo doo dogwater

[frosty cedar]

Become a mechagnome like backshotbot

[grim jay]

Racism has nothing to do with math

[frosty cedar]

I can never go back

[grim jay]

[supple spindle]

dracthyr for life

just to ignore pushbacks

[warm vortex]

Like a big problem in TWW, and idk if this was a noob problem or something, but stealth felt huge for M+

[frosty cedar]

The only downside to being a mechagnome is that you sometimes swim in some small bodies of water which other races run in, which slows you down LOL

[warm vortex]

OH

Racesim

Not racism

I might have fumbled my words

[frosty cedar]

a second word fumble has hit the server

[grim jay]

You wont get out of that one

[warm vortex]

I mean with how much moroes has been telling me off it makes sense

[balmy condor]

it wasn't

[frosty cedar]

How did the raid go Whispyr did you get dragons?

[balmy condor]

we did yeh

was incredibly painful but it happened

I lost to you because I played very ethical

[frosty cedar]

that fight kinda sucks but at least you can cleave

[warm vortex]

Ye that’s what I was assuming

[warm vortex]

I mean