assassination

[waxen oyster]

cant you just item restore

I still have bfa trinkets

in my bank

[jolly stirrup]

didn't think mich of it and I hate a cluddered bag

[waxen oyster]

I also have 3 arcanocrystals in my bank from legion

[rugged basalt]

What am I smoking the renown trinket sims better at least on dungeon slice

[waxen oyster]

I used to go into random class discords

and ask if these things are good

[rugged basalt]

I guess I’m swapping back later

[golden loom]

Renown trinket is very good

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rugged basalt]

I banked older season stuff lol, I liked the aesthetic of tww s1

[waxen oyster]

that thing procs like

all the time

[golden loom]

Only hero track trinkets that were better for me was plume and gaze

[rugged basalt]

I probably only drop that for gaze then

[waxen oyster]

same

[rugged basalt]

Plume who knows if I’ll ever see it lowk

[golden loom]

And I got a hero plume so we vibe

[waxen oyster]

we got the tank trinket

aka useless

[golden loom]

We had 2x plume on both norm and hc kill

[rugged basalt]

We have achieved agility

[waxen oyster]

we havent seen a gaze

since week 1

[rugged basalt]

I haven’t successfully rolled one at any point

[waxen oyster]

what are these rolls

you speak of

[rugged basalt]

I can’t speak I’ve had really good luck otherwise

[waxen oyster]

we dont pug so

its just tell lc bis

on every item

clearly

[rugged basalt]

I pugged this week

Bc they raid on Saturdays

[waxen oyster]

oh i tried to pug cosmos norm

tanks didnt move simul off

10/10

[rugged basalt]

Normals was fine for me, hc was a nightmare

[sand elm]

crown normal can be hit or miss
either u have perfect tanks that do it flawlessly, or 2 tanks that eat crayons

[primal parrot]

i pugged hc dreamrift and the tanks stacked the adds on boss

[radiant raven]

Pug tanks love doing this

[rugged basalt]

I’m never touching normal again after the initial clear though ngl

[sick garnet]

Does anyone know how to track more than 2 debuffs on enemies in platynator?
My profile tracks only garotte and rupture but i want to track caustic spatter too

[velvet hornet]

not sure if there is a way to track it, but as its anyway applied with envenom (wich is pressed a lot) its not really necessary to track it

but i do get wanting to see if it works/seeing where my dmg comes from

[golden loom]

yeah you cant really change the debuffs that are tracked on nameplates anymore, but as stated you will have caustic spatter on your target regardless cause you are envenoming it

[boreal lichen]

does kingsbane always do aoe dmg or do i need to envenom the target first i know envonem buffs the dmg

[balmy condor]

kingsbane applies caustic spatter

so no envenom needed for it to aoe

[runic hinge]

Damn I was really expecting the 5% on spatter

[static glacier]

I wasn’t expecting this but I’d love it - extra range on spatter

[runic hinge]

30 yard range

[static glacier]

I’d just settle for being able to aoe

Vs spatter hitting nothing

[flat kindle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[humble verge]

lmao

so method is running rogue, but its not even kush playing

[golden loom]

oh shit he is playing havoc though

lock in #fuckdevourer

[humble verge]

only reason i watch method is cause my GM is casting

[warm willow]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-banging-shield-rahhh-thiccatina-gif-2077174781171827192

me when ass buffs

[true tusk]

hey guys! how is more accurate for sim damage on aoe/m+?

[analog field]

dungeon slice

[celest crescent]

dslice is fine for rogue

[true tusk]

i see that "6 minute slice of an M+ dungeon. Overrides Fight Length. Check with your class Discord to see if appropriate for your spec."

[true tusk]

ok so, for sin rogue its accurate right?

[celest crescent]

yea

[copper mural]

any calculation asbout new upcoming assa buffs

?

[true tusk]

ty mates!!

[true tusk]

sin rogue with a new buff? where?

[shut sand]

When would they get a buff?

[balmy condor]

pins

[balmy condor]

pins

[celest crescent]

sims should be updated on latest, also, pins

[balmy condor]

sims are not updated

it's tuning for tuesday

[celest crescent]

oh okay

[true tusk]

pins? im a little bit lost, maybe im not understanding the term on english

can i see some notes?

[true tusk]

oh, thanks!!!

[copper mural]

@balmy condor ❤️

[zinc frost]

Sin kinda cranks a bit in keys, crazy to think its getting better.

[true tusk]

yooooooooooooo finally, its not like best buff but its good

[true tusk]

ty mate!

[balmy condor]

Bro doesn’t know that Assa is probably better than sub in keys

[copper mural]

@balmy condor seems like sub still better pick on raids via damage output but big m+ keys i think assa is better now ?

i realy dont like to play sub on keys. its like full pad damage. Assas prio target cleave more usefull imo

[true tusk]

in high keys on pulls are long fights, yes

[balmy condor]

sub just bursts faster and harder and that's about it

it's all pad, and it's not even that much more overall tbh

people just doing their weekly +10's as assa and having shit explode before cds are done and bleeds are spread

and then dooming that assa sucks in keys now

[molten patio]

Sub for raids still? 1% st not really convincing

[runic hinge]

sub can kill adds assa is still the best boss damage spec in the game

[prime pagoda]

Is ssin ora sub better in terms of ST boss damage in m+ talents setup?

[runic hinge]

depends on if you get cds in execute as sin

[proven carbon]

do we have to pool as assa still? i haven't played it since DF i scrolled down on the wowhead page LOL

or is it better to just send envenoms

[strong wing]

Assa from 15s how much better should it be more or less?

[balmy condor]

how much better than what

[winged quail]

Don't suppose the garrote buff pushes shrouded?

I love my extra combo points

[balmy condor]

very slightly I guess

[rugged basalt]

How finicky would DS be if I’m horrid at playing DS, before they add the mark moving thing to live

[wispy apex]

!tea

[balmy condor]

just by fight design less finnicky than before, but if you do need to move the mark somehow good fucking luck

[wispy apex]

Hello, is there any optimization around thistle tea? Or just ignore it.

[rugged basalt]

At what key level is it even considered to be used over FB? I’m not fully versed in the nuance of where it’s better to use it for prio

[balmy condor]

the optimization is letting is autoproc

[balmy condor]

whenever you need the prio I guess, 18's don't seem high enough atm

maybe 20's?

[rugged basalt]

It gets ticklish when tea procs near the implacable window imo so I delay the latter by just spamming env

Okay that translates to I won’t use it this season LMAO thank you

[balmy condor]

np

[normal mist]

Ignore

[strong wing]

Than sub

[pine flare]

Stupid question but at 2 targets, FoK over mutilate?

[runic hinge]

yes unless you have blindside talented and then its 3

[pine flare]

Thx

[runic hinge]

np bby

[balmy condor]

I mean that's hard to quantify, once you get prio targets assa is just going to be saving time

the overalls are similar but depend on the group and the dungeon and all that

[strong wing]

In sott after the tentacless boss i was struggling with sub with perma 3/4 target pulls so I was thinking about trying assa

[balmy condor]

assa is a bit better in that range yeah

couple %

[north kestrel]

I’m about to start progging mythic dragons. Do you think splatter buff is enough to convince my RL assa is decent on the fight? Or am I stuck on sub for the tier?

[vale marten]

if you have people who nuke the adds, assa is very good since more boss damage

if you need add damage, sub is the play

[north kestrel]

Okay it’s likely sub then

[strong wing]

Crazy that you are allowed to go in M dragons

[balmy condor]

I was top boss damage all night on dragons prog

[strong wing]

Im just warming up the bench for the guys

[balmy condor]

spec is good

[shell plaza]

how much is this buff in single target tho?

[north kestrel]

Now this is the shit I wanna hear to be free from sub prison

[balmy condor]

pins, 1%

[north kestrel]

I’ve had to gear an arms warrior so I don’t get benched on paladins tbf

[strong wing]

But still underperforming compared to other classes

[strong wing]

Yeah paladins was another bench for me

[balmy condor]

...what

[strong wing]

we will see in alleria

[shell plaza]

how can being top be an underperformance, im confused

[balmy condor]

I was top boss damage
still underperforming

how much higher can I go

[shell plaza]

10% more

[runic hinge]

we're all the way at the top, but only half way to the peak

[shell plaza]

[north kestrel]

May the inference was top boss damage but low add damage so overall not as good as other classes? Idk.

[balmy condor]

I have a surv hunter, warrior, and two warlocks in my guild

they're already cannibalizing the aoe from each other

[shell plaza]

we have more than enough addd dps in ours too, cant even get to see the adds most of the time

3 hunters also

[warm vortex]

Did he steal your daggers too

[north kestrel]

On paper we should have add damage but alas I have had to do adds as sub on every other boss with add damage so likely will need to here. I’ll find out on Monday

[balmy condor]

none dropped

[hard mason]

Im the only rogue in guild. But daggers only ever dropped when I'm on my split char. (A dk)

[strange onyx]

You want the most hidden jutsu for that fight?

[devout steppe]

any tips on how to track the implacable debuff without it bugging out ?

[eager gale]

Is it fine to apply a 4cp rupture on an add that will die decently fast during a boss fight ?

[balmy condor]

no

[strange onyx]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YV3fa7yxptdrQHhg?fight=34&type=damage-done&target=225 IF your boss dmg is fine (it should be) you can send your DM and KB on the add in the intermission as that needs to die ASAP

You just became the most important man in your raid

[balmy condor]

okay but sub bar longer on this statistics chart?

[subtle tundra]

hey

nvm

i hate myself

[strange onyx]

hush hush

[strange onyx]

sorry to hear that, hope you get better

[sharp viper]

we didnt make the dmg check on vorasius on wednesday, the upcoming bosses are going to be fun

[strange onyx]

Yikes

[frosty cedar]

[waxen pagoda]

Considering I will not be able to farm mythic crests and that both my weapons are 246, is it really a bad idea using my hero crests to craft my dagger?

[drifting cloud]

theres mythic crests in delves

[waxen pagoda]

20 per week

I mean...a month without having a good dagger...

[somber barn]

Hi i am new to assa rogue and I want to seriously improve. My friend told me i should ask here and maybe I might find someone who could review my logs and tell me what I should focus on?

[wintry vapor]

If you can defeat the easier version of Nullaeus you get... I think it's 20 or 30 myth crests

[strange onyx]

there are some brainers in here

[wintry vapor]

Or wait, let me double check if that even applies to the normal version

[somber barn]

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YN1BmZ8t6wbGyKdk?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=926&view=timeline these are my logs from my heroic tries so far. 🙂

[waxen pagoda]

I think thats the reward for the ??? dificulty

[wintry vapor]

Ah, no, sorry, myth apparently only drops from ??

[strange onyx]

Envenom b4 Kingsbane

[wintry vapor]

The cracked keystone you get from a tier 11 delve apparently rewards 20 myth

On quest completion

[waxen pagoda]

hmmm ok I will try to ask for help so I could try to farm the rest of the myth crests with mythic+

[drifting cloud]

if you do one +2 and beat ?? you can have 80 next reset

[wintry vapor]

I've no idea how ?? Nullaeus is in multiplayer, but perhaps friends can help you out?

[waxen pagoda]

I guess this means using hero crests is not a good idea for weapon

[warm vortex]

Is this how you look irl

[drifting cloud]

I mean you do you, but youre just effectively deleting 80 crests, why dont you have a 259 crafted by now?

[somber barn]

thx

[warm vortex]

Yea

[drifting cloud]

259 doesnt cost crests

[warm vortex]

Just use mythic crests

[waxen pagoda]

because I thought it was a better idea to farm 80 hero crests and craft it at more ilvl

[harsh ravine]

do you think assa is now the best m+ rogue spec ? 😏

[balmy condor]

[warm vortex]

If you really wanna craft a weapon, craft it with just spark then recraft later with mythic

[waxen pagoda]

🫡

[warm vortex]

Cause in that way you’ve used like
More crests than you would have if you just made at mythic

[waxen pagoda]

got it

thanks everyone :_)

[wintry vapor]

I sadly also made the mistake of crafting my first pieces with HC crests because I expected it to take longer to get those 160 myth dawncrests, don't be me

[warm vortex]

160?

[waxen pagoda]

Assasination Tauren Rogues think different :_

[strange onyx]

Dont shiv, dont use throw

[warm vortex]

Wouldn’t you just need 80

[wintry vapor]

80 for the bracers, 80 for the weapon

[warm vortex]

Wait
So are you saying you made 2 heroic crest crafts

[wintry vapor]

Indeed.

[warm vortex]

Fucking rip

[wintry vapor]

'twas quite foolish of me x)

[frosty cedar]

Firstly, on this fight in HC, you are better off just talenting full single target. Don't bother going any cleave talents in HC

[wintry vapor]

It's okay

[warm vortex]

I’d be malding outta my mind

[fervent marsh]

Hey all, assa rogue S tier from next week?

[warm vortex]

No

[wintry vapor]

I'm just happy about getting buffs

[frosty cedar]

You completely wasted your second kingsbane on an orb, you should be using it on the boss

[strange onyx]

put big dagger in main hand @somber barn

[frosty cedar]

In your second deathmark, for some reason, you cast only two envenom, this is your big damage moment so you want to be hitting the boss a lot

Yes also I didn't notice that, definitely bigger ilvl dagger in mainhand

You also have a damage on use trinket and I can't see you using it even once

I think all of those are the main issues 👍

[somber barn]

thank you very much for your feedback guys.

[wintry vapor]

Remember that you can macro your trinket to your deathmark

[balmy nebula]

hi everyone. i'm sorry if someone asked this before but i didnt' understand our 2 set bonus. it says " Garrote's damage is increased by 30% and it also applies your weapon poisons". i mean what is applyin to my poison? damage increase or garrote im confused i didnt understand the benefit?

[wintry vapor]

Garrote makes your poisons apply to the mob

[frosty cedar]

For this trinket, it's the one that lowers it's CD on crits, so I would just recommend @somber barn binds it somewhere he can see so that he can just press it when it is up

[wintry vapor]

Ah, one of those

Then that may not be the best idea, yeah

[frosty cedar]

Garrote does more damage. When you manually cast garrote on a target, it applies your weapon poisons guaranteed

That's what the tier set does ultimately

[jolly stirrup]

Just Makro it to Mutilate

[frosty cedar]

But you don't need to worry about the second part at all

[sharp viper]

at some point we will need a list of changes to caustic spatter like shadow priests have for psychic link scrolling by the screen star wars opening style

[wintry vapor]

[jolly stirrup]

[wintry vapor]

That sounds hilarious, yet accurate

[balmy nebula]

ty for explaining the 2 set bonus now i understand ❤️

[wicked scaffold]

!bugs

[sharp viper]

All of em

[royal hazel]

BUFFFFFFFS

[shut sand]

the 2pc set bonus kinda busted

[analog hedge]

no way

NO WAY

we getting buffss?????

[shut sand]

yes

quesiton is

will sub still be a lot better in m+?

[analog field]

was it ever a lot better?

[foggy moat]

Ive seen a single assa this entire tier, and it was me.

[crisp pine]

I feel like Sin is very good in M+ iunno

[calm grail]

I hope Sub gets dusted in keys. I've been playing Sub, but I'd like to go Sin.

[analog field]

Sin was better already in higher keys imo

[cunning needle]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[analog field]

but it is close

not it should pull ahead

[marble wadi]

does loggerhead sometimes tweak out for you guys and just doesnt log at all

[strange onyx]

wtf is loggerhead

[crisp pine]

activates combat log automatically

I think

[marble wadi]

ye its an addon

[strange onyx]

think u bois are wrong on this one

thats a turtle

[runic hinge]

I just use the warcraft logs app, seems easier no?

[crisp pine]

calling the turtle loggerhead feels incredibly rude ngl

the head isn't even that big???

I'm making a change.org

[rugged basalt]

I use MRT

In case I forget to have archon open, it works out as a backup

But it also does a lot more and logging is like a super optional feature lol

[crisp pine]

I think the last time I actively logged something was during legion

it's a peaceful life

[rugged basalt]

It’s doing the same thing as loggerhead does

[cold marten]

Archon app is only worth if u play fellowship or something imo worse exp using it over WCL

[candid jasper]

How are you handling keys when the tank keeps pulling new packs without a stealth break

I find my damage drops off completely

I also haven't had tier set until this weekend so excited to try

[runic hinge]

imp garrote isnt that much of your damage so stealth shouldnt matter all that much

[rugged basalt]

I’ll probs switch to wcl but I don’t see the difference as I’m just using it to live track

[candid jasper]

Great

[cold marten]

Cry

Or play elf for meld or something

[rugged basalt]

I use my vanish in such pulls occasionally

[cold marten]

^

[rugged basalt]

Not like I need it anywhere

[cold marten]

Only use case in m+ amen

[rugged basalt]

I don’t hard rely on it though I just thug it out

[elder agate]

btw i crimson tempest before enter on dm or after

so i can generate and spread same time

[ocean ore]

those buffs should make assassin competitive for m+?

equal or above sub

[elder agate]

i think above

was playing sub before

assa have some strong scenarios on high keys

like funnel

[ocean ore]

pogchamps!

[solar wyvern]

Youll probably just play both depending on key

[elder agate]

i tried a skyreach, was a low one, assa seems strange on that one

[solar wyvern]

Skyreach and seat are sub keys

[elder agate]

ye, no way to go assa on that 2

xD

[solar wyvern]

Maybe magisters idk yet

[ocean ore]

why?

[elder agate]

i think need fast explosive dmg

not so much biggs on sky

[solar wyvern]

Lots of awkward target counts and scary bosses in those keys, sub boss dam still reigns supreme. Also seat last boss is a 1:30 cadence

[ocean ore]

got it!

they should give us back DM 1:30 back...

[solar wyvern]

Maybe in seat u go assa -> port out after second boss during long gather

Naybe

Or third boss during rp

[robust dune]

Is working the apex talent track?

[fresh kelp]

the rp before last guy is so long

surely you have time to swap

[solar wyvern]

Ye thats a freebie

But idk, saprish is still the hardest boss and assa is much better at 3 target

[ocean ore]

i hate 2-3 targets as sub jesus

[solar wyvern]

Its like sub is turbo in first area and boss, assa turbo in 2nd area and boss, assa turbo on 3rd area, sub turbo on 3rd boss, sub 4th boss

[warm vortex]

What is the hardest boss this season in your opinion, for keys

Or, maybe a selection

also
SV fucking shits on Saprish, annihilates him

Goated with the sauce on 3 targets

[ocean ore]

but as ass has a higher ST than sub, i think that compensate the 0:30 sec cd dif

[solar wyvern]

Saprish, 3rd triumverate, skyreach 3rd and 4th, corewrite can be fucky, ick n krick, 3rd boss windrunner probably

[solar wyvern]

Nah sub is 20k higher st in keys

Until funnel

Honestly maybe all 4 seat bosses idk

Healer check 900000

Ig first boss u can cheese with rop

If brew remains good

[warm vortex]

i've only timed a 15 spire, caverns, seat, and pit, with almost timing a 15 sky
for me it's
Emberdawn , L'ura, Vordaza and Viryx

being noticable pain points in terms of bosses

[solar wyvern]

I think vordaza is chill now

Its just feint pops big dr intermissions

[warm vortex]

Oh did she get nerfs?

[solar wyvern]

No more dot on pops ue

[warm vortex]

Also i'm looking at this from the Pov of a sv

oh fair, i've only done it with that

As in, before the nerf

I feel like crawth can also be a bit of a ballache sometimes

[crisp pine]

Crawth is the easiest boss with an actual group and the hardest boss in pugs in my experience

[warm vortex]

Still can be easy to fuck up

[crisp pine]

you gotta know how to handle balls correctly yea

[warm vortex]

Oh no that

*not

just the shit everywhere

with it sometimes being hidden under the huge bird

[crisp pine]

fondling balls

[warm vortex]

Btw @solar wyvern How's the score looking atm

[wispy apex]

Is implaceable not tracking correctly? It stops showing stacks after the buff falls off.

[severe meadow]

Correct, it's bugged atm

[kindred flare]

Basic blizz buff tracker doesn’t work for it

[plush gorge]

for the aoe opener is it a dps gain to spread CT first adn then envenom before going into DM + KB? It's slower so assuming that the pull lives to the end of cds ofc

[severe meadow]

I'll do a CT or two while tank is gathering on big pulls

and then rip cds

[elder agate]

i see like, garrote rupture, puzzle box > ds + kingsbaine > expend evenon if not yet, and use ct for spread + cp gained

[ancient ingot]

guys can i ask how we manage energy in st mostly? cant understand apex

[analog field]

better is gar fok rup gar CT env

and now cds

[strange onyx]

try to get it to 80

when at 80 drop it if u wont overcap on energy

[ancient ingot]

but what 80

[jolly stirrup]

Stacks

[strange onyx]

80 stacks of implacable

[jolly stirrup]

It's 20, 35, 50, 65, 80

[ancient ingot]

idk how its looking on my cdm

[strange onyx]

Every envenom you get stacks. First envenom is 20, then 15 every time after that

[jolly stirrup]

That's the neat part, it's bugged with cdm

[frosty cedar]

its bugged on the CDM. it only works sometimes

[jolly stirrup]

You need to check your buffs in top right

You'll get used to it

[wild pilot]

You Need to put it in buff Aura

Was my fault too

[ancient ingot]

is it?

[jolly stirrup]

Yes

[wild pilot]

Mostly the Hero buffs Are Not showing up

[ancient ingot]

and when 80 what should i do, wait when they off and mt envenom spam again?

[wild pilot]

You Need to put it by uurselfe in buff Aura

[jolly stirrup]

When you are at 80, and you see that you won't overcap energy, you let the envenom buff drop, and then Envenom again. while it drops you can already prepare a new envenom

[wild pilot]

Rly at First it wasnt Even in my buff Aura than i put it in now it world Fine

[ancient ingot]

i should drop only on 80?

[raven phoenix]

They were so fast to fix the imp gar snapshotting. Why can't they fix the CDM

[jolly stirrup]

Well, that's the ideal scenario, but it doesn't hurt when it drops at 65 or 50

[wild pilot]

Can you Show the important thing in buff Aura maybe and send a screen?

[jolly stirrup]

Bro I am not even home

[wild pilot]

Oh ok haha

[jolly stirrup]

[strange onyx]

I can do it after this slay the spire

[night iris]

Is wowhead the most up to date?

Or somewhere else

[jolly stirrup]

Yes

[wild pilot]

Working? 😅

[jolly stirrup]

Done, omw home

Thank fuck, today was horrible

[wild pilot]

Nice haha

I have free time 3 weeks

[jolly stirrup]

King (or queen)

[strange onyx]

Loa!

[jolly stirrup]

Loa!

Noted

Also Hej

[ancient ingot]

ig guys i found problem why its not showing sometimes , when u drop ur stacs cdm showing ur buff when u get regen energy regeneration, if u use envenom with this buff cdm still showing u regeneration buff, not stuck

[wild pilot]

If you have time later maybe you can send a screen for important buff Aura Makes it loot easy for much people i think

[ancient ingot]

so u should wait when buff energy off and envenom again

[night iris]

Its a bug

[jolly stirrup]

Loa does later

[ancient ingot]

ye but im saying how is he working

and why

[jolly stirrup]

Thats the thing we are talking about. Its bugged, has been since we were able to track it

[wild pilot]

Loa ?

[ancient ingot]

well but anyway, cant understand still, when i start getting stacks i just spam envenom or hit him on last second?

[severe meadow]

You stack it up to 80

[jolly stirrup]

Skoop, sorry

[severe meadow]

After 5 envenoms it gets to 80

You let that fall off to get your energy regen

Repeat

[jolly stirrup]

What Jay says (I didn't think I explained it so unclear)

[wild pilot]

😂 love This dc haha

[orchid grotto]

hello guys, somebody can tell me what simulation option i must use to sim on raidbot ?

[strange onyx]

top gear

if u want your dmg

[orchid grotto]

yy but, on patchwerk 1 target ?

[severe meadow]

Skoopington..

[orchid grotto]

5 target ?

[severe meadow]

Patchwerk 5 min

[strange onyx]

droptimizer if u want to know what gear to get

[warm vortex]

Skoop

what is your fav scoop of ice cream

[orchid grotto]

patchwerk 1 target 5min ?

[severe meadow]

Yes

[orchid grotto]

ty guys

[strange onyx]

I once had carrot ice cream, I often think about that

[strange onyx]

I am just gonna for speed replies on my 2nd monitor

[runic hinge]

cant beleive you put me in c tier

[strange onyx]

I was drunk

but i stand by my decision

[severe meadow]

wtf where’s the tier list

[wild pilot]

I dont know if you See it but can you send a screen for the Important buffs in cdm ?

[strange onyx]

I am in a slay the spire run, said I would do it after

Read wowhead guide while you wait for me or watch Shindoug guide

[wild pilot]

Was just Asking because i dont know if you was looking always in Chat

[strange onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5YsyRXp_aM

[strange onyx]

This is my job. It is all I do

[wild pilot]

Kk

[scarlet spade]

Why is it recommended to cast garrote while improved garrote is up to extend its duration? Doesn’t the non-improved garrote overwrite the improved garrote?

[runic hinge]

imp garrote lasts 6 seconds

so you can exetend the imp garrote

[elder agate]

lol

[runic hinge]

this mf put a hunter in a tier

[drifting cloud]

[scarlet spade]

Ok so cast garrote again before the 6s buff is gone to extend it by another 18s

[runic hinge]

it wont be a full 18 but yes

[scarlet spade]

Ty

[warm vortex]

???

[runic hinge]

YEAH

you know who you are

A HUNTER PLAYER

and now

a dagger stealing hunter player

!!!

worse

[jolly stirrup]

What do i have to do to get on there

Even if it's just a new tier below everything

[strange onyx]

tried avoiding people on there who i dont know

dont wanna hurt feelings

[solar wyvern]

Like 3500 or smthn, i havent been pushing too hard since raid takes my free time rn

[jolly stirrup]

Fair

[solar wyvern]

Bingus mia gg

[strange onyx]

whomst

[solar wyvern]

@fresh kelp objective tierlist thoughts??

[storm forum]

damn i gotta shitpost more

[rose narwhal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[storm forum]

gotta get on the tierlist

[frosty cedar]

real

[sudden brook]

Yooo Im s tier

[storm forum]

my break as a priest did irrepairable damage to my vibe contributions

[runic hinge]

s tier is like 75% mods man is just sucking up to not get muted again

[strange onyx]

Nah, S rank is for the adults who actually know stuff

[runic hinge]

sure sure

[strange onyx]

bro who comes in here to as Tonynugz anything useful?

[storm forum]

this is a "how fun is it to rage bait them" tierlist

[drifting cloud]

Demote stealthi

[fresh kelp]

Goated S tier

[runic hinge]

you put yourself in s tier lmfaoooo

[frosty cedar]

im unragebaitable

[strange onyx]

Ofc, I am S tier

[solar wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-card-nop-no-gif-16105887446508714626

[strange onyx]

S tier for Skoop

[solar wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ai-pufferfish-cat-puffer-fish-ai-pufferfish-cat-ai-ai-gif-3219711934296360561

[coral ibex]

that tier list is just european nonsense glazing the mods

smh

[runic hinge]

so true

[half egret]

worth crafting a 285 ring if I already have dagger + wrists and i've been getting shit on with ring drops?

[strange onyx]

ye

[jolly stirrup]

saved

[west crown]

Are we playing Momentum of Despair or FtB for assa deathstalker in keys?

[wild pilot]

🫶

[strange onyx]

I would be against you playing DS

[solar wyvern]

I find a reason to use this gif at all times

[solar wyvern]

Ftb

[frosty cedar]

I think FTB is marginally ahead

[wild pilot]

What Kingsbane Icon is that there Are 2

[jolly stirrup]

@wild pilot

ah fuck Skoop posted

[strange onyx]

I track the ability for my ui and the buff

probably no need for the buff

but i dont notice it and it reminds me of my old WAs

[wild pilot]

I mean only on the sec picture you have one kingsbane on Tracked buffs and one kingsbane on Not displayed with is the one you tracked

[strange onyx]

I'll check. You have spend more time thinking about my UI than I have xd

[wild pilot]

Hahahaha

[strange onyx]

The one I am tracking does nothing

[wild pilot]

Just want to learn Tests why im asking so much xd

[strange onyx]

yeye thats all good my g

[wild pilot]

So i Track the other one that is counting the kingsbane stacks

[strange onyx]

tbh dont track either

no point

[wild pilot]

Ok

[strange onyx]

i removed both of mine now

[wild pilot]

Ok thx man

[balmy path]

Is there any way to track how many adds have bleeding and how many are missing, without weak auras? Or have weak auras returned?

[jolly stirrup]

you can track scent of blood

but thats it

[fading belfry]

Hey guys what do you think about the inc buff

[strange onyx]

thumbs up

[jolly stirrup]

👍

[wary glacier]

haven't played sin since bfa i am very confused

[balmy path]

I didn't quite understand what that would be? my emglish is not that good

[wary glacier]

are you just putting garotte and rupture on 1 target and spamming crimson tempest?

[strange onyx]

ye

[jolly stirrup]

pretty much

[spice surge]

Yes, theres no reason to do traditional multidotting

[runic hinge]

thats probably why varas is so angry

[wary glacier]

what buffs are you guys tracking?

[jolly stirrup]

I have a weird deja vu

[wary glacier]

sorry i am an unc playing rogue since wotlk and everything has changed since being on and off lol

[jolly stirrup]

nah its all good, just me and skoop just posted what we track around 5 minutes ago if you scroll up :D

[wary glacier]

on it ty

lol i see sorry ty

[jolly stirrup]

np

[jovial inlet]

Is there anything more frustrating then having to press Mutilate 3 times before you can press your finisher?

[jolly stirrup]

pressing fok 5 times befroe being able to use one

[severe meadow]

Putting yourself at the top of S tier is a powerplay

[sullen bramble]

think im using the M+ fatebound spec off wowhead at the minute- is only 1 point in scent of blood right?

[jolly stirrup]

ye

[balmy path]

ty

[jovial inlet]

Fuuuuuuck sooo true!

[strange onyx]

thats the power of making a tier list

[jolly stirrup]

In german we have a saying thats not so nice

"Eigenlob stinkt"

Which basically means, saying good stuff about yourself makes you a smelly fella

[strange onyx]

theres probably something in that

with the sole exception of Skoop of course

[jolly stirrup]

of course

[ancient ingot]

guys i swap from sum and i have 700 haste now, is it ok for sin or should be lower ?

[jolly stirrup]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[strong mural]

https://tenor.com/view/tots-toti-dexter-failed-failed-you-gif-2295317220521973560

[frigid juniper]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use 13

[cosmic robin]

does not work with puzzlebox though

[elder agate]

btw we use dungeon sim ? its supported?

[normal mist]

YES

[kind talon]

Why am I in b tier

[pastel pollen]

Is assa better then sub now in terms of raid or? 🙂

[safe barn]

guys, need some quick help, if im at 80 stacks of apex, i should hold envenom until the buff drops?

is that it?

[sullen bramble]

if you need the energy

if not, keep going until you do then let it drop

[devout steppe]

did anyone make an addon to track implacable yet

[earnest imp]

!prekey

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[lime edge]

Why is iron wire bad now

Does it not work with CT spread

[spice surge]

It does indeed not work with CT spread

[lime edge]

Dam

Thats some ass

[real pike]

Aoe buffs don't hit till reset right

[coral ibex]

ye

[storm forum]

Yeah

[runic hinge]

Ain’t gonna stop me tho

[analog swan]

What decides if Memory game on lura goes clockwise or counterclockwise anyone know?

Its probably only on mythic

[midnight mist]

its a set order

just swap everytime

start with clockwise

also i think its only mythic

[proper jewel]

what are the buffs amounting to ?

[runic hinge]

Check the pins

[digital elk]

can confirm that's only mythic

[arctic crown]

Whats best to pick in algathar

Mastery or Crit?

To damage output

[severe meadow]

I usually pick crit

[obtuse ruin]

do you guys ever drop implacable buff on purpose before DM or KB windows?

[strange onyx]

depends

[quaint nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640994853928566805/1490027667406196927/IMG_6402.gif

[hardy rapids]

ARE WE BACK? IS IT HAPPENING. CAN I FINALLY GET OFF SUB

[lean plover]

no

you reroll outlaw now

[wild pilot]

Outlaw is one spec i Never want to Play xd

[jade hemlock]

how is puzzle box for assa in keys? is it better just to go guidons?

[hardy rapids]

Never

I’m only playing sub because assa is unplayable

[arctic crown]

At least in M+

Assa is amazing

[jade hemlock]

i just grabbed the basic m+ talent in faq so im gonna try that out in some low keys which i imagine isnot ideal

[hardy rapids]

Oh really?

[jade hemlock]

but not sure about which trinket to use

[arctic crown]

Yah, almost every key im in in top dps

[hardy rapids]

You must be built different then

[arctic crown]

[hardy rapids]

Granted I’m only spamming 10s with my guild for myth pieces in vault

If I pushed high I’d probably see better overall dps

[viscid spear]

What's that like

[hardy rapids]

So good in later m+ and bad in raid?

[arctic crown]

I have never touched the raid so idk

[hardy rapids]

It’s fun

[hardy rapids]

[arctic crown]

But for high keys are amazing

[jade hemlock]

what are you running

talent wise and trinket wise dydankz

[arctic crown]

Puzzle/Gaze

CMQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fbmZmZxgBAAAAAmlBbzAAAAAAy2MzMzMzYMzMzsNzyMjHwDMzMzMGmZMGADsAzY0Y2AZbAbGAMzMGD

and that one

firstp ull aglathart

[west swallow]

@balmy condor this is urgent, i need your opinion on the guava monster (water)

[acoustic fossil]

O sht

[wild pilot]

Did you use dm After spreading dots ?

Because i saw casuals Seat Video an was using dm on one Target and than spreading dots and idk why

[viscid spear]

99% of my M+ is solo Q

[arctic crown]

Normally i pull everything with the tank

using evasion and tricks

spreading dots, and when everything is together

i pop dm/kings trnikets etc

then i refresh garrote with evasion and rupture

i do like 6 crimson tempest and full FOK envenom

[young ravine]

Hey guys, regarding upcoming patch, they say that caustic will be 18%=>20% but isnt it 23% rn? or there are additional effects which boosting it?

[wild pilot]

Thats what i would do too but Watch his Video the Seat key First pull

[plain thistle]

its 18%

[young ravine]

true thanks

didnt find that one

[arctic crown]

we didnt finish the dg sadly but thats the overall

cant wait to tuesday comes

we prob gonna be a+ or S in m+s

[wild pilot]

Whats you Stats Look Like crit/haste ?

[earnest imp]

Do you guys have any spesific trackers for bleeds on targets?

[jade igloo]

Just my eyeballs

[earnest imp]

ie. knowing when to refresh/add bleeds in aoe

ye

[arctic crown]

wwshttps://www.twitch.tv/dydankz

[acoustic roost]

With new CT pretty much the bleed timer on your prio target is the timer on the adds.

[warm vortex]

You got the log?

Also what level was it

[sage jolt]

Hey guys, the builds in the FAQ are up to date ? 🙂

[storm forum]

up to date as of 17 hours ago or something

[buoyant pilot]

So we still like improved garrote + razor wire yeah? Just without snapshotting since it's fixed

[elder agate]

i dont have gaze

lol

[elder agate]

why not internal bleeding and secondary poison

[lime edge]

Fatal concoction is better than secondary no?

[arctic crown]

I believe fatal concoction is way better

[solar wyvern]

Ye thatll happen in algethar with a warrior, no pad thieves

[solar wyvern]

Its goated

[west swallow]

ive found my people

[solar wyvern]

I think its key dependant ngl

Secondary in xenas seat skyreach for sure, too many low target pulls and secondary is essentially 50% extra poison dam and dashing procs

[lime edge]

Dont u fok even on 2 target

[golden loom]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok/Generator Conditions in Midnight
Always finish on 5+ combo points, or go to maximum with Darkest Night Envenom

• Crimson Tempest -> until all targets have bleeds
• Fan of Knives -> 2+ targets, or 3+ if talented into blindside
• Mutilate/Ambush otherwise

[golden loom]

so raid builds no, m+ build yes

[proven carbon]

i'm getting a little confused on when i should use puzzle box
I didn't play assa before bugs were fixed and such so I don't really understand what changed and how I should use it

[golden loom]

opener is getting garrote rupture and envenom running and then you puzzlebox before deathmark -> kingsbane

so right before your cds

[spice spire]

Puzzlebox timing didn’t change

[golden loom]

can always spam deathmark while the puzzlebox is casting pretty much

[spice spire]

Vanish did

[faint wraith]

Hello everyone, I'm trying to figure out why my damage is so low. My guild just did March for the first time and my Parse has been pretty consistently low. When I compared my numbers to someone else of comparable ilvl my envenom and garrote are doing almost half the damage (I had slightly less casts but not half as many, for example I got 10 Garrote casts, while the other rogue did 13, but my damage was 458k, and theirs was 887k) anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong?

[sharp trellis]

Patch will apply when ?

[spice surge]

On reset

Aka tuesday/wednesday

[rocky mauve]

alr

ive officially swapped

to assa

[elder agate]

what talents u runing charrend

for ass

[subtle tundra]

well throw a log

let us see what youre doing

we cant know

give me something to shit talk

[copper lintel]

🤣🤣

[faint wraith]

hang on I can get the log anymore

[wary light]

In case I have to swap over to Assa soon, does the spec have any particular min-maxes ATM or is it relatively straightforward?

[lapis lantern]

hi guys - in big pack situations in m+: do i spread my bleeds to all targets and then pop deathmark etc, or deathmark + trink => then spread?

[proper moon]

how much assa is doing on algethar first pull

[warm vortex]

What

How on earth would you even measure that

There’s like 500 trillion variables that go into it

[runic hinge]

69

[coral ibex]

emplusser brain

you can't explain it

[harsh ravine]

why do we envenom before cds in ST but we don't do that in AOE according to wowhead guide ?

[proper moon]

no1 cares about implacable getting bugged and stopping showing stacks?

[runic hinge]

a lot of factors, but one is that you probably want cds out asap and the extra building and such will delay and bam the pack is 50% hp and you're pressing puzzyb

[runic hinge]

probably the most complained about thing in here

[harsh ravine]

mmh I see but no caustic on first KB hit then, or does the caustic applied from kb makes kb's first hit do aoe

[wind condor]

do we know the increase those buffs will bring?

[harsh ravine]

Gains (for Fatebound):
Single target -> 1%
Raid Cleave/AoE -> 2.7-3%
Dungeons -> 3-3.3%
Large AoE (10+ target) -> 4.5- 5%

[drifting cedar]

bros do we delay KB a couple seconds if we need to drop envenom for implacable?

[runic hinge]

kb does apply caustic itself

[harsh ravine]

ty

[spice surge]

The envenom hit you use to trigger spatter also cleaves btw

[agile wedge]

i saw every build now has IB talent

didnt we want to have crit for fb?

[zealous moth]

finding this in a delve and the only info i can find about it being from a whispyr post

thank you whyspir

[warped umbra]

with the upcoming tuning which will be the better spec for m+, assa or sub?

[proper moon]

good, so theres hope they will fix it i hope xd

[small cairn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frosty cedar]

nope, send it goat

[frosty cedar]

IB does very good damage

[flat schooner]

as an assass rogue now for stat prio (crit,haste) would i stop at 18% haste or do i just keep sending until a certain point where i wanna start spreading it out

[runic hinge]

You just sim yourself in top gear and let the robot do the math

There’s no like

Secret breakpoints

[flat schooner]

ah ok, figures. Just comparing to sub how it pretty much says stop at 18% haste

ty 🙂

[latent kernel]

Both will still be competitive and played

Also unless you are pushing 0.01% keys you can literally play any spec you want and it will not matter

[broken chasm]

What addon is this?

[viscid spear]

Play what you want

[glacial scroll]

assassination because we're the coolest

[high dust]

Play what *you * want

(but dont play outlaw, fuck the pirates.)

[warped umbra]

thx for the answers, good to know that both specs are competitive because i like both 🙂

[gilded wasp]

Hey , does assa still have energy regeneration from aoe bleed ? i can't find them in the spec ?

[high dust]

Still does

But its lower

[gilded wasp]

where it is ? because i'm starving aswell in aoe

?

[twin hull]

what buff to take in alegathars for sin rogue?

[thorn thorn]

venemous wounds

But its mega nerfed compared to TWW

Barely noticable outside of very high target counts

[high dust]

2 down from deathmark its in the row

[balmy condor]

Crit or mastery

[gilded wasp]

Ty , is it normal to starve in aoe still ?

[high dust]

energy regen is reduced for bleeds beyond the first target

[thorn thorn]

Energy management is a core design philosophy for the spec

Source: blizzard

[high dust]

Blizzard : fuck them rogues

[thorn thorn]

meh

[gilded wasp]

apprently this spec is verry strong tho

[high dust]

by who, whiny pvp players?

[thorn thorn]

Its a good gimmic they just forgot to actually make pooling worth doing

[runic hinge]

when did it change to take ib on every built

[gilded wasp]

You guys don't like this spec ?

[thorn thorn]

I like this spec

[high dust]

I like the vibes the spec has, and the change to crimson tempest is something I welcome

but why the fuck do I have 300 energy and still get less time doing SHIT when sub with 100 does more.

[thorn thorn]

They just missed the mark a bit on what they intended to make vs what we actually got

[high dust]

(i mean pressing buttons)

[thorn thorn]

They wanted pooling to be a core gameplay thing for the spec

But then they just forgot to do that

[high dust]

and missed the mark

[thorn thorn]

And now pooling is something like a 1.5% gain so like

They forgor i guess

[balmy condor]

2 weeks ago maybe

[thorn thorn]

Not a huge deal

Spec still goodge

!buffs

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1340517677973635152/1484704581362651366/image.png?ex=69bf3264&is=69bde0e4&hm=d107345329547c4c2447c754851eb4e9e5751085af4bff69a8e80a3fd6011f31&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[high dust]

what was ib again

[gilded wasp]

So there is no more this feeling after doing a big 14 buttons openner

so you just can spam fok envenom

[high dust]

...yeah, basically

fok/crimson, venom

[balmy condor]

Internal bleeding

[thorn thorn]

14 is a stretch but no energy is not infinite in aoe

[high dust]

oh true, for rupture on ST, right?

does it...work on aoe?

i didnt check

[balmy condor]

Yeah, CT applies ib

[gilded wasp]

So you're way less spammy ? and how st does feel ?

[balmy condor]

For some reason

[gilded wasp]

still shit in m+ ?

[high dust]

...WAIT

WHY

[balmy condor]

Great question

[high dust]

"hey ct is reapplying rupture, let's make it like it's freshly applied"??? damn didnt know

[storm forum]

Oh

[coral ibex]

end of agl 1st pull for whoeve rasked

[storm forum]

Lmao wtf

Don't even have windfury

[gilded wasp]

Is st still shit in m+ ?

[thorn thorn]

Imagine being demo and losing to a assa rogue on that pull

Thats tough

[storm forum]

ST pretty good in m+

[gilded wasp]

oh realy

it's a good news

[thorn thorn]

You can see exactly in the video when tyrant expired

Cuz they insta fell behind

[high dust]

that kingsbane felt GOOD.

only CT spam on that pool feels great

...wait, does our tier + CT apply venoms aoe?

[rotund oak]

venom as a word hits different compared to poison

for sure

[solar wyvern]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qwTDFGgLn46Nk9J2?fight=3&type=summary&source=4

[high dust]

u know what I meant :(

[lime edge]

I swear assa rogues aoe sucks without 2 set

[thorn thorn]

You should DS demise max next

[lime edge]

The mobs dont get poisoned for a million years into pull

[solar wyvern]

👀

[thorn thorn]

Im cooking bro

Trust

Think of the funnel

[spice rose]

boys maybe you can help, i asked how many mobs we bleed before poppin cds in big pulls like algethar and this was the reply i sadly cant understand xDD

[high dust]

if there's still mobs without bleed, u press it

[lime edge]

Hes saying to keep using crimson

Until all mobs have bleed

[high dust]

only fok when they're all bleeding

(and at 20 targets that might be never.)

[spice rose]

so i bleed my main target, pop cds and use CT as generator until everything bleeds =

[high dust]

basically, yep

[keen spruce]

Ct is a generator now?

[solar wyvern]

Its technically more damage to deathmark later for finish the job value but delaying your cds can be less damage or lost casts down the line so essentially you just do opener get envenom running, then cds into ct envenom

[keen spruce]

Wot in tarnation

[solar wyvern]

Ye

Its aoe bleed spread that generates 1 cp, + more with seal fate ofc

[keen spruce]

Weird

[high dust]

if something is bleeding and gets hit with CT, it applies those bleeds to 2 other targets, and generates combo points too

[solar wyvern]

Its kinda nice

Its essentially Indiscriminate carnage on a button

[high dust]

CT's rework it's something I love

but then they had to be "let's nerf energy regen to the ground lol"

[solar wyvern]

I do miss insane CT damage in like mchimbabrew

[keen spruce]

I that’s pretty nice

Oh*

Does seem like it could slow things down in some situations

[solar wyvern]

Idek where people are getting energy problems from

[high dust]

they did it so we dont get that punished for not stealthing between groups of mobs

[keen spruce]

Not energy just like speed of ramp

[high dust]

yeh

[keen spruce]

Idk I never really understood the restealth complaints

Maybe like 2-3 pulls a dungeon it feels kinda bad

Didn’t really affect your damage

[high dust]

on tww it felt bad

[keen spruce]

Most of the time you’ll naturally get Restealths or have a vanish available

[high dust]

cause it meant no indiscriminate carnage

[keen spruce]

Even without carnage it wasn’t that big of a deal

[solar wyvern]

In tww u just wanted 5 ruptures

4 of which u had up on gather already

So restealth was so w.e

[keen spruce]

It definitely felt clunky, but the throughput penalty was pretty minimal

[wispy apex]

!stat

[royal lantern]

tbf, in Midnight the rebalancing of dmg would make it actually feel bad

cus like, your bleeds actually are a bigger part of the aoe dmg now, not only just "lol envenom spatter"

[keen spruce]

Yeah I’m sure it’s a reasonable change. I like slow assas anyways

But I did like the fast ramp of carnage

In keys

[royal lantern]

and its also like

going from "energy can run out in ST" into "you have literally infinite energy and just 24/7 sit at 300/300 in AoE" was weird

[coral ibex]

end of that alg

[royal lantern]

they just made energy differences bettwen ST and AoE less extreme there

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[balmy condor]

Bm Hunter in this economy?

[royal lantern]

its midnight, you play BM if you wanna play the hunter spec with more involved gameplay

[coral ibex]

bro i dont ask questions

[thorn thorn]

I hate we live in the timeline this is a true statement

[balmy condor]

Dudes playing the 3rd best hunter spec

Wild

[keen spruce]

I was kind of okay with the infinite energy in AoE because you’re already juggling so many spinning plates managing bleeds and kicks and stops that getting starved would feel extra terrible

[civic niche]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[royal lantern]

yeha, just saying that i understand WHY it got changed

[keen spruce]

Ye

[latent kernel]

Reading comments on r/wow about how people think you play assassination and then how you actually play it is insane, never realized how big the gap is with that subreddit

[keen spruce]

Just unexpected for me since I haven’t been around

But all seems like good/reasonable stuff

[real pike]

Guys at the start of boss fights and pulls in m+ are you just smashing envenom on gcd until you run out of energy for the first time or minmaxing the minigame right from the start

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr is gonna kill all of us if energy keeps becoming a topic

Just an FYI

[royal lantern]

mate

[keen spruce]

We not arguing

[royal lantern]

it became a bigger topic then ever

[keen spruce]

[thorn thorn]

I just said topic

[keen spruce]

The gaps in knowledge and ability across the general population is unfathomable

[rocky mauve]

is there a like plater that changes colors when u have both bleeds up

[latent kernel]

Some of the shit people were saying actually mindfucked me, and then I realize this is how I probably sound to some people on this discord🤣🤣

[keen spruce]

Like think about the most out of touch goobers that come in here. They’re still in like the upper percentiles of the player base just as a function of knowing to join a class discord

[thorn thorn]

If you go to the wow subreddit expecting anything of intelligence or use then that is a failure of your own expectations

[keen spruce]

The old Blizz forums were a gold mine

[real pike]

What about /r/competitivewow

[latent kernel]

That was before my time

[thorn thorn]

Wow subreddit

Still counts

[real pike]

These were good days

[keen spruce]

Some of the most unhinged arguments

[tawny veldt]

Thanks to whoever did the needful to enable assassin rogue on bloodmallet. 👍

[keen spruce]

People logging in on burner accounts cuz it linked to your armory

[thorn thorn]

[keen spruce]

And people would roast your gear/achievements

[runic hinge]

dont think you're allowed to do that anymore

[real pike]

Loooool the burners

And usually both people arguing were somehow wrong

[thorn thorn]

Ya nowadays people are just openly stupid

[tawny veldt]

Now some smart guy updates wowanalyzer and this noob rogue can start doing a bit better lol

[keen spruce]

Like two pigeons playing chess. They both kick over all of the pieces and shit everywhere then strut around like they conquered the world

[thorn thorn]

We prefer the phrase "baiting" in 2026

no no i wasnt being dumb

I was just baiting you bro

[latent kernel]

The most recent thing I read on r/wow that sparked this thought was about how this guy got a myth puzzle box and was angry because it breaks him out of stealth when he uses it

[thorn thorn]

I was being dumb on purpose

[latent kernel]

And I was like why can’t it be me who gets the myth puzzle box

[real pike]

To be fair not being able to restealth in m+ sucks

[keen spruce]

To be fair I had 6 myth puzzle boxes by the end of DF s1 and I stuffed them all in my bank and never used them

[royal lantern]

i mean, as long as the questions are genuine and not just "guys, what stats should i take and should i actually apply poisons to my weapons??????" and react with snarky stuff whe getting told to check wowhead, nobody really cares

[thorn thorn]

[keen spruce]

Actually maybe two I had a bunch of heroic ones

Every puzzle box I take off the market is a puzzle box that won’t make someone else suffer

[primal jolt]

ok so im a sin andy and i had this idea for the first time in my life to try outlaw, do i actually do it

[thorn thorn]

Outlaw cringo

[royal lantern]

try it out

gameplay is like the opposite of assa

which can be cool

[primal jolt]

thats my issue too

[latent kernel]

Outlaw is dooming right now hard lol

[royal lantern]

differences and stuff

[keen spruce]

Outlaw makes my fingies hurt

[royal lantern]

so its a day that ends with a Y

[thorn thorn]

Outlaw is fun and cool if you ignore zac

[latent kernel]

Nah it’s been worse after the most recent notes

[keen spruce]

No Zac slander

[primal jolt]

idm outlaw being ass, i play assasination rogue bruh im used to being shit

[royal lantern]

patchnotes release, zac complains about assa changes and that outlaw is always bad, meanwhile sub is the dominant spec for the 200000th season in a row

[real pike]

Any sexy individuals able to impart their wisdom

[latent kernel]

I can’t play it bc I don’t fw the class identity, I hate the mismatched pirate fugitive criminal thing, just not my shindig

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

thats literally #outlaw after EVERY SINGLE PATCHNOTES no matter what, no matter if its reasonable or not

tbf

assa channel is not much better

[thorn thorn]

Outlaw dooming

I bet you will tell me grass is green next

[royal lantern]

people just love to doom

[keen spruce]

I refuse to consider outlaw a real pirate spec until they give them gangplank ult and real guns

[primal jolt]

bro that would be so fucking cool

[thorn thorn]

Roses are red, outlaw dooms, sin complains about energy too

[latent kernel]

RTB also just a huge turnoff

[keen spruce]

I miss old rtb too when it was a finisher

[royal lantern]

nerfs? doom cus spec dead

buffs? spec dead cus not enough

no changes? spec dead cus they ignore it

welcome to World of Warcraft players

[thorn thorn]

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