assassination

[spice spire]

Used to have to be in a sink for this content

[solar wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-card-nop-no-gif-16105887446508714626

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

I appreciate you bud

it's fine

I just take some days away from youtube or turn my dms off or whatever

it's a part of the job I guess

[spice spire]

It’s a draining bit dog

[thorn thorn]

I offered to treat whispyr to something from my area and he told me no

[spice spire]

Doesn’t make it any less draining but glad maybe it’ll cease slightly

[thorn thorn]

Dealing with a shit community always gonna suck

[devout steppe]

Maybe the real way to get the rogue dev mad is not the pipe bombs but the bonds we share here and lifting whysper up

[balmy condor]

I mean it has gotten markedly worse

[solar wyvern]

Pls no i must refer terrible ideas to you

[thorn thorn]

Wow legit got some of the mentally weakest players n it

[stuck lodge]

How are you handling dragons? I was just using fok to funnel boss dmg (when adds spawn)

[thorn thorn]

2% nerf and they just have a complete collapse

[balmy condor]

like it was much more chill in shadowlands for example, even though shadowlands was way worse for rogue and had terrible systems compared to midnight

[solar wyvern]

I blame tierlist culture

[balmy condor]

but gaming communities as a whole have just gotten insano doom now

[frosty cedar]

myth or hc? im pulling myth on monday but for hc id just beat up one of the dragons and spam CT when the orbs are up

[royal lantern]

the real way would be if the wow community would get 3 working braincells and start to realise that "singular class dev" is not a thing and never was

[thorn thorn]

I blame tierlist culture

[spice spire]

I memed it to oblivion Yw

[wraith knot]

Shit I'm sorry this is the way this whole thing is playing out for you, hope you're alright

[sudden brook]

I've always been in favor of harsher crackdowns to doomer

[balmy condor]

and then like the paladin discord temper tantrums just caused irreparable damage

[royal lantern]

tbf, the internet got overall so much worse

[analog swan]

as a influencer or content creator its always easier to be viewers favourite clown than being favourite streamer - Quin69

[thorn thorn]

I blame the rwf teams, petko, tierlist makers, and a select few shitty video guide makers

[primal parrot]

thats such an underexaggeration (real word?)

i absolutely DESPISE wow players with such a deep and unrelenting hatred and they deserve it
humanity has found one of its lows with the world of warcraft community

[analog swan]

trying to please everyone and not be toxic at times is too exausting nowadays

[iron thorn]

What do you do if your owl does 25m orb damage WHILE doing 12m on both bosses?

[balmy condor]

to be fair, I still don't know whether quin is doing it for the content or he's actually just really bad at making poe builds

[thorn thorn]

I dont even try

If the person clearly dgaf i be toxic

[wraith knot]

It's real life too, I think people are venting all of the stress online in any random direction they can or are triggered in

[thorn thorn]

People that are in it to be difficult and people that are in it to learn are very obvious

[frosty cedar]

bless my valiant comrade for contributing

[iron thorn]

Very specific I know but totally realistic

[azure carbon]

why not both?

[analog swan]

bro dont get me started on that, dude keeps doing same shiet expecting a different outcome, he is too funny sometimes

[hot pasture]

what item will u spend third craft?

[frosty cedar]

I made shoulders cause im a freak

[normal mist]

Ring, neck, back

[sudden brook]

Ideally nothing.

Worst case, your worst slot

[spice spire]

Alright that’s diabolical

[thorn thorn]

What kinda freak 🤨

[analog swan]

i made feet

[royal lantern]

waiting for a week where i dont get a vault item, then probs just ring, neck or back, like always

[spice spire]

Wouldn’t you like to know weather boy

[frosty cedar]

they call me the silvermoon agent

[hazy sundial]

Isn’t it funny how much we appreciate more specific buffs than aura buffs?
4% aura buff would have been a bigger buff but we got a specific tuning that is lower than 4% and everyone is celebrating

[frosty cedar]

tbf my shoulders were like 263

[indigo totem]

no shoulder kink shaming pls ty

[hot pasture]

i have myth crest and i cant spend anyone xd

[analog swan]

out of curiosity, how many of you here are in a guild that uses wowaudit on raids?

[balmy condor]

https://youtube.com/shorts/XObSKdWX1Sk?si=YWdvWycnsZbcY5U8

[sudden brook]

Then use it on Ur worst slot

[balmy condor]

[weak crescent]

my guild does

[solar wyvern]

I mean a 4% buff would make assa very insane

[thorn thorn]

Well part of it is that a lot of the community is fucking stupid and has no idea how to do math

[hot pasture]

oki ty

[solar wyvern]

I think everyone wouls go crwzy

[spice spire]

Wel yeah it’s because targeted buff means they’re paying enough attention to the problem of the spec and not just trying to bandaid a problem causing it to be nerfed later

[thorn thorn]

And they argue with the TCers because they get different numbers

[spice spire]

Like we do crazy boss damage

[balmy condor]

we have an in-house version for the start of tiers, so "kinda"

[analog swan]

i didnt understand a word, im sorry

[thorn thorn]

Like honestly

[royal lantern]

i mean, its just

assa ST dmg is overall fine, it struggles with raid aoe rn

them actually buffing AoE means they actually pay attention and try to buff the problematic part

[analog swan]

you have ur own addon?

[thorn thorn]

The amount of people that legit just add all the % changes together and say thats the buff

Should be ashamed

If you do that

Feel shame

Unironically

[flint tusk]

So just catching up.
whispyr is IRL Monoco?

[royal lantern]

we do?

[balmy condor]

not an addon really, but ye I sim the entire raid at once

[spice spire]

I forgot about the cursed sheet

[analog swan]

oh thats nice, you can pickup people with wrong talents better i imagine

[thorn thorn]

Do not bring up the sheet

[analog swan]

cuz some can go wrong talents to make it seem they need it more

[primal parrot]

link sheet pls

[spice spire]

It has been brought up sorry homie

[thorn thorn]

[spice spire]

Why joltiik

[balmy condor]

it's ugly

but it works

[royal lantern]

joltik is awesome

[analog swan]

nothing wrong with it, just curious how many rogues here use it

[royal lantern]

thats why

[balmy condor]

does trinkets too

[spice spire]

Oh god

[thorn thorn]

because

[royal lantern]

it helps the RL with loot distribution 🤷‍♂️

[analog swan]

u go with like popular talents or u use theyr simc?

[thorn thorn]

[iron thorn]

I had a guy legit putting on a worse trinket in purpose to have more need on mugzee trinket in s2

[analog swan]

ye i saw that on mine

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-joltik-spider-out-the-door-gif-8249704754465931908

[primal parrot]

classic

[thorn thorn]

gkick

[balmy condor]

every raider submits a sim, it pulls their /simc out and re-sims with whatever I tell it to do

[royal lantern]

i mean, you tell that the RL and they probably get booted lol

[analog swan]

yes it does, kinda dont like it cuz it makes lazy people continue to be lazy cuz they know they will get it but thats irrelevant, ill keep pushing gear

[balmy condor]

think of it like bloodmallet, but for my entire raid

[analog swan]

thats how i got to mythic team on my raid anyway

[analog swan]

gawd damn

[iron thorn]

Guild was falling apart already anyways, LC just made sure he never got the trinket

[analog swan]

btw, only other rogue i know content wise is shindig. you guys seen the crashout they had?

[balmy condor]

shindig crashed out?>

[analog swan]

1 sec ill share

not him

[balmy condor]

I'm usually the rogue content creator that crashes out

[analog swan]

https://www.twitch.tv/shindigwow/clip/ProductiveSnappyEggBibleThump-YcTNcyN918zDIQHP

nah dude watch that

dude melted down

he is right tbf, mythic team on 50 pulls on heroic

[iron thorn]

Or this week was funny too. I load up sim, have highest need of any dps on gaze. Gaze drops, WW who just wrote generic BiS in custom wishlist gets it

[primal parrot]

hc crown crashout kek

[analog swan]

btw, after that crashout, they did alot of shit VERY QUICK, everyone locked in

[balmy condor]

yeah, that sounds like gn comms

[analog swan]

they finished crown 2 pulls after it

[analog swan]

gn?

theres so many acronyms on this game jesus

[balmy condor]

gn is the name of the guild

[analog swan]

oh, im too new to know

[balmy condor]

the guild is.... I wouldn't say famous

but it's fairly well known

[primal parrot]

infamous?

[coral ibex]

this is what constitutes a crashout these days

[balmy condor]

and like, those comms are just kinda the culture over there

[coral ibex]

guy telling raid to stop being fucking griefers and lock in?

nobody yelling

[balmy condor]

yeh

[primal parrot]

the guy sounds like a whiny mf

[balmy condor]

that's their raid lead I think idk

[primal parrot]

damn

rough

[balmy condor]

guy has raided there for years

[weak crescent]

My guild was is the same spot last sunday xD

[sudden brook]

LOLOLOL

[balmy condor]

he knows better idk

[analog swan]

the "i dont even want to play with some of you right now!" was fkn brutal

[sudden brook]

Yeah that's AJ, sensations, that's our gm

[analog swan]

my condolences

[coral ibex]

you havent been raiding long if you havent thought about lobbing multiple fellow raiders on your team

[analog swan]

mine had it when heroic came out but i was on holidays so i skipped it

[tacit axle]

yeah, i dont miss that kind of environment in the slightest

[sudden brook]

Nah man everybody there deserved it

[balmy condor]

gn is a giga guild though, like they're really fucking good

[sudden brook]

Much worse honestly

[analog swan]

we kinda have alot of players playing zoomed in into theyr characters sadly, nothing to be done

[weak crescent]

Alleria took us so long

[sudden brook]

Everybody there was hard fucking trolling

[balmy condor]

but like the culture aint for me ya kno

[weak crescent]

honestly the boss is simple when you look at it piece by piece

[balmy condor]

bro is spitting

[weak crescent]

but i dont know

we didnt do it smooth at all

[thorn thorn]

Did they stop griefing after

[analog swan]

cuz people move when losing hp instead of standing still making the pools fkd up, its tough

[drifting cloud]

week1 in a split she was tough especially before the scaling changes which is where the clip is from

[analog swan]

i had to unmute mic on mine to say "ITS OK TO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH SECOND ARROW" on 1st phase of crown

[iron thorn]

We talking heroic alleria?

[analog swan]

cuz u only need to aim 1, alot get freaked on what to do with 2nd

[weak crescent]

ye

[warped moon]

thaats my wife ur talking about

: (

[iron thorn]

We didn’t kill it with guild yet, I joined a random as pug on Tuesday and boss was dead in 2 pulls

[coral ibex]

top 30 guild trolling in heroic yes obviously the gm is gonna get on the mic

[iron thorn]

I stg 95% of raid just show up unprepared and rely to much on raidlead

[coral ibex]

if your feelings are hurt maybe stop trolling

[iron thorn]

In no voice pugs people tend to know their jobs and are more self sufficient

[analog swan]

btw, can we talk about sylvanas coming in from portal, throwing 1 arrow out, and leaving? 7529_KEKW

[weak crescent]

We went into our 2nd to lastpull before the kill with 5 adds still alive at 1 hp because of missed arrows

[iron thorn]

Yes that for example

[analog swan]

that is true, but sadly pugs start scattering on the 2 dragons

just like on dimensius people would scatter on the 3 demons

[iron thorn]

As I said, I just got invited luckily

Boss dead in 20mins

First pull 7%

2nd pull everyone locked in and used vantus

Boss dead

[weak crescent]

gamers

[analog swan]

u were probably just filling blank spots for a guild no?

[iron thorn]

No full random pug

[analog swan]

damn son

thats great

[sudden brook]

Literally yes

[thorn thorn]

No harm no foul

[iron thorn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DRdKarc3nHQ1N2bX?fight=4&type=damage-done

[sudden brook]

Anybody who's raided at this level is so used to this type of shit it was so funny reading the reddit thread

[autumn idol]

sorry, my message was not meant to be genuine and it was light ragebait, but i understand your plight especialyl when people blame YOU for rogue not being good

i'm just enjoying my time on bench ragebaiting people

[analog swan]

oh btw the video i sent of the crashout, that rogue "shindig" got benched after cuz they dont want rogue on the raid format 🥀

[autumn idol]

[coral ibex]

"shindig"

[sudden brook]

Half of it was like omg how can anybody say that to another player they need to take responsibility as a leader

And the other half way "holy fuck that's so tame how is this a crash out"

[coral ibex]

the so called rogue

[balmy condor]

the one that is named "shindig" by many

[analog swan]

idk, he shows on my feed, i dont watch alot of wow content. i like watching wow classic hardcore death compilations tho

[stark halo]

Are we back boys???

[analog swan]

WE NEVER LEFT

[coral ibex]

on a scale of BOOM to DOOM we are BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM

[thorn thorn]

Shindig really is the tonyhawk of rogue players

lol

[analog swan]

wasnt he that made a video of how to get into a mythic guild?

[iron thorn]

He’s low-key famous for his journey from classic andy to top 100 raider

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean compared to most of the high-end guilds this is nothing but compared to your mom and pop aotc andy guild it's a nuclear bomb

[analog swan]

yep its him

[sudden brook]

Oh yeah exactly lmao

It's just so funny

[coral ibex]

mom and pop guilds

[sudden brook]

He's said and acted way worse

[coral ibex]

main street andys

[sudden brook]

Even this week!

[balmy condor]

high-end wow is full of bigots though so like idk if that's the measuring stick ya know

[coral ibex]

they can't handle the wall street hof raiders

[primal parrot]

calling them bigots is putting it lightly lmao

[coral ibex]

no one got slurred its so tame

[analog swan]

honestly, they will add voicecoms to league of legends soon and stuff like that will be what u gona eat all day long, amazing

[iron thorn]

I took over raidleading for a dad guild in Season of Discovery classic when bosses got mechanics and some of them didn’t like me saying their name in pulls when i wanted them to pick something up etc.

[coral ibex]

ive been called the n word for less

[analog swan]

he didnt target anyone specificaly, lame

[analog swan]

noob

[orchid ore]

how's assa looking for mythic raids with the buffs? any reasons to play it over sub? I can look at logs, just wasnt sure if anyone had experience playing both specs and had opinions with the buffs in mind.

[iron thorn]

Dinner break for liquid probably is a good time to go bed for me right?

[coral ibex]

can you believe my state forbids me from having NOOJ as a license plate

[analog swan]

bro it was great but with this buff assa rogue will be trash for m+ or raids

[coral ibex]

literally 1984

my custom plate request was just denied

[iron thorn]

Not like I’m gonna miss anything today right chat?

[autumn idol]

we call em chuds nowadays

[analog swan]

does nooj stand for smth?

[orchid ore]

From great to trash? lol

im confused

[primal parrot]

yeah we were good now we are trash

[analog swan]

ye that buff will make us do alot less damage (just check the pins dude)

[severe meadow]

The measuring stick begins and ends at total m+ titles

[analog swan]

i just watched that, the way he didnt move for 40 seconds hahaahaha

[primal parrot]

quin and forsen are cut from the same cloth

[autumn idol]

hell no

quinn interacts with his audience way too much

forsen is just

and always has been since he disabled plugdj

a guy you laught at

[primal parrot]

dont open old scars like that

[autumn idol]

plugdj

yeah i was a baj back then

[primal parrot]

everytime im reminded of plugdj im reminded of billy

and i miss billy

[autumn idol]

billy was the fucking goat

[analog swan]

i dont think there was any other funny poe1 streamer that was funny other than quin

[autumn idol]

cutedog is up there

quinn and cutedog are like idk

way too autistic in a good way

like i can only watch either one for like 15 or so minutes before needing to turn it off

[analog swan]

mathil was cool but wasnt funny like quinn

[autumn idol]

no mathil was and still is fucking sexy

have you seen the body on that guy

things i'd do with him

[analog swan]

i try to abstain from that, i aint gay man, dont make me turn gay

[autumn idol]

if you don't watch mathil for eyecandy what are you doing

[analog swan]

MeowShake

[primal parrot]

mf dying from thirst in here

[autumn idol]

i mean even if you are not gay/bi you HAVE to admit that mathil is just very hot

[analog swan]

ok i can go that deep

steelmage was cool but there was something bout him that would make me bored

[primal parrot]

anyone else experiencing a lack of signups for when you list a maisara key

[magic fossil]

i know whispyr dont do this kinda of question, but someone can tell if we can switch back from sub to our beloved assa? raiding mythic in this case

[analog swan]

idk man, i join others i dont make lobbies, aint waiting for a tank

[analog swan]

you can switch back, not sure if u should tho

[primal parrot]

i spit on you

[analog swan]

emoji_102~1

[primal parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/god-slap-slap-of-god-nicolas-cage-slap-gif-1927807492062256907

[analog swan]

imagine not joining a lobby with a monk/dh/druid tank

[thorn thorn]

I invite anybody first come first serve as long as they arent outlaw, ret, mage or boomie

[analog swan]

are you looking for ring too?
yes
Instant remove from party

[ashen scroll]

I had to buy the crit ring for 300k. Best gold I've ever spent

[thorn thorn]

[analog swan]

i stopped being picky man, ill take any ring as long as it raises my ilvl

[thorn thorn]

stats are fake

[hazy sundial]

Im kinda sad that this is true. I like min maxing stats. Its fun

[stuck lodge]

I was thinking hc, you think CT is worth it for adds? I felt like they got melted and spreading bleeds was meh

[thorn thorn]

Then sim and obey robot

Otherwise just vibemax stats

I will run 40% haste

Not because its better

But because nobody can stop me

[analog swan]

i wish i could just throw autoattacks with full haste build

https://tenor.com/view/stabby-cat-stab-knife-attack-gif-8323277341918006992

[frosty cedar]

Ct does good dmg flat

[stuck lodge]

Yeah but energy costly compared to fok

[hazy sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/cta-gif-27652056

[analog swan]

honestly, i aint doing it today but u can just go to cleave dummies. use fok>envenom and see what the total damage for those 2 seconds is

then do the garrote>mutilate>rupture>CT>envenom>CT>envenom>fok>envenom>fok>envenom>...

and see what the breaking point is for damage output of applying garrote to targets outweights the spam of envenom in damage, that will be ur decision making. if its 6 seconds then u know ull only use CT if they will live more than 6 seconds

the damage here is just representative cuz i cant believe i wasnt into opening game to test it but instead to make a graph to showcase it

[balmy condor]

yeah, and then do that legit thousands of times to average out the rng

and track all of it

[wraith knot]

Aight boys better get started

[analog swan]

thats why ur here whispyr

im counting on you

🤝

[balmy condor]

(this is why testing damage optimizations on dummies is basically impossible btw)

like even just testing for bugs is insanely painful sometimes

it took like a combined 30 hours of sitting on a dummy pressing roll the bones over and over and over until we could confidently put the values into simulationcraft

[cinder zodiac]

Do you think these buffs will make sin competitive in m+?

[analog swan]

u can throw each of the abilities i show on graph and make a perception of the damage output for a idea

[balmy condor]

sin is already super competitive, this makes it probably defacto the best

[analog swan]

rupture makes it abit harder cuz its 1.7 seconds but can be done

[balmy condor]

I mean we have sims for this

doesn't need to be done in a sheet

[thorn thorn]

Throwback to that time in TWW alpha taeznak spent nearly 16 hours pressing scourge strike on a dummy just to see if the actual chance to spawn a horseman matched what blizzard said it was

[latent kernel]

The pin says that the buffs are good but do we know by how much % in dungeon slice and raid or is that being worked out still. I saw 2% but was confused if that was talking about how much caustic was increased or our total output

[analog swan]

i dont know much man, i only use warcraftlogs and raidbots so far

[balmy condor]

the % we gained is in the pins

those are the total values

[thorn thorn]

Manual testing is soul rotting work

[balmy condor]

raidbots = sims

[haughty flicker]

how many dlc does it have

[analog swan]

whispyr for a person that liked using path of building, what u suggest?

[analog swan]

wait i can test different rotations on raidbots?

[balmy condor]

I mean

[analog swan]

ohhhh ill go check

[balmy condor]

you specifically

probably not

cause it is kind of annoying and difficult to do that and requires knowledge

but that is most of what I do with raidbots

[analog swan]

nah its just to help the dude know when CT is best used compared to FOK spam on mobs in raid

[balmy condor]

your sims play the way they do because I told it to do that

[analog swan]

ill find my way, its ok

[stuck lodge]

appreciate you

[latent kernel]

I’m reading the pins and I see the buffs per ability and that statement about caustic improving to 23% would increase by 2%, but was asking if we know how much all these buffs together actually affect our sims, maybe I’m blind lol

[analog swan]

i feel like he didnt get it yet

[latent kernel]

I wonder if it’s bc I’m on mobile

So weird

[stuck lodge]

I haven't got shit

[analog swan]

click the pin to see the full message my guy

[balmy condor]

that is

the weirdest pin layout I've seen

what

[stuck lodge]

but I'm also 4 cocktails deep on this friday so I will review messages tomorrow

[latent kernel]

Dude it’s mindfucking me lmao

[balmy condor]

why does it condense the pin lmao

[latent kernel]

Thanks I did not know it expanded lmfao this is new to me

I have no idea

It’s new

[safe barn]

whispyr are u progging this Season?

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's cringe as shit

[balmy condor]

dragons dies on monday

[safe barn]

How are the timers for sin?

[latent kernel]

Bro I swear I was looking and thought I was tweaking out lmfao my b didn’t mean to ask 3 times

[balmy condor]

I can go check, I assume it probably doesn't matter but I would need to probably make a fight style for it as well tbh

[safe barn]

Nice, i guess that with these buffs sin gets even better on Paladins right?

[balmy condor]

yeah ik, discord is kinda shit

[balmy condor]

they're pretty okay, for dragons you get to giga slam the intermission add

otherwise kinda standard shit

[balmy condor]

3%

[analog swan]

ill do it throught game recording and see damage per second, i dont know how to code so ill do the math myself, im kinda curious to know too tbh

[last geode]

With the buffs I’m hoping deathstalker can find a home in 12+ keys ❤️

[balmy condor]

buffs shouldn't change the hero talent balance

but I'm personally praying on the downfall of deathstalker

just on principle of playing that shit

[latent kernel]

Such a shame bc singular focus is such a cool concept thematically but the hero spec just sucks

Probs one of my favorite rogue abilities

[balmy condor]

I'll link you the sim and you can look at it, the github is a good place to start as well

[lavish frost]

What are the best two trinkets worth to Farm in m+ ?

Preferably proc trinkets?

[coral ibex]

puzzle box from AA

solarflare prism is ok too

[turbid sandal]

What are people's thoughts on Platynator vs Plater? I'm wanting to find a good profile, especially for keys that tracks important casters, have good visuals for castbars etc. Anyone that is just the go-to for rogues?

[simple parcel]

is there anyway to track apex talents correctly right now without classic ui bug thingy

[lavish frost]

I hate the 2s Cast :(, ist there a Close Alternative?

I got Hero track drum with agi and a crit procc cant find it wowhead Tierliste thing

[weary helm]

I use platynator personally.

[balmy condor]

plater bad platynator good

[balmy condor]

nop

[balmy condor]

I guess m+ only you're looking at feather + prism

[weary helm]

Tis a nightmare but just tracking how many envenoms and glancing your buffs helps.

[balmy condor]

if you can somehow get your hands on gaze + plume, that's actually completely respectable as a puzzle box alternative

but obviously would need to raid for that

[coral ibex]

i got something you can respect bud

[balmy condor]

women?

[lavish frost]

Got a delve Trinket thata Not in the list

[coral ibex]

no i'm not in possession of any women at the moment

[balmy condor]

yeah if its not on the list it's not worth talking about probably

I didn't bother adding every dogshit worthless delve trinket

felt like a waste of time

[turbid sandal]

The renown trinket was surprisingly good for me for a long time

[balmy condor]

it is very good if you have the upgrades yeah

[weary helm]

I have the gaze but no plume. I use the vestige in M+ currently and the Saptor's Paw for raid because it sims better. I have ranger's insignia but I'm not sure if to replace the paw with it.

[balmy condor]

for being entirely free and champ track it's basically one of the best hero track trinkets

crazy world content trinket

[balmy condor]

ranger's insignia isn't beating the paw in raid?

is it like an LFR insignia or what

[weary helm]

I only got it today. I've not tried it yet.

[balmy condor]

ranger's insignia is actually pretty decent

-# after they buffed it by like 85% earlier

[weary helm]

Should I macro it with Deathmark

[balmy condor]

nah, it has cooldown reduction attached

[weary helm]

.>

[balmy condor]

you have to hard cast it

the cd isn't fixed

[weary helm]

So just use it when it comes off of CD which I imagine is often because crit is king?

[balmy condor]

yeah it should be like 1:45ish

well, depending on your gear

might be closer to 2 min or whatever

[weary helm]

I see. Also anything to help with energy regen? It's brutal in M+. Less so in raid.

[balmy condor]

nop

[weary helm]

Pure pain haha.

[balmy condor]

once you get your bleeds out, energy should be fine

that and dashing scoundrel from fok is pretty strong

[analog swan]

i got it its ok

[balmy condor]

oh?

[analog swan]

dude i did the testing and went to check on nanoseconds to see damage per second with the different combos. JUST TO REALIZE I DIDNT HAVE POSIONS imbued

ill go retest

[balmy condor]

oh.

[stuck lodge]

rip

[analog swan]

without poisons its 14sec 7529_KEKW

[balmy condor]

why are you testing with garrote and rupture applications?

[analog swan]

this addon is nice cuz it makes a big noise when my poisons run out but it doesnt do any more after it. so cuz i was afk for so long i didnt realize

[balmy condor]

actually nvm the whole thing is cursed

you do you

[analog swan]

cuz he wanted to know if it was worth applying garrote and rupture and use CT on mobs in mythic raiding

[balmy condor]

well yeah but you would have the bleeds up on the boss already

you're not pressing the bleeds on adds and then spreading it

it's fine I'm setting up the sim

you keep doing your thing

[analog swan]

thats a obvious yes to using CT

[stuck lodge]

so the problem is my guild has the dragons too far away from where the adds jump to

[weary helm]

I'm so happy IC is gone. Spreading bleeds is so nice now.

[analog swan]

oh those ones u just ignore them dude

[balmy condor]

oh, so you're just fucking cooked

[stuck lodge]

where I can't be on them and also envenoming the boss

[analog swan]

nah if ur in good position to use fok on them do it and keep envenoming the boss

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean at that point

you just hiit the boss lmao

it's doomed regardless

[stuck lodge]

yeah so I've been like, dipping to the adds and fok, then hitting boss and sorta wobbling inbetween

[analog swan]

i thought u were talking of adds like the chimera ads where u dont have the boss to cleave them together

u dont dip cuz u stop autoattacking, just sit inbetween and fok>envenom the boss

they usualy only live for 1-3 seconds anyway

[stuck lodge]

thats true, I'll have to see if fok can hit them from where they have them positioned

[balmy condor]

do tanks get voidorbs

fuck it I'll just say its 20 orbs

[analog swan]

range of fok is pretty nice

[stuck lodge]

is this with the range bonus talented?

[balmy condor]

nah, that looks to be default

[analog swan]

default

[balmy condor]

aight sim is runnin

we shall see

in like

20 min

[tacit axle]

[balmy condor]

this shit actually slow as shit man

[tacit axle]

you can do it little sim

[polar sail]

what best talent fatebound assa ?

[sudden grotto]

Tbh none feel great. But yes FB >DS rn

[thorn thorn]

What are you even simming

[keen spruce]

all gems all enchants all crafted gear stat weights

[severe meadow]

https://vxtwitter.com/Matty_Proto/status/2040138570019852639?s=20

Matty (@Matty_Proto)

Goob morning

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 3, 2026, 6:45 PM

[analog swan]

aight so if the 5 mobs (since i tested on the 5 dummies to cleave) live more than 7 seconds, you will do more damage if u let dots run of them. If its a quick kill on them (shorter than 7 seconds) you can just fok>envenom them

obviously theres alot of stuff to consider but to put it raw cuz its 5am and im not a progammer this is it raw on 5 dummies

[thorn thorn]

I dont wanna like

[sudden grotto]

how many hypothetical adds you hitting with CT there ? cause you wont hit all of them earlyt

[thorn thorn]

Discount your work or anything

[analog swan]

@balmy condorwhat are you testing with 2 targets?

[thorn thorn]

But genuinely just how dot specs tend to be

[analog swan]

its 5. CT applies to 2 more, then 2 more. makes 5

[safe barn]

do we still have a right order to pop cds?

I also did not fully understand what our Apex does tbh

[sudden grotto]

hmm, and hope those 5 arent dead early i guess

[analog swan]

hey a dude made a question revolving around this study so i put it for him. turns out he only wanted to know how to deal with the lilshits on the vaelgor and ezzorak LMAO

[analog swan]

7 seconds

[thorn thorn]

That is a let the havoc dh and fury warrior deal with them angle

And if not call them griefers

[analog swan]

if u know the group lives for more than 7 seconds u should spread dotr

[analog swan]

its good combopoints with fok to use on the boss

[thorn thorn]

Ya but if adds show up and they are in range you coulda done that anyway

[analog swan]

asking real question now... WHERE IS THE DAMN AOE BLIND AT? im waiting for it!!

give me aoe blind so i can grief nexus m+

[thorn thorn]

But adds like the orbs on dragons have a zero percent chance of living 7 seconds or longer unless your team is griefing

[analog swan]

ye but the study i did is for ads that dont have a boss nearby. cuz that would factor just using CT to spread the dot of the boss to the ads. that would make things alot quicker

[bright hemlock]

Hiiii @balmy condor I see you mentioned our single target being so good earlier in this thread. Can I ask what makes it so good? I realize both our CDs are great prio damage and single target abilities, but I still feel like our strictly single target dps on bosses can feel underwhelming sometimes. It feels like our single target prio dps WHILE cleaving is really good, not just single target imo.

[thorn thorn]

That would still be 2 orbs out of the god knows how many you would apply

[analog swan]

like for example hitting chim, ofc you use CT to spread dot to the big fella. but what if ur on other realm going to cleave the ads? is it worth prep the bleed spread instead of wacking envenom right away? u have ur answer, 7 seconds

[thorn thorn]

Probably worth hitting it once or twice but maybe not more

Minor optimizations

[analog swan]

what you mean with orbs, idk what that stands for

[red zealot]

Is the FAQ M+ build and the WoWhead build supposed to be different?

[thorn thorn]

the orbs on dragons

the adds

[red zealot]

should play FB for keys right?

[peak swift]

will assa be stronger than sub in M+ now?

[analog swan]

oh ye ye ye

[peak swift]

fr?

[teal kettle]

sin having prio compared to subs 0 is pretty huge

[midnight flume]

So after reset assa >sub>outlaw in mplus?

[sudden grotto]

the key level will likely have to be 14+ though

[analog swan]

nah they die too quick to be worth putting bleed on them i recon, those shits get shot down in a nanosecond

if thats what ur talking about

[thorn thorn]

Ya thats what i was referring to this whole time

Since that is the boss in question

[peak swift]

yea starting to do 15s and higher now so maybe assa is going to be better around this time?

[analog swan]

ye, the excell test wasnt for it cuz he only said it was for that boss after XD

its a obv no for CT

7529_KEKW

[zealous moth]

https://tenor.com/view/drip-chicken-drip-drip-chicken-chicken-gif-27284399

boy i love getting double PI

[analog swan]

considering we dont even use the scent of blood its just a waste of time

[balmy condor]

testing whether to fok or ct on dragons, it's 2 targets + the add spawns

[analog swan]

oh ur implying u can get CT to reach the other dragon while tagging 1 one them

i could never do that with my tanks

[stuck lodge]

I could do that phase 3 usually

[balmy condor]

our st is just tuned really high idk, it's not any one thing to point at

[analog swan]

they have to be very close to enrage i recon but tanks play it safe and spread them tf out usualy

[balmy condor]

I mean on mythic you have to stack them

or else you get the enrage

[bright hemlock]

I just feel like we aren’t doing a great amount of single target dps, and that our dps value comes from being able to maintain strong bleeds on lots of targets. I feel like I’m getting dumpstered on the meters on single target encounters but I’m probs just shit

[analog swan]

our mythic runs are sunday and monday, i didnt check that boss on mythic yet

🥀

[analog swan]

wtf

[balmy condor]

I mean......

[analog swan]

nah bro ur doing smth wrong

make sure u got poisons imbued or smth

[bright hemlock]

I guess I’m talking in m+, on boss fights I’m getting out cranked by frost mages and demo locks consistently

Maybe I am forgetting something silly

[balmy condor]

oh sure

[analog swan]

ur sure are, im always top boss damage on m+

[fallow canopy]

[balmy condor]

there's a lot of talent swaps in m+

not really comparable

[bright hemlock]

My overall always still looks good I’m talking specifically those boss fights. But kk good to know raid dps is good for bosses

Thanks for clearing that up yall

[analog swan]

its not raid dps, its boss damage

[bright hemlock]

Well boss damage in raid

Is what I’m getting at

[analog swan]

🤝

[balmy condor]

some specs get away with swapping like 2 talents from their raid build for their m+ build

so they basically do full ST and full AOE

we get to swap like 7

[analog swan]

i like it, its a completely different playstyle going from mutilate spam to stacking agility

kinda wish some of the unused parts of the talent tree became usuable tho

sudden demise is pathetic

[balmy condor]

what

[analog swan]

going from mutilate/ambush spam on boss to spreading bleeds for scent of blood on m+, from ST to AOE

[balmy condor]

but it's the same thing

you're just replacing mut with ct

everything else is the same

[analog swan]

ye but now u got that cool poison bomb explosion

[balmy condor]

but that's passive from envenom

[analog swan]

🥀 its the same

[balmy condor]

I mean, it is

what is the difference in playstyle

[analog swan]

its all envenom, it was always envenom 🥀

i was trying to make sound cooler but its envenom spam 🥀

[keen spruce]

what kind of goofy raid design is it where we're one of the top ST damage spes in the game and they're not running any rogues in RWF

[keen raven]

i mean this is cus it isnt even worth asa swapping to targets

[keen spruce]

I haven't looked at any bosses besides watching liquid pull the bird

is it just cleave city rn?

[keen raven]

its jut add spawns and short burst periods

IE rogue is garbage

every spec

IMO rogue is the worst its ever felt

in every spec

[balmy condor]

ok

[analog swan]

on the bird u had to pause damage to boss to clear the birds, rogue didnt work out well for liquid

ill show u smth

[keen spruce]

well yeah the bird didn't look great for rogue

[fallow canopy]

almost every one does better cleave than us (except for our yellow brothers) so ye

imo

[analog swan]

they had rogue. took it out, and got it after 60 more pulls

[keen raven]

rogue needs a spec that is viable in 2-3 and low target cleave

and trhere isnt a spec where thats good rn

[keen spruce]

I feel like there's been raids in the past where the fights had a similar composition and assas was still run because of it's ST

[keen raven]

every spec of rogue in that scenario is legit the worst spec in the game

[keen spruce]

[fallow canopy]

A lot of the cleave is just irrelevant shitters unless you are like liquid or a really top end guild imo

[analog swan]

correction, its not that we arent good, we are worse than other specs. its not bad by itself but if u keep comparing ur car to ur neighboors car ull never be happy

[fallow canopy]

so we are not really bad per se

[analog swan]

just be happy with your renault clio mate

leave the tesla from neighboor be

[keen spruce]

I guess amirdasil wasn't that cleavy and spatter went kinda sicko that tier

[fallow canopy]

KB was nutty

[keen spruce]

aberrus kinda the same

[keen raven]

yea but if you could drive a lambo vs a toyota

which would u pick

rogue is in the bin

[keen spruce]

ansurek tier was pretty good for assas

also not super cleavy

[analog swan]

identity mate, u lose identity if u think that way. you play a mmo for a character, not to swap like ur playing league of legends to counter enemy toplaner. stick to it, might be worse than others but its not bad by itself

and to be fair, it does feel good when ur top dps knowing you shouldnt be

way better than playing a op class

[keen raven]

doesnt matter if ur tryna play high level

if ur class is literally the worst class/spec in the game

all 3 specs

[keen spruce]

i'm just surprised they didn't find a spot for it on at least a few bosses

given it's st

[keen raven]

r omega bin garbage

[fallow canopy]

its on lura rn I think

[keen spruce]

cuz a lot fo those tier's i listed we were way further down the ST ladder

[fallow canopy]

havent watched today

[keen raven]

only thing semi not omega dogsht is sub and even that is midpack/lowend

[keen spruce]

but had like okkay enough splatty

[fallow canopy]

and idk if echo stuck with the rogue or also switched on the birb

[keen spruce]

to be servicable in aoe

[analog swan]

You don’t play Assassination Rogue because it’s the flavor of the month. You play it because it feels right.

In World of Warcraft, there will always be a “top spec.” There will always be tier lists, patch notes, and people chasing the next overpowered class. But damage charts change every season — mastery doesn’t.

Assassination isn’t about flashy burst or being loud on the meters. It’s about control. Precision. Patience. It’s about watching your bleeds tick while you calmly outplay mechanics. It’s knowing that every cooldown, every poison, every perfectly timed Envenom was calculated. Clean. Intentional. Deadly.

When you top the meters as the strongest spec, people shrug.
When you perform insanely well on a spec that “isn’t meta”? People notice.

And here’s the real truth: the best players don’t pick the strongest class.
They make their class strong.

Play Assassination. Master it.
Let everyone else reroll every patch — you’ll be too busy perfecting the art of the kill.

i typed this exacly 1 month ago

[keen spruce]

this has big "there's two wovles in me" energy

[keen raven]

false

[analog swan]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-space-marines-brothers-to-battle-brothers-40k-gif-215655289605847229

[sudden grotto]

unfort in top 500 guild, they expect us to be able to spec swap if needed lol

[keen spruce]

top 50*

[fallow canopy]

depends on the guild really

[keen spruce]

mmaybe lesws

less

[fallow canopy]

top 500 its kinda elitist to force that

but idk

that's just my opinion

[keen spruce]

ain't no top 500 guild makin one triccksk swap specsc

well maybe they are but they're dookey guilds

and they certainly shouldn't

[spare carbon]

holy i got referenced in whispyrs video

[fallow canopy]

I haven't switched of sin this tier and we have killed bosses no prob

[spare carbon]

im the lightblinded vanguard bar

[analog swan]

thats the only thing i hate about this game. i was top 5 archer NA on bdo and i never thought about swapping class or character. on this game its what everyone has on theyr minds

[sudden grotto]

i mean, if your spec does 50% of the damage as the next on a fight, its not that bad to spec swap.

[keen spruce]

that's never happened in wow

so that's not a very legitimate argument

well maybe pre-buff nathria kek

[keen raven]

i love being bottom spec damage by 30%

[keen spruce]

assas wasn't a spec

[keen raven]

nerf rogue!

[spare carbon]

it is genuinely embarrassing though we're so low and they buff us by such a small amount

[keen raven]

oh BOY we received a 3% Buff for cleave

[spare carbon]

really pathetic stuff from blizz

[keen raven]

when we're 30% behind!
LFG!!

[thorn thorn]

Insane gigs chad response

Your opponent writes paragraphs

Dont even read it

“False”

[fallow canopy]

well the argument is moving in a shit direction so im out

also

[thorn thorn]

[fallow canopy]

@thorn thorn

[keen raven]

asa needa redesign

[keen spruce]

where are yall getting 30%

[keen raven]

fucking using fan of knives

[keen spruce]

[analog swan]

ur already the best ST class, u want to be the best aoe class too? run 14 rogues dps on a raid at that point

[thorn thorn]

[keen raven]

3 times to evis

is awful

i love getting 1 combo point from fan of knives

and being energy starved

great class design

[keen spruce]

just ccrit more

[analog swan]

i just kinda miss shiv, i liked the way it was used

[keen spruce]

[keen raven]

fucking omega dogshit design

[analog swan]

whats ur suggestion grant

[keen spruce]

I got frustrated with fok cp like maybe once or twice a raid night

[analog swan]

when u complain u got to have a solution

[keen spruce]

it's just... not that big of a deal

kind of hinkey

but also a huge whatever burger

[thorn thorn]

Oh nvm i take it back

He isnt based

[analog swan]

is whispyr writting another bomb?...

[thorn thorn]

Bro is just a no energy whiner

Its jover

[balmy condor]

@stuck lodge this is a dragons sim, and the more I restrict CT casts on voidorbs, the worse it gets. You would want to CT > fok pretty much always given how many orbs there are. I ran it with basically every permutation imaginable just to check, like 3 target add waves for 4 seconds, 10 targets for 6 seconds, etc etc and it didn't want to fok on any of that either, so just keep pressing CT on all the adds like normal

[analog swan]

holy shiet

https://tenor.com/view/run-fire-explosion-gif-12482612

[balmy condor]

I'm doing my best to avoid the conversation going on in here don't mind me

continue you're dooming and whatever

[analog swan]

XD

[fallow canopy]

all good king

[analog swan]

good work mate

[fallow canopy]

also for next week

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr being behaved

Well done sir

[balmy condor]

I just can't be fucked anymore man

[analog swan]

nah you can

[keen spruce]

I should have kknown better than to wonder outloud why rogue didn't find a spot in RWF

it's like doomer catnip

[thorn thorn]

Maybe

If people bitch a out low energy we just time them out

[balmy condor]

people show up and ping me just to doom and it's whatever like okay, that is your opinion I guess

thanks for letting me know

sorry you feel that way

[keen spruce]

I also like it when assas does bad AoE and great ST ccuz then I can just tell my RL that i'm not hitting adds

[balmy condor]

I have no obligation to engage in the convo

[sand elm]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-thats-like-your-opinion-man-gif-15076479

[balmy condor]

so I just won't

[keen spruce]

like in vault, I got to stay off the platforms on dathea

"no me hit boss, AoE stinky"

best time to be as assas rogue

[analog swan]

fok does 96% of weapon damage and CT does 100% right? that would explain why it prefers CT over fok

[thorn thorn]

What is your favorite maplestory character

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

like including npc's or just the specs, by what metric

[haughty flicker]

[ornate tundra]

I LOVE ROGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thorn thorn]

Npc and spec individually

[wise plover]

dual blade

[analog swan]

"no obligation to engage in the convo" so kingsbane just engaged the convo to him

checkmate

[balmy condor]

by measure of lore?

[stuck lodge]

thanks for running this

[thorn thorn]

Just favorite for any reason

[balmy condor]

np

[analog swan]

@stuck lodge i think its related to this, kinda impressed it factors CT even tho its almost double the energy

oh but he factored spreading dot to the other dragon too!

[analog swan]

bro is he dropping a bomb on you or me?

[balmy condor]

NPC wise I think it's either between kaling or lucid, they're just really interesting characters that have parallels, classic story of like gifted/talented character that turns evil through traumatic events or general "this world sucks, I will make it better" type shit

Favorite spec probably just because she's so smooth to play, but theme/rotation wise I'm a big fan of fire/poison mage, dawn warrior (my main ) and xenon

[thorn thorn]

[analog swan]

dawn warrior, cool

[balmy condor]

the original test was just a copy of the timers and add spawns from my mythic dragons prog yesterday, but I made some changes and simmed like 1 target with 5 adds or 10 adds, just checking a bunch of stuff to see if it's worth in any situation

[analog swan]

oh i see how it should be, theyre basicly hugging eachother with ads close

i have only done these fellas on heroic yet, waiting on sunday. and we just kept them on theyr original spots

abismal space between them and you lose dps going from one to another to keep bleed uptime on both

[haughty flicker]

[analog swan]

wait i just realized, if im targetted by fear, vaelgor is facing me, i can use shadowstep on him and go behind him instantly

[keen spruce]

dwagons

[analog swan]

hey i didnt have to do it since from the few times i got targetted i just sprinted to side easily but i can just shadowstep, atleast i recon it is supposed to send me behind him, even if he is huge target

he typing another bomb, take cover!

https://tenor.com/view/run-bombs-gif-7915724

[humble verge]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HBmxeqwbAAAblzq.webp

[jolly stirrup]

Waking up to a Whispyr video got me like

https://tenor.com/view/shy-anime-shy-cartoon-cartoon-shy-anime-reaction-gif-8001811158180873413

Also yay Buffs

[analog swan]

it was sexy music

https://tenor.com/view/skz-stray-kids-floating-transcending-gif-21624521

but then he started singing to it

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[neat trellis]

how are we liking the buffs

[jolly stirrup]

Overall good

@balmy condor does this hype feature even do anything

[neat trellis]

my bad

[keen spruce]

have you seen the people that type in here?

it's the most effective way to communicate with the masses

wait are you talkking about the german button at the bottom

or the title

[jolly stirrup]

No the hype feature

[keen spruce]

idk what the german button is

[jolly stirrup]

The button

[keen spruce]

[jolly stirrup]

[keen spruce]

i think my adblocck disables it

[jolly stirrup]

You can like "boost" a video with points to buff their visibility or smth idk

[jolly stirrup]

A true rogue

[analog swan]

https://www.twitch.tv/whispyrttv/clip/RespectfulRoughPidgeonLeeroyJenkins-AXC3eZ16q1nOzyZh

🥀

[jolly stirrup]

WAIT DID THEY FIX THE FUCKING DELIGNED THING ON THE GROUND

WHO TF GIVES A SHIT ABOUT BUFFS

WE WIN

[keen spruce]

that's not a deligned thing

THAT'S MY WIFE

[analog swan]

deligned thing?

[sand elm]

i fucking hate this game man

[keen spruce]

dont' stab the beetles they've done nothing to you

[jolly stirrup]

I need to find the screenshot one second

[sand elm]

i needed that at hero track to replace my offhand
game gives me fucking warbound champion

https://tenor.com/view/anime-reaction-headsmack-ugh-frustrated-gif-5015289

[keen spruce]

yeah but OH don't matter

just slap a vendor dagger on there

[analog swan]

if ur not doing m+ what are u even doing?

[pale hare]

what potion do we use in m+ big pulls?

[sand elm]

id prefer to have a hero offhand with more stats than my 263 champion one

[keen spruce]

time to hit the dungeons

[sand elm]

i have been. im 3k rating. thats the first time that dagger has even dropped for me

[analog swan]

Light potential, is that what ur asking for?

[keen spruce]

unluckers

[pale hare]

yeah i wanna give assa a shot as sub i use masterry in m+ wasnt sure about assa ty

[keen spruce]

Okay do we think Whispyr is gonna post a paragraph about:

1. more maple story yap
2. pins for buffs
3. slurring the doomers

[analog swan]

paragraph is being nice

he been at it for half an hour

its gona be the new bible

and i feel like its towards me probably seeing the CT vs fok wrong

its 6am and i havent slept yet

4912sadgepray forgive me

[rapid patio]

hello! question, your aoe is like garrote - garrote - FoK - rupture - deathmark - kingbane - CT ?

aoe opener jeje

[analog swan]

"hey chat gpt, type a 1 paragraph sentence explain to this guy on screenshot why he is dumb" - would save whisp hours of his life

[sand elm]

jarvis type no u then send message

[analog swan]

garrote>fok>rupture>fok>envenom>box>deathmark>kingsbane>envenom

double garrote at start is up to you, i personaly dont do it cuz i want to take least time possible spreading the bleeds

@thorn thorn bro u cant just leave us now, take responsobility for what he is typing

[sand elm]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[analog swan]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-gaming-automatons-malevelon-creek-gif-12533518342521227876

[thorn thorn]

Huh what

What did i do this time

[analog swan]

he was showing typing for 40min but it ceased

i think he fell asleep before he could finish it

we are saved this time

[jolly stirrup]

Maybe he is just grabbing a sim or smth

[jolly stirrup]

I can't find it fml

Like the diamond on the ground was not aligned properly

[brave gyro]

Just did my first assa key in the season in a MC +12

that shit pretty good

[analog swan]

where? on some boss?

[jolly stirrup]

Dragon

On the ground

[analog swan]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[keen spruce]

whispyr gave up on his paragraph

[analog swan]

he finaly found a worthy oponnent not worthy of being explained to

[balmy condor]

I just dm'd it instead

wasn't interesting

[analog swan]

diamond shape on ground on dragon boss, theres alot of dragons

[balmy condor]

I be yapping

[analog swan]

OH CMON MAN

[balmy condor]

np

[analog swan]

we were all pausing for it

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's why I dm'd it instead

[analog swan]

7285kekwait

@keen spruceu see this shiet?

[jolly stirrup]

FOHND IT

[analog swan]

@balmy condoru got any clue what the MrPosh is talking about?

[analog swan]

oh

lmao dude

i thought it was some mechanic of some dragon boss

[versed cypress]

How do you play around implacable?

[jolly stirrup]

Get to 80, drop, repeat

[jolly stirrup]

Imho worse

[versed cypress]

Always? Just stop doing anything for 5 seconds and then go again?

[analog swan]

when u cant move ur hips anymore u tell her to wait 7 seconds and u go back at it again

[jolly stirrup]

Well you can get back up to 5cp, refresh garrote or rupture, but outside of lust, as long as you dont overcap, yes

[versed cypress]

Even in aoe?

Or just st

We dont have energy issues in aoe

[jolly stirrup]

as long as you don't overcap, yes

In the end it's not as big of a deal

[analog swan]

u dont want downtime, u refresh it when u got to reaply bleeds or cast box>dm>kingsbane, ur not just gona sit there not casting garrote for 7 seconds

[jolly stirrup]

7 minutes seconds is all I can spare to play with you

[analog swan]

i would go limp in 7 seconds if i had to wait for GCD between hits

https://tenor.com/view/cat-backshots-online-card-virtual-backshots-gif-3195502009624477197

[rugged basalt]

[rapid patio]

ah ok, and when do you spread bleeds?

[amber yoke]

3% buff? damn blizz really doin the tunin now

[analog swan]

keep in mind this is what i do to make the best usage of the box, whispyr is best to answer it

garrote>fok>rupture>CT>CT>evenom>box>dm>kingsbane>envenom

i say CT>CT because i usualy get 3 Combo points from 1 CT so using 2 in a row makes me above 5 for envenom. if u get 5 with 1 CT u do CT>envenom>CT obviously

[amber yoke]

Hope they didnt overexert themselves with this one

[balmy condor]

if you can do so without overcapping then yea, it's just free energy. If you're gonna overcap it though (like is often the case in big aoe), then you just ignore it

[balmy condor]

once garrote and rupture are up, you use CT as your main generator

until everything has bleeds

[stuck lodge]

are you double garroting on big pulls though?

[balmy condor]

yuh

[stuck lodge]

like at the start

or like

garrote>fok>rupt>garrote>fok>env>puzzle etc

[balmy condor]

doesn't really matter but in theory it would be garrote -> fok to rupt -> refresh

but if gar->gar is more comfortable then like that's totally fine

[stuck lodge]

yeah i've been getting rupture up first, then refreshing, then box/dm/kb

[balmy condor]

the beauty of assa is that our openers and the rotation in general is conceptual more than like "press this then that then that"

[ruby bolt]

is there a way with ayije cdm to highlight 5th combo point

[balmy condor]

famous assa quote from like 2017 when I started theorycrafting, I was arguing over some min-max and it ended up being just completely whatever

the response was "turns out you can just randomly hit buttons 10% of the time and it’s fine"

[stuck lodge]

yeah but I wanna catch yall at the 95% mark

so I'm trying to min max here

[balmy condor]

yeah but that's the thing

when you can randomly hit buttons 10% of the time and have no difference

what matters way more is how much uptime you got and how you're timing cds and stuff

[proven carbon]

i have only been playing sub this season but have been thinking about trying out assa when the buffs come through in m+. do we think assa is going to be competitive? i know it usually is in high keys and i was going to push 3.5k+ this season for once

sorry if this is a common question

i dont browse this channel much

[balmy condor]

it's already competitive and arguably better tbh

[sand elm]

the dagger gods have blessed me with a hero weapon at last

[proven carbon]

i've always had my eye on assa but i never clicked with pooling and crimson tempest after it was introduced

[balmy condor]

it's pretty chill

[proven carbon]

i did assa in raid in DF and it was kinda fun on council but never pursued it further in m+

i'll have to try it out on some random 10s later

[balmy condor]

it'll probably look kinda shit in 10's

[proven carbon]

then i'll just mess around in my own keys
i finally hit resil 12 with pugs only

[balmy condor]

it pops off when you get higher keys, things aren't immediately dying in your cds, and you can actually abuse the prio damage

[proven carbon]

yeah fair

[balmy condor]

casualaddict was gaming on assa though

shit cranks

[static glacier]

whisp

no way you were hoping for ct buffs

[proven carbon]

my secondary stats are gonna be cooked 💀 full mastery to full crit

[balmy condor]

the way they did it was fine

[static glacier]

it's aoe targeted which is what we'd have wanted

and number didn't go too crazy relative to spatter

but i'd have preferred it all in spat or bleeds

or fok

[balmy condor]

could they have done like 20% fok or 23% spatter or something

sure whatever I guess

[static glacier]

we take it

[balmy condor]

but even with CT being so strong, that hasn't manifested into anything really cringe tbh

[static glacier]

I think from here on out they can look at stuff like secondary poisoning

[balmy condor]

you could I guess argue that it's a little cringe to press CT on add spawns like dragons or something instead of fok, even when you're taking thrown precision

like that's strange

and that's an artifact of CT being as strong as it is

but there's no like "problems" with the tuning

so 10% to both is totally fine

[static glacier]

I woulda said best outcome is cutting ct's dmg and its energy cost too

[rugged basalt]

I’m not as good at discord dorking as I thought
What build would I use on l’ura?

[static glacier]

let it just be a spreading tool, the damage shouldn't have ever competed with fok

[balmy condor]

full st but you take ct and caustic for p1

same shit you play on salad or imperator

[rugged basalt]

Okay ty. I was on the fence about ST bc of p1

I was using generic raid build for imperator but ST on saladbar. I assume that changes on Mythic then

[visual sun]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[balmy condor]

yeh

[rugged basalt]

vale

[balmy condor]

on mythic salad you for sure play ct caustic

[rugged basalt]

I’m on mandatory wow break for Easter so I’m at least prepared for Tuesday

[short forge]

This fire?

[balmy condor]

pins

[short forge]

thx

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-smash-wood-playing-gif-17749007

[keen spruce]

that took you like 45 minutes

all that complainin worked

[sand elm]

complain and thou shalt receive

[static glacier]

too real

also who complains about weapons in 2026,. ain't everyone just crafting?

[sand elm]

ive said it for many years and been proven

[primal parrot]

hey @balmy condor
infinite poison, but no bleeds
or no bleeds, but infinite bleeds?

[keen spruce]

offhand

[sand elm]

i wanted a higher ilvl off hand than 263 for stats and ilvl

[keen spruce]

if you're crafting an offhand i'm throwing you in the sea

[sand elm]

ive had 285 crafted mainhand for a while

[balmy condor]

I'm pickin the bacon dawg

[sand elm]

ofc not. i wouldnt waste money on a crafted offhand. what do u take me for

[primal parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/doorshalla-gif-4089421006436736627

[waxen oyster]

offhand is whatever

[sand elm]

more stats is still more stats

[waxen oyster]

only reason to have a myth offhand is if you crafted then got a myth one

[rugged basalt]

Less yapping more grinding you’ll get 3500 and still have an oddball champ piece

[waxen oyster]

i got double 263 rings

[sand elm]

i expect to keep champion puzzle box till 3.5k

[waxen oyster]

im 273

[rugged basalt]

twin..twin

[sand elm]

🫂

[rugged basalt]

I have 266 solarflare and champ box

[waxen oyster]

renown trinket is likely better

than solarflare

[sand elm]

im using 276 solarflare

[rugged basalt]

My sim said otherwise but maybe it’ll say differently on tues

[sand elm]

was like the first hero item i got from m+

[waxen oyster]

whats on tuesday

[rugged basalt]

Me open gv me pick 1 of 2 myth items

Me sim

[waxen oyster]

i cant wait to get 5 bad items

3 from key vault choices 2 from raid

[rugged basalt]

I have a stacked heroic top row bc I didn’t mythic raid this week

I did bird and crown I’m so proud of myself

I didn’t have time to do 4 more m+ sadge

[waxen oyster]

You still have 3 more days

[rugged basalt]

I’m on break

I’ll be back Tuesday eve :p

[waxen oyster]

we need to kill farm fast reset

so i can watch my show queue on paladins bench

[rugged basalt]

So true

[primal parrot]

if blizzard doesnt drop me a good trinket i will begin exploding every rogue i see

with my mind

[rugged basalt]

Okay im simming ST and renown trinket against solarflare

Feeling warm and fuzzy rn guys what’s goi

[primal parrot]

im feeling violent

[torn dome]

I’m feeling erect

Why am I green now

Take this sub tag off me

Dirty

[jolly stirrup]

Well I have no choice since I sold the renown Trinket I believe

[rugged basalt]

Buh

Why