I get 2 gcds into the pull
#assassination
runic hinge
How even
frosty cedar
it is so over
runic hinge
I haven’t specced that hero talent the whole expack
frosty cedar
idk how it was even activated
coral ibex
bro got got by exploring forbidden deathstalker knowledge
frosty cedar
real
keen raven
when you deathmark a target if you reapply a bleed during the deathmark does that have any weird interaction
balmy condor
you raiding tonight king
Yes I love raiding
fallow canopy
my hubris returns
Truly the Darkest Night 
balmy condor
when you deathmark a target if you reapply a bleed during the deathmark does tha...
Nope, deathmark is dynamic and will update any bleeds already applied + any new ones
real pike
two bosses one night
Why is bro playing the pvp spec in pve
strange onyx
I ain't hitting the puzzle unless it is grief to not play it
keen raven
Does vanish garrote still apply over the weak garrote/extend it?
fallow canopy
https://warcraftrecorder.com/link/9c6b9f90-cfe6-453b-bd29-c2645b433ca2
healable 
soft shell
is anyone here recruiting for mythic raid guild?
strange onyx
I do recruitment for mythic raid guild
balmy condor
I'm not sure asking a rogue discord for a recruitment to a mythic guild, as a rogue
is a good idea
stuck lodge
any mythic guilds looking to have multiple rogues in their prog team?
agile wedge
Nope, deathmark is dynamic and will update any bleeds already applied + any new ...
does this mean i dont need to give a shit about the duration of rupture before i go into the window? i mean sure vanish for garrote but else?
stuck lodge
With enough rogues you can evasion and cloak tank, no healers needed
tight ginkgo
Numbers aren't real. Yellow stonks rise.
spice surge
You can put all of your cope in the execute basket ig
But as far as i could tell it wasnt phasing on percentages
So thats not happening either 
balmy condor
does this mean i dont need to give a shit about the duration of rupture before i...
idk what you mean by that, you should be applying rupture before pressing deathmark in your opener
coral ibex
i think he means that rupture being at half duration when entering dm isn't a problem
agile wedge
idk what you mean by that, you should be applying rupture before pressing deathm...
oh i talk like mid raidfight. like 2mins into the fight. sometimes i have 11 secs rupture left for example
so no pandemic
i could delay my dm
balmy condor
as per normal
coral ibex
its ok to refresh during cds
agile wedge
thanks guys
tight ginkgo
So thats not happening either <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
One must imagine Sisyphus happy. 
🪨 ⛰️
rancid anvil
is dungeon slice ok to use when siming for m+?
balmy condor
it's recommended yes
rancid anvil
thanks just wanted to make sure
stuck lodge
I had someone yesterday telling me it was useless lol but its all we got
agile wedge
just checked the current iteration of the guide
so we use vanish always after kb in dm window for more imp gar?
or is there another reason
coral ibex
checka da pins
balmy condor
I had someone yesterday telling me it was useless lol but its all we got
people love to hate on dungeonslice (myself included sometimes), but it's still way more accurate than any dumb obsolete flesh brain making estimates
tight ginkgo
my brain is made of oatmeal so jokes on you!
balmy condor
it's like in chess when you're comparing to stockfish and you're going "pfffffff, stupid stockfish, I'm way better than that!"
and like yeah, sometimes stockfish will recommend some inhuman shit that you look at and go "what?"
but it's still smarter than you will ever be
balmy condor
my personal favorite is when people go "I simmed X, but I hit the dummies 5 times and Y was better"
latent kernel
and like yeah, sometimes stockfish will recommend some inhuman shit that you loo...
I love when it does this and the line it sees is 20 moves long and leads to like a 0.5 advantage
latent kernel
I can’t even see if my queen is hanging sometimes
balmy condor
luckily in world of warcraft we live in a world where we don't have to memorize 25 moves of obscure engine lines
we just hit the button and it spits out exactly what to do
and you take a quick glance
and go "yep seems reasonable"
and move on
stuck lodge
guys wowanalyzer does not support assassination rogue lol
balmy condor
true
stuck lodge
idk how useful the site is, but someone suggested it to me
balmy condor
and unless that one person from like last week decides to actually update it, it never will
stuck lodge
and it just says, nah man, no one plays this
latent kernel
Wow sims are more accurate than stockfish though because they’re completely solved, I don’t think stock fish can even completely solve a game until there’s only 7 pieces left
spice surge
Theres a huge disclaimer at the top saying its not supported
latent kernel
It’s pretty cool how it works
spice surge
Wow sims are more accurate than stockfish though because they’re completely solv...
Theyre definitely not completely solved
In that sense
balmy condor
yeh I don't think you can ever consider them solved
solved would be like an APL that has no improvements and can adjust to fight-timings and amp phases and add waves perfectly
which like, in theory is possible
but is an insane amount of work and not realisitic
latent kernel
Where is the botteneck tho?
tight ginkgo
sim options | voidspire fight patterns
balmy condor
gestures vaguely towards everything
latent kernel
Bc with chess it’s the computational factor and how many combinations there are, same issue with wow?
So yes chess is technically solvable but not with current computational power? Is it that or just no one has put in the effort yet
royal lantern
i mean, chess doesnt get balance updates every couple weeks that change stuff
balmy condor
sims have problems with compute power as well
which also kinda ties back to the dungeonslice argument
royal lantern
(nerf queen)
balmy condor
a lot of people hate dungeonslice for various reasons, but the one thing it does very well is variance
like it might not model a dungeon directly
and therefore be "bad"
strange onyx
All dungeons are bad, so it kinda got that right
balmy condor
but it will model basically every situation and chain pull and restealth and aoe and cleave
and lump it all together into one unified model
it's less of a "dungeon" and more just "everything you could imagine to ever see in a dungeon"
and some theorycrafters even disagree with that
tight ginkgo
i mean for it to be "solved" it'd ultimately have to be a one to one copy which there's just so many variables like...
balmy condor
which is how dungeonroute came to be
dungeonroute you can export a route from MDT, and sim that directly
but the downside is that it's zero variance
tight ginkgo
Who has keys which run like that
balmy condor
and so like
tight ginkgo
(I'm bad maybe good players do!)
balmy condor
the "solution" is dungeonroutes, with variance
and the compute power simply does not exist for that
but alongside that, you would also have to make sure the constraints on the variance make sense
and depending on the dungeon, that's also really hard
or even things like the last boss of miasara caverns, how are you factoring in the downtime during the intermission
or just as a whole, simulationcraft has no concept of "space"
what if adds spawn, or you're grouping up a pack in m+
and things are out of range
like you can go down an insane rabbit hole of "simulationcraft is inaccurate and bad because of X"
none of the APLs written today have support for movement or damage amps, some don't even support holding cds for upcoming adds
analog field
I mean it can be done more accurately but it will never be 100% except if someone does it for his own pulls etc.
so you define downtime exactly
and pulling time etc
which loses the point imo
balmy condor
yeah but even then like you'd need to define all of that, and then add variances on top
tight ginkgo
And then everyone play perfectly like that without anything going wrong
analog field
But to have a more accurate dungeon sim is nice but probably irrelevant
analog field
For the things we use it
analog field
I mean for item comparing it's fine as it is
If you want to compare DPS and rotation etc it has a use with exact routing
coral ibex
guys i need to sim the perfect gear for this dungeon that we will complete in 19 minutes. the sim will take 19 hours. please wait for me
analog field
but too far fetched
balmy condor
If you want to compare DPS and rotation etc it has a use with exact routing
yeah I mean the real question is how accurate does it need to be
analog field
I had a tank now , where feral said bio brb
he put in key
and pulled without him
xd
analog field
yeah I mean the real question is how accurate does it need to be
yeah I understand your argument
coral ibex
and pulled without him
yea they pre-cook tanks in stupid juice before every season
analog field
I kinda agree , but I like the idea of dungeon simmin
balmy condor
rogue sims generally are notoriously "bad", partly because we don't add every 0.1 and 0.2% bullshit into the sims
but like
are they less accurate because we do that?
I'd argue it's more accurate to keep that shit out
like before midnight, there was always a min-max with crimson tempest
where you would use it as an AoE finisher
but you could refresh it earlier and earlier with more targets
so like in 3 target? pandemic range
5? 0.3 seconds before pandemic
6? 0.7 seconds before pandemic
12? 3.1 seconds before pandemic
coral ibex
i miss finisher ct that shit CRANKED
balmy condor
and it was like 0.8% better
crisp pine
I bet theres some dumb stuff with amp poison and the apex talent too
balmy condor
but no one's fucking doing that
analog field
The problem is that people don't understand their "level"
so if you are playing MDI yeah you should do it
balmy condor
MDI players can't do it
balmy condor
like I gave those rules to rank 1 io rogues in the past
and then watched them slam a deathmark into a boss at 4% hp
like what people think is "worth" doing or even humanely capable of executing regularly
is so far beyond what is actually possible
analog field
true
balmy condor
they just see someone at a billionity thousand io score
and go "they must be doing a different rotation"
analog field
they just have a general understanding much higher than us
spice surge
The different rotation is usually just actually be in melee range and press buttons more
analog field
It's not spec knowledge per se
tight ginkgo
idk some high io players are idiots
analog field
yeah or dodging mechanics
balmy condor
The different rotation is usually just actually be in melee range and press butt...
and have better players in your group so you can pull insano big and be efficient
coral ibex
yea and some are supergeniuses living among us
balmy condor
"why am I not doing the same damage as XYZ"
coral ibex
coral ibex
fug that was meant to send inverted
balmy condor
and afking to let the healer drink
sharp viper
spice surge
Yeah turns out you do more damage if youre consistently pulling 10 mobs instead of pulling 3 mobs
analog field
silence
crisp pine
my fav pug experience is having a big first pull and everyone being asleep on the wheel after
analog field
stop telling them to pull 10
crisp pine
can't pull big without BL anymore
coral ibex
my favorite is pulling big to start pit of saron and then the resto sham hits lust after the pack dies and we're running down the ramp
balmy condor
my fav pug experience is having a big first pull and everyone being asleep on th...
I love the pugs that think bloodlust is like a 400% damage amp
double pull? can't, no lust
severe meadow
All my homies hate DHs
balmy condor
I actually wonder
if we randomly polled r/wow or something
about what they think the dps gain of bloodlust is
how ludicrously high that number would be
coral ibex
not r/wow bro they're working on identifying shapes still
crisp pine
I don't think most people know what bloodlust actually does
My char gets a lil bigger I think
which means more damage
balmy condor
not r/wow bro they're working on identifying shapes still
there's a post on there atm popping off about how bad wowhead guides are
crisp pine
there's a post on there atm popping off about how bad wowhead guides are
The tank one?
balmy condor
and I am literally required to read it as part of my job
coral ibex
call em monkeys and move on
coral ibex
balmy condor
we value the inputs of all our readers
latent kernel
They should make a 3.5k IO achievement and mount
3k progressively lost value with balance tunings
coral ibex
they should make a nooj achievement and mount and give it just to me because every other achievement that can be earned by others has been devalued
crisp pine
agreed
latent kernel
they should make a nooj achievement and mount and give it just to me because eve...
I mean this is unironically exactly what happened lol
frosty cedar
finally a human being 
coral ibex
you dont actually think that wow achievements have some intrinsic value or something do you?
like for real?
tight ginkgo
ive made an achievement which is called playing m+ until I dont wanna push score and then do something else with my time it is great
coral ibex
flat m+ score achievements aren't impressive and it doesn't become impressive because the number is arbitrarily higher than it used to be
latent kernel
Never said they were impressive, just think the threshold should be increased lol
coral ibex
3k progressively lost value with balance tunings
you apparently thought 3k had value that it has now lost
latent kernel
Value in the sense of how long it takes a percentage of people to get
coral ibex
so its impressive to get 3k quickly?
coral ibex
doesn't that just mean there should be like
a 3k io hall of fame
if you are thinking to yourself that sounds dumb, i would agree
latent kernel
Bro no one is saying what’s impressive or not impressive lol, I’m just saying that from the first season they came out with keystone legend they should’ve looked at the % of people who got it and adjusted the score accordingly
So it was the same effort to achieve the goal
coral ibex
why would they want to adjust the score
latent kernel
If that makes sense
latent kernel
I mean not to you lmfao
You can’t just say “welp I don’t value this so no one else should”
That’s a stupid way of thinking
coral ibex
its even stupider to think that every other wow player evaluates the worth of achievements in the same way you do
latent kernel
When keystone legend dropped, it was a long term goal for a lot of people, they should’ve adjusted the score so it remained equally as difficult to get when it was concepted to remain a goal that way
versed mica
Speaking of achievements, I had something weird happen to me the other day
Some goober sent me ingame mail saying I was in "the top 1% of achievement hunters" and was inviting me to join their elite achievement hunters wow community
I was like lmao ew
coral ibex
"well i dont think this is valuable so nobody else should"
🤡
i know plenty of casual andys for whom 3k is actually an achievement
and they are happy to get there
latent kernel
i know plenty of casual andys for whom 3k is actually an achievement
Least anecdotal argument
coral ibex
Least anecdotal argument
"this achievement has no value"
"i know people for whom it has value"
"anecdotal!!!"
versed mica
I can't believe my prestige mount is less valuable... All the noobs are getting it... I'm literally shaking blizzard can't do this
coral ibex
alright man
latent kernel
I mean you realize this argument is me saying my opinion, and your argument is saying I think it should be this way
There isn’t any substance here anyway
latent kernel
You’re just insulting my opinion because you don’t agree lol which is frankly rude
balmy condor
I can't believe my prestige mount is less valuable... All the noobs are getting ...
what if I gave you the prestige mount, in blue
coral ibex
im not insulting your opinion, if anything i returned the insult directed at my ability to understand the topic
latent kernel
No one questioned your ability to understand that sounds like an insecurity
tame willow
you both get timeout and a diapee change
versed mica
what if I gave you the prestige mount, in blue
Does it take 6 weeks to obtain instead of 2???
coral ibex
or, recall what you say after
versed mica
That would make it better
hazy sundial
What is the ideal pull size for assa? It’s not super big like AA
coral ibex
uh isn't it like at least 10
tight ginkgo
🥕
coral ibex
bleeds are uncapped aoe
versed mica
What is the ideal pull size for assa? It’s not super big like AA
Pull size that kills your group's warlock
crisp pine
you need atleast 3 bolt mobs focussing you at all times
royal lantern
there's a post on there atm popping off about how bad wowhead guides are
"wowhead guides are so bad to follow blindly, you should use archon instead"
and the best part is, the OP of that post said that he struggled in +7 keys to stay alive
BRO, IF YOU STRUGGLE IN +7 KEYS ITS NOT A GUIDES FAULT
versed mica
so i'd imagine infinitely large packs no?
Thing is, you don't want to just spam CT
You only want a certain amount out for every then just envenom spam
frosty cedar
are you talking about that reddit thread
latent kernel
ok man
This was addressed at your line of thinking not your quintessential existence as a person btw, I think text doesn’t convey the tone correctly, apologies if it came off as rude now that I’m reading it again
frosty cedar
I couldnt read like 5 replies before I tilted
coral ibex
This was addressed at your line of thinking not your quintessential existence as...
no worries man, no hard feelings and i apologize for what i said
frosty cedar
bros are really like "the build I dont understand for the talents I haven't read that I copy pasted from someone else doesn't do the thing I thought it would do without looking"
coral ibex
royal lantern
my fav pug experience is having a big first pull and everyone being asleep on th...
my fav pug experience is the dungeon going 150% awesome the entire time, then at the 2nd half the Tank suddenly decides to randomly do a 6 pack pull with so much unavoidable dmg that everyone dies in 5 seconds, and its bricked
latent kernel
no worries man, no hard feelings and i apologize for what i said
All good, I enjoy a spirited debate with 0 substance🤣🤣 no hard feelings
coral ibex
hell yea
analog field
my fav pug experience is the dungeon going 150% awesome the entire time, then at...
seems to be a trend
coral ibex
my fav pug experience is the dungeon going 150% awesome the entire time, then at...
"need kicks"
starts ff vote
royal lantern
like i literally had that rn
doing magisters 14, everything going awesome, everyoen does great dmg, we kill the first boss
and suddenly the tank decides to pull ALL THE PACKS BEFORE THE 2ND BOSS AT ONCE
crisp pine
Tank and Healer flamed each other for 10 more minutes after
royal lantern
yeha sure, 5 magisters spamming bolts and polymorph, 4 runebreakers with a unavoidable dot, and 4 healers with a unavoidable dot, what could go wrong?????
balmy condor
Does it take 6 weeks to obtain instead of 2???
it still takes 2 weeks to obtain, but it's 2 weeks of doing something far more tedious and the blue is like an off-putting color that's kinda ugly and you're never actually going to use it as a mount, it's going to sit in your collection forever and it doesn't even really matter what the mount is at the end of the day, what matters is that the collection number went up by 1 and that made you happy. It made you happy to know that you made progress on a fake, meaningless goal you set for yourself, because it makes you believe you're doing something for yourself, believe you're improving by having a bigger collection number. But it's all a charade, a carefully constructed ruse by the entire gaming industry to make you want to feel that way when you collect something or get an upgrade. The entire cycle only works if you believe the next dopamine hit is coming, you just gotta kill that rare one more time, farm that old raid one more week.
Anyways we added housing decor to basically every part of the game, buy this japanese plum tree decor for $3, or you can get three trees if you buy it in a $20 bundle!
spice spire
<:fishinge:1035773638173020252>
🥕
Miss us king
crisp pine
Whispyr having a good day
crisp pine
the what
crisp pine
killing myself
severe meadow
Oh someone bought you the feet thing
crisp pine
(light)
severe meadow
- 5$
severe meadow
Yeah I'd hate if some syrup was added
analog field
like i literally had that rn
doing magisters 14, everything going awesome, ever...
had exactly the same in magisters 12
like some MDI route
also brew tank had 1 interrupt up to that point
and I had 20
versed mica
it still takes 2 weeks to obtain, but it's 2 weeks of doing something far more t...
Are you okay LMAO
versed mica
Okay I figured it was a meme but I just wanted to make sure
I haven't witnessed existential/nihilist whispyr till now 
balmy condor
nihilist whispyr is just regular whispyr
viscid spear
I haven't witnessed existential/nihilist whispyr till now <:MONKAS:9842372204226...
You don't lurk here enough then
versed mica
I don't, I check once maybe twice a week and follow to convo for like 30 mins then do other stuff
balmy condor
that's healthy
royal lantern
I haven't witnessed existential/nihilist whispyr till now <:MONKAS:9842372204226...
wdym, that happens like, 3x a week
viscid spear
versed mica
that's healthy
Anyway, let me tell you why sin needs restealths every pack
viscid spear
Whispyr whenever Blizzard changes something
balmy condor
genuinely when I do some introspection I like to read nietzsche
viscid spear
Anyway, let me tell you why sin needs restealths every pack
Damn tank, making me use Vanish on trash
crisp pine
genuinely when I do some introspection I like to read nietzsche
I have read zarathustra thrice and I still don't know what he's trying to tell me
versed mica
genuinely when I do some introspection I like to read nietzsche
Respect
viscid spear
This is not my doing
thorn thorn
It feels more ominous than the cat ears
Whispyr is my witness
Wasnt me this time
Although I did consider it
balmy condor
thorn thorn
viscid spear
Watching you
tight ginkgo
nihilist whispyr is just regular whispyr
a dash of nihilism is important to maintain good health and humor
balmy condor
spice spire
I got gifted the foot avatar
Bro
spice spire
Teehee
west crown
what is the sim option to find what stat I'm lacking in?
spice surge
You should be simming the items you have in topgear
balmy condor
droptimizer? I guess?
analog field
probably he means stat weights?
balmy condor
yeah but stat weights are shit
fallow canopy
updated bis stat weights
finally some stats I can get behind
analog swan
the existencial dread into a foot reveal, holy shiet
solar wyvern
Guys im conflicted which bench is better? This one gives a lot of mastery...
analog swan
discord opened channel up on that timeframe instead of recent messages, why did discord want me to see it
thorn thorn
Guys im conflicted which bench is better? This one gives a lot of mastery...
One on the right looks more comfy
Can catch a snooze on it
solar wyvern
One on the right looks more comfy
Idk im not a gnome i cant fit
fallow canopy
<:xla:1283127722180087808>
astral leaf
Guys im conflicted which bench is better? This one gives a lot of mastery...
also doing no melee alleria comp?
solar wyvern
also doing no melee alleria comp?
4 melee ret for aura, 2 dks, warrior buff
haughty flicker
they added housing so rogues would have something to do this season
thorn thorn
Gonna be resil 18 at this rate.
resil 22s
astral leaf
4 melee ret for aura, 2 dks, warrior buff
xD is cooking up some no dk strat
that we're gonna try to copy
so its no melee
hot chasm
Man i hope assa gets some love, really not the biggest fan of sub
bitter solar
bitter solar
its all over
coral ibex
fug
coral ibex
oh maybe im misplaying then, garrote only barely beats out spatter for me across a dungeon
latent kernel
are you guys hitting adds on averzian?
thorn thorn
babe wake up assa bugfixes
bitter solar
its a hotfix so i presume as much
zinc frost
Its okay, improved garrote buff incoming to compensate 
latent kernel
so how does that change opener with puzzle box?
solar wyvern
Dw u can spec into mm
plush isle
is assa dead
was never alive in the first place
plush isle
just reroll hunter/DH/warlock/Mage/DK
coral ibex
so how does that change opener with puzzle box?
just doesn't matter to vanish after buffs anymore
hardy rapids
is assa dead
a 100 parse for assa rogue on the first mythic boss is equal to my 49 parse on the first mythic boss as sub rogue
actually I was 2k higher
I just want to play assa
tawny veldt
roughly how much mastery % does the AA trinket give when activated?
balmy condor
snapshotting deadge
I don't think that's what that means
near valley
how's the story in Maple whispyr?
balmy condor
Bug Fixes Live Now
Its now confirmed with logs (thanks @coral ibex for testing) that this fixes all improved garrote snapshotting cases. Guides/Sims will update accordingly, but the TLDR is feel free to vanish whenever
These changes are not a dps gain or loss, and only serve to restore the quality of life we had previously
haughty flicker
is it not saying imp gar will update with stats now
near valley
damn
haughty flicker
idk im not a very good reeder
balmy condor
how's the story in Maple whispyr?
we preppin for summer patch it's lit
near valley
we preppin for summer patch it's lit
keen spruce
on one hand, I feel like they'd mention snapshotting if it was a snapshotting change
on the other hand, that just sounds like a description of no snapshotting
haughty flicker
dont garrote shmeeps
coral ibex
then box and do it again
balmy condor
apply improved garrote in any combination of manner you wish
graceful halo
does secondary poisoning count the poisons applied by our 2pc since its "single target" from a garrote?
balmy condor
spread it from CT, not from CT, box, no box, overwrite a regular garrote, overwrite an improved garrote, apply it dry
sand elm
those bug fixes mean we're back to not needing to vanish in the opener right?
balmy condor
do it all
coral ibex
and just have a log running
balmy condor
does secondary poisoning count the poisons applied by our 2pc since its "single ...
yes but the 2 piece garrote poisons amount to ~14 poisons per minute
which if you have no frame of reference for that
is fucking awful
hot chasm
cedar elm
severe meadow
Hotfixed 
solar wyvern
With a key to the friday castity cage
spice surge
idk lately since i dont play rogue
Wise
twilit python
type shit honestly
cedar elm
i ragebait here and there for no reason
keen mantle
i like this discord ngl
at some point i was joining to get actual info
except if you know shit about hunter and dk
i can still do that
balmy condor
if anything, this doesn't change damage but makes the spec play smoother
cedar elm
casualragebaiter
keen mantle
so whats that fix technically lol?
keen mantle
it used to be weaker with crimson or what
twilit python
nah just a tooltip bug
keen mantle
w/e
twilit python
was very annoying actually glad they fixed it
solar wyvern
I read it as snapshot fixed but could be more like, imp gar applies pbox mastery without needing to be reapplied typeshit
twilit python
anytime you spread empowered bleeds it showed as regular
sand elm
yay begone snapshotting
viscid spear
coral ibex
spread it from CT, not from CT, box, no box, overwrite a regular garrote, overwr...
did a bunch of diff applications
do you need a bigger sample
balmy condor
ty pookie I will take a look after I finish my german or autism test
it's important I promise
I need to know whether I'm german or autistic
viscid spear
viscid spear
I need to know whether I'm german or autistic
There's a difference?
coral ibex
i told you bro
vivid elm
what test is this
balmy condor
what test is this
coral ibex
7% king
pure moth
% missing is the garrote damage
vivid elm
https://german.millermanschool.com/
taking it now
balmy condor
sent*
balmy condor
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1489403235633729797/1....
IM MORE GERMAN AND MORE AUTISTIC WHAT DO YOU MEAN
@coral ibex link talents
things aren't adding up
coral ibex
CMQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fbmZmZzgBAAAAAmlBbzAAAAAAabbmZmZmZMmZmZ2mZZmBPwMzMzYYmxYAMwCMjRjZDklBsZsBYmxwA
royal lantern
we play WoW, that allready makes us Autistic as fuck
viscid spear
wheres the missing % tho
femboy
coral ibex
coral ibex
i did some manual applications and manual refreshes
balmy condor
oh nvm
you just have
all your gear equipped
and all your talents
so the 37.7 garrote is pre-box
then 38.2 is box
that garrote tick procced both your weapon enchant and your arcanoweave
which is then the 38.4 garrote
coral ibex
so it is dynamically updating
balmy condor
seems that way
balmy condor
what
keen mantle
what
i was waiting with that vanish
snapping the shit out
now its gonna be automatic no
?
balmy condor
like it has been for the last 10 years, yes
vivid elm
alpine valve
Rogue is saved
balmy condor
rogue is something alright
royal lantern
its a class in the game
coral ibex
i feel this is the most autistic answer to this question
allistics dont think about whether they are normal about things
royal lantern
i feel this is the most autistic answer to this question
mate
you dont wanna know how absolutely german those questions and answers are
coral ibex
#4 is just le reddit
royal lantern
no it isnt
coral ibex
#1 is clearly german
royal lantern
mate, #4 is also VERY german
balmy condor
they all sound german to me
royal lantern
small talk when its a hike and your grandma suddenly decides to have a 20 min conversation with a stranger?
balmy condor
I couldn't decide which to pick
royal lantern
yep thats normal
balmy condor
cause like, I don't enjoy small talk, but like icebreakers and introductions and shit are normal required social things so it's gotta be 1
haughty flicker
balmy condor
but then again, that's also how 2 works
and it's also a waste of time, so it's gotta be 4
royal lantern
^^^^^^^^^^^he gets it
coral ibex
well i know i'm not german but im probably autistic and i picked fine. i'm normal about it
balmy condor
I know I get it, I'm german and autistic
I understand
everything
I have no flaws and no faults
I am the most immaculate image of a human one could conceive
and also very humble
spice surge
The humblest actually
balmy condor
shut up eleem I didn't ask for your opinion of me
when such a time would come (it won't)
and I do need your opinion (it's beneath me)
then I will ask you
haughty flicker
i too am extraordinarily humble
coral ibex
as i suspected
wittgenstein was a smart guy
i'll leave it at that
a simile is a simile for something
zinc frost
feel attacked by this
zinc frost
royal lantern
<:Cheesin:1004094333458317332>
ist schon inordnung brudi
primal parrot
zinc frost
ist schon inordnung brudi
test is faulty - it didn't teach me German. My graphs must be around the wrong way
stuck lodge
Ya'll holding CD's for execute phase?
frosty cedar
if I wont get another usage
frosty cedar
basically
stuck lodge
Also, do yall's cds line up super awkward on dreamrift?
coral ibex
you can also reverse a kb and dm/kb if it would put the dm/kb in execute
on heroic yes
on mythic its fine
coral ibex
yep gotta hold on heroic
frosty cedar
a little. I omit two/three globals from the opener so I can get a proper usage before he flies away, I just send the CD without envenoming first
stiff mural
So sin was bugged this whole time?
frosty cedar
it was a good bug tho
slate kraken
question about talents, do i take fetal concoction or secondary poisoning?
wow head says to take poisoning but when i checked top assa players they had fetal concoction
balmy condor
for what content
slate kraken
for what content
11+ and above
balmy condor
dungeons you take secondary
slate kraken
dungeons you take secondary
question why tho
isnt like 20% more nature dmg better for like longer fights?
balmy condor
it's not 20% more nature damage, it's 20% more poison damage
versus applying more
applying more just ends up being more damage
spice surge
20% more poison damage VS 35% or something more poison applications
stuck lodge
also 500ish hundred dmg
slate kraken
alrighty, thank you
rugged basalt
When vanish for impgarr now
rugged basalt
Mm okay ty
tidal shuttle
is this live already?
vale shore
one thing I have found irksome is when I am spreading my imp garrote to a crowd and one of them splashes back a non-imp garrote back onto my primary target, does this bug fix affect that, or do I just have to be more careful?
spice surge
It never splashed back any non-imp garrote
fallow canopy
afaik ct prioritizes longer duration gar so if its spreading non imp its because you refreshed
dim yacht
that sounds like it might have just been the tooltip bug on name plates
vale shore
https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-the-exact-words-of-the-text-citizen-mic...
The Rogue maximizes uptime, and thus damage, in melee through superior defensive cooldown usage, the non-rogue does not!
viscid spear
The Rogue maximizes uptime, and thus damage, in melee through superior defensive...
I'm from Silvermoon, and I say kill 'em all!
bright turret
What was the damage gain from the snapshot bug anyways
keen spruce
not tested yet
well someone smaked a dummy for a second but whispyr hasn't looked at it
also liquid about to kill this bird
balmy condor
well the damage gain doesn't exist anymore
and was only really present for about a week
bright turret
but i wanted to be a hyperbolic doomer about a .8% damage loss for a week
analog swan
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/pu...
im stealing that
u got more?
dreamy canyon
!tea
coral ibex
there's nothing to say about tea, its a completely passive effect
viscid spear
u got more?
severe meadow
I actually use all 3 stacks on pull so I don't have to worry about it
analog swan
HAHAHAAHAHA
severe meadow
dreamy canyon
there's nothing to say about tea, its a completely passive effect
The command used to have a macro that would prevent double pressing the button. Im looking for it so i can use it for another spec
analog swan
i love it
coral ibex
kind thorn
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use 13
192 pulls now, they got to 2%
analog swan
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+T...
wait deathmark works with box? i thought DM triggered GCD
analog swan
ill go online to check some of mine
i use /start attack or smth like that alot to make sure i dont stand there when left clicking mobs
#showtooltip Rupture
/targetenemy [noexists][dead][help]
/startattack
/cast Rupture
kingsbane
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/targetenemy [noexists][dead][help]
/startattack
/cast Kingsbane
/use Light's Potential
/use item:245898
/use item:245897
/use item:241308
/use item:241309
spice surge
You dont need startattack in your macros
Just pressing the buttons already does that
analog swan
just making sure i auto attack when i trigger skills with the adaptive targetting
analog swan
when its trash mobs or im hitting while pulling
viscid spear
analog swan
#showtooltip
/use Crimson Vial
/cast Evasion
/cast Cloak of Shadows
/cast feint
my "OH SHIT" button
just incase
young pebble
??? Bro what?
keen spruce
what's the point of showtooltip if you have 4 spells in the macro
analog swan
to see crimsonvial on it
frosty cedar
were back at it again are we
analog swan
hehehe
young pebble
viscid spear
these macros are deranged lmao
analog swan
pretend its all 1 skill that heals u, gives u 100% evasion , magic evasion and 40% damage reduction for when boss is at 1% hp and u need to burst it down and ur not sure what defensives u have up
balmy condor
but why
keen spruce
why don't you know what defensives you have up 
lyric ingot
Just learn what your defensives do and press accordingly
viscid spear
I was a big
/e puts a handful of dirt in your pocket
My Mage still yells "LAVOS SUS MANOS" when I cast Time Warp
keen spruce
My Mage still yells "LAVOS SUS MANOS" when I cast Time Warp
👐
keen spruce
I'm pretty sure the only macros I used were mouseovers for m+ and a potion/trinket/DM macro
maybe like a focus kick or somethin
keen spruce
mfer i'm delayed
analog swan
195 pulls
keen spruce
u fuk
analog swan
thats ur problem now isnt it?
keen spruce
they're just abotu to get to 2nd burn
analog swan
ur in a live broadcast
analog swan
thats ur problem now isnt it?
damn
analog swan
viscid spear
keen spruce
normal mist
Shh
drifting cloud
lucid rune
garrote snapshots with trinkets and shi-?
what's or is it dynamic? just looking at the bug fix
lucid rune
ty dad
analog swan
see you in a month now
humble verge
im not gonna do
analog swan
ur job is done
humble verge
another key over 10
severe meadow
now it's dynamic again
Any funny talent swaps?
balmy condor
probably not
fallow canopy
GL pookie
hardy dagger
Damn they where really quick to fix snaphotting bug
gilded oasis
hasty quail
hey getting my third piece of crafted myth armor, and i am thinking belt, i ahve arcano weave adn dark sigil hunt as embelishments, i cant get a third correct? or if I can what should I go with
severe meadow
no third
hasty quail
can i still craft a third piece tho right. just cant get an embelishment
severe meadow
ye
hasty quail
ty
analog swan
you guys use Draught of Rampant Abandon?
analog swan
ive been using lights potential so im not even sure how often u have to deal with the silence and if it annoying for a assa rogue
i tried didnt spawn
severe meadow
The silence can be hyper annoying
analog swan
now im waiting 5min
spice surge
You need to be in combat
analog swan
i wont use it, ill try again to see what it does tho
royal hazel
!ui
prisma monolithBOT
Resources:
ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
(Jundies Profile)
(Whispyr's Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement
royal hazel
does bettercdm work with arcui?
analog swan
You need to be in combat
noted, ill check it out
ok i got 1 spawn in the 30sec window
damn kinda tempted to play around it
visual bloom
How large of a buff is this bug fix to sin?
balmy condor
no clue what the tooltip does
tooltips are just dogshit idk
there's no fixing that
balmy condor
yep
nothing changes
you just can move your vanish around a bit
cause you're not required to vanish after box anymore
lucid rune
regarding implacable optimization, if we're getting tons of energy, do we still let it drop at 80 every time? even it means we, lets say, have 5 combo points and big bleeds up. do we overcap on combo points with a muti? or on energy and let it drop
balmy condor
if you're going to waste the energy from implacable, you ignore it
and you just keep pressing finishers on 5
severe meadow
and you just keep pressing finishers on 5
I'll finish you on 5 buddy
balmy condor
counting down from 5?
severe meadow
You know it
granite sentinel
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
coral ibex
ive found if you get to 5 cp and you have more than 80 energy you can envenom next gcd generally
balmy condor
what if I only have 35 energy
analog swan
the answer to beat beloren was to bench the rogue 🥀
main solar
Anyone else noticing puzzle box's CD behaving strangely? I'll use it and then DM right after, but DM ends up coming off CD first.
zealous moth
is there any way to macro box and dm together?
severe meadow
no
lucid rune
if you're going to waste the energy from implacable, you ignore it
what about if you can refresh rupture just outside of pandemic window lol
is that worth?
balmy condor
no
there is one thing you do with implacable, and one thing only
which is not refreshing envenom when you hit 80 stacks, given you will not overcap energy in the process
misty holly
Will CT spread iron wire now?
severe meadow
no lol
misty holly
I dont think its a bad question, we had that spread last 2 expansions, and they just fixed a bug with spreading
thought it was possible
zealous moth
bc iron wire is on garrote cast from stealth
unless you are taking subterfuge
you are not applying garrote from stealth if you are using ct
lucid rune
is aoe blind gonna be an auto pick in m+?
balmy condor
I dont think its a bad question, we had that spread last 2 expansions, and they ...
well the notes were specifically for improved garrote, but also iron wire not spreading was a conscious decision they made and not a bug
so it would be weird to hotfix something unrelated, which is intended
so like, I guess it's possible if you squint hard enough
I see the vision
fallow canopy
its abstract art
zealous moth
Does that fix mean it is no longer snapshot?
coral ibex
yep
zealous moth
Oh so ive been vanishing after dm for nothing :(
severe meadow
you can kinda vanish whenever
coral ibex
for like maybe a few hrs
zealous moth
So many vanishes wasted blizzard give me back my money!
balmy condor
I mean, you were vanishing after dm for something
they just happened to fix the reason why you were doing that after ~6 days
zealous moth
Oh yeah for mid pull situations
balmy condor
yeh, fix just means you can vanish before box if you want
zealous moth
So without stealth go vanish > garrote > box > dm > kb
Makes sense
rupture envenom before of course
balmy condor
you can, yeh
doesn't really make much of a difference
which is why the fix isn't a dps difference
it's just more comfortable on openers and you don't have to force it
zealous moth
yeah makes sense
severe meadow
our boss damage is insane lol
coral ibex
thorn thorn
severe meadow
this fight is gonna blow
Need Atroph..
coral ibex
solar wyvern
I havent pulled since week 1 haha
thorn thorn
Your aug is a pumper
solar wyvern
My parse wins!
coral ibex
yea he's da goat
thorn thorn
coral ibex
he ripped a fuck my chungus life on kill
solar wyvern
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fCKad7HF4nQjYG68?fight=21&type=damage-done
Where is... secondary and poison bomb...
Bro??
solar wyvern
U can do BOTH
balmy condor
execute or something
thorn thorn
skibidi execute
coral ibex
Where is... secondary and poison bomb...
oh
its because i'm stupid
i didn't apply my talent import
gg
latent kernel
Boomies are statpadding kings this tier
balmy condor
im the GOAT
cope
severe meadow
im the GOAT
The goat on Paladins..
severe meadow
GOAT DOWN
fallow canopy
dragons down 
coral ibex
we're discussing what is front left
keen spruce
we're discussing what is front left
the ol' "left and right on a circular platform" discussion
zealous moth
you havent been raiding long if you havent seen a 0
nope, started on nerubar
drifting cloud
that someone is me
fallow canopy
shmeowdy the 🐐
zealous moth
colors are gay, gray is goated
keen spruce
ilvl parse cuz I was in levelling greens
zealous moth
gray parses >>>
keen spruce
1 out of 1 baby
fallow canopy
voidorbs were getting schlurped by everyone else 
storm zinc
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
keen spruce
voidorbs were getting schlurped by everyone else <:sadgers:1022526082278248631>
shlurpin
balmy condor
voidorbs were getting schlurped by everyone else <:sadgers:1022526082278248631>
I have a surv in my raid
Orbs do not exist
