assassination

[warm vortex]

He fucking pumps with survival

Inhuman

Omg lam

This entire time i thought your pfp was a really REALLY out of shape psyduck

Nw i only noticed it's a cat

[storm forum]

cause if anyone is actually playing DS I wanna give them a medal

[versed mica]

Based, he knows what he's talking about

[storm forum]

.....

[warm vortex]

cause it's not been high rez for me

[cinder mountain]

Whispyr is preparing doctoral disertation on this one

Cant wait

[storm forum]

buddy its a rabbit

[warm vortex]

Omg it is

It's almost 1 am man im so eepy

[dusky granite]

Keen to read it, it’s not going to be based on M+ experience though

[warm vortex]

Could be a response to my message about how assa feels to play

tbh

[storm forum]

go to sleep rodent

[severe meadow]

M+ andies gotta be the worst bro

[zinc frost]

Ok now your clearly just baiting

[haughty flicker]

he is a master at it

[warm vortex]

Meh
could be just annoyed that people don't agree with him

Bel

shadow priest sucks big stinky balls in m+

[static glacier]

Only answer for this would be padding smallies that insta die- but that doesn’t matter anyways, I think people are ignoring how much more damage envenom does now compared to tww in keys

[warm vortex]

or maybe im undergeared

but like comparing it to my SV i feel mega doo dootier

[haughty flicker]

uh

ive been doing ok

[balmy condor]

Lets look at every situation imaginable cause idk how else to get through to you:

• 1t boss -> significantly stronger because you're not suffering without envenom talents
• boss with adds -> you're still doing funnel, and you're getting the benefits of 1t boss gains
• low target cleave -> your bleeds are spread faster, with no stealth requirements, you don't have to spend cp on tempest and can just envenom instead
• aoe -> you're again able to spread bleeds faster and more consistently, and you still have near full energy, finish the job is 10% all damage now compared to legit zero before, apex talent is uncapped aoe
• funnel -> still strong on deathstalker and singular focus since a lot of the damage shifted into rup/gar in aoe
• general prio dam -> also strong because of how hard envenom/kb hits compared to tww
• hero talent balance is better too, if you don't have a dungeon with giga prio, fatebound is stronger than assa has been in lower target aoe, while still being able to aoe, you legit only lose funnel from singular

legit the only thing you can point to as being "worse" is not having infinite energy in aoe, which got compensated with how much stronger envenom is, or complaining about no bleed from CT, 70-80% of which got baked directly into rupture/garrote

[haughty flicker]

the aoe is a bit lower than other classes though yeah

but next week

holy

[storm forum]

shadow sucks big stinky balls just cause of how inconsistent tentacle slam has been for me

[warm vortex]

Same w sv

[haughty flicker]

yeah tentacle slam is annoying

[warm vortex]

it's getting a buff

:)

[haughty flicker]

they need a choice node to let you ground target it

[warm vortex]

also added another potential 99 to my collection

[storm forum]

i love slamming it on a stationary pack and the main target gets a 20% power madness and nothing else takes damage

[dusky granite]

So, in theory?

[balmy condor]

no?

that's just how it is

[severe meadow]

Those are all real

Having done a +2 or a +20 still makes it real

Key level doesn't change any of it

[warm vortex]

Also
Whispyr why does it say "2" at the top of the guide page

I'm kinda confused

[latent kernel]

nightblade transmog S tier

[fleet pagoda]

sorry random question about the most recent pin, do I only need to worry about the snapshotting if I have imp garrote?

[static glacier]

From my own testing in 10-12s at 265 on both sin and PL sv I’d say they both feel okay, or was this about spriest feeling bad?

[warm vortex]

About spriest

Not played sin

[static glacier]

Try it, it’s pretty fun

[storm forum]

try fatebound*

DS sucks a pile of dicks imo

[fleet pagoda]

only asking because the pin specifies "during the imp garrote window" so assumed so

[static glacier]

DS is fine too tbh

[warm vortex]

At least you can contrl where the mark goes

[balmy condor]

@solar wyvern hey man, you were top 10 rogues in tww and multi-season m+ title right, can you do me a favor and copy paste this to silly? He seems to have selective blindness and will only read things when presented by someone with a big e-cock

[warm vortex]

imagine a hero tree where you had an important mark function and it went on random targets

that would be kinda stinky haha

But blizzard would NEVER do that right

[serene basin]

hey guys, are we facing some disturbing bottom of the details events?

[storm forum]

im sure DS damage is fine, but it feels like shit to play with mark sometimes and it feels starved for resources way more than fb but maybe im just bad.

[static glacier]

What situation you talking?

[warm vortex]

Mhmm
facing a disturbing bottom

[serene basin]

like bottom dps

[dusky granite]

No, Assassination is better now than any time in recent memory

[static glacier]

Yes, in what content

[rare stone]

That’s a mirror

[serene basin]

raid

[warm vortex]

It depends

[static glacier]

Your boss dmg is v good, aoe is difficult - stuff is spread, doesn’t live long and others kill it faster than you can

[warm vortex]

Do you mean bottom as in numerically
or bottom as in submissive
because in that way assassination has always been a bottom dps

like most people here probably weigh around 60KG and are like 5'6 if i had to guess

[balmy condor]

raid design is legit awful for assa to try and pad aoe damage

[serene basin]

ever since im playing sin, i have managed to be at least mid to top in the dmg

in either raid or m+

but this time, i cant even scratch the top 6

[severe meadow]

I weigh about 64kg ty

[warm vortex]

While the tuning is towards the bottom end when you are taking other specs into comparison
but tbh assa rogue is still completly viable and can be played if you do the rota properly

[storm forum]

I feel fine in raid, like we're behind the good ranged that do our job but they're ranged and tuned better, but that's just kind of how it always is? And when the fury warrior beats me I switch to boss damage and huff some copium.

[warm vortex]

It's a bit silly assassination didn't get a buff though

Like hell shadow priest got a buff

But assa didn't

[storm forum]

surely tomorrow

[warm vortex]

What utter hooligans are typing away

[serene basin]

im really upset about the spec

[warm vortex]

Upsec?

[serene basin]

its my fav ever

[storm forum]

they could always add some extra lines to the patch

it's not live yet

[warm vortex]

I've said it before if they bring back blindside and maybe brush up that old Deathmark execute idea i'd be latched onto the spec like glue

[versed mica]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: since DF, it almost feels like blizzard uses AI to determine tuning numbers. Some of their tuning just doesn't seem logical and almost seems random at times

[warm vortex]

You haven't looked at tuning at all then

[serene basin]

mhmm

[balmy condor]

bring back blindside?

[warm vortex]

Tuning was great in TWW

[balmy condor]

where did it go

[warm vortex]

I mean

[storm forum]

we play blindside though?

[warm vortex]

Blindside

Not this temu version

The og execute one

[serene basin]

im at 258 and can even maintain 60k dps

[balmy condor]

what og one

the one from like

cata?

[versed mica]

For rogue it was. For some other classes it was weird lmao

[storm forum]

i don't know if i was alive back then

[warm vortex]

the one that was an actual button

[balmy condor]

oh hell naw

[warm vortex]

Neither was i
But im full of shit and am more drawn to cool ideas than actual practice

[serene basin]

tww was fine for us sin rogues

[warm vortex]

and i also speak around 2 minutes before i think about what im saying

[balmy condor]

more buttons

[warm vortex]

TWW was good overall

[balmy condor]

[warm vortex]

Yea

[serene basin]

the dmg was ok, and you performed accordingly with your class knowleadge and gear

[warm vortex]

More buttons are good
Need to have a reason to buy a foot pedal

I loved shiv in tww

[serene basin]

but NOW?

[warm vortex]

Shoutout to my goat

[serene basin]

its utter dog shit

[severe meadow]

A friend of ours bought a foot pedal only for voice to unmute

[warm vortex]

That's

[storm forum]

i can't wait to bind mark in the .5 patch

[warm vortex]

holy fuck that's actualy a super good idea

i need one for that

[versed mica]

It's just undertuned, it's okay

[balmy condor]

that's it?

[severe meadow]

yup

[balmy condor]

insane

[warm vortex]

Whispyr you're a yapper and a half

[storm forum]

my raid lead and tank and some other people in my guild do that too

[warm vortex]

you'd understand the reasoning for one

!racesim

[serene basin]

welp, since i got very little time to play

[balmy condor]

sadly

[serene basin]

ill be rerolling

[warm vortex]

i'm happily a yapper

[serene basin]

:/

[storm forum]

and they've done it (the foot pedal for vc) for longer than ive been around too

[warm vortex]

Meh
Only if you don't enjoy assassination

if you still find it fun i'd 100% reccomend playing

[balmy condor]

nahhh

[warm vortex]

but if not then yea i get you

[severe meadow]

okay push to talk

wording bad

[static glacier]

Bro, let’s be real for a moment - they didn’t just nerf energy without offering compensation, our envenoms are a ton stronger and we’re no longer suffering from being gated behind stealth to effectively spread bleeds for energy economy. The counterpoint is that we no longer have sudden demise + old CT which used to snipe a lot of damage and effectively pad overall with meaningless damage (the mobs die to spatter / passive cleave from others anyway) the overall dps for sin is relatively lower than in tww but we contribute a lot better to timing keys through insanely better boss dmg (id say we’re deffo in the upper 30% of st dps in keys now) having a much better time target switching (caustic setup is gone) and we absolutely don’t need restealths anymore (not that we NEEDED them before, it just helped) - getting them before could cost your team time. Is the spec slower in aoe? Yes - is the dmg profile less into aoe and moreso on your target? Yes (lower caustic ratio / much bigger envenoms). In a way it feels worse for me to play since I really enjoyed demise and shiv + blindside gives dopamine / but if we’re being honest this version is genuinely just an upgrade even if it doesn’t absolutely destroy overall while doing no boss dmg - if you want that arms atm I think fills the great aoe no ST niche

[versed mica]

By the time you reroll they might buff it lmao

[balmy condor]

25 dollar push to talk

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

[balmy condor]

is insane

[warm vortex]

If you want a good class reccomendation @serene basin Survival hunter is a veryt rfun spec

It's got daggers too

And also you get to tame a pet

[serene basin]

yeah the melee hunter doesnt get my vote

[coral ibex]

bro thats like the third wall of text in 30 mins

wtf is going on in here

[serene basin]

i got my MM huntert

[coral ibex]

[warm vortex]

You aren't a fun human being

[severe meadow]

Tbh I think it's some baiting

[warm vortex]

Who wants to play fartsman hunter

[balmy condor]

we do a little bit of denying reality

[warm vortex]

smh my head

[balmy condor]

either that or insanely dedicated trolling

[serene basin]

i mean, u love mm hunter besides the overtune

[severe meadow]

well you're not a multi m+ title enjoyer, so you must not know the class

[storm forum]

wait it's only $25?

i gotta get one

[warm vortex]

Bruh
I play all hunter specs and they are fun but MM is the lamest one

[spice surge]

I am but thats not sufficient either

[serene basin]

the explosions from the last seasons got me good

[spice surge]

[warm vortex]

you saw bombs and lotsa pets and though

[balmy condor]

I assume he didn't buy an 800 dollar haptic feedback racing sim pedal

[warm vortex]

hmm yes

gumb

[balmy condor]

yeah you have a bunch of m+ titles but like, you're the sub guy

[warm vortex]

Imagine being xal's foot pedal

[storm forum]

the cheap one was like $65 when I last checked
-# (like 3 years ago)

[static glacier]

I’m prone to writing walls, it’s how I think 🙁

[versed mica]

As a treat?

[spice surge]

Fair ive literally never played assa for any of them

[serene basin]

you got to play on the 3rd and 4th season from tww?

[spice surge]

(this is a lie, its actually mostly assa)

[dusky granite]

I had to look this up. I finished ahead of Charrend in half of the seasons since Tier 29. And, he’s playing Sub right now. So, I don’t know that this landed.

[warm vortex]

What

you mean the 2nd and the 3rd

[serene basin]

MM hunter

[balmy condor]

[warm vortex]

If so, it was fucking horrible

[balmy condor]

good for you man

happy

[static glacier]

This is giga bad faith, no one said sin is better than sub

[warm vortex]

There was so much RNG baked into the spec

S2 was LnL proc hell

and S3 was literally a slot machine

your procs had to proc

like ?!?!?

[dusky granite]

I think we did though?

[serene basin]

hm? i mean about the volley and explosive shot one

[warm vortex]

Also he's just ragebaiting lmao ignore him

What

so
season 3, pre 4 set

yea that one was hella fun

[static glacier]

Share it with me, I’ve not read the entire convo I don’t think

[balmy condor]

your entire argument was that assa was worse than it was in tww

who tf said anything about sub

[warm vortex]

sadly there was basically 0 time to play it due to how overtuned the new set bonus was

[dusky granite]

?

[balmy condor]

yes, sub does no prio

[dusky granite]

I was talking about high keys and Sin won’t be able to keep up

[fleet whale]

is the forgotten farstrider insignia from the world boss good?

[balmy condor]

no

[warm vortex]

Very, if it rolls the right stat

oh

ig it's diffrent for assassination then]

[spice surge]

I mean for its ilvl its fine, but like

Its not high ilvl

[balmy condor]

yeh

[severe meadow]

He spent 21$, he sent me the link to it

[warm vortex]

Ye

[fleet whale]

i mean i had two 233 trinkets prior

[static glacier]

That isn’t saying sin is better, just that BP spam while impressive on overall isn’t anything special for timing keys (since other specs do the whole mass aoe thing better anyway)

[warm vortex]

can you get iton heroic

from the vault

[fleet whale]

so ilvl wise it's quite a bit higher

compared to what i have

[storm forum]

tbh I think I might've been looking at the fancy like streamer setup ones

[dusky granite]

Do you see how absurd this all is? Sin is better now, but worse than Sub, but Sub is garbage.

[spice surge]

Excuse me sir, can you not read

[fleet whale]

btw it rolled mastery and leech for me

[warm vortex]

THat's hot

[static glacier]

To be fair with you I’d argue all rogue specs are average to below average in keys, and it’s got more to do with non dmg issues tbf

[balmy condor]

this has got to be bait

[storm forum]

should i do the world boss before reset?

[severe meadow]

correct

[warm vortex]

This is probably Quake's alt account

[static glacier]

Losing the aoe stop until .5 hurts

[warm vortex]

tbh, i haven't seen him and quake in the same room before

so it could be

[severe meadow]

Yeah, where's Tryan..

He's awfully quiet..

[warm vortex]

TRUE

[static glacier]

Other than that we can’t just forget that we don’t bring a super good group buff like mark or windfury or lust

[versed mica]

It can't be bait, he's a top 10 rogue didn't you hear??

[dusky granite]

Only half

[balmy condor]

I don't understand the fascination of showing up, making an argument and then just either ignoring every counterpoint or flat out denying the views of experts

who is getting something out of this

[static glacier]

If were to be considered competitive we would need to compete with warlocks and dks on raw damage (other no group buff classes) - and atm I’m not sure we do

[warm vortex]

and hunters

[storm forum]

me, i get a distraction from reality

[warm vortex]

God im typing in such a zesy maner atm

jsut noticed

[keen mantle]

rogue is meta chill

[balmy condor]

gonna need to see some identification sir

[drifting cloud]

hes a dk main

cant be trusted

[warm vortex]

Holy shit is that the guy from twitch

[keen mantle]

sec

[static glacier]

I’ve not been super impressed by MM atm, burst is very good but it seems to not do great mass aoe, sv is consistent all round but not outstanding in any area imo. Not see bm yet so no comment

[dusky granite]

Man, I made one comment about TWW AoE energy and its interaction with funnel viability in high keys last season

[keen mantle]

we depleted after

only proof i have

that its meta

[balmy condor]

okay

[static glacier]

I was under the impression unholy kinda slapped mass aoe

[keen mantle]

uncomparable st

too

[lucid silo]

fake news. photo shopped. etc

[keen mantle]

like assa too good

[runic hinge]

you're running tricks? crazy work tbh

[keen mantle]

btw

btw

whispyr

[warm vortex]

btw

[keen mantle]

i simmed today

[balmy condor]

tricks for the aggro transfer during the 2s puzzle box channel

[keen mantle]

ds sims the same with 20k more prio target

what about that

teach me

[balmy condor]

yeah that sounds about right

[keen mantle]

hmm

susspicious activities

by deathstalker police

singular focus working btw? no cap im asking seriously

[lucid silo]

if only deathstalker was fun

[warm vortex]

That is the first time i've ever seen someone spell suspicious with 4 s

i'm a fan

[balmy condor]

if by working you mean it does what its supposed to, yes

if by working you mean it works with caustic, no

[warm vortex]

At least you can control where the mark goes

trust me it could be a lot worse

[keen mantle]

ok

thanks

[balmy condor]

np

academy 17 when

[lucid silo]

is there still the bug where sometimes mark would just disappear

[warm vortex]

Unsure

I was referring to sentinel survival

[keen mantle]

academy 17 too hard

[balmy condor]

yes but they've been slowly getting rid of them

[storm forum]

how gigabis does DS become in keys if they make it work with caustic and no compensation nerfs?

[warm vortex]

Because sentinel is unplayable due to the mark bugging and going on things other than your primary target

[runic hinge]

im saying ds funnel will be the cope in the .5 patch

[warm vortex]

So it can just sit itself on an invinicble mob

[lucid silo]

its only been how many years

[warm vortex]

How about this

[storm forum]

i think it's the cope now

[balmy condor]

not actually that much better tbh, the funnel would just get better to the point where things don't live your cds 1-2 key levels higher

[solar wyvern]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[lucid silo]

remember that time we lost aoe blind for no reason and they decided to give us it back in the .5 patch for some reason

[solar wyvern]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

gotcha bud

😉

[keen mantle]

let me see

[warm vortex]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[balmy condor]

perfect

[keen mantle]

does sub or assa have bigger prio tho

[spice surge]

Thanks for illuminating me charrend

[keen mantle]

cause i might leaving this channel here

[warm vortex]

Charrand i can imagine your pfp coming out of the mountains to say that as his ancient proverb

[balmy condor]

[keen mantle]

swapping to the good spec

[lucid silo]

prio is irrelevant if number bigger

[keen mantle]

oh

26k ahead on 10 targets

assa cooking

[balmy condor]

sub prio

where?

[keen mantle]

deathstalker thought its yuge

[spice surge]

You can do some more prio without losing much overall as sub

[keen mantle]

but its poopoo

[warm vortex]

I am legit confused whats i cant go outside i have agoraphobia im stuck in a bubble with black out lights and a door with no door knob and i have my own toilet and food is brought to me i havent left the house in 6 years

[balmy condor]

yeah but assa can do that too

[spice surge]

Like using one strike per dance, making sure you apex coup

[keen mantle]

ye assa just does it better

issue tho is

that sub is 20k more st

PROBLEMS EVERYWHERE

[warm vortex]

How about this

[keen mantle]

give me sth in the middle plz

[warm vortex]

just play outlaw

[balmy condor]

outlaw surely

[keen mantle]

im afraid

[lucid silo]

best i can do is 4% aura buff

[keen mantle]

to play outlaw

[spice surge]

Checks out

Outlaw in the middle

[balmy condor]

it's thematic

just don't pull more than 8

[buoyant herald]

Blizzard tuning by alphabetical order

[keen mantle]

you guys mean combat?

[dusky granite]

Thank you for the more reasonable take.

[lucid silo]

honestly bring back combat

[solar wyvern]

i didnt read anything but i will say that assa is a SLEEPER pick rn and anyone who thinks otherwise is just not knower

amen

[balmy condor]

survival rotation just got leaked

[warm vortex]

You weren't meant to see that

[lucid silo]

one sec let me ask claude what the best spec is

[keen mantle]

i heard survivals eating outlaw dmg

[warm vortex]

I can't reveal my secrets

[keen mantle]

you guys believe it?

[lucid silo]

claude says play sub

[balmy condor]

no clue

I played outlaw with survival in group

and did shit damage

but I assumed that's cause I'm shit

[warm vortex]

Yea you didn't do that much

[keen mantle]

ok last question for the day

[warm vortex]

Jkjk

[keen mantle]

with snapshot optimisations how much dps we gain

[balmy condor]

compared to playing it wrong or compared to it not snapshotting

[keen mantle]

ye like lets say i ignored it

cause im dogshit at the game

[balmy condor]

1,5

[lucid silo]

1,5 what

[keen mantle]

thats huge number

[balmy condor]

gorrilionity bajillion damage

[lucid silo]

is it 1 or 5

[severe meadow]

1,5 DN

[lucid silo]

you used a comma

[storm forum]

that's not enough for me to not ignore it

[lucid silo]

deeze nuts idiot

[balmy condor]

yeah, casual is a comma user

I think at least

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/nut-button-nuts-deez-nutz-press-button-gif-15910980

[balmy condor]

america is lowkey the only place that uses period as a decimal right

[solar wyvern]

How exactly does this snapshot work

is it when the IG buff is activated or when its appleid

[balmy condor]

when you press garrote, that's the damage it does forever

[static glacier]

The fact you guys call it period is unacceptable

[solar wyvern]

oh okay

ye simple as

[balmy condor]

you basically do the same thing

but burn vanish after box

[lucid silo]

sorry cant hear you over the imperial system

[warm vortex]

So if i press it at level 41 or something it will always do like 5 damage

am i doomed

[static glacier]

When giving numbers on snapshot - is this assuming maghar or another race

[keen mantle]

the closest i have to a comma is me reading patch notes

ngl

[warm vortex]

What the fuck is an america

[balmy condor]

[buoyant herald]

It’s actually “a” America thanks

[warm vortex]

How

[lucid silo]

i forgot maga orcs existed

[storm forum]

do you think any of the other rogues in my guild will check the pins or can i keep this tech secret to do 1.5% more dam than them?

[static glacier]

Idk it snapshots stats - one race juices stats on a cooldown that matches vanish

[warm vortex]

Like is that actuality or is it some strange ramblings that have never been true

[warm vortex]

Ohter roguers

i thought there were only like 2 who played this game

[balmy condor]

sure I guess

[warm vortex]

Just roll mechagnome

[balmy condor]

I think I always do bis on orc

[lucid silo]

1.5 is a rounding error

[balmy condor]

so probably that

[warm vortex]

And get the stacking primary stat

[storm forum]

there's three and they all play on a small barely CE NA whisperwind guild

[warm vortex]

idk if it's good for assa tho

i just know for SV it is

[static glacier]

I’m fairly sure snapshot will be a bigger gain on maghar / orc (if attack powder is snapshotted too, I’m assuming so) than others

[balmy condor]

I can go check

[static glacier]

Troll is haste % not rating so idk

[warm vortex]

Is there a race sim footer for assassinatio

[keen mantle]

so i get no gain

fk

[balmy condor]

yeah it's orc

bad casual

[lucid silo]

one sec ill run the numbers by asking claude to run the numbers

[warm vortex]

Nono

[balmy condor]

does claude have m+ title

[warm vortex]

Idk do you

[balmy condor]

shit

am I claude

[lucid silo]

i gave claude code access to my wow account and its 3k

[warm vortex]

the thot plickens

[storm forum]

i cant believe whispyr's real name is claude

[warm vortex]

What if we just made this place into a guild wars discord

[drifting cloud]

he wishes his real name was claude

[storm forum]

we tried that with maplestory but i think most of us quit

[balmy condor]

my real name is far more cringe

[severe meadow]

Better chance at maplestory discord

[lucid silo]

whispyr's real name is agentic.AI

[warm vortex]

Idk it's probably something german like Theo or something

is that german

Idk sounds german

[balmy condor]

close

you got zero letters

[drifting cloud]

clue for the day: n

[warm vortex]

ok

[runic hinge]

hey thats my future guild

[static glacier]

Settle down Harold

[warm vortex]

so under that logic

_ _

is that ur nam

[static glacier]

😂

[warm vortex]

_ _

[static glacier]

I’m fairly sure I’ve seen whips name a while back

Forgot it tho

[warm vortex]

Don't tell me it's fucking hans

I will leave this discord

that is the cringiest german name

i can think of

[sand elm]

how much haste % does the berserkers rage enchant give?

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure its linked in the pin

[warm vortex]

What

Oh

I thought you meant your nam

e

[severe meadow]

bro said Hans as if H wasn't in the first name

and he said 0 letters

[warm vortex]

Shut

[drifting cloud]

[warm vortex]

your fat pie hole

jayson

[static glacier]

Hey impgar

[warm vortex]

Or ill shut it for you 😳

[storm forum]

go to sleep

[warm vortex]

Ok

[severe meadow]

wrong

[past bobcat]

Wait with garrote snapshotting does that means sin is simming more than sub :0

[balmy condor]

I think it's like roughly 3%?

probably not

[drifting cloud]

dont worry definetly emergency buffs coming on monday

[bitter solar]

They'll fix the snapshot bug before you can expect any type of buff

[jade abyss]

Whats wrong with hans

[lucid silo]

i bet we dont get any real tuning until .5

[severe meadow]

And that tuning is Blind being AoE again

[balmy condor]

he's that dipshit that fucked gretel

[lucid silo]

i still cant understand the decision to take that away lmao

[severe meadow]

Yeah, who knows

[fathom flax]

Love Max laughing at rogues on stream

😎

[lucid silo]

Max is kinda a goomba

[storm forum]

is he actually laughing at us or is this engagement bait?

[severe meadow]

I slid him a 5$ bill, little shout out so we can get some tuning

[jade abyss]

Okay thats a valid point

[fathom flax]

Yeah we gotta sling zorthas some cash money

Any video he makes seems to get addressed

[sand elm]

im using the primary stat weapon enchants and i know u said they sim basically the same but wondering if the haste proc would be any better for energy regen to make the rotation smoother if even a little

[bitter solar]

[balmy condor]

I subbed to liquid armory for the most up to date information about my class and pov's for all the fights

[balmy condor]

you wouldn't notice it proccing in any situation

[severe meadow]

even if, you wouldn't notice it

[storm forum]

you need like 10% haste for 1 more env cast per min or something, it's not very noticeable

[fathom flax]

Got to see 1 fight, worth

[severe meadow]

I think we saw it, but not the kill, yeah? xd

[balmy condor]

that's worth doing my part ot support a billion dollar corporation

[severe meadow]

I think we would've seen Alleria if Atroph worked on more shit

[lucid silo]

doubt

[severe meadow]

lemme cope bro

[balmy condor]

p3 having simuls is just death tbh

[lucid silo]

they basically built all the fights out of making rogue irrelevant

[storm forum]

atroph should make spatter and fan/ct also splash it on our allies so they take 3% reduced damage

[haughty flicker]

if it makes you feel better

im having a lot of fun

[balmy condor]

maybe the encounter designer is just indirectly forcing a rogue rework

thoughts

maybe we have a guy on the inside

[lucid silo]

how many reworks can we get before they get it right??

[balmy condor]

(am I doing this whole conspiracy theory thing correct?)

[lucid silo]

rogue has been reworked like 5 times in 3 expacs

[bitter solar]

Just make it an aura at this point and call it prot aura or something idk

[severe meadow]

You didn't doom for several hours before

[balmy condor]

crucial step missing, mb

[balmy condor]

was just df season 3, no?

[storm forum]

yeah but how funny would it be to need to manually hit all ur allies with fan pre-pull?
-# holy fuck that would be so annoying

[lucid silo]

well didnt we get a rework for DF, and then s3, then in TWW

[balmy condor]

everything got a rework in df though

that was just

how it works

[haughty flicker]

did we get a rework in tww

[static glacier]

Nah, conspiracy doesn’t have enough of a narrative pull

[haughty flicker]

i dont really think so

just hero talents

which i wish we hadnt gotten but

[balmy condor]

yeah I don't remember a rework in tww

[static glacier]

You need to paint a more compelling picture

[jade abyss]

Df was the last

[sand elm]

cool. ill stick with what i have then

[lucid silo]

i think i blocked out tww

bleed spreading being bound to stealth caused me too much mental pain

[spice surge]

Yeah its time assa gets a rework so it can have haste breakpoints too

[jade abyss]

Remember season one df with exsang

[spice surge]

Kinda weird that its the only rogue spec without it

[lucid silo]

remember when rupture did more damage on sub than sin

[severe meadow]

Yeah, when I first started playing rogue with no info on it, in my head I was like "Oh I bet haste is good for bleeds and poisons"

I was so wrong

[balmy condor]

yeh sorry, 1.8% to everything > 1% to some things

[jade abyss]

Remember when sub aoe was storm into black powder oh wait

[lucid silo]

df s1 sub was a vibe and no one can convince me otherwise

[static glacier]

I think once upon a time you might have been right, like in ancient wow

[severe meadow]

I played Hunter from TBC until uh, BFA?

And then swapped to Rogue for PvP

Shadowlands I quit

[balmy condor]

that explains a lot

[severe meadow]

unfortunately

[static glacier]

Ngl this current sub feels similar but shadow blades is real now and our dmg is actually in dance not gloomblade

[jade abyss]

In my opinion df was having funny trinkets like boon torch and beacon

[severe meadow]

TWW was my very first raid tier as Rogue

[lucid silo]

torch and beacon were fun

[static glacier]

They were super powerful

[jade abyss]

And wethstone

[static glacier]

I think trinkets since then have been significantly weaker

[lucid silo]

whetstone and that ring from court of the stars

[balmy condor]

trinkets got nerfed to make space for hero talents sadly

[static glacier]

Weaker every tier since, grief and boon were better than beacon

[bitter solar]

Blizz to cowardly to make damage trinkets great again

[severe meadow]

God that reminds me of that one trinket that would one shot people in PvP open world

I can't remember the name of it now

[jade abyss]

I will always remember when my healer was people let die on purpose in lfr to give me grieftorch resets

[storm forum]

drestagath's something?

[jade abyss]

But beacon was a big BOOM

[severe meadow]

p sure it was this mf

[solar wyvern]

wait i just saw this thats so fuckign funny haha

[balmy condor]

that was legion

[severe meadow]

ye, I'm old, mind doesn't work anymore

[solar wyvern]

bro i started playing the game in s29 ICANT

[severe meadow]

(30)

[balmy condor]

he's got the player card man

[storm forum]

to be fair i said a bfa trinket

[severe meadow]

Legion and BFA were a bit of a blur for me, I didn't really enjoy them that much

[jade abyss]

Best thing in legion was the 100% master assassincrit from shoulders

[static glacier]

Legion was so peak, I’d rewind time to play it over and over if I could

[severe meadow]

I don't think I played it enough to really enjoy it or something

Because me not liking it is usually a hot take

[dusky granite]

I don’t know, man, it wasn’t intended to be an insult, it’s just weird name-dropping someone like that

[fathom flax]

Then the nerfed talent version

Which was further nerfed because of PvP

In fact in saying that I wonder how much of rogue pve has been hamstrung because of PvP

[balmy condor]

incredibly little probably

[severe meadow]

They are usually balanced differently

Imagine if it wasn't

[jade abyss]

Poison bomb in big pulls in legion

[severe meadow]

erm.. your BiS list has Zerkers as best but I simmed better with something else.. update guide???

[balmy condor]

[severe meadow]

I'm bored man, I have no set up until Tuesday

Just sitting here simming like a chud

[fathom flax]

This could be my one and done assassination week, guild is asking questions and it’s easier to capitulate than argue haha

[cunning needle]

sorry i just really wanted to repost that when you said simming

[severe meadow]

Real

Actually really funny

[fathom flax]

Also being in g1 for m chim is dogshit I get shot in the air and swap to adds during cds

[cunning needle]

it's even worse if you have a puzzle box

the timings for that fight

are like

1-2 seconds off

and it fucks up your cadance so much

[fathom flax]

Oh boy do I have news for you

276 box haver

But yeah I perv’d your log and it looks fun fun

https://raider.io/characters/us/frostmourne/Orrockk

[sand elm]

isnt this that guy who was here yesterday who simmed more than whispyr

[cunning needle]

if youre a second off, your 2nd sectech comes up again when youre in the air

its great

[cunning needle]

idk this meme is from df

[fathom flax]

Ass gear I just need hero helm + pit neck and it’s done, work on some sub bits after that

Pit pants nexus ring(s) and PvP neck next week should be enough ig

[cunning needle]

yeah pvp neck will be good

you know what's also really wack

ive done 50 keys and havent seen a single weapon drop as well

[severe meadow]

I dont think I have either, I got my OH in heroic

[cunning needle]

yeah same

single dagger drop of the expansion

[cunning needle]

should have parried with his face

[stuck lodge]

I've been spamming pit for the dagger

legit never seen it

[ember condor]

same, at least 30 runs never seen it wasted my time and rio, went to skyreach 3 times got the dagger

fuck pit

[stuck lodge]

Lucky, I've been to reach like 7ish times and no luck

[zealous moth]

wdym 63

come back from sub you traitors

[astral pine]

so ive been noticing in some of the bigger pulls/chain pulls ill put an improved garrote on a mob 30s and begin CT after enough ct casts the actual icon for improved garrote on the first mob is changed back to the normal version

is this a ui bug or am i simply losing my entire improved gaarote?

[stuck lodge]

where you find this? Do I need to log my own stuff or what

[gleaming geyser]

It does exist; went dry 10 pits in a row then I got neck, belt and dagger back to back to back

[stuck lodge]

Nice! I've gotten ring and neck from there

belt is still hero version though

[acoustic roost]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[sick aspen]

regarding the latest pin, with CT spreading internal bleeding, does that put it ahead of canny strikes for m+ and any raid builds currently using canny?

I ask rather than "just sim" because I have trouble getting talent spec comparison sims to work properly

[wintry vapor]

The WoWhead guide was updated and now includes Internal Bleeding, so I suppose it should be better now, at least generally speaking

[sick aspen]

@wintry vapor oh duh, thank you!

[wintry vapor]

You are welcome :)

[grim jay]

How so

You just run a top gear with all the builds selected

[sick aspen]

it always picks the talent build I'm currently in, even if I swap builds it doesn't show the previous one that said it was top, it says the current one I'm using is top

I've tried making multiple specs in game so simc has them, and I've tried making them in the raidbots configure thingy, but always just says my current build is top

[grim jay]

You can run a sim and share it if you want

We can take a look

[weak basalt]

Yooo guys, how is it assasin doing these days compared to sub ? Anywhere where it excels better then sub ?

[shell plaza]

execute, cleave, prio

in lower keys than 12 stuff just dies too fast, so i prefer playing sub there

other than that assa feels good for me

like it

[weak basalt]

I love how assasin feels too, i wanna swap just dont wanns preform worse

[zinc frost]

Yeah really good damage on 12+ keys

[balmy condor]

assassination is totally fine

[grim jay]

Ye still strong overall you might top the meters with, personal testing its still worse on 12s and 13s, didnt play sin higher yet

Also fun > numbers if you dont push for title

[golden loom]

snapshotting

atleast the vanish timings make sense now !

[grim jay]

Everyone loves snapshotting

[zinc frost]

I assume this makes puzzlebox even more giga in keys, are there any other decent on use trinkets this would work with or is the mastery/timings from puzzlebox too good?

[rugged basalt]

I’m going to ask a dumb question but 🐻 with me, why does the sim garrote twice before the first envenom

[ionic elbow]

Improved garrote min-maxing. Uses second garrote just before post stealth garrote buff goes away

[rugged basalt]

So like within the 6 second window

[balmy condor]

realistically could skip that one with the whole snapshot shit

you're vanishing it anyway

[rugged basalt]

I’m noticing the ping has affected my min max rotation slightly more

Thank you

[balmy condor]

your... ping?

[rugged basalt]

It is unrelated, I think I can’t make the second garrote buffed

[elfin flame]

hello any aj cdm users know why my envenom has stopped tracking on my essential cooldowns

im wondering if it was related to the update today

[rugged basalt]

Is it the only ability affected

[elfin flame]

yes

[golden loom]

perhaps since its also tracked as a buff something bugs out?

[elfin flame]

nah i added it as a buff as a means to track it

since the essential cooldown stopped showing it

[golden loom]

ahh

I have both on default cdm so assumed it was stock gaming

[balmy condor]

default cdm goated

[rugged basalt]

I wish you a very implacable tracking

[balmy condor]

does this cdm magically fix it

[strange onyx]

This guy gets it

[rugged basalt]

I wouldn’t know, I love the default cdm LMAO

[loud niche]

🫨 I leave for shy of a week and there are TWO new pins?!

[rugged basalt]

Is there any ui that lets me keep the combo points as the default circles

[strange onyx]

SkoopUI

[balmy condor]

game sucks what can I say

[loud niche]

ty for simming all the things

[rugged basalt]

Wait I just saw the pin

[golden loom]

default

[rugged basalt]

My question earlier was completely not knowing that omg lol

[rugged basalt]

Yeah but you use a UI that also displays it a different way right next to it

[golden loom]

yeah so if 1 breaks I have the other !

[rugged basalt]

I find the circles easier in my head more than the number text

The default one breaks, sensei’s hasn’t so far

I subconsciously do be looking at the left as well and I don’t like that for me

[weak basalt]

Where did u grt this cdm ^^?

[grim jay]

Thats diabolical

[golden loom]

I also do mainly look at default combo points and also my bars

[rugged basalt]

I unironically have it for that reason

One day I’ll use my ui for its intended purpose

[grim jay]

You should add Cp to the nameplates aswell

To create your personal holy trinity

[shell plaza]

Will they fix the apex talent cmd trackign at some point or ://

[balmy condor]

probably

they attempted to fix it once

[rugged basalt]

Combo points and my hp on the enemy plates so I can look at the battle at all
Times

[grim jay]

Maybe in the .5 patch or next season

[shell plaza]

[rugged basalt]

It’ll be out by turbo boost week

Of s2

[orchid pewter]

@rugged basalt you can remove the cps from under your character frame with clearroguecombopoints and then show your cps with the personal resource display

You can toggle off the hp and energy from the personal resource display, this way you only track your cps once, and you can keep the round ones

[rugged basalt]

The personal resource display has the same bug as the character frame where it can stop tracking cps altogether sometimes, so I don’t really wish to do that :/

That was my first idea

[orchid pewter]

I played that way since prepatch and i have 0 problems

Well my ui atleast

[rugged basalt]

My prd stopped tracking maybe 7-8 times in midnight, and I’ve had sensei during early access instead (I used to have them side by side and I could visually see it stop working too :p)

I would 100% use it otherwise ahahah

[orchid pewter]

Too bad i guess, gl finding your round cps

[rugged basalt]

I’ll keep looking I might just be oblivious

[grim jay]

Im using elvui and I have 0 problems.

[split birch]

How are you guys tracking bleeds?

[rugged basalt]

Elvui jump scare 10k crashes last week but I think it’s fine here on

[balmy oasis]

Yo @balmy condor any chance you could take a look on my logs and tell me what I’m doing wrong? I copied your talents but the gap in damage is devastating ☝🏼🤓

[grim jay]

On nameplates

Platynator in my case

[split birch]

Can u pick certain debuffs to display on plater? I’m using UHF and I can pick how many but there are so many we put on

[golden loom]

nope

[rugged basalt]

I use platynator(?)

[grim jay]

Good question. I just use jundies profile and there really arent any unnecessary debuffs

[rugged basalt]

I use the same, but adjusted the debuff icon and text size and that was about it

Is the ability to block chat bubbles on enemies a vanilla feature? Vanguards keep fucking talking and I don’t wanna see it

[high sundial]

Morning! About Imp Garr snapshot. Do we refresh Imp Garr a second time before KB, imp garr window and DM expires? Meaning a total of three imp garr in the opener?

I read the guide just wondering. Don't we wanna extend it

[rugged basalt]

Morning

[balmy condor]

you extend it when you vanish after kb

[high sundial]

Right, ok thanks! I guess I was thinking about an extend-extender (?). Nevermind, thanks!!

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/puzzlebox-solving-a-puzzle-1987-sliding-into-place-mysterious-gif-6662353537727979441

[balmy condor]

yeah no need for that, the second garrote in the image already gives you the maximum extension

[sand elm]

the kingsbane attacks from implacable arent interupted by the gcd im assuming

[rugged basalt]

I wonder if I should bind potion to box instead of dm

[balmy condor]

they are separate from the gcd yes

[grim jay]

Ngl the hellraiser puzzlebox is actually kinda fitting

Maybe I should make that the icon

[rugged basalt]

[subtle tundra]

meow

[rugged basalt]

mrow

[flint raptor]

hey guys, i got the 4p archievment. Can i go delve 1 to farm catalyst charges?

[grim jay]

Id just play normally

[sinful ice]

What do u think about new patch

[grim jay]

Got 6 charges on the day I got 4p

Raid drops them frequently, m+ also kinda fine

[balmy condor]

I'm not sure if it can drop from delves, it's probably insanely low

you'll just get them from raids and m+

[orchid pewter]

Dont forget, you can only get charges from bountifuls

[flint raptor]

ty guys.

[rugged basalt]

I’m amazed at how many charges can potentially drop

[golden loom]

it is one of the best changes of the season

[uneven copper]

Question - i miss 1 tier set to get 4 piece. Can i need on tier set drops from raidfinder, even if my gear is champion?

I know i cant with ordinary gear, but maybe tier?

[golden loom]

yep

[uneven copper]

RLY? Oh shiiiit lets go.

Thanks!

[grim jay]

I still feel like they stealth nerfed the rate

Didnt get any after the 6th one, currently sitting on 3 in the bag

[wintry vapor]

How curious. My profile tells me I have the streamer role, yet I've never reacted to the corresponding emoji, nor have I ever linked my twitch account.

Or am I misunderstanding something?

[balmy condor]

you probably hit this on the onboarding

the streamer role is entirely automated

I wouldn't know of another way

[runic hinge]

You can onboard deeze

[wintry vapor]

Ah, that's possible. Perhaps I misread that one

[balmy condor]

you can remove it from the channels & roles at the top

[wintry vapor]

Will do, thanks

[balmy condor]

my pleasure

[golden loom]

I think its just normal rng

I had 2 charges in the same amount of keys as a guildie that had 9

Now I've had 8 drops in total though I believe

[rugged basalt]

I only got 4pc yesterday so I wouldn’t know until next week

[grim jay]

Might also be the case ig

The question is tho

Whats the normal rate

[golden loom]

well my first key of the season gave one!

so at that point it was 100%

then it took 20 keys for the next one

[grim jay]

I had 4p on wednesday at around 12am, 6 charges until about 12pm

[runic hinge]

I got 2 or 3 in 10 boss kills last night

[grim jay]

Tho I spammed keys like a maniac

And raid clear

[rugged basalt]

Guild run was on sat, didn’t hit, pugged one remaining, hit instantly

I’ll max mine out next week probably

It’s excessive

[sharp viper]

the rich get richer

2 piece andy over here for reset

[jolly stirrup]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[jolly stirrup]

I got INSANELY lucky yesterday and received a warbound set piece for my rogue on my Warrior while clearing normal. Since I had a piece in my vault and I had my 2 charges available I went for it. Now I will get out of bed and spam m+ to have get more charges to upgrade my other gear

[sharp viper]

damn gz

[devout cove]

Finally hit 3kio Assa only

[jolly stirrup]

Playing your own key?

I barely get accepted into +10

[devout cove]

Mostly my key yes

[rugged basalt]

If I start next week after doing a 10, will my key be a 10

[jolly stirrup]

If you time it yes

If not it will be a 9 iirc

[devout cove]

but once I got some 13s and a 14 in I get accepted to any key really

[rugged basalt]

I didn’t touch my own key all week

[jolly stirrup]

Gotcha

[rugged basalt]

trying to bypass it into a 10 for next week

[jolly stirrup]

Still insane that 10 are so easy this season

[devout cove]

Its tough to get into a 10 on tuesday if your io isnt high

[rugged basalt]

I’m at 2.6

[devout cove]

since a lot of high io players are gonna be spamming 10s for vault

[rugged basalt]

I usually get in just fine, but depending on time of day I hardly even see groups that are 8+

[devout cove]

really?

I see a few

even at 4am lol

actually

yeah like 2 or 3 every now and then

[rugged basalt]

I play eu time zone in na realms, so when I hop on it’s usually “too early”

[devout cove]

ah I see

[rugged basalt]

By afternoon ish I see tons of groups

5+ apps at all times type shit

[hoary remnant]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[north spruce]

regarding implacable tracking; are blizzard still being reminded its busted or is it likely its fallen off their radar and will not get fixed now

[devout cove]

Blizzard is aware and is actively trying to make it worse, also they are theorycrafting new nerfs for assassination.

[north spruce]

i knew it

[fathom flax]

so the skip strat for chim is real easy

really really easy lol

[shut storm]

Is assa really getting nerfed or just memes

[balmy condor]

assa gets no tuning changes on this weeks reset

[jolly stirrup]

What does snapshotting mean?

[zinc frost]

If it was to get buffs what changes would you like or are you happy with current tuning?

[balmy condor]

it takes a picture of your stats at the time of casting, and then maintains that throughout its duration, regardless of whether or not the buffs expire

[jolly stirrup]

I see why we vanish to reapply imp garrote then

[balmy condor]

I don't think you "fix" the things that people are upset about with just tuning, and I think the thing assa does, boss damage, is fine

the issue is that basically ever raid fight is either burst aoe or 2-3 target cleave, often spread

and like, you just can't do that as a melee

that's why like the vast majority of the dragons and paladin kills so far are like a billion ranged

[jolly stirrup]

God fuck the paladins and dragons

[golden loom]

maybe since every fight tier is aoe spread cleave next raid will have 7 ST patchwerk fights

[jolly stirrup]

[balmy condor]

out of the first 5 crown of the cosmos kills, there's a grand total of 70 dps players

11 of which are melee

like forget rogue or assa, it's just not possible to keep up when things are that far apart

[shut storm]

I assa really that bad in m+? I was not brave enough to try it yet. After all the negative posts

[balmy condor]

all 3 rogue specs are totally fine in m+, they just don't bring any utility/cc/raid buff

so you'd have to get rid of a dps that does bring those things

[jolly stirrup]

b... but...but.... Cloak to skip a pat

[rugged basalt]

What’s the strat

[golden loom]

assa solo carries Seat

also think its insanely good in pit of saron

[fathom flax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHR5If8zgY8

you just do 1 intermission and burn boss

from 25-30%

[shut storm]

Luckily I have full group of friends for m+. And they play meta so I can just fuck around and play rogue. Tried one time to apply for groups and didn’t get single invite for like hour lol

[balmy condor]

that is just dps PoV

[rugged basalt]

Ty I watch

[buoyant herald]

Yeah that’s not exclusive to mediocre specs only

For dps queue there is always, ALWAYS just someone more geared with more score

Even if you play meta you’re just competing against way more of the same specs or the group already has one

[jolly stirrup]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[violet tusk]

I reached 3k+ rating day 1 and have 270 ilv still get declined alot. Good that I have friends that I have played with for many years and we dont care about the meta. But the only dps spec is always "harder" to get invited.
Gief better raidbuff/utility pliz blizz

[fathom flax]

tbf i wouldnt invite you either

[violet tusk]

I wouldent invit a rogue aswell 😂😂

[rare stone]

It took me getting to 2500 rating to get invited consistently to 7's

[static glacier]

any fix for implacable tracking yet?

[grim jay]

My dk didnt get anything, my mage got 2p lfr immediately before even actually raiding

We all love it

[plucky ember]

thats crazy that people are so possed by MeTa that they wont take someone with that kind of rateing and then clearly know what they do

[static glacier]

Bro he picked rogue in character creation, clearly doesn’t know what to do

[violet tusk]

I understand them in some ways. People have limited time to play, they take a chance on a random they dont know. It’s me who have a bit higher gear/ same gear or higher Rio then a another dps. They will go for another dps then rogue. We bring vibes and not utility/buffs 🫣

Yea im not even mad about it becuse I was stupid to think hm nobody wants to play rogue in my raid team so i can take that class and always be progging.... the bench does look good on later bosses haha 😎

[plucky ember]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-cat-thumbs-up-cat-cry-thumbs-up-crying-cat-ok-cat-gif-5747260357834857776

[iron thorn]

the things you do to get your offhand

(i did loot it myself after this dungeon)

[slate kraken]

question, i know im asking alot but im learning
whats the ideal crit and haste for assa?
like percentage

[rotund oak]

!Stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[wide matrix]

any advice on how to do damage quick as possible, even on 10s? just struggling to do any dps on certain pulls

[rotund oak]

irrelevant keys but u can try some ''accelerated'' openers

pretty sure lord whispyr has some vids

dunno how much they apply for midnight though

[wide matrix]

i see, tried sudden demise build but dosen't seem to be much better

[rotund oak]

generally try to be strict to the rotational stuff for now

assuming u are learning the class or trying something new,it will take some time to be more

explosive

[iron thorn]

started playing assa this week

did 70k overall

after doing like 20 keys on assa i do what you see in the screenshot above

it's really just getting used to it

[rotund oak]

yup pretty much

[slate kraken]

damn 33% haste
i barely have 19%

[iron thorn]

early gear levels

[slate kraken]

turns out i have loads of versa as well

[normal mist]

Just sim your gear and swap whatever raidbots tells you to

[atomic creek]

You guys playing Fatebound or Deathstalker in M+?

[normal mist]

Both probably

But poopbound is better for your mental

[atomic creek]

Been playing Fatebound mostly but curious if there is a big difference in Deathstalker

[normal mist]

There isn't

If there was one would be recommended over the other

[slate kraken]

fatebound is much easier for mentality

[grim jay]

The profile is slightly different

[rotund oak]

yup pretty much

[grim jay]

And people exaggerate the difficulty of handling the mark

[rotund oak]

profiles differ a bit but numbers arent far apart

[rotund oak]

boomers booming

[normal mist]

Agreed!
Between having to deal with a problem and having to deal with no problem, the choice is clear

[grim jay]

Ye its just an extra thing or no extra thing

[normal mist]

Davyn

My PC had dust yesterday 🙁

[golden loom]

ds is also worse

while being annoying

[grim jay]

Wdym had dust? Clean it

[normal mist]

I HAVEN'T PLAYED IN SO LONG

AHHHHHH

Been playing nintendo switch every now and then

[rotund oak]

u are unfit to wear the mark

heathen

also

UwU

[grim jay]

You are a dad gamer now

You need to, once in a while, take a breather in your office room and just dust off your hardware

No need to play, just dust it off

Take a breather

[normal mist]

It was a joke about how long I haven't had a proper gaming session

[grim jay]

Didnt have a proper one either dw

[normal mist]

Hehe

[grim jay]

And ive been playing since wednesday

[golden loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uQHCtacayWRwmWnzEQYsX2 okay but why is it 20% behind

[normal mist]

I might buy pokemon FRLG for switch

[grim jay]

Imagine being 268 only

[grim jay]

Based, I tend to buy the pokemon games aswell

Its always a fun trip

[golden loom]

just grabbed a sim before yesterdays raid, got myth helm now so now im 270 🙂

[normal mist]

I wanted to play B&W, i heard they were really good, but no switch version

[grim jay]

Im 270 without a single myth piece

Ha

(we didnt drop any leather)

[rugged basalt]

If I ever get a waist or feet drop I would be as well

[wind totem]

Which buff should we take in AA?

[rugged basalt]

I go with crit

[golden loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jPf4AZEHXH8uek1frsCsGn

I guess DS is just not working in sims cause its never getting darkest night

[grim jay]

Yeah they were tbf. Ive also heard the new ones getting some hate, because they are kinda the same as previous ones, but thats the charm for me

[wind totem]

got 36% crit and was wondering between crit and mastery.

[golden loom]

??

[grim jay]

You should let the robot wonder for you

[wind totem]

how do you suggest i do that?

[normal mist]

Exactly, heard they were peak of gen 3 to 5 and I want to play them

[rugged basalt]

You can sim that?

[golden loom]

the crit buff is a static 5%

[grim jay]

Simming your gear or the dungeons you could farm

[golden loom]

the mastery is a mastery amount so it can give varying numbers

[golden loom]

hes talking about algethar buff

[grim jay]

Yeah you can minmax that

And its kinda stupid

Also advanced sim

[rugged basalt]

Imagine having to recalculate after any gear change😭

[golden loom]

yeah I was getting 7% mastery from that buff so atleast on sub I take it cause its a bigger number than 5% crit