assassination

[balmy condor]

Kingsbane doesn’t do enough damage to justify that

No shiv anymore either

On top of that, puzzle box is the only decent on-use

Next best alternative to puzzle box is playing double passives

So I think it’s pretty bleak for double on use

[jolly stirrup]

Whispyr idk if I asked you this before, what's your take on RTWF, should the EU guilds have 24 hours after US guild finishes? Or you think it's fair, because they get to "copy" tactics

[strange onyx]

Ask for my take aswell

[jolly stirrup]

Shoot

[violet tusk]

I think we actually will be see a buff for rogues next week. Dont know how much and on what, but blizzard do be crazy with seeing specs not being used in RTWF. They could fuck it up and buff CT to do more dmg hahaha

[strange onyx]

Its fair. In a perfect world I wish the race was on a tournament where anyone can try for world first and buy gear. At this point the race is so exclusive due to splits

[jolly stirrup]

I think splits should just not be used and the guilds should work with what all have available

[strange onyx]

Its too big of an advantage to have it be an honor system.

[jolly stirrup]

Mhm

[balmy condor]

The thing is that it’s not really just “NA gets an extra day reeee”, because most of the time NA servers dont even come up till later. Them coming up at 11am PDT is crazy actually, there’s been a ton of mythic raids that have opened at like 3-4pm PDT or 6pm for the east coast. More often than not it’s also pretty easy for EU to just yoink all the early boss Strats and know all the damage checks and overlaps and pre-plan, which saves a ton of time. Not to mention all the bugs that NA has to beta test first

I dont think the EU disadvantage is really all that big

[jolly stirrup]

[balmy condor]

NA starts earlier but has to deal with some bullshit

EU gets to skip a lot of bullshit but starts later

[jolly stirrup]

So you are basically quoting Thanos

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[balmy condor]

Depends on the race tbh

Like there’s been tiers where liquid just sits there at a boss and gets hardstuck and has to wait for blizzard to fix

And then there’s ones where it’s smooth

There’s also been tiers where they’re progging too fast and blizzard emergency hotfix buffs a boss by like 300%

Like they did with paladins kinda

[tall spindle]

Hi I pref to play Assa, but I have a lot more dmg on sub (so I'm playing it), is it normal or with equivalent gear and skill they can have equal dmg?

[rugged basalt]

I only have tww as a reference. How’s the pacing for RWF been this time around?

[mighty rapids]

First tier is 100x easier so far it seems

[balmy condor]

I think it was maybe nerubar kyveza, or some other damage check boss, they deadass just fucking added 20% hp to a boss

[mighty rapids]

Ansurek is one of teh hardest bosses they ever did

[balmy condor]

In the middle of prog

[balmy condor]

Very weird with the split shorter raids

[mighty rapids]

But its not last boss yet unlikely midnight falls is on that level tho

[rugged basalt]

Ansurek was so much fun it took me 85 pulls to aotc
We were also playing with a healer that didn’t know mechs so they were dead on first bounce

[strange onyx]

I hated Ansurek

Never playing warrior again

[jolly stirrup]

When does next raid open?

[balmy condor]

She hated you

[balmy condor]

Reset

[strange onyx]

That big bunda bitch

[rugged basalt]

Maybe everything is intentional with addon shit too

[jolly stirrup]

Ah so Wednesday for EU, Tuesday for US

[strange onyx]

Remove phase 2 and it is a good fight

[rugged basalt]

That was why I felt m+ being undertuned made sense

I actually liked the final bosses every season so far

But now there’s 3 final bosses

[strange onyx]

Gallywix and Dimensius was great

[balmy condor]

We also thought that Alnseer was intended to be op so that we would have a reason to do chim every week but that’s not it

[rugged basalt]

Footnote (mmmffg) I’m not talking about mythic since I don’t have exp I mean until like heroic I guess lmfao

[strange onyx]

Did you kill Chim yet?

[balmy condor]

No

[strange onyx]

Did you guys also get farmed by the fear 🙂

[rugged basalt]

The old sim said vet alnseer was better than my champ whatever the fuck, the moment I saw the new sim I 180d

[balmy condor]

Kicking mobs and dispelling is VERY difficult

[strange onyx]

Grp 1 kinda stank

[rugged basalt]

I outgrew needing chim at all I think until m

Is the dispell piss circle thing worse, how

[balmy condor]

G2 gang

[strange onyx]

We love you for being a HC Harold

[balmy condor]

Timing is much tighter

[rugged basalt]

I’d do m if a guild took me

[strange onyx]

Gang gang

[strange onyx]

NA or EU?

[rugged basalt]

2.5 season isn’t enough exp

NA

[strange onyx]

Whispyr can take you

If EU I would take you

[rugged basalt]

I’m chilling for this season, I found a guild from pugs last season, but they do like early morning raids

I can’t wait to be out of EU so I have low ping though, this feels like my best season thus far

[strange onyx]

Wtf be nice to EU

[rugged basalt]

No I like it here

I don’t like 160 ping

[strange onyx]

Stop playing on the burger king server

[rugged basalt]

EU doesn’t have a moon guard

[strange onyx]

We have Argent Dawn

[subtle tundra]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeow

meow

[rugged basalt]

it’ll never be the same

[quasi pine]

quick question i've seen a guildmate of mine with 2 arcanoweave embelish, does it work? or is he dumb?

[subtle tundra]

it work

[frosty cedar]

gm gamers

[rugged basalt]

gm

[dire smelt]

hello

good mo bing

[strange onyx]

Hej, friend?

[spice surge]

Hejhej

[dire smelt]

I have an exceptionally bad parse and im wondering if its cuz I died or what idk if anyone can look would appreciate it https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TnJmpBy3rjQq26bM?fight=32&type=damage-done&source=11

[strange onyx]

Your gear is garbanzo

[dire smelt]

this was last week tho

[strange onyx]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Cg31RBQVdpFnG8t2#fight=43&type=damage-done

You can compare us two

[dire smelt]

yeah but i'm not really skilled at analysing logs thats why I posted mine just to see if anyone could identify something I can't also if I wanted to compare logs wouldn't I just pull up rank 1 parse which is what I usually do I and I just compare the rotation looking at cast timeline

[unreal fern]

u dont saw exceptionally bad parse yet

look at mine https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GrntJ7xyk4HFZ2DL?fight=65&type=damage-done&source=22

and be happy with ur

[oak ember]

So no rogues were used in rwf besides loot security on a dagger?

Buffs inc yeah? :D

[unreal fern]

There wont be any more tunning this tier or at least beofre rwf ends right?

[dire smelt]

lol atleast u have a kill on crown heroic I didn't even do that last week

[severe meadow]

Should be more tuning Tuesday

[near aspen]

How are yall running assa on alleria? Sub felt way better for p1 at least, obv cleaving slimes more but feel like dm/kb comes up too late for 3rd mini then im waiting til p2 start

[unreal fern]

u dont use dm on 3rd only kb

[plain thistle]

topped p3 damage

[near aspen]

Fair, will have to try, would feel giga shit if no kb for lust once sim up but will try it out

[plain thistle]

did 1 burst p2 and saved for the start of p3 with lust

that way I got 2 burst in the last phase, but that will probably change with better gear and faster kills

[rugged basalt]

I think I’d have to also use non potted dm until p3

Well one use in p1

[near aspen]

Okok, I’ll mess around w it more n see what I get, ty guys

[frosty cedar]

blasting on alleria with assassination

It's good

[strange onyx]

Used to better with tight p3

No it is a bit w/e

[rugged basalt]

What’s the hp goal for alleria going into p3?

I didn’t get to prog past p2 last week

[frosty cedar]

Like 60-65% when she usually goes I think?

[near aspen]

Ye will have to dig into logs, didn’t do any homework on it had my cds all fucked up, felt like ass

[rugged basalt]

Okay so nothing too different

[frosty cedar]

Got to kind of wing it. For me in P2 I had DM KB up shortly before end of phase and I just used KB to have DM KB for bloodlust

If you want 2 uses of deathmark in P3 you must use deathnark at start of p3

[near aspen]

Yall lust end of p2 or start?

[frosty cedar]

Start of p3

[near aspen]

Got it, ty

Idrky but we were lusting start of p2

[frosty cedar]

That seems strange

I mean P2 is hardest phase right

So if you have dmg anyway maybe you lusting to get through P2 ASAP

It just doesn't really do you any benefit in P3 and idk could throw your cooldowns out of whack

[mighty rapids]

Timer for P3 was super tight last week had to lust to be able to kill it

Prolly not so much this week

[frosty cedar]

Definitely

[strange onyx]

P2 is the easiest

[frosty cedar]

Easiest for noobs to fuck up BC they didn't watch the guide lmao

[latent kernel]

So if you get a bunch of mechanics during crown first phase and have to run out your parse is jusr gonna be ass right

[rugged basalt]

Most of voidspire is doable by just reading mythictrap even

[latent kernel]

I feel like if you don’t get. A good split on adds with the dmg amp you just get screwed

[frosty cedar]

it's possible, I got a silver arrow p1 and still got R1 on our kill last night but anything more than that and your probably giga cooked

[rugged basalt]

Is the strat in p1 to go for d then either m or v, or split it after killing m? I saw people do multiple things

[frosty cedar]

Tbh you can kind of do what you like

[rugged basalt]

It seems flexible

[frosty cedar]

We went right middle left

Some people prefer middle first

Bc of the interrupt

[strange onyx]

We fucked it so much on our kill aswell. Made it a 3 target fight

[rugged basalt]

One group did dmv bc of the interrupts and easier to split arrows on other two

[dire smelt]

just read the dungeon journal

[rugged basalt]

There was a lobby on week one that strictly restricted to just the journal. Say anything outside it = kick

[frosty cedar]

Goats

[rugged basalt]

Last I saw they got to 6/7n idk if they cleared alleria

[dire smelt]

what does that even mean lmao

[frosty cedar]

I mean for normal I don't think you need to know any mechanics at all

U just hit boss as they appear

[dry cradle]

Eh for Alleria you do

[rugged basalt]

No outside information or research, playing purely from what the game gives you

Oh that was day 1 I just found it funny

[dire smelt]

forgive me lord for I have watched ready check pull 😔

[rugged basalt]

“Guys this boss…is this..is this tic tac toe? I was never good at this…”

[frosty cedar]

our raid called it xalatahs tic tac toes

[rugged basalt]

+2

[dire smelt]

one of my tanks was a little too good at it and kept getting 3 in a row

also its noughts and crosses

jst saying

idk what u guys are doing with tic atacs

[strange onyx]

I send blind normal every tier

Its a lot more fun

[rugged basalt]

Xs and Os

I turn my brain off in normal and then join 30 man groups for chaos in week 2

[frosty cedar]

FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT

[strange onyx]

Brit bong

[celest ruin]

lmao i got socket on every slot

[onyx crane]

Hex of lee, is that a, Chinese curse?

[onyx crane]

Boter, Kaas en Eieren or bust!

[rugged basalt]

Curse of ra

[onyx crane]

Showing of your gear, i didn't get any trinks yet outside champ pb

[celest ruin]

worldsoul aegis kinda goes hard

[viscid spear]

Bruce Lee

[wraith knot]

Guys for tricks of the trade, it says "Your next damaging attack and lasting 6 seconds", so it waits to start the 6 seconds until I've used a damaging attack? Does this include auto attack?

I decided to make a macro because I got aggro off the big add in Chimaerus Heroic before lol, so gonna use ToT to avoid that kind of thing happening again

[graceful bane]

It should pop the 6 sec buff the moment you do any damage pretty sure

Else it's just a 30 sec buff waiting for first damage instance

[viscid spear]

The buff is 30 seconds, you have to actually attack to start the 6 seconds of threat transfer

[wraith knot]

Right yeah so any damage will make it go off

Good cause idk if my auto attacks hit before my mutilate or what after I shadowstep to the big add, I really have no clue, I just try not to die man

[viscid spear]

Your damage, yes

[wicked valve]

!macros

[graceful bane]

There are instances where you can still get smacked once as it activates so be wary of that

[wicked valve]

Can we macro puzzlebox into DM?

[graceful bane]

No

[wraith knot]

You can but then you gotta press it twice

Which is really stupid

[graceful bane]

No reason to

[wraith knot]

I have it bound seperately

[graceful bane]

Since 2 sec cast

I hate the box so much

[wraith knot]

Same

[viscid spear]

Trickster has that talent that allows the threat diversion to last 1 hour, shame it's Outlaw/Sub only

[wraith knot]

But it's always the best on any sim I do

[wicked valve]

It reall sucks, but my other trinkets were hgot garbage

[wraith knot]

Maybe Whispyr is just trolling us secretly

[graceful bane]

I wish he was would make me feel better

[wraith knot]

Why doesn't he make us feel better

A few lines of code and we'd all be free

[viscid spear]

flip the "overpowered" switch

[wraith knot]

Can't he just break into Activision blizzard and do some hackerinos on their servers real quick and stealthy

"Oh look, this equip trinket is now the best one, how odd!"

[graceful bane]

The moment I saw they announced alg I knew it was coming

I was hoping maybe a raid trinket shot it out back but alas

[frosty cedar]

puzzle box is fun bro

#1 puzzle box enjoyer

[viscid spear]

"oh my god, it's Whispyr!"

[graceful bane]

It's an interesting trinket but having suffered through all those seasons with it multiple times I don't want to play with it again

[viscid spear]

he proceeds to Hitman 47 the entire building

[wraith knot]

Me: Did I do that

I think I did that

Whispyr wrote in blood in the wall "No more questions about puzzle box.."

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/hellraiser-pinhead-what-coolstorybro-head-gif-4593768

[cloud dune]

Don't like puzzlebox? Just play outlaw 🙃

[viscid spear]

Raiders keep taking my weapons

[cloud dune]

What jerks

I won the bis sword from alleria last week, but then realized the only other guy who rolled on it had veteran track when it was an ilvl side grade for me. So I gave it to them.

[unreal fern]

You dont need it on bench

[steep galleon]

Bless

[royal lantern]

tf do you mean bis sword

are you mfs allready clearing mythic alleria

[spice surge]

Yeah i mean its clearly piss easy seeing as it only took liquid 35 pulls

[cloud dune]

Are you not?

[viscid spear]

I'm one of the most reliable raiders.
As scary as that sounds.

[lethal turtle]

35 pulls for liquid still gonna be 150 for most

[mortal thunder]

Hey guys, upgraded Garrot is only up for 5 sec?

or is my ui buggy? after 5- 6 sec it change to normal garrot

[static glacier]

Yes, that’s correct - upgraded garotte is tied to stealth / subterfuge

[normal mist]

But the garrote will be improved garrote unless you overwrite it

[static glacier]

It’s not permanently avaliable in combat if you’re not afk in stealth

And as royal said, the garotte you apply to the mob is empowered for its full duration

[subtle tundra]

nah paladins is too hard,dont have the comp

[subtle tundra]

not even close buddy

35 pulls with inventing the strat

ppl will pull up with better gear and copying the strat

[mortal thunder]

i didnt track it for full duration -.-

[subtle tundra]

what are we talking about

[high sundial]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[static glacier]

I think people also underestimate how much easier Blizz made the raid due to no WA

[subtle tundra]

well also its not even the final boss

theres 2 more bosses

[lethal turtle]

Be sure to link your guilds wowstats

[subtle tundra]

do you want me to?

[lethal turtle]

That wasn’t rhetorical

[subtle tundra]

idk if we trolling or not

doubt its gonna be over 30 pulls for my guild on alleria tbh

but paladins is a hard wall cause of comp

[golden loom]

varas guild went from rank 20 to rank 2k when he quit.

that guy on monk was thanos..

[subtle tundra]

yeah quite sad

their downfall was inevitable

get it?

inevitable

like thanos said

[golden loom]

I just got chills irl

I hate how this renown trinket is better than farmable m+ trinkets gg

for both sub and assa..

[subtle tundra]

hate?

tf?

1 less trinket to farm buddy baka

[golden loom]

but now im still farming

for no gain

[subtle tundra]

well

log off

youre welcom3

[golden loom]

well now thats impossible

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-koichi-ok-master-lets-kill-da-hoe-koichi-act3-jojo-renatojxd-gif-16057969

[nova aspen]

i got the plume from delve quest

seemed to be a HAIR better than that trinket

[terse ruin]

ST in the M+ spec OWNS! nice change from last season

[subtle tundra]

does it or have you not played with humans and cant know

[viscid spear]

Such a fowl joke

[nova aspen]

[sacred oyster]

People who play meta classes aren't human

[tall spindle]

I hope I'll not be human playing rogue this season then

[midnight mist]

@balmy condor why is assa gapping dragon boss damage for rogue specs on hc, any particular reason

[coral ibex]

assa is better boss damage on literally every boss

[midnight mist]

assa doesnt swap to adds so

[sacred oyster]

specially this VS raid, you can mostly stay focused on the boss

[midnight mist]

like first boss boss damage

[golden loom]

adds are cringe and noob!

[midnight mist]

other specs go aoe builds and pad on adds not on boss

assa stay on boss

so of course its gonna look good on boss damage

doesnt mean its even doing better than the other specs tho

[sacred oyster]

why do people insist on assa vs sin lol, we dont need more shame to be called ass in our shorthand.

[golden loom]

assa bossdamage in keys also feels kinda great

[coral ibex]

probably the best execute spec in the game too

[haughty flicker]

assa flows better than sin

[coral ibex]

idk

just makes sense to me

assa kills bosses

[midnight mist]

i just think

if you are going on wcl

checking overall boss damage

its mega fake

[coral ibex]

no im going boss by boss

[midnight mist]

and doesnt mean anything

ok do that and tell me if assa is better boss damage on every boss

[sacred oyster]

someone linked a logs breakdown yesterday that put sin at #1

[coral ibex]

better than what

sub and outlaw?

[midnight mist]

other rogue specs

yes

[coral ibex]

yea its gapping on every fight except crown

[midnight mist]

gapping but first boss its not swapping adds, second boss its not swapping adds

so these 2 are already fake

[coral ibex]

how is it fake

[midnight mist]

i just told you

[golden loom]

okay but if everyone in the raid is trying to padd on adds, does the boss die slower?

[midnight mist]

its not swapping from boss

the other 2 specs are

so i cant know

[coral ibex]

yea because sub has cds to send

[golden loom]

time to investigate average boss death time between the specs !

[midnight mist]

anyway im asking about dragon

[coral ibex]

idk why you're discounting damage profiles as reasons to gap on boss damage

[sacred oyster]

i end up swapping on dragons cause dps getting uneven and other people arent bright enough to do that in pugs

[midnight mist]

im not lol

its just not what im asking about

[coral ibex]

"fake bc not swapping ads"

[midnight mist]

no

[coral ibex]

[midnight mist]

i asked why is assa so good on dragon boss damage

you answered with assa is gapping overall boss damage

which i told ytou means nothing for me since assa doesnt swap to adds

on any boss

so of course its gonna look higher on overall boss damage

which isnt what im asking anyway

[coral ibex]

because it is an execute spec on a fight where other specs talent for burst aoe

[midnight mist]

im asknig about dragon

im talkig about rogue spec

what are rogue specs talenting to burst aoe

on dragon

[sacred oyster]

well. if you really wanna pad numbers, you could SS and maintain bleeds on both bosses

[golden loom]

maybe sub loses boss damage by trying to hold tech a few seconds for add spawns

on dragons

while assa perma sends

also p3 should be better for assa

as it cleaves better than sub

[coral ibex]

pretty sure sub is sending black powder into the adds

which is not good for boss dam

[sacred oyster]

and SS def saves me tons of DPS loss on the knock backs, you can immed snap back if you are quick and avoid losing dps time

[nova aspen]

long execute phase for dragons and 2 targets in execute

also?

[sacred oyster]

thats also prob a good point, dragons are such an endurance fight

[royal lantern]

playing another class i gues

[midnight mist]

only one cd in exec i think

maybe they get 2 in hc idk

boss in mythic is 2 target all the way tho

[sacred oyster]

i finally got a good group to clear crown normal finally last time, didnt do bad on total

im 257~ ilvl

[coral ibex]

idk man i checked a few top sub logs and they all take the bp talent

thats not a boss dam talent

[midnight mist]

i mean maybe its better on 2 target idk

i havent checked

[coral ibex]

yea maybe lol

or maybe its for the burst aoe add spawns

[golden loom]

@midnight mist randomly comparing the damage between rank 1 assa log and rank 1 sub log, assa does 62k dps to 1 dragon and 21k to the other, while sub does 66k to 1 and 14k to the other

so might just be cleave

[sacred oyster]

how fucking close are the tanks tanking those things to be getting cleave?

[golden loom]

in p3 you stack them

when they are both on the ground

[midnight mist]

and on mythic its perma cleave also

[sacred oyster]

oh? does the rage buff go away? i was so confused when they did that last night, i was worried we was about to die lol

[midnight mist]

the rage buff is 15 yard

from center of dragons

so

its xdd

you can litteraly tank them on top of each other

[golden loom]

yeah its just that in p1/p2 of heroic its not possible to get them close

[midnight mist]

melee range is 9 yard i think for comparaison

15 yard is minuscule

[coral ibex]

my tanks struggle to get targets close enough to cleave for melee

its so frustrating

[sacred oyster]

hmm that would be nice then

[midnight mist]

can be closer

:D

its stupid

[fresh kelp]

ye

[golden loom]

nsfw tag!!

what the dragons doin

[midnight mist]

blizzard is legit trolling this tier

not capping

why is there an enrage for boss being too close

[fresh kelp]

very funny it's calculated from center of hitbox

[midnight mist]

if its litteraly impossible to have them to close

[fresh kelp]

and not from edge so they would have to be pixel stacked

[royal lantern]

fucking cars?

[royal lantern]

why is there a 2004 "lmao dragon tail swipe xd"

[coral ibex]

they'd probably be too close if they got one tanked no?

[midnight mist]

my tank in hc yesterday

tanked the melee boss

whole time

facing us

like his head

[golden loom]

tail swipe is good

[midnight mist]

on my head

[coral ibex]

very good

[midnight mist]

me when i get parried every 2nd gcd

[golden loom]

its just like in classic, if you get hit by tail swipe you are bad

and deserve to be hit

[midnight mist]

anyway

you guys convinced me

i will play outlaw on dragon

ty

[haughty flicker]

outlaw tier pog

[golden loom]

gl zac hope it goes well 🙂

[subtle tundra]

why are you on dragons

zaq

arent you casual?

[midnight mist]

im not

but we will be on dragon this week prolly

[subtle tundra]

your ugly

[midnight mist]

every boss got one pulled by liquid

cant be that hard

[royal lantern]

he is, wdym

he didnt get crown yet

washed up

[midnight mist]

im casual this tier tho yes

my guild went 3 days

[fresh kelp]

ye i mean we did normal + hc splits and are on dragons after our 9hrs

the raid is easy

[coral ibex]

yea my guild thinks we'll be on dragons on monday

[midnight mist]

and then every guild in the world

outside of echo method liquid

will be stuck on paladin

for 4 weeks

:D

[golden loom]

time to learn marksman hunter and mistweaver buddy

[subtle tundra]

i think you will be on my dragon tonight

[subtle tundra]

nah it dies easily next week

dont worry

[royal lantern]

you dont have a billion class stacks avaible?

[midnight mist]

sure thing brio

[golden loom]

wait actually arent we getting tuning notes today

[coral ibex]

your dragon will look like that old woman from spongebob when im done with it

[golden loom]

rogue buffs today dw

[subtle tundra]

u dumb?

yes or no

[midnight mist]

yes

what about you

[subtle tundra]

hells yeah

[midnight mist]

nice

hell yeah buddy

[royal lantern]

mortal strike dmg reduced by 5%

slam dmg increased by 50%

developer notes: "we know you all hate slam for 15 years now, but fuck you"

[coral ibex]

holy shit i can't wait for NO CHANGES TODAY

there's no way we get substantive adjustments

[golden loom]

I think they are nuking everything lowkey

[coral ibex]

oh yea mm hunter is getting executed

but i dont think rogue is getting touched at all

[subtle tundra]

if they are nuking the op specs then yeah paladins are living for 6 weeks straight for every guild

[midnight mist]

me when i get on paladin, and we have 2 hunter instead of 5, one mist weaver instead of 3, 7 melee instead of 1 and no addon that tells my healer which guy to dispell

[subtle tundra]

🥱

[golden loom]

if rogue was not played on 6/7 bosses and they do not emergency hotfix giga buff

then its joever

[subtle tundra]

real guilds have all of those ready

[coral ibex]

subscribe to gingi's OF for access to sneakauras smile

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[midnight mist]

fr fr

[golden loom]

our roster

[royal lantern]

3 rogues

[midnight mist]

gl buddy

[royal lantern]

what the fuck

[coral ibex]

3 ROGUES??????????

bro

[fresh kelp]

this guy's guild is hogging literally all the rogues

[coral ibex]

wtf

[midnight mist]

3 rogues in tihs economy?

[coral ibex]

thats like 4% of all rogues

and they're in your guild

[golden loom]

we were 2, but our main DK rerolled to rogue for midnight

[fresh kelp]

imagine you guys could supply 3 guilds worth of rogues

[coral ibex]

i got stuck on mirror rogue duty for splits because literally nobody wanted to roll an alt rogue

[royal lantern]

did that guy get brain damage or smth

[golden loom]

switching things up is based

and rogue is goated so cant blame anyone for swapping to this class

[haughty flicker]

https://klipy.com/gifs/aint-no-way-aint-no-way-emote

[fresh kelp]

we just run without atro on the tiers i dont feel like running a mirror

[golden loom]

also with 3x rogues we are giga prepped for tonights +300% dps buff just you wait and see

[haughty flicker]

true

rogue buffs just in time to make sure our boy exile sees the inside of march

[golden loom]

free him from outlaw keys

[nova aspen]

at least he was in for dagger boss

[frosty cedar]

big melee buffs tonight boys

[royal lantern]

i dont want buffs

i want nerfs

watching others suffer is way more fun

[plucky ember]

buffs`?

[royal lantern]

dont do "assa/outlaw all dmg increased by 5%" or crap like that

give me "frost mage all dmg reduced by 8%"

i want to watch the crying

[midnight mist]

they cant do that

cause race

:D

5% rogue buff is prolly too much for race also

wouldnt want them to have to gear other chars

after splits are already over

cant have that

[golden loom]

nah you are wrong zac

make the race interesting

slam insane balance changes

[wanton spear]

lets see -15% hunter damage

[acoustic yarrow]

Is buffs coming? Bluepost confirmed?

[nova aspen]

blue post will be today

there will be buffs

for us? who knows

[barren yew]

Can’t wait to say boom or doom like that other guy taught me

[acoustic yarrow]

So its just speculation for now?

[haughty flicker]

well we know there will be class tuning

but we also know it wont be significant

they've said both of these things already

whether rogue gets anything specifically who knows

[blissful spire]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[coral ibex]

hell yea BOOM or DOOM

https://klipy.com/gifs/boom-aj

[viscid spear]

When will racism end

[subtle tundra]

yuh some targeted aoe buffs

[runic hinge]

Target dn

[sacred oyster]

what is this melee buff yall talking about

[subtle tundra]

ptr stuff

dont worry

[weary stump]

"we've lowered kingsbane damage by 15% and lowered melee auto attack speed by 3% for all rogues"

[shy heron]

you forgot the part where they buff black powder damage by 20% for assassination-spec rogues only

[coral ibex]

how would buffing black powder damage for assa work

oh

yea

[primal parrot]

they should rework kingsbane into a bleed

[strange wolf]

honestly should they? isnt it beter for a spec to have a burst moment open.

been pushing 12's atm and i prefer having a button to nuke a prio target specificly with kingsbane

[weary stump]

Honestly I kinda like not being bursty and being the constant ramp class, so the longer the fight is the better we are

[strange wolf]

i get that. and it does have a nice taste to it. but then you get allot of issues in low end keys and low end raids where you are just basicly useless cause shit dies to quickly.

[weary stump]

I get our existence currently helps a lot with m+ and all but it does feel like it detracts from the bleed/poison thematics a bit

[strange wolf]

it does for sure

but theme vs gameplay loop.

[weary stump]

Fair but it would also inversely make us way better at high keys

[strange wolf]

yes it would

[weary stump]

And low keys are already a joke so like, this is fine imo

[fallow canopy]

did envenom tracking get bricked or something

[strange wolf]

the issue is aswell. low lvl players are the majority of the player base.

[weary stump]

Fair but also, they barely play rogue as is so who are we catering to there lmao

We are what 3% of the playerbase at current?

[strange wolf]

i mean ngl.

that was afflock for ages to

[weary stump]

Yeah but we've been hovering around least played since shadowlands

[strange wolf]

tbf. while i do love me a semantic confo like this. i think its beter if we both agree on one thing. that we have no clue how to balanbce this game 🙂

[weary stump]

Oh definitely, but I just want them to take risks with rogue at this point rather than just keep us dead in the water for another 5 years

[strange wolf]

honestly been loving this spec. been playing it for 2 and a half week now.

[weary stump]

I love and hate it but it's basically the only thing I play in this game due to being the only class I enjoy

[coral ibex]

lol there's a blue post saying people who got the crafting bug probably won't get any crests or sparks back

[weary stump]

God bless

[coral ibex]

multi dollar company

[weary stump]

I'm happy I didn't risk crafting

[weary stump]

Exploit early exploit often, oh wait this is the opposite type of bug for that

[viscid spear]

When I think of a king's worst problem, I also think of excessive blood loss.
Not rebellion, or diarrhea, or even patricide.

[weary stump]

I think his worst problem is peeing, have you ever seen how many ancient Chinese assassinations were from climbing up the toilet area and stabbing their butt

Once was crazy enough, but like 5 times in written history? God damn

[sacred oyster]

and imagine the horror of the rest of your life if you lived from that

[weary stump]

Right? Now you're perma afraid of spear in toilet situations

[sacred oyster]

plus scar tissue being an issue every time you poop too lol

[weary stump]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_died_while_on_the_toilet

Very fun wikipedia article btw

[viscid spear]

Hey, if they can climb a hundred feet up a shaft of literal shit then they earned the right to stab a butt.

[weary stump]

Dig in yo butt twin, but literally and someone else's butt

[frosty cedar]

[viscid spear]

There is an astronomically low chance that an Asian man will stab you in the ass while you're sitting on your toilet.
But that chance is also not 0%.

[weary stump]

That's true

[viscid spear]

That's why most toilets in Asia are on the floor, so you can just squat over it and be ready if an ass-stabber appears.
Less reaction time if you're sitting down.

[weary stump]

Yeah you're squatted in prep to frogger jump

[wraith knot]

I'm so happy I joined the rogue discord

So much wonderful information going straight into my neurons

[sharp viper]

[weary stump]

If you really think about it, human meat is vegan

I mean what

[sharp viper]

https://klipy.com/gifs/scott-pilgrim-vegan-1

[half moss]

hey im just coming back, could anyone post the command to see plater/weakaura profiles, if these are even a think anymore

[sharp viper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.

For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:

• Blizzard HUD
• Blizzard CDM

[sharp viper]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.

For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:

• Blizzard HUD
• Blizzard CDM

[sharp viper]

[half moss]

tyty

[sweet gull]

best poisons for m+?

!poisons

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[iron thorn]

i think i'm getting the hang

algethar 10

[dire smelt]

pawsome

[iron thorn]

that first pull and boss were JUIIICY

[severe meadow]

pawsome

[dire smelt]

i just did an algethar

10

[severe meadow]

How did it go roryhamdonecraverputmanpedersen?

[dire smelt]

deplete bc 2 other dps were literally griefing

[severe meadow]

I think I have all 10s done now, I can’t remember

[viscid spear]

Frank Castle shoots Clark Kent with a finger pistol

[dire smelt]

unfortunately our dh friend is not online otherwise we would have blasted

got unlucky with the randoms gg

[dire smelt]

how much dmg did u get on it

also my shit went kinda bad my tank died on the first pull but lowk saved it by stalling with evasion and didn't have to reset the pull

[ember condor]

they should make deathmark and kingsbane 45 sec cooldowns

[royal lantern]

but why

sub is the 90sec spec

[ember condor]

2 minutes feels like shit

[dire smelt]

they should just make it so deathmark and kingsbane jumps to a new target when the target dies

[sacred oyster]

yeah could actually pull good numbers in aoe then lol

[golden loom]

I mean assa in keys is actually great

[ember condor]

45 sec fking pillar of frost feels 10 times better than assa cooldowns even though frost is kinda bad rn

[golden loom]

doing seat on assa compared to sub you actually are useful

[coral ibex]

word you should definitely go reroll dk bud

[sacred oyster]

yeah but if we had dm every major ad pack pull then it would be def meta 😛

[golden loom]

assa legit nukes the thanos mobs in the start of seat

[wraith knot]

What's your ilvl?

[iron thorn]

sec lemme get the screenshots

this was first pull

[coral ibex]

do people really not understand that 45s cooldowns are tuned to be less impactful per use than 1m or 2m cooldowns

[iron thorn]

this was first boss

[coral ibex]

that's why the cd is lower

[royal lantern]

then play a 90sec spec instead?

[iron thorn]

261 with 4p

[royal lantern]

tf is that logic

[ember condor]

exactly bro!

[dire smelt]

my gear is so chud

[wraith knot]

Hmm I see, damn you're doing like 30k more than me or something. But I'm still making rotation mistakes.

I only got 2p tho

[iron thorn]

4p is insane

[ember condor]

but those 45 sec cooldowns are actually more impactful now

[royal lantern]

tbf, sub has LESS dmg then assa outside of its burst windows

[ember condor]

it just does more and more often xD

[royal lantern]

xD thats tuning you ape

[iron thorn]

i did my first keys on assa yday and went from 70k overall to 85k now to this

[coral ibex]

well sub is kind of an outlier in that it does healer damage outside cds, i dont think frost is like that

[iron thorn]

i think algethar is one of the crazier dungeons for assa

[ember condor]

and thats what im talking about

[iron thorn]

because of the first pull

[golden loom]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/chCRmPrA1q8WawQ4?fight=4&type=damage-done I mean in pit aswell the spec just cranks all prio mobs

[wraith knot]

Nice, yeah 2p made me go from like 80kish to 100kish overall

[golden loom]

(only logged assa dungeon I had for some reason cause bigwigs doenst auto log m+ for me atm?? )

[wraith knot]

How can I check your spec on craftlogs?

I keep worrying that my spec is wrong but it's prolly not

[golden loom]

click my name and summary

shows talents / gear

[iron thorn]

this really is mostly big numbers = fun but i think i enjoy assa the most rn in dungeons

[wraith knot]

Thanks yeah using same spec, prolly skill issue and li'l bit gear diff

I mean honestly I feel pretty good in m+, my dps might be a bit lower too because I put myself on orb catching duty every dungeon lol

Feels good to use sprint and shadowsteps to get orbs quick

[dire smelt]

playing assa in lower keys or pulls without a tanky prio target just feels soooo ahhh

thats the only issue wid it

[wraith knot]

Yeah I feel way better in m10s compared to when I was doing m0s

[dire smelt]

i dont think lowering the cds is the answer

ye literally

the higher the keys the better the sepc feels

[wraith knot]

But in raids it feels so weird like

[dire smelt]

it felt so shit before m+ was out

m0s was so fkn boring

[wraith knot]

I kinda wish they would just not make us choose between ST and AoE specs, like why even, I don't see the point

And I don't wanna explain to guildies and raidleader how rogue should just ST whole raid, then they'll be like "then why bring rogue lololol" prolly

[frosty cedar]

we dont lose much for our raid cleave spec

[golden loom]

Main problem is getting to cleave anything

[barren basin]

hey just want to ask im new to assa from sub. from stealth, do you use garrote twice on the same target to apply improved garrote?

[wraith knot]

sets up bleeds
mob dies

[dire smelt]

I hate how cleave in raids is just a bunch of a random shi that dies rly fast where frontloaded kits get to giga pad and u just feel homeless for spending 60 energy on crimson tempest for a pack that will die giga fast anyways

[frosty cedar]

good thing CT does decent damage either way

[dire smelt]

but likw u still gotta press it for the stat pad I think

[wraith knot]

Stealth applies improved garrote, you garrote again to refresh it at like 6 or 7 sec

Just make sure it doesn't drop

(Right?)

[dire smelt]

its alrdy improved but u apply it twice just for the longer duration

[latent kernel]

in AOE, garrote -> FOK -> rupture -> garrote (pandemic) -> CT (until bleeds spread) -> envenom -> PBOX -> DM -> KB -> normal

in ST, just replace FOK and CT with mutilate

[dire smelt]

u can also edge I think u may be able to edge the garrote a bit more after rupture but idk how much it matters

[wraith knot]

I've been wondering about using envenom twice in a row for the 5% increase before cooldowns

[frosty cedar]

above for AOE you just CT until 5+ and then envenom and engage cooldowns

but you build with CT when mobs still dont have bleeds

[wraith knot]

Or does that just take too long

[latent kernel]

true it depends on mob count ^^

thats just a general

[ember condor]

should we use envenom on kingsbane targets in aoe? like always?

[dire smelt]

does anyone know the number of mobs that need to be there for it to be worth overcapping cp

[frosty cedar]

I dont think it depends on mob count but I could be wrong

[dire smelt]

cuz ive heard this

[frosty cedar]

I believe that was debunked

sim bug

[dire smelt]

but I never hear anyone say when it is actually worth

[latent kernel]

yes, becuase envenom and KB apply casutic, only one target can have caustic, so make sure your caustic stays on your KB target so your KB splatters

[frosty cedar]

sim was having like, 15% spatter uptime instead of the 80+% we have

[latent kernel]

the main thing is you just want to make sure you have the full agility buff in big pulls from having ruptures applied before you start your CD window

[latent kernel]

i meant whether to use CT or FOK depends on mob count, bc you might use CT further into the pull if you have a lot of targets that need bleeds

[ember condor]

thanks, sounds super uncomfortable

focus target this focus target that

[dire smelt]

I mean u just focus one target wym

I mean it is a lot of setup tho

before u can start ur 2 button rotation

[frosty cedar]

i wouldnt say so, you would just CD as normal and continue applying bleeds as a builder after. I don't think you worry about agi buff at all before CDs, you will get it shortly after anyway

I could be wrong though

[wraith knot]

Lmao meanwhile I see other classes just kinda like press buttons and everything gets hit for max damage

But I've fallen in love with this class and spec

So fk it

I'm tripling down

[frosty cedar]

welcome brother

[latent kernel]

you def want it capped before CDs bc its literally a 20% dmg increase, if you apply bleeds to 3 targets and then start your CDs, thats a 6% buff (2% per target) so you would need 4 more globals (CT spreads to 2 targets) before you max out the buff

[ember condor]

thats what im talking about, assa is fun but feels like an affix for yourself

at least they could make CT spread bleeds to all in one global

[dire smelt]

holy

imagine the single press ct to rule them all

[ember condor]

no you gonna press it 20 times lil bro 😎

[wraith knot]

Lmao imagine it applies bleeds too and that's it, you're done

I don't even know if I would enjoy it then

[latent kernel]

assuming youre envenoming before you CT again, you'd essentially be missing 3-4 envenoms without the full agi buff

[frosty cedar]

okay but you already have bleeds applied to 5 targets or so if you just CD normally. so you are holding cooldowns on a pack for what, you two cast CT - CT - Envenom - CT - CT - Envenom and THEN puzzle box, then deathmark kingsbane? I dont think that is worth it when you would only really be buffing the initial kingsbane hit.

[wraith knot]

Omg really?

Bruh I swear I've learned something every day since I joined this server 💀 wtf

[coral ibex]

kingsbane damage needs time to ramp

[frosty cedar]

correct

[wraith knot]

But then isn't the other talent better?

[latent kernel]

in regular opener, you'd garrote -> FOK -> rupture -> CT (assuming pull big enough to generate 5 combo) -> envenom -> PBOX -> DM -> KB and at that point you only have bleeds on 3 targets right?

[dire smelt]

ye I mean if u just look at rank 1 logs they agree with what backshotbot is saying

[wraith knot]

Cause I have noticed I end up with 4 combopoints a lot, I keep thinking "if only"

[dire smelt]

so im lowkey team backshots

[frosty cedar]

I dont think capping before CDS on a mob pack really matters at all, I think for the majority of packs in the majority of keys I would be more concerned that holding anything would result in my prio mob dying before my deathmark is even over

[golden loom]

I dont even envenom before cds in keys

you just send garrote fok rupture (maybe garrote) -> puzzle box cds

and then start envenom CT

[dire smelt]

thats not good gang

[latent kernel]

im not entirely sure either LOL, im just trying to see if anyone knows, this was just my thinking lol

[frosty cedar]

most packs I think it is more likely you would need to CT twice to build your first envenom but it definitely can be only one

[dire smelt]

u wanna envenom before cd

u just do more dmg

[golden loom]

in st sure

[latent kernel]

im not saying im 100% correct, idek what the correct answer is

[golden loom]

in aoe I do not think its worth it

[wraith knot]

I think uwu has a point

[golden loom]

atleast in 10-12s

[wraith knot]

Because like I've been doing that and I feel like I'm wasting too much time

[golden loom]

stuff does not live

[coral ibex]

its already almost time to be farming 12's instead of 10's for crests and gear and vault

just so you can actually send cds and not have mobs die halfway thru

[frosty cedar]

if the prio mob will live, envenoming first is better even in aoe but if it wont live, just send it kings

[latent kernel]

@balmy condor in AOE, should you be capping the agility buff before starting your cooldown rotation, or sending cooldowns ASAP and capping it while in CDs?

lets just find out here

[frosty cedar]

as you wish

[coral ibex]

pookie is probably asleep

its before noon on the west coast

[latent kernel]

@frosty cedar i phrased the question right for what you're saying?

[dire smelt]

prob depends on the count

idk tho

i'll look at some logs on diff dungeons

[coral ibex]

i would assume it depends on target count

[frosty cedar]

i think the question does cover it yes

[coral ibex]

as my #1 damage source in keys rn is garrote

so spreading it would intuitively be more damage

[latent kernel]

r u playing fatebound or deathstalker?

[coral ibex]

fatebound

[frosty cedar]

the sim on 10 targets just sends it, mind you

[coral ibex]

nothing is big enough to warrant ds prio damage

[golden loom]

yeah I mean ideally sure

[wraith knot]

wtf

[golden loom]

but in the keys you do currently

hell nah

[latent kernel]

can u run it for like 15 and 20 and see if it does the same?

[frosty cedar]

oh me and wapples are talking about his suggestion that you cap agi buff first

I agree with your point

if the mob will die too quiickly if you have to do the full normal setup

[frosty cedar]

its the same on 20 seconds but it is pulling from the APL which says that this is correct

[golden loom]

like even first pull of windspire I did the extended opener and the prio adds were almost dead as I was casting puzzlebox

[latent kernel]

the only reason the logic seems counterintuitive to me is because your first envenom after kingsbane would only be hitting with 10% of the buff if that makes sense

[frosty cedar]

your going to be spending those globals anyway. kingsbane isn't making your envenom itself particularly more powerful. in your setup you are already sending envenoms when you have the combo points to do so, whilst you are setting up more bleeds on 10 targets first

[golden loom]

in general tho you can kinda just vibe the opener also

[latent kernel]

no i know, but im saying your first envenom in your DM window which is +10% and puzzle box window is only gettings 10% of the agi buff whereas if you max buff first before your opener, that envenom is hitting for essentially 10% more dmg which caustics and everything

[golden loom]

spec does nuke prio targets either way

[wraith knot]

[vivid elm]

anyone have a good cast sequence macro for cringebox?

that I can just macro into DM/blades

[golden loom]

cant macro

just cast that shit natty and suffer 🙂

[vivid elm]

oh really?

you can't cast sequence it?

[wraith knot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/G2Esports-esports-g2-g2esports-jbRNkvWoAEYnO6UdNm

[latent kernel]

you can

[golden loom]

well that you can do I guess

[vivid elm]

just so I can use one button for it

spam it

i'm just shit at making macros

so I don't know how to do it

[golden loom]

well you can just have it on another bind

and spam DM during the cast

spamming dm during puzzlebox cast doesnt interrupt it

[frosty cedar]

if I were fighting 10 mobs for 5 minutes and I wouldnt miss a cooldown set by spreading the agi buff first, I would do so. but packs don't follow the same logic, I would be wary of holding anything in m+ most of the time, and most mobs you focus giga blowup often times before you can even get the full deathmark off

[vivid elm]

oh shti I didn't know that

i guess that would work

[wraith knot]

Aaaand I learned anothe thing

2 counts for today

[golden loom]

ye you can spam abilities, just dont move 🙂

[vivid elm]

been playing sub in keys mostly

[wraith knot]

[vivid elm]

but i gues it's good in m+ for sub tool

🙁

[latent kernel]

i think the answer here is that if you solely just look at the CD window, capping the agi buff before will lead to a greater cd WINDOW, however i think in terms of like the 5 minute fight and being in a dungeon, not holding is probably more optimal

so i think what you're saying makes sense

[frosty cedar]

i believe this to be the correct interpretation

[latent kernel]

that was a fun use of 15 minutes, thanks lol

[frosty cedar]

are you telling me you dont enjoy the little mechanical sounds as ur character stands there and channels this silly little box

[golden loom]

yep I do

[frosty cedar]

ngl. It happens to me too where the mob moves farther away and I rip a natty shadowstep after the box

ngl im kind of a puzzle box enjoyer

I might be cooked

[coral ibex]

whatthesigma

[golden loom]

the greatest hunter of demons out there

[wraith knot]

I love that feeling when my raidleader is screaming at us to dps the boss down and I'm casting puzzle box

It feels like a li'l rebellious act

[frosty cedar]

no problem, its often worth it to hash things out to figure out the best way to do things in certain situations 🙂

[frosty cedar]

bro is just playing with his silly little puzzle (usually standing in a suspicious swirly hoping it doesnt go off mid cast) while the end of the world is going on

[wraith knot]

"Let me cook"

Also last Pit of Saron m10 I did

I was gonna pop my cooldowns on the ice elemental dude in the cavern before boss so we'd get through that part faster

Mf raised his shield in my face when I was done with puzzle box

Massive keks

Lesson learned

[frosty cedar]

you dont need cast sequence macros when you have this

[wraith knot]

/question

[weary stump]

Grok is my rubix cube working

[exotic hazel]

We are a rare breed

[frosty cedar]

jesus christ

[weary stump]

I'm almost 2k io by only doing pug m+ with sin rogue; just remember to believe

[exotic hazel]

I've been applying to groups as Sub, then swapping to Assa, and being promptly kicked

[weary stump]

I have been just committing to sin both in application and party

[exotic hazel]

Got 2.2k as Sub though

[weary stump]

It's rough getting accepted but not the worst

[wraith knot]

Guys what does this actually mean

The %

[weary stump]

It means there's 4.3% people playing this class at a higher score

Basically

Or maybe it's overall, idk for sure

[wraith knot]

Wtf

[weary stump]

If you're wondering why aren't there more people higher than your score, it's a work week

We be here in our cubicles, vibing

[wraith knot]

Thanks I almost thought I was decent

[weary stump]

You're a god gamer twin, but not due to this

[wraith knot]

My god I am so not but humor me why am I

[weary stump]

Because no one else can die the ways you do

[wraith knot]

TRUE

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-the-big-bang-theory-true-KzyMcEfDh4Jiw

[exotic hazel]

Pooping on company time I see

[weary stump]

I have had fuck all to do all week because my company is between projects

But it's in person so I'm just at my cube thinking about life

[exotic hazel]

thinking about life WoW

Actually, same thing

[weary stump]

True

[dreamy plover]

!poisons

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[bright hemlock]

odds we catch meaningful buffs today?

[gleaming geyser]

50%

[rose sparrow]

is sin catching up to sub numbers wise?

do we suspect that sin will eventually be the rogue go to spec?

[sudden brook]

they are about the same

Sin does more execute, sub has 1:30 timers

depends what a specific encounter is asking u to do

[weary stump]

Sin has goop, sub has powder

That's the real difference

[real pike]

guys r we DS or FB in keys

[bright hemlock]

FB

[real pike]

ty

[runic hinge]

I did some keys today. Spec is pretty fun tbh

[humble verge]

can anybody see something wrong here

[static glacier]

is that a non dagger OH?

[humble verge]

yes

but look more into the image dawg

i cant upgrade it to 266

for no reason

[static glacier]

you can't?

huh

[humble verge]

nope

it costs me crests

[plain thistle]

hmmm that 266 weapon you have equipped is not a dagger

[humble verge]

yeah

[static glacier]

blizzard special

[humble verge]

but does it have to be a dagger now?

it never had to

???

[plain thistle]

hmmm

good point, I dont know

[rugged basalt]

it has to be class related

[fallen charm]

maybe somthing to do with craft bugs

[humble verge]

maybe

bruh

[rugged basalt]

if u have a 266 cloth gear it doesnt count

[humble verge]

theres n oway

[rugged basalt]

u need leather 266

[fallen charm]

or try to go outlaw and upgrade it

[rugged basalt]

try outlaw

[plain thistle]

its a str or int weapon?

[humble verge]

changed to outlaw

nothing

this is stupid

[rugged basalt]

does the oh weapon even count

[humble verge]

i mean

ANY weapon

and item

[fallen charm]

yeah, just a git gut from Jhon blizzard

[humble verge]

if higher in bags

will go up for free

[rugged basalt]

its likely a weapon compatible

[waxen oyster]

doesnt count str weapons

[rugged basalt]

i did say cloth/mail etc wont count

[humble verge]

its agi

??

[waxen oyster]

didnt count str trinks in tww

[rugged basalt]

mmm idk i only do sin

[fallen charm]

swap weapons equiped, sell and buyback

[rugged basalt]

not tragedies

[fallen charm]

have you tried it?

[rugged basalt]

i doubt that rip

[fallen charm]

maybe try and go sub

they equip both maces and daggers

I wouldn't upgrade if it's not free, it's only +1 agi lol

[rose sparrow]

anyone know what other craft other then dagger to go if i swap between sub and sin and what stats

[fallow canopy]

im out of the mines

[runic hinge]

Happy for you

[haughty flicker]

i still have 7 champion pieces

m+ is just fucking shitting on me

[visual bloom]

Ok so quick question

In aoe do u spend a lot of time spreading bleeds or do u spread them to a certain point then start doing ur regular aoe rotation?

[haughty flicker]

spread bleeds until there are no more bleeds to be spread

unless its like little shitters you dont care about anyway

[warm verge]

how do you guys keep track of how many adds are out vs how many pleads you have when spreading w/ crimson?

[frosty cedar]

by looking at the nameplates

👍

[severe meadow]

If it’s a turbo pull you can just vibe it out

But energy could be good enough to just keep slamming CT

CT is more damage than FoK anyway

[gleaming geyser]

Especiallu lusted big pull

Like algethar

[severe meadow]

Ye

[gleaming geyser]

You just CT envenom over and over

[severe meadow]

Don’t listen to Backshots.. he pays for PIs…

@frosty cedar did you get r1 on paladins?

[frosty cedar]

yes

3 targets to backshot is a large amount of backshotting

[warm vortex]

What do you parses look like now :O

MUltiple 99s i had got tunrned into 98s after they lockedin

[severe meadow]

I got rank 9 on it and thought I saw you on it

Couldn’t remember

[frosty cedar]

yes thats me, managed it on first and second week

got a pretty nice cooldown set during the last few percentages that definitely helped on paladins

[severe meadow]

Mechagnome

[frosty cedar]

thats why hes the bot

otherwise hed be backshothuman

[frosty cedar]

i manged to sweep all of hc apart from dragons, then I lost the r1 on alleria like, 4 hours afterwards, NA woke up lol

im just tryna farm a puzzle box to be as strong as possible for mythic which we are starting on monday

[warm vortex]

Fairs

Didn't manage to kill alleria

[frosty cedar]

damn bro u close tho

[stuck lodge]

Jay can you look at my parses and tell me why my ilvl % is so shit