assassination

[balmy condor]

based

[rugged basalt]

Correlation and causation it’s good for m+ obviously

[plucky ember]

wait how do you reach that rateing in a day

[rugged basalt]

I’ve seen many do it tbf

I’d probably cut it close and barely do 10s on all if I was NA time

[runic hinge]

No 3k? Are you even trying?

[pulsar coral]

anyone know how to pick which debuffs Plater will show?

[pulsar coral]

I don't need to see crippling and deadly on a nameplate

[bright hemlock]

how is assass feeling yall? Debating between assass or havoc for my alt!

In m+ that is

[rugged basalt]

Piss chilling in m+ so far

Awaiting aoe blind

[bright hemlock]

Word, I’ll have to check it out

[rugged basalt]

Having to kidney shot mobs feels irregular for me but lizard something something bring aoe blind back

[dire smelt]

I just noticed that when I press crimson tempest without my improved garrote buff it only spreads the inferior garrote and I can also override improved garrote

ahhh helll naw

[plucky ember]

ohhhh

[balmy condor]

yeah helps when you play the game as your job

[onyx rock]

I play the game as it is my job but it is not. In fact in dont have a job :)

[tall spindle]

did assa felt good in keys? Haven't played yet but Idk if I go sin or outlaw

[onyx rock]

Its pretty good in overall dmg if you mean that, yeah.

[wraith knot]

I just cleared m10 on my first day of doing any m+ ever

[onyx rock]

Nice

[tall spindle]

yeah I mean can it compete with other classes?

[onyx rock]

Yes you can

Maybe not in 0,1 range keys but your chill 15-16 or so ofc.

[runic hinge]

It just changes the icon. The damage stays the same

[rugged basalt]

Sin does well in keys imo

At least so far, and with fb

[hardy sierra]

energy regeneration rate feels absolutely awful.

[oak tangle]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[rugged basalt]

I’ve made peace with energy regen it’s like waiting for an ex to come back

It’s not happening and if it does it’s bound to go away again

[dire smelt]

for really?

[timber abyss]

what do you think is the best to pick - tier set gloves or the trinket?

i know the gloves are bis

trinket is ranked in B tier from whispyr guide in wowhead

[hardy sierra]

sim it

[timber abyss]

is it possible to sim items that are not obtained ?

[normal mist]

Yes

[hardy sierra]

yeah

[normal mist]

There's a vault option

[timber abyss]

ohh.. didnt know that

ok then sry for my question

[hardy sierra]

you use simc with the vault open, then when you put it in raidbots theres an option to select all gv items

its np

[timber abyss]

you save my life ❤️ thank you

[sand elm]

completing a +10 within 3 hours of servers going up sounds like theyre gonna buff the dungeons real quick

[hardy sierra]

yeah my friend told me he already got to 2500 mythic rating. kinda ridiculous for day one

the pitfalls of employment i guess. im sure itll be buffed before i get the chance to take advantage

[balmy condor]

can confirm

I'm that friend

[hardy sierra]

lol

wild

[balmy condor]

yeah but I get to take this screenshot before I wake up tomorrow and I will have dropped like

9 gorillion spots

on the leaderboard

NA privilege

[royal lantern]

ah yes, the "make a raidleader happy" vault

[rugged basalt]

I only had 3 hours last night I’m gonna get all 10s today you just wait

I was #10 on moon guard bc no one fucking does anything in moon guard

[humble verge]

4 vaults

4 dogs

holy shit i cba this game bro

[wicked valve]

I was doing tens on assassin last night with a fury war and frost mage. I felt so unessecary. I could kept up with cooldowns, otherwise I might as well not have been there.

[balmy condor]

I was keeping up with everything except warlock

but also he had 5ilvl on me and 4 set

so

[wicked valve]

I mean, if I compared myself to you id have quit rogue a long time ago! But good to see you can make it work.

[balmy condor]

Bro my shit stank

I’ve seen two puzzle boxes go to veng dhs

I was zero set until an hour ago

The vibes are rancid

[royal lantern]

our mail guys are all fullset since the first raid

at the same time we dropped 0 leather or plate tier stuff

[static glacier]

jesus ur 262

u get funneled or what

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cVgPk88ysLKzRDCDcb8XVA

264

[static glacier]

I think for leather our boomy got two pieces and I got one

[balmy condor]

I’ve sent every hero crest

Capped on myth crests, nothing to use it on

[rugged basalt]

I 6/6’d chest and shoulders nothing else

I’m 10 off recrafting daggers, awaiting more gear, will normal 2345 to see if my bum ass can get tier pc, then back to dungeonslop

[rugged basalt]

Is this after craft

[balmy condor]

Yeah I recrafted dagger

[wicked valve]

Im saving to myth dagger. Hoping damage jumps when I get it. 7 tier drops last week 6 were plate. Fuck me I guess

[balmy condor]

Dagger recraft should be noticeable

[wicked valve]

Not sure how id play the game without you telling me what to get in all the guides. Makes it much easier for my old man brain. Thanks whispyr.

[balmy condor]

Np

[static glacier]

forgot ur na and raided yesterday

[rugged basalt]

Hopefully I get better luck this week, I just need oooone

[fathom flax]

its week 1 and i already hate puzzle box

[fathom flax]

surely bracers is fine lol

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b5nuLrMGpyaND2LqfEWmuG

[balmy condor]

I’d rather castrate myself with a butter knife

[strange onyx]

But they are socketed, no?

[fathom flax]

i got a crap vault so took a socket for mine, they dont come with one

[zenith crest]

better to go for the bis trinket or the champion set piece? would get me to 2pc bonus

[dry night]

Can I macro deathmark and vanish to extend improved garrote or is it a waste of cds?

[strange onyx]

If you do the crafting quest next to the work order woman, you should get a free socket item

[strange onyx]

Dont

[rugged basalt]

Isn’t that also the wrong turn order anyway

[shut sand]

You can

[rugged basalt]

Sounds like a bad idea

[fathom flax]

PARDON

[boreal lichen]

I saw a Reddit post regarding failed recrafts, used myth crests but item didn’t get any item lvl increases and crests are gone.
Has that happened to anyone in here? Is it save to recraft to myth?

[static glacier]

you'd rather NOT use a dm global to reapply garotte

do it before dm

[dry night]

Why before? Is the order important?

[static glacier]

think

dm gives you flat 10% more dmg while it's active / lethal dose extra dmg / double poison app

why would you choose to press a dot button that doesn't do good damage upfront inside your limited 16 seconds of power

when you could do it before

and use your 16 seconds to press mut / env, spells that actually do upfront dmg and benefit from being used inside dm

under no circumstance am I saying don't apply garotte in dm if it falls off, but you should apply it before dm

[wraith knot]

My first day ever doing m+, thanks a lot guys for all the help and advice, I'm not even holding my guildies back at all. I feel so proud.

[rugged basalt]

I saw a few people complain about this as well. I have no idea if it’s a crafting bug, crafter bug, etc

Nice work

[dry night]

Thank You very much for the Info (:

[empty hinge]

are there any bleed builds for m+ cuz i couldn't find one on wowhead

maybe im blind

[shut sand]

Yes since it buffs bleed dmg post application, u dont need to apply it before like in the old days

[analog field]

there are all the builds there

[shut sand]

In the old days when u wanted to make a oneshot macro ud buff everything up first, use pots then trinks then cds

And then u would apply bleefs and dots

[analog field]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmZmZzgBAAAAAmlBbzAAAAAAabbmZmZmZMmZmZ2mZZmBPwMzMzYYmxYAMwCMjRjZDklBsZsBYmhxA

[shut sand]

But right now wouldnt the best be to get 4-6cp -> vanish -> garrote -> env -> puzzlebox -> dm -> kb -> env

?

So then u have stronger garrotw also runninf the next time u pop everything

[real pike]

Are we back to envenoming before DM? Even on open?

[shut sand]

I think sims dont do it

But i dont see why I shouldnt envenom before dm

Im not gettinf another extra kb in a fight cuz i chose not to envenom before dm

So I delay it

Because it both buffs my kb dmg, cuz of envenom

But also buffs my next envenom damage cuz of again… envenom

But also buffs my the damage of my bleeds and poisons that do damage right after i press dm if I envenomed before the dm

Because again… envenom gives us many buffs

So i dont see why u wouldnt wanna envenom before dmg

Dm*

I always make sure i got all my buffs up before i pop my oneshot rather then trying to get them up while im going ham

Cuz thats just dps loss

U only got X amounts of secs buffed dmg during ur cds, make them count

[rugged basalt]

Sims envenom before box dm kb

It’s always been rec’d just not written in the rotation I forget why

[shut sand]

I dont use imp garrote so my most optimal opener is something odd, its not the same as what is simmed

They want to get my bleeds rolling asap for energy regen and uptime of my bleeds

But my garrote will then be too short to last my whole oneshot

[normal mist]

Yes

[shut sand]

And im not guaranteed to hit 7 cps for rupture

So to make sure i get enough uptime on my bleeds and get up and running asap, ans i get max cps in my opening usinfg ambush instead of garrote

Ans get max rupture

I have to delay my opener so much to get best of both worlds

Cuz otherwise u have to so one of 2 things bith which dont work

[normal mist]

Delay = using CDs later?

[shut sand]

Lemme show u

[shut sand]

Yea

[normal mist]

Then it's bad already

Don't need to show

[shut sand]

No no its not, its only bad if it leada to u having uses ur cds less times in a boss fight

[normal mist]

Which you obviously know in advance, right?

[shut sand]

Or boss doing a mechanic before ur shit is uses up

[shut sand]

Yes

[viscid aurora]

Cds with bl > cds without bl

[normal mist]

Correct

[shut sand]

Bloodlust lasts long so its fine

[normal mist]

Delaying CDs isn't fine

[shut sand]

But u have a dilemma which is my whole point

[normal mist]

Never was

[shut sand]

U can do ambush->garrote->mute->rupture

But then ur garrote will be short

[normal mist]

But why

[shut sand]

And u will have to reapply it during dm phase

And u also risk ur rupture being 6 cp

Cuz shiving at 1 cp during opener apparently isnt worth

Even if its highly energy efficient

And 6 cp rupture is a bit less dmg which matters when ur DM buffs bleed dmg by 100%

[normal mist]

Rupture should be cast at 5 or more

It doesn't matter

[shut sand]

So ok what about ambush->mute->check cp wether to shiv or not->garrote? Well ur garrote still gonna fall off and its not up and running earlier so total dmg loss

So theres a better approach

U ambush->garrote->build to 7 cp rupture->rupture->build to 4+ cp->garrote again->env->puzzlebox->you know the rest here, go ham

It doesnt delay the opener by much

Its an extra garrote basically

U overcap by a second or 2 on it

But u dont run out of it during ur oneshot

Which is the whole important note

[normal mist]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-netflix-series-kopN26K2ThF9j7RL4K

Would you mind not cursing an already cursed chat

You overcook

[shut sand]

No its giga

I’ll show it when I’m home

[normal mist]

I don't think anyone wants to see that

[shut sand]

Everyone will want to

[real pike]

wait are we shiving

in FB?

[golden loom]

no

[shut sand]

I keep it as a rule that I shiv if im running out of energy and just tryinf to buy time until my envenom falls of so I can get energy back

I dont shiv when im good on energy nor when im bursting

U got nothing to do so why not get 2 cp for 10 energy?

Seems like a good deal to me

[wraith knot]

I shiv in m+ when mobs enrage

(Learned that today I didn't even fking know shiv did that now)

[shut sand]

Also on warriors in bgs

Hunters can also dispell enrage if u didnt know

They still for tranq shot in midnight right?

Only 2 classes that can dispell enrage

[real pike]

which dungies have angry bois in

[viscid spear]

It always did

[wraith knot]

I don't remember it doing that over a decade ago

To be fair I might've just forgotten

In any case it was another thing I learned

[fathom flax]

@balmy condor did you use feather on alleria because puzzle box is annoying to cast? haha

or

😛

[wraith knot]

Oh god don't make me switch again I'm only just getting used to the damn thing

[fathom flax]

its so painful man

[wraith knot]

"Dw guys I'm just standing still for the trinket hehe haha.."

[fathom flax]

reduce cast time and reduce mastery if you need to or just let you cast and move haha

[wraith knot]

Honestly I wouldn't mind this at all if they reduced the mastery a bit just to let me cast it on use in a macro

It's not difficult it just feels weird

On the other hand, it kinda saved my fingers this morning prolly

[floral iron]

jumped into norm void spire in an attempt to get my 4th tier piece. im assuming all the blasters are in H/mythic but still telling myself im not washed yet 😅

[fathom flax]

go us

mines n/h tho

[floral iron]

that's significantly more impressive

[fathom flax]

im washed dw

[wraith knot]

That's good you smell nice

[real pike]

if you boys wanna know what washed actually looks like

[haughty flicker]

why did you post my logs without my permission wtf

[rugged basalt]

Switch to healing dropdown to see bigger numbers dw

[polar bridge]

I went to look at logs.. how are you playing sub but being reported as assa??

[strange onyx]

His dmg is sub optimal

[fathom flax]

i am a sub human

but what?

[polar bridge]

nvm lol i clicked on the log and automatically clicked on the highest dpsing rogue in the group

but it was another rogue

my b

[viscid spear]

Thought they were mine but noticed they weren't gray

[onyx crane]

I know this feeling, idk how ppl can play so well

[normal mist]

Mostly padding

[severe meadow]

I did NOT give permission to post my logs

[fervent relic]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[real pike]

bruh my last season was fine

idk what's happened this xpac

[digital venture]

I feel you guys. I'm playing sub this tier and it sucks. Miss sin alot

[normal mist]

Okay, then play sin?

[brave gyro]

is 2 set worth catalyzing for assa?

[severe meadow]

Tier is kinda weak but if you want to you can

[brave gyro]

well i probably will for sub anyways, but was just wondering

[rugged basalt]

I’m greeding till I can guarantee 4 pc

[plucky ember]

so how do i do the opener with the puzzle trinket?

any tips

[rugged basalt]

Right before deathmark

[ornate jetty]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486090402275786873/drops.png

[plucky ember]

so KB, trinket and then dm

okay okay

[rugged basalt]

Trinket dm kb

[plucky ember]

ah

[rugged basalt]

So applying bleeds, envenom once, box dm kb

[plucky ember]

perfect

[latent kernel]

so its worth upgrading hero puzzle box to 6/6 immediately right?

[coral ibex]

if it dropped 3/6 yes

otherwise keep farming m+ for 3/6 hero to save crests

[worldly bridge]

Yo i’m still wondering if I’m playing outlaw/sin/sub this season. Can you guys help me out ?

I’m usually a Sin player but I feel like it will be bad in M+ and I don’t want to swap between 2 specs for M+/Raid. Can anyone change my mind about sin viability in high keys ?

[tidal shuttle]

for some reason crit is suddenly simming worse for me than haste. why is this? like the salhadaar neck sims 0.5% worse than the renown one even tho it has more crit and higher ilvl

[plucky ember]

the new stat prioritys are Mast>haste>crit

so makes sense

nwm

[worldly bridge]

When / why did this happen ?

[plucky ember]

i was thinking somethiung else

[royal lantern]

stat priority is not a real thing btw

[tidal shuttle]

nevermind i'm stupid. i had the primary stat gem in the old neck but crit/haste in the new one lol

[weary stump]

Just gear subtlety and play sin when you want, you can use subs m+ gear almost entirely for sin

The only thing that is ever different really is trinkets

So you can run either interchangeably for the most part; just don't gear outlaw on the same character early in season

[worldly bridge]

isnt outlaw good with crit/haste too ?

[coral ibex]

yea but it uses a different main hand

[weary stump]

The weapons and trinkets are too different

So it's aids to gear both early

It'll be a cold day in hell when I claim a sword from vault early in a raid season

[worldly bridge]

alnseer is bis everywhere

[weary stump]

I'm more generalizing with the trinket bit, but fair yeah

You'll still run into your sword issue though, unless you just accept heroic weps for your outlaw gameplay for a long ass while

[violet hemlock]

Can always craft a sword.

[weary stump]

using that many sparks this early on on a sword when it could be daggers and wrist

[coral ibex]

what a waste

[rare stone]

Just play sin, it feels totally fine in m+

[analog field]

i mean also a hero weapon yeah you lose some dmg but it is kinda ok and you can play all 3 specs

[meager latch]

I am looking for help when it comes to doing M+10 keys right now. I am playing the fate bound build from wowhead and i keep bleeds up a large majority of the time during pack pulls but I am doing Brew master tank dps. i am not sure how to really break out of that. I am opening every time with Gar - Gar - Rup - Crim Temp ( until all NPC have bleeds) - Env, Unless there is 1 big guy we are just trying to burn then ill throw (Box - DM - KB -ENV -Crim Temp after Rup). would be refreshing the bleeds to early ( before 9 sec for each pack play that big of a dps lose) or am i not chaining env properly.

[coral ibex]

unless you are maining outlaw

crafting a sword is insaneo-mode

and not in a good way

[weary stump]

Crafting sword is accepted in like

[strange onyx]

Hello I have been summoned

[weary stump]

4 weeks

[strange onyx]

What can I do for you guys?

[shut sand]

Theres no stat prio for sin

[strange onyx]

hmm

acolyte of mine

[normal mist]

I mean it's true, probably the first reasonable thing he said today

[weary stump]

When will the Costco hot dog increase in price

[shut sand]

We have agi then its STAT WEIGHT not priority

[normal mist]

Wait

Hold up

You blew it

[weary stump]

Lmao

[normal mist]

Should have seen that coming

[shut sand]

Only way to know whats best for u is simming in combination of stat weight addon

Blew what?

I was never trollinf

I was serious when I said there is no stat prio only stat weight

[normal mist]

Okay just so I don't immediately think you're wrong, what do you mean by simming statweight

[coral ibex]

ive never looked at a stat weight and i never will

[weary stump]

Same

[coral ibex]

top gear only

[shut sand]

No they’re seperate

[weary stump]

I just vibe with ilvl and accept life

[shut sand]

Im saying u check stat weight then u confirm an approximation with sim, obv sim isnt 100% accurate but its very accurate regardless

So say ir says well hey

U have so much crit, that ur next point of crit is better put into haste

So u add haste

U sim it

It says u did more dmg

[golden loom]

whats my attack power equivalent on rogue

[shut sand]

Well congrats ur now following stat weight instead of stat prio

Cuz if its only standard stat prio with no breakpoint in mind

It’ll always be agi>crit

[weary stump]

Does stat weight get effected by ozempic

[shut sand]

Which isnt accurate for all setups

Cuz u’ll want a bit of everythinf

Realistically

[coral ibex]

speed stat

[shut sand]

Yes

[weary stump]

[golden loom]

and how much hit do I need?

[tired wagon]

7.5

[coral ibex]

17%

[sacred oyster]

glass cannon go brr crit/haste/mastery lol

[normal mist]

You know, that's why you shouldn't talk

The more you type the less reasonable you are

[shut sand]

Ok tell me how im wrong

[normal mist]

Start by "check stat weight" and end in " u confirm an approximation"

Now I understand why the purple boss isn't dealing with your wild takes anymore

[shut sand]

Yea cuz sims are not correct 100%

[runic hinge]

Wrong

[spice spire]

Stat weights in the year of our lord 2026?

Dog

[shut sand]

What

Patchwerk 5min sim is not an accurate raid fight

[runic hinge]

Sims cover thousands of iterations. It’s literally the most accurate thing you could use to compare gear

[golden loom]

so if we can agree that sims are not 100% accurate, why do you want to use something even worse

[spice spire]

No it’s not but stat weights are even worse dog

[golden loom]

quake make it quake sense!

[shut sand]

If im standinf still doinf nothinf with no intermittence in fights

And no cleave

And assuming sim is using most optimal rotation

Then sure

But ita not cuz they legit recenrlt changed the rotation

[haughty flicker]

i would like to ask what apl you think stat weights is based on

[runic hinge]

Lmfao

[echo heath]

The argument doesn't even make sense and contradicts itself with the premise

[shut sand]

It doest know, they test what they think is the best rotation for ur talent setup

[weary stump]

Just remember, the more speed you have, the less likely you are to meme in alleria and hit the wall of the other platform instead of landing

[spice spire]

The hidden Omni-present fight calculator

[rugged basalt]

Based on…?

[runic hinge]

Based on DN

[haughty flicker]

stat weights is just

not meant to be used in the big 2026

[spice spire]

Big TC do not want you to know this!

[shut sand]

Stat weights is maths bro

It doesnt have anythibf to do with sims

[runic hinge]

Lmfao

[rugged basalt]

Wait till you find out what sims are

[runic hinge]

This is so cooked

[weary stump]

When are we getting a beloren child of alar in glorp format

[shut sand]

What is mathematically correct is different from what sims shows is better

[rugged basalt]

Dih

[haughty flicker]

wait that goes hard

[runic hinge]

@spice spire miss you bby let’s key soon

[shut sand]

Because stat weights shift mid fight

Stat weights dont consider

[coral ibex]

oh brother

[shut sand]

Stuff like SnD

[haughty flicker]

beloren child of glorp

[shut sand]

Being up

[weary stump]

We need it twin

[runic hinge]

Okay he’s baiting on purpose. Cause there’s no way someone could be so wrong

[weary stump]

@balmy condor pookie we need this

[coral ibex]

rank 13 being a 97 on any fight is literally 1984

[shut sand]

U legit a noob

[spice spire]

My brother in Christ it works off of sims

[runic hinge]

Yeah okay I know but I do know how to do math

[shut sand]

Why would u think im baiting when u dont even know what stat weight is?

[normal mist]

We do know

And we don't use it

[coral ibex]

bro aren’t you the guy who said he’s never used a combat pot and suggested using actual thistle tea pots

calling people noob

[spice spire]

This is deadass the lowest tier bait I’ve seen.
And if it’s real I’ve been got good

[shut sand]

And?

[coral ibex]

cmon

[spice spire]

[rugged basalt]

I use previous season alchemical pot because it’s balanced and gives equal weight to everything. Crit pot is overkill

[normal mist]

XD

[spice spire]

Real

[shut sand]

Nice mockery

Tryna be funnt i see

[rugged basalt]

I wasn’t trying

[golden loom]

my hp is a healer mechanic

[west crown]

Are there any bosses that sin is strictly better on? I’m 98-99 on sub right now and wasn’t sure if I should swap over for any of the bosses.

[rugged basalt]

I always sit and revitalise after stealthing. Sims don’t tell you to do that

[coral ibex]

assa is gonna be better on most fights that dont have add spawns near sub's cds

and on longer fights with 2 execute dm's

[sacred oyster]

is for them damn dragons when you dont have high dps lol. pretty damn simple fight as a rogue

[coral ibex]

i can't wait for all the bullshit shitter mobs to get taken out of logs so i dont have to feel bad about playing for boss dam

[sacred oyster]

somethings counting trash in logs?

[weary stump]

What if we use bubbling wax and tww daggers to goop the arena in chimerus

[rugged basalt]

Can’t you exclude them

[weary stump]

[coral ibex]

not trash

[haughty flicker]

goop

[rugged basalt]

Does “dmg to boss” include boss fight adds

[sacred oyster]

eh taking ads out of a boss fight would be wrong, if a fight killing ads is critical that dps is important.

[coral ibex]

when adds die basically instantly

[haughty flicker]

they do it all the time

i'd be surprised if the shitter blob adds on alleria dont get excluded from logs

[sacred oyster]

i guess some is prob ok to take it out

yeah one of my first attempts at alleria i went to interrupt an ad and figured id kill it then realized group moved on w/o me lol.

[weary stump]

When the main tank and some DPS go in the opposite direction as the rest of the raid

[boreal lichen]

i simmed the ozzing vestige trinket and it seems to be worse then many other lower item lvl trinkets. I thouight it is A tier for us. Should i still take it or the 266 gloves ?

[sacred oyster]

did you sim it at equal ilvl to your current trinkets?

oh nvm i missed the detail in your wording that its worse than current ones

im still iffy on that 'tier list' for trinkets

[boreal lichen]

yeah it is 10 item lv higher then puzzle box, the void renown trinket and the wind feather

[sacred oyster]

id just trust the sim

tier list doesnt even list the paw trinket

[lime onyx]

It has an aoe component so try simming 2 target or dungeon slice and compare the results. Should help you determine if it’s actually better for fights w adds or not

[boreal lichen]

Ah makes sense ty

[royal lantern]

fck

now i have to play it

[spice spire]

Got it first dungeon

[fallow canopy]

I have to get in the mines to farm that puzzy b

[spice spire]

We’re in hell so far

[fallow canopy]

but i dont want to

[stray fox]

Puzzle box feels good just try it

[coral ibex]

its turbo ass

dont lie

[fallow canopy]

I played in DF you cant fool me

[stray fox]

The huge pump after makes up for it

Higher highs lower lows

[shut sand]

GIVEEE

[spice spire]

My favorite is a mechanic going out as I’m casting

[shut sand]

Puzzle box + fully unlocked crucible

[spice spire]

Puzzle box + allnseer atm

[shut sand]

I cant even get allnseer

So that outta the question for me

I failed heroic first week

Sad pepe

[spice spire]

Oh I’m norm alln

[fallow canopy]

same but with the crucible thingy

puzzy b is like +2.5%

[formal harness]

do we just upgrade our crafted weapon with mythcrest? or do we hold them

[royal lantern]

yeha

[torn dome]

imma be waiting https://www.wowhead.com/news/recrafting-items-has-a-chance-to-lose-your-crests-380961

[coral ibex]

idk in my experience there is a 100% chance to consume the crests selected

isnt that the point

xd

[acoustic roost]

the bug is that it doesnt upgrade your item

but still consumes it 🙁

[coral ibex]

probably only happens to bad people who deserve it

[fallow canopy]

its 1 in 9

live a little

[acoustic roost]

we play fatebound

maximum RP

[fallow canopy]

of course

let your fate be bound

[normal mist]

No u

[rancid nimbus]

Guys. Whats the difficulty in keys like? 🙂

[fallow canopy]

if your group is decent super easy

[weary stump]

If your group is bad it feels like playing with ragnaros players

[normal mist]

Hey

Even if you're right, don't say it out loud

[digital wind]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[stark sparrow]

Should I take a cleave build for Vaelgor & Ezzorak or just go with single target?

[sacred oyster]

ST

they arent close enough to each other (if they are your gonna wipe)

[stark sparrow]

thanks!

[sacred oyster]

imo just ignore the ads except for intermission. easy fight for rogue

[unreal fern]

do I fok instead of mut on 2 targets with m+ build?

[fallow canopy]

even tho I get it, it still stings

[weary stump]

You know I'm right

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[vivid mulch]

Not too shabby for first +2

[boreal lichen]

is it possibel to put a gem slot on the crafted bracers when they have a unique embellishmend ?

[vivid mulch]

I really only had trouble once or twice with energy.

[twilit lagoon]

If you're not spec'd into blindside, you fok in 2+

[wispy bough]

How are we spending week 2 conquest as assa?

[kindred walrus]

the optimal conquest spending in week2 for assa rogue is super simple, change spec to sub 🙃

[dapper halo]

how good is the first tierset bonus for assa

[analog field]

it's like 2.5-3% and another so the 4set

[dapper halo]

so not bad but not very good either

[normal mist]

I believe sub is the spec that gains the most out of the tier bonus

[analog field]

yeah

I think boomkin is 2nd and then the rest are kinda mid

[coral ibex]

i gained more dps recrafting my mh to 285 than equipping 4p

[severe meadow]

Yeah dagger was like 6% for me

Crazy business

[wispy bough]

I mean there is already a huge incentive to open garrote on all targets in PvP

The bonus just makes it even better

[coral ibex]

assa simming higher than sub, done with that spec already

[mellow oriole]

Really? I thought sub was still higher than sin in both M+ and Voidspire

[severe meadow]

If all you care about is pad

Black powder doing 40% of your overall is sicko mode

[dapper halo]

aslong as numbers look good and social acceptance is through the roof

[mellow oriole]

Kind of matters in m+ tho

[fallow canopy]

god bless

[coral ibex]

its just not that fun!

[mellow oriole]

This is true

[severe meadow]

I mean idk, we’ve been clearing 10s with none issue

[coral ibex]

and i can show these to my rl and not get questioned on my spec choice (not that i was being questioned to begin with) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dZLYKMbCkFozEN34ULoVD1
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i7ZRXpk85TaEEn25ttVdNA

[severe meadow]

I personally don’t care to push too much higher in keys

[coral ibex]

yea assa is 100% fine in 10s and even 12's

was doing 12's last night no issue

[fallow canopy]

yep

[mellow oriole]

Might switch back then. Played Sin since legion, then switched to Sub during prepatch. Still feels wrong

[severe meadow]

This was the overall from a 9 or 10

Felt fine for me

[mellow oriole]

fucking demo locks feasting right now

[severe meadow]

I mean yeah

[coral ibex]

i miss when i could reliably look at previous dungeon overall charts in details

[severe meadow]

[coral ibex]

now it just lists every encounter

no separation

i did 95k overall in AA 12 last night

and im not even good at m+

spec just owns

[quaint nimbus]

Ok so it’s worth swapping back to sin for 10+ keys
I was running sub bc everything is evaporating and I felt like dots wouldn’t last long enough for good value

[analog field]

sub is also nice in keys and a bit more tanky which is the only "issue" at the moment

[shut sand]

Where is destro? Is destro lock complete dog poo?

[analog field]

a graph I saw yesterday for raid he was like 4th

[normal mist]

Who would have thought that sub, an extremely bursty spec, would do well in dungeons where mobs don't live more than 10 seconds 😛

[tawny oak]

is the ass 2 pc supposed to apply poisons each damage tick?

[sharp trellis]

i swear puzzle box is a nightmare to use in m+ ... i feel like i loose so much tempo

[normal mist]

Iirc cast

[coral ibex]

no just on application of garrote

[quaint nimbus]

Dude it makes me so sad running sin in low keys
Like. You spread ur bleeds and then….. Everything is already dead

[tawny oak]

whack

[normal mist]

Run sudden demise

[quaint nimbus]

Is it working in instances

[normal mist]

When was it broken

[severe meadow]

Assa has some crazy ass ramp in big aoe with CDs too

[quaint nimbus]

Is it working now

[severe meadow]

I was peaking a little over 300k at times

[normal mist]

The talent it self is a shell of what it was

But in low tier content it still blows up stuff

[quaint nimbus]

Ya im a sin 1trick. The ramp in big packs is why i love pushing keys with it

[quaint nimbus]

Ok cool ty gamer

[normal mist]

Whispyr himself has that written in the guide iirc

Let me see if I can find it

[severe meadow]

It’s more broken in open world content because of scaling

But in dungeons we just lose too much to run it

And it’s kinda just ass now

[quaint nimbus]

Tyty

[normal mist]

Tldr good for low content
Bad for high content

[quaint nimbus]

Does a bleed build still exist or is there a good talent node to sacrifice for Sudden Demise?

[normal mist]

Fuck I don't know because I'm not currently playing the expansion

One of the regulars must know

[strange onyx]

Bleed build dead

[coral ibex]

yea bleed is deadge

[quaint nimbus]

Thank you, Loa of Misinformation

[strange onyx]

Nothing to worry about

[coral ibex]

either skip low keys entirely or swap to sub tbh

[strange onyx]

10s are free

[shut sand]

Too many good talents lost on ur way to get demise

[strange onyx]

Did a PoS in 18 min flat

[quaint nimbus]

That’s what i’d been doing lol
Someone else mentioned they had picked up sd for low keys

[shut sand]

The poison counterpart talents are better

The final bleed talent aint bas

[quaint nimbus]

Ya 10s feel extremely undertuned

[severe meadow]

Just play sub in low keys

[shut sand]

But shit like 20% rupture dmf or 20% garrote dmg

Is weak as hell

[coral ibex]

10's are piss

[severe meadow]

We have more gear than we’d usually have

[shut sand]

Theyre that deep

[quaint nimbus]

True

[severe meadow]

Going into 10s

[shut sand]

And still that ahit

While we have talents way higher up

[haughty flicker]

nah 10s now are easier than they were on beta

[shut sand]

That for 1 tp gives 15% garrote and rupture smg

[haughty flicker]

and beta we were scaled to 2/6m or something

[shut sand]

Dmg

[strange onyx]

Sudden demise ain’t all that tbh. Run 10s, if you want more consistent dmg I spaced out Deathmark and vanish

[haughty flicker]

kinda wild stuff how easy they are atm

[strange onyx]

And spread imp garrote with CT

[shut sand]

But the talents leadinf to demise makea the spec feel lackluster

[haughty flicker]

not that im complaining though

[strange onyx]

Remember to spend to get caustic

[quaint nimbus]

Skyreach fucking hurts but the timer is so gracious you can get away with pulling small if needed

[strange onyx]

We are saying the same thing

[quaint nimbus]

Ive watched my tank melt to those mobs a lot when they pulled like. Half the room or more

[strange onyx]

Yeah, that’s why they bring you my lil athrophic guy

[coral ibex]

skyreach is a pain

[quaint nimbus]

There’s only so much my atrophic can do

[severe meadow]

Real

[strange onyx]

Did it in 18m 20 sec

[haughty flicker]

if tank is getting his ass beat swap to numbing

ez

[quaint nimbus]

Honestly it’s fine imo
I dont mind it

[coral ibex]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MAmkW2CG46v8BKPR?fight=4&type=damage-done

[strange onyx]

Seemed chill, Evoker was dead for entire 2nd boss

[haughty flicker]

well you brought a lizard

that was your problem

[strange onyx]

Deep Breath into middle is rough

[coral ibex]

[quaint nimbus]

My partner spammed the living fuck out of Sky Reach back in the day tho so I guess I’m just numb to it

[coral ibex]

i havent done a maisara caverns yet

[quaint nimbus]

Neither
I think it’ll be fun
I’m excited for the gauntlet on the last boss

[strange onyx]

Haven’t done Seat yet

[severe meadow]

Caverns was easy

[haughty flicker]

i cant wait to wipe groups if they talk shit

by using belf racial on the shields

[dapper halo]

shit, assa does so bad in m+

[spice spire]

You changed

[haughty flicker]

[vivid elm]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok/Generator Conditions in Midnight
Always finish on 5+ combo points, or go to maximum with Darkest Night Envenom

• Crimson Tempest -> until all targets have bleeds
• Fan of Knives -> 2+ targets, or 3+ if talented into blindside
• Mutilate/Ambush otherwise

[hazy sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1232770176571805697/puzzlebox.gif

[runic hinge]

@keen spruce your gif is getting lots of use this season

[willow halo]

Is sudden demise good now?

[real pike]

bro key luck has been absolutely atrocious

we've been getting the same 3 dungeons

over and over

btw is there any talent I can drop for faster stealth movespeed in m+ build?

feels horrible not having it any more

[violet otter]

word - I miss that too 🙁

[coral ibex]

yea

dont take the shiv talent

toxic stiletto

[runic hinge]

ye thats what i dropped

[violet otter]

good call - thank you

[real pike]

sweet

[haughty flicker]

just dont take shiv at all

ez

[warm vortex]

Do my stats make me look like a rogue

alojngside the daggers

[civic patrol]

no

[warm vortex]

:(
Is haste not good anymore for assa
iirc it was p nice for m+

I mean i just listened to what sims said

tbh

[old ridge]

hey, is there a good addon to track buffs and debuffs?

[coral ibex]

idk i have like 20% haste in my assa gear

wait that sub fug

[jolly stirrup]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[meager latch]

I’m looking for help with running M+10 keys right now. I’m playing the Fatebound build from Wowhead, and during pack pulls I keep my bleeds up most of the time. However, my DPS is still around Brewmaster tank levels, and I’m not sure how to improve that.
For my opener on most packs, I usually go:
Garrote → Garrote → Rupture → Crimson Tempest (until everything has bleeds) → Envenom. If it’s a single high-priority target we’re trying to burn, I switch to: the top but after Rupture ill (Box) → Deathmark → Kingsbane → Crimson Tempest then rupture.
I’m wondering if I might be refreshing bleeds too early (before 9 seconds) and losing DPS that way, or if I’m not chaining Envenom properly.

[coral ibex]

isnt brew like giga op rn

[timber abyss]

isnt it better to use ambush as first skill when the fight start?
I see the recomended rotation is to start with garrote which give 3 combo points, but amubsh gives 4 if it crit.

[coral ibex]

and what about when it doesn't crit

[timber abyss]

2 points

its risky i know

[coral ibex]

so less cp and you delay applying one of your bleeds

[keen spruce]

Gud

Ig trinket balance is good enough that people can actually throw them in the sea without greifing

[near aspen]

Ngl the sudden demise build has been pumping in 10s

Kinda criminal in ST tho but does decent with puzzle box

[queen parcel]

Isn't it better to spend CP with envenom between tempests ? I'm playing it like this but I'm new to the spec

[lofty elm]

You got a link to the build? Wanna try it in lower keys

[meager latch]

I think they are gigga op but I still feel like I should be above that. But if I am refreshing around 9-12 seconds on my bleeds and not at like 5-7 is that a big difference when it comes to damage? And i do spend Cp on on Evenom if it is above 5 cp

[near aspen]

Checks whisprs midnight video, it’s an hour long. You trade middle tree, for full right side tree (the 3 slots, leading to sudden demise) would link but not at pc rn

[strange onyx]

Lil bit of pad goes a long way to change community perception

[near aspen]

Everything dies relatively quick in 10s tho besides bosses

Felt decent

[strange onyx]

So

You kinda hitting the grief?

[runic hinge]

check pin

[agile fossil]

are impacable stacks still annoying to track ?

[balmy condor]

Don’t have a box

[near aspen]

I can track fine w ayie cdm for implacable

[agile fossil]

whats ayie cdm ?

[coral ibex]

ayije cdm is a cdm addon

[agile fossil]

i see , i will give it a try

[near aspen]

Knew I’d butcher name, it’s in curseforge

[agile fossil]

yeah but it works the same as base UI , once you let the buff fall off and you go again into envenoms it stops tracking it

or am i doing something wrong

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

LMFAO

THEY BROUGHT BACK MFD

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker QoL mostly fixed on 12.0.5 PTR

Deathstalker’s mark can now be moved, but you have to use an extra button to do so and it has a cooldown

Overall a great change that eliminates a lot of the issues target swapping with Deathstalker, but it’s not perfect and most likely will have its own set of problems like optimizing by marking weaker targets for darkest night resets or something

[red schooner]

Move mark to an add thats about to die, gain immediate darkest night for the main target. We mark sniping now.

[agile fossil]

please no

[hazy sundial]

20s cd is weird

[tranquil birch]

I hate it

[red schooner]

I mean I have no clue if that'd be the play or not

BUT THAT WAS THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT OF

I am not the numbers man, I am the 'occasionally come up with bad ideas' man

[tranquil birch]

After playing fb for months id be fine if they just deleted dsm from the game so I never have to think about it again. It just feels like a pain in the ass

[crude helm]

w

[twilit lagoon]

What would make it perfect? It looks like a step in the right direction.

[balmy condor]

Not rigidly attaching it to a mob in the first place

[twilit lagoon]

Gotcha. I think that's fair. Could they do anything to make the rigidity feel more right with a change like this?

[coral ibex]

garrote should move it

no conditions

[balmy condor]

Yeh that would be the better solution to a new button

[coral ibex]

there's already a cooldown on garrote

[twilit lagoon]

Also fair.

[crude helm]

I kinda like the marked target theme

[twilit lagoon]

I love the flavor behind deathstalker's mark

[coral ibex]

i hate that ds is just tankier

[twilit lagoon]

But it is a pain in the butt.

[crude helm]

My issue with DS currently is that it just breaks

[cyan kestrel]

if there was a gambling aspect to it say something like a coinflip

[coral ibex]

evasion is largely useless

without ds

[balmy condor]

The marked theme is fine it’s just insanely hard to pull off because the game is designed to make you feel like shit for doing that

[twilit lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-dean-winchester-oh-you-gif-22671182

[crude helm]

If they fix singular focus we’re back

[cyan kestrel]

they gotta fix the coinflips first

[red schooner]

Time to peddle mark sniping misinformation. (Though I am curious if that'd actually be a gain or not, I'm leaning towards either not or so small of a gain that it isn't worth it)

[twilit lagoon]

Swapping targets feels bad, not swapping feels bad...

[balmy condor]

Like if your damage pressure is missing 2 of the following aspects, it’s bad:

1. Instant/3 second max time required
2. Able to aoe
3. Available without prep

You think of something that giga fucks, anything at all, it is two of those things

Bladestorm or ravager on warrior

[static glacier]

@balmy condor just read up to this marked for death ability, it’s doomed man we ain’t ever getting away from this mark on a target design xd

[balmy condor]

Pyre on dragons

[coral ibex]

has there ever been a spell to like

consume your remaining dots

and do direct damage

[balmy condor]

Torghast power called veinripper

[coral ibex]

did people like that

i wasnt playing in sl

[analog field]

If we are not going to do mythic raid for the next 2 weeks let's say could it be worth to craft the second piece with myth crests?

[fresh kelp]

sudden demise!

[coral ibex]

yea but i mean like

press kingsbane and then some other button makes kingsbane damage happen instantly

[cyan kestrel]

they are gonna bring back 3 min cd version

[balmy condor]

They liked it because it giga fucked like crazy

[coral ibex]

yea it sounds sweet

tying it to vanish gives it a nothing personnel kid quality

[tranquil birch]

Honestly id be fine with it if it were tuned such that it was the best choice in pure ST but behind FB in AoE. The optimization of finishing at full cp durring DN is a fine bit of flavor in ST, it just becomes a nightmare when changing targets a lot in m+

[coral ibex]

thematically i think assa should always be the best pure ST spec in the game

[haughty flicker]

so i wasnt being fucked with

they're actually making marked for death for deathstalker

[balmy condor]

Yes

[hollow river]

Whispyr

Save us

[balmy condor]

From what

[hollow river]

MArKeD fOR dEAtH

[balmy condor]

Fatebound better

[split veldt]

[cyan kestrel]

can they make it so I flip more tails tho :/

[red schooner]

Tying it to vanish so the mobs reset if you're playing solo

[split veldt]

I want shadowrunner and sudden demise

[balmy condor]

Okay well the first is free

You can just take it

[split veldt]

Not if we go back to mark, need shiv talent

[latent kernel]

so youre telling me that the solution to deathstalker feeling like shit was to add another button that costs energy and has a CD

[cyan kestrel]

I want ironwire back

[balmy condor]

Why would that change

[balmy condor]

Correct

[latent kernel]

i feel like this goes against their philosophy of pruning buttons lol

[split veldt]

Shiv talent for 7 pt

[coral ibex]

you prune buttons so you can add bullshit later

[latent kernel]

just to add in a functionality that should really already auto exist passively in some capacity

[coral ibex]

obviously

[split veldt]

Feel like blizzard refuses to admit they fucked up with mark, just like they refused to admit RtB was buns for years

[coral ibex]

well for me at least i swapped toxic stiletto to movespeed during stealth

[balmy condor]

There are more points than those two

[coral ibex]

what would you drop to take both

[cyan kestrel]

Deeper Stratagem

[balmy condor]

Featherfoot/iron stomach

[hardy sierra]

I feel like they fucked up with a lot of the changes. I've been playing assassination for a very, very long time, and in terms of just fun factor, this is the worst it's ever felt. Nevermind the numbers being low, it's just boring. Not pressing buttons due to a lack of energy isn't fun, and personally, I don't find satisfaction in pooling and choosing when to use it. It sucks.

[analog field]

Whisp crafting myth 2nd piece is that bad ? I have seen you talking bad things about it

[balmy condor]

Yeah ofc

[latent kernel]

in perfect AOE world, they should just make DS mark a 2min CD that applies DM to everything around you, and envenom auto pops all marks in the pack

[analog field]

But I was thinking that we have like 200 gilded so probably we won't be behind

[latent kernel]

would be fun as hell

[balmy condor]

You wanna spend 80 myth on a fucking wrist?

[coral ibex]

what is our total myth crests available rn

130?

[balmy condor]

250

[analog field]

250

Yeah i was thinking that probably I won't havbe enough pieces to spend the crests on.

[coral ibex]

wait where did the 20 come from

[analog field]

Not sure tho

[coral ibex]

30 from ??

[analog field]

cracked keustone

y

[coral ibex]

oh right

where tf do i get that quest

or do i just go do a delve

[analog field]

delve 11

[cyan kestrel]

if you dont like pooling how have you played assassination for so long lol

[hardy sierra]

It's never felt this starved before

[coral ibex]

never is a long time

and i can remember a time when assa was slower than this

[cyan kestrel]

are you mismanaging Implacable

[coral ibex]

yall dont know about pooling 150 energy to cast 2 mutilates during your envenom buff

and it shows

[balmy condor]

I can remember multiple times does that make me even older

[latent kernel]

am i tripping or is using this ability a dps loss no matter what bc in ideal world you would always move mark with envenom bc of energy efficiency

[balmy condor]

Correct

It’s designed to be a dps loss

[cyan epoch]

im not playing rogue this season but like
Why the heck isn't deathstalker mark just a buff on the player at this point

[balmy condor]

The gain is you get to move the mark

[coral ibex]

less of a loss than leaving your mark on some target you don't care about

[latent kernel]

so basically its just a crutch for if you fuck up your rotation somehow

[cyan kestrel]

has it not been slower at any point in the last few years anyways u dont have to be old to remember

[spice surge]

Or the game bugs out

[coral ibex]

sounds like it

[spice surge]

yes

[latent kernel]

lol what an insane pile of slop change

[balmy condor]

Less skill issue, more just mob spawns insta swap

[royal lantern]

fRiCtIoN

[balmy condor]

minor technicality

[royal lantern]

thats why we get a halfassed "solution" like that

[lament bolt]

Huh, so we're in the redirect phase of please just put this on the casting rogue and not the target.

[latent kernel]

its okay guys, it works perfectly in open world content where we fight 1 mob at a time, and rp through quests

[strange onyx]

Anyone else having fun in normal?

[balmy condor]

No but LFR is great

[latent kernel]

LFR is peak entertainment if you dont take it seriously at all

genuinely so funny

[strange onyx]

farming tier for non 4 piece andrews

You got 4p yet Bucko?

[balmy condor]

I finished raid with zero

[cyan kestrel]

same 😄

[balmy condor]

I cata’d 2 piece after

[strange onyx]

I'll see ya next season

[latent kernel]

get rid of DSM and just make exsanguinate our hero talent

[strange onyx]

Finally can take that vacation you dreamed off

[balmy condor]

Okay but I have a hero Alnseer with speed

[latent kernel]

bring vendetta back

[sullen bramble]

i have hero tier head and gloves, already got non tier hero chest, just got champ tier chest and i have a catalyst to use. someone tell me wether i should sacrifice the chest ilvls for 4 piece?

[dusky granite]

What a Deathstalker fix on PTR

[latent kernel]

you should get 4 piece asap since you can earn more catalyst charges as soon as you get the achievement

[balmy condor]

Sounds like someone needs to farm more m+!

[lament bolt]

Speedrunning 4pc is the way to go this season since it opens up catalyst charges raining from the sky, isn't it?

[strange onyx]

yo short time to make a video about the ptr

[balmy condor]

I am in a power outage or I already would have

[normal mist]

They created a problem, and fixed the problem with something dumber than we had BEFORE they created the problem

[severe meadow]

Holy mark change

Chat, are we Pogging

[latent kernel]

so confused why they are adding additional buttons and talents for things that should just be baseline, MFD and negotiable contract lol

[severe meadow]

Oh we’re dooming about it being a button

[normal mist]

And costs energy

And has a cd

Wtf

[crude helm]

i think the CD thing is whatever

[severe meadow]

CD is kinda whatever

[normal mist]

I want to complain

[severe meadow]

How much energy? I skimmed the notes

[normal mist]

20(?)

[balmy condor]

25

[severe meadow]

[worn nimbus]

DS is poop delete it from the game

[severe meadow]

Alright well, good change

[cyan kestrel]

30

[severe meadow]

People doom regardless

[royal lantern]

i mean, its jst such a weird desicion

just make it a selfbuff allready

instead of this halfassed thing

[severe meadow]

I’ll take a button over nothing Tbf

[strange onyx]

Sorry to hear about America, shorty

[worn nimbus]

See blizz has you conditioned jay

Take the spoon fed slop they give

[severe meadow]

Hey man I like assa right now

[cyan kestrel]

They should make fatebound tails stacks stack on the target as a debuff since we hit them with the coin

[worn nimbus]

Me too

[latent kernel]

forcing me to spend energy and use some dumb ability just so my hero talent is usable on the target im currently attacking is insane lol, meanwhile most other hero talents have a legitimate form of flavor and replace an already existing button to flow with ur rotation

[balmy condor]

How dare you

[worn nimbus]

But the DS changes are doodoo

[severe meadow]

I also can just simply not play DA

SA

DS

like I am right now

[worn nimbus]

But why have a hero tree that is dump? They need to rework it or something

Or make it do crazy dmg it’s not worth keeping track of

[severe meadow]

Idk man isn’t that what a lot of classes deal with

Is pointless doo doo that needs changing

[latent kernel]

also why TF is the DSM icon a floating purple "X" above the targets head???? EVERYTHING IN THIS XPAC IS PURPLE IT DOES NOTHING

[worn nimbus]

purple ground with purple effects is also annoying ngl

[severe meadow]

Sorry dad..

[lament bolt]

Void expansion. Everything will be gold next expac.

[latent kernel]

dodge the purple circle, on the purple ground, from the purple boss, wearing your purple tier armor, while fighting the purple adds lol

[crude helm]

at least its in the CDM!

[latent kernel]

lazy ahhhhh icon

[worn nimbus]

Okay now we nitpicking

Chat gpt cooked that up

[severe meadow]

If we’re going to complain

Go big

[balmy condor]

The thing that does nothing but move the mark is using the mark icon?

Time to start a fight

[livid forum]

25 energy is too big

[severe meadow]

Change the icon, change the animation, change the energy, change the cd, change the literal 0 bitches we get

[worn nimbus]

Why does feint cost energy?

I’m not pressing it I’m parsing

[balmy condor]

How bout you change your attitude and start dooming like everyone else

[severe meadow]

Bro I’m trying

[cloud dune]

Whats wrong with assassination

[cyan kestrel]

buddy must be new around these parts

[azure carbon]

You parse less from the floor. 😂

[severe meadow]

EVERYTHING

[worn nimbus]

Healer problem

[balmy condor]

THERE WE GO THATS MORE LIKE IT

[crude helm]

okay so the stack count persists

[cloud dune]

Ok but have you seen outlaw?

[latent kernel]

change the icon, lazy ahhh icon for a lazy ahhh ability

[balmy condor]

DOOMING COMES FROM THE HIPS

USE THE HIPS

[severe meadow]

No

[cloud dune]

Lucky

[latent kernel]

lazy ahh icon and lazy ahhh ability (with hips)\

[worn nimbus]

We won’t be in RWF im dooming

[severe meadow]

I have never once wanted to play outlaw

[worn nimbus]

Sub tier again…..

Dumb ahh pvp spec in rwf

[crude helm]

it sounds crazy but I think you might just macro it into envenom nvm it doesnt work

[golden loom]

damn these normal fights live really long!!

[analog field]

lol just received plume

[balmy condor]

Perfect, yes, tap into that 20 year old boomer shit

[analog field]

from delve quest

[azure carbon]

With the energy cost? Idk...

[balmy condor]

It does that yeah

[latent kernel]

macro-ing it into envenom is an insane idea lol

[lament bolt]

No point dooming when I'm nowhere near the cutting edge of anything. I play a spec I'm familiar with and try to prevent the dozens of kittens I'm herding from standing in fire or falling off the platform and it usually works out

[severe meadow]

Where do I get dozens of kittens

[worn nimbus]

That’s too forward thinking

[severe meadow]

I’m apparently doing something wrong

[balmy condor]

Yeah but didn’t you know that if you’re not the top best giga damage spec then you’re literally the worst person on earth and need to uninstall

[worn nimbus]

Just go on wow logs sort by damage and if ass isn’t #1 then doom

[latent kernel]

has it even been #1 genuinely asking

[worn nimbus]

and when haven’t we doomed?

There’s a common theme there

[crude helm]

okay

ive hit dummies for 2 minutes

[balmy condor]

Okay next question, how long until someone opens the datamining that doesn’t understand the datamining and asks why assa got a 5% buff

[crude helm]

this shit is pointless

[strange onyx]

yo assa

got a buff or?

[thorn thorn]

Soon as its posted

[balmy condor]

3 min ago

[severe meadow]

Hey I was wondering why we got a 5% buff in the datamine and you didn’t post about it?

I thought you wrote guides or something

[balmy condor]

Shut up jay

[mortal crystal]

Thinking about this, too. Seems like it's worth it for me, at least, who only pug heroic and eventually some mythic bosses.

[worn nimbus]

Datamined is out are we doomed?

[balmy condor]

You need to doom this much 🤏 to be able to troll me

[analog field]

I mean if you dont mytic raid there is no reason to not craft it I would say

[crude helm]

im more confused why there are other people on the ptr rn

[worn nimbus]

Because KSH only took a day to do

Make keys hard again

[cloud dune]

I'm used to being top 3 dps in my raid. Right now, I'm the worst. Granted, I did take an extended break around shadowlands and just came back.

[azure carbon]

You can do that yourself, lol. Just run a bigger key

[balmy condor]

I mean rogue isn’t top 3 but it is FAR from the worst

[thorn thorn]

Take off gear until 2s are hard

[analog field]

I mean there is an issue with that, cause heal checks cannot be overcome

But to yearn for dps checks is a valid argument

[crude helm]

you know what the best part of Mark for Death is? it requires a mark so if blizzard says fuck you and make it disappear im p sure youre still just gg'd

[strange onyx]

unc fell off

[runic hinge]

What stat weight sim do I use to know when to switch my death stalker mark

[golden loom]

target count