#assassination

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haughty flicker
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but then you get to p2 and p3 and do nothing

dire smelt
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warcraft logs needs to get rid of add dmg in p1

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its just

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so dumb

strange onyx
haughty flicker
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i mean spriest also does huge damage to the bosses as well p1

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its just p1 doesnt seem to matter

wraith knot
haughty flicker
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maybe that changes in mythic, but thats unlikely

dire smelt
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or smt

wraith knot
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"Reducing THEIR damage done by 70% for 8 seconds"

haughty flicker
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theres a boss with a cast that does that

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but its not the circles that do that

dire smelt
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bro my bear druid was highest dps in p1

wraith knot
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The cast is a circle around the boss

haughty flicker
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you arent going to be near that boss

wraith knot
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"Of players within 15 yards" that's a circle with radius 15

haughty flicker
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until its got a damage amp and you just one shot it

strange onyx
wraith knot
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Does it or does it not reduce your damage and is it or is it not a circle

haughty flicker
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technically correct but still useless advice

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pog

strange onyx
wraith knot
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You wanted advice

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I'm trying my best man

dire smelt
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just remember to press this humble button when checking cosmos logs

strange onyx
wraith knot
dire smelt
haughty flicker
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he is the wcl dev

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thats john warcraftlogs

primal smelt
dire smelt
strange onyx
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Warcraftlogs guy raids in my guild. Same guy who makes Archon and Wowanalyzer / wipefest. Same with the WarcraftRecorder guy

wraith knot
strange onyx
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That’s how me and @balmy condor became best friends. He loves Archon

balmy condor
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it's true, I love archon so much

strange onyx
balmy condor
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the misinformation train must keep chugging in the name of shareholder value!

strange onyx
wraith knot
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I think we should make him president

grim jay
balmy condor
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I know it's ironic coming from john wowhead, but I miss when fan-made things weren't monetized to shit and flooded with ads

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just some autist with too much free time

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life was simpler back then

wraith knot
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Yo what Stealthi loves cooners

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I love cooners

balmy condor
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stealthi is a racoon

primal smelt
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Thottbot days

balmy condor
strange onyx
wraith knot
strange onyx
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Don’t be toxic, use noxxic

grim jay
balmy condor
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just endlessly long paragraphs

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and 15 run on sentences with rambling information

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those were the best

grim jay
wraith knot
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The good old days

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And getting flamed in trade chat for using punctuation and grammar

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Where did we go wrong

rugged basalt
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I prefer poorly drawn mspaint infographics

strange onyx
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I miss flowchart guides

wraith knot
grim jay
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Noxxic and Izen sheet in a span of a few minutes, Whispyr must be cramping

grim jay
rugged basalt
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Did this in a meeting 5 min ago

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Pulled up mspaint KEKW

wraith knot
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They were like holy shit he's an archeologist

rugged basalt
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They interrupted me to ask if I was on a tablet

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Yeah pills maybe, device no

mossy blade
balmy condor
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xeph in ravenholdt

grim jay
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With a yellow name even

mossy blade
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i was in ravenholdt before ravenholdt was a thing

dire smelt
balmy condor
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who told you that you could leave evokercord

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back to saeldur jail

mossy blade
wraith knot
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This is so funny man

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I came here to learn, I stayed to shitpost

balmy condor
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that is typically how it goes

grim jay
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Thats the way of the sin

balmy condor
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the learn to shitpost pipeline is strong

wraith knot
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AAA+ baby

balmy condor
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now someone explain to me why my enegy threshold condition is +5% in aoe and -1% in cleave

grim jay
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Whispyr initially only came to lurk

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Look at him now

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The biggest shitposter there is

balmy condor
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stealthi just who I needed

earnest remnant
balmy condor
analog field
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guys help me . I got shoulders hero 3/6 do i use crests on them ?

wraith knot
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STEALTHI

balmy condor
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explain

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and yes this is the only context you get

wraith knot
balmy condor
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my hieroglyphics ass variable naming and all

balmy condor
golden loom
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hmm judging from those sims... I think some haste and vers would pump the numbers either up or down

analog field
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Maybe tier set shoulders in vault ?

wraith knot
balmy condor
rugged basalt
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Upping to 4/6 probably harmless, no?

wraith knot
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I think if you had better stats you would maybe do more dmg

rugged basalt
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Is shoulder stat weight low

balmy condor
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shoulder is high stat slot

golden loom
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well only situation is if you get myth shoulders cause then u can upgrade to 5/6 for free and then upgrade to 6/6 for discount on the myth shoulders

balmy condor
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yeah that checks out

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I'll try that

rugged basalt
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My goal next week is populating 3/6s and then upping some before heroic raiding

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I guess I’m taking Friday off KEKW

balmy condor
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okay, poll for the chat

golden loom
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I have vacation this week so I will be a bit of a degen when m+ releases garf

balmy condor
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if I push an APL update that has a small loss in 2-3 target patchwerk and nothing else

grim jay
balmy condor
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do we care

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will anyone notice

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can we just ignore that

haughty flicker
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sandbagging already wtf

grim jay
rugged basalt
balmy condor
golden loom
haughty flicker
grim jay
grim jay
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Noone looks a the apl for rotation advise on 3t cleave

dire smelt
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is sudden demise better for m0

grim jay
rugged basalt
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Let’s see if I can reach 160 crest on Tues

wraith knot
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Kinda

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Idk what I'm talking about

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Do yall like trains

balmy condor
rugged basalt
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Pre-sandbagged

balmy condor
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but assa sims have gone up 12% in the last ~30 hours

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so

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ya know

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that's fun

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we love that

wraith knot
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Wait so what changed tho

balmy condor
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literally nothing except the sim isn't a stupid piece of shit anymore

wraith knot
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Oh you mean the amount of sims people did

balmy condor
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no

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I mean dps

wraith knot
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Oh

grim jay
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Sin meta

rugged basalt
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We are so back???

balmy condor
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not really

wraith knot
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Bro call blizz tell them to call off the 4% we might get out of hand

balmy condor
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I mean probably

rugged basalt
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POGGIES NUMBER HIGHER

balmy condor
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sims don't really affect log dps

haughty flicker
rugged basalt
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Let me live.

balmy condor
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like our viability doesn't change, the sim just gets more accurate and number up and whatever maybe a talent swap and like some minor min-max changes

golden loom
rugged basalt
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Lord knows assa could get a 50% aura buff and my logs will look the same as a guy run over by a truck once a day, every single day.

haughty flicker
balmy condor
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just humor me

wraith knot
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Yeah do it

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Humor Whispyr

dire smelt
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are u guys playing sudden demise or tempered for ur m0s

balmy condor
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tempered

wraith knot
grim jay
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Eww m0s!

balmy condor
balmy condor
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wow nothing changed but the number went up

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that's crazy!

haughty flicker
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now i will play better

balmy condor
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do it again magic purple man!

haughty flicker
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thank you whipspsrsrty

balmy condor
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I'm like william afton

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except instead of killing children

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I kill sim bugs

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life is eternal hell!

wraith knot
subtle tundra
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great now make assa good

haughty pewter
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Still mad I got overlapped on dragons. I could have went into week one as number one, instead I’m just number 2.

balmy condor
wraith knot
subtle tundra
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good trade.omw to LA

balmy condor
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I don't live in LA ya doingus

rugged basalt
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Seconded I think, I’m not sure

balmy condor
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there are other cities in california

subtle tundra
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😭

rugged basalt
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Process of elimination

balmy condor
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didn't we just have a discussion about me jumping off the golden gate

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like 2 days ago

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do you think the golden gate is in LA

subtle tundra
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thought that was . .

rugged basalt
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You don’t have to live nearby to jump off it

haughty flicker
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there probably is a golden gate somewhere in LA

subtle tundra
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.. mmm

wraith knot
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If you're going to San Francisco, be sure to wear a poisoned dagger in your hair

grim jay
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Im surprised varas knows where LA is

balmy condor
subtle tundra
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have a friend who went to college in LA

rugged basalt
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Can only be sf dogekek

warm vortex
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Whispyr genuine question
No flame
Are you like
Kinda silly

balmy condor
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no

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I am VERY silly

wraith knot
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Damn calm down Rodent

rugged basalt
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There is no in between to silliness

balmy condor
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vend, genuine question

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this you?

haughty flicker
warm vortex
balmy condor
golden loom
wraith knot
warm vortex
balmy condor
golden loom
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this looks scary!!

balmy condor
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I think

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it's been like 4 hours of staring at sims

warm vortex
balmy condor
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I am fried

warm vortex
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Hi fried I’m ven

strange onyx
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Go on vænn! We bølieve in jå

golden loom
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I swear to god if we get talk of double on use!!

balmy condor
runic hinge
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please dont make puzzlebox better i want to not use it

grim jay
wraith knot
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Please don't I'm already not using puzzle because I can't

balmy condor
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I do as the numbers command

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I don't make the rules

wraith knot
runic hinge
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yeah well math man make the numbers command me to leave the box in my bags

golden loom
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I mean you can twist the numbers and therefore you can make the rules

strange onyx
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I ain’t using puzzle box

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Simple as

wraith knot
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If I wanted to do puzzles I'd.. Uhh.. Idk go do puzzles bro

warm vortex
grim jay
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The only puzzle I have to solve is how to get Whispyr out of his pants

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Wait what

wraith knot
# warm vortex

I watched this guy a bit a while back, that's hilarious

balmy condor
warm vortex
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Unlike the rat

wraith knot
warm vortex
wraith knot
primal parrot
grim jay
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But it mightve also been the other way around

wraith knot
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Can you feel the love tonight

balmy condor
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okay why the fuck pooling good single target, pooling good 2.5 target, pooling bad 1.5 and 2 target

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why

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explain

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stupid robo

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I'm gonna lose it

primal parrot
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assassination so far in the dumpster you have to learn how to rizz the boss instead of damaging it

runic hinge
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when did you have it

sharp viper
wraith knot
balmy condor
wraith knot
primal parrot
rugged basalt
warm vortex
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Oh my fucking god

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My usb was pre owned

balmy condor
warm vortex
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I’m doing a forensic imaging case of it and there’s left over remnants

tall spindle
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Hi, quick question, does simms take into account our execute talent?

balmy condor
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yes

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all sim targets by default go from 100% hp to 0% hp over the course of the sim

tall spindle
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I didn't know that, ty

subtle tundra
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in a gradual manner

wraith knot
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And then it explodes and does 0 damage because there is nothing else there

balmy condor
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multi-target sims are similar, but each mob has a set duration of life

grim jay
balmy condor
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like dungeonslice for example

rugged basalt
balmy condor
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2 min boss, then aoe pulls

warm vortex
balmy condor
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each mob in those aoe pulls has a slightly randomized amount of time

golden loom
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Is pooling good in 5 target 1 min sims

warm vortex
subtle tundra
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you know what, this is kinda sweet ;3 all 3 rogues being dogshit for each other

tall spindle
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what is dungeonslice?

runic hinge
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:3

warm vortex
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Creation of a controlled forensic environment

balmy condor
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the fight style we use to sim m+

warm vortex
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I’m so pissed bruh

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This is gonna make me reset everything

balmy condor
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depends on the talents it seems

subtle tundra
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idk but if assa has energy issues in aoe, its dead to me

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sub all the way

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;3;3;3;3;;3;3;3;3;;3

golden loom
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5 target 1 min with lust

primal parrot
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game dead

warm vortex
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Tf was this guy making
What’s an OGG file again

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Isn’t it just audio

sharp viper
balmy condor
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ogg is audio and video

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it's like mp4's stupid meth-head brother

warm vortex
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I’m actually malding

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So fucking hard

golden loom
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wait whispyr - 1.5 target sims means the .5 target comes in now and then right

grim jay
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Sounds like corn

warm vortex
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It’s just a bunch of random sound files and some acapela YouTuber

warm vortex
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Just a bunch of sound effects

golden loom
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so what if the sim for some reason tries to pool while the 2nd target is out and thus losing dam

rugged basalt
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there’s like ogv oga ogg

warm vortex
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Ok so somehow

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It got files deleted from 5+ years ago

And files I’ve used

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Ima actually gonna blow up

rugged basalt
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Is this a second hand drive

warm vortex
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It’s due in like 4 days

warm vortex
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Didn’t think about that either

balmy condor
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I overcap 10 less energy, I overcap 3 less combo points, my damage goes down by 1%

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explain

warm vortex
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WAIT

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OH MY FUXKING GOS

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THE OGG FILES ARE DBM SOUND EFFECTS

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BECAUSE I SAVED MY WFT FOLDER ON THIS WHEN TRANSFERRING MODS SISBDHDHJDR

haughty flicker
warm vortex
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I was like

Huh
Adds.ogg
RunAway.ogg

grim jay
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Rodent verified female

warm vortex
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Now the acapella makes sense

primal parrot
warm vortex
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It’s the sound when you kill a boss

grim jay
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Making up problems out of thin air and creating a whole Story

rugged basalt
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It’s okay just dd the drive it’ll all be gone soon

grim jay
rugged basalt
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You don’t need anything

wraith knot
warm vortex
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I’m actually

grim jay
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Yes

warm vortex
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Bruh

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Maybe I could do that ig idk

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I have to provide the forensic image

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Idk if I do

torpid venture
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Hey gang, anybody else having issues maintaining decent dps in heroic fights right now or am I just washed?

golden loom
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Depends what you compare it to

wraith knot
torpid venture
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I do fine in the council fight maintaining around 70k, but ST at 255 ilvl I can barely scratch 45-50k

boreal lichen
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How many mythic crests do I need to recraft my dagger ? 80?

torpid venture
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Yes

wraith knot
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Is that even worth it at this point

subtle tundra
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anyways

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horny again

wraith knot
subtle tundra
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did the mango make hc dagger?

wraith knot
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Also wait people got myth crests already?

rugged basalt
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30 from nullaeus ??

subtle tundra
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yes

wraith knot
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Right shit I haven't tried him

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Ugh

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Effort

haughty pewter
rugged basalt
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Just do it in a party

subtle tundra
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hc last bos?? mayb

golden loom
subtle tundra
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i know

torpid venture
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Vora and Saladbar are definitely mostly single target

haughty pewter
balmy condor
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salad is for sure mostly 2 target

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unless your tank is an idiot and keeping the orbs a billion miles away I guess

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but that's a skill issuue

torpid venture
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that might be a factor

subtle tundra
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also idk the boss

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i dont play the game

rugged basalt
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Needed cleave on orb 2 mainly. Ranged was on orb 1

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That being said I did st on it

torpid venture
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Whispyr, would you happen to know a good goal for single target assa dps?

subtle tundra
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cheese

haughty pewter
balmy condor
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idk what that means I'm ngl

subtle tundra
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number==irrelevant

balmy condor
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depends entirely on your gear idk

subtle tundra
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buttons pressed == correct ✅

torpid venture
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It is relevant when groups won't keep me for fights like Vora heroic 🙁

rugged basalt
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Do I sim vanguard using quicksim and 3 bosses?

balmy condor
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2t cleave add

golden loom
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vanguard is like mostly 2 target

rugged basalt
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Okay

golden loom
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this felt very good

rugged basalt
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Cleaveadd 2t 5m latest

haughty pewter
balmy condor
golden loom
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what is goal cleave

haughty flicker
torpid venture
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Then I am doing something wrong, I'm struggling to get that high

haughty pewter
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Autocorrect kicking my ass on the train is what it is lol

rugged basalt
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Umm ¡GOL! PELE 🇧🇷

golden loom
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the rank 1 guy played 1 point in scent of blood which I dont think is that good

balmy condor
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I mean are you >250 ilvl, do you have tier, do you have two embellishments

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did you buy enchants

torpid venture
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I am at 255, 1 embellishment

balmy condor
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255 is crazy

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what

rugged basalt
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Okay it simmed 89k I don’t even know why I opened raidbots my goal is 55k

subtle tundra
rugged basalt
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vale… Sad

balmy condor
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I mean at this point either you're wearing an int piece or you're playing giga wrong idk

haughty pewter
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Isn’t embelly wrist and dagger the move right away?

balmy condor
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I played like shit at 238 ilvl on our heroic kill and managed 50k

balmy condor
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should've crafted a wrist this week

torpid venture
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Maybe I'm just losing my touch, I got aotc day 1 on dimmy and then fell off until this, I feel sluggish now with assa

subtle tundra
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with spark?

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record your gaymplay

golden loom
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spark it upp

balmy condor
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with spark, without crests

subtle tundra
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and send us

balmy condor
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or send logs

subtle tundra
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actually

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i can coach you

balmy condor
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we can keep blindly guessing forever

rugged basalt
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I was barely 50k on vore but I definitely fumble on adds

subtle tundra
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if you have some spare change

haughty flicker
subtle tundra
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$1 is a billion romanian currencies

balmy condor
rugged basalt
balmy condor
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at least for the parse

rugged basalt
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Im not sure how rogues should like, play and focus things in raids and I just go off intuition

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I should watch some vods

balmy condor
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with current tuning? you hit boss

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you ignore the rest of the fight

haughty pewter
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#doingitright

rugged basalt
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Ignore add?

balmy condor
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if things come near you, you cleave it

torpid venture
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I will record the next time I log in and get you guys some info before I ask for further assistance

balmy condor
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if they don't, you ignore it

rugged basalt
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I’ve been altering talents according to the ummm raid tips page that has talents per boss

haughty flicker
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me hit boss

subtle tundra
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doesnt assa do some of the worst cleave in the world

rugged basalt
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Is that kosher

haughty flicker
primal parrot
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is there any Sudden Demise build that isnt full on grief

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i want to play bleeeeeed

balmy condor
rugged basalt
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Was there something wrong on it

primal parrot
wraith knot
balmy condor
golden loom
rugged basalt
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I know I was ignoring cheeseburger adds on dimmy and I assumed it’s the same for some bosses here

haughty pewter
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Ok, here’s a question. Do I chase my Deathmark target in p2 when it swaps out for the last 3-5 seconds and shadow step back out or do I just abandon it?

wraith knot
balmy condor
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p2 of what

haughty pewter
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Cosmos

balmy condor
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probably ignore it

rugged basalt
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I’m good if I use the guide’s talent instead of the raid tips page then

balmy condor
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for the most part, that is the same thing

rugged basalt
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There was a minor change but I’m forgetting what talent it was

golden loom
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the spatter damage even on vanguards is kinda sad to see garf

haughty pewter
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I was experimenting with both, the simulacrum is under 30% at that point so I was thinking the execute damage might be worth it, but I guess there’s still mega cleavage. Plus there’s really no rush in P2, just a “can you not die here” type of phase.

rugged basalt
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Attributing any failures I have with walking towards adds and doing mechs

warped moon
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now i am become 1997 toyota camry

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anchor of logs

wraith knot
shut sand
# golden loom this felt very good

FoK build with blindside looks tempting, i was thinking doomblade and improved poisons but the imp poison appli chance doesnt appli to FoK and even if it did it’d be redudant cuz that very hit that became one for applying poison instead of not, when u have that extra 5% appli chance, would get poison anyways cuz of crit… also doomblade doesnt spread on CT, I just hate imp garrote tho 😭 and the 50 energy

warped moon
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do we think the devs will maybe make deathstalkers mark a little better maybe?

shut sand
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Im sure its great for short aoe fights where the imp garrote doesnt run out and u start to need to use regular, and u got vanish on the next big pack

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So u could cycle vanishes

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But for fights where the packs die too fast or long fights imp garrote loses a bit of value

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Still probably very good

solar wyvern
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I didnt go downstairs and then swappes big add once it was close and in execute range

shut sand
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That fatebpubd is like 5-10% better

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Its insane

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Why are the talents so shit?

solar wyvern
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Assa takes too long to ramp to hit smallies so just hit boss swap when it matters

shut sand
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Like tf

golden loom
subtle tundra
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we dont want deathstalkers mark

golden loom
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no doomblade no blindside

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and you fok on 2 target

warped moon
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omg *covering deathstalkers mark ears*

shut sand
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So u still have some ST

golden loom
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well paladin boss is always atleast 2 target

shut sand
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Its not that bad with the ambush talent that makes ambushes give anywhere from 3-6cp

warped moon
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i still want to know what i am doing wrong when i see the 3 mark stacks on a target and use 5 combos on it and the 3 mark stacks is just staring back at me like what now u fool

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and im like idk i will flip this coin now i guess

shut sand
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Go fatebound

warped moon
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ya

shut sand
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It parses better on any raidboss

warped moon
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well thats good to know

shut sand
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I tried it to see if it was better but it wasnt

warped moon
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fatebound is just so like

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feels off theme idk

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but oh well more number

wraith knot
haughty pewter
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Deathstalker just ends up being annoying to play around. Plus with shiv not buffing bleed/nature it’s guaranteed crit loses some oomph.

warped moon
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ya

shut sand
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Fatebound sounds like some old god shot

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Shit

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Or game of thrones shif

warped moon
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IM JUST GONNA SAY IT

shut sand
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Ni-

warped moon
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OUTLAW AND FATEBOUND UR NOT A ROGUE

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😤

shut sand
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Oh..

haughty pewter
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Pirate Class

primal parrot
shut sand
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Ehh… nervous

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Ofc that wat u was going with… haha…

shut sand
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I knew that

wraith knot
balmy condor
severe meadow
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I see morning chat is a little weird

balmy condor
#

why

shut sand
haughty pewter
#

Fuck it, let’s get nakey boys!

shut sand
#

Like toss a coin and fate either saves u or not

#

Rogue luck

shut sand
warped moon
#

why on earth haha

severe meadow
#

weird either way

shut sand
#

I did the lay up and lobed the ball but there was no alley-oop

shut sand
balmy condor
#

I mean if that's what he would've said it would've been a very quick lob for sure

shut sand
#

I thought he was going to say ”Ninjas are not rogues”

#

Hence my reply

balmy condor
#

you know you can stop digging yourself deeper into the hole, right?

severe meadow
#

xd

shut sand
#

Remind you I use he in a gender neutral way as I have no way of knowing who’s behind that screen and what they’re self identifying as

severe meadow
#

?

shut sand
#

So now I can’t get into trouble for that either

#

Just checking all the disclaimers off

balmy condor
#

interesting

severe meadow
#

I'm just

#

adding this one to the ignore list

warped moon
#

i forgot to add the 👵 to my name

shut sand
wraith knot
#

So like

#

Does Jaywalker walk Jay

#

With a li'l leash

#

Asking for a friend

severe meadow
#

You're both weird

shut sand
wraith knot
severe meadow
#

You're right

shut sand
#

Jay’s job ain’t to think

wraith knot
#

I know I am but what am I

shut sand
#

So its fine

runic hinge
#

I hate when my prey world quest is at one end of the zone and killing it for the hunt is at the other

shut sand
wraith knot
shut sand
#

So you’re right, again.

wraith knot
#

Checkmate, atheists

rugged basalt
shut sand
#

Damn right, Aliens confirmed and all that

#

Illuminati up in dis bih

warped moon
#

the vibes are off 🙂

rugged basalt
balmy condor
#

the vibes are horrendous in fact yeah

wraith knot
wraith knot
primal parrot
#

the vibes are fucking gone what the fuck is it im reading

rugged basalt
#

Yeah first time seeing the vibes be this bad, but I think it’s because I’m not here that often

warped moon
#

oh boy

rugged basalt
#

Atrocious

shut sand
#

Fking hate gnomes

primal parrot
#

u gotta stop typing

wraith knot
#

Weren't we joking

warped moon
#

i have learned my lessons to not outlaw slander or fatebound slander

primal parrot
#

rn

warped moon
#

bc it led to this

balmy condor
severe meadow
shut sand
#

Haters gonna hate

balmy condor
#

I'm beginning to think it's not ironic anymore

rugged basalt
#

What’d outlaws do to you

wraith knot
severe meadow
#

Racist and not funny

#

Is a crazy combo

wraith knot
#

Just to be clear I was being ironical

rugged basalt
shut sand
#

At least I’m not playing deathstalker

#

Imagine that

severe meadow
#

Both of them are weird tbf

rugged basalt
#

Meant it in general and not targeted

shut sand
wraith knot
#

I don't know what's going on anymore tbh

warped moon
#

i like deathstalker for theme but it has not been good to me

balmy condor
warped moon
#

im just old and dont get to play a lot anymore 🙂

rugged basalt
#

Glenn’s okay I’m farming kek’s off them

shut sand
#

The theme fits assa rogue

haughty pewter
#

Yous a bit too happy to be saying that

shut sand
#

But blizzard wants me to go outlaw cowboy style on assa rogue with fatebound

#

And im not liking it

primal parrot
#

the chat feels tainted rn

wraith knot
#

I wanted to play deathstalker until Whispyr's guide said "it can be punishing-" (didn't understand the rest of it, figured the best thing to do was just change to fatebound)

torpid venture
#

Alright guys I figured it out, I am just bad and wasn't letting implacable fall off properly before resetting into my rotation

warped moon
#

yes let it get to 80

haughty pewter
warped moon
#

it feels bad to wait for a buff to expire imo

torpid venture
#

Love going back to my BC rotation of not playing the game for several seconds

shut sand
#

Irl lagging

warped moon
#

but it is what it is and u can do stuff in the meantime sometimes

wraith knot
#

Is it ever good to 1 combopoint envenom at 65 implacable to get the 80 going on you faster?

#

I've wondered about that

warped moon
#

ive done that

#

im not even ashamed!!!!!!!

haughty pewter
#

Made the joke at 168th, didn’t get posted until 200th street smh

wraith knot
strange onyx
#

What have I missed?

primal parrot
analog field
#

a lot of misinformation

shut sand
tepid grove
#

Morning! I tested spamming Envenom on the target dummy without pooling energy, and then ran the same test while pooling. It turns out I deal more damage and DPS without pooling. Is that normal?

torpid venture
#

I did 58k ST on a dummy while I was troubleshooting my small dps problem

severe meadow
strange onyx
severe meadow
#

Just go to bed Skoop, it ain't worth it

shut sand
#

But whether u envenom on 1 cp or 2 or 3 is usually obly for opener

strange onyx
#

It’s 12:51 in the afternoon

haughty pewter
#

I wish I was unemployed. I just got to work.

balmy condor
tepid grove
rugged basalt
wraith knot
strange onyx
#

You think of me like some burgerboi like that Whispy fella?

shut sand
#

But why cant i envenom after garrote tho?

torpid venture
#

I did 2 full minutes to simulatre a normal dps rotation

analog field
torpid venture
#

simulate*

shut sand
#

Cuz if u do garrote 2x mute u could get stuck on akward cp amounts like 6…

strange onyx
wraith knot
shut sand
#

And u dont want 6 cp rupture

balmy condor
#

what

primal parrot
#

so you want to drop implacable at what, 65 stacks?

balmy condor
#

maxes at 80, so you'd drop at the latest on 80

wraith knot
#

No, if you 1 combopoint envenom at 65 then you get 80 and it drops fast

#

But it's still not best to do

#

Apparently

strange onyx
#

20 15 15 15 15

balmy condor
#

1cp envenoms are just giga inefficient

rugged basalt
#

I’m inferring that you want to ideally get it to 80, but if you’re unable to hit a 5+ combo and you’re at, say, 50 or 65 you just let it drop there

strange onyx
wraith knot
rugged basalt
#

The grey numbers bible

strange onyx
#

You guys don’t stack enough crit and haste

rugged basalt
#

My gear is haste lopsided

shut sand
#

So not worth

balmy condor
shut sand
#

Just save the 2 sec to build ur envenom

#

U built to 65 u can surely save 2 more seconds to get to 80 with a 5+ cp envenom

haughty pewter
strange onyx
tepid grove
#

@rugged basalt in case you missed, my "test fights" duration was 5 minutes

wraith knot
#

It was just an idea/question I had, I'm new guys, no need to explode in my face over it

torpid venture
#

poor choice of words

balmy condor
#

we're exploding on your face?

rugged basalt
shut sand
balmy condor
#

👁️

warm vortex
wraith knot
balmy condor
#

what

rugged basalt
warm vortex
#

Oh

#

Ok never mind

#

:(

severe meadow
tepid grove
strange onyx
rugged basalt
shut sand
#

I wonder if best time to drop implaccable is during mob pack spawn on a boss? It will fall of naturally as ur going to the pack right? And gathering them up anyways

shut sand
#

Ull need the energy for aoe spam

haughty pewter
shut sand
#

U wont get an extra KB in raid fight

haughty pewter
#

But timing on fights is so important

shut sand
#

For using early envenom

#

Its not bro

strange onyx
haughty pewter
#

That alleria p3 timer is tight this week

shut sand
#

U should adjust ur timings to fit a proper rotation that does dmg

#

Then u use ur cds

#

Not other way around

#

If thats the argument

#

We might as well pop death mark and Kb out of stealth

strange onyx
#

Someone @ me if someone is being too stupid or misinformed

shut sand
#

Instead of getting garrotte and rupture up

wraith knot
shut sand
#

I dont pop cds until i got all my bleeds and have done at least 1 env on the target

#

The dmg diff is too big otherwise

latent kernel
#

I wish they made it so instead of envenom doing big dmg initially, it just giga buffed our poisons to make up for it

haughty pewter
#

I’m talking about a single 1cp Envenom potentially at the 3min mark. Not just throwing 1cp Envenoms all the time

shut sand
#

U can use them after bleeds and before envenom, as it lets u envenom early and get ur snd and buffs going

#

But ur first envenom after popping cds

#

Will be weak

#

So the question becomes

#

Is the faster ramp up through cds more total dmg

#

Over the total dmg done by having more total dmg done during ur cds popped cuz u envenomed before u popped them?

warm vortex
#

Just dig the knife deeper?

#

Idk what the big problem is

shut sand
#

So like do u bleeds->cds(quicker env buffs)->insta envenom…

Or bleeds->build to env->env->cds->big env?

severe meadow
cinder steppe
#

Hi, offtopic question, but anyone knows how is possible to have the stop casting or bait things like in this video in sec 0:30? it looks like a weakaura but as far as i know there are not WA anymore right? Or is that just dbm/bw customization?
https://youtu.be/xrDGzvF3s8I?is=Cmy72HnknwRGIWTe

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The video is irrelevant i just saw the weakaura like reminders and would like to replicate it to my raiders

golden loom
cinder steppe
#

Even this circle? The stop casting one

digital venture
#

that things shows up for me with the same font xD

warm vortex
#

Jk
I actually did it on purpose

severe meadow
#

We don’t have any survs on the team this tier xd

#

Went from 2 to none

cinder steppe
#

Thank you so much!

warm vortex
#

Sentinel is bugged in a way that makes it infuriating to play

#

So we want Pack leader

#

And that wants double dagger as auto attacks give us focus

#

Funnily enough
Sentinel would benefit from being turned into a buff instead of a debuff
Aka

The exact fucking change that would make deathstalker 100% more enjoyable too

severe meadow
#

Our comp is way less scuffed this tier

#

Except we have a rogue on the team..

warm vortex
#

Fair

#

Btw the sent bug is even more infuriating than DS

#

Because at least with DS you can chose what gets the mark

deft lark
#

Hi friendly rogue , Do you Know why hate are better than mastery in midnight ?

shut sand
#

With simc can u edit the rotation?

spice surge
#

Yes

#

But its not straightforward

latent kernel
#

so we craft myth dagger ASAP next week right?

errant swallow
#

Ngl that was hilarious @dark sphinx

limber ibex
#

Hello! Probably a silly question but since I can apply an additional non-lethal poison, should I always maintain Crippling Poison besides Atrophic in PvE? I was reading the Icy Veins guide and it was a bit unclear

static glacier
static glacier
#

I’d just craft for making farming 10s less painful

latent kernel
#

so not rlly a loss

static glacier
# latent kernel so not rlly a loss

You can sim it to see if it’s a loss or not if you have the myth dagger, regardless offhand weapon dps is surprisingly good this tier so it’s less of a loss if a loss at all compared to the next alternative

rugged basalt
#

are there situations where it would be a loss?

static glacier
#

Long term you’re never making a mistake upgrading dagger to myth, it is bis

latent kernel
rugged basalt
#

Yea

static glacier
#

Short term you could argue if you looted a myth dagger from raid / vault using the myth crests elsewhere could be stronger than increasing OH ilvl

rugged basalt
#

My thought was it’s non weapon gear that’s doubtful

static glacier
#

Personally I’m crafting dagger even if I’m expecting us to kill dagger boss

static glacier
devout cove
#

How impactfull is this 4% buff going to be?

wanton spear
devout cove
#

Nice

wanton spear
#

i couldn't make the lines any closer lol

static glacier
#

Generally speaking I would say unless you need immediate power very desperately AND you have the myth MH dagger from raid you just auto craft dagger at myth - raidbots can inform you if you’re in that position anyway

devout cove
wanton spear
#

i think that 2nd boss is going to be a serious damage check on mythic.

static glacier
#

My raidteam has extremely good damage, its mechanics we clown

#

If it doesn’t die I’ll be surprised

wanton spear
#

i mean the 2nd boss is just the cupid shuffle for the most part

#

stand in donut, slide to the left, stand in donut, slide to the right. then intermission the cha cha good 2 go, at least on heroic lmao

devout cove
#

I love the easy mechanics

#

Sidenote, how did people constantly fail Castle Nath dance mechanic? Shit boiled my blood

shut sand
#

The dps checks are rough for first week

#

Good, it seperates the bad groups from the very coordinated

#

Needless to say I can see the dps checks just getting worse as the seasons come out

vernal gate
#

Guys is it worth recrafting dagger with hero crests now?

devout cove
#

Why not? I recrafted my bracers to R5

#

with hero and all that

jaunty sky
#

only craft with myth crests if you care about crest efficiency

#

or no crests

coral ibex
#

no you should never craft with hero crests esp not 2 days before m+ and farmable myth crests

rugged basalt
coral ibex
#

hero crests should have only gone into 3/6 track items since that's what will drop from m+ on tuesday

#

any crests spent below that will have been wasted

rugged basalt
#

2 days away from being able to try to farm hero 3/6, along with earning myth crests

#

Well 1 day

severe meadow
stuck lodge
#

Where are we going to be able to get mythic crests easily? Need 80 for the weapon and I don't imagine my guild is clearing mythic or heroic raid anytime soon

haughty flicker
#

time for some keys then

coral ibex
#

m+ of course

haughty flicker
#

at rank 4 you can also get mythic crests from t11 delves but its capped at 20 a week

sacred oyster
stuck lodge
#

Isn't it like keys that are +9 or whatever

haughty flicker
#

yes

sacred oyster
stuck lodge
#

Which might be a stretch for some

haughty flicker
stuck lodge
#

Shitters like me

haughty flicker
#

it used to be 7x3 from gilded chests, for 21 total a week

sacred oyster
#

i thought i read it in game, but if not thats good

haughty flicker
#

now its 5x4, for 20 total

sacred oyster
#

oh right delve boss is 35 wasnt it

sacred oyster
# stuck lodge Which might be a stretch for some

just spam run keys youll get gear. just stay at levels you feel you can do fair dmg for. you can always run your own key too if you have trouble getting invited. downgrade it to stay at your level

rugged basalt
#

30 from null ??

placid fable
#

30 outside of cap from Null

rugged basalt
#

Ya it’s 30 uncapped

stuck lodge
#

I'm not confident in my ability to beat null on ?? With assassination

rugged basalt
#

Party up

haughty flicker
#

yeah you dont have to solo it for the crests fortunately

rugged basalt
#

1 tank however many dps and healer valeera

sacred oyster
#

it was very easy with no one dieing for us, just takes 20 mins

stuck lodge
#

For some reason I didn't even think that was a thing lol

#

I thought it was solo only

#

Nice

sacred oyster
#

thats for achievement

rugged basalt
#

It’s not tied to Let Me Solo Him

stuck lodge
#

Gotcha, thanks

wraith knot
normal mist
#

You'd be correct

devout cove
#

What's that out of 100?

wraith knot
#

Fiddy thou

normal mist
wraith knot
analog field
devout cove
#

Four 🤔

analog field
#

not sure if it has changed

#

half are saying 7 and the other half 9's

haughty flicker
#

well that was about delves, not key level

#

but yes for dungeons its weird

analog field
#

aaaah

#

sorry my bad

haughty flicker
#

it used to be 7s but the tooltip says 9s

#

but its a blizzard tooltip

#

so who the fuck knows

rugged basalt
#

Lizard
Lizard
Lizard
Lizard

devout cove
#

Whats maplestory?

coral ibex
#

not much whats maplestory with you

devout cove
#

4%

plain thistle
little current
#

does implacable feel good to play around?

devout cove
#

Personally, no.

#

It's annoying to keep track of it. Especially since blizzard's CD tracker doesnt track it properly

#

And I feel like the energy regen is lackluster

mortal drum
#

on the flipside i think the energy stim at max stacks makes pooling feel a bit more bearable

#

but it doesnt matter if the bliz tracker doesnt work lol

#

dont wanna stare at the corner of my screen

devout cove
#

^

#

Thats the biggest annoyance

coral ibex
#

insofar as energy regen is so fast that you often simply ignore the apex

rugged basalt
coral ibex
#

no it doesn't feel good

rugged basalt
#

I can answer that only after we’re able to track it better

mortal drum
#

granted this is first expac playing the spec so i have nothing to base it on prior

coral ibex
#

if you have more than ~80 energy when you get to max implacable

#

you're gonna regen so much you will overcap

rugged basalt
#

I personally think it feels better to play the spec compared to last expa, but I was playing atrociously in s1-s2

coral ibex
#

you have to be literally completely dry when you hit 80 implacable for it to matter

#

it sucks

mortal drum
#

sure but when you ARE completely dry and it procs the 80

coral ibex
#

the spec still isn't slow enough for bonus regen to matter

static glacier
#

y'know what the most insulting part of valeera as delve companion is?

mortal drum
#

maybe its the outlaw brain

coral ibex
static glacier
#

the fact that it showcases the tons of creative directions blizzard could take sin rogue defensives

#

and the fact that they just choose not to

mortal drum
coral ibex
#

if you get really unlucky with blindside procs it can happen more often

mortal drum
#

yeah but i dont wanna attribute something that happens semi regularly to unluck

#

how else can i chase the funny golden number

coral ibex
#

barring more rework, the spec will only get faster again as we gain more stats

bleak sedge
#

Maybe dumb question but i guess we hold envenoms as long as we can (until implacable expires) if implacable is not at 80 yet to make sure we always get to 80 stacks?

coral ibex
#

more crit, more haste

static glacier
#

we have too much energy for disciplined pooling to be a significant gain

vocal basalt
#

I find more and more that sometimes implacable is a failed talent

analog field
#

the issue is with the numbers

#

the idea is nice I'd say

static glacier
#

I think implacable is a great idea

bleak sedge
#

mhhh maybe my stats are off then because sometimes i feel i cant get envenom out fast enough to keep it up if i just spam my stuff

static glacier
#

we just have too much energy

vocal basalt
#

There are times I'm just sitting at a 150 energy forever, and then there are times where I basically am begging for the tank to wait to pull a next pack because "pls give me more energy sir"

static glacier
#

if we had less it would really drive a cycle of pool til like 705+ energy, chain minimum 8 envs let it drop and pool

mortal drum
static glacier
#

but the issue is that would need to involve like 4-5 globals of actual waiting if they stopped the energy overload, and people would hate that

mortal drum
#

i figured it was tea procs i wasnt tracking

vocal basalt
#

There's just too much varaince and it impacts the flow of the class.

analog field
#

variance is ok cause in the long run it evens out

#

ofc you may need 3 mut for envenom but other times you need 1

#

it doesn't make or break the fight

bleak sedge
analog field
#

but sometimes it will fall of but it is ok cause you have to apply bleeds again, or a mechanic is coming etc.

#

Also if it falls, you didn't lose anything

#

you have energy regen while starting the next chain

bleak sedge
#

Isnt pushing it to 80 preferrable always?

analog field
#

I mean it depends

bleak sedge
#

I butchered that sentence lmao

analog field
#

80 regen is good

static glacier
analog field
#

but also 1 stack is the most efficient as it is 20 15 15 15 15

#

It will drop and you will have the regen and then go to 5

strange onyx
#

I heard 1 combo envenoms are best to get the flow going

shrewd night
#

I heard that we should never trust the loa of misinformation.

analog field
#

I mean it is kinda in the name

royal lantern
static glacier
vocal basalt
static glacier
#

the way your last kb tick affected your burst if it crit or not was absurd

#

the final tick hit as hard as some classes would do over like 10-15 seconds

vocal basalt
#

I mostly played rogue in TWW, I don't ever recall it having so many mood swings, but maybe I didnt play it at the right level

static glacier
#

relative to now we're chilling

strange onyx
analog field
#

tww season 3 was maybe the faster and more balanced season

#

and this one is really close to the previous season

grim jay
#

Now what are you gonna do about that

#

Lil freshman

strange onyx
#

Who told you that?

grim jay
wraith knot
#

Don't worry Skoop has investigated Skoop and come to the conclusion that Skoop is innocent

shrewd night
#

"This person always lies."
"YEAH WELL, IM OLDER THAN YOU."

It so happens, it was another lie.

warm vortex
red schooner
strange onyx