assassination

[shadow lark]

How does it feel to play? I dont care too much about numbers. I'm more curious how the rotation feels

[balmy condor]

I think it’s great, much smoother than tww

[stuck lodge]

Spin two plates and count to 5

[balmy condor]

People will bitch about no energy though

[shadow lark]

Hasn't that always been an issue thats had to be worked through?

[analog swan]

thats cuz ppl never used regicide or tried to understand it

🛌

[cedar pelican]

Hello super new rogue here, QQ. During Kingsbane is it okay to mutilate during the 5 free attacks it does? it sometimes doesn't get all 7 combo points so I'm wondering if a mutilate during the sequence, does it cancel it out at all?

[balmy condor]

….what

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it’s slow in aoe now too so people are flipping out

[balmy condor]

Yeah you can mutilate, the lashes are 5 combo points, not 7

You should just kingsbane -> envenom once you get to 5

[shadow lark]

people are always flipping out tbf

[analog swan]

i know alot of rogues that never tried to use regicide on pre season cuz people were going mostly dashing scoundrel with scent of blood and complained bout energy

[cedar pelican]

ohh didnt kno that ty!

[balmy condor]

But… the energy from regicide sucks

You don’t take regicide for energy

Also it’s completely passive

[shadow lark]

but cool, if it feels better than TWW assassination, looks like i'll be leveling rogue tonight

[balmy condor]

what do you mean understand it

It’s just haste

I have so many questions

[stuck lodge]

Has the opener changed? I think I saw Sims using imp g, mut, rupture, imp g, mut, mut, envemon, DM, KB, envenom, then normal rotation

[balmy condor]

Nope, that’s still the opener

Won’t be taking imp gar on a lot of raid fights

But you just mut instead

[static glacier]

Looks right if you run imp gar, obv mut to 5 (or 4 if you will imp gar)

[analog swan]

well on pre season atleast you would get like 20%-30% haste on it, decreasing by 2% every second. it gave a nice energy boost i recon. nothing crazy but worked well with venomous wounds and dashing if energy was an issue

[static glacier]

If there was a way to take CT and the talents after caustic without caustic id do it

[stuck lodge]

Gotcha, I think before we weren't envenoming before the DM, KB. Or at least I wasn't.

[static glacier]

Caustic feels super hit / miss this raid

[balmy condor]

You’re getting 30% haste? From a talent that caps at 20%? Tell me more

[analog swan]

each 10% is 1 energy per second +/-

[balmy condor]

This I want to hear

[analog swan]

i typed 20% but then i wasnt sure so i put the -30%, fk

[static glacier]

Bro it’s energy outside of cds

[balmy condor]

It’s 2% haste per 5 stacks of kingsbane

Idk what preseason has to do with it

You’re getting the same amount as you did during preseason

[analog swan]

preseason was very bad on energy no?

[balmy condor]

No?

[static glacier]

Was it?

[balmy condor]

Why would it have been

It’s the exact same as now

[static glacier]

Hold a moment, before you continue - we are not trying to “fix” energy and reach gcd cap, it’s impossible

[analog swan]

i started playing on it thats why i go back to it, saw alot complaining bout it. auto attacking on mythic cuz no energy for envenom

it was preseason anyway

now u got implacable for more energy

[balmy condor]

That’s just how the spec plays after the changes

[static glacier]

That’s what sin is, my man - you build cps, wait for envenom to get low (I don’t even think this matters atm) then env > build cps and repeat. You spend time waiting for envenom duration to tick down while autoing

[viral aurora]

uncorks a large bottle of wine

[static glacier]

The spec by design has downtime

[balmy condor]

You’re correct btw mo

Envenom duration is ignored

[analog swan]

ur right, i get it. i didnt complain on preseason either

[royal lantern]

just slam envenom

dont think

just slam

thinking is stinky

[analog swan]

i did take regicide to help my cause back then tho

[static glacier]

I’m training myself on it as a matter of good habit but legit I think they made baseline apex buff too good so breaking chains prematurely isn’t that major

[royal lantern]

haste has near 0 influence on your energy

[analog swan]

wait what

[royal lantern]

10% haste is 1 energy

[analog swan]

10% haste = 1 energy per sec no?

[static glacier]

And I honestly think this iteration of sin might be the most energy overloaded I’ve seen in a long while

[fallow canopy]

amen

[royal lantern]

look how much mutilate costs mate lol

[balmy condor]

Well the downside to breaking your chain is from losing rapid injection but yeh

It’s not that big of a deal

[royal lantern]

10% haste is a single mutilate in 1 minute

[analog swan]

damn

ur right

[royal lantern]

well, when abilitys cost 50 energy

1 energy more for 10% haste is not really something you will see or feel

[analog swan]

im never using regicide again

[balmy condor]

that’s not the takeaway

[royal lantern]

haste is not used cus "omg more energy"

its just more dmg

[analog swan]

oh wait

haste has alot more than just energy doesnt it

let me google im acting dumb

[royal lantern]

well yeha its dmg

[stuck lodge]

It do be more energy though

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

yes, technically it is

[analog swan]

cast times for spells, increasing auto-attack speeds for melee/ranged, and increasing damage-over-time (DoT) or heal-over-time (HoT) tick rates

ah

[stuck lodge]

Just not like.. significant unless it's pretty high amounts

[royal lantern]

realisticaly its not something that will make you go from "omg im starved" to "omg i can spam 24/7"

we talk about like, 1-2 more abilitys in a minute if you get 10% more haste or smth like that

[stuck lodge]

How does it scale? If you get 20/30% more does it go to 3/6 more

I imagine it's not linear like that

[royal lantern]

.......what? ofc it is

[stuck lodge]

No diminishing returns?

[royal lantern]

and where do you suddenly get 30% haste from

like, 30% is a LOT

[stuck lodge]

I just mean 30% haste overall from gear or whatever

[analog swan]

so on 20% more haste its 2 more energy per sec, all the damage over time ticks 20% faster, attack speed 20% faster

not bad

ofc regicide ticks down quickly, just tryina see the max value

[balmy condor]

Secondaries stats have a diminishing returns, so you’ll need like 110 haste to get 1% instead of 100 haste to 1%, the % itself is just the %

[royal lantern]

its value is "you do some bonus dmg after kb ends"

again, #1 rule in WoW is "dont overthink stuff"

[analog swan]

fk that rule

[stuck lodge]

Oh so its the raw value that diminishes rather than the %

Cool

[balmy condor]

You need more to get the same percent yeah

[analog swan]

i only started overthinking now and look how much i learned in this last hour

[balmy condor]

and that’s only true of raw secondary values

Like if something says 20% haste

[analog swan]

i shouldve joined this server when i started playing

[balmy condor]

It’s just 20% haste

But if something said +2000 haste

That would hit the dr

[analog swan]

how tf am i top dps with so much stuff badly understood

jesus

[stuck lodge]

Like lust or whatever, sure.

[bitter solar]

i like haste cos of swift slasher makes me feel like this irl

[analog swan]

i kinda would like to see a rogue fully speeced into haste with slice and dice

https://tenor.com/view/punch-gif-20604893

[royal lantern]

the same way everyone else does it:

Be lucky and play a spec where the blizzard balance dartboard hit the "overtuned for this patch" arrow

[loud light]

there will never be anything like end of bfa with full expedient corruption and lust/haste trinkets/exsanguinate

your dots ticked like a trillion times a second

[pliant falcon]

Is it even worth playing assa till m+ releases? Feels so weak in m0

[analog swan]

nah im talking of rn. im doing great on raids and such with no tierpieces (heroic)

[violet otter]

woohooo!\

[storm forum]

I swear I could feel the server lag the global I pressed exsang

[analog swan]

btw i noticed raidbot prioritized for me versatility than haste on a chest piece. ill let him do his thing

[royal lantern]

bro its frking m0

[pliant falcon]

Well ye but it aint fun at all to have the whole pack die on u before ur even puttin bleeds on xd

[storm forum]

Our stats synergise with each other, so at some point we want some vers, even though it's generally not our top priority

[crisp pine]

that sounds fucking awesome actually

[balmy condor]

Also this is mostly because world of warcraft is not a knowledge-skill based game in that sense. The game is really good at letting you hit buttons and doing a bunch damage without knowing what the buttons actually do

[crisp pine]

Im gonna be done with that dungeon in an instant

[balmy condor]

Talents especially

If you’re picking random talents

[analog swan]

thats how damage over time works dude, u either watch them bleed or u dont

[balmy condor]

You’re gonna get pretty close to perfect without really trying

[jolly stirrup]

Can relate

[balmy condor]

Because it doesn’t really matter if you’re picking talent A or talent B, when they’re both 2.5% value

[analog swan]

well to be fair im not stupid on terms of playing the class

[royal lantern]

and when the trees are build in a way that makes it almost impossible to not take the important things

• point gates that force you to put points into things

[analog swan]

also i did a nice thing on prepatch that helped me boost damage on some mythic+ that was putting 2 points on scent of blood to do fok>CT>CT and get 20% of agility on a pack with 155 energy (after garrote and rupt)

i dont think its valuable anymore cuz things die too fast for now, need to get into mythic+ to test again with packs that do take time to kill

so i make max value of that 155 energy

[tall spindle]

Hi, i'm new to the spec and I've just seen that the additional poisons we apply have less application chance, so in wich order should I use them ?

[jolly stirrup]

Isnt scent of blood rank 2 not more damage, but yiu need less mobs to reach max stacks?

Or am I stupid

[pliant falcon]

Deadly poison + Amplifying

[royal lantern]

thats not what it does, the order doesnt matter

[frosty cedar]

it reduces the chance of both poisons, so it does not matter

[royal lantern]

its just a small decrease on all poisons

but that doesnt matter cus poisons have a 100% uptime anyway

[tall spindle]

oh I see, I misunderstood that, ty

[crisp pine]

Imagine if it worked like that tho

[analog swan]

yeah, on rank 2 you use 2 CT and ur maxed with 20% agility. with rank 1 you would need to use it like 5 times if u wanted the max agility

[analog swan]

did it matter before or on classic? curious

[stuck lodge]

I dont believe it has ever mattered that way

[analog swan]

that would be a pain

[crisp pine]

in classic you had to craft your poisons

[analog swan]

to be fair its already a damn pain to have to do it every hour

[stuck lodge]

Yeah, but once you applied them they just went on

[crisp pine]

I wish they just gave us a toggle

[royal lantern]

man, idk how stuff was 20 years ago anymore, i was like 10 at that time

[stuck lodge]

No chance to fail

[waxen oyster]

idk how peopl remember shit

from 20 years ago

[analog swan]

this beauty saves me from embarrassment

[stuck lodge]

Yeah its pretty annoying during the hour long pulls, huge dps loss to reapply

[waxen oyster]

hour long pulls

huh

[analog swan]

imagine starting a raid pull, realizing u got no poisons and have to sit there applying 4 of them LMAO

never happened to me cuz of the addon

i cant imagine the embarassment

[royal lantern]

i dont think people here need to imagine that

EVERYONE did that atleast once

[crisp pine]

I just play without poisons

[analog swan]

fk that lol

i would die

[waxen oyster]

i've done it on farm

[crisp pine]

can't be bothered

[analog swan]

holy chad

[waxen oyster]

got orange still

[stuck lodge]

I just obsessively reapply them with like 50 minutes left

[royal lantern]

"pull a boss, realise that something is really weird with energy, notice that poisons are not applied" is a universal part of playing assa that happens atleast once

[waxen oyster]

and frankly i'd rather put my crotch in a grinder than do m+

[jolly stirrup]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/p/DWAiUYaCR0H/?igsh=MXVnbTB2ajdveG41cQ==

@balmy condor relevant ping

[waxen oyster]

more than is mandatory

[azure carbon]

Which is kind of unfortunate imo. I think there's a lot of fun in optimizing talents.

But then again I also really love poe - and I get that that's not for everyone.

[analog swan]

Assasination rogue update:
. Poison application will be automatic uppon entering combat

or

Assasination rogue update:
. Poison application will last until logout or new application

4912sadgepray

[waxen oyster]

i just spam reapply because my fingers get antsy

[crisp pine]

no

[waxen oyster]

not pressing anything

between pulls

[latent kernel]

I did this last night

[crisp pine]

I don't want crippling poison to be on all the time

just give me a toggle

[analog swan]

@balmy condorare u doing calculation rn or afk lol

[waxen oyster]

crippling is bis

[analog swan]

bro oh hell nah

[crisp pine]

I only apply it in sanguine weeks

[analog swan]

get this

[crisp pine]

does that even exist still

[analog swan]

makes a loud noise

you wont like the noise

but you need it

[waxen oyster]

hasnt existed for like 4 years

at least

so no

[crisp pine]

hmmmm

[waxen oyster]

😭

4 years is a lifetime ngl

[crisp pine]

wait srsly

[waxen oyster]

[crisp pine]

ah dragonflight was 4 years ago

[vestal wren]

like this, or is anything missing?

[crisp pine]

get me out

[waxen oyster]

idk m+ is still garbage content

less i have to do the better

[vestal wren]

probably should change the lable "Drops" to "Crests"

[waxen oyster]

i still have never looked at a single one of those charts

for more than 5 seconds

[vestal wren]

ye

[waxen oyster]

no reason to do above 10s

[analog swan]

what?

[balmy condor]

I’m baking

[analog swan]

yes there is

to reach 3k

emoji_102~1

[waxen oyster]

3k does nothing even

gets you an ugly mount ig

[analog swan]

what does cosmetics, transmogs, house, achievmeents, mounts do?

ur playing the wrong game bud

[waxen oyster]

its not even a nice mount

the deathwalkers in SL were kind of neat

[analog swan]

true

[waxen oyster]

couldnt name off one m+ mount since

[analog swan]

i prioritize 3k more so i get invited more often

[waxen oyster]

the only point of housing is to win rolls over other people in your raid

and keep a room of those items to show them

[analog swan]

housing is kinda nice, wish they would learn how housing is used on bdo

[waxen oyster]

yeah getting invited to get a shitty weekly vault faster

thankfully m+ vault is kind of bad now

so can stop doing it sooner

[fathom wind]

is there a bug that when we killed null we get 65 myth dawncrest but only 35 in currency blizz ripping us of

[analog swan]

wtf am i looking at?

[balmy condor]

Pretty sure you’re only supposed to get 30

[vestal wren]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1484624630764273745/drops.png

[vestal wren]

alright, done

[balmy condor]

Huge

[fathom wind]

ahh then blizz need to fix that then

getting robbed

[balmy condor]

You’re actually getting 5 crests more than you’re supposed to

But yeah sure

Robbed

Let’s go with that

[fathom wind]

well done that boss as assassin and was really shit to the end

[waxen oyster]

was a boredom checker day 1

[fathom wind]

yep

[analog swan]

i didnt know u get crests from that guy, thought it was just the toy

[waxen oyster]

not hard though

[analog field]

Whisp I have a question about Sims. Can I somehow change the SIMC code so I change spec?

Like I want to do for assa and sub

Or do I need 2 different strings?

[balmy condor]

I.. what

You want to sim two specs at once?

Or what

[coral ibex]

i think he wants to top gear diff specs

[jolly stirrup]

Legend

[balmy condor]

Top gear diff specs is just two sims, no?

How would that even work logistically

[analog swan]

the ? one right?
the ?? one is kinda tough

[coral ibex]

the question is: is there a way to choose diff specs like you can choose diff talents

in 1 sim

[vestal wren]

it wouldn't

[waxen oyster]

its literally just md valeera

and kick the 1 tap

otherwise waiting game

[analog swan]

ye but his auto on ?? claps half my hp with each

[analog field]

I want to open 2 windows, but I don't want to have to respec in game. sometimes I am on my laptop let's say and I have the assa string but not the sub

[waxen oyster]

thats why you tricks valeera

[fathom wind]

@analog swan yeah the ?? was a lot tough but defo can be done

[analog swan]

tricks? tell me more

[plucky ember]

252ilvl now....lets see how shit my guild will be tomorrow for the norm voidspire

[waxen oyster]

she tanks for you

[balmy condor]

Oh sure just change your spec to sub and change the talent string then, it’s at the top of the import

[analog swan]

oh put her in tank, ill have a look at the curios

[waxen oyster]

no you just misdirect her as healer spec

[analog swan]

does it give hero crests too? im capped on crests this week except for mythic, if it gives alot of the hero crests i probably should do it next week

[balmy condor]

The ? And ?? Fights aren’t seasonal crests

They are outside of the cap

[analog swan]

[analog field]

Ah ok, so if I change the word assassination to subtlety and the talent string I am ok with running it?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[analog field]

ok ok thanks

[vestal wren]

if you change it to outlaw

make sure to switch your weapon to a sword

[balmy condor]

Okay fuu but let’s be serious

Who’s changing to outlaw

[coral ibex]

i got a hero sword drop from raid bc i said "outlaw might not be a meme"

[balmy condor]

Agi mace went to the enhancer

[spice spire]

Solo and guy

Surely

[balmy condor]

But I’m getting the next one

[coral ibex]

we have no enhance or even a surv hunter

[balmy condor]

We have a surv hunter

But he played mm because it’s stupid

[coral ibex]

yea the MM bar was looking way too big imo

[balmy condor]

And has like +30% worth of bugs or something idk what he said

[spice spire]

Pao a freak tho

[balmy condor]

But it was like big gorillion percent bug abuse

[coral ibex]

i think i saw malarkus doing like 500k dps in a max clip

[balmy condor]

He did 3x my damage on paladins

[spice spire]

Balanced

[balmy condor]

Granted I played sub for the meme on a pull and did absolute zdps

But still

[latent kernel]

how much dmg does battle shout give us in a raid fight?

[balmy condor]

5%

[latent kernel]

like a lot?

[balmy condor]

5% agi is 5% damage

[latent kernel]

so my raid team not having a warrior is griefing the fuck out of my damage

[coral ibex]

yes

[balmy condor]

Ye

[coral ibex]

no warrior is tough

[latent kernel]

actually terrible lol

[balmy condor]

Somehow still somehow not as bad as no shaman

[storm forum]

Almost as bad as not having a shaman

[balmy condor]

Fucking

[storm forum]

Fuck

[balmy condor]

Shamans

[storm forum]

Lmao

[analog field]

Actually I am simming all 3 at the moment and I have like 5 different weapons and this shit is pissing me off

[vestal wren]

fucking is a town in austria

well, they renamed themselves in 2021 because they got too much attention

[strange onyx]

Hej friends

[tropic jewel]

There should be Tuning today ? (Not Meinung specific rogue but in General?)

[strange onyx]

Yes

[tropic jewel]

Lets want for the Cook

I guess splatter being nerfed and St. buffs

Or just nothing at all

[spice surge]

The opposite is a lot more likely

Assas (and all rogue specs) cleave is horrendous, so that part is almost surely not getting nerfed

[warm verge]

Which combat potion ahve you guys been doing

[balmy condor]

Lights potential

Don’t think there’s a viable second option

I guess the secondary one

Whatever the name is

[strange onyx]

Potion of Recklenssness

[fallow canopy]

that one is interesting for sure, the name does it justice

[warm verge]

yeah was testing draught it felt weak

[spice surge]

You can try to reckless abandon potion once on a dummy

[coral ibex]

where patch notes

its after 12 in california

[fallow canopy]

you are recklessly abandoning something fs

[balmy condor]

True

I made a cake

Ready for patch notes now

Whenever you’re ready blizzard

[warm verge]

assa buffs inc

[runic hinge]

i hope they say

no notes game is perfect

[balmy condor]

Caustic buff, implacable buffs, nothing else

Or they could be goated as fuck and nerf envenom duration

[latent kernel]

never thought id be asking for this

[warm verge]

the buff window?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[warm verge]

so you jsut send it ?

evenom

[latent kernel]

its so you get your energy from implacable sooner

[warm verge]

[balmy condor]

Definitely not that

[coral ibex]

gimme dat

[balmy condor]

It’s cause 98% envenom uptime in preseason gear without playing around the buff in any way and just fully ignoring it and slamming at 5cp is proof that god is dead

[coral ibex]

[fallow canopy]

gotcha, doomblade buffs inc

[balmy condor]

For having like 5 talents that say “envenom while envenom is active”

It’s funny that envenom is essentially a passive buff

[coral ibex]

yo dawg i heard you like envenom so we put envenom in your envenom so you can envenom when you envenom

[spice spire]

What’s going to happen to it if no patch notes for rogue

gulp

[coral ibex]

i'm gonna fuck it

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna make another cake and it’s going to have rat poison in it

[red schooner]

And feed it to us?

[balmy condor]

Substitute eggs for rat poison to make it a healthy vegan option

[spice spire]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HAxQdOHbEAAZCnn.gif

[fallow canopy]

the channel is gonna get insufferable and whisp might kill someone

[storm forum]

Thanks whispyr, love having vegan options

[spice surge]

Thats gonna happen even if we get buffs

[fallow canopy]

ig that's true

[spice surge]

"why is outlaw getting more buffs than us!!!"

"Bro look at bm hunters"

[fallow canopy]

WHY IS OUR TIER SET STILL 3% AND WHY ENRGI BAD

[royal lantern]

buffs? spec channels are a shitshow and whisp loses his mind

nerfs? spec channels are a shitshow and whisp loses his mind

nothing at all? varas shitposting and whisp loses his mind

[subtle tundra]

what the frick

ban tryan

[spice spire]

Okay, kitten, but is he wrong?

[drifting cloud]

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HC7GTvMXwAEdBZA.mp4

[spice spire]

Why are you this way ryler

[fallow canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194064122636161037/1363113759740264589/togif.gif

[lethal arrow]

67

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-interview-it-goes-without-saying-gif-12669775144079688963

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1471195621619929180/1480640409523851476/six_cats_colored.gif

[earnest remnant]

dw i flamed him on voice for it

[fallow canopy]

https://imgur.com/WZlIezq

[spice spire]

Ty king Ik I could rely on you

[red schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1480756467429806163/catboing.gif

[tall spindle]

for raids is assa better than sub?

[lethal arrow]

for raids i recommend not playing rogue

[grim jay]

Kinda true, but I like my bitches like my life

Bad

[coral ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/137430749946052608/1437078700960251914/image0.gif

[grim jay]

Debatable honestly

[tall spindle]

cuz on wowlogs there's a lot more sub with good results, but idk if it's just because it's better or because more people play sub

[grim jay]

Wouldnt think too much about the first week honestly

Also being higher on the meter doesnt mean you are more valuable for the raid

[sacred oyster]

well, being higher normally means you are also staying alive too and doing mechanics

[normal mist]

doing mechanics is subjective

the best parses are the ones where the dps ignores the most mechanics possible

uptime = gg

[agile wedge]

î know the answer might be "cause it is better" but it feels like the raid build not having imp garrote is counterintuitive with the tier set no?

or am i mixing something up?

[lethal arrow]

wowlogs week 1 is the wild west

theres just ppl omega padding

[normal mist]

What does it do, the tier set?

[balmy condor]

It is counterintuitive, but improved garrote also sucks so

[coral ibex]

more damage for something that does piss damage doesn't mean much

[agile wedge]

i see i see thanks team

[strange onyx]

just did my first few m0s

Assa feels great in m0

[gusty prawn]

cept for the energy going quickly thing

[strange onyx]

Didnt really feel it

[agile wedge]

do you know from the top of your head, which talent you would replace if you would wanted to play with imp garrote really really bad?

[strange onyx]

for ST?

[balmy condor]

Imp poison or Doomblade

[agile wedge]

tyty!

[past bobcat]

Guys the buffs are coming soon trust!

Today!

[storm forum]

9pm for sure

[plain thistle]

[primal parrot]

justified crashout tbh

[strange onyx]

Whispyr said he is gonna do a tier list of the people in this channel

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1095046596833583185/1459525148792324226/67.avif

[viscid spear]

[storm forum]

Yippee I'm gonna be on a tier list

[thorn thorn]

I cant wait to be in F tier

[warped moon]

wow these assassination buffs are great 🙂

[storm forum]

🙃

[warped moon]

🥲

[high sundial]

Please, please do!

[storm forum]

I hope he gives the tiers funny names and puts me in "fucking dumbass" tier or something

[limber walrus]

Is anyone having issues macroing Puzzle Box to Deathmark?

[hasty viper]

Puzzle box is 2 second cast time so macroing it is weird, right?

[bright hemlock]

dont macro puzzlebox

[strange onyx]

theres only 65% chance the cast start

should be an emote telling you failed the puzzle

[limber walrus]

That would be hilarious

[severe meadow]

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-rage-bait-sucessful-sucessful-mission-succesful-gif-7031369129767029998

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bus-cat-run-over-template-mario64-mario64-gif-25570384

[spring moat]

guess im a dummy when it comes to apex talent lol. we spam up to 80 stacks then while our energy refills... we pool energy? then spam all over again?

[royal lantern]

get 5 stacks

drop envenom so it triggers

repeat

[primal parrot]

blizzard tryna rizz me with this shit

[severe meadow]

You got rizzed because you upgraded it

https://tenor.com/view/chess-gif-24157431

[primal parrot]

hell yeah i did

[spring moat]

i guess i dont get it XD. envenom at 5+ cp until it reaches 80 then let it fall off? then repeat?

[vivid elm]

[strange onyx]

let it drop

if u wouldnt overcap

[vivid elm]

so fucking funny man

[strange onyx]

on energy

[severe meadow]

Let it drop unless you overcap

Skoop types too fast

fuck you skoop

[strange onyx]

stay

slow

loser

[subtle tundra]

holy shit 7% aura

[strange onyx]

classic STL moment

[subtle tundra]

we win

[spring moat]

so we dont want to envenom until the current one falls off then i take it?

since twist the knife is gone

[stuck lodge]

patch notes somewhere?

[severe meadow]

In his head with the demons

[stuck lodge]

I thought someone said there was going to be changes today

[spice spire]

They do changes on Friday for upcoming usually

[runic hinge]

you have way more aura than that

[spice spire]

Good bit good but

[stuck lodge]

Thanks gaslighting zac

I feel like I can trust you

[spice spire]

The only person who cannot is Zac himself

[strange onyx]

Acolytes of mine

[coral ibex]

ok im home from work where the FREAK are the patch notes

[stuck lodge]

Maybe they gonna drop em at 5 pm cali time and then call it a weekend

[spice spire]

Usually it is later

[gilded oasis]

ok Mr Blizzard

[stuck lodge]

whats later

[spice spire]

Last week was 5:29 PST

When the notes dropped

[stuck lodge]

I should go take a nap then

[spice spire]

17:29 for those who don’t use the 12 hour system

[spice spire]

Yeah don’t stay up for it, you won’t miss anything. You can just check pins when awake

[balmy condor]

Right here :pantsgrab:

[subtle tundra]

hey it kinda worked

[coral ibex]

nice emote bucko

[strange onyx]

Time for the tier list buddy

[spice spire]

Peasants

[spice spire]

Just call him a slur. I’m sure he’d rather that

[balmy condor]

do NOT call me a slur

Or I WILL cum

[spice spire]

Check dms

[past bobcat]

Just hit whisper with the PvP offhand question

That'll get him going

[vocal basalt]

nothing like anger edging

[spice spire]

?

[fallow canopy]

The intrusive thoughts won

[strange onyx]

what embelishment should i use on my dagger if i make the fish hook dagger?

[stuck lodge]

rope

[fallow canopy]

Lucky keychain is bis embellishments for fish hook dagger

Yw

[thorn thorn]

wtf is this fish hook dagger

[coral ibex]

its a bad cantrip craft

[fallow canopy]

Crafters propaganda dw

[strange onyx]

its the highest simming dagger for rogues

[stuck lodge]

also boosts your midnight fishing skill

[coral ibex]

yea it sims the highest on the metric of "weapons that have fish hook in the name"

[balmy condor]

There’s a reason why we dagger -> wrist buddy

[stuck lodge]

bleed build is back

[strange onyx]

//wrists? ):

[balmy condor]

Banned

[balmy condor]

Yeah our best two embellished slots are dagger/wrist

[worldly bridge]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok/Generator Conditions in Midnight
Always finish on 5+ combo points, or go to maximum with Darkest Night Envenom

• Crimson Tempest -> until all targets have bleeds
• Fan of Knives -> 2+ targets, or 3+ if talented into blindside
• Mutilate/Ambush otherwise

[thorn thorn]

[strange onyx]

I think I read that in a guide by Whispyr on wowhead.com!

[gilded oasis]

wish I knew how to read

[balmy condor]

I wish reed knew…..

[spice spire]

Wish I knew what

[balmy condor]

What?

[strange onyx]

I'll teach you

What is that movie about the handsome and smart rogue who teaches the Illiterate rogue how to read? That could be us buddy

[thorn thorn]

You are describing something that doesnt exist

yet

[strange onyx]

The future is now

[thorn thorn]

@prisma monolith what is the name of this film

[stuck lodge]

the polar express

[thorn thorn]

Damn not even the bot knows

[worldly bridge]

do we reeeeally want to take CT on drakes ? lil mobs die way too fast

[strange onyx]

for last phase

[worldly bridge]

aight

also, do u shadowstep around to keep both drakes dotted ?

[strange onyx]

nah

fuck that

hit the ground drake

tell your tanks they dont have to swap

[stark sparrow]

Anyone know the target stats for the assasin? I know crit is best then haste, but addons keep telling me some items with haste are an upgrade vs items with crit, I was wondering if anyone knows the exact numbers I should be aiming for? (x % crit, y % haste, etc)

[strange onyx]

Crit haste

sim

Nah we dont have any breakpoints like that

[stuck lodge]

Getting to something like 80-90% haste would be real good though

in terms of energy gain

[stark sparrow]

Well I'm at 17% so it's a bit far..

how do you even get to 90% haste

[strange onyx]

he is lying to you

[stuck lodge]

You don't have tier yet, give it time

[royal lantern]

sim

[stuck lodge]

Whoa whoa, it WOULD be good to get to 80-90% haste

[stark sparrow]

Is it even possible to get that high?

[stuck lodge]

no

[royal lantern]

every gear qestion in wow is "sim stuff"

[strange onyx]

these are the perfect stats for assa atm

they are mine

and I am perfect

[stark sparrow]

Should I trust the addons to tell me which gear is best..?

[stark sparrow]

[strange onyx]

no

[stark sparrow]

Sounds fair!

[stuck lodge]

if that addon is simcraft

[stuck lodge]

and you are testing them

[stark sparrow]

[stuck lodge]

yes

[stark sparrow]

Alright!!

[strange onyx]

You trust me and if I am not around you could talk to @balmy condor or @spice surge

[stark sparrow]

thanks for the tips!

These are mine right now

250 Ilevel

[stuck lodge]

hmmm hmmm golpe yes

[worn monolith]

does anyone know, baseline, how much actual energy Implacable gives us over the 5 sec.? Is it an extra 40 energy?

[balmy condor]

Did you sim those stats or are you just staring at an addon

[strange onyx]

Yeah sounds about right

[worn monolith]

thats INSANELY low, wow

[knotty vapor]

ah yess golpe critico, very good

[stark sparrow]

those are my current statss

it's a visual thing for the character sheet

prettier and with more info

[balmy condor]

It’s closer to 60 but yes it’s not huge

[worn monolith]

its one extra mutilate

[spring moat]

thats bright af

[balmy condor]

Over a fight it gives roughly the same as venomous wounds or dashing scoundrel or thistle tea

[worn monolith]

im mentally blocked on sin's design with this energy economy. I feel like we're fundamentally misunderstanding something for this to make sense

[thorn thorn]

Pooling gameplay incentivized but without the pooling gameplay

Cuz they forgor to make pooling actually matter

Or exist

[stuck lodge]

idk when I watched Whispyrs raid stream it seemed like he was always pretty set on energy

but I'm shit and run out

[worn monolith]

I was saying last night, after my opener last night, I had used all 3 thistle teas, which feels like a mistake, but i dont know how it is

[stuck lodge]

probably the lack of managing apex currently

[thorn thorn]

Thet did say they want energy management to be a thing for sin they just kinda forgor to actually make it a thing

[worn monolith]

the only way I found energy decent was if I envenomed right before the buff dropped off

[thorn thorn]

They want you to pool but envenom has infinite uptime and thus so does apex

[worn monolith]

so i held envenom and just autoattacked for 3-4 seconds

[strange onyx]

if u dont look like this u are whack

[worn monolith]

Implacable needs to change to 80% increased regen for like 20 seconds or something, to cover a full 5 envenom cycle

or not, i dont know

it just feels like it's missing some core step

[balmy condor]

Yeah that would make it worse

Cause you just turned it into yet another 100% uptime buff for assassination

Cause that’s what we need right

[worn monolith]

yeah, but it currently makes no sense

[hollow mesa]

you can cancle aura it

[gilded oasis]

I wish implacable just put a picture of Whispyr in a murloc onesie on my screen

[worn monolith]

right now it's a contradictory talent, that doesnt have much of a payoff

[strange onyx]

i legit do not get this discussion about energy

[rancid anvil]

This is my experience. So I know I'm doing something wrong or my gear is too shit.

[strange onyx]

it feels fine??

[balmy condor]

It makes plenty of sense it’s just not strong enough and envenoms duration is way too fucking long

[worn monolith]

thats interesting, shortening envenoms uptime

[hollow mesa]

you can cancel aura it and apply a new one. losing no uptime and getting your buff. mostly usefull when using CT

[balmy condor]

like here

think about it this way

if the goal is to manage something

anything at all, doesn't have to be energy, just generally speaking

that thing you are managing, cannot be always active

or else you just.... don't manage it

it's just there

there must be headroom on whatever thing it is you're managing, otherwise you have no reason to manage it

that's the inherent payoff you get

[strange onyx]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fire-writing-2

[balmy condor]

the really stupid and dumb analogy that doesn't entirely make sense is money, you invest into your retirement fund because you want the number to go up so you have enough money to retire

if you just had 25 million dollars in your retirement fund

what's the point of the retirement fund

you can just quit

and that's the same shit with all this energy and envenom stuff

implacable exists, rapid injection exists

there's all this "envenom during envenom"

even dashing is "envenom's effect"

people don't really even realize that dashing is conditional on envenom being active

but like, that's a thing

it's not just passive 1 energy per envenom crit

functionally, it is

but that's the missing headroom

the spec is designed inherently to "manage energy" through envenom

in theory, the intention is that there is headroom on the uptime of the effect, and you're able to for example get more envenoms under the effect of rapid injection, or get more dashing scoundrel uptime

but if you completely ignore the buff on envenom, and just slam on 5cp (which is the correct thing to do)

you end up at 96-98% uptime completely by accident, in blue leveling gear from heroic dungeons at the start of an expansion

so it's just double-fucked

not only is there no headroom for actual management, there's no headroom for gear

you get more crit -> more combo points

you get more haste -> more energy

what is that going towards though

it's not actually doing anything, other than making people press another mut-mut-env during a fight

and that's why I hate this whole energy discussion all the time, because the "easy" solution is always "oh just buff energy" or "oh make CT cheaper"

and that doesn't fix anything

it's just more envenoms for the sake of more envenoms

because pressing button > not pressing button

[strange onyx]

Actually intresting read if you wanna understand the class more

[pale ridge]

that was a joke, new rogue guy here, am i not supposed to press SnD, ever ?

[strange onyx]

but yeah should i craft with hero crests?

[runic hinge]

no

and no

[balmy condor]

it's passive

[slate birch]

thats what blizz wants tho

[balmy condor]

no, blizzard wants us to manage our energy

[slate birch]

i really dont think so

[stuck lodge]

that would require me to understand what was being said

[balmy condor]

wdym you don't think so

do I have to pull up the blue posts that say literally that

[strange onyx]

xd

[balmy condor]

this isn't an opinion or a theory

that's just.... what they said

[hollow mesa]

the dmg is just being shifted into Envenom dmg, more crit = more cbp for envenom, more haste = more energy for the same

[slate birch]

i know i read the blue post im not saying ur wrong but i think class simplification is their main goal, regardless of how it aligns with what they said

[thorn thorn]

[stuck lodge]

yeah but what does the guy who writes the guide say about it

[strange onyx]

not even about the guy who writes the guide, it is just waht they said xd

[thorn thorn]

I would like one pooling designed spec

But without the pooling

[fallow canopy]

boy do I have a suggestion for you

[sand elm]

so like a pool, with no water in it

[west crown]

When does Blizzard mean what they say

[runic hinge]

is it feral?

[balmy condor]

so you're saying that blizzard stated multiple times that they want energy management to be the core rotational driver of the spec, but they didn't actually mean what they said because simplifying the spec comes first?

[slate birch]

like to me it feels like they are willing to strip spec identity entirely in order to achieve simplifaction

[runic hinge]

spec is already pretty simple lol

[sand elm]

isnt the identity we're more about poisons than the others

[thorn thorn]

The spec really didnt get much easier going into midnight

[west crown]

This is the most logical conclusion regardless

[runic hinge]

pooling and making us not press buttons seems simpler too

[thorn thorn]

The only significant change is CT being just a fusion of fok and ic

[balmy condor]

the identity is that we're slow and methodical and managing energy

[thorn thorn]

Which is a fairly minor change compared to what other specs got

[spring moat]

isnt it literally managing bleeds and spam envenom at 5+?

[balmy condor]

assa at its core has always been "energy starved" or whatever you wanna call it

by design

they just haven't managed to make that design worth playing around

cause they keep adding a bunch of shit that sounds cool in theory

but squashing the spec into a perma uptime mess

like dashing scoundrel could be 2 energy, it used to be 2 energy

can't do that though if it's 100% uptime

you could if it was 60% uptime

rapid injection is 15/30%

could easily be 25/50

if envenom wasn't full uptime

there are ways to fix it

they just stop halfway

[thorn thorn]

DF was my favorite version of the spec

Mega st with weak aoe

[fallow canopy]

Yesn't

[storm forum]

Bfa was my fav-shot

[thorn thorn]

Imagine recommending someone play feral

Thats an arrestable offense nowadays

[slate birch]

i started playing rogue cus i was a feral enjoyer xdd

[storm forum]

But it sims so high!

[spring moat]

peppridge farm remembers combat rogue 😮

[slate birch]

red buff combat rogue

[spring moat]

bangarang

[slate birch]

peak

[scenic horizon]

Hitting someone with red buff killing spree in MoP when they made the mistake of thinking they could run past me when I had the Ordos buff in timeless isle

oh those were the days

[west crown]

I think if they actually committed further to the poison fantasy of the spec it would run smoother. Take the cool bleed things out of sin and give it to feral. Make new poison things for sin

[runic hinge]

they dont pool rn either

[thorn thorn]

Imagine playing feral in 2026

[balmy condor]

I don't even think they need to take the bleed things out

they just have to take a look at envenom

[thorn thorn]

My ideal version of the spec would be pooling to be like a 10% gain and set spatter to only activate off KB

And we return to poison bomb gamba for aoe

[storm forum]

That sounds terrible

[thorn thorn]

That is literally the best

[storm forum]

The spatter part

My kb target dies early like 30% of the time

[balmy condor]

okay, I like this but not really, but there is a way to still do this without being cringe

if you'll let me

[thorn thorn]

I listen

I am open to ideas

[west crown]

When can we just make Whispyr official rogue class designer. So we can actually have one

[runic hinge]

my feral is 242 rn xdddddddd

[fleet pagoda]

Trying to take the cringe out of my rogue are we?

[storm forum]

Yippee another whispyr wall of text

[coral ibex]

im a boomer so i liked when assa was about pooling enough energy to be able to generate your next 5 cp during envenom's effect

make it slower

[thorn thorn]

Its gonna be 5 paragraphs banning me from the kitchen

[spring moat]

unpopular opinion... i liked twist the knife

[balmy condor]

caustic can stay as is, this just does nature damage no more phys, the nature damage caustics naturally. We go a step further than that though and I'm sorry for messy photoshop, I am not in the mood to make this pretty but I'm gonna move some shit around, brb

[thorn thorn]

[storm forum]

Damn he hit us with the brb

It's gonna be good

[thorn thorn]

I am eager for the bosses cooking

[uneven copper]

Is assasination just bad atm?
Im 255ilvl and got my rotation down.

But in raid, im 45-55k? Pretty much the lowest.

Is there anything else to be done lol?

AoE im top some time, but in raids primarily, im low af xd

[strange onyx]

link log

[spice spire]

gulp

[uneven copper]

sec

[runic hinge]

what are you gulping

[spice spire]

Ur sick

[uneven copper]

Ehm, it isnt updated at all wtf.

sedc

sec*

[balmy condor]

okay I said it would be a mess, brace yourself

[thorn thorn]

braced

[spring moat]

same feels bad.. like 100k lower on aoe fights kek

[north sandal]

I'm already afraid but looking forward to the cook

[royal lantern]

cock?

[thorn thorn]

nice of you to show up

[uneven copper]

Yeah sorry. Cant get the logs to work atm. Password issues and stuff. Any other way to see logs besides have the Archon app ?

[thorn thorn]

did you upload them already

[uneven copper]

Nope - cant log in - only on warcraftlogs.
Didnt have the app/info before.

"new" to this PvE stuff :).

[thorn thorn]

If not then you can search your character name on WCL and see if someone else uploaded it

[uneven copper]

Yeah, i did that brother. But no luck...

[strange onyx]

I'll @ the guy who makes Warcraftlogs

whats your email?

[royal lantern]

me

[strange onyx]

You guys started using WarcraftRecorder?

[fallow canopy]

If you logged the fight, there should be a file on the wow folder with the log it would just be a matter of uploading it or have a guildie or friend upload it

[fallow canopy]

I used it on s3 last xpac

[uneven copper]

I did use /combatlog or something like that ye

[fallow canopy]

Also bud has been in the kitchen for a long time I'm scared

[strange onyx]

Its intergrated with warcraftlogs now

or is about to be?

[uneven copper]

Ahh shite. I didnt do i before the fight....

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-chef-masterchef-lilb-gif-13910066

[thorn thorn]

is

[uneven copper]

Guess theres nothing to do atm then haha.

[strange onyx]

Its a good tool, but out of spite I wont use it

[storm forum]

Whispyr is gonna run out of space, kill me, and write the rest of his cook on parchment made of my skin

[thorn thorn]

It will probably be mine

[storm forum]

O7

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr is preparing his magnum opus

[strange onyx]

Blizzard told Whispyr the longer he can fillabuster the bigger our % dmg buff is gonna be

[loud light]

he's gonna love it when all they do is an Envenom damage buff

[uneven copper]

Aight another question - whats the "best" talents atm?
Using abit of both Method and wowhead and icyveins, but they are abit different all over.

Mostly for M+, but maybe also one for raiding. If theres much of a difference.

[thorn thorn]

Use wowhead

[uneven copper]

I might be doing something wrong, but i donno. Usually PvP only untill Midnight release.

[thorn thorn]

For PVE use wowhead, IV should be similar

Whispyr and Seliathan do wowhead and IV respectfully and they are both here

[uneven copper]

Aight - thanks!

[runic hinge]

Longest yap ever? Maybe

I’m gonna be asleep before it’s release

[spice spire]

Ur gonna be asleep before I release

[balmy condor]

we do this instead. Before I get to your thing, I shuffled venomous/caustic higher up so you get it earlier, moved the fok stuff to the left, avulsion is under shrouded, poison bomb is under finish the job/lethal dose/fatal conc

there's two new talents which for the sake of brevity I'm gonna call red bomb and blue poison. Red bomb is an extension of kingsbane, which makes every tick of kingsbane explode in a poisonous burst. This would essentially function the same as poison bomb/caustic but just do one aoe hit, reduced after 5 targets. This would be affected by mastery/dashing scoundrel/zoldyck/spatter just like poison bomb, etc. We rework the 4th apex talent and give it a new name because it's stupid that all 4 implacable points are called implacable and this is my fantasy dream land, so I get to do whatever the fuck I want. So like I said, we'll rework the last apex point to toxic collapse, which adds a 2 second dot to the poison bomb/red bomb cloud, and pulls mobs towards your target like the delve boss gravity orb, and your poison bomb and red bomb gets to hit it all yippie. If you don't want the suck-effect, you can turn it off while not in combat via a toggle. Then because, again, I can do whatever the fuck I want, I'm splitting apex 2 into two parts, the first one can stay 10% mastery whatever, the second part makes poison bomb stronger and proc more often. Then for the blue poison, because we moved avulsion out of the way, we can add a new passive, which bridges the gap from poisons to bleeds, and this does basically what the 2 set/secondary should do, but actually worth. Every time a bleed ticks on a poisoned enemy, it does an instant hit equal to a % of the remaining damage of deadly poisons dot. If you want that to be its own poison instead, you could do that and just have a dot attached to it and make it deal a % of that instead.

then we nerf bleeds as a whole and nerf generators to balance the red bomb, apex, and blue poison additions alongside all the other tuning I'm about to do which is buff caustic, nerf envenom to a flat 4 second duration whenever its used with 5 or more combo points, buff dashing to 2 energy, rapid injection to 25/50, inspiring strike to 8%, poisoner's drive to 2cp. Sudden demise we're buffing the execute effect from 150 to 125 and upping the execute range to 40% for the delve/open world/low keys. Scent of blood goes from 2%/4% for a max of 20% to 4%/8% for a max of 12%/24%

and now I'm tired and I finished my monster and I'm gonna take a nap wake me up when tuning

[bitter solar]

i like the ticking bleed doing % of Deadly as an idea

[sand elm]

whats the deal with the singularity renown trinket?
its not recommended on the guide yet it seems like a lot of people still use it

[nimble tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-speaking-talking-fast-scolding-gif-25345529

[astral ingot]

is the Chim trinket still bis? what should i be trying to get?

[balmy condor]

good trinkets ain't really available yet

[strange onyx]

Can we get a tier set at the end of the expansion that gives me my bouncing poison bombs that bounces for X amount of times? And also shiv guranteeing a poison bomb proc on the next envenom?

[severe meadow]

Easy ilvl, easy to obtain

[balmy condor]

yes pookie I'll get right on it

[sand elm]

i figured it was just people used it cos they hadnt got trinkets before going into the raid

[strange onyx]

Bloody lovely! Glad we could be friends again

Now to cook up a new hero talent instead of Deathstalker

[analog swan]

bruh i got Nullaeus to 5% on assa rogue

its a fk fest to not get 2 autoed

[storm forum]

Yippee I love whispyr magical Christmas land

[analog swan]

that felt like doing lvl 100 boss of diablo4 when it was released

with pacing

[balmy condor]

uhhh uhhh uuhhh, okay so deathstalker, just like it is now, but instead of the mark right, it's uhhhh, a stacking buff for your envenom when you apply a poison (no this isn't just amp poison shut up), and uhhhhhhhhhh, when you apply 100 poisons, then uhhh the next envenom goes giga kaboom and uhhhhh has like an extra 9 gorilliion percent chance to apply poisons for 10 seconds

[bitter solar]

4%

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/class-tuning-incoming-25-march-611994#6208986

[thorn thorn]

[severe meadow]

I was 1% off the aura and no CT nerf

interesting

[balmy condor]

Assa Buffed on Live (on tuesday)

4% aura is totally fine. I would've liked to see some more targeted buffs, especially considering how lopsided our damage is between ST/AoE in raids atm, but this is not doom, we take 4%

!buffs for a breakdown

Have a song to celebrate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ccGjar4Es

[thorn thorn]

[safe frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/nub-nub-cat-silly-cat-silly-kitty-gif-7773816275616110994

[strange onyx]

Bro gave the whole discord food poisoning

[runic hinge]

Hell yeah queen

[keen spruce]

https://klipy.com/gifs/laughing-duck-3

[subtle tundra]

haha 4%

losers

haha

[static glacier]

Yo what specifically happened to make haste more competitive against mastery?

[safe frigate]

We love nubcat 4 in this house.

[spice spire]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-kitty-nubcat-1NUFeD0qAiAEOJ7rZM

[stuck lodge]

WE ARE SO BACK

[subtle tundra]

youre nowhere bruv

[safe frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/nub-cat-nub-silly-cat-for-you-heart-gif-6063498362693638602

[severe meadow]

yeah something like that

[subtle tundra]

hhahahahahahah

youre guys are so fucked

4% lmao

[plush isle]

to little of a buff

[celest drift]

it's always the same fucking shitshow. Don't know what to do with the class, just throw a random aura buff

[plush isle]

next week another 4%

[subtle tundra]

this is how buffs looks like when someone cares about you

[indigo leaf]

4% aura

[subtle tundra]

this is when they dont

[primal parrot]

FOUR

WE GET

FOUR

FUCKING

FOUR

WHAT

FOUR?

[strange onyx]

Better hide for a bit here comes all the goobers who can't do 20 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 15 in their head

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/snoop-dogg-drop-it-like-its-hot-4number-four-fingers-calvin-broadus-jr-gif-26215289

[scenic nacelle]

4x0 =

[static glacier]

Atleast they kneecapped MM

Jesus that spec was obnoxious

[high sundial]

So lazy.. Better than nothing but won't do much

[runic hinge]

Ahh yes. The we got buffed and we still need to doom shitshow

[stuck lodge]

arms warrior also left alone, poor guys

[runic hinge]

Gn

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/nub-nub-cat-silly-cat-silly-kitty-gif-7773816275616110994

[polar sail]

What the hell

[frosty cedar]

Devourer buffed more than us

[polar sail]

Just four?

[frosty cedar]

[stuck lodge]

4% is basically placebo buff

[frosty cedar]

Clearly in need

[coral ibex]

yall need to learn how to roll with the punches

[red schooner]

we're not monks

[polar sail]

Better than nothing

[violet tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/kay-cooking-gif-18358911

Lets wait a week with rogue tunning for hc maby they are cooking something big ! Blizzard cooks

[coral ibex]

this shit aint nothin to me man

post more 4 gifs

that shit goes hard

[primal parrot]

FOUR

AS IN

FOUR OH FOUR

BUFFS NOT FOUND

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-better-call-saul-lalo-salamanca-don-eladio-fall-gif-25657866

[subtle tundra]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

lowkey 4% makes our boss damage kinda kaboom

I am surprised we got a st buff

[foggy moat]

just 3 more rounds of this and it's good! xd

[polar sail]

One more tunning 30 march

[thorn thorn]

Assa is at like what

[violet tusk]

are they making arms a healer spec?

[thorn thorn]

90 something for st?

[analog swan]

is it live?

[foggy moat]

88

[plush oasis]

I'll take the 4% and run. Expected nothing.

[thorn thorn]

88 so its probably like 2-3k increase

Not terrible

[analog field]

isn't it still 97k now? from 93 or sth?

[foggy moat]

not terrible, garbage

[polar sail]

All ability cool

[balmy condor]

it's like a top 5 boss damage spec on average idc what the sims say fuck the patchwerk sims there's nothing patchwerk in this tier

[analog swan]

if we get 10 assa rogues on a raid group the 4% becomes 40%

thinking~1

[thorn thorn]

Ye im not some sim brainlet

[polar sail]

😂😂😂

[thorn thorn]

Just mafs

[severe meadow]

[light quarry]

so is the play this tier to just not do any cleave or aoe and just be a ST bot?

[primal parrot]

FOUR

https://tenor.com/view/ctyri-jhin-jhin-lol-jhin-league-of-legends-league-of-legends-gif-26009999

[thorn thorn]

Aura buffs are always pretty big

[severe meadow]

Man what are we dooming so hard for

[uneven plume]

4% of 0 is still 0

[zinc frost]

literally no reason, assa is decent and even better now

[uneven plume]

Unlucky

[subtle tundra]

raid is full of burst cleave/aoe, assa does not do that

[fleet whale]

remember early shadowlands when assassin got like 3 aura buffs in a row or some sh*t like that?

[violet tusk]

is 4 the number we are from the bottom?

[severe meadow]

me when I hate doing boss damage

[fleet whale]

Being the ST/boss damage guy in raid isn't a bad thing

[balmy condor]

our competition on boss damage was MM, which got a nerf, demo which got a nerf, unholy which stayed the same, frost which stayed the same, destro which stayed the same, feral which stayed the same, shadow which stayed the same

[coral ibex]

but i only care about how big my DETAILS BAR IS

[balmy condor]

I mean legit just take this, and compress it so it's flatter

[coral ibex]

[thorn thorn]

Big surprise assas boss damage is high in a raid that is full of fights with little shit adds that blow up instantly when a fury warrior or mm hunter even looks at them

[subtle tundra]

assa does no aoe in raid -> back to ST matters so much cope

yikes

[ornate dawn]

Can you stop with the facts and logic

[distant plinth]

ROGUE META!?

[frosty cedar]

I feel we lose less st to swap for cleave than others

Also our cleave is just hitting boss so

[subtle tundra]

also did it get that much of a nerf? had the cleave talent nerfed and aimed shot buffed

[polar sail]

All ability which is so good

[subtle tundra]

yeah its worse on paladin but..

[strange onyx]

Here is my OC he is called Skooperton and he is the new high general in the army of the voidlight after we cleanse the Darkwell and save the world. He is an assassain deathstalker rouge who enjoys hanging out with his friend Arator in the Arcantine with Khadgar and he has a magical damage that every 7 days he is in combat on fridays he does 4% more damage which makes him quite a strong opponent to Xal'atah and he doesnt like mean people or bullies, but enjoy cuddling with his dog Woofhyr

[coral ibex]

ban this poster

immediately

[echo falcon]

I tried to make the boss damage case to my guild last night when they sat me for heroic dragons last night. Seemed odd to sit the #2 boss damager in the raid but whatever, i sat.

[ornate dawn]

I love this sub when patch notes come out

[strange onyx]

wtf u mean u got sat on hc xd

[primal parrot]

bro lmao

[coral ibex]

getting sat on heroic is insane work

i'd gquit on the spot lmao

[thorn thorn]

getting sat on heroic

[primal parrot]

fuck that guild yo

[fleet whale]

Yeah a guild sitting anyone on Heroic is a choice

regardless of spec

[balmy condor]

yeah that's a gquit angle

[echo falcon]

Well we had a weird number of people

[coral ibex]

weird number?

bruh

its HEROIC

[primal parrot]

nah gquit

[subtle tundra]

weird number is below 10

[echo falcon]

I think we were running 1 too few heals for the number

[primal parrot]

right now

[thorn thorn]

was it less than 10 or greater than 30

[coral ibex]

NOT THE COMPOSITION ANDYS

IN 2026