#assassination

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coral ibex
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25% aura buff fuck dk

humble verge
coral ibex
plain solstice
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aoe blind back soon lets goooo my utility HOLY 😍 now aoe shiv >.>

spice surge
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"soon" garf_sit

plain solstice
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thoughts and prayers

humble verge
viscid spear
coral ibex
humble verge
runic hinge
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Inc 69% aura buff for sin

spice spire
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Nice

haughty flicker
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Nice

coral ibex
runic hinge
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Lemme find the meme

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@spice spire

humble verge
spice spire
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Miss him every day

runic hinge
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Me too

storm forum
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He's in a better place now...

runic hinge
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I wish I was

arctic dust
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Does anyone have experience with the vessel of tortured souls trinket yet? Like what buff uptime is expected (or calculated in the sims) and do you have any ideas on how to play with it? It feels like a far worse antenna since the souls are really bad to see and don't move at all - just looked at my yesterdays raidlogs and I had 38% buff uptime (if the buff count in the logs shows the real buff and not the spawning of souls)..

brisk solstice
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I haven't looked at logs for it, but with the length of the buff, the stacking, and how often souls pop up for me it should be near 100%.

sinful verge
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you also need to factor in how many stacks you're keeping up, i ran an m+ dungeon and i was about 65% uptime 1-2 stacks

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wasn't actively looking for it though

arctic dust
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yeah i guess i have to figure out how to see the souls in a raidfight, maybe its just routine

viscid spear
willow mason
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Quick question, if i have a improved garrote finishing and in pandemic time, if i cast new normal garrote, does it override the remaining imp garrote?

spice surge
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Yes that would override it

willow mason
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ok. So i should just let it run and then cast a new garrote

plucky ember
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thats the secret, we all are

spice spire
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Hello

viscid spear
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He talks about you

strange onyx
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We all just vibe envenom

royal lantern
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@balmy condor yo, dumb question incomming

Assa should be able to proc the Voidspire Neck with Deathstalkers Mark Plague DMG and the Tail flips on fatebound, right?

subtle tundra
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dont ask

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fuck you

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no

ruby tree
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bit late to the sin party, but is there a way to track your envenom timer better than just the buff bar?

subtle tundra
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its not a party

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its a sad orgy

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where noone cums

fresh ingot
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why isnt belo'rens dagger BiS?

crystal breach
royal lantern
fresh ingot
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i see

twilit lagoon
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Is there a weird trigger requirement for puzzlebox? I couldn't get a macro to work, so I just put it on my hot bar directly. It seems like it takes multiple attempts to use it to actually get it to go off.

royal lantern
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i mean, its a cast with a GCD, you cant macro it to other abilitys?

strange onyx
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you cant macro it

coral ibex
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yea i'm hearing reports that you can't macro it

twilit lagoon
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Yeah, so I put it on my hotbar directly, and it seems like even still it takes multiple usage attempts to get it to cast.

strange onyx
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yeah

coral ibex
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it can't be queued

strange onyx
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it is a puzzle

coral ibex
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you have to press it after your gcd stops spinning

royal lantern
strange onyx
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Its only a 65% chance to get the castbar to proc

twilit lagoon
coral ibex
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ive noticed the same thing, its just a fucky trinket

strange onyx
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I would highly advice against using it

gleaming geyser
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only macro that works is castsequence which requires a second keypress, so comes down to whether or not you prefer just keybinding your trinket to a different key

/use Light's Potential
/cast racial X
/castsequence Deathmark, Algeth'ar Puzzle Box

latent kernel
normal mist
twilit lagoon
warm zenith
analog swan
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fan of knives into crimson tempest on 5+ mobs with no talents into fok or you guys just spam that mutilate>envenom>mutilate>envenom (while keeping garrote and rupture ofc)

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i see alot just spamming envenom and mutilate using secondary poisoning

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kinda makes it simpler to bench fok considering i got no talent to boost it specced into but i wana know what yall do

onyx crane
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best fight style to sim for dungs

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is dungeon slice valid?

balmy condor
balmy condor
high dust
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wait, fok on 2, fuck, i've been doing it wrong

balmy condor
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Ye 2 for fok in dungeons, 3 in raid

high dust
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i've been doing it only on 3...damn myself, time to get it right.

analog swan
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i was getting outdps by a guy that didnt use fok once but ill trust ur word

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this was in raid so ofc theres alot of variables and mobs dying quickly

exotic hazel
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Why can't they just change Negotiable Contract to be "Deathmark now applies to 2 additional nearby units" or something

analog swan
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but he didnt care much to use fok or crimson, he just used all on 1 target a time and let caustic and secondary poisoning do the aoe

exotic hazel
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The bounce thing is just weird

golden loom
twilit lagoon
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Why 2+, and does that become more true with higher crit chance? I'm assuming it's because seal fate and thrown precision

analog swan
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we dont take scent of blood on raid so i guess if u got no talents into fok or agility on spread he just sticked to spamming envenom on whatever he had on front of him instead of 60 energy to spread bleeds

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he had blindside and doomblade so that helps

fallow canopy
analog swan
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@balmy condor and what about the fatal concotion vs lethal dose, we got a clear winner?

analog swan
exotic hazel
kind basalt
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Morning @balmy condor … did we ever find out why we sucked on Chimaerus?

balmy condor
balmy condor
analog swan
balmy condor
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Assa is very good at chimaerus

analog swan
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indeed

kind basalt
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No no I mean you and I lol

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Respectful 15 and 17 parsers

analog swan
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LMAO

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care to explain whispyr?

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🧑‍⚖️

kind basalt
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I was just trying to compare logs to find out what I was doing wrong still don’t know really

balmy condor
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Oh idk about you, I was holding cds for the add downstairs cause I couldn’t give a shit about boss damage and that caused me to lose a deathmark on every phase

kind basalt
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Ohhhh shit that makes sense I was doing the same thing

balmy condor
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Yeah I mean it’s really shit for the parse

kind basalt
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I see I see

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Well easy enough answer then. I did it for the team 🫡

balmy condor
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But I did it for the add damage, since that is the wipe

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We can go another 2 minutes on the fight np, but if add doesn’t die then it’s cooked

fallow canopy
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the things we do for progress 🥀

kind basalt
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Yeah I had the exact same thought process

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Im thinking that next week I might only save for the p3 add. I think that would end up in an extra death mark in p2 MAYBE?

balmy condor
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Nah next week you just rip cds on pull and 2 min later on boss before p2 im pretty sure

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Otherwise you’re losing casts

kind basalt
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When I ripped CDs on pull my DM was up like right before he was abt to fly away so it was being kinda wasted

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Might have to play around more with it, but next week will be so different when more people are geared up for my guild

analog swan
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am i trolling very hard if i go systemic failure+blindside instead of scent of blood on mythic+?

robust dune
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A question, probably my bad english jajaja is finish the job preserved?

fallow canopy
balmy condor
robust dune
balmy condor
kind basalt
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I seee good call. I guess im havin fun with it if i care to try to optimize and understand it🤷‍♂️ thank ya

fallow canopy
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el buff de 10%

robust dune
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Me refiero si el nodo se mantiene, en la actualizaciĂłn whispyr pone que se vuelve un nodo de elecciĂłn

fallow canopy
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ahhh gotcha

fallow canopy
analog swan
robust dune
fallow canopy
spice surge
balmy condor
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I’m also not sure why you wouldn’t have secondary poisoning in the first place I thought we were getting blindside

kind basalt
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I meant to ask yesterday, I still have two sparks. What should I craft other than a weapon? Second weapon or wrists?

balmy condor
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Wrists

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Never ever a second weapon

sinful verge
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!up

prisma monolithBOT
spice surge
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Even with secondary poison you get a lot more poisons from FoK than mutilate

kind basalt
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Got it. Would you consider anything other than wrists if I can’t get a god damn boots to drop still lol

balmy condor
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Belt is usually decent, boots are a little worse to craft

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But I’m not sure that would help your situation

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Because whatever slot you’re about to craft is going to rot

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So you can craft 259 boots if you want

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But you’re gonna have 259 boots for a long time

kind basalt
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How do you mean?

balmy condor
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Youre crafting for the embellishment

kind basalt
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Ahhh

golden loom
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no free runed crest this time around Sadge

balmy condor
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But you’re crafting a “bad” slot

fallow canopy
balmy condor
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Crafts purposefully go to lower value slots

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So you don’t get penalized as much for the ilvl you lose

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Cause they’re not max ilvl right

kind basalt
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So better long term to just do the wrists and I’ll get my boots to drop eventually

fallow canopy
kind basalt
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Yes that makes sense

balmy condor
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So what ends up happening is you craft dagger -> craft wrist -> recraft dagger to myth because main hand is huge -> crest everywhere else

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And then eventually you get a maxed myth dagger in your main hand, the crafted goes to your offhand

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And you upgrade basically everything else before you recraft the wrists

analog swan
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oh i got another question! does at any point become more beneficial to replace crafted dagger for a weapon drop of higher ilvl? im not sure if a dagger drop ever wins against the crafted one even if the ilvl difference is 20. i use raiderbots to test and it seems so, what yall think?

kind basalt
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Yeah I’m there now. I’ll do the wrists… it’s so early who gives a fuck about my boots rn lol

royal lantern
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you still dont have decent boots in 2 weeks? just craft some boots then and use it until you drop some dracthyr_shrug

kind basalt
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No I can’t get boots to save my life lol

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Yeah but I’m limited on sparks I guess so I don’t wanna craft the wrong thing

balmy condor
analog swan
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my bad

royal lantern
analog swan
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in my defense ur honor, i am fairly new to the game

royal lantern
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i have to explain them every single tier that they dont lose enchants or embelishments when recrafting

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CE Raiders btw

analog swan
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so we all making the dagger + wrists right?

balmy condor
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Yep

analog swan
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@royal lanterndude im new and i dont see a flaw in it so if u can help me understand. on tww the armor embelishment empowered the dagger one. on this season there is none of that. why dont i craft 2 daggers with embelishments instead of dag+wrirst?

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i asusme its to plan ahead for when u get a better dagger non crafted to go with it

balmy condor
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You’re going to throw one of them away

analog swan
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why?

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when i get a better one that isnt crafted?

balmy condor
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Because a maxed myth dagger is 3 item levels higher

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And so that’s going in your mainhand

analog swan
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so its like i said, its just to plan ahead

royal lantern
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the way the dmg calculation in WoW works is almost exclusively on mainhand

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offhand is basically just a statstick

analog swan
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oh

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ty

royal lantern
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so getting a big mainhand with a crafted dagger is a HUGE upgrade

kind basalt
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From a damage perspective, is there a reason we don’t craft ring instead since they are stamina?

royal lantern
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buut crafting a 2nd dagger that wouuld then go into the offhand is a giant waste cus its basically just crafting for a small amount of stats

analog swan
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i put the crafted on offhand now cuz i got hero dagger

royal lantern
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ye, higher ilvl always in mainhand

analog swan
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ye i understand now

royal lantern
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when you get mythic crests next week, you make the crafted dagger mythic ilvl and put it into mainhand again

balmy condor
analog swan
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the wrist embelishment is abit underwhelming no? i guess it is what it is

balmy condor
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If you want to craft a ring second you totally can

royal lantern
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and then it stays mainhand until you drop a normal mythic dagger and upgrade it to be higher ilvl, then it goes offhand again

heady aspen
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Assa buffs when?

royal lantern
balmy condor
analog swan
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🤝

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aight, swapping to affliction warlock

heady aspen
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Embellishments have felt very meh since Lariat.

royal lantern
royal lantern
analog swan
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when u do top dps but u know its not cuz of u but cuz others suck at theyr class 😔

kind basalt
royal lantern
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they make sure that people use 2 crafted items all the time to give crafting some value, but thats kinda it tbh

kind basalt
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Ring*

heady aspen
analog swan
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mandatory

balmy condor
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Instead of like 50 agi and 100 secondary for example that wrists would have, rings have like 170 secondary stats

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You’re still inefficient compared to a max myth track

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And considering how good rings are, it’s just never bis

analog swan
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u guys really think we still have a chance to climb closer to the top with patches? i look at tww whole proguess of seasons and the classes on top stayed on top and the ones on bottom stayed on bottom, there was no miracles for them. until the fire nation (pre patch) arrived

balmy condor
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You’d basically be crafting for the short term gains

kind basalt
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Fair. I’m sure you’ve simmed it so I believe you but I was just curious bc the general sentiment is like agility increase better

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Right

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Fineeee I’ll wait for boots to drop and craft embellished wrists you meanie

royal lantern
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almost always, yeha

balmy condor
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So ya know

royal lantern
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in the end its just

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number go up good

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cus number go up means you do more dmg

heady aspen
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I just do what the Sims say

royal lantern
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bless

balmy condor
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Like in theory right

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Our “best” craft right now

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Would be a chest piece or a leg piece

royal lantern
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but crafting in tier slots is kinda madness tbh dracthyr_kek

exotic hazel
balmy condor
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Which sounds asinine, but you’re getting the biggest ilvl bump on a big slot, so you’re gaining the most raw stats quickly

royal lantern
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btw whisp, you are mean and didnt answer my dumb question ionsadhours

heady aspen
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Seems real bad for the long term tho

balmy condor
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But like, because they are such big slots, those are also the slots you’re looking to get the extra ilvl from

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So they’re guaranteed to get replaced

balmy condor
heady aspen
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Or locking you out of early 4 piece if you get unlucky with the tier you get.

balmy condor
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Yeah

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Crafting tier slots is absolutely insane

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But like technically

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Would be efficient for week 2

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Now, if you’re a person that could benefit from that, you probably have analysts telling you what to craft

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Which makes this entire conversation pointless

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But ya know

heady aspen
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Could be worth if you're giga unlucky with that slot and have the spare spark in a month.

royal lantern
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if you want efficent loot, just did what my guild did on our normal+half heroic clear

drop 80% of your items as mail, which caused 1 evoker and hunter to allready have over half of their equipment to be hero stuff

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gear funnel forced by blizzard

golden loom
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Killed mythic gally with a crafted helm cause the first myth track helm of the tier I saw dropped then

heady aspen
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We had 1 mail piece drop this week, our hunters got rekt

royal lantern
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we had a grand total of 3 tier drops, and all where mail aswell

severe meadow
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Tier was not in leather favor tho

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We got maybe 1 leather

heady aspen
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Clothies ate good in our clear

royal lantern
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i got the normal token from aleria and thats kinda it

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0 people got any set effect

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cursed run tbh

severe meadow
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One of them did pvp for the cata but

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Some people ate really good

royal lantern
severe meadow
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I got dagger and trinket from chim

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So I’m chilling

royal lantern
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ye, no tier stuff, but got overall good things

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hero dagger from 2nd boss

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hero boots

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aleria neck on normal

severe meadow
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I got gloves and a cloak I think

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From heroic

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Dagger from heroic

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Trinket was normal

royal lantern
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got that trinket from delves

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so i wont complain about trinkets, cus it seems ok for now lol

golden loom
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got that on my dh and dh loves crit

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we gamin

royal lantern
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why tf does it say strenght in my bag

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when its agility when equipped

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the fuck OMEGAKEKW

bitter solar
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Was about to say, we don't do strength here sir

royal lantern
golden loom
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wait nvm thats not the trinket I was thinking off

severe meadow
analog swan
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u sure?

royal lantern
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blizz tooltips doing blizz tooltips again

severe meadow
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It simmed pretty well tbh

bitter solar
analog swan
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i dont know if i like prism, i kinda like stuff that lasts abit so im certain i have it when i apply garrote for damage calculation

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junior yoke
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can R5 weapons be made from lower rank mats?

royal lantern
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yes, but the crafter will need to use concentration

severe meadow
analog swan
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just want my hit calculations to have every possible buff considering most of assa abilities only calculate on initial hit

junior yoke
analog swan
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kinda annoying ngl

severe meadow
runic hinge
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I don’t think assa snapshots anything but imp garrote

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Everything else is dynamic. Including trinkets

royal lantern
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since basically always tbh

analog swan
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im new, i dont even know what Imp stands for

royal lantern
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improved garrote

analog swan
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good to know its only garrote

royal lantern
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garrote from stealth doing more dmg

analog swan
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ye i get it, just new to acronyms

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still hard to make sure i have prism buff for garrote but i guess it will never work on start of pull since garrote is first thing i used and prism wont be active that way

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mhm

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it is what it is

runic hinge
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So anything else other than that is dynamic so you don’t have to worry about applying during the buff

royal lantern
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thats not how it works

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the dmg buff from the talent works that way

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not stat increases and stuff

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thats all dynamic in wow

runic hinge
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It will increase the damage when it procs. You don’t have to reapply

analog swan
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ooooooooh wtf

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i thought it was 100% only calculated initialy

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ignore me then wtf

runic hinge
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You just don’t wanna overwrite an empowered from stealth garrote with a non empowered one

royal lantern
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#1 rule in WoW: Dont overthink stuff

analog swan
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oh btw, since youre helping this newbie here

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crit is only crit chance always right? not crit damage?

royal lantern
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yes

analog swan
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so if i get prism it wont help my dots cuz its not crit damage

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i see

royal lantern
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some classes/specs have crit dmg stuff, but it then says crit dmg

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crit chance is crit chance

analog swan
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ye its mostly mastery then aight

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why is crit above mastery on importance? i never figured that one

normal mist
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Warlock Destruction has CRIT DMG on their CRIT chance right?

normal mist
analog swan
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i get the need to want to crit more but why not more damage with mastery

normal mist
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Simulations

royal lantern
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which it also says

normal mist
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Yeah yeah

analog swan
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so if im at 50% crit and 50% mastery, and i get to choose what of the 2 to put 20% more into, the simulations say crit is best to have 70%

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interesting

royal lantern
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and espacially assa doesnt really care much about them

runic hinge
analog swan
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so we only care for ilvl for agility, thats the case for most for primary stat i guess

royal lantern
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but ye, crit tends to be slightly higher for assa most of the time cus seal fate is a thing

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but like always, sim angle

normal mist
# analog swan interesting

Yeah the bot creates simulations/scenarios and compares your character having X of one stat vs the other and over X hundreds of iterations it comes up with an answer

analog swan
normal mist
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We mostly trust the bot

runic hinge
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Well it’s hard to get 50% crit

analog swan
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thats why tryndamere on league goes for damage most often with 20% crit than going for 20% crit with no damage per say

royal lantern
normal mist
analog swan
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20%

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but i get the explanation

royal lantern
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like, at the end of an expansion with the highest possible ilvl, you can sit at like, 40-ish if you REALLY go crit heavy

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50%? nah lol

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maybe with procs and trinkets and stuff, but not baseline

analog swan
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i think i learned before that on wow theres a thereshold where the stats start giving less % returns to it

normal mist
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We ignore it

analog swan
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like stacking too much crit breaks the soft point

normal mist
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The bot does that for us

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We don't think

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Bot says good we nod

analog swan
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its all gambling for crit, for coins on seal fate, for poison appliance

royal lantern
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diminishing returns are inside simulation calculations aswell

analog swan
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its all gambling

normal mist
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The only threshold I know of in this expansion so far is sub having 18% haste minimum for 2 extra globals during shadowdance (due to a talent that extends shadowdance with haste)

analog swan
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we talking bout raiderbot right?

royal lantern
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and poison applications are a meme anyway cus you have 100% poison uptime with just auto hits tbh dracthyr_kek

royal lantern
analog swan
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on raiderbots the tool i seem to understand you guys are talking right now to "let bot decide" is whenever you get a new piece you run top gear to see if it boosts ur damage or lowers it, is that it? or theres another page you use

normal mist
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That's it

analog swan
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i use it for top gear and droptimizer but top gear is so damn annoying to use

royal lantern
normal mist
royal lantern
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droptimizer can be decent for finding out stuff ofc

normal mist
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Topgear is annoying using a free acc

royal lantern
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but for comparisons its just top gear tbh

normal mist
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Premium acc is beautiful

royal lantern
normal mist
analog swan
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aight, is there a quick way to know if a item that i got on a m+ is good (so i give it away if it isnt) or do i gotta go "wait 5minutes, my raiderbot is calculation top gear to tell me if it is a upgrade for me"

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cuz sometimes idk if its best to go +60 crit and +20 versatility or +40 crit and +60 haste for example so i sit there waitin for top gear..

royal lantern
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only really trinkets and rings/necks are stuff you kinda wanna sim always

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and trinkets not even that much cus trinkets are "check which trinkets are the best for you"

storm forum
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Equal ilvl stuff you just kind of gotta Sim, but also I just hoard as sin cause we like all our stats and a new ring or neck could make us want different pants or bracers too.

coral ibex
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you should just snap equip every higher ilvl piece you get until you are near max ilvl in all slots, then you can worry about simming for stats

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assa has no bad stats

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it doesn't matter if you get a haste/vers piece if its an entire track higher

royal lantern
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you drop an item and it gives Agility? just use it

you drop a item and its a ring/neck? Sim

you drop a item that has Agility and is equal ivll then your current item? Sim

analog swan
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ye so its "wait for my raidbot sim" before trading

royal lantern
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trinkets? check WoWhead what trinkets you want in the first place, sim in the meantime until you have those

analog swan
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aight

coral ibex
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nah just accept trade

balmy condor
coral ibex
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sim while its in your bags

analog swan
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trinkets i know and main gear its always ilvl for agility. its the others but u answered it

coral ibex
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rip a "u need?" for every drop with agi

royal lantern
coral ibex
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unironically

analog swan
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is there a limit on ammount of people using same premium? i heard talk of a shared account before

analog swan
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im pretty fkn stacked

royal lantern
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i think like 20 people use the premium acc im leeching from

analog swan
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got hero wild fiberknife too

analog swan
royal lantern
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idk

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got it like 4 years ago and never logged out

analog swan
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ill try begging for one another day

balmy condor
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You don’t have anyone in your guild with one?

analog swan
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how yall thinking on vessel of tortured souls vs solarflare prism btw

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royal lantern
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vessel is kinda oof cus its HARD to see the orbs sometimes

bitter solar
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fuck vessel

balmy condor
bright turret
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Vessel is your classic sim trap

balmy condor
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It’s a piece of shit to use

analog swan
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i tested those 2, lost idol of the hashey and some others. lost idol was kinda interesting

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vessel lasts for 60 seconds each

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but its so hard to see

bright turret
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2026 and blizzard still leaves little orbs impossible to see in raid

analog swan
#

i just go "oh shiet i got 4 stacks of vessel" cuz i cant see shiet when on raid

empty hinge
#

Do we pre cast puzzle box before pull or no

analog swan
#

i do, gotta time it efficiently so u make value

#

when timer is at 5 i cast it. go to stealth>shadowstep>garrote from stealth with the ig

spice surge
royal lantern
#

btw eleem, how does it feel to be internet famous now

analog swan
#

SPECIALY if ppl lust on pull

balmy condor
#

Casting puzzle box before pull is the fastest way to throw your damage in the gutter

royal lantern
#

mentioned 3x in a whisp video wtf

analog swan
#

if people communicate lust timers its nice to plan

balmy condor
#

Just unequip the box at that point

analog swan
spice surge
#

Yeah instead of all major cds in all of box

balmy condor
#

You just wasted 10 seconds of box

#

GG

analog swan
#

you will use those first 10 sec on garrote/rupture/deathmark/kingsbane anyway

#

if u dont

balmy condor
#

Okay?

analog swan
#

u are there casting

#

in middle of fight

#

so what is worse

balmy condor
#

Do you think it snapshots

#

Or what

#

Cause it doesn’t

spice surge
#

Why would you want the box up when you apply your dots instead of after youve applied your dots

analog swan
#

no im saying if u do box into deathmark and kingsbane on beggining or not its still the same thing

spice surge
#

Where you are pumping envenoms

balmy condor
#

If you precast it, you’re doing fucking nothing for the first 8ish seconds

#

You’re buffing nothing

analog swan
#

ok lets put into perpective

bright turret
#

moaist

balmy condor
bright turret
#

you're arguing with people who use a robot with your feelings

balmy condor
#

What perspective

bright turret
#

you aren't going to win

balmy condor
#

Could there possibly be

#

This is a very easy math problem

rotund oak
balmy condor
#

20 second buff right, would you rather buff 20 seconds of damage or 10 seconds of damage

solar wyvern
#

Oh boy

bright turret
#

you're not factoring in you spend several GCDs in your opener just prepping your damage, that's wasted box time + prepull time

analog swan
#

u box>garrote>rupture>deathmark>kingsbane
or u garrote>rupture>sit there casting box>deathmark>kingsbane

difference?

on first u lose like 4 seconds of box inisde deathmark and kingsbane uptime but u dont lose fight activity casting
on second u make full effect of extra 4 seconds for deathmark and kingsbane (even tho deathmark doesnt last that long) but u sit there like a clown casting at start of fight and DURING LUST

solar wyvern
#

Garrote rupture

#

For 8 second rupture

analog swan
#

really read that, i understand ur point. and its right too

solar wyvern
spice surge
#

Youll sit there like a clown anyway because you are playing assassination

analog swan
#

TRUUUUUUUUUE

bright turret
#

that's rude eleem, all rogue specs are clowns atm

balmy condor
spice surge
#

I meant as in not having the ability to press every global

analog swan
#

why would i waste half trinket??

#

u tihnk i take 10 years to apply garrote?

#

its like 2 sec

rotund oak
#

why would u waste your time in wow?

balmy condor
#

oh my fuck

#

When do you do damage in your opener

rotund oak
#

Dear lord

balmy condor
#

What gcd

solar wyvern
storm forum
#

Cause it's not gar > rup, it's like gar mut mut rup (and another gar if taking imp gar) and the trinket falls off at the end of kb when it does the most damage

balmy condor
#

That’s not true

rotund oak
#

^^

balmy condor
#

Kingsbane stacks within a couple seconds

solar wyvern
#

Kb is doing max damage like 4 seconds into dm

#

Dm go brr

last cedar
rotund oak
balmy condor
#

I want to hear his opinion on when we start doing damage

rotund oak
analog swan
#

every GCD is 1 second right
box then stealth (20seconds)
garrote with ig (19)
mutilate (18)
rupture (17)
deathmark (16)
kingsbane (15)

ur case
garrote
mutilate
rupture
box for 2 seconds
deathmark (20)
kingsbane (19)

#

u are not wrong like i said

#

but with lust on pull to top it off

balmy condor
#

okay that's not what I asked

#

also you're not envenoming before deathmark

#

so your opener is already shit

#

try again

solar wyvern
#

Okay how about this then

balmy condor
#

here, actually

bright turret
#

rogues eating each other at the bottom of the meters, hate to see it

balmy condor
#

I'll make it easier right

#

give me a second

rotund oak
#

all the time u want babe

balmy condor
#

which gcd here

#

is the gcd where you start doing damage in your opener

solar wyvern
#

Its called a vibes opene4

analog swan
#

i didnt know that, why envenom before deathmark?

#

that changes things for sure

balmy condor
#

because you want slice and dice and the envenom buff going into kingsbane

#

because it's prep

#

because that's how the spec works

severe meadow
analog swan
#

oh slice and dice to stack more kingsbane

#

oh shit

solar wyvern
#

Poisons do a lot of dam and also inspiring strikr is 5% dam and also kingsbane stacks

balmy condor
#

chop chop, which gcd

#

I am waiting

#

give me a number

jolly stirrup
balmy condor
#

which box is the one that starts your damage

analog swan
#

no dude with that it takes too long forget my idea

solar wyvern
balmy condor
analog swan
#

if u got to cast envenom too its too long

balmy condor
#

the envenom is not the reason why your logic falls apart

analog swan
#

indeed

bitter solar
#

Hey at least he admitted he was wrong when presented with proof

balmy condor
#

yeah but he's taking the wrong proof

#

I mean it's definitely good

#

but like

#

that's not the fucking point lmao

#

the envenom thing is just an additional thing that makes it even more wrong than it was before

analog swan
#

i think

balmy condor
#

ah

#

okay

analog swan
#

to answers you, sorry i took long

balmy condor
#

here we go

#

lets say we skip that envenom thing you didn't know about then

#

water under the bridge

rotund oak
#

@spice surge relevant tag but is there a way to track how fast KB stacks from logs or anything

analog swan
#

but all of my talk was about casting box during lust that makes it detrimental but if the initial planning is that long it is what it is

rotund oak
#

jsut curious

balmy condor
#

red or green

static glacier
balmy condor
#

is red where the damage starts, or green

bitter solar
analog swan
static glacier
#

iirc whispyr simmed it over 40s and correct opener was 2%

analog swan
static glacier
#

so probably closer to 1% or maybe slightly less over the whole fight]

balmy condor
humble verge
#

hello

severe meadow
#

Hello uber

balmy condor
#

this is gar mut rup (I'm too lazy to skip the other muts), deathmark

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rotund oak
severe meadow
#

Okay my bad

severe meadow
balmy condor
#

so minimum 4 gcds, if you don't crit it's 5

#

yes?

marble escarp
#

anyone know why the rotation helper doesnt recognize crimson tempest

analog swan
balmy condor
solar wyvern
#

Right there

solar wyvern
#

After puzzlebox

marble escarp
#

also doesnt recognize rupturing early

glass viper
#

Are we not putting an extra garrote in there too or cba

solar wyvern
marble escarp
#

dont wanna reapply openenr garrote till its fully gone

analog swan
balmy condor
# analog swan ye i understood

okay, so then, you would box on 0, gar - mut - mut - rup - dm

5 "dead" gcds and no slice and dice right

or, you're pressing those 5 gcds, and then you're casting the box, and every gcd after that is good, your bleeds are ticking, life is great

analog swan
#

dude u probably just helped me boost my damage by like 40%

#

thank you

balmy condor
balmy condor
solar wyvern
#

Oh i c

#

Youre too bigbrain

balmy condor
#

we're talking about like maybe 1.5% overall

#

actually I can sim it what am I saying

#

we can know for sure!

royal lantern
dusky oasis
#

im holding 40k on single target dummy, idk there isnt a 2-3 target dummy sadly, only 5 or 1

visual sun
analog swan
severe meadow
marble escarp
#

whats yalls thought on the new talent coming

balmy condor
#

respectfully I don't have the time to teach you how to edit a gear set and the entire APL

severe meadow
marble escarp
#

yeaaaa

analog swan
#

oh its not just some website

solar wyvern
#

Nah apl is a lot of work

storm forum
humble verge
analog swan
#

i thought it was some raiderbot like tool

solar wyvern
balmy condor
#

I'm editing this

marble escarp
#

RUH ROH

analog swan
#

jesus fuck

#

get that shiet away

humble verge
solar wyvern
#

Thats not even the craziest one

#

Dont look at demo lock apl

marble escarp
#

you ever yhink youd miss indescrimate carnage

storm forum
#

Is havoc the one that's like 400 pages?

solar wyvern
#

Ct so expensivve

marble escarp
#

for real

solar wyvern
#

And i hate solo content for rogue

#

I was so close to crashing out while doing my delves and shuffle queueing

analog swan
#

the dude i was with on chimaerus did the craziest opener but somehow managed to get 100

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solar wyvern
#

First time ive genuinely disliked playing wow lmfao

jolly stirrup
analog swan
balmy condor
#

but yes, people can get rank 1's doing some awful shit

#

happens literally constantly in the race to world first

solar wyvern
#

67k rank 1?

#

Watdafuq

#

Lfr??

balmy condor
#

I'm assuming boss damage

spice surge
#

Also worth noting that often playing things "incorrectly" doesnt mean you lose 30%, it means you lose like 1%

analog swan
#

heres casttimeline view

image.png
balmy condor
#

yeah that's not as offensive as I thought

spice surge
#

Which can easily be compensated by having insane gear this early or just straightup being lucky

analog swan
#

we discussed while doing it when to use the box too and figured to use it before deathmark

balmy condor
#

better than your opener at least

static glacier
solar wyvern
#

Ye he just did the quick opener which is slightly worse

#

Maybe it lines dm better or something idr chimerus timings

analog swan
#

on the other it was showing mutilate first

marble escarp
#

when im reading the wowhead guide and i see @balmy condor at the bottom lol oh this is why this guy knows his shit

balmy condor
analog swan
#

ah

solar wyvern
#

Nah whispyr doesnt know anything

analog swan
#

ye he didnt do so wrong

#

the other was all fkd up

solar wyvern
#

Bro tells me envenom does damage 😂

#

:^)

static glacier
balmy condor
jolly stirrup
royal lantern
balmy condor
jolly stirrup
#

Feeling old yet?

spice surge
balmy condor
spice surge
balmy condor
#

and that's not an empty threat anymore I can just do that

static glacier
marble escarp
#

im in the presence of assass royalty lol

balmy condor
#

anyway what was I doing

#

precasting box

#

fuck my life

static glacier
#

can we stop trying to cook precasting the box? this shit can't be good

balmy condor
#

I need answers

#

the question isn't if its good

#

it's how shit is it

solar wyvern
#

Okay whispyr

#

My cook

static glacier
#

you trade like 1.5s in combat for better buff coverage vs precast it and you're spending 5 globals minimum setting up

solar wyvern
#

Precast box insta kingsbane for 5 min important timer

balmy condor
#

ITS BAD

static glacier
#

like everything else with this spec it probably doesn't matter too much but like cmon guys

solar wyvern
#

Enjoy your headache

static glacier
#

we didn't need the sim to know it's bad

#

jesus

marble escarp
#

realistically whats the difference between KB then DM in the timeline?

balmy condor
#

one dead gcd in dm

#

erm

#

in kb

#

dm is the dead gcd

analog swan
# balmy condor <:UglyAssDog:1359298721900134652>

to be fair, since between ur envenom and ur deathmark>kingsbane cast u dont get to throw any autos off and kingsbane now gives u 6 combo points to cast envenom, is it that major to spend time to cast envenom before. not denying its purpose but if ur on lust maybe its best to do box into deathmark>kingsbane>envenom since i dont think u auto during that to make any use of ur s&d, or am i wrong in the auto attacks?

blazing totem
#

why dont we just skip dm

#

more fun right

marble escarp
#

Bring back vendetta

desert inlet
#

vendetta my beloved

#

I miss her sm

static glacier
balmy condor
marble escarp
#

never really knew what it did but god i missed it

storm forum
#

I miss when vendetta was a poison :<

static glacier
#

you're just losing 10% dmg amp on implacable / initial kb hit

#

maybe if kb was long like previous tier

#

but it's not

spice surge
#

Deathmark is just a cooler version of vendetta tbf, ig they could rename it back to vendetta but keep current functionality garf_sit

marble escarp
#

and old icon

#

i miss the icon

spice surge
#

+20% dmg wasnt very interesting

balmy condor
marble escarp
#

i mean double poision isnt very interesting either compared to oh idc killing spree being dope as shit now

analog swan
#

hey, it now spreads to others on death 🙌

balmy condor
#

was a lot cooler when it actually doubled

storm forum
#

Old vendetta was actually very dumb. Point at a guy and do +% damage for no explicable reason

desert inlet
#

yeah but I don't find deathmark very interesting either, they're used the same but one's on the global

marble escarp
#

yes watching boxes pop was fun

balmy condor
spice surge
marble escarp
#

which we wont

spice surge
#

Instead of speccing into a damage talent

marble escarp
#

imagine using DM on trash

analog swan
#

lets that about what really matters here

#

BLIND IS BACK ON THE MENU WITH AOE LADS

spice surge
#

DEMISEMAXXERS

analog swan
marble escarp
#

fuck yes

analog swan
#

we won

marble escarp
#

now we just need that damage buff and maybe just maybe well be on par

#

with like idk whats a low end dps

storm forum
#

Rupture sniping, but dm sniping, cause it's gonna bug and the +10% dam Amp is gonna stack every time it spreads trust

haughty flicker
#

me when i use deathmark to snipe demise then it jumps and procs demise again

analog swan
#

nah man, give it to shaman first, they kinda starving

haughty flicker
balmy condor
#

how you doin that

marble escarp
spice surge
#

Oh wait LMAO its even worse, the new talent is a choice node with Finish the Job

balmy condor
storm forum
#

LMAO

#

Oops

marble escarp
#

YOURE JOKING

haughty flicker
#

thats insanely cursed

balmy condor
#

that's what the pin says

haughty flicker
#

i dont know how to read

#

oh the pin got updated

#

i do know how to read

#

i just didnt read recently

spice surge
#

I read the pin before the update and i refuse to reread it

balmy condor
#

that whispyr guy keeps pinning information he seems like he knows whats happening

exotic hazel
balmy condor
#

but yeah it's legit just

image.png
storm forum
#

I saw it before the edit okay and didn't recheck fml

balmy condor
#

the worst talent imagineable

marble escarp
#

Mr wowhead whens the next tuning lol

balmy condor
magic thorn
#

No fucking way

spice surge
#

Like even if you wanted to deathmark max somehow you would want both of those

balmy condor
exotic hazel
#

Real question is when is Whispyr going to use his Blizzard contacts to get our buffs

marble escarp
#

sadge

#

yes

#

that

#

please

balmy condor
#

I just see the tuning notes hit the bot

analog swan
balmy condor
storm forum
analog swan
#

wtf

balmy condor
#

dm is a dead gcd

#

don't need the uptime

haughty flicker
#

a death gcd you mean

#

bc deathmark

#

get it

marble escarp
#

if we could get a flashy CD what would it even be

spice surge
balmy condor
#

pressing good button in box > pressing bad button in box

spice spire
haughty flicker
#

he doesnt know

desert inlet
#

we don't know if it's a good button or a bad button until we open the box

spice spire
#

Ur being a lil freaky on a Friday morning king

balmy condor
marble escarp
#

LOL

storm forum
#

Assa gets season 1 poppy treatment

desert inlet
#

can we have zed laugh

marble escarp
#

i want that voss ability in scholomance

#

jump on heads goin nuts

#

would look amazing on tauren

storm forum
#

Death from Above is the only thing I miss from pvp

analog swan
balmy condor
runic hinge
exotic hazel
spice spire
#

God REAL

marble escarp
#

no i got told to color with more than green

spice spire
#

I also miss my king

balmy condor
balmy condor
analog swan
#

assa needs teemo laugh

desert inlet
spice spire
#

Glory be

balmy condor
spice spire
marble escarp
analog swan
haughty flicker
balmy condor
analog swan
#

when i started playing rogue i thought sudden demise was so cool, then i did math and realized how uncool it was

balmy condor
#

but that is like

#

SUPER whatever

#

you can totally just box - dm - kb

#

and I assume most people will

analog swan
#

@balmy condor u play poe alot dont you

balmy condor
#

erm

analog swan
#

yeye, we are minmaxing

balmy condor
#

no

marble escarp
#

jesus

analog swan
#

bro i wish i met more ppl like you

#

spreadsheet homies

#

we be minmaxing

balmy condor
analog swan
#

u on eu or na

storm forum
#

Don't say the s word

balmy condor
marble escarp
#

sir

analog swan
#

WHAT THE FK

jolly stirrup
marble escarp
#

what the hell is your wow playtime at

balmy condor
#

(maplestory doesn't log you out for being afk)

runic hinge
analog swan
#

HE LEFT THE PC ON ON GRANDMA HOUSE, got to be. ur joking

balmy condor
#

it's all AFK time

#

relax

jolly stirrup
#

Whispy whats your league tag?

marble escarp
#

SUUUUURE

coral ibex
#

where patch notes

analog swan
#

ye i had kinda same hours on BDO with fishing

coral ibex
analog swan
#

idk anymore cuz i sold acc

balmy condor
#

I know what flavor of autism I have

storm forum
marble escarp
#

thats just expected for factorio

haughty flicker
jolly stirrup
#

I wanna check your league hours

#

Gimme your tag

balmy condor
#

no I'm good actually

jolly stirrup
marble escarp
#

fuck riot games

balmy condor
#

you can check far more than just my hours if I gave you my tag

analog swan
#

he just plays tft sometimes

jolly stirrup
balmy condor
#

the hours are the least of my worries

violet otter
#

could you post your armoy/warcraftlogs please Whispyr?

jolly stirrup
marble escarp
#

my account got hacked and banned and they wont help me out

jolly stirrup
runic hinge
#

its the slurs

balmy condor
#

it's the skins

magic thorn
#

Sounds like a Yuumi main

jolly stirrup
runic hinge
balmy condor
storm forum
#

How many Annie games

jolly stirrup
#

Or really the skins you use

analog swan
#

@balmy condoru on a chill or raid mandatory guild?

balmy condor
#

what is a raid mandatory guild

violet otter
#

couldnt care less about anyones parses.

balmy condor
analog swan
balmy condor
#

it's been a rough week 1

analog swan
balmy condor
#

wha

#

I mean I loot council for my guild

jolly stirrup
#

Oh

haughty flicker
#

he does the stealing

violet otter
balmy condor
#

np

#

whatcha lookin for

violet otter
#

(dont laugh)

balmy condor
#

I won't

haughty flicker
#

what happened on saladbar

balmy condor
haughty flicker
#

real

spice spire
#

He doesn’t have whimsy or joy anymore

haughty flicker
#

me on paladins

balmy condor
#

we thought we could heal double orb debuff

#

(we could not heal double orb debuff)

violet otter
#

I wanted to be sure SURE what to craft and when...so I was like: if Whispyr crafted X and Y then I can do that as well...

balmy condor
#

I'm crafting wrists this week

#

if that makes you feel better

jolly stirrup
#

I crafted Wrists and dagger and forget about sparks

spice spire
#

Why aren’t you on a52 garf_sit

jolly stirrup
balmy condor
jolly stirrup
#

Liar

violet otter
#

well..you already crafted the dagger...but I wasnt sure if I should wait till M+ comes out ...or whatever...just afraid to do anything wrong

spice spire
marble escarp
#

ewwww hes playing sub

storm forum
#

Why are you an orc whisp?

spice spire
#

I’d be making your wrists 🙁

marble escarp
#

traitor

viscid spear
stuck lodge
#

I think people crafted the 259 and in general are waiting to use myths to recraft

jolly stirrup
balmy condor
#

then in like

#

6 weeks

#

you recraft the wrists with myth crests

violet otter
#

thank you very much

balmy condor
#

np

runic hinge
#

Can I make engi wrists

balmy condor
#

you can make like a banana and split

runic hinge
#

ok fine but i dumped all my points not realizing blizz made engi specific embellish and no one is gonna want those

balmy condor
#

everyone always says it's absurd of me to say vegetables have phones

#

but then the onion rings.....

runic hinge
#

bro what

jolly stirrup
#

BOOOOOOOO

runic hinge
#

are you in my dms?

balmy condor
runic hinge
#

Someone sent this to me two hours ago

jolly stirrup
balmy condor
#

it's a classic though

balmy condor
royal lantern
balmy condor
#

hab mir mal ein neues dach gekauft, ging aufs haus

viscid spear
analog swan
#

anyone got a image with crests per delve/mythic+/raid? i wana see when i start getting mythic crest and how many. i recon its after mythic+7 but i dont recall how many

balmy condor
#

!up

prisma monolithBOT
jolly stirrup
#

Welche Taste auf der Tastatur drĂźckt ein Pirat am liebsten?

viscid spear
analog swan
#

no crest quantity

balmy condor
#

oh

#

erm

analog swan
#

erm

balmy condor
#

surely we have a guide for that at wowhead hold on

analog swan
#

oh dw ill google then

#

its ok

jolly stirrup
#

He's already onto it

balmy condor
#

if we don't I'll kiss someone

viscid spear
jolly stirrup
viscid spear
analog swan
#

gandalin is cool

balmy condor
#

my eyes just unfocused

#

the moment that popped up

#

bro this crest yap is longer than the assa guide

#

that's insane

analog swan
#

ye XD, i just care for numbers

#

i put it as wallpaper ez

#

nvm

#

it doesnt fit

jolly stirrup
#

Maybe Fuu can add Crest drops in his sheet?

balmy condor
#

like here maybe

#

not a bad idea

#

@vestal wren what do you think of that

analog swan
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so its gilded chest on delve tier 11, mythic+7. mythic raiding. what else? i imagine prey doesnt

balmy condor
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I think that's it

quaint nimbus
balmy condor
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but like realistically you're just capped weekly anyway

analog swan
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sad, expected more of prey

balmy condor
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where you're getting it from is kinda whatever

analog swan
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true, fk caps

vestal wren
analog swan
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best is to only start playing season 1 month into it so u dont care about caps

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shouldve known better

shadow lark
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Should I stay away from assassination? First time looking into it this season. Wasn't sure if its a bad idea or not

vestal wren
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i could add crest drops ye

balmy condor