assassination

[onyx crane]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-copium-seethe-mald-ikea-gif-3367288503075132918

[shell plaza]

wtff

[static jacinth]

hi i am a new assa rouge and i have a question, how much crit haste and mastery do i need to make this class work for pve ?

[onyx crane]

Enough

[thorn thorn]

sim yourself

No breakpoints

[worn nimbus]

/simc

[severe meadow]

Does it not work without certain stats..?

[thorn thorn]

[onyx crane]

If versa begins to sim better you have enough of crit mastery haste

[severe meadow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sigma-kot

[static jacinth]

i mean it does but if u wanan do big dig dps

[hazy sundial]

whats the start for catalyst? wait for hero track or send it on champ?

[severe meadow]

prob hero

[heady ridge]

is assa still bad at target swap?

[thorn thorn]

Then you would still sim

[severe meadow]

no

DS maybe, but FB is fine

[onyx crane]

Aim hero but if you get 4set with one champ cata think it's fine

[static jacinth]

okay

[onyx crane]

Kinda depends how hard they melt no?

[severe meadow]

I guess, everything kinda just falls over rn

[viscid spear]

Take his peenar away

[zinc frost]

man I can't wait for my DM to jump to a non elite mob in a dungeon

[onyx crane]

Like small targets better picked off by ranged

[static glacier]

So uh

Who’s gonna tell blizzard we care about KB

[thorn thorn]

Me

[static glacier]

Is this supposed to be an open world talent?

[thorn thorn]

I am john kingsbane

[static glacier]

Like the fuck does this achieve?

[thorn thorn]

Let us know when you and/or whispyr figure it out

Cuz whispyr cant figure out the point either

[polar sail]

I summon the boss near the stone and kill hes spider and he dissappear?

[zinc frost]

they saw rogues were complaining and gave us some delve talents pog

[onyx crane]

Delves are already ez

[static glacier]

I’m wondering if there’s some fucky sudden demise implications

[low zenith]

pfft. i wish they gave us branns hat throw

[static glacier]

@balmy condor doubt it’s useful but wouldn’t this new talent let us proc multiple sudden demise’ procs from 1 dm?

[onyx crane]

Valeera is more pleasant to look at than brann

[thorn thorn]

Not the SD-maxing

[balmy condor]

I mean, sure I guess

[thorn thorn]

[spice surge]

DEMISEMAXXERS RISE UP

[onyx crane]

Deathmaxxing sounds cool

Also unhinged

[balmy condor]

idk if it's actually that much of a demise max tbh

[spice surge]

Holding deathmark until the mobs are low

[sour oasis]

i want to be monday

to know if a buff happens

[spice surge]

(do not try this at home)

[sour oasis]

next week

[onyx crane]

You hate weekends?

[spice surge]

They often announce their tuning changes on fridays

But

well have to see

[latent kernel]

so im parsing like blue for sin rogue on these heroic fights, im confused because theres only 115 parses for sin vs like 3k for paladins

is it harder to parse when theres parses to go up against?

[onyx crane]

Did you also craft fish hook dagger?

[static glacier]

Entirely depends on the quality of gameplay behind the parses

[onyx crane]

But more players means higher chance of good players

[static glacier]

If you’re vs 5 people but they’re all VERY good you could find it harder to parse than vs 1000 weak players

[thorn thorn]

Too late I am already kermitted

[sour oasis]

i think friday we will havbe nothing

[sand elm]

yay to aoe blind coming back

[sour oasis]

we will cry

[spice surge]

But i am elmo

[sour oasis]

monday we will have something

[onyx crane]

Kermitted, cuz you only parse green?

[static glacier]

Yes and no, in my experience it depends heavily by class and fight, ret generally has a shit playerbase and I historically found it easy to parse

[thorn thorn]

Nah bro

All gray

[worn monolith]

wooo, buffs incoming! Crimson vial cooldown reduction on mob kill

[latent kernel]

yeah like i feel like sin playerbase is generally all pretty solid so i cant tell if im shit or if its just hard to parse on this spec

because on ret or warlock i always parse good

[thorn thorn]

I tried to get xeph to change 0-15 parses to brown

But he wasnt impressed by the idea

[onyx crane]

Well i guess it is relative to the player base of the spec/class ofc

[static glacier]

Consider your kill times / how you played

[loud niche]

I would imagine that sin players right now are either cracked because it's all we play, or terribad because they're playing for the RP of being an assassin.

So falling in the middle of those (likely towards the lower middle region) wouldn't be a big deal

[static glacier]

A strange example could be SV, I’m good at the spec and have parsed very well - but it’s super difficult to parse since if you’re like rank 4 or 5 on some later mythic fights you’ll have a blue log since so few people play the spec, you end up competing against a much higher quality of player for the very top ranks. Once you drop though and you’re not vs one of the like 20 diehard players it’s pretty easy to beat them

[haughty pewter]

Holy shit we can just send deathmark in M+ now without waiting for a prio target

[onyx crane]

I play various specs/classes but i just love assa

[static glacier]

ATM I would say spec is notably undertuned, if it doesn’t get buffs it will take very sub unfriendly fight design / sin friendly conditions

For sin to see play beyond people who play it 4fun

[loud niche]

When I was looking at my parses last night there were less than 50 sin players parsed for the fight I was on. So I felt me getting a low purple was >>> our Demo lock getting a mid purple. If I'm wrong, oh well, but I'll lie to myself forever

[loud niche]

Yeah, idk wtf blizz smoking but I need some

[hallow glade]

i come from the future

assa on 2:30 timer is insane

reclear god spec

[static glacier]

I swear our burst isn’t even impressive

[hallow glade]

better than s*b

[onyx crane]

Sin never been burst class

[static glacier]

Maybe in execute

[hallow glade]

wpt

sin was giga burst last tier

wym

sin burst in execute last tier was so busted

[static glacier]

What point of the tier are we considering

The post fix or pre fix

By the time they fixed heads the tier was over for me 😭

[loud niche]

My raid lead told me to figure out a spec that uses Sudden Demise for m0s 😭

[hallow glade]

no burst btw

[static glacier]

Tbh with you sin just got eclipsed by sub’s burst on that front

And I blame the trinkets

[onyx crane]

Butvi mean fire mage for example is all burst or was haven't touched that since bfa

[hallow glade]

i would hope so, sub was the burst spec

[static glacier]

You’ll probably find it funny to learn that fire spent years being outlaw pilled, no burst uptime spec

[haughty flicker]

i thought this was an outlaw chart with how little burst there is

[hallow glade]

but assa burst has always been good in execute

[static glacier]

And therein lies the caveat

[onyx crane]

I am generally not a caster player tbf

[static glacier]

They just kept giving it more combust uptime, ultimately ended up with watered down pyro and fired unironically like 40-50 a minute if not more

[latent kernel]

im playing well i feel like, like im not bottom fragging the meter, but there's people on technically "better" specs than me right now parsing higher than me

but im doing more dmg

which just makes me think its bc the playerbase

[static glacier]

Something doesn’t add up here

[onyx crane]

I am generally very slow in parsing well

[static glacier]

Either they parse better on stronger specs and do more dmg

Or they parse better on worse specs and do less dmg

The measure of your specs quality is just parse to dps ratio

The better your damage at the same parse number the better your spec is

It’s why we keep posting orange sin parses losing to green demo

Demo is just tuned better atm

[latent kernel]

i think tis this

sorry i mispoke

[static glacier]

A middle of the pack demo lock beats a top 5% sin, or atleast they did

[static glacier]

I’m very curious what specs you’re against, I don’t think sin should be beating many specs atm

Somewhere around 7ish

[onyx crane]

Didn't assa get like 28% flat dmg buffs in DF and still be OK

[static glacier]

Depends when you’re asking, df was a dark time

[onyx crane]

Yeah i didn't play rogue much that xpac

I did struggle with the aoe in WW in m+

It was finnicky

But i like this better than tab targeting rupture on mobs

(note Ivam not that good a player)

[meager latch]

Is sub just all around better currently compared to sin. I enjoy sin so much more but i feel like the damage all around per fight is so much worse than sub

[thorn thorn]

Amirdrassil was peak assa

[onyx crane]

I think ibalso was playing dh in WW cuz guild didn't have a single one

You know how it is

Got my 3k on DH too

[jagged bear]

Negotiable Contract basically forces you to apply Deathstalker to that random mob it jumps to, huh

Man I wanted to play Rogue this xpac

[latent kernel]

im also confused too because on the leaderboard my parse is showing as a purple, but on my guild screen its showing as blue

[split veldt]

dunno why they cant just let us move the mark whenever we want

😭

[onyx crane]

https://tenor.com/view/not-tommy-gif-25378561

[jagged bear]

I don't see why kingsbane and mark are different abilities

[split veldt]

https://giphy.com/gifs/thecoolidge-the-room-tommy-wiseau-ygx2AsOrU4c6CDTX5Z

fuckit, im flipping coins this patch

[onyx crane]

Same

[jagged bear]

Ah, you mean that mark

[onyx crane]

The die has been cast!

Wait, different spec

[jagged bear]

I can't flip coins when my boy looks like this

[split veldt]

id rather not feel like a dirty outlaw rogue, but we gotta do what we gotta do

[jagged bear]

I just refuse, same way I refused playing archon on priest

[lucid rune]

5% aura buff inc or na?

[worthy timber]

New Talent: Negotiable Contract – If the target of your Deathmark dies, Deathmark jumps to a nearby enemy combatant for its remaining duration. (WHAT!?)

[hollow mesa]

can/should you use puzzle box during pull timer?

[jagged bear]

Why can't Deathmark damage just split to all garrote targets

[unreal imp]

Just pull the ripcord and give us Deathmark and Kingsbane as self-buff CDs like everyone else, flavor be damned

[balmy condor]

if you're a big enough masochist to play deathstalker yeah I guess

[jagged bear]

^

[dim yacht]

is this yet another raid

with shadowstep bugged

where half the time it just doesnt let us shadowstep for no reason?

[severe meadow]

pog

[jagged bear]

I think applying Deathmark to all Garrote-affected enemies, and Kingsbane to all Lethal Poison-affected enemies would be fine

[fluid oak]

dungeon slice is fine to sim for m+ on assa?

[sand otter]

assume we use a cleave-ish build for valegor dragon fight

[severe meadow]

it is the way to sim for m+ yes

[fluid oak]

ty

[viscid spear]

Big Smoke?

[night delta]

Just now realized the crimson vial buff

• Sudden demise

[storm forum]

plague damage counts as shadow damage right?

[night delta]

We get the killing blow on everything by default

We can chug vials like it's a frat party

[jagged bear]

They both dead ig

[gray raven]

Deathstalker is the new psychic link. Aoe blind coming back is great.

[hazy sundial]

is this ok for unbuffed?

[balmy condor]

sure

[distant lodge]

Besides the return of airborne irritant does anyone kinda feel like this is Blizz saying “look we’re doing something” with those new talents?

[worn monolith]

ok so this is what i dont understand about assassination. I take Thistle tea, and after i've opened on a boss, im out of teas

[weary stump]

its basically your 1 minute IV drip of stamina after you use the first three

[worn monolith]

feels like really bad design

doesnt feel worth the talent points

[severe meadow]

@fallow canopy I almost got you on heroic Imp

few hundred dps difference xd

[knotty vapor]

damn im still r3 on imp

[fallow canopy]

[fallow canopy]

damn 🐐

i got a r1 on vora yesterday, not sure if it still 1

[knotty vapor]

i was r1 for like an hour lol

then someone beat my ass

didn't lock in 100

[balmy condor]

thistle tea in 5+ minutes single target gives basically as much if not more energy than any other talent

dashing/venomous wounds are roughly the same

[severe meadow]

you are

Dagger also dropped

[loud niche]

just landed 99 on first boss Pog

[fallow canopy]

yuge

[lucid rune]

Can't read the dang datamined changes... i think it's a 5% aura buff?

Or am I fake news

[spice surge]

Is fake news

Theres a -5% aura too

(or well, its actually +4% and -4% not 5)

[balmy condor]

pins

but tldr

is we are not getting an aura buff

they cancel out

[lucid rune]

Thank you papa

[zinc frost]

Yet

[onyx crane]

But what is the the point

[hazy sundial]

Does anyone know, when i recraft dagger to higher ilvl, do i keep enchants on it?

[onyx crane]

I think you

Do

[autumn rover]

you do

[onyx crane]

That was the case last time atleast

[hazy sundial]

Sweet

[onyx crane]

But you need a spark to recraft now? Or am I tripping

[fallow canopy]

you are tripping

[hollow stream]

is there a macros channel? Tryin figure out how to make this one

[whole sand]

bro we have to wait for the 0.5 for our aoe stop back???

[chrome meadow]

You are you guys alive. Hvent seen a single assa rogue whole xpac lmao

Or are you all just playing sub rn

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/luigis-mansion-scott-falco-a-totally-legit-speedrun-isnt-that-kinda-the-point-gif-5079973730959970765

[limber creek]

i play rogue in midnight because rogue was ass in tbc and with all the focus on quel danas in this expansion i thought i'd relieve those great times

[misty holly]

Is crit/haste our good stats now?

[fluid oak]

is not possible to macro the puzzle box with dm right?

[zinc frost]

Nope

[balmy condor]

crit > haste > mast

[latent kernel]

Are there any dev notes on what the decision was on adding and revoking the aura buff to see their thought process or was it just datamined

[halcyon breach]

is dawnroot simming extremely high compared to other trinks for anyone else?

[shut nymph]

Why do we skip imp garrote and razor wire for raid cleave build? isnt it better than doomblade?

[balmy condor]

they didn't announce anything regarding it cause it's not added and revoked

it's just background code garbage

[latent kernel]

I see

[balmy condor]

imp gar and razor wire pretty shit unless you're able to cleave them

[shut nymph]

would that still be true when we get tier sets?

no giga garrotes during burst?

[balmy condor]

that is true with tier yes

tier sets are really weak in season 1

2 piece is 3%

[shut nymph]

i see, thanks

[balmy condor]

also technically the best usage of vanish with imp gar

is not with deathmark

so

that whole giga gar during burst thing falls apart

[indigo epoch]

whats usage of puzzlebox? PB>DM>KB?

pb feels bad to push

[balmy condor]

dm pb kb

[indigo epoch]

ty

[severe meadow]

PB during pull timer..

[balmy condor]

at that point just unequip it lmao

[severe meadow]

I was ripping dragons and we wiped

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

[severe meadow]

Perhaps maybe will after a different trinket is obtained

[haughty pewter]

What build are we using for raid because the general one is missing the improved garrote, should I always be running cleave build, expecially after 2pc

[balmy condor]

why is missing improved garrote bad

[haughty pewter]

because wouldn't i be missing the tier set bosnus during the initial deathmark/triinket/pot burst?

[balmy condor]

scroll up

we talked about it 20 min ago

[haughty pewter]

kk, was raiding

[haughty flicker]

imagine raiding

nerd

[haughty pewter]

so there's no vanishing to garrote on main build, we just use it to ambush?

[severe meadow]

[severe meadow]

CE this season

[haughty flicker]

CE surely

[balmy condor]

you don't vanish to ambush

[haughty pewter]

do i just not press button?

[balmy condor]

correct

there is no benefit in doing so

[haughty pewter]

fair enough

[plush oasis]

Gotta say it felt real weird to not use vanish as a cd when I realized that.

[balmy condor]

you mean feels great

desynced vanish is maybe the worst fucking thing I've ever done

[plush oasis]

That's fair. It's just feels weird not to hit the button.

[split grail]

Here's a weird question: If I plan on playing both sub and sin should I just get one of each bis wep enchant

[vague widget]

I check the pins and I leave. Thank you for all that you all do.

[balmy condor]

you are, the perfect discord user

I love you

[storm heron]

We are still getting nothing just rp changes xd

[balmy condor]

aoe blind is kinda really important tbh

[desert salmon]

yup

[haughty flicker]

Ngl the vial talent may be a meme in real content

But itll definitely be nice for delves and leveling

[polar sail]

Class tunning should today drop

[glad ferry]

DId it

please god I need buffs

I dont want to play sub anymore im so tired boss

[dim yacht]

ive done surprisingly okay in m0s without SD build

alot better than i thought itd be for such quick pulls and not being able to ramp up

[balmy condor]

Yeah sudden demise is kinda meme shit

[signal karma]

the next set of tuning is ostensibly next Tuesday right, or am I misremembering

oh cool ptr stuff, thanks for pinning

[balmy condor]

They probably announce Tuesdays tuning Friday PST

Like they did last week

So like in uhhhhh

18-20 hours

Maybe earlier if they decide

We never really know

But it’s 10:30pm on Thursday at blizzhq and the last set was announced 5:30pm Friday

[signal karma]

Spicy, here's hoping

[balmy condor]

So they’re waking up in like 10 hours

And then the timer ticks

[lethal arrow]

whys our dmg completely scammed this patch

look at meters and i have to scroll a mile to see myself

[haughty flicker]

https://klipy.com/gifs/spill-issue-oh-no-my-milj

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-im-all-ears-listening-so-ive-heard-gif-6613852590395623599

[tight ginkgo]

i love playing rogue

[balmy condor]

I’ve resigned myself to #1 most ethical gamer world

[lethal arrow]

i think this is the least fun ive had playing rogue

[balmy condor]

Holy shit whispyr is so bad at the game

[lethal arrow]

i might just be washed

[balmy condor]

Meanwhile I’m literally wasting entire deathmark casts just to skullfuck the add

[lethal arrow]

i dont get it

[balmy condor]

Anything for the kill hoorah sir yes sir

[digital elk]

I can feel the sarcasm through my monitor

[balmy condor]

What sarcasm

[tight ginkgo]

this is amazing

[digital elk]

Because what a fucking joke

[balmy condor]

That’s probably the least clickbait combo of thumbnail title I’ve done in like a year

[severe meadow]

? ?

What joke

AoE blind is good

[digital elk]

Why did they take it away, but it was still there for 100 years, then they actually take it away and then it's back

[balmy condor]

Because they’re responding to feedback

The dev note said why

[lethal arrow]

Ppl must be pressing buttons harder than me

[digital elk]

who gave them feedback saying blind shouldn't be aoe

[lethal arrow]

Explains why their dps is higher

meanwhile im like oh man this opener was great, damage looking good, doing half the damage of a ret paladin playing while drooling on the keyboard

[severe meadow]

me

[balmy condor]

No one? They nerfed aoe cc across the board, got the feedback that it was heavy handed on rogue, and they’re correcting it

12.0.5 is mid season, 99.9% of people who care won’t be affected

[lethal arrow]

might just swap back to ass to feel something

[balmy condor]

Like there’s maybe 3 places for aoe stops in raid, m+ ain’t even out yet, push doesn’t truly start until 12.0.7

[lethal arrow]

sub is just not it

[balmy condor]

Like where is the harm

[severe meadow]

I've been having fun with assa tbh

[balmy condor]

The aoe blind change is probably the most sensible thing ever

They make a decision, realize it’s wrong, walk it back next patch

[severe meadow]

We got walled on dargons tho in our splits xd

[balmy condor]

How could you be mad at that

[lethal arrow]

i was told

sub did more dmg in raid

[haughty flicker]

we were not even close to killing dargons

[solar wyvern]

I had to do that too...

[severe meadow]

We got to 16% or something and our tank fell over

[solar wyvern]

xd

[haughty flicker]

think we hit enrage with like 12% left on both

so uh

[cunning needle]

because blizzard can somehow find time to buff unholy to be competitive in a midweek patch, but we have to wait 2 months just to have a single aoe stop

[balmy condor]

Are we gonna kiss about it

[haughty flicker]

we hope gear carries us next week

[solar wyvern]

Maybe if daddy blizzard records us and gives us a buff tmrw uwu

[lethal arrow]

surely 4 set changes everything

[tight ginkgo]

it reminds me of my actual overall in a shadowlands dungeon years ago

[severe meadow]

[haughty flicker]

imagine not already having 4p

[tight ginkgo]

😳

[solar wyvern]

I got saved by lfr chimerus splits for tier

We are so barrack

[haughty flicker]

i got warbound tier from saladbar

otherwise i wouldnt have got it

[severe meadow]

We got 1 leather tier drop in our splits

[solar wyvern]

Same. Its why we went lfr lmfao

[severe meadow]

our first group got FED

[solar wyvern]

And the first lfr split 2 leather tokens dropped and i wasnt in that split

[kind basalt]

Were you running cleave build or ST on chim?

[solar wyvern]

Omfg i was sweatinf

[cunning needle]

bruh lfr spl*ts?

[solar wyvern]

We were down fuckingbbad man

[severe meadow]

We have 1 or 2 already at 4pc

But they ripped PvP cata

[solar wyvern]

We had a tank with zero tier, a rogue with 1 piece, 2 healers w.o tier

We were down bad

[balmy condor]

Honestly I have been swapping talents every 3 pulls I have no fucking clue what I ran

Let me check

But like it's deadass been do 2 pulls, untalent CT

Do 2 pulls, talent CT and imp gar

Do 2 pulls, untalent CT, keep imp gar

[kind basalt]

That’s exactly what I was doing tonight. My guild did chim and I couldn’t tell tbh

[balmy condor]

Do 2 pulls, untalent poison bomb and secondary, take CT and Imp poison

[lethal arrow]

whats our buzzle pox play

[severe meadow]

bro I was borderline falling asleep on chim

[kind basalt]

I parsed 15 so dont feel bad

[lethal arrow]

just sit there and cast it before dm or what

[balmy condor]

It feels like I was getting something done with all my talent swaps

[solar wyvern]

Im gonna tell my guild to just keep me upstairs and full ungsbunga st boss as assa ngl

[balmy condor]

but at the same time I'm pretty sure it's just placebo

[severe meadow]

Dm -> Box -> KB

[kind basalt]

DM > PB > KB

[balmy condor]

yeah I ran this

whatever monstrosity that is

[solar wyvern]

Yo wtf is with improved poisons

[balmy condor]

Wdym

[lethal arrow]

awful

[solar wyvern]

Shits kinda fire

Over ig

[kind basalt]

I’m not gonna do it lol

[lethal arrow]

so basically just use feather

got it

[solar wyvern]

Internal bleeding is better than i thought as well tbh, on like paladins

[kind basalt]

Very unsatisfying

[solar wyvern]

I did half the MM hunter on pallies!

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean shits kinda fire cause the alternatives are all bad

[lethal arrow]

oh our bis trinkets are just 2 passive trinkets anyways

[kind basalt]

I just compared my log with some others and caustic/tempest is definitely worth it on chim

I’d be curious if you are upstairs/downstairs first if it makes a difference what talents you should run. I was downstairs first and it felt rough using the ST build which is when I switched. But if you stay upstairs through the whole window you get KB back for when you go down second I think

[lethal arrow]

I'll swap later idk, I'm just gonna keep pissing away at sub ig

I'm also jetlagged and cranky

[strange onyx]

@balmy condor How did Alleria go?

[balmy condor]

Boss hurts

[strange onyx]

Yup

You feel like CT had more value on HC?

[lethal arrow]

we did not make it past p2 on alleria

come back next week

[strange onyx]

Same for us bud

[balmy condor]

Not really tbh

It was better but not impressive

[strange onyx]

Yeah, don’t think there is no hidden mega add phase in P3 either

But don’t feel like full ST is worth either

[halcyon crypt]

do we need a buff or o buff would be good ?

[faint crescent]

So bad that delete whole character

[grim jay]

So you think there is one?

[grim jay]

Balance is still all over the place

[haughty flicker]

no balance is right there

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeong-gif-3654754744145897317

https://tenor.com/view/moonkin-dance-starfall-dancing-moonkin-gif-20256106

[boreal lichen]

Any small chances sin gets any buffs before myth release ?

[grim jay]

There always is a chance, I think we will see some

[safe field]

is assasination simc apl broken?

does seem correct on multi targets

[balmy condor]

whats wrong with it

[safe field]

it doesnt pool for garrote or crimsontempest and just spam fan of knives mindllessly

[balmy condor]

link me the sim

[safe field]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/midnight/ActionPriorityLists/default/rogue_assassination.simc

[runic hinge]

Nice cope

[grim jay]

No I genuinely feel like we will see some

[balmy condor]

no like link me a sim where it's wrong

obviously I know what the APL is, I wrote it I wanna see a sequence where it's doing that

[haughty flicker]

[floral iron]

Don’t think there’s a squishier class in retail than a rogue in a delve/open world

[onyx rock]

Try WW

[short spruce]

the thing is you have brew as backup for delves/open world

i wish outlaw was a tanking spec

[grim jay]

WW certainly is less squishy than rogue in ow and delves

[onyx rock]

I wish Outlaw would be a midrange double Pistol spec like Pistoleer Deadeye in lost ark

[short spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/447324854744776715/1463166214640763056/cat-destare-despair-cat.gif

[grim jay]

Ngl adding ranged specs to melee classes tends to be a terrible idea

Even if I like the pistoleer idea

[short spruce]

yeah it's prolly gonna be preferred over melee

[grim jay]

Yep

Tho for mid range we can observe that with devourer now

Gotta wait and see if havoc is slightly better tuned at some point and people might still prefer devourer

[short spruce]

good point

[golden loom]

havoc should be pretty fkin good atm already

[grim jay]

Havent seen one

[golden loom]

Its my main alt

I refuse to play caster!

[balmy condor]

delve hall of fame was allegedly a stomp on havoc

[golden loom]

I can imagine

It has 10 billion leech so it probably cant die

[balmy condor]

must be nice

[grim jay]

Cant wait to get annoyed on my rogue just to have it be a walk in the park with my dk right after

[shell plaza]

how did assa felt in raids, guys?

[balmy condor]

meh

[grim jay]

You said it was alright in your Video!!! 111!1!1!1!1!1

[balmy condor]

you can sacrifice your overall to be super important for progression

[shell plaza]

thats the first raid i started sub, not assa, and i feel dirty - is that normal ? :/

[balmy condor]

but if you're looking for big overall top of the meters

you're not gonna find it

I mean sub is worse

weird choice

but if you're happy ya know

[shell plaza]

im happy with assa, but i felt the peer pressure of playing sub

[golden loom]

Was topping every fight as sub

[balmy condor]

in lfr?

[shell plaza]

is that cuz execute angle for prog mainly?

[balmy condor]

no

[golden loom]

okay almost topping

this was on wednesday tho

[balmy condor]

oh the pad fight

sure

now show the actual damage coward

big add/boss

[golden loom]

whats the big guy called

[grim jay]

My WL was taking me for a walk

Ngl

[balmy condor]

colossal horror

[golden loom]

we had 3 sub rogues

[balmy condor]

[shell plaza]

3 rogues in a single guild

sus

[polar sail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1412821415643582545/1480972755129073738/CBF35687-5285-413B-84AF-46B2C9BF1C8E.gif

[golden loom]

our dk was tired of playing dk so rerolled rogue

[grim jay]

Well dk is equally shit seemingly

[polar sail]

Whyspr when he want to be angry 24h

[haughty flicker]

at least dk has a better raid buff

[balmy condor]

I mean statistically you should be getting rolled

[balmy condor]

what is your fascination with me

[haughty flicker]

im fascinated by you

[golden loom]

[polar sail]

you hate me

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-crying-kitten-sad-cat-gif-7372450260192199455

[balmy condor]

I don't hate you

[golden loom]

atleast I should have a good time on sunday cause I am only one who was 4 set in the guild I think

[grim jay]

Dang didnt know sin was that good on that fight

[balmy condor]

you just have a habit of annoying me because you ping me about shit that you could just read without me spoonfeeding you

I ain't your lil personal chatgpt

[grim jay]

That even hurt me

And I'm not a part of it

[balmy condor]

sin is very good at very specific things

[polar sail]

😂😂

[balmy condor]

it just doesn't put up numbers otherwise

[grim jay]

I kinda hope for a warbound piece on an alt or smth

[winged quail]

No you’re supposed to sandbag

[balmy condor]

like sin cranks the shield on alleria p2

[winged quail]

Sin is bad at everything buff now pls

[balmy condor]

and sin cranks the downstairs add on chimaerus if you hold cds, and if you don't hold cds you crank the boss instead

but like it can't do multiple things

like if you crank the big add on chimaerus, you aren't doing shit otherwise

[haughty flicker]

time to tell rl to let the assa rogue ignore downstairs entirely and sit boss

[grim jay]

Idk, its probably also just about how we played it or rather how our comp is. It didnt feel like it would be better on sin than sub that way

[runic hinge]

I wish I could get cranked

[winged quail]

Ye look boss dmg vs overall damage and you see quickly how much Sub is a meme pad spec in comparison

[shell plaza]

any other meaningful advantages of assa over sub except execute, prio and cleave?

[balmy condor]

"any other meaningful advantages of assa over sub except literally everything imaginable?"

no, I think you about summed it up actually

[haughty flicker]

[shell plaza]

[runic hinge]

Bel how is spriest

[haughty flicker]

it seems good

[hexed frost]

What else is left?

[shell plaza]

better for roleplay?

[winged quail]

But Sub sims higher in pure singletarget so it’s probably better actually

[balmy condor]

fuck

didn't think of that

[hexed frost]

More like better for foreplay

[shell plaza]

can you aurafarm on assa tho

[haughty flicker]

i gamed on dreamrift

and i trolled my warlock

so its a win win

[shell plaza]

im being dpsmogged by our dpsmaxxxing demo locks

🫣

brutally ..

[grim jay]

Speaking of, the only reason my lfr run wasnt a shitshow was my priest friend

[runic hinge]

Hell yeah

[grim jay]

Tank just refused to play the adds on the first Boss

So he had to get gripped all the time

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[golden loom]

I mean I wiped 4 times on first boss of lfr yesterday on an alt

tic tac toe is very hard iguess

[haughty flicker]

i did dreamrift lfr yesterday and joined to 4 determination stacks and a vote kick aimed at the tank

[grim jay]

[runic hinge]

lol

I did one and we one shot everything so idk maybe it’s luck of the draw

I only got beat in dps by a feral Druid

[spiral basalt]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.

For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:

• Blizzard HUD
• Blizzard CDM

[grim jay]

Certainly is

The raid is very much a tank raid

Imo

[strange onyx]

Crazy to me that people in this channel wanna play assa, but feel like Sub is too good to not play it. Then they get told that assa is the better spec and somehow they get mad that they can’t play assa???

[grim jay]

Duality of man

[fresh ingot]

Not a fan of stealth spam. Sub does that, right?

[grim jay]

What

[strange onyx]

Like either they are too bad at the game, but somehow seek out a discord to get information to improve at the game, but refuse to get better

[fresh ingot]

i mean shadow dance, vanish - basically using stealth abilties off CD and being like a 4/10 outside of that

i only tried Sub once in early TWW and it felt hella wack

[strange onyx]

Think you missed my point

[fresh ingot]

oh yeah i did

i read this as a statement "but feel like Sub is too good to not play it" as in you feel like sub is very good

[grim jay]

Its very much a burst spec, but kinda has nothing to do with stealth spam

[strange onyx]

I am just surprised at the amount of people, who seems to lack the core concepts of progressing a fight or how to understand how to make meaningful decisions s

Sub serves a very small niche in BIG DMG on a specific target at a specific point

And in this raid atleast on HC that is not needed, compared to execute, prio and cleave

[fresh ingot]

hmm 🤔 cant even blame the spec then, my DPS feels pretty bad im usually like #11-16 out of 23 dps in our HC raid but im at most 5 iLvl behind the top, mostly enchanted and juiced up

[strange onyx]

Topping the meter vs doing meaningful damage is not the same

[shell plaza]

good point, thx

[normal mist]

The good old "I did twice the DMG everyone did but I didn't focus the important adds so we wiped"

[haughty flicker]

Just do both

[indigo mulch]

[celest ruin]

lmao what a choice node

[arctic tusk]

so is that that thing guy posted about the voidstorm trinket not only in openworld?

[jaunty notch]

hey guys

rogue buffed

1 new talent

OMEGAKEK

[indigo mulch]

[grim jay]

Its ptr

Noone should expect buffs on ptr rn

There are still live tuning passes until the ptr patch eventually gets released, numbers arent its purpose atp

[plucky ember]

1 new talet?

Talent

Is it up on wowhead?

[normal mist]

Check the pinned message

[jaunty notch]

yep

we are so back (clueless)

[plucky ember]

Hrm

[real pike]

Solo content buffs are pretty cool tbf

Might make delving an itty bitty less miserable

Also aoe blind back is wonderful news

[grim jay]

True

[grim jay]

Idk still kinda lackluster

They could rather buff vial

[jaunty notch]

rogue does NOT need a buff guys

[static glacier]

LMAO

Bro you were playing the right spec even 😭

[jaunty notch]

tbf I'm not that good on sub and very early parse don't really matter

I could have done way better with 4p, etc... but I still feel very very weak

[subtle tundra]

buff these

🥜

[subtle tundra]

bud like noone has 4p

(there are people with 4pc i know, but 99.9% dont)

[static glacier]

Issue with 4pc is you either go for the full 4pc or you sit on pieces you were directly given, can’t use cata charges until 4 is guaranteed

[golden loom]

if u dont have 4 set u are noob!

[quiet oar]

I will do the line

Varas you dont even play

fuck off

[grim jay]

Varas is playing with deez

[quiet oar]

I wish i was varas

to play with deez

[subtle tundra]

🥱

put deez in there

[jaunty notch]

some people have 2p and 2p is kinda good

[subtle tundra]

i wish i had 2p and 2 more p(ieces) of nuggets

[grim jay]

You can ask Tony if he has 2 nugz

@runic hinge

[strange onyx]

Speak for yourself

[subtle tundra]

i thought it was a given i dont have it

[runic hinge]

Always

[shell plaza]

help when

[grim jay]

I mean unholy is still in the same garbage truck

After getting rebuffed

[dusky oasis]

can't wait for the sin buff, the season I felt like playing sin is the one where sub performs better

[strange onyx]

I think we will get a tiny buff, but Sin is completely fine atm

[static glacier]

Real talk, if they keep pushing this constant rot dmg style fight

They need to seriously reconsider dk defensives

Doesn’t look like these motherfuckers are playing the same fight

[dusky oasis]

doesn't it struggle on st? I know most fights are cleave/aoe but still it feels like I do nothing on sin

[grim jay]

Yeah kinda tone em down a bit

And add some more movement

[strange onyx]

Doesn’t really struggle, it’s a bit low at start, but strong execute and cds

[dusky oasis]

Ah okay, might try it

[strange onyx]

I would definitely say it is the best spec for rogue

[dusky oasis]

I played sub since Legion, I hated tww bcs sub wasn't the best for pve so I just didn't play that much, mostly pvp the same as in df, now I really want to play sin since they dumbed sub down too much for my liking, it has become too easy

[subtle tundra]

how big will the buff be

3% or 30%

[strange onyx]

I’d reckon like 5% overall and then a rupture and garrote buff 10%?

Hopefully we get a new 2 piece or a buff to it

[subtle tundra]

bro thinks we get a new tier set bonus

thats crazy to say

we're getting packed for lunch baby

[strange onyx]

It is just completely left field cope

[balmy condor]

He is the loa of misinformation after all

[subtle tundra]

whens the next tuning announcement

wasnt the last one on friday?

[balmy condor]

Within the next 15 hours I assume

[subtle tundra]

wouldnt they need some more data

[balmy condor]

This would be heroic week tuning

[subtle tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320599387566506065/1326573955774939277/media-iv-text.gif

[strange onyx]

Buddy, do you ever sleep?

[balmy condor]

Idk, do I

[stiff garden]

Every second Saturday of the month

[balmy condor]

Woah woah woah

Two nights a month

[dusky oasis]

Sleep is for casuals, we grindin wow here

[fierce sigil]

As assa we wanna have a lot of crit and Mastery Right?
Atm it feels Like assa is stronger in the Council fight and Dragon Right (>Sub) Right?

[balmy condor]

Crit haste

[dusky oasis]

Crit>=haste>mast

Feels wrong tho, I wanna stack mastery

[strange onyx]

What’s your hope for the tuning tonight?

[balmy condor]

Buffs

[golden loom]

the return of vicious venomns and +50% mutilate buff

[strange onyx]

Good comms

[dusky oasis]

Revert Venomous Wounds nerfs

[balmy condor]

Ty I’m kinda the goat

[balmy condor]

Insane work

[subtle tundra]

big buffies

also sudden demise buff

make it 20% bleeds

[dusky oasis]

Or just give us some buffs on early fights so we dont have to wait for exec phase

[strange onyx]

If they buff Sudden Demise I am gonna whoop your ass

[subtle tundra]

honestly make zoldyck 85% and lower

[subtle tundra]

like, sexually?

[strange onyx]

Zoldyck’s family recipe: Your poisons and bleed now deal 10% increased damage when the target is above 85% health

[potent moon]

do any of you feel like crimson should apply the bleeds to an uncapped target count?

[strange onyx]

Like in oranges in a sock and we will see what becomes pulp first

[balmy condor]

No

[strange onyx]

Nah

[dusky oasis]

Would be ultra broken

[potent moon]

ok 🫠

[subtle tundra]

thats crazy to even say

lol

but fr crimson tempest feels so bad to play

i looked at some footage

yikers

[potent moon]

but a higher target count than 2?

[dusky oasis]

Make it more targets than 2 sure but not uncapped

3 or 4 would be okayge imo

[subtle tundra]

make it 0 and make it have a different bleed that applies to all targets hit, and make it a spender

[strange onyx]

I think CT feels quite good actually when it hits meaningful targets

[potent moon]

so get old tempest back

[strange onyx]

So like last phase of dragon

[dusky oasis]

Old tempest was better yes

[subtle tundra]

this raid fucking sucks its full of low hp targets

[strange onyx]

And Paladin fight

[potent moon]

and then make indiscriminate carnage an active builder that works like the new crimson?

[subtle tundra]

that die insta by john warrior and johnette dh

[strange onyx]

Hitting improved garrote on all three of the palas on pull 💯

[dusky oasis]

So we use fatebound everywhere yes?

[strange onyx]

Yes

You can use DS in m+

But honestly don’t bother

You gonna lose any benefit of it by misplaying

[balmy condor]

Reading this chat makes me want to bridge jump god bless

[potent moon]

sry boss

[strange onyx]

Glad I can be of service 😊

[subtle tundra]

whats the most popular bridge near you

[balmy condor]

Golden gate

[golden loom]

idk I like pressing it 🙂

[balmy condor]

But they put nets and railings up everywhere

Cause too many people ya know

[dusky oasis]

Let's make poison bomb extend all current dots, no I am not serious

[golden loom]

like it actually feels impactful as a button cause it spreads ur bleeds and you feel when you press it cause it costs a fuckton

[stiff garden]

In Raids when trying to choose between Fatebound and Deathstalker, the current strat is to swap spec to Sub

[subtle tundra]

holy jumping off golden gate is probably bis

[balmy condor]

You were considering deathstalker in raids? LMAO

[shut storm]

Is assa rogue really as bad as people say in dungeons

[strange onyx]

Pls dont do it. I don’t wanna download the ptr

[golden loom]

I think the current crimson tempest is way more interesting than old crimson tempest

cause that button was just insanely op

[balmy condor]

It’s better in dungeons than in m+

Erm

Dungeon than in raid

[subtle tundra]

nice

[dusky oasis]

brainfart.mp3?

[balmy condor]

Yeah new ct is cool

Big fan

Carnage but better in every way

[stiff garden]

New Ability "Keep em rolling": Extend the duration of all your bleeds by 30 seconds

[balmy condor]

[potent moon]

that sounds like a pirate kind of thing

[stiff garden]

I wonder where I got the idea from

[shy axle]

which poison reminder do you use? Thought i don`t need it just as i forgot yesterday for the first time at all

karma

[strange onyx]

Got some dogwater addon

[dusky oasis]

New ability "1000 degree knife: instantly cauterize the wounds inflicted making all bleeds do damage instantly"

and ofc removing bleeds

Im doing the devils work amen

[plain thistle]

I'm using Clickable Raid buffs

[dusky oasis]

reaply every dungeon start

or before every boss

no addon needed

[balmy condor]

This is basically just vein ripper from torghast

[night delta]

How'd you guys get your hero crests this week without going into heroic raid ?

Just chain preys ?

[dusky oasis]

basically yeah, would be cool but I can see the problems with it lmao

[dusky oasis]

preys and ? and ?? delves

?? also gives 30 myth

fyi

[balmy condor]

Least offensive suggestion yet tbh

[night delta]

Repeatable ?

[dusky oasis]

no

1 time

[night delta]

Ah ok

[dusky oasis]

But if you can do ?? as dps this early then gg

[night delta]

Isn't it also really fuckin hard ?

[dusky oasis]

Yes, it is

[night delta]

Ok guess I'll pass and wait for m+ week lol

[rugged basalt]

?? is hard but ? is easy

[dusky oasis]

You need aoe stun for ??

[unreal fern]

Are we heavly undertunned at raid atm or I just suck as sin rogue? XD

[rugged basalt]

N or h?

[golden loom]

my suggestion, dont touch any regen tool -> go back to 300 energy instead of 250

[rugged basalt]

I hovered top 4 dmg but I was mostly focused on not fucking up mechs

Which isn't a lot but wasn't bad

[dusky oasis]

we are heavily undertuned period

for everything

[night delta]

How do you guys figure the future of the raid is gonna be like, damage profile wise

Already seen video kills were adds implode

Feels like for some fights AoE or cleave will be a pipe dream

[unreal fern]

well Im seriously considering going subtelty even tho I like sin changes but we suck atm,

[nocturne mantle]

Is blizzard gonna buffs us before m+ or gonna have to keep playing sub? And even that is..

[night delta]

I mean, they could buff us all they want, our aoe principles wont change

We simply aren't built for shit that dies in 3 seconds

[dusky oasis]

If we get sin buffs im going to play it, sticking to sub until then

Bcs shit just dies too quick

[golden loom]

so play sin for boss damage then

[strange onyx]

Let’s use shiv again

[night delta]

Do we do even good boss dmg though

[strange onyx]

Tell me how these slog ass bosses die too fast

[night delta]

Oh, guess we do then

Alright, always liked being good at killing the boss

[dusky oasis]

I legit just saw each of the fall over like dominoes in under 5 minutes each

[rugged basalt]

I did want to ask this, on what bosses in voidspire do we use ST build?

[dusky oasis]

2-3

sry

2-3

[jaunty notch]

howly shit

[night delta]

Isn't crown also heavily ST ?

[rugged basalt]

Vorasius and Salad bar?

or dragon

[night delta]

I guess there's the small shit in p1 that dies too quick, maybe the kick adds in p2 justify cleave ?

[dusky oasis]

saladbar

[rugged basalt]

I cleaved in last boss

Okay good to know ty

[static glacier]

Please don’t fall into the trap of ignoring how shit sin’s tier is / how cracked sub is

[night delta]

Whoa I just discovered m0s are daily lockout ?

That wasn't like that in DF

[static glacier]

I told my guild even, I’m enjoying the pre-tier time, once I get it (got given a piece already) sin is dead / sub forever unless a fight has aoe that sin can hit but sub can’t

[unreal fern]

I think this is exception, why to take us when someone else can do also good or better boss dmg and aoe on top of that

[golden loom]

I mean yeah its a single target fight with adds you can padd on which is why I linked it for boss damage

[night delta]

Poor strategic play, gotta have a player who soaks dagger drops

[unreal fern]

survival hunters 🤣

[night delta]

But survival hunters aren't people, they don't have rights

(My lawyer advised me to explain that this is a joke)

[quiet oar]

Survival Hunters are the chads

wdym

[night delta]

They could've had balls and deal with ranged mechanics like other hunters do, instead they chose the safety and comfort of melee

And, they steal our daggers

[quiet oar]

Ranged mechanics yeah

As BM hunter

[dusky oasis]

I had 2 specs I wanted to play, It was sin rogue and fire mage, both are piss so I guess I just go bridge

[unreal fern]

well BM is even considered dps spec still atm?

[night delta]

Someone else likes critting

[dusky oasis]

I might need to go sit aug jail again

or just play sub since it's finally meta after years of being on pug blacklist

[night delta]

Being obliterated on Zul back in Uldir does things to a mf

Psychic blast wave that lasted for years

[dusky oasis]

I played frost mage in bfa so idk

[static glacier]

Do you know what rank 95th percentile sin is vs the others?

Sin has very few parses, filtering to high percentiles will skew perception bc of the tiny data set

[dusky oasis]

60th percentile and 95 is just ilvl diff I think

[rugged basalt]

I have a 67 on crown I assure you I am sandbagging as the stats too

[rancid anvil]

i feel like i must be doing something wrong, there always seems to be a point where i just dont have the energy to get implacable stacks up to 80%. Maybe i'm not pooling enough before i start stacking up again? is there an amount of energy before i get back into that part of the rotation? or if it drops is that ok? and you just make sure to drop it whenever it hits 80%?

[balmy condor]

If it drops earlier than 80 that’s fine

[warm vortex]

Say that again…

[brazen falcon]

ahaha...

[warm vortex]

Also quick tip for everyone here if they wanna brannmax

[rugged basalt]

[primal parrot]

chimaerus is heavy add cleave though

idk why u would bring that up as an example for good boss dps

[rancid anvil]

So its ok if it drops early and you dont have to let it drop during lust?

[golden loom]

I mean

there is 1 important add

the small adds are just padd that die regardless

[primal parrot]

which gives us funnel

[golden loom]

funnel in terms of maybe you get a fan of knives or two off before they die which technically is "funnel"?

because I hope we arent talking about deathstalker

[haughty flicker]

The small adds are there for me to pad psychic link damage off of

[subtle tundra]

is it funnel?? are you actually getting st by not using mut

[golden loom]

i never crit so I have to mutilate 3 times to envenom!

but with fok I always crit

[balmy condor]

You let it drop if:

• youre at max and won’t overcap energy by letting it drop
• you literally can’t envenom again

[rugged basalt]

The abcs...always be crittin...

[rancid anvil]

thank you for all the help

[balmy condor]

Np

[devout cove]

Yall, if assa rogue is so bad, why am I topping the charts in dungeons and raids?

Is everyone else just bad at the game?

[mortal drum]

Yes.

[devout cove]

Figured

[strange onyx]

Link log

[dusky oasis]

not my raid, was watching my friends raid on stream, I raid tonight so we'll see xd

[mortal drum]

thats part of why generally speaking tier lists are dumb because if you play a class you enjoy and actually know how to hit your buttons youll perform better than most tierlist andys and fathers of 7 kids with 32 jobs at the coal mine playing FOTM in pugs

[strange onyx]

Yeah, my raid team goes to a different school and they killed Chimaerus in 3 minutes

[mortal drum]

Loa of Misinformation is funny

[balmy condor]

Slow kill eh?

How many buyers was that

[dusky oasis]

normal kills are fast

Maybe hc takes longer

[strange onyx]

Let’s not pretend we ever talk about Normal when HC is out

[viscid spear]

Loa of Expectations
Get it?

[balmy condor]

Normal is already joke content tbh

[dusky oasis]

Hold on lemme get them logs xd

[strange onyx]

With how some of my raiders play it feels like 7 buyers

[balmy condor]

You overgear normal with farmable prey gear

It’s a strange difficulty to exist

[severe meadow]

Prey

[dusky oasis]

chimaerus or whatever his name was is 13 minutes on hc for them I said nothing xd

[haughty flicker]

it was a 10m fight for my guild

[severe meadow]

20 minute mythic kill

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

It’s fascinating to me that dungeons and raids have difficulty levels that you can overgear with essentially world quest blues

Early expac gearing is so weird

[unreal fern]

Well it was diffrent in vanilla/tbc/wotlk

I remember doing SSC vashji with blue items

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s different every expansion

[subtle tundra]

how is aleria

[balmy condor]

But I just don’t get why normal dungeons exist for example

[subtle tundra]

hc?? hard?

[mortal drum]

why is alleria

[severe meadow]

The game was different 15 years ago you say?

[balmy condor]

Just why have normal and heroic

[unreal fern]

well idea was to ppl with -50% skill do it I guess

but it forced everyone to do it

cause of sets etc

[strange onyx]

I dont diss normal content if that is your main content, same with progressing HC, but when discussing anything it should never be based on the lower end of content

[balmy condor]

Isn’t that what follower dungeons do

[unreal fern]

well now yes, I agree

[plucky ember]

https://tenor.com/view/i-was-younger-randy-marsh-south-park-i-didnt-know-what-i-was-doing-i-was-dumb-gif-20394527

[unreal fern]

but when normal/hc was created there was no follower

[balmy condor]

Like it’s the same with LFR, there’s story mode now

[golden loom]

well if you dont have normal dungeons, then the names heroic and mythic make less sense

[balmy condor]

Why is LFR and normal raid a thing

[unreal fern]

but blizzard tend to keep not relevant ideas forever

[plucky ember]

i had working fingers not fucked by working in kitchens for 13 years

[strange onyx]

😊🤠

[severe meadow]

LFR splits value

[plucky ember]

talking about lfr

i saw ONE monk, getting all the leather stuff that dropped on my lfr yesterday

fucked

[mortal drum]

theyll use it better than us rn

[plucky ember]

SoB even got the toy

[strange onyx]

Go check ww 4p %

[haughty flicker]

for moments like this

[strange onyx]

They make assa 4 set seem like a godsend

[mortal drum]

well

[balmy condor]

He’s trying

[mortal drum]

at least it looks... nice?

[stuck lodge]

I was feeling okay with my 74 parse, then I clicked toggle ilvl

[strange onyx]

People are too mean in randomized content

[stuck lodge]

no idea what it does, but it made me very sad

[haughty flicker]

thats what i saw when i joined, we one shot it after that

so he did his best and it paid off

eventually

[mortal drum]

it compares your parses to other parses taken at the same or very similar ilvl

i think the range is like 3ilvls

[stuck lodge]

for the same spec?

[mortal drum]

ye

[stuck lodge]

welp

turns out I am indeed shit

[strange onyx]

Its gives the plebians a feeling of superiority when they can flame someone who is a fraction worse than them in the game

Like gold players in league flaming people in bronze

[dusky oasis]

ye ig, this ssn my main content is being on the alt team since no time to spend that much prepping, next season maybe mythic progging tho

[static glacier]

Once upon a time normal was hc. I think they need to reassess non raid loot at champ track and lower / raid loot at myth track and the item quality offered. Normal raid feels fake bc m+ and m+ is unsatisfying bc 1 myth item a week and you get it 1/6

[dusky oasis]

Hot take, I don't care about how well I can clear the current end content as long as I am having fun with friends doing it

[strange onyx]

Love that for you, I hope didn’t come off as rude. There is a lot of people who come in here and make assumptions and claims that have no bases in reality

[strange onyx]

Been doing this for 10 years 💪. Keep it up champ

[distant plinth]

Should be ilvl 100, then you only get r1s

[dusky oasis]

yeah no worries, you didn't come off as rude, but I can see what you mean by that, some dipshit who thinks he is #1 in world just comes and says some bs

[stuck lodge]

To be fair, there is someone who is the best in the world and that's cool. But you don't need to be at that level to enjoy the game and clear the content

[humble verge]

noob

[haughty flicker]

should i post this in outlaw

[strange onyx]

Yeah together with the pic I sent earlier

[nova aspen]

holy priest dps stonks

[analog field]

anyone knows on avg dps diff between consumables rank 1 and 2

is it like 0.5 or 3 ?

[strange onyx]

On what?

[shut storm]

Will there be another balance patch before next reset?

[coral ibex]

there will be balance patches every tuesday for the next 3 tuesdays

[shut storm]

So there is still hope

[strange onyx]

One drops tonight probably, but goes live on weekly reset

[strange onyx]

What you hoping for?