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#assassination
glacial venture
balmy condor
I mean
humble verge
clips arent long and they are 2d so
balmy condor
400 mb
thorn thorn
balmy condor
okay that's insane
storm forum
thorn thorn
almost 2000 items
humble verge
thorn thorn
what on gods green earth
worn nimbus
in a huge pack, lets say like 15-20 mobs do you spam spam CT? i cant tell at that many mobs what has bleeds and what doesnt
humble verge
literally me btw
balmy condor
in a huge pack, lets say like 15-20 mobs do you spam spam CT? i cant tell at tha...
no
worn nimbus
so CT like 5/6 times then fok?
balmy condor
ct into env
humble verge
okay that's insane
thorn thorn
Uber is legit the only human I have met that uses mp4s still
Its 2026 bro
Please level up
worn nimbus
sorry i meant, when do you decide when to FOK over CT, im assuming once your bleeds are applied to everything but at huge mobs stacks i cant tell what has/doesnt have bleeds
humble verge
cant convey a good message without mp4
balmy condor
sorry i meant, when do you decide when to FOK over CT, im assuming once your ble...
yeah in huge mob stacks just hit ct a bunch it doesn't have to be exact
worn nimbus
okay that sounds fair
balmy condor
in huge pulls like that the bigger thing is that you're actually getting more energy
so you're probably able to sustain CT anyway
bronze pike
R u okay whispyr?
storm forum
at how many targets are we ignoring implacable?
balmy condor
R u okay whispyr?
I'm chillin
balmy condor
at how many targets are we ignoring implacable?
it's not a target count it's an energy thing, if you're going to overcap then obviously you ignore it
storm forum
i was hoping there was a number for when we start overcapping, cause sometimes i was just vibing on 5 targets, and sometimes i felt starved in larger pulls
tbh that was probably like, DM with a clean opener vs chainpulling awkwardly
balmy condor
yeah I mean with how they changed energy it's just not that simple
could be 8
could be 10
maybe it's a lust pull and you cap at 6
just gotta keep an eye on your energy
thorn thorn
did they kill ct spam in aoe
frosty cedar
it wasnt necessarily killed, we just figured out its fine to envenom actually rather than just spam the builder at max cp if there was mobs without a bleed
thorn thorn
was it ever a thing 
thorn thorn
spice surge
sims were bugged
Which is why we've decided to use them as the definitive benchmark for class comparisons!
lost fable
bronze pike
I'm chillin
balmy condor
Which is why we've decided to use them as the definitive benchmark for class com...
do not
spice surge
spice surge
If you mean how many targets have bleeds currently active im fairly sure thats not something you can do anymore
dapper halo
shame if so
balmy condor
ffxiv discord or something idk I'm only in there for the banger emotes
thorn thorn
<:peeposalute:688559330860990467>
Was subs aoe op
spice surge
It was strong yeah
Not sure it was strong enough to warrant a 20% nerf to our AoE abilities
storm forum
Da hell is pvm
apparently it's Player vs Monster in RuneScape
spice surge
It was doing good damage in m0
spice surge
I am unaware of the power of protection paladin
storm forum
let's check the she-gets shot
halcyon saddle
Every 2 mins they go nuts...
storm forum
to be fair, prot trades their 2min defensive CD for that
vocal basalt
storm forum
all i know is that prot pal is giga dam with wings and absolutely unkillable with sentinel
and its a choice node
lone pasture
hai
violet island
ffxiv discord or something idk I'm only in there for the banger emotes
Pvm has a lot of good emotes lmao
And I have absolutely no idea what that discord is for
Why are rox and chancel here
real pike
Sorry if this has been asked I couldn't find it in the guide, what ilvl are we crafting dagger at?
thorn thorn
Brother I been here
violet island
Sorry if this has been asked I couldn't find it in the guide, what ilvl are we c...
259 with sparks (no crest) then later 285 with myth crests
real pike
259 with sparks (no crest) then later 285 with myth crests
Legend tyvm
real pike
have you guys crafted
Am about to
violet island
@balmy condor I don't follow subtlety advice And don't want to accidentally disagree, can I tell people it's safe to craft a dagger
humble verge
forgot my RL pinned my message 
real pike
Are you guys bothering with prey and WQs and all that business? Or just going for m0 spam on heroic week into m+ spam the next?
real pike
<@167090536602140682> I don't follow subtlety advice And don't want to accidenta...
We deffo craft a dagger
Just wasn't sure on ilvl
And safe to spend a spark cause it's bis OH all the way through
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> I don't follow subtlety advice And don't want to accidenta...
yeah
violet island
Are you guys bothering with prey and WQs and all that business? Or just going fo...
Prey and delves will provide a hero piece next week. M0 will not
soft marsh
Are you guys bothering with prey and WQs and all that business? Or just going fo...
Preys are pretty good, and you can complete them pretty fast, if you just keep disarming traps around the prey wq
real pike
Prey and delves will provide a hero piece next week. M0 will not
If only there was some kind of guide I could read that outlines all this stuff and what I should do to gear up in the first few weeks
violet island
If only
real pike
You seem you know your stuff, maybe you should write one 
real pike
Preys are pretty good, and you can complete them pretty fast, if you just keep d...
That sounds pretty brainless tbf I just don't like the idea of doing a normal one to unlock hard
I'm incredibly lazy
soft marsh
That sounds pretty brainless tbf I just don't like the idea of doing a normal on...
I mean you can do it the actual way. If you are lazy though, wouldn't it make sense to take the fast track through it?
balmy condor
I think the funniest thing about the prey system
is that we end up being the prey
real pike
Eh sort of but I also value switching off my already smooth brain
soft marsh
Actually sort of true yeah
We actually hunt the target, but they ambush us so much more often
real pike
I'll happily put the hours into m+ spam cause it's fun and with other people and rewarding
Repetitive solo content kills my enjoyment
Delving 1-7 last xpac almost broke me
soft marsh
Well then luckily you wont have to do it
Nets some pretty ni
whoops
nice loot come next week
real pike
Nets some pretty ni
The knights who say?
soft marsh
Exactly those
soft marsh
I was searching for it, but I've only seen the movie in german. I was searching bush because of that
real pike
Searching for bush will likely come up with a different flavour of results
I feel sorry for you seeing it in German, I feel like half the jokes and wordplay would be lost in translation
soft marsh
I feel sorry for you seeing it in German, I feel like half the jokes and wordpla...
I'm not sure, I thought everything came across pretty well. Then again, I have no way of comparing right now
real pike
Was it subs or a dub?
polar sail
24 march:
energy fix
Aura buff
real pike
Energy fix?
real pike
I'm not sure, I thought everything came across pretty well. Then again, I have n...
Those guys are comedic geniuses though, their delivery is superb too
soft marsh
Was it subs or a dub?
Dub. We rarely have Sub in germany, because we're lucky to have really good dubs generally
real pike
highly recommend doing yourself a favour and watching the OG one
soft marsh
You know, I just found out something hillarious
The movie is called Monty Python and the Holy Grail in english, right?
real pike
yeah
soft marsh
Well you see the german title is quite different
real pike
oh
soft marsh
Translated, it would be 'Knights of the Coconut'
real pike
soft marsh
And I just assumed that would be the actual title haha
soft marsh
real pike
we could all do a watch party when we all get benched in mythic for our class being about as useful as the black knight
soft marsh
The black knight was able to tank quite a bit of damage tho
don't insult him like that
real pike
he'll bite your ankles
soft marsh
I think I'll have to sit down and watch german and english back to back one day, and then I'll know if everything lands
real pike
I would be very interested to know
thorn thorn
I think the funniest thing about the prey system
The funniest thing about the prey system is that it sucks
balmy condor
true
vernal adder
dont let the prey hear this
haughty flicker
ok but you get astalor to whisper in your ears
silver mantle
i just had time to level since launch. i want to play assass, am i cooked or is it viable? getting mixed vibes.
thorn thorn
Made it seem like it was gonna be much bigger than it actually was
And not just a world quest with 4 steps
haughty flicker
my cope is all the cool stuff is hidden behind nightmare hunts
vernal adder
the prey should just off themselves when I accept the quest
haughty flicker
honestly abundance was the only fun world event and they shot that in the head so
gg
humble verge
false
haughty flicker
abundance was fun
haughty flicker
when it was so abundant it was lagging the server
vocal basalt
i just had time to level since launch. i want to play assass, am i cooked or is ...
Rogue has always been ass to level. At endgame I would honestly say it really doesn't matter if you're casual about it
humble verge
so ABUNDANT
humble verge
false news
silver mantle
Rogue has always been ass to level. At endgame I would honestly say it *really* ...
nah i mean mostly for M+ and raiding. I'll do both casually but also don't want to be a dead weight. sub pulls good numbers but i always liked assass gameplay better
grim coral
Should I be consistently energy starved in leveling dungeons doing aoe pulls?
vocal basalt
You'll be fine in m+ and raiding. People might be stingy but in reality you'll be able to succeed still.
real pike
Well if im honest I dont think any world content is fun
So majestically based
grim coral
yes
Unless they change Venomous Wounds this is gonna be the case throughout midnight isn't it
real pike
@balmy condor sorry for pinging you I haven't found the answer anywhere else, does your UI/CDM show the uptime of Cloak/Feint/Evasion please? And does it show when Garotte is empowered (applied one on target not if available)?
soft marsh
Garotte definitely in it, you can add the others in cdm
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> sorry for pinging you I haven't found the answer anywhere ...
yeah that's just base cdm
real pike
ok thanks, do you have that stuff shown in your own setup?
balmy condor
can't remember, I think so
real pike
I'll have to find a way to do that, cheers
hollow river
can't remember, I think so
Any idea if the DSM bug was fixed?
balmy condor
Any idea if the DSM bug was fixed? <:logs:585734084232347648>
which one 
hollow river
which one <:Smile:1327878651051638804>
The never able to reapply one
hollow river
Someone just shared a clip in #pvp of reapplying it after a pally bubble
So I was just curious
digital elk
Pretty sure the tooltip explains why that's possible
humble verge
cant this one be pinged mr whispyr
hollow river
Pretty sure the tooltip explains why that's possible
Huh
digital elk
When I said the tooltip explains I thought I was indicating you could go read it for yourself but here you go
Bubble == no longer active
hollow river
When I said the tooltip explains I thought I was indicating you could go read it...
You realize I’m talking about a bug right
I know how the mark is supposed to work
Since beta your mark being removed by immunities/certain situations, you could never reapply the mark for the rest of the encounter/instance
digital elk
Well since beta blind also wasn't supposed to be aoe 🤷♀️
hollow river
What does that have to do with anything man 
digital elk
Not sure I can screenshot that one for you
tight ginkgo
whats this about DM in sims not duplicating poison dam
hollow river
Not sure I can screenshot that one for you
I know what blind was doing, but what does that have to do with anything
Not sure why you’re being a dick
balmy condor
whats this about DM in sims not duplicating poison dam
sims are still actively being worked on
tight ginkgo
balmy condor
there's a couple of interactions and stuff that don't have spell data
it's all scripted
which means it can't be datamined and needs to basically be coded from scratch to model accurately
tight ginkgo
thorn thorn
When I said the tooltip explains I thought I was indicating you could go read it...
What sort of little man syndrome is this
balmy condor
like last week the kingsbane apex lashes got fixed
tight ginkgo
whispyr you spoil us
balmy condor
because those are all sorts of fucked
it's 5 lashes, each lash gives a combo point
but each lash is 2 hits
one nature and one physical hit
thorn thorn
Spatter value
tight ginkgo
🥴
balmy condor
the nature hit spatters, the physical hit doesn't obviously, but the physical hit has a built-in aoe that isn't shown anywhere
and then when it "applies poisons" right
the nature hit doesn't, the physical hit does
tight ginkgo
wtf lmao
thorn thorn
solar wyvern
What sort of little man syndrome is this
His name is Some Guy excellent shitposting sir
balmy condor
and the physical hit simply applies the poisons you have on your character right
balmy condor
so if you only have deadly, it only applies deadly, if you have amp poison and deadly it applies both
tight ginkgo
ah yes "simply"
balmy condor
and that works like you would expect, you also get 5 stacks of amp poison
so like with DTB you get 10 poisons, and 10 stacks of kb
but without DTB with one poison, you only get 5
thorn thorn
balmy condor
but it's the same amount of lashes, and the same amount of hits
does that make sense
thorn thorn
At least it gives stacks of kb
balmy condor
balmy condor
and then there was a change to how passive effects are handled in sims, like not a rogue specific thing, just a core sim backend thing
tight ginkgo
fr it does but yeah that's complicated to manually code id imagine haha...
balmy condor
and that broke some stuff like lethal dose and caustic spatter
so
there's just a lot of mess
tight ginkgo
:(
balmy condor
anyway, have you seen that brewmaster sims higher than assassination!
haughty flicker
damn that some guy guy was typing for a long time and didnt hit enter
balmy condor
that's crazy
haughty flicker
unlucky
haughty flicker
<a:AHH:1370156797813592085>
you cant post that here
haughty flicker
better ty
tight ginkgo
dont forget to apply sunscreen it is hot out there!
haughty flicker
is it though
storm forum
i cant wait for sims to be fixed and finished and we do pre-nerf UDK dam
excellent accidental sandbagging
thorn thorn
<:952587837558128701:1035766464814268446>
what even is this
humble verge
what even is this
its a 952587837558128701
severe meadow
what even is this
You
haughty flicker
its pretty fuckin obvious by the name isnt it
balmy condor
what even is this
bro doesn't know
humble verge
YEA ITS 952587837558128701
balmy condor
it's english
humble verge
your mum
haughty flicker
well its arabic
thorn thorn
This cant be
If I am a clanker that means every single shitpost I made is AI generated
ember mural
balmy condor
If I am a clanker that means every single shitpost I made is AI generated
back to the jar you go
thorn thorn
frosty briar
back to the jar you go
radiant basin
they just released bug fixes and theres still no apex talent tracking fix
prisma laurel
anyone have a poison rogue tmog
pearl steppe
should it be this fkn hard for me to 1v1 renowned beasts?
getting really tilted at this
every other class i see easily 1v1s renowned beasts and even kills them while pulling nearby mobs
demonology warlocks and survival hunters
but on assa rogue it feels like i can barely win and if a single other mob gets pulled its fkn over
im using feint evasion and shroud too
either im doing something rly wrong or the class is cheeks at pve
cunning needle
are you sub 200 ilvl? and not pressing cooldowns or something?>
buoyant herald
Renowned beasts?
buoyant herald
Ah that explains it
storm forum
I didn't know we could be something other than herb/alch
buoyant herald
You guys are doing professions?
haughty flicker
yes, otherwise i would be poor
just the easy shit though
like you use tailoring to get to 90 anyway, might as well make bolts daily
storm forum
i find herbing relaxing
throw something chill on the second monitor and fly around
and then alch gives me something to do with the herbs and is pretty thematic, pretend i make my own potions and poisons
pearl steppe
are you sub 200 ilvl? and not pressing cooldowns or something?>
im ilvl216
and im following the rotation in the whispyr guide on wowhead
double garrote out of stealth, mutilate for max pts, rupture, death mark, kingsbane for the open
its also really fucking annoying that you can't use vanish to get the stronger garrotes mid fight because it completely resets the mob and they instantly gain full hp
love that about assa rogue really great interaction
haughty flicker
ive only been playing sub so far
but i havent struggled at all with prey bosses or rares or anything on it
mebbe try that
pearl steppe
yeah ive had quite a few people tell me to swap to sub
ive only ever played assa
but i am losing my patience this season so i might
normal mist
Is vanish really your biggest problem?
1 (one) extra improved garrote in world content?
thorn thorn
Are they immune to cc
normal mist
Who
thorn thorn
renowned beasts
normal mist
Oh hard question, I've no idea
normal mist
my guild is dooming over this sim spreadsheet
My guild master is doing housing until raid week
(heroic guild, still funny)
digital elk
Not sure why you’re being a dick <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
Just a chode ignore me
Sorry
near valley
My guild master is doing housing until raid week
the true endgame if we're being honest
normal mist
True!
He's a funny guy
coral ibex
my house is level 4
near valley
His is reaching 9
omg we're twinning
ask him if he wants to get coffee or something
with me ofc
thorn thorn
ask him if he wants to get coffee or something
This is a class discord not a dating discord
near valley
This is a class discord not a dating discord
whoa there
normal mist
but u got to show me ur current mog first
I haven't played my rogue in 3+ months
balmy condor
This is a class discord not a dating discord
what
zinc frost
My guild master is doing housing until raid week
Based
balmy condor
it's not?
near valley
Well Sin ain't swinging anything with the way it's looking, so might as well get the fix elsewhere
thorn thorn
normal mist
No I mean...
Would I be legally in trouble if I said "I've been playing my GFs hunter"?
If I would, then I'm not
zinc frost
Would I be legally in trouble if I said "I've been playing my GFs hunter"?
I am telling john blizzard
normal mist
(with my first-born I decided to cancel sub until it's possible for both to play at the same time again)
And I've played way too many expansions now, so I'm giving her the lead
thorn thorn
Just become an aotc andy
balmy condor
Would I be legally in trouble if I said "I've been playing my GFs hunter"?
you've been playing me?
thorn thorn
humble verge
Would I be legally in trouble if I said "I've been playing my GFs hunter"?
Reddit
normal mist
Just become an aotc andy
We are AoC Andy's
normal mist
you've been playing me?
Yes in a cute way
normal mist
We are AoC Andy's
But I barely get 1/2 hours of play time daily now
near valley
1/2 hrs is a lot of free time when u got a newborn
normal mist
I'm not even assuming 1/2 without breaks
near valley
some would say even lucky
normal mist
Sometimes I have my single player game paused for longer than I actually played that session
pliant remnant
does Dababy cry a lot?
The rapper?
spice yew
hello i'm an assassination rogue and ive been really frustrated about the issue with energy regeneration which was already a problem and for some reason blizzard just made it worse does anyone know if this issue is going to be fixed anytime soon it's genuinely so annoying
balmy condor
the issue being....
spice yew
they nerfed energy regen really badly so ur just sitting there in combat for a few seconds waiting to get enough energy
near valley
balmy condor
yeha that's intended
near valley
once ur on heroin u forget how good life is without it
same can be said when ur flooded with energy and forget what not filling every gcd is like
pliant remnant
hello i'm an assassination rogue and ive been really frustrated about the issue ...
🔮
near valley
no such thing as parallel universe Chuck Norris
only one exists in all the multiverses
and he exists in all at the same time
pliant remnant
thorn thorn
Deep.
normal mist
does Dababy cry a lot?
Only when she needs to sleep, but she's very demanding and gets bored easily (5 months old)
near valley
Only when she needs to sleep, but she's very demanding and gets bored easily (5 ...
have you introduced her to Beyblade? Might ease the boredom
near valley
I hear that from a lot of parents tbf
maybe if it's still on the air when I'm one I will see the blue light
near valley
Low-key amazing show
wait I just realised there have been 2 shows about blue dogs that were made for infants in the last 30 yrs
strange it's happened twice
prisma laurel
https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-netflix-series-kopN26K2ThF9j7RL4K
bro help me
arctic tusk
sin bis trinekts is double passive this tier?
balmy condor
yes
stiff fern
No puzzle box? Surprising
balmy condor
puzzle box is good
gray raven
No puzzle box? Surprising
I think that had a cast time which was absolute balls
hazy sundial
Puzzle box channel time scales with haste tho. With lust you can get it down to 1s
heady drum
assa boofs where
buoyant herald
Dog ate the devs homework
heady drum
what da dog doin
balmy condor
Puzzle box channel time scales with haste tho. With lust you can get it down to ...
True, that is how that works
wild spruce
@balmy condor why does it feel like Assa with multi target Boss fight is going to do good?
balmy condor
Caustic spatter and CT is good
signal karma
How reliable are raidbots sims atm for us, doing some compare/contrast between assa and sub with my current gear
balmy condor
more reliable than they were yesterday
everything is still questionable though, not just sin
they're probably fine, but just don't go too crazy
signal karma
aight, i'm showing about a 20% differential on dungeon slice for sub and sin beating out sub with 10 targets, not sure if these are true statements but here we are
balmy condor
is that with the overrides for tuesday
signal karma
not sure what that is so probably whatever is set by default
if you mean the upcoming patches, i didn't change anything for that
signal karma
gotcha
balmy condor
cunning needle
please make sure you drink actual water whispyr
balmy condor
it's like 90% water
lucid rune
Sin rogue changes: 🥪
cunning needle
it's like 90% water
so is beer
cunning needle
wait what drama
cunning needle
nothing, just a reminder to always stay hydrated
lucid rune
Sin rogue tuning March 24 right?
balmy condor
yeah ofc
balmy condor
or?
atomic creek
jolly stirrup
This is a class discord not a dating discord
The amount of times whispyr said he wants to or did meet my mom makes me think otherwise
Ok all caught up, what a ride. Loving it here
runic hinge
sims are for live
Gm pookie
balmy condor
way more
I can handle coming home from work, eating food, and going to bed at 2:30am
waking up at 4 is demon shit
jolly stirrup
I am the exact opposite
At least I have something from my day with earlyshift
Tbf I get up at 6, not 3
runic hinge
My gfs alarm goes off at 12:30 so she can do makeup. So I am getting up much before 4
It’s kinda cursed but I love getting out of work in the middle of the day
jolly stirrup
Watdafak
What time you go to bed? 6pm?
That would be the only thing not working for me, especially in summer when its still bright as fuck and 30 degree outside
lost fable
fellas is liquid armoury a good source for trinket info? some interesting options not rly listed on wowhead guides, they seem like traps though
signal karma
hmmm i wonder what mob count will have assass being > sub next patch, with all the sub aoe nerfs alongside their st buffs
does sub have comparable prio damage in aoe or does them having to spam black powder give sin a big edge there
balmy condor
fellas is liquid armoury a good source for trinket info? some interesting option...
options like what
balmy condor
hmmm i wonder what mob count will have assass being > sub next patch, with all t...
sub has basically zero prio
it's all pad
signal karma
yeah i figured
balmy condor
those are all in the guide
lost fable
ah i was just looking at the cheat sheet trinkets mb mb
cunning needle
jokes on you I play deathstalker
if you play deathstalker, the joke is acutally on you
jolly stirrup
So in theory, we could already craft our dagger with sparks even, because its "Bis" offhand anyway and upgrade later with crests no?
balmy condor
should've crafted it last week yeh
plucky ember
....i crafted murders row bracers
jolly stirrup
should've crafted it last week yeh
Yeah well I am a bit slow in the head
balmy condor
....i crafted murders row bracers
you crafted a what now
jolly stirrup
Also i learned my first ever job in WoW, so I might be able to craft it myself
balmy condor
these things?
jolly stirrup
Do bracers also need 2 sparks?
plucky ember
these things?
yes
final star
if you play deathstalker, the joke is acutally on you
thank you for explaining the joke
cunning needle
balmy condor
yes
idk which demon compelled you to do that, but I hope it's been exorcised and you're all better, god bless
plucky ember
that or gloves
zenith tree
Well obviously...?
balmy condor
well the good news is that it's only 2 sparks
I'm looking up what the bonus actually does
seems to be a 1 in 4 chance to either heal you, deal some nature damage, deal some arcane damage, or give you a haste proc
balmy condor
it's all scripted so no clue how much damage it does
but yah this seems
kinda cooked
jolly stirrup
But the healing proc has a chance to proc alnseer, must be good
If I understand that Trinket correctly
jolly stirrup
I know
balmy condor
I see
jolly stirrup
Who we thinking will win race?
I might stop by at the location where Echo races, they are in my city
Join the watch party a bit or smth idk
zenith tree
As an American, I'm legally required to want liquid to win
runic hinge
thank you for explaining the joke
balmy condor
As an American I should root for liquid but they’ve been problematic and rude to my friends so I should root for echo but they’re problematic and rude to me so I should root for method but they’re problematic and won’t win
jolly stirrup
What's the lore behind echo being rude to you?
static glacier
balmy condor
Me and their rogue got into it during Dragonflight cause he thought I was a dumbass just saying wrong shit and the sims were bad
And their rogues were doing an entirely different opener/burst sequence which I had shown multiple times was just purely worse
But every day on stream when people asked about they were like well who’s in the race and who’s just doing sim numbers, dude sucks
And then they got to like boss 6/8 and halfway through progging the boss they quietly changed openers and never said anything again
He’s called me a dumbass a couple more times since but I haven’t really paid attention or bothered caring
Echo in general is pretty anti-tc it seems
so is liquid to be fair but mainly for tanks
balmy condor
There was a huge falling out between them and tank TC’s and some slurs were thrown around and since then liquids been basically tanking blind
Which has been a weak point
So
That kinda sucks for them but such is life
plucky ember
kinda cooked
wwell sheit. ill just have to wait another 2 weeks and make a new wrist with the right embellishment
balmy condor
Please craft a dagger man
molten harbor
I mean, I was told just a few days ago sin rogue was fine. So maybe he is not wrong?
plucky ember
im doing that this week
balmy condor
Oh true
balmy condor
I mean, I was told just a few days ago sin rogue was fine. So maybe he is not wr...
What is this in response to
frosty cedar
whisypr, what was changed over the last 10 hours or so for assa sims, bug fixes?
balmy condor
Ye
jolly stirrup
I see thanks
grim jay
And then they got to like boss 6/8 and halfway through progging the boss they qu...
wait, so top players arent always playing optimally?
balmy condor
My friends are tank TC’s and I generally prefer to not cheer for the guild that called my friends slurs
Exile is cool though
molten harbor
wait, so top players arent always playing optimally?
when theory crafting meets practical application. I like rogue, but always main lock because information isn't treated like esoteric bs.
balmy condor
We’ve talked for years
grim jay
when theory crafting meets practical application. I like rogue, but always main ...
ngl warlock always had the most unappealing infos out there
frosty cedar
when theory crafting meets practical application. I like rogue, but always main ...
what do you mean?
jaunty notch
who is in charge of balance pls
balmy condor
Warlock TC has been insanely rocky for like a decade idk
jaunty notch
I have a surprise for them
balmy condor
Elaborate
grim jay
Warlock TC has been insanely rocky for like a decade idk
I also always cringe if I hear that one guys name
it starts with a K
balmy condor
Kalamazi
balmy condor
C4 belt under my tshirt
I would suggest maybe walking it back
scarlet orbit
Warlock TC has been insanely rocky for like a decade idk
What classes have the best tc work done? Obv rogue is goated with you guys 
balmy condor
We have banned for far less
balmy condor
What classes have the best tc work done? Obv rogue is goated with you guys <:dra...
Death knight is alway solid, Aug and priest is good too
molten harbor
ngl, at least locks has a source of information. Googling anything for sin rogue just populates the guys who do catch all information. Doesn't need to be perfect, because perfect doesnt exist.
balmy condor
like paladin
Yes ofc, blizzard definitely gives a shit about us shutting down our little book club
rugged basalt
“Must be the wind”
jolly stirrup
My friends are tank TC’s and I generally prefer to not cheer for the guild that ...
Ye understandable
balmy condor
ngl, at least locks has a source of information. Googling anything for sin rogue...
Source for information being….
rugged basalt
If I have a niche question I’m usually silently searching this channel
jolly stirrup
balmy condor
If I have a niche question I’m usually silently searching this channel <:garf:13...
Yah I mean if I can answer a question, I do
Idk what he means by source
runic hinge
I got a source
zinc frost
What classes have the best tc work done? Obv rogue is goated with you guys <:dra...
Survival hunter TCs are decent and good people.
molten harbor
Even in this discord, seems like just a drama hub instead of for information. Again, was told 3-4 days ago Sin rogue was fine and im just bad.
balmy condor
There’s plenty of information everywhere
Entire channels dedicated to information in fact
rugged basalt
I’m unsure on the source thing as well because I would’ve assumed most class discords were similar, maybe some differences in the depth of information
balmy condor
They are
rugged basalt
I’m only in one other class discord because of lemix, I’ve been a rogue one trick otherwise 
balmy condor
Warlock discord is set up basically identical to ours
Some class discords have a beginner question channel
Where it’s like slow mode to hell and no discussion
molten harbor
all I can say is, looking up random information on the maybe 6 classes I have played enough to that point, rogue just seems the worst off for finding information without having to cut through a ton of noise. You can take it personally all you want, but just the experience I have had.
but I say warlock and people on the spot to throw shade?
rugged basalt
May I ask what you were looking for as an example
balmy condor
No one is taking it personally I’m just confused because it’s unclear to me what you’re missing here that you’re getting from other places
Who’s throwing shade
molten harbor
Well you a few minutes ago. That isnt even a stretch.
Seems like a point of jealousy honestly.
balmy condor
I said warlock tc has been rocky for a decade, that’s not shade
molten harbor
and then called out the warlock communicator by name
scarlet orbit
The whispyr nightfea lock incident
balmy condor
He asked for the warlock starting with k, I gave him the name
molten harbor
cuz I dont think he is the tc, he just regurgitates info. maybe im wrong on that
balmy condor
But like idk why you think I’m throwing shade, I’m friends with some of the warlock TC’s, I even helped them in shadowlands because they legit just did not have anyone doing tc work on destruction
It’s not cause they’re bad, they legit just haven’t had the manpower lmao
tame atlas
And wasn't kalamazi just more ding his own thing and not really affiliated with the lock dc?
balmy condor
It’s only natural that the quality of the sim work has historically been a little lacking when you don’t have someone working on the sims for over a year
Things rot
tame atlas
At least that's my impression
balmy condor
And wasn't kalamazi just more ding his own thing and not really affiliated with ...
Yeah think so
He’s mostly doing the content creator angle
tame atlas
He’s mostly doing the content creator angle
Yeah exactly
jolly stirrup
And to get answers to questions here, you can always ping Whispyr, he will usually respond, but if he is not pinged, messages can dissappear, because from what I have heard from other friends, we are one of the more active class discords
molten harbor
yea, he is a communicator for the class, which is why that felt so off. but also throwing accusations at an entire world first team for "slurs" right before that kinda shapes the conversation
jolly stirrup
Additionally, many others try to answer questions, me included to the best of my ability, my answer may be wrong
plucky ember
i think its pretty easy to find info about sin nowadays, with the proper wowhead docs that we have here
balmy condor
It’s… not accusations though that’s just history
jolly stirrup
yea, he is a communicator for the class, which is why that felt so off. but also...
If it happened, thats not accusations
Its facts, which we cant prove ofc, but like, why would he lie
balmy condor
Like that’s just the reason why they don’t have support from the tank theorycrafting community lmao
jolly stirrup
What would Whispyr gain
molten harbor
Can you show liquid using slurs? Just seems baseless.
jolly stirrup
raven phoenix
tame atlas
If it's said directly to someone?
plucky ember
was in the news for some time
balmy condor
I’m not going to go try and dig up deleted stream clips and random screenshots from DM’s from 6-8 years ago man this is pretty public knowledge
What does this even have to do with you struggling to find information from this discord
plucky ember
do anyone here have the emberwing feather trinket?
balmy condor
Yeah I’m using it atm
molten harbor
oh, 8 years ago. Damn, I get the hate towards some class discords.
balmy condor
What
rugged basalt
I use the feather
plucky ember
Yeah I’m using it atm
its a nice one, but how much does the debuff hurt you if you get it?
balmy condor
Idk, I don’t really pay attention to getting the debuff or not
plucky ember
trying to figure out wich one i should get to combo it with atm
rugged basalt
It has a negative?
jolly stirrup
oh, 8 years ago. Damn, I get the hate towards some class discords.
What?
balmy condor
It’s just a macro to deathmark and forget angle
plucky ember
ah good idea
rugged basalt
If this is your takeaway from that, I’m speechless
balmy condor
Echo didn’t call me slurs either fwiw
jolly stirrup
What has that to do with Ravenholdt?
balmy condor
Idk, if it’s hard to find info then I can fix it but the only feedback so far has basically just been “rogue discord bad”
And I can’t do anything with that
hasty locust
as someone who is trying out rogue for the first time since my guild couldn't find a rogue, I have not had issues finding information on rogue in Ravenholdt
balmy condor
But I guess he understands the hate towards some class discords now so we learned something
balmy condor
as someone who is trying out rogue for the first time since my guild couldn't fi...
Good to hear
runic hinge
He probably asked if energy was bad or something related to which spec was best and didnt get the answer he wanted
plucky ember
is there even a good answer for it?
rugged basalt
Well, energy is like RAM…
runic hinge
You should find the spec you enjoy playing with most
tame atlas
I think for 99% of playerbase it will always be just play what you like
plucky ember
Well, energy is like RAM…
so i can download it?
vestal wren
Well, energy is like RAM…
hella expensive?
runic hinge
and work on playing it the best you can and then you can be a goated one trick instead of another mid fotm chaser
rugged basalt
Everyone wants it, if you have it unused it’s bad, and AI is stealing it
vestal wren
i don't know
rugged basalt
balmy condor
so i can download it?
plucky ember
ncie
vestal wren
if i run a vm, and it does not take up all my ram, i don't think its bad that i have "unused ram"
jolly stirrup
Well, energy is like RAM…
Not available?
balmy condor
I was gifted a 128gb kit but it’s unstable with expo on so I had to stay at 64gb like a pleb
vestal wren
jokes aside i get what you are saying, you want to use your energy whenever possible
balmy condor
plucky ember
splash some on the daggers, make the target tippsy
raven phoenix
New Rum Ressource for Outlaw
rugged basalt
if i run a vm, and it does not take up all my ram, i don't think its bad that i ...
Wouldn’t an analogy for this be using it all on say mut
raven phoenix
Not enough Rum
rugged basalt
I was gifted a 128gb kit but it’s unstable with expo on so I had to stay at 64gb...
Is it higher than 6000 MHz
balmy condor
Is it higher than 6000 MHz
I think the kit is 6400
jolly stirrup
I was gifted a 128gb kit but it’s unstable with expo on so I had to stay at 64gb...
I learned recently, that these large kits sometimes have dummy sticks
balmy condor
8 is crazy
rugged basalt
If the older kit was 6000, try setting it to 6000 for the new kit and testing that as well
jolly stirrup
<:dracthyr_cry:1002454117349859328>
Is that one stick? Or 2×4
rugged basalt
I learned recently, that these large kits sometimes have dummy sticks
Yeah I saw articles on that. Crazy work
balmy condor
If the older kit was 6000, try setting it to 6000 for the new kit and testing th...
Well I was given the 4x32gb kit when I upgraded my mobo to ddr5
4 sticks were unstable at 6k
2 weren’t
So I’m just running 2 sticks
vestal wren
Is that one stick? Or 2×4
does not matter, my laptop is shit^^
rugged basalt
I resort to upgrading my storage bc my ram is fine 
jolly stirrup
does not matter, my laptop is shit^^
Ah Laptop gaming
jolly stirrup
Why not Desktop?
rugged basalt
I assume building not an option?
vestal wren
Why not Desktop?
i need to be portable with it, if i buy a desktop i still need a laptop, and two devices cost even more than one
jolly stirrup
I see
rugged basalt
My setup currently is umm a beefy desktop that I remote into when I’m outside
So cheap laptop works for it
jolly stirrup
My setup currently is umm a beefy desktop that I remote into when I’m outside
I wanted to suggest that
rugged basalt
It’s creative but needs decent internet
I only have my laptop for a few months though, not gonna leave my pc on unattended for several months
real pike
That was a wonderful morning scroll holy
real pike
Even in this discord, seems like just a drama hub instead of for information. Ag...
I for one bloody love the drama
Can't get enough
If I have to accidentally learn some stuff about my class as collateral, I suppose I can deal with that
runic hinge
I for one bloody love the drama
he left the discord lol
primal parrot
he left the discord lol
is this a dps increase or decrease
real pike
he left the discord lol
What a fanny
runic hinge
is this a dps increase or decrease
Probably decrease lol man couldnt find info he needed despite all 3 specs having pretty good faq's and links to the guides in them, he's gonna be even worse off now
jolly stirrup
Didn't want a class discord with personality it seems like 
jolly stirrup
What personality has this disc got would you say
I mean I also only use Assa Channel and the Pedro
And I like that this channel also has some smalltalk and shittalk
Not just class talk
real pike
Ye people actually know each other
jolly stirrup
Ye you have the same peeps in here just vibing
runic hinge
Assa is the Off topic 1.0 channel
runic hinge
this spec plays so fun in dungeons now
icy acorn
i think he meant rogue in general
jolly stirrup
It’s not that far behind sub
Even after the buffs to sub?
jolly stirrup
but also nerfed its cleave
Ah
vestal wren
and the raid has a lot of cleave
jolly stirrup
I missed that part
vestal wren
so idk
jolly stirrup
Our cleave is really good no? With Caustic and Poison bomb
primal parrot
Our cleave is really good no? With Caustic and Poison bomb
could always be better
vestal wren
does not feel like a net positive change, but opinions differ
balmy condor
they buffed sub a bit
We’ll see about that buddy, curse of ra none of the clones and residuals are buffed
vestal wren
haha
balmy condor
But maybe they forget to nerf the clones and residuals as well
balmy condor
win some and lose some
vestal wren
but agree
vestal wren
i hope clones are considered, but i have a suspicion they might not
icy acorn
gotta see how it feels after the changes go live but i feel like that aoe nerf is somewhat too big compared to the st buffs sub got
vestal wren
i played with the op classes, so my jusgment is compromised for relative balance
but sub aoe did not feel like it was outstanding to the point it required nerfs
(tho i am also a subtlety main^^, so i want subtlety to do good)
icy acorn
as soon as your dance ran out you started to fall behind quick
shell plaza
so assa and sub are pretty close considering the cleave in the raid or?
balmy condor
i hope clones are considered, but i have a suspicion they might not
Hoffnung stirbt zuletzt, unless the hope is blizzard actually doing what they said they would without fucking it up somehow, in which case Hoffnung stirbt ungefähr mittig
vestal wren
XD
icy acorn
watch them nerf assa aoe somehow too next patch
severe meadow
watch them nerf assa aoe somehow too next patch
I was convinced CT would get nerfed and we’d get a slight aura buff
balmy condor
watch them nerf assa aoe somehow too next patch
We just gotta keep finding more sim bugs to make the number go up
balmy condor
I was convinced CT would get nerfed and we’d get a slight aura buff
Hey at least the overcapping cp thing is dead now (it’s way closer than I’d like it to be)
boreal lichen
the weaker sin gets the easier it is to parse 99 just saying
icy acorn
as soon as you reach the 100k sim you get hit with the nerf hammer
night delta
Hey at least the overcapping cp thing is dead now (it’s way closer than I’d like...
did something change ?
balmy condor
Bugs gettin fixed
night delta
what was the bug ? I didn't catch it
icy acorn
Hey at least the overcapping cp thing is dead now (it’s way closer than I’d like...
just tweak the sim so its not close anymore ez
(but dont tell anyone ofc)
runic hinge
Let’s goooo
balmy condor
Spamming ct being -0.4 is still kind of insane
night delta
Caustic broke
ah ok lol, that was the thing that made spamming CT viable even on full combo ?
night delta
got it. Really didn't engage that much with that behaviour tbh
muscle memory took over whenever I hit 7 cp
runic hinge
Yeah I was just not gonna do it
night delta
I wish CT priorized non-minor mobs
like, the tiny scrub shit that spawns in droves
hate losing Idk how many bleed applications to things that'll die in 2 seconds
spending 60 energy to basically just deal the CT damage and that's pretty much it, is ass
icy acorn
this is blizzard pov
hard grail
xd
primal parrot
"ah great rogue middle of the pack, that means we dont have to change anything since they bring such fantastic utility!"
the utility in question being atrophic poison (it doesnt work on the majority of damage sources)
spice surge
the utility in question being atrophic poison (it doesnt work on the majority of...
You can downplay its strength without just lying. Most of the time it works
humble verge
Ok that language is just made up wtf
lucid rune
The only thing I see is FB ahead of DS. 💪
mild pulsar
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use 13
you can assume antrophic to work on most things.
The problem is rather the low-ish impact in general, the dr might be valuable in the wfr, but most groups after i would argue its not that relevant for
runic hinge
what are our set bonuses again?
icy acorn
doesnt atrophic just dont work on environment dmg
like a boss/add dropping bombs and they count down before exploding
vestal wren
it depends on how things are coded
if the spell is a cast from a target which atrophic is applied to, it works
spice surge
It works on things coded to come from the boss, which in raid is typically everything
But not always
jolly stirrup
what are our set bonuses again?
runic hinge
seems good
dapper halo
numbers go up without affecting playstyle
runic hinge
garrote cheap enerngy wooo
primal parrot
you can assume antrophic to work on most things.
The problem is rather the low-i...
i just go mind numbing for everything that isnt a raidboss
the castspeed slow is worth it on its own
sometimes that 0.2s is all you need
or w/e number it is
vestal wren
Mind numbing is rly good in keys too
antrophic is worth it if the group is undergeared or you push high keys
but for casual keys, its great
royal lantern
Mind numbing is rly good in keys too
its ok fuu, we all cope in different ways
vestal wren
rough hull
hey brogues, i am a little confused as i am coming back to rogue after a longer break - just checking the fatebound assa guide on wowhead and in the AOE opener it says 2x garrote into rupture into CDs - isnt there a FoK missing at this point? with fatebound i seem to only get 2 CP out of the garrotes and a 2 cp rupture to spread with crimson doesnt seem to be worth it xD
or is there something im missing?
wary light
hey brogues, i am a little confused as i am coming back to rogue after a longer ...
Yes, shrouded suffocation makes it give 2 extra combo points
rough hull
aaaah i had the raid cleave spec still... thought it might be smth like this
thanks man! sorry for the dumb question lol
jolly stirrup
And that one guy said he doesnt get information here 
glass viper
Fk me that's bad
plucky ember
he left the discord lol
on warlock earlier today
frosty cedar
plucky ember
why isnt iron wire a popular talent anymore?
normal mist
For one it doesn't spread
plucky ember
ahhh true
normal mist
With ct
plucky ember
that is too bad
wary light
why isnt iron wire a popular talent anymore?
The reality of how much more utility it gives in keys is small in reality
jolly stirrup
on warlock earlier today
I am certain that guy was just trying to get banned or smth idk
royal lantern
why isnt iron wire a popular talent anymore?
it never really was cus the cost of picking it is kinda high
and ye, now in Midnight its just giga dead when it doesnt even spread anymore
random bronze
hi guys , which addon shows bleed timers above enemy nameplate?
runic hinge
on warlock earlier today
I wonder why Assa specifically
jolly stirrup
He had the tierlist upside down
runic hinge
royal lantern
He had the tierlist upside down
average warlock player
(ok, more like average WoW Player)
hazy sundial
hey is it just me or does spreading your bleeds in aoe doesnt always work ? sometimes i have to spam the aoe spreader until it actually spreads?
lethal turtle
this is blizzard pov
monk getting updated 109.5 i think is new sim
frosty cedar
hey is it just me or does spreading your bleeds in aoe doesnt always work ? some...
might be out of range
rugged basalt
Range might be my only guess as well
frosty cedar
it has to hit both the target with the bleed and the target without the bleed in the same cast
hazy sundial
yeah usually the mobs are very close tegether and it still doesnt spread sometimes
rugged basalt
Are u able to clip it the next time u see it happen
distant plinth
Any feral rerollers?😂
subtle tundra
storm forum
thats a screenshot from a work in progress sheet that's filled with half-finished APL work, it means nothing
like, maybe some of those lines mean something but there's no good way to know which ones unless you wanna tour around every class server and bug their tc channels
the assa lines means nothing cause whispyr is sandbagging our apl/sims update until he finishes fixing everything
once he figures out how to write meld interactions into simc it's over, NElf DS Assa to the moon
runic hinge
how many times you gonna post this today
normal mist
Rage baiter trying to have fun
hard grail
how many times you gonna post this today
If you had to put a number between 1-10 for stupid scale
where would you seat yourself?
plucky ember
lol
runic hinge
2, the number of times you posted it already
hard grail
2 is very generous I think
runic hinge
engagement baiting incomplete sims is very big brain of you
lusty pagoda
yeah usually the mobs are very close tegether and it still doesnt spread sometim...
Maybe stating the obvious here but you do know it only spreads to two targets at a time, yeah? So you do have to spam crimson until every mob has them.
rugged basalt
Did they post it before? I don’t see it
normal mist
Yes
rugged basalt
oic
runic hinge
lmfao he delete the one he posted at 7 am
rugged basalt
He needs more varas training
hard grail
lil pup is malding in rogue class discord cuz hes getting cooked
hazy sundial
Maybe stating the obvious here but you do know it only spreads to two targets at...
Yes I know this thanks though
lethal turtle
242 ish
jolly stirrup
T2 enchants/gems?
tacit otter
T2 enchants/gems?
did you sim again since yesterday? if not then do so
jolly stirrup
did you sim again since yesterday? if not then do so
I simmed yesterday ye, with T1 enchants and Gems
Trying when home
240
tacit otter
Whisypr pushed some changes afaik, so ye my sim changed aswell
jolly stirrup
So I should sim latest?
lethal turtle
wtf would have changed
soft marsh
How does one even come to the conclusion of putting Sin there? (this is from 2 days ago)
jolly stirrup
How does one even come to the conclusion of putting Sin there? (this is from 2 d...
Delusion
soft marsh
It's basically just 9 minutes of him talking about meta classes (guess what class doesn't even appear in the video itself)
storm forum
To be fair, I think our damage profile is very good and we don't lose too much for cleave talents, and yeah, the game play is good (although not for everyone), so if we just need a number buff I don't think it's unreasonable to bump us up a couple tiers speculatively
wary light
How does one even come to the conclusion of putting Sin there? (this is from 2 d...
Because people that click this type of content are the type of people that click that content?
lethal turtle
I think sin def looks better in raid
drifting cloud
what is new best in this situation
lethal turtle
Than sim
wary light
I think sin def looks better in raid
It always does
hard grail
Its like the Peetko guy that made a new tier list every 16 hours during beta
lethal turtle
Tbf that guy def played a seasons worth of hours on it
soft marsh
But have y'all seen the Shee- gets shot
wary light
Its like the Peetko guy that made a new tier list every 16 hours during beta
Hey hey hey, every 2.4k score gamer in my keys SWEARS by those tier lists
storm forum
It always does
We just need one or two hard bosses with a tough p3 our CDs line up for and assa stocks go through the roof
hard grail
@wary light Kappa
lethal turtle
Did W list what was changed in simc
rugged basalt
Should I enchant since we don't have anything big on the 17th?
lethal turtle
Are you doing m0 dailies
tacit otter
Did W list what was changed in simc
i could just be talking nonsense, but i think i read something and my sim changed. so no guarantee lol
lethal turtle
Yeah mine went up like 4k
frosty cedar
bug fixes
storm forum
Should I enchant since we don't have anything big on the 17th?
I'm probably not enchanting anything except my crafted dagger until I get some hero gear
But maybe that's stingy of me
lethal turtle
Very stingy
frosty cedar
you also have delves, champion m0, champion prey to do as well from wednesday
runic hinge
To be fair, I think our damage profile is very good and we don't lose too much f...
you always think our damage profile is good