assassination

[marble wadi]

in fat pulls

[storm forum]

should we report that to mods?

thanks whispyr(?)

[balmy condor]

Report what to you

Meg

Us?

Where

[storm forum]

is was a sus link

[balmy condor]

Fight club rules maniple

[storm forum]

about warcoin or something and i didnt know if i missed a rwf joke

[balmy condor]

My phone

Jesus

[drifting cloud]

real

[balmy condor]

Autocorrect is not it today

[storm forum]

LMAO

[drifting cloud]

not sure which word there is autocorrected

[balmy condor]

Yes but not really

If you just wanna pad

Go for it

[storm forum]

im a fan of ethical prio damage

[balmy condor]

It autocorrected lanille to maniple, but idk I’ve also had a midori sour, two kamikaze’s and two peanut butter whiskeys

So

Maybe I’m cooked

[storm forum]

is peanut butter whiskey like something i can make at home? or is it like a full bottle i gotta order?

cause that sounds good

my bottle of midori from god knows how long ago is still sealed shut

i wonder if its still good

[balmy condor]

I’ve never done it

But apparently this recipe works

[storm forum]

and what kind of super glue they used to seal it

nice

i dont have almost extract

[balmy condor]

My bar has skrewball so idk

[storm forum]

[desert cove]

heya I looked through the pins & faq and didn't see a clear answer (that or I lack literacy), what's the reason that simulationcraft doesn't have assassination sims?

[balmy condor]

Cause I haven’t submitted a profile yet

[storm forum]

maybe ill just crush up some almonds

[desert cove]

oh, yeah that makes sense, I wasn't sure if sims for sin were bugged or something, I've been playing mostly sub so far

[balmy condor]

They’re kind of a WIP

Just this week we fixed caustic spatter being 17% uptime

Cause it wasn’t proccing from envenom

So like

They’re not REALLY bugged

But I’ll submit something eventually

It’s pretty low priority for me I’m gonna be honest, those fucking profiles do nothing but get scraped by clickbait YouTubers spouting the dumbest takes imaginable

[haughty flicker]

but what about my sim spreadsheet

[balmy condor]

It’s gonna go onto some streamer’s spreadsheet and people are going to open it and go

WHAT

HUH

NUMBER IS LOWER THAN OTHER NUMBER

HOW!

[visual sun]

theres even a prediction spreadsheet on the 17th tuning

😆

[balmy condor]

Yeah I bet there is

The spreadsheet brainrot

Is unreal

There’s a reason I stopped doing my own spreadsheet

It’s just not useful info to 95% of people

And the 5% that it’s useful to already know

Makes for great fodder for people trying to justify why they aren’t doing damage though

[severe meadow]

I'm expecting some classes to be shot and some very strange tuning

[balmy condor]

“No it’s not me, look how bad my spec is on this massive chart!”

[severe meadow]

Hopefully Blizzard cooked something good up but, you know

Aura buffs and nerfs

[balmy condor]

Another 5% buff let’s go

[desert cove]

yeah 100%, that's why whenever I see outlaw up there I just see it as sim bait sadly

[visual sun]

i just want to see some tears from the fotm bandwagoners if im being honest

[desert cove]

sims cannot accurately represent a whole raid fight

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean patchwerk 5min is a good sim to compare upgrades, but comparing specs to each other is nonsense

[desert cove]

I think this tier is just play sub in the fights it allows, sin where it cannot. If outlaw is actually real and not just sim bait I'll probably build an outlaw spec as well

or it could be sin all the way

we don't really know until the 17th

[visual sun]

wdym, streamers already know with their #13876 list

[desert cove]

you're so right bestie

[severe meadow]

We've already had people swap characters because they are convinced what they were playing is getting shot

Idk, I enjoy Rogue whether it's omega busted or below average

[desert cove]

so here's what I've learned from maining rogue since DF, this isn't new knowledge, but rogue always has at least one above average spec for raid

it's just a matter of playing whatever is best, it's the privilege of playing a three dps spec

[severe meadow]

I ain't playing Outlaw if it's the best

I will simply be below it

[desert cove]

and that's entirely cool for you

never let anyone take that from you king

[fringe spear]

ive decided that from s2 on im only submitting profiles directly to bloodmallet

make people work for it if they wanna see feral profile

[balmy condor]

I don’t even do that anymore I’m ngl

That stat graph on bloodmallet

Makes people go silly dumb

[fringe spear]

feral druids arent smart enough to see that there are more tabs

[barren yarrow]

but do we think assa is good, I think it is but i pool alot lol.

also guild wants me going sub for raid so yay 2 gear sets

[balmy condor]

But they play the same stats

[polar sail]

Assa and sub same stats?

[balmy condor]

Last I checked idk

You have the ability to open guides just like I do

[polar sail]

What i see is haste mastery

[barren yarrow]

vers and mastery

[cunning needle]

what if im blind and deaf

[barren yarrow]

with haste

[cunning needle]

and have no hands

[north spruce]

vers is like the lowest prio for sub wym

[barren yarrow]

wgaaaaaaa\

[north spruce]

from the wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

Guys please

Is this mastery crit and haste

Is this mastery crit and haste

Neither of the specs like crit

[north spruce]

it aint vers tho thats for sure

[balmy condor]

They like all 3 of the stats

You’ll be fucking fine

Imagine multiple gear sets because you’re so concerned about crit haste mast or maste haste crit

[north spruce]

unlrelated; whats the typical breakpoint ilvl for replacing reshi wraps

[balmy condor]

Like 240-250 on both the cloak and the boots depending on your other pieces and stats and shit

[north spruce]

i see tyvm

[desert salmon]

Whispyr, DS is better at multiple targets but it is kinda hard to optimize for vast majority people?
So if I want to go for highest dmg even mid-keys(12-16 or more), It is better practice DS too?

Or DS has more benefit on longer fight than FB so DS is more proper to high keys?

[storm forum]

whispyr please rot my brain with tier lists

can you make a ranking all rogue abilities asmr video?

[north spruce]

with impressions of their sound effects

not sure how you do adrenalin rush in asmr but i believe

[storm forum]

chugging a monster?

[north spruce]

trueeee

[balmy condor]

You play DS for prio, you play FB otherwise

[desert salmon]

ty

[haughty flicker]

important psa

the saptor salve toy from blinding vale works in combat

and has 60m duration with 10m cd

so full uptime

[limpid tree]

Thank you very important very poweful thank you

[haughty flicker]

you can combine it with researchers shadowgraft to be a blue saptor

also important to keep in mind

[onyx rock]

Is the use on gcd or can we macro it so we can prevent it from going away mid boss fight if we forgot to refresh pre pull

[haughty flicker]

ogcd

it even persists on death

[onyx rock]

Thats crazy

[haughty flicker]

its fun so blizzard is probably gonna change it

[onyx rock]

I hope it also drops in heroics. I need to farm this and play all of prog as a raptor

@haughty flicker i found another one https://www.wowhead.com/item=268717/pango-plating#comments

[haughty flicker]

huge

i know someone who will like this one better

[hardy rapids]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coral ibex]

it owns

did all my m0's as a pangolin

your daggers stick out of your claws

[haughty flicker]

i like the saptor better but the pango does go hard

theres a potatoad toy but unfortunately that one breaks on combat

potatoads arent built for that life

creatures of peace

[idle vine]

hows everyone finding assassination

[cunning needle]

by opening up the talent page, typically by pressing N

[idle vine]

67

[cunning needle]

then selecting change specialisation

[idle vine]

KEKL

[cunning needle]

hope this helps

https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-14879937

[oak ember]

Is crit/haste the overall bis now? Will it be crit/mast at higher ilvls or is that era gone?

[balmy condor]

crit/haste with mast closely behind

it's like 40/30/20

[oak ember]

ty

And one final question, what ilvl cloak replaces the wraps?

[balmy condor]

when it sims higher

so like probably 240-245ish

[normal mist]

Who did I what

[orchid pewter]

Insta replace it, ilvl makes the pp big

Fuck sims

[indigo mulch]

[fresh ingot]

I played DS since early TWW, gonna swap to Fate now that its apparently better and easier. The mark annoyed me since release lol.
Do i save up energy before triggering my 7th coin to spam more casts in the lucky coin duration or do i not care?

[balmy condor]

you do not track anything regarding the coins

[jolly stirrup]

Only thing you track is the pain when your 20 Heads streak breaks and you cry internally

[hard grail]

Who has played sin vs sub in m0's? Number wise is it a big gap vs sub?

[vestal wren]

just play what you like, m0 is fairly easy

i played subtlety, and it was a lot of fun

[hard grail]

No I know, but i mean is sin like really behind feeling?

I played sub too

[balmy condor]

sub pads much harder in m0's

[hard grail]

Figured M0 might be shitty if stuff dies too fast by the time you get garrote/rupture out on everything

[balmy condor]

burst gonna burst

but even with that making any m0 data borderline worthless, everything up until the 17th is irrelevant cause who knows what kinda tuning is going to happen

maybe assa just randomly get a 15% aura buff and sub gets nothing

never know with blizzard

[hard grail]

for sure, i played sub and feel like i can just dance/sectec/spam ss/bp and i do so much dmg and wondered is around that or not at alll

[balmy condor]

yeh

that is ✨ the pad ✨

[hard grail]

🙂

[balmy condor]

shit is dummy strong

but you also do like negative prio dam outside of sectec and coup

[hard grail]

Did you play both in m0's? Does sin feel really far behind when you do? I guessd I could go queue even though i have al ockout

also ty forv all the work you do

[vestal wren]

You overthink it

we played with some of the currently worse tuned specs in m0 and it was quick and easy

this weeks round isn't even that valuable, because your chances of upgrades are low

So just have fun

[hard grail]

yeah im already 244

[frosty cedar]

they could add some kind of bleed to crimson tempest, that would go crazy

[vestal wren]

its perfect to try our sin or outlaw, if you played sub the other week

[balmy condor]

I played sin for half and sub for half but again, it literally doesn't matter

[vestal wren]

just to get a feel of how they play in m0 (and later m+)

[balmy condor]

m0 data is completely unusable in current form

[hard grail]

You right, i should go practice in m0 as sin in case the tuning on 17th is big, not worry about rn

[balmy condor]

things just die too quick, even comparing things between each other

just doesn't make sense

you'll have all season to practice

m+ seasons in general are practice for 90% of the season

and then in the last 10% of the season during 12.0.7

you actually push

so like realisitically, what the "best spec" is in m+

is kinda unknown until 12.0.7's tuning

see you in like fucking august

[golden loom]

played assa for the first time of the expac yesterday in like 4 m0's, shits fun

damage tuning aside it felt great to play imo

[hard grail]

I have never played outlaw, how is it to learn?

[balmy condor]

by far the hardest of the 3 even if just because you need the muscle memory of pressing more buttons than the other two

but it's also more reactive/proc based

so

just takes time

sub and assa are braindead easy

outlaw is pretty easy, but you have to practice it or your fingers will just kinda tie themselves into knots

[hard grail]

i get you

for some reason i have always been like "nah" to learning it haha

[balmy condor]

most cringe thing about learning outlaw is needing a 1h

[golden loom]

crafting a dagger and then not being able to play outlaw for months

[balmy condor]

ye

[hard grail]

yeah and I made a 259 dagger so

[balmy condor]

you and every other rogue on earth

[hard grail]

wanna see how lucky i got with trinkets

hold

lol

This thing felt SO BAD. it procs in keys and then you instamove

[balmy condor]

you just debuffed yourself with the curse of ra

you're gonna log in and have zero drops from m+

[hard grail]

my M0 group of randos was like "what the fuck is this rogue"

[balmy condor]

you're pugging m0's?

[golden loom]

week 1 I got both of the set rings in 1 run, this week I got the 2nd ring again and was able to give it to the other rogue in the group for his 2 set

never gonna see those rings in m+

[light quarry]

[balmy condor]

are you being held at gunpoint

do you need help

[hard grail]

Yes, both weeks haha. I did pretty good loot wise and got decent groups

[balmy condor]

I'm doing my run later

praying for nothing

as to not anger the gods

[nova kelp]

it all gets replaced soon enough anyway

min maxing to giga boost an m0 be kinda >.>

[golden loom]

havent sent any veteran crests

[balmy condor]

yeh

I literally do not want things from m0 if it can be avoided

save my rng for m+ and raid

[golden loom]

my strategy for the 1 boss trinket is to just call dibs

[nova kelp]

especially now that you gota compete for daggers with the surv hunters

lol

[golden loom]

is the loot council gonna go against a dibs call?

[nova kelp]

you just gota do top damage AND call dibs

[red schooner]

Do survival hunters exist now?

[nova kelp]

and then you lose it to the guy that's a main raider but did no content so he's got a blue trinket

surv right now is very good yes

and theres room in melee for them with all the DH going to range

also for whatever reason they got a skill in their tree that gives them focus on melee hit, that ISN'T scaled like the outlaw shit

so they get a big buff for using daggers, so will be on that moan train

[golden loom]

well both hero talents for surv are playable, 1 wants dual wield and the other wants 2 hander

[rugged basalt]

I have to do my runs for crests

[nova kelp]

zomg gota minmax those vet crests!

[rugged basalt]

Prey…wait a sec

Number become bigger dopamine hit so good or whatever

[nova kelp]

that kind of thinking will have you rerolling dk

watch it

[rugged basalt]

I just enjoy doing dungeons my time zone is kinda fucked so I’m pugging at off hours

[red schooner]

Imagine locking yourself into one with crafts and then all of a sudden tuning hits and you gotta swap

[nova kelp]

did you say legion outlaw?

[rugged basalt]

I did make a dk

[nova kelp]

yeah me too

I'm full fotm atm

[rugged basalt]

I’m too stubborn for that

[nova kelp]

after 11k hours on the rogue, I've become a little too disdainful of our utility situation

[golden loom]

my main alt is havoc

fuck da caster spec

[nova kelp]

I think I'm maining devourer this season

[rugged basalt]

main alt

[nova kelp]

and even if I end up going back into melee, I'll probs go DicK

[red schooner]

Did they commit to the removal of aoe blind? I'm out of the loop

[golden loom]

I am so happy with havoc tho, I really liked it in s3 outside of the tier set soul pickup minigame, and they kinda just improved on all the good stuff imo

even if its gonna be "outshined" by dev

[nova kelp]

noone fucking knows, one day it's DEFINITELY not cleaving at all
then the next I tell a friend "it's def single target"
and they jump on their rogue to literally prove it's aoe

then I jump on the DH and just like... just press a button, no prep, no combo points, no concern or dps cuckery, and that whole pack just got stunned

[balmy condor]

yes

[golden loom]

as rogue I can just say "not my job" tho and thats great

[balmy condor]

it was blue posted as a bug fix that blind was still doing aoe

fixed a bug that made blind aoe type shit

[rugged basalt]

We forgot it was still good hold on 😭

[red schooner]

Ah, fair enough. I know there was the bug so I wasn't sure. I'm not keeping track of things

[nova kelp]

Kidney should be aoe

[hard grail]

Ok - reporting back as first Sin dungeon thoughts. - YOU NEED to have energy pooled for last boss of blinding vale add spawns so you can CT spam,

hahaha lesson learned

adds spawned and I have like 20 energy 🙁

not used to this "thinking about energy" from playing sub

[nova kelp]

I've had more fun doing dungeons as sin than sub

sub is just barely into the "too simple" bucket for me

[hard grail]

Ive been fully sub all of midnight and figured imma try sin for fun

[golden loom]

I like both, I mainly like that sub has perma tricks

[hard grail]

I feel like the only play of sub besides 3 buttons is the "BS/SS even when full Combo points but have 5+ ST stacks"

and using CDG first before the CP refill

rest is AFK

[hollow void]

Guys hows rogue overall, except outlaw i dont like pirates, is sub really as braindead and assa really bad as they say?

[jolly stirrup]

Its fun to play

Sure we dont do the most of damage

But mentioned earlier in here, everything doesnt matter until 17th

So play what you want and have fun

Speaking of Assa here

[hollow void]

Ye seemed fun, fuck it imma just level onne

[nova kelp]

if you enjoy it, play it

[shell plaza]

Im playing both sub and assa atm, both seem very simple and i love the different damage profiles. From the numbers perspective sub looks stronger cuz its more bursty, but since we dont know the tuning, as mentioned before - you play what you enjoy. Personally i always prefer assa

[hollow void]

I enjoy it, im not a meta slave, but i dont like it to be bottom of the dps list every dungeon because of tuning lol. But we'll see with tuning i guess

[severe meadow]

Speed shroud

[tawdry helm]

is there a guide to what our crafted items should be or are we just using those sparks to fill the gaps in our gear for time being or just holding them till raid opens then filling gaps?

[cunning needle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[hard grail]

Hey - I was reviewing the opener guide and step 6 says kingsbane, and then step 7 says mutilate to 5 or more combo points, wont you already have 5+ combo points from the kingsbane?

[shell plaza]

yes, you'll have max CP, then you envenom and continue as per the usual

[hard grail]

so between 6-7 there'd be an envenom

[shell plaza]

yes

[hard grail]

I just wanted to be sure i wasnt doin somethin wrong

ty

[jolly stirrup]

@balmy condor Ping to notify of this

[balmy condor]

Notify of what

[jolly stirrup]

The opener in ST is wrong with the new Apex

[balmy condor]

No it isn’t?

[jolly stirrup]

After KB we already are on 5+ CP

[shell plaza]

looks fine to me

[balmy condor]

Okay

So you have 5+ cp

The line says mutilate to get 5+ cp

Do you mutilate?

[jolly stirrup]

[stuck lodge]

It's "wrong" in the sense that there is an unnecessary step that is redundant I suppose.

[balmy condor]

It’s not redundant if you aren’t taking the apex

It’s required in fact

[calm grail]

Hey guys, I out dpsed a meta class in a key, does that mean we're going to get nerfed?

[shell plaza]

if you swap step 7 and 8 it would still be the same result tho

[balmy condor]

It wouldn’t be actually

[stuck lodge]

Is there a build that doesn't take the apex to that level?

[jolly stirrup]

Ok but who is not taking the Apex

[onyx rock]

It only means the fotm player was dogwater like 99% of them.

[balmy condor]

If you swapped 7 and 8 you would envenom on 3

[balmy condor]

People leveling, doing bleed build shenanigans in m0’s

[calm grail]

Forget the jank, how about the animation on the Apex eh? It's like I'm turbo prison shanking someone.

[cunning needle]

RED TEAM IS THE TOP DOG
GREEN TEAM IS THE FLOP FROG

[jolly stirrup]

Ok I didn't consider this

You can continue sleeping

[balmy condor]

Ty

[jolly stirrup]

Yw

[shell plaza]

we bothered whispyr for nothing :/ should be ashamed

[calm grail]

Whispyr, what's the season 12 meta for Diablo 4? Will warlock be as busted as Paladin?

[jolly stirrup]

I am a little... king needs his sleep

And I disturbed it

[shell plaza]

[onyx rock]

He will be glued to his phone anyways. He rarely sleeps it seems like.

[rugged basalt]

Semantics

[loud yew]

Man, I'm already missing that sweet AoE Blind with Blackjack talent

losing that utility in m+ will be significant

[storm forum]

We should get venomous Wounds energy from other classes' bleeds.

Like if we're dependent on other specs for damage and utility, we might as well be dependent on them for resources too

[warm vortex]

Ok my theory

Uber is just 8 of these little guys in a trenchcoat masquerading as a regular human

[snow kindle]

!bugs

!bug

[warm vortex]

!hug

[sweet sphinx]

hi, everyone, ive been on a break for a while so sorry if this is a dumb question. Does deathmark 100% dmg increase apply to bleeds already cast on the target, or does it only apply to bleeds applied after deathmark?

[scarlet orbit]

Already on target

[gleaming geyser]

deathmark is dynamic; it applies wether or not the bleed was already present or applied after

[balmy path]

Does anyone know if the Fatal Concoction talent applies to Kingsbane?

[warm vortex]

Proves my point

[spice spire]

Can confirm

[bleak star]

is the cringe spamming of ct over fan a thing still or did that go away

[marsh scarab]

do we spam CT ? 😮

[bleak star]

i might be miss remembering but i thought they were in beta

[marsh scarab]

Ehwk :S

[west crown]

Can anyone give me a single reason to bring rogues to keys if we aren’t top dps? Our stealth skip is even irrelevant now because mage

[barren yew]

Rogue is fun to play and you don’t need to be ultra meta to have fun and complete keys in WoW

[warm vortex]

True

[west crown]

Being fun doesn’t get me invited. The question is addressing 1 hour+ wait times that are looking to be the case

Can’t have fun if I’m not playing

[barren yew]

Push your own key

[coral ibex]

you'd get a better return on your time investment by joining a guild or attempting to network instead of solo pugging without meta fotm

you don't need a reason to bring a rogue other than needing to fill a dps slot

it is likely none of the m+ content you'll experience is difficult enough to warrant actual meta slavery

the yahoos declining rogues from vault keys are just idiots

[sweet sphinx]

thanks ❤️

[random gazelle]

Being a good player matters more than the potential of the class unless you're trying for title. The gaps in strength between classes isn't large enough for people to reject people for playing a "weaker" class or spec. If you aren't getting invited to groups just post your own keys. After you get higher than average io people will quickly invite you to groups regardless

[subtle tundra]

nobody is not inviting you cause you're a rogue btw

i can assure you

also every time i have done random keys, unless its a high key, i would top dps

and it's not cause rogue was busted nor cause im good( i am tho),its cause randoms fucking suck

[marsh scarab]

at this point i am afraid to ask. Instant or deadly poison? 😄

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck

!poisons

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[subtle tundra]

its ok

you cant know

tooltips are untrustworthy

the enemy if i may

[west crown]

Yeah but in a sea of 3k io players. Why take a rogue vs a shaman or mage for utility

[severe meadow]

I mean, playing any class and slamming solo m+ Que sounds miserable either way

“I got invited pog” and then proceed to have the most gut wrenchingly bad experience

[subtle tundra]

cause youre a thundercock

for real though at some point in my pug days i would get added on battle net

and asked to come keys

even if meta comp wasnt rogue

and the people around my rio would recognize me

[severe meadow]

Yeah just make friends, have fun and go next

[subtle tundra]

well not friends lol

it wasnt anything more than occasional key

[runic hinge]

I’ll be ur friend

[subtle tundra]

wouldnt befriend any of those mentally ill fucks

[severe meadow]

I’ll be your (boy)friend

[subtle tundra]

got 3 already

[runic hinge]

Okay

[radiant basin]

have they said if they are going to fix the cooldown manager for the apex talent

[west crown]

Losing AOE blind genuinely feel like a mistake. Why do I not get a reliable aoe stop as a rogue.

[subtle tundra]

Real

[severe meadow]

AoE kidney

[subtle tundra]

not like it had much use

[west crown]

I mean I definitely used it for large pulls and chaining cc.

[runic hinge]

They attempted to fix it once so I assume they will continue and not give up after the first try but maybe they’re quitters

[radiant basin]

👍

[coral ibex]

having it is better than not, it sucks having literally no aoe cc

[runic hinge]

I wish iron wire was spreadable

I think maybe they just can’t get it to work with new ct without it being bonkers

[whole snow]

good class

[runic hinge]

They’re in stealth…etc etc

[worn nimbus]

I did the same thing we’re cooked lol

[spice spire]

Am I one of them

[royal lantern]

i like those patchnotes cus like

blizzard removed Spiritbloom from Preservation

everyone told them its a bad idea

they remove it anyway

it goes live, its a bad idea

now they change another ability to do what Spiritbloom did, instead of adding Spiritbloom back

truly masters at work there

[coral ibex]

surely there are no guidelines that advise devs to avoid adding spells due to the midnight prune

[royal lantern]

honestly its just so funny cus like

Preservation feedback since always was "Spiritbloom is awesome, but damm EB sucks"

and then blizz removed Spiritbloom and made EB a bigger focus of the entire spec

[hearty seal]

saving this one

feel like I'll get at least a few uses out of it before Midnight ends

[fresh kelp]

i think that's the 4th time since early beta

giga value

[hard grail]

Ok ready everyone make fun of me. I HATE having to put 4 poisons on my weps. Worst thing ever.

should i stfu

[waxen oyster]

you play the poison spec

play another spec or dont talent dtb

[royal lantern]

nah, its cringe

remove the duration allready

[snow kindle]

then theyd have to remove all 1hr buff durations

[barren yew]

Then make it insta cast like the other buffs 🤣

[snow kindle]

[royal lantern]

its no buff?

its basic gameplay lol

[snow kindle]

atrophic mindnumbing

[royal lantern]

its like making BM pets a 1hour duration

[snow kindle]

our "raid buff"

[royal lantern]

plenty of raidbuffs dont need to be applied aswell

i dont see Monks or DH having to apply Mystic Touch or Chaos Brand every hour

[snow kindle]

DEBUFFS DONT COUNT.

but we are a class that applies a debuff...

[exotic hearth]

Seems like most bosses have adds, so are we generally cleave build in new raids?

[balmy path]

Does anyone know if the Fatal Concoction talent applies to Kingsbane?

[waxen oyster]

also the worst debuff

needs to be constantly reapplied

instead of hit once and forget

[warm vortex]

Is this the monthly "rogue raid buff" talk

[waxen oyster]

rogue raid buff is fake news

[warm vortex]

True

[somber sparrow]

the best raid buff we offer is not dying because we pay attention to where we stand

[worldly sail]

the rogue raid buff already exists. It's called having a rogue in your raid, every rogue player is a gigachad so they boost the team morale by existing

[warm vortex]

Both of those are untrue

but sure

Nobody is a gigachad for playing wow

[worldly sail]

ok every rogue except one

[warm vortex]

Rogues are good because you can blame them for things

[somber sparrow]

plus when there is a wipe it's fun to place the blame on a rogue. if we weren't there, the raid would fall apart because healers and tanks would take blame

[warm vortex]

EXACTLY

see?

Rogues raid buff is being able to be bullied

probably gets them off aswell so its a win win

[weary stump]

We actually have the best raid buff, serrated bone spike

The dot that tickles the enemy even if you're dead

If you bug the boss out and wait the whole lockout, it will get you the kill

[runic hinge]

tough news boss

[weary stump]

Oh yeah

[bleak star]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-breathing-fire-meme-dog-pitbull-ai-gif-2888421613419277742

[worldly dock]

Hey everyone
If I copy the wow head build it’s ok?
Are there other suggestions? Thank you

[shadow agate]

Alright blizz, hit me with them class notes I'm ready.

Blizz:

https://tenor.com/view/newgirl-nonotes-gif-7748492

[severe meadow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/chiikawa-usagi-8

[balmy condor]

The tuning notes from today are for the PTR and the 12.0.5 patch coming in like 1.5 months, not the live game.

We are still waiting on the tuning notes they’re applying for Tuesday, which supposedly will be the first huge tuning for the expansion

[humble verge]

banana

[stuck lodge]

aight

[night delta]

glad to know Sub will keep their shruiken storms for now

[humble verge]

im pretty sure youll find a lot of crafters now tbf

if you just ask in /2

[drifting cloud]

conc can be a problem

or is that only for armor?

[humble verge]

no idea

[stuck lodge]

nah I only posted in here after failing for an hour or so of asking

probs gotta wait until peak times

no worries

[humble verge]

just unlucky

[storm forum]

Do we need to standstill during puzzlebox?

[night delta]

if it's anything like before, yeah

2 seconds of the big ole do nothing

personally i'll avoid this trinket if possible

fuck that hassle

[balmy condor]

You could move with puzzle box before

[night delta]

you could ?

guess my memory is failing

nvm, listen to Whispyr

[storm forum]

Ok

I can't believe I stood still for all of df for no fucking reason

[night delta]

pretty sure that's what I did too, even if it was wrong to do it

though I think it unstealths you

which can be feelsbadman in certain situations for sure

[crude helm]

Puzzle box + deathstalker

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[storm forum]

I thought it was a font of power clone....

[night delta]

font of power oh my god that wretched thing

we extended our pull timer by 5 seconds for the font users dear god

[sinful verge]

apparently sudden demise is pretty good in m0s atm, any tried it?

[balmy condor]

Well at least the puzzle box ain’t looking like bis

[sinful verge]

by apparently, Kush suggested it

[night delta]

no longer S tier ?

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s pretty good in m0’s the same was it’s pretty good in like garbage content, you just pad like a mfer

For that purpose sure yeah

[sinful verge]

That's my current goal lmao, what points can i drop to pick it up?

[balmy condor]

No it’s still good, but it’s probably not via

[sinful verge]

i dropped dragon tempered blades for the second point in scent of blood

Not sure what else to drop

[balmy condor]

Poisoners

[sinful verge]

poisoners drive?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[sinful verge]

Okay thanks, any other changes?

[balmy condor]

Also drop fatal conc and take lethal dose, that’s just default in all m+ builds, drop amp poison for systemtic, drop the two points of rapid injection for blindside and regicide

And probably should swap to internal bleeding

But that one is kinda whatever

[sinful verge]

perfect thanks! When you say that's default in all m+ builds, i took the start point from the wowhead guide - Is it wrong that it didn't have lethal dose? or did i misread?

[torn dome]

the r3 apex talent kingsbane thing feels so good

very roguey

[royal lantern]

now if they could fix the tracking

[balmy condor]

Yeh wowhead has lethal dose, maybe you grabbed the builds really early in the expac or something

[plucky mica]

@balmy condor thank you for the wowhead guide, currently falling back in love with assass regardless of its tuning state. So it's been a useful resource to go through.
Is there a point where spreading bleeds via CT becomes counter productive? i.e. some of the silly large pulls that people do where might start to get need bleed timers running out before managing to spread to all mobs?

[lime onyx]

Puzzle isn’t looking BiS anymore? What changed?

[balmy condor]

I would personally argue it’s always counterproductive because spamming CT ends up being a pretty sizable loss in prio damage

Like if it’s a giga big pull you have to imagine you’re spending most of your time spreading to absolutely useless shit

[balmy condor]

Just sim fixes and stuff shuffling things around by 0.2% here and there

It was already basically on par with the plume

Now it’s slightly behind it

[night delta]

putting up env then kingsbaning the prio target has done fantastically mor me in big-ish pulls

the spatter goes hard with the KB hits

sometimes straight up murdering the little shit mobs

[misty holly]

Why is leech recommended now instead of avoidance?

[balmy condor]

The envenom should really make a difference

[lime onyx]

Prolly less one shots more rot

[night delta]

less big bam attacks in raid encounter design

more rot

[balmy condor]

There’s infinite more rot damage

Healing design has changed drastically

Like in Raid you’re basically permanently hovering between 50% and 80% health

[plucky mica]

Not sure if I worded my question right, potentially I didn't or maybe I did. Assuming bleeds are up, and I'm dumping CP via envenom when capped, would there be a point you'd stop using CT and instead switch to FoK to generate points? guessing maintaining the bleeds that get shorter with each GCD must have a point where its better to use the energy saved on an extra cast elsewhere?

[royal lantern]

give it 2 seasons

[misty holly]

Does our slice and dice healing talent actually work now? I think it was broken through most of TWW

[lime onyx]

So the plume isn’t gonna be available for most of the season right? If so, is emberwing now beating out puzzle box?

[balmy condor]

Oh, no

You’d only swap to fok if you couldn’t sustain CT

But that’s ludicrously large pulls like we’re talking 15-20

[coral ibex]

i was just gonna ask what the target count breakpoint on that

it has to be pretty big

[balmy condor]

Yes they fixed it in uhhhhh… season 1?

[plucky mica]

Yeah its probably just the normals im going through currently where tanks give no fluffs about pull size and take half the dungeon lol

[balmy condor]

No

[plucky mica]

so your bleeds literally are almost out whilst still spreading, so you just refresh on a target and keep spreading againm?

or cap at a certain point and just FoK/Env dump

[coral ibex]

buy a bunch of gunshoes and trade them to your teammates and just skip every pack via meddy revive in front of the boss

finish each m0 in under 10 mins

[plucky mica]

or I guess potentially m+ massive pulls where everyone has CDs at start of some dungeons? potentially 15+ mobs in some of those

[night delta]

plume will be available when Sunwell raid opens, which is just 1 week after the other ones

[balmy condor]

With current tuning CT is just stronger than fok, so if you have to energy regen to ct instead, you would

Fok is only “better” because it costs half the energy

Which usually is a bottle neck and makes it worth using

Once you get those massive pulls and you have lust and whatever

You don’t have energy problems

[plucky mica]

this is true!

so in summary its pretty much always better to spread bleeds even at the lower remaining durations as using CT anyway as a builder unless everyone has a bleed

[royal lantern]

tbf, also gotta remember that there is a good chance we get patchnotes in the next couple days that nerf CT dmg

[balmy condor]

Yes if you need to spread bleeds to stuff, you would ct

[shadow agate]

Cause we need nerfs, please no lol

[plucky mica]

yeah at this point I'm just aiming to get my rogue to 90 and some gear byt he time the tuning pass comes 🤣 went hard on my enhance shaman to start with, but made the mistake of giving rogue a try again

last raided as assass in ToT and then didnt play the xpacs after, I miss it

[royal lantern]

you realise that you can reblanace abilitys in a spec right

[shadow agate]

I was making a joke, it wasn't that serious I promise 🙂

[balmy condor]

CT does need a pretty hefty nerf

[night delta]

The energy cost is also oomph, though I doubt they'll tweak it

4 mob pulls when they happen are really bad

2 CTs to spread to 3 mobs, get a bit unlucky with no crits and energy just immediately tanks

[balmy condor]

The energy probably (hopefully) isn’t changing

But the damage on CT has gotta get obliterated

[night delta]

yeah, this gotta stay as a spreading tool, not a straight up aoe dps button

[misty holly]

Obliterate the damage, but spread it to more targets so we aren't stuck pressing low damage button so many times.

[balmy condor]

Calling it a low damage button is hilarious

Because you could remove the damage entirely and the 2 target spread alone still makes it ridiculously strong

[night delta]

true, though it means during setup our dmg will look even more awful

[balmy condor]

It’s just an insane button

[balmy condor]

That’s not really true either, most of your damage during your setup would come from envenom and after 2 casts of CT you’d already have 5 bleeds out

CT is not a meaningful breakdown of damage during that time, the issue is that it as a button press is ridiculously efficient compared to other button presses

[night delta]

guess my problem is having done too much m0 with frontloaded dps around

half the time I bleed, spread, envenom annnnnd half the pack is dead

[balmy condor]

Such is life when blizzard thinks piss content should be more piss

[night delta]

got a friend frost mage holy fuck when they have a spike ready

it's like we're pulling 80% hp mobs or something

[balmy condor]

I cannot comprehend why they decided to make m0’s weaker

Maybe my mind is just not enlightened enough

[plucky mica]

frost mage is silly currently, I do enjoy when the pull does last a bit longer though and we just climb back up the meters

[night delta]

same

[balmy condor]

Like I could’ve sworn the whole point of the m0/heroic thing was to make normals and heroics matter idk

[royal lantern]

allright, imagine yourself as a 36 year old dad with 4 jobs and 19 kids that can only play for 19 seconds a month, but you still have very strong opinions on WoW and how everything should be desinged around yourself

[balmy condor]

And now we’re stomping m0’s in fresh 90’s

[night delta]

when the kingsbane gets to last the entire duration and the whole pack isn't dead by then

[balmy condor]

For… reasons

[royal lantern]

does it make sense now?

[night delta]

glorious

[night delta]

I do not get the point of heroics existing rn

completely skippable with barely any problem

[balmy condor]

“Imagine yourself as a 36 year old”

I STILL GOT SOME YEARS AHEAD OF ME BUD TWINK DEATH ISNT HERE YET

[royal lantern]

wasnt m0 supposed to be the "equal" of lower m+ dungeons in older patches

[night delta]

gear worse than world quests

[balmy condor]

It’s really weird

[royal lantern]

TWINK DEATH IS A MINDSET

[balmy condor]

Like I do not understand what blizzards vision is for gearing anymore I’m ngl

[royal lantern]

you can be 62 and rock those programming socks

[plucky mica]

all about the programming t shirts obvs

as a almost but not quite 36 year old dad with 1 job and 2 kids and less time than I 'd like to gear

🤣

[balmy condor]

Yeah but like

Why do heroics exist

Or normals even

[night delta]

gotta have a mode for leveling

but m0s could be renamed to heroics and heroics gone

[wild basin]

m+ scares some ppl idk

[night delta]

and nothing would be lost

[haughty flicker]

there are a lot of people who dont play the game above normal/heroic dungeons

[balmy condor]

You can spin a circle in eversong, grab half an inventory of blue gear, which is arguably the more “casual” thing to do anyway for your solo content world quests and treasures and stuff

[haughty flicker]

i was one of them for a long time

[balmy condor]

And then just do m0

It’s a complete stomp

[royal lantern]

wdym fly circles

[balmy condor]

Okay but the world content gives better loot?

[royal lantern]

open ah and buy a full set of crafted greens or blues and its fine lol

costs 5k gold MAX and takes 30seconds

[balmy condor]

Yeah or that

[haughty flicker]

if we're speaking solely from a gearing perspective then sure heroics are kinda silly

should be higher than world content for sure

[old thistle]

Normal and hc should scale more with time going on

But right now it's no more than a remnant

[haughty flicker]

like normal should be world content level, then heroic a step above that

[plucky mica]

I guess they just act as stepping stones from quest gear ilvl to higher ilvls realistically? ignoring WQ stuff

[royal lantern]

idk if its a unpopular opinion, but this infantilizing of "casuals" is going in general a bit to far

[haughty flicker]

ye a lot of people arent scared of m+ they just dont want to do it

[balmy condor]

I’d argue anything under heroic raid and like +6 dungeons is silly atm, the gearing process for anything less than hero track is like 35 things overlapping that are not in any way even close to the same difficulty or time investment or coordination requirements

Like when the season launches

You’ll get champ gear

From literally everywhere

You’re going to stumble over it

Why does adventurer and veteran and champ exist

[wild basin]

i meant like i have a few people in my guild and we encourage them to try it out. like they can do it 😄

[balmy condor]

3/5 of the tracks

Are deadass insta replaceable

With zero partying

[haughty flicker]

yeah its a bit weird

[near aspen]

hows assa feeling rn? only spec for rogue i havent tried

DS really super ass to play around?

[balmy condor]

And that’s not even talking about the pvp gear issues which is just what the fuck

[haughty flicker]

its like those tracks exist solely for blizzard to have somewhere to keep us preseason

[crude helm]

PvP gear shouldn’t matter outside of rated

[balmy condor]

If you need to swap targets yes, if you don’t then you’re vibing kinda, but fatebound is great and you should play that instead

[plucky mica]

sense of progression perhaps? having the 2nd best class of an item feels better than the worst class of an item, even if they fundamentally could be the same thing?

[balmy condor]

But that’s my point, there is no sense of progression

[near aspen]

ouu fatebound fun, will give it a shot, ty!

[royal lantern]

^

the progression in wow for most players is

"get heroic gear and then slowly mythic stuff"

everything under heroic is giga ussules

[balmy condor]

If you’re leapfrogging over AT MINIMUM adventurer and veteran track directly to champ

[royal lantern]

and just gets thrown around from everything

[plucky mica]

true, but there is also unlocking heroic dungeons first technically, is sometimes an illv grind

[balmy condor]

Then like what’s the point

[plucky mica]

ilvl*

[near aspen]

also, is it full fatebound this raid tier? no bosses you DS?

[plucky mica]

might not be a long one, but cant instantly farm hc dung gear

then moving into m+ once hc geared

[balmy condor]

You can with ah blues

[royal lantern]

DS is even more dogshit then it was in TWW cus they decided to make the Mark managment even worse

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[royal lantern]

and some bosses make it borderline nplayable

paladins with bubble kekw

[balmy condor]

I mean depends on how they tune the adds I guess

But

[plucky mica]

I must admit I haven't really bought AH blues to do that skip, maybe I am silly for farming norms and WQ for heroic 🤣

[near aspen]

sickk.. well sucks but i like fatebound

ty guys

[balmy condor]

There’s probably very little to do with DS

[night delta]

I mean, you just focus the unbubbled paladin then

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean I did wq’s and rares like a retired father of 5

[night delta]

and tell your RL to piss off if they talk smack

[balmy condor]

And I was ready for m0’s and could queue heroics in 2 days

[royal lantern]

problem is when tthey bubble with your mark, the mark is just gone

[balmy condor]

Last week doing my m0 run, I got the completion achievements for 4 dungeons

Cause I hadn’t done them on any difficulty

And imo that should simply just not be allowed to happen

[night delta]

isn't there one of the three paladins that just doesn't bubble ?

but buffs instead

[balmy condor]

That is a ridiculously big failing of the difficulty progression

If I ran zero normals, 2 heroics, and then just crushed all the m0’s in 2 hours

[plucky mica]

Agreed that does not feel correct

[balmy condor]

I think the fastest way to gear atm really is just flying around and doing wq’s

It’s faster than dungeons by far

[night delta]

for me normals are "run with followers for decor" difficulty

[plucky mica]

petition to rename follower dungeons to decor dungeons

as that seems to be their only use

[night delta]

or "oh shit I didn't run the weekly quest dungeon this week it's tuesday 11:00 PM and I have work tomorrow"

[azure carbon]

Tilting players the first time through the campaign.

[balmy condor]

hey, no, that's not true

follower dungeons were useful to me during leveling

so that I didn't queue into a warlock 2 billion levels under me doing 99% of the groups damage

it's an ego boost

now, I did lose to the follower npc's on some pulls, which might have eliminated any ego boost it gave me

but that's not the point

[night delta]

I mean

they are purposefully not balanced at all

the hunter does some truly unbelievable shit

[azure carbon]

That mage mogged me pretty hard the one dungeon. 😂 Was a little worried for my raid spot.

[plucky mica]

it's a hunter, why are you surprised?

[royal lantern]

gotta use that as an excuse at work in future aswell

"it made some of that stuff bad on purpose"

[waxen oyster]

i definitely abused the AI

and got the tank killed with overpulling

multiple times

[night delta]

I imagine the idea is that they dps well enough (when they don't bug out) so that even a half-asleep 8 year old would get through the dungeon as long as they don't die

[night delta]

funny, the tank got me killed with overpulling several times

[azure carbon]

At the same time though...

The tanks lol. The tank was rough and I was using Trickster perma tricks.

[waxen oyster]

no i pulled 4 groups

onto the tank

[night delta]

in magisters terrace last stop before final boss, they looooove pulling the unnecessary pack on one side of the circle

[waxen oyster]

not the smartest idea

they all rez at once if they die though

so not the worst

[thorn thorn]

The bots get some morbillion % increased damage on adds

Cuz they always instakill boss adds

[humble verge]

anyone whos had

first boss bug in nalorakk

one of his offerings just woulndt go

[azure carbon]

I've had to go and get a 7th offering before and it worked.

[winged quail]

nah I did one follower dungeon during the campaign and it was painful, the followers do cosmetic damage only

[dapper halo]

man my dps feels so shit compared to others

[humble verge]

cuz it is

[balmy condor]

they were cranking for me idk

[night delta]

one pull the worgen hunter guy pulled something like 4 times my dps

and I do believe I wasn't slacking

[sinful verge]

@balmy condor that build feels really nice in m0 ty

[balmy condor]

np

[winged quail]

i think they might have buffed them at some point

[loud niche]

Are sims fixed yet? Can I sim and not get the most insane answers like putting on a 207 idol over vet trinks?

[balmy condor]

that doesn't sound that insane

but yeah probably idk

[loud niche]

doesn't idol procs do nothing 50% of the time, 25% of the time it's a random secondary and 25% is like 50 main? that just sounds awful, idk maybe i'm crazy

[balmy condor]

the idol of the hashey right

the wq trinket?

[loud niche]

yea

[balmy condor]

yeh the three procs are either main stat, crit, and highest secondary

which probably is also crit

should be like 200 agi and 500 crit on proc

[loud niche]

ah, i thought it has a leech/move speed/avoid proc

[balmy condor]

thats part of the highest secondary proc

[sinful verge]

what time do they normally release patch notes? if that's even something that can be answered (idk if they have a routine)

[balmy condor]

I assume probably tomorrow afternoon before the end of the work week

[sinful verge]

ah okay fair, do you think it'll be announced tomorrow even though they said the 17th?

[balmy condor]

well the tuning is happening on the 17th

they announce weekly tuning before it happens

[sinful verge]

yeah true, have to wait and see i guess

would be nice to have the info before the weekend

[balmy condor]

if it's not tomorrow it would be monday

and monday is too late

I'd be willing to put money on friday at some point

might be like 11am PST

might be 6pm

but it's definitely tomorrow

[sinful verge]

yeah fingers crossed. Why would monday be too late? is there a feedback loop that happens before the patch hits on tuesday?

[balmy condor]

no

but the day before the patch

is just insanely tight

usually for like regular tuning on tuesdays

they sometimes announce it as early as like wednesday night

[sinful verge]

Ah okay yeah makes sense. Never really paid attention to when they announce - But more interested in the notes this time round

[desert salmon]

Please

[worn nimbus]

what about ass apex talents

useless devs

[visual sun]

Implacable is not trackable you animals

[balmy condor]

they literally just added implacable last week, I'm sure fixing it is on a list

y'all gotta calm down

[vocal basalt]

Never

[balmy condor]

they didn't fix a bug tracking something that's like a 1% dps increase while there's no content that I can actually use it in

I must RAGE

this video game is UNACCEPTABLE

I cannot PLAY THE GAME LIKE THIS

[haughty flicker]

https://klipy.com/gifs/very-unacceptable-trex

[visual sun]

Wow is default ui spec tier wtf

[chilly marsh]

is there a better way to track the 80% regen buff? a addon or something?

those bars are just garbage

[balmy condor]

wait for blizzard to fix it

[chilly marsh]

=/ is there a way to make only this skill bar bigger than others?

or not possible too?

[balmy condor]

wdym only this skill bar

you can resize action bars

[chilly marsh]

but all of then right not only this skill

[balmy condor]

what skill

[severe meadow]

I assume they mean the implacable bar or w/e

[balmy condor]

what implacable bar

I'm so lost

like the buff bar?

[balmy condor]

you can resize the buff bar

[severe meadow]

[chilly marsh]

i forgot the english name of 80% energy regen

but i wanted to make only this bar 2x bigger

[balmy condor]

implacable, yes

what bar are you talking about

[chilly marsh]

the bar that track it

is there another?

im confused

i want to make the implacable only bigger

[honest needle]

is there a way to make it so better cool down manager puts a duaration on garrote and rupture ?

[chilly marsh]

i dont like those bars the icon version is way better

[balmy condor]

I didn't even know you could track it as a bar

I'm gonna be honest

[faint mural]

Lol

[balmy condor]

that thought had not occurred to me

@elfin flame all is right in the world btw

if you ever overcap combo points with CT again I will deathstalkers mark you irl

[haughty flicker]

[faint mural]

So ready for the giga buffs to bleeds / sudden demise on the 17th

[balmy condor]

why would they do that

[faint mural]

Because blizzard knows its our preferred talent choices in mythic + 🥰

[shy roost]

Ok stupid question, but what hero talent are we supposed to use for mythic? WoW head is telling me death stalker but I feel like I’m not doing any damage compared to other classes

[faint mural]

Tuning is non existent atm. Wait until the 17th

[shy roost]

Bet

[faint mural]

For the time being. Roll a Bear druid and win.

[shy roost]

LMAO

thank you for the input

[balmy condor]

he's pretty correct

also wowhead should be telling you fatebound

but yeah atm if you're not playing mage, warlock, or guardian druid

you're not doing damage

or unholy

unholy is also silly

[shy roost]

Ran one with a dh and I was like, cool I’ll just sit in my corner

[visual sun]

cant wait for my fotm rolling friend to doom like never before

legit man just looked up class tier sheet and rolled UH and bear

[spice surge]

Nah bro them simming literally 50% more than sub and assa is just weird simc bugs

[shy roost]

When I checked it told me death stalker unless they changed it again 🥴

[balmy condor]

well they is me

[spice surge]

(he is john wowhead)

[balmy condor]

and I'm pretty sure I made it fatebound like a week ago

[shy roost]

OMG

lmaooo

Mb mb

[thorn thorn]

This is a bangar emoji

[faint mural]

But if you’re a chad, you’ll run Deathstalker to min max that extra 1% dmg

[thorn thorn]

Then cry when your mark vanishes and cant reapply it because game thinks you applied it

[faint mural]

And you’ll run bleed/ sudden demise in keys, because are you really timing a key if you’re bottom dps? No.

[thorn thorn]

[faint mural]

we like pad. Lots of comfy pad

Always remember, if you have to cast envenom. The pull isn’t big enough

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

[signal karma]

quick questions if folks don't mind

1. do we still crimson tempest at max combo points if any number of mobs in an aoe pull do not have our bleeds? or do you dump with envenom now while spreading

2. is shiv for combo points at all something to worry about when you're playing fatebound and not deathstalker

[waxen oyster]

@balmy condor does haste meaningfully increase energy regen

[still glade]

You did update it to fatebound but on the cheat sheet is says deathstalker, so there might be some confusion. We are very limited.

stab, stab, kill, kill.

[thorn thorn]

:graf

[balmy condor]

1. no, envenom
2. no

[balmy condor]

kinda not really

[balmy condor]

I see

[waxen oyster]

90% sure this guy is ragebaiting

[spring moat]

!

[waxen oyster]

saying assa needs haste due to starving energy rn

[balmy condor]

oh yeah

he def is

you'd need more haste than is possible in season 1

[waxen oyster]

the haste energy regen convo be like

[tacit cloak]

Hey guys assassination rogue is a worth class to play M+, is competitive compared to other classes.?

[cunning needle]

M+ isn't out yet

[solar wyvern]

Whispyr is poisoners drive intended for m+? Seems like 5% extra damage should outweigh 1cp

Ur guide has it was jusy curious if there was sim math or its an easier for people learning spec sorta thing

[balmy condor]

the 1cp is better generally yes

[solar wyvern]

Is there a target threshhold?

Like if its always 12+ mobs like most of pit and backhalf of magisters

It felt pretty good in voidscar arena today since its pretty normal sized pack size

Ig what im asking really is how far ahead is it lmao

[balmy condor]

well I'm thinkin that maybe it's not working in sims

cause it used to be better on like 4-5

but I just simmed 10 and it did nothing

so I think this is another fucking instance of something changed somewhere

and now its broken

[solar wyvern]

Yeah even in ST with raid im a bit sussed simply because were so saturated with envenom uptime anyway. Like it feels good but idk

Rogue sims krangled everywhere it seems

[balmy condor]

there was a couple of background changes to the core of simulationcraft that krangled a lot of passive effects

we're still untangling a lot of them

[solar wyvern]

Well ive done all my weeklies and stuff, maybe ill do some dummy logging to see if i can find anything this weekend

Some blood swest and tears experience

Non of that robot devil magic

[fallow canopy]

That’s fucking testing right there. None of that pansy ass dick tugging smile for the sims bullshit. Men puke, men poop on the dummies, men deliver their new born baby on the talent screen. Fucking hard core dick in the ass game time shit. Take it to discord. Dicks get shoved in places you don’t even remember. We find rotations improvements together we celebrate together. Testing is back baby.

[balmy condor]

u know why enh never gets nerfed? cos their discord is fucking DEAD and doesnt have 5 turboautists simming every single variable every single hour of the day, THEY FLY UNDER THE RADAR meanwhile our buff gets annoucned and 5 minutes later we got a full scientific paper detailing how its a 11.959185% buff with 0% margin of error u did this to yourselves. the nerf is because of hubris.... you people were not satisfied with being a strong spec. You had to rub it in everyone's faces. You're autistic, period. HUMAN NATURE dictates that you will be jealous of your neighbour if he has more than you, so why do you RUB all those insane sims in other classes' faces? here and all over wowhead? What did you expect to happen? that shit ass warlocks would look on those numbers and be like "oh good for them"? so fucking dumb

[jolly stirrup]

I may or may not be stupid, but wouldn't the fix be to let the regen be a different "spell" that can be tracked separately from the stacking buff itself, so that when the regen is happening, the next stacking can already be displayed?

[balmy condor]

It is

[jolly stirrup]

Thats sounds like an easy thing to do. I have trust that they can do it

[opaque bolt]

I have complete faith in blizzard entertainment.

[winged gust]

doesnt sound like a good idea

[blissful spire]

[golden loom]

pen and paper testing now that is what we like to see

[wicked oak]

With Implacable maxed - does it matter if we Deathmark + Kingsbane in a specific order, or should Deathmark always become before Kingsbane now?

[balmy condor]

It should be deathmark always before kingsbane just because that’s the better way to do it

But there’s no interaction with implacable that makes you want to do that

[grim jay]

The double poison application

[wicked oak]

Deathmark each time you apply a poison you apply it twice and then Kingsbane has each strike applies lethal poison

So I was wondering if the combo matters, which it sounds like Deathmark goes first anyway, but I was curious

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t work like that

[grim jay]

I know

Just saying what he thought

[wicked oak]

^^

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s not how that works

[grim jay]

Because it certainly reads that way if you just get into it

[wicked oak]

How does it work? o:

[balmy condor]

You envenom before deathmark anyway

[balmy condor]

It’s 5 lashes, they apply your lethal poisons, that’s it

[wicked oak]

Okay! Because I've been doing stealth opener, into rupture, into deathmark - kb, and evenom. I should evenom first?

[wicked oak]

GOTCHA!

I was reading it as if it kept applying it LOL

[balmy condor]

Garrote, 5cp rupture, 5cp envenom, then dm kb

[wicked oak]

🫡 ty

[jolly stirrup]

Any reason the WoWhead opener doesnt say to Envenom before DM and KB?

[wicked oak]

Attempt 1

Rotation with env first: 1.1M```

Attempt 2
```Rotation without env first: 1.28M
Rotation with env first: 1.3M```

So far out of two, I'm consistently getting more DMG when I save envenom for after I burst. I could be doing something wrong, but that's just what my numbers are giving me.

[idle vine]

apart from being a bit undertuned, how is assassination compared to last tier in terms of fun?

in raid and m+?

[shell plaza]

its feel way better cuz the quality of life changes like FoK bleed spreading

i like it a lot

[idle vine]

are we still bugged

[shell plaza]

damage wise from what i know - no, its fine

[balmy condor]

cause I haven't put it into sims yet and I can't deal with jackasses asking why sim not guide

[jolly stirrup]

Based

[elfin flame]

does this mean no more cursed overcapping CPs and CT spam

if so big pog