you're ignoring envenom's buff
#assassination
balmy condor
you only care about the buff when you're at max stacks, because you need to drop it
rancid anvil
Ok just hitting envenom when I have the combos and energy. Thank you
hollow moss
anyone know how i can move tracked bars?
static glacier
What you’re talking about would become relevant if they reduce our energy and force us to intentionally play for envenom chains under energy constraints, as it stands we don’t care, it genuinely feels like we’ve not pooled outside of df s3 for like 4 or 5 expacs now
rugged basalt
anyone know how i can move tracked bars?
Is it not possible in edit mode?
hollow moss
it is not
rugged basalt
I’m almost certain you can move them as a whole, just not individual bars natively
hollow moss
I’m almost certain you can move them as a whole, just not individual bars native...
they dont even show up in my edit mode, is there a specific option i have to have on
hollow moss
I’m almost certain you can move them as a whole, just not individual bars native...
i figured it out, seems there was a weird interaction going on with cdm
light quarry
I heard from a trusted source that ass will get a 300% aura buff and 200% more energy regen
grim jay
strange onyx
I heard from a trusted source that ass will get a 300% aura buff and 200% more e...
You can just say my name
light quarry
You can just say my name
It was whispyr not u
strange onyx
Me and Whispyr are under the same NDA
willow mason
whats a good delve to spam run to lvl to 8?
winged quail
whats a good delve to spam run to lvl to 8?
Atal’aman with the Ritual Disrupted scenario is great for rogue, you can skip 99% of the mobs and only need to fight at the end
light quarry
whats a good delve to spam run to lvl to 8?
Silvermoon one
hearty junco
can we do 8 now?
dry mural
what build yall running for dungeons? the fatebound one?
rugged basalt
I think 8 is on season start
I was running collegiate calamity invasive glow but I didn’t know about the rogue trick
astral pine
shadowguard also comically easy to grind to 8
edgy notch
what build yall running for dungeons? the fatebound one?
I think fatebound is " easier " to play than deathmark, but deathmark seems to deeal more dmg when u track buff. Those are close btw ( tell me if wrong )
spice surge
Deathstalkers mark*, unfortunately the naming is insanely similar to Deathmark, our main cooldown
severe meadow
I also play deathmark
sullen bramble
Since the removal of some plater functionality and whispyrs setup where deathmarked mob gets coloured in a pack
I find it incredibly hard to easily track who is deathmarked in a big pack
Which is fine if i don't target swap
but sometimes i find i need to
olive whale
What’s the point of stealth if every caster in dungeons just pings me out while I’m generating no threat
real pike
am I understanding correctly we don't need to press envenom before DM>KB any more?
snow kindle
am I understanding correctly we don't need to press envenom before DM>KB any mor...
apex talents give full combo points is why I assume
hazy sundial
Does anyone know why sometimes my FoK generates only 1 CP even tho it hits 5+ targets?
real pike
apex talents give full combo points is why I assume
but didn't we want envenom active before pressing DM > KB before?
is that interaction gone?
also, how are people tracking cloak/feint/envenom durations? are you adding them to Whispyr's UI import?
snow kindle
Yea before we did want to do it. I couldnt tell you why exactly it changed
real pike
ok thanks for confirming
real pike
also, how are people tracking cloak/feint/envenom durations? are you adding them...
keen to hear what people are doing for this
vale marten
whats the sim DPS looking for assa atm?
real pike
also does the Whispyr CDM track imp garotte? not when it can be applied, but that the garotte on your target is empowered
solar wyvern
Yea before we did want to do it. I couldnt tell you why exactly it changed
Implacable strikes ramps u to 6-7 cp anyway, IG last second makes u 7, then envenom is just faster more efficient ramp
Its not like u have to build 3 times then envenom anymore
shell plaza
true and real 🤪
solar wyvern
@balmy condor is it intended in your m+ guide to run poisoners drive over inspiring strike? Seems like losing 5% damage for 1 cp in aoe is bad no?
Also whats the diff between inspiring and poisoners drive st simwise
royal lantern
i mean, you still have many moments with lower target counts and bossfights
solar wyvern
Yeah but drive would have to be a pretty monumental gain to make up the difference imo
Maybe key dependant...
Nexus and windrunner are pretty low target outside of a couple spots
But pit and magisters is like 90 healthbars on my screen
fossil sand
does this talent increase dmg to every target while DM is up or just the target that has DM
solar wyvern
Just all damage in general
sullen bramble
should i be always playing for 80 stacks of implacable? i find sometimes im capping energy
feels like sometimes less stacks is fine
royal elk
should i be always playing for 80 stacks of implacable? i find sometimes im capp...
From the Wowhead guide
sullen bramble
From the Wowhead guide
thanks, missed that
fading belfry
the gap between deathstalker and fatebound is big? in aoe and in st? cause man fatebound feels so much better
coral ibex
ds has significantly more prio damage
severe meadow
the gap between deathstalker and fatebound is big? in aoe and in st? cause man f...
Fatebound more overall
fading belfry
oh fatebound is better in overall ok nice i'll keep that for the moment
fading belfry
i can see where ur going with that 😒
severe meadow
The best Assa rogue hero talent is trickster
Go back to your hunter hole lil gup
warm vortex
Grrrr
I can’t use the excuse I’m playing rogue for heroic as I’ve now rerolled off that too
No longer an outlaw and instead a shadow priest
coral ibex
that's tough
warm vortex
Nah I chose to
We needed more ranged and not 3 outlaws
I didn’t have to change but SP is fun
real pike
We needed more ranged and not 3 outlaws
what kind of cursed ass guild has 3 outlaws
warm vortex
A cool guild
severe meadow
3 outlaws
plush oasis
I don't see it in the pins - anybody else having trouble with deathstalkers mark bugging and not applying at all anymore?
Ended up switching to fatebound because of it.
frosty cedar
I'm not sure but I do know that we hate deathstalker
frosty cedar
Fatebound makes me sound like Santa's frickin reindeer.
Lmao it does jingle perma
severe meadow
Heroic quest went live on NA
Someone said it got hot fixed out xd
Not home to see tho
bitter magnet
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spice surge
I don't see it in the pins - anybody else having trouble with deathstalkers mark...
yeah its not news, thats just how it the hero talent is
Plenty of opportunities where it bugs out and you cant apply it
pliant vessel
IMO it would be better if the hero talent worked
sullen bramble
Is the general concensus that sub>assa in AOE ? I can't hit anywhere near the numbers as assa than I can with sub right now
spice surge
IMO it would be better if the hero talent worked
For sure, but thats unfortunately not the case right now
real pike
does Whispyr's UI package show somewhere the duration of Feint/Cloak/Evasion buff?
and does it show when the Garotte on an enemy is empowered?
lethal turtle
ping him
real pike
I try to avoid pinging him it must get annoying
but I might if I haven't found the answer when he's next green
real pike
what is the B?
lethal turtle
better
severe meadow
does Whispyr's UI package show somewhere the duration of Feint/Cloak/Evasion buf...
@balmy condor
He loves being pinged, I got you
royal lantern
^
real pike
:3
lethal turtle
If you dm him photos of anything + peach monster he also loves it
severe meadow
He’s a lover for sure
real pike
My favourite monster is the mango loco one
runic hinge
My favorite monster is the next one
fresh kelp
consider it a blessing to us all
severe meadow
but fuck pvp
I mean, can’t you do it in the new funny bot mode or whatever?
latent kernel
I mean, can’t you do it in the new funny bot mode or whatever?
if you arent geared in pvp gear, the bots are terrifying lol
scarlet barn
So we don’t have anything new this week? Just waiting for m+ for next week?
royal lantern
I mean, can’t you do it in the new funny bot mode or whatever?
doesnt matter
touching any pvp at all
severe meadow
doesnt matter
The spark is also from a war mode pvp quest 
“Will be pleased to learn”
No the fuck I won’t
gray hazel
Its not even that bad
Just collect crates, or treasures, do the non PvP WQs and youll get it done in no time
likely with no PvP at all
Even more so if youre Alliance
coral ibex
can you cheese it by colluding with opposite faction guildies?
hearty junco
anyone tried ayije cdm?
haughty flicker
can you cheese it by colluding with opposite faction guildies?
the fastest way to do the quest is to ignore pvp entirely anyway
10 sparks from world quests, 5 from treasures, only 1 from any pvp kill
hearty junco
for some reason, garrote does not have a timer like rupture?
coral ibex
probably a complaint to make to the atrocityui discord
azure carbon
blizzard really has some of the dumbest fucks in the world making calls
I mean PvP in general is a great example of this.
People say M+ and raiding is bad to get into, and it is, but good god trying to PvP for the first time. 😂
coral ibex
10 sparks from world quests, 5 from treasures, only 1 from any pvp kill
so you can get the spark with 0 pvp?
real?
royal lantern
I mean PvP in general is a great example of this.
People say M+ and raiding is...
i mean, the only people that care less about PvP then 99,99999% of the playerbase is blizzard themself
im suprised that they remove pet battles but left PvP in the game, when pet battles had more though put into them
coral ibex
is there a weekly limit to sparks? what is this quest?
azure carbon
Yeah but like. The reason no one cares about PvP is because it's the just cancer new player experience ever. You get dropped in with no skill against better players - but then like - they also just have better gear than you too.
You're basically guaranteed to lose for like a month or more.
"Why does no one really like PvP?!" Like gee, I wonder why.
royal lantern
its very serious PvP
where you need to lose for hours to get the gear so you can even properly play it in the first place
very serious man
azure carbon
Lol exactly.
royal lantern
and when we had a solution for it
the "pvp players" complained about it until it was removed because they could not roflstomp random bgs
i fucking hate the wow pvp playerbase because its insane how they manage to cry so loud about any changes that would improve the mode because it means that they cant roflstomp people with gear adventages anymore
and blizz listens to them
azure carbon
I mean that solution was kind of scuffed. Kind of bs not being able to choose your stats. But even still - make it an option so the stat applications on your gear can carry over to the PvP stats but scaled... Don't get rid of the consistent PvP scaling completely.
royal lantern
I mean that solution was kind of scuffed. Kind of bs not being able to choose yo...
give people the option to bettwen a couple stat templates instead of just one
thats it
make it like GW2 and put the templates on a Neck
problem solved
azure carbon
Or that. Lol.
royal lantern
and if somebody tries to tell me "omg but i need 28% haste, you cant play frostmage in arena becase the haste template only gives you 25% haste" i will push them into a locker
azure carbon
But try to tell PvP players that the new player PvP experience is absolutely atrocious and they'll just get mad.
Be easy to push em into a locker because they don't have 28% haste, tbh. 😂
coral pivot
Well, was Legion active on PvP?
night delta
is there a weekly limit to sparks? what is this quest?
We get one spark per week
with catchup in place if you miss some
1st week we got a bonus one
night delta
thank fucking god
spice spire
We're back
haughty flicker
shy heron
is there a weekly limit to sparks? what is this quest?
Yes one per week and two per craft (4 for 2 handers)
night delta
oh shit there's a dundun emote now ?
vivid seal
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royal lantern
Well, was Legion active on PvP?
is PvP active right now?
or is it the same handfull of people that it always is
mint urchin
Yeah but like. The reason no one cares about PvP is because it's the just cancer...
I mean isn't this what the training ground is literally for?
Granted they just nerfed the honor by 50% lmao
azure carbon
To a degree. But like if you want to PvP, still sucks to have to not PvP in order to PvP.
mint urchin
Yeah I mean true, but I will say they greatly improved the entry point from TWW
azure carbon
That's fair I suppose.
I still think it's fundamentally kinda bad. But ah well.
mint urchin
I mean the toxic part ain't going anywhere for sure lol
But like gearing and addon requirements are def better
wide berry
Any PvP game will just be toxic anyways, no matter how many emotes you remove. Just comes with the territory
polar sail
Assa tier set cool
cunning needle
Any PvP game will just be toxic anyways, no matter how many emotes you remove. J...
i started to get back into pvp again for the first time since SL and it's made me such a toxic person
even in keys i never really got mad at people or flamed them in party chat because why bother
but we started to lose against bots in training grounds and i couldn't resist
something about pvp brings the worst out in people
fresh kelp
my mood and general outlook are much more positive since i embraced pve games
spice surge
Im just slaying spires, living life
fresh kelp
👀
spice surge
🥂
spice surge
mp is unbelievably fire
Ye for sure. Except when my friend got snecko eye as defect and everytime he drew more than like 5 cards with all for one the game crashed
fresh kelp
we got one of our friends in who didnt play the first game and he took snecko eye midway through act 2
what a tragedy
spice surge
fresh kelp
i had a near infinite defect build where i just used the mp card to give an ally 4 mana
good times
homie had top too
cunning needle
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wind falcon
Which is simming higher in pve content (m+ and raid) between assa and sub?
agile geode
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winged gust
how good does assassination's apex feel in mythic?
wind falcon
That doc doesnt have anything for m+ for all the specs
severe meadow
Enjoying sub actually
balmy condor
Which is simming higher in pve content (m+ and raid) between assa and sub?
sub will most likely be the big dick meter monster, outlaw slightly behind that
and then most high end players will play assassination
pulsar coral
high end players will play ass but the other two are higher on the meters? does ass have better prio?
severe meadow
high end players will play ass but the other two are higher on the meters? does...
one of the highest in the game
haughty flicker
actually whispyr is just gonna gaslight high end players into playing assa
to draw more attention to the spec
and therefore to his youtube channel
fucking content creators
gray raven
To me sin feels better as keys scale higher and big packs live longer. I’ve been doing all of EA on sub though
ember condor
Im enjoying assa too much i dont even know why
Are they going to do something about the energy stuff?
balmy condor
depends what you mean by "do something"
balmy condor
high end players will play ass but the other two are higher on the meters? does...
stupid high prio, yes
sub is powder spamming, it's full pad
balmy condor
I made that gif in like 2022 how is it still alive
ember condor
depends what you mean by "do something"
Im new to the class in general, felt like it has an insane downtime even when if you play it perfectly (not me) so i wonder if its something that needs to be looked at
balmy condor
the might tune it up slightly via the apex talent
but in general that is how the spec is designed and intended
so I wouldn't hold my breath
ember condor
if so, isn't it doomed to be the worst spec of the 3 in long term?
cunning needle
Im new to the class in general, felt like it has an insane downtime even when if...
both assi and sub (and outlaw if not in AR maybe) all have downtime in the rotation
this is normal and expected
sometimes you just chill and ponder life
balmy condor
if so, isn't it doomed to be the worst spec of the 3 in long term?
why would downtime mean it's doomed?
if anything, in the long term that would mean it's doomed to be the best
ember condor
because assa cooldowns aren't as explosive as the other 2 idk
spice surge
Dps and spec pacing aren't related
balmy condor
sorry what
ember condor
if anything, in the long term that would mean it's doomed to be the best
would be great tbh, im enjoying it so much
exotic hearth
Since I crafted dag and only have shoulder, glove, ring for 2nd embellish, I should put it on ring, right?
spice surge
Fwiw assa cooldowns are more explosive than subs during execute
balmy condor
Since I crafted dag and only have shoulder, glove, ring for 2nd embellish, I sho...
sure, if you're feeling like crafted a third item later and replacing the ring
ember condor
well if it is better then its good news for me
cunning needle
famously explosive outlaw cooldowns
what happens at 250 seconds?
balmy condor
crazy style
ember condor
constant explosion maybe xD
cunning needle
constant explosion maybe xD
100x2 = 20x10
balmy condor
what happens at 250 seconds?
preperation comes back up
ember condor
100x2 = 20x10
ahahahaha true
haughty flicker
I made that gif in like 2022 how is it still alive
more relevant than ever
exotic hearth
sure, if you're feeling like crafted a third item later and replacing the ring
I won't be able to make 2nd piece until Wed, so wanting to craft a vet piece with 2nd embellish for Tue
cunning needle
more relevant than ever
time is a circle or something
balmy condor
I won't be able to make 2nd piece until Wed, so wanting to craft a vet piece wit...
I mean yeah, you'd craft wrists though
if you're going to craft a ring, you might get like 0.3% more out of it, and then instantly replace it with your third craft and an m+ ring
crafting anything other than wrists just doesn't make much sense to me
but you do you idk
exotic hearth
Fair point. Was kinda focused in on "ring is lowest non tier slot" lmao
balmy condor
yah at this point that's kinda moot
you're probably replacing every piece of gear you have equipped right now within 1-3 days
after next weeks reset
ember condor
do you guys have any recommendation for the spell que window? 400 feels like shit
balmy condor
feels like shit how
ember condor
im pressing the same button twice because im spamming it
balmy condor
spell queue window shouldn't really make a difference unless you're playing outlaw and having to react to procs hella
weak cypress
@balmy condor yo are praying for ass buffs on the 17th or are you happy?
balmy condor
set it down to like 250 and see if it's better idk
ember condor
alright thanks
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> yo are praying for ass buffs on the 17th or are you happy?
buffs would be nice but idk what the tuning goal is because of how messy it is right now
ember condor
i was just wondering if you guys are playing it at some set number or even at 0
balmy condor
so like, idk, maybe everything needs nerfs
balmy condor
i was just wondering if you guys are playing it at some set number or even at 0
0 would be insanely troll, that's just losing dps for fun
severe meadow
sub is powder spamming, it's full pad
Powder surely wasn't 40% of my damage
balmy condor
I would never go under like 150
ember condor
good to know tyvm
balmy condor
np, you know what it actually does right
ember condor
i kinda don't tbh but i haven't had any issue before the midnight pre patch, then suddenly it started to feel like shit across all the classes so im just trying to figure it out
balmy condor
the spell queue window is a buffer, in milliseconds, where it'll queue up a button you press
so like lets say it's 250, if you press a button in that last quarter second before the next gcd, it'll automatically queue it up and send it as soon as it can
weak cypress
Wait yall playing with q on ? Is that a thing now
balmy condor
usually you'll see some weird people who don't get it saying to like lower it to your ping, which makes no sense
but the reason 0 is awful
spice surge
Wait yall playing with q on ? Is that a thing now
It's on by default
balmy condor
is because you literally eliminate the window
so even if you're full slamming your keys
weak cypress
It's on by default
wtf really
balmy condor
you're going to have delays between the gcd coming up, and you hitting the button to cast
spice surge
And it's been in the game since cata
balmy condor
wtf really
400 by default for about 15 years yes
weak cypress
Damn
Where have I been
I’m playing on 250 ping bc I’m in Asia what should I set mine as
spice surge
Scroll up
weak cypress
So 250
haughty flicker
balmy condor
are you double casting abilities you don't want to double cast
severe meadow
ember condor
For example i've suddenly started to do 3 blackout kicks back to back on windwalker since midnight pre patch, because naturally im spamming the buttons this is literally never happened before so im quite lost xD
ember condor
are you double casting abilities you don't want to double cast
exactly this
balmy condor
spellqueue is like, if you're double casting for some reason, lower it by 50-100 and see if its better
weak cypress
No and I’m also not Qing abilities either if I press 1 for mut and then 2 for garrote nothing happens I have to wait for gcd then press 2 other wise nothing
balmy condor
don't go under 150-200
spice surge
exactly this
Then gradually lower it until you dont feel that way
balmy condor
No and I’m also not Qing abilities either if I press 1 for mut and then 2 for ga...
well then if anything your spellqueue should be higher
but if you're not double casting
then don't fucking touch it lmao
weak cypress
Ima have to play around and find out what’s going on with it
balmy condor
I hate it here
haughty flicker
i love you too
ember condor
is he joking or should i stop? xD
balmy condor
it's not you
but this is like the third time I say "don't do this" and hobo has gone "man I should do something with this"
and I'm just
so fucking tired
ember condor
for assa im double casting envenom with poisoner's drive and sometimes like casting 4 crimson tempest until my energy is exhausted. I have constant 50-55 ping and i think its on 300 now i will definitely lower it and try it like that
ember condor
thanks a lot, huge info
balmy condor
np
weak cypress
but this is like the third time I say "don't do this" and hobo has gone "man I s...
You did just tell me to possibly raise it so ofc my response is ima need to check it
balmy condor
I mean maybe
but realisitically if you didn't know that it existed until now
it should be 400
and so your issue is most likely between the keyboard and the chair
it's possible with your insane ping that you would need to raise it, but it's very unlikely
weak cypress
I’ve been playing since bfa and I’ve never even heard it mentioned didn’t even know it existed and I’ve got decent parses for 250 ping
balmy condor
well yes
it's not a dps gain or loss unless you go extreme with it and set it to like 30 or 900 or something
main bobcat
balmy condor
it's literally just the responsiveness of your buttons
so idk why you're mentioning your parses
makes me think you don't really get it, and if you don't really get it, you probably shouldn't be messing with it
weak cypress
How would you ever learn if you don’t touch it
balmy condor
....by understanding what it does?
do whatever you want man idk
you have my recommendation
I'm sure you can figure it out from there
ember condor
last question, do we ever use ambush for anything in m+?
balmy condor
no
and if we would, it would be from blindside
which doesn't require a button as it replaces mutilate
cunning needle
wait i dont need ambush on sep bind anymore?
cunning needle
dunno
balmy condor
me neither
severe meadow
needed it before
wake up old man
cunning needle
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raven fiber
is sin rogue still weak ST with the M+ build?
cunning needle
balmy condor
"still weak" compared to what
last season?
or compared to like
top ST spec in m+
raven fiber
just compared to the other classes, where are we sitting ST middle of the pack ?
balmy condor
yeh our st is fine but it's nothing crazy
could probably use a buff
but we're below average in raid as well
so if they buff us for raid or even just nerf the overperformers
it probably inevitably makes the m+ st good too
desert salmon
I hope both buff sin nuff op
eager solstice
Do we have sims yet for the different rogue specs?
vapid marsh
im finding sub and assassin arnt that far apart in terms of DPS aoe wise
at least in my opinion but im not a pro at this
fresh kelp
@spice surge 
marble wadi
slay the spire so goated
north spruce
are there currently any addon workarounds for properly tracking implacable? or are we just praying blizz fixes the cdm
halcyon arch
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balmy condor
are there currently any addon workarounds for properly tracking implacable? or a...
praying
runic hinge
Do we have any faith in blizzard
red schooner
why would we?
Because I like making bad decisions
cunning needle
based
balmy condor
Do we have any faith in blizzard
ye
frosty cedar
what is bro saying
rugged basalt
Nah keep it rolling
jolly stirrup
Wrong spec
subtle tundra
🍻
normal mist
We don't do enough damage to even think about transferring threat
(for legal reasons it is a joke and I've no idea)
golden loom
why does sub and outlaw have tricks but not assa?
Its a choice node with blackjack so maybe you havent talented it
primal parrot
Its a choice node with blackjack so maybe you havent talented it
turns out im just incredibly stupid
thank u
golden loom
subtle tundra
assa players dont deserve tricks
iron swallow
i saw some sims... rogue bad
only 30k behind uh dk
subtle tundra
wait thats decent
primal parrot
give us deathmark cdr
humble verge
i do tricks on that shit
violet tusk
I just hope they dont just buff deathstalker so its alot stronger then fatebound... and go "see we do have cool and balanced rogue hero talents..."
prime hull
is it just me or this trinket is insanely overstatted
ok nevermind i misread it i thought it was 14 stacks
runic hinge
assa players dont deserve tricks
Can I have a treat instead
primal oasis
only 30k behind uh dk
Where can I find the sims for all specs compared?
Guess I shouldn't care before 17th tho
royal hazel
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rugged basalt
implacable
stable pasture
After mainhand weps, what is best to upgrade? chest/shoulders or trinks?
golden loom
Guess I shouldn't care before 17th tho
even after the 17th, comparing sims between classes and specs is usually pretty useless
frosty cedar
After mainhand weps, what is best to upgrade? chest/shoulders or trinks?
Usually weapons trinkets rings and necks tend to be good upgrade targets but sim yourself
primal oasis
even after the 17th, comparing sims between classes and specs is usually pretty ...
Why? It's a good indicator for boss dmg at least
distant helm
If you looked at the sheet from manaforge and then saw what was actually played
You would be in for a surprise
golden loom
Why? It's a good indicator for boss dmg at least
cause raid fights (unless its fractilus) arent 5 min patchwerk target dummies
distant helm
A sheet based off numbers might be even worse for m+
golden loom
yeah was gonna say 
distant helm
We know whats somewhat good from beta for m+ but theres still 2 tuning patches before that
So youre pretty much just guessing
primal oasis
When I sim ST in a m+ build that's usually close to the dmg I'm actually doing on a boss in a m+ dungeon
And if it's not then I know I'm probably missplaying somehow
golden loom
do you sim it without buffs/no lust etc?
primal oasis
Only lust
golden loom
cause I can imagine simming full buffs everything 5min patchwerk and then going into m+ having a 2 min boss where you come in without cds would be pretty different 😄
primal oasis
Since lust is used for a lot of the boss fights anyway
Sometimes I sim without lust as well. But in the past it barely mattered for rogue
stable pasture
Usually weapons trinkets rings and necks tend to be good upgrade targets but sim...
Is it possible to sim like in topgear, this item at 250 is better than this item? but not have both equipped simultaneously? Like how the GreatVault sim works?
frosty cedar
you can add items to a top gear sim near the top of the UI where you can select your gear. You should be able to add whichever item at whichever ilvl. I suppose you could run a sim with one equipped and one without, or have them both in the same slot and highlight both of them only in that slot, so it Sims them against each other
ocean shell
Is there any point in tracking the coin outcome as FB? I'm guessing no but wanted some confirmation
analog field
nope never was
nocturne quail
nope never was
the dopamine from 42 heads in a row says otherwise
keen plaza
Should we create the dagger already?
primal parrot
we looking to make a darkmoon deck next week to go with the dagger?
latent kernel
Should we create the dagger already?
yes
its huge upgrade and you can just recraft
rugged basalt
I did dagger since I’m not switching spec too
rare stone
I’m just holding to see if we get an embellishment tuning as well
rugged basalt
I would get to change that when I recraft with higher crests, right
rare stone
yeah but lets say row walkers becomes best, then you wont be able to create the two piece because you used sparks on dag
rare stone
I mean if you just get some vet daggers for now you're cruising
hard mode hunts good for that
rugged basalt
I will have to world tour till I get them all, my preys were super unlucky 
keen plaza
its huge upgrade and you can just recraft
What stasts should I use?
normal mist
Probably CRIT haste
sacred oyster
at current levels haste has higher prio than crit, but thatll prob change as we near higher tier gears
sin being weaker on lower keys due to mobs dieing faster, gonna get better overall gains in ST, im demolishing charts on ST currently.
but even aoe packs on good pulls with clean setup can hit 150k with CD
hazy sundial
What has changed?
storm forum
I'll test it more later, but last night I realized that gar out of NElf meld gives +2 combo points from SS, but not the CD reset. Idk if the damage bonus is there or not though. Just wanted to post it here cause I didn't remember seeing it documented anywhere.
spice surge
I'll test it more later, but last night I realized that gar out of NElf meld giv...
If it doesnt give improved garrote it doesnt get the damage
Its just +2cp from SS
SS isnt +20% dmg from stealth, its always active
desert salmon
Eleem do you overwrite garrote when improved garrote has reached pandemic or you just wait until expires
storm forum
Assuming there's no damage bonus, this is going to be the most random tech for getting to DN from 4cp
spice surge
You generally want the improved garrotes to expire yes
desert salmon
ty
eternal sandal
am i just bad or is assa misserable in dungeon?
plush umbra
m0 is not a good representation of how a spec will play in dungeons, stuff tends to die quite fast
and assassination suffers a bit from that
eternal sandal
i just constantly feel like i never have energy to play the game T_T
plush umbra
but no way to accurately answer your question because for all we know, you may have done them without having poisons applied or something
that's expected
assassination doesn't have energy to spam buttons the entire time, that's how the spec is supposed to work
eternal sandal
i mean i mained assa for the last 3 seasons so i imagine im not a total potato
plush umbra
energy regen from bleeds is much lower compared to previous seasons
so if you're used to having infinite energy in aoe, that's no longer true
eternal sandal
ye
feels so bad now with how you play around crimson cause if you dont spam it you dont get a good prolif going and idk, i feel like what i heard about assa is more true now than last expansion
distant reef
How is Assa in ST nowadays? Is a good spec for switching targets now?
In raids, is it better to play sub or outlaw?
storm forum
I'll test it more later, but last night I realized that gar out of NElf meld giv...
yeah meld applies the extra combo points from Shrouded Suffocation and DR/Silence from Iron Wire but not the extra damage and CD reset of Improved Garrote
gray horizon
am i just bad or is assa misserable in dungeon?
It feels awful unless there's like 10 targets
sick scarab
!ui
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.
For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:
royal lantern
i mean i mained assa for the last 3 seasons so i imagine im not a total potato
well, its m0, stuff just dies way to fast for dot stuff to do dmg, and most of assa aoe dmg rn is dots
gray horizon
Our energy regen rate is absolutely killer so far. Even just spreading your bleeds uses up all your energy and then you just..... stand there
sacred oyster
the problem is worrying about it so much. its ok to have a few seconds of not pushing a button. your bleeds are still doing damage.
sacred oyster
if your damage is fine, its ok that you have some downtime on actions
gray horizon
I mean that's boring though
sacred oyster
then play another spec or class. but you know sometimes things require a few seconds of not doing dmg
royal lantern
man, look at the apex talent, its literally the intend lol
sacred oyster
you are doing damage still, its just not requiring a button push
you can continue to spam even w/o energy if you need the button pressing
royal lantern
like idk man
its a spec where the apex talent literally says "when your envenom buff drops, AKA when you cant use abilitys anymore or chose not to do it, something happens"
gray horizon
Just because it's intended doesn't mean it's enjoyable
royal lantern
and just because you dont think its enjoyable doesnt mean its bad
gray horizon
true
I've been playing sin since wotlk though and I gotta say this is the most boring it has felt in a long time
royal lantern
but its literally the same apm as it was in tww
and tww assa was one of its fastest versions ever
sacred oyster
reprio your focus to doing as much dmg you can and top dps charts
and providing utility to the group
gray horizon
oh trust me i am the kick lord in these 0's
maybe it'll feel better in season, who knows
subtle tundra
but its literally the same apm as it was in tww
buddy can they buff energy in aoe?
sacred oyster
the energy isnt gonna change unless they change balance, but if they do go back to inf energy, dmg will be nerfed to accomodate it
gray horizon
I do love the updated Kingsbane though, it's like our own lil mini killing spree except it doesn't suck
eternal sandal
lol
royal lantern
YOU DIDNT KISS ME LAST NIGHT OK
sacred oyster
you responded to tryan
royal lantern
THATS THE PUNISHMENT VARAS
subtle tundra
SORRY BABE. IF IT UPSET YOU, PLEASE TELL ME
COMMUNICATION IS KEY
em
what i meant is, meow
latent kernel
Honestly the energy will only get better because as your crit gets higher, you need less FOK and CT to be able to chain envenoms
Same in ST with mutilate
gray horizon
he's talking about the increased CP from crits
sacred oyster
yeah the main starvation comes from the burst CT
gray horizon
i think
sacred oyster
yeah, and DS will also help energy a lil bit with crit too
sacred oyster
dashing scoundrel i mean, i realized DS could be misinterpreted as death stalker lol
subtle tundra
ct spam until eveything bleeds?
sacred oyster
yes
subtle tundra
and then spend?
sacred oyster
ignore dumping CP until all is spread
latent kernel
I mean sure but that’s why tea exists lol
sacred oyster
and hold DM/KB until all bleeding too
subtle tundra
except tea is auto used and you cant hold it
so you have 0 uses all the time
buddy
ermm back to sub
no cdr shenanigans on sub makes it so good
royal lantern
sub so much fucking better
i love sub getting turned into a spec that is more braindead then ret paladin 
sacred oyster
but of course on m0 when stuffs dieing fast your not gonna prob get the full impact of DM though
subtle tundra
sure but that can be changed
latent kernel
It’s really not as bad as you’re dooming it out to be, like the downtime is never more than like 1.5s lol
subtle tundra
1.5s gcds sounds bad
primal parrot
assa st is ass tho
subtle tundra
but im not sure...
sacred oyster
assa st is ass tho
im topping all DPS charts on ST atm by significant margins.
latent kernel
Yeah sin single target is very good lol
sacred oyster
like 2nd place is 66% of me
latent kernel
Like I’ve been popping
royal lantern
assa st is ass tho
isnt that just a normal number issue
and like, numbers are a meme anyway rn lol, guardian druid does more dmg then 80% of dps specs rn
subtle tundra
i love sub getting turned into a spec that is more braindead then ret paladin <:...
changing the philosophy on shadow dance and sec tech cdr made it a much better spec with much more liberty
astral pine
changing the philosophy on shadow dance and sec tech cdr made it a much better s...
5/10 ragebait
subtle tundra
isnt that just a normal number issue
and like, numbers are a meme anyway rn lol...
its also a talent tree issue(or was before)
rugged basalt
I have to compete with bear in dmg charts
latent kernel
You also have to consider that right now most tanks in m0 (in my experience) are capping pulls at like 7 mobs max
In giga pulls our spec owns lol
sacred oyster
You also have to consider that right now most tanks in m0 (in my experience) are...
ah the joys of having a full premade group with experienced tank lol.
rugged basalt
It’s more doomer than bait
royal lantern
I have to compete with bear in dmg charts
almost everyone does 
latent kernel
ah the joys of having a full premade group with experienced tank lol.
Pug life is for me man
I would play with guildies but been joining leather stacks
subtle tundra
thats cringe
leather stacks do almost nothing week 1
grow up
play with your guild
sacred oyster
well i guess we was pugging healers last night as our primary healer decided to do lock first and hes crying about that now lol, and man we had a series of toxic healers last night
subtle tundra
idk what to tell you
rugged basalt
Can you bait better it’s getting worse
rugged basalt
Okay that’s better
latent kernel
Kinda absurd to be so condescending about what a stranger is doing lol
subtle tundra
minmaxing m0 loot when the loot is irrelevant and when the minmax is instantly worth nothing in 2 weeks
crazy to read
latent kernel
Once again, just condescending for no reason towards how other people play the game which has 0 effect on you lol
subtle tundra
will you do your 1.6k pvp rating when pvp opens on hc week?
royal lantern
Kinda absurd to be so condescending about what a stranger is doing lol
varas is trolling
subtle tundra
to get your catalyst
latent kernel
He’s gotta be a ret paladin main that heard sub is easy now
fallow canopy
He's just a silly guy that meows
rugged basalt
They seem more invested than the person min maxing 
subtle tundra
i mean
royal lantern
and just jumps in and trolls a bit now
rugged basalt
Game is game nothing matters at any given point
subtle tundra
and im just being straight forward
royal lantern
i mean yeha, m0 minmaxing is kinda dumb
but also, who gives a fuck what somebody else does
latent kernel
I mean if you want to extrapolate your logic, the entire season means nothing because the next one is just going to come out
So why even play
sacred oyster
i mean yeha, m0 minmaxing is kinda dumb
dont look at it as min maxing m0, its getting ready for key pushing lol
rugged basalt
I want all vet gear because the margin of error is me, I am the margin of error
flint tusk
what on earth has blizzard done to their game? minimap just keeps breaking
royal lantern
I mean if you want to extrapolate your logic, the entire season means nothing be...
nohing matters, heat death of the universe arrives at some point, our legacy will be forgotten
latent kernel
nohing matters, heat death of the universe arrives at some point, our legacy wil...
Type of logic bro is trying to use, probably why he quit playing
sacred oyster
this is my first expac release played (i hadnt played for 15+ years....), will mythics still be raid locked on season start or is that only for pre season
royal lantern
you mean mythic raid?
rugged basalt
nohing matters, heat death of the universe arrives at some point, our legacy wil...
Come break me down, bury me, bury me…
royal lantern
iirc m0 will be daily lockout
which is weird when m+ exists
but i dont understand many things blizz does
rugged basalt
Yes when the season starts. And it’ll be champ 1/6
sacred oyster
its weekly atm, is what im asking about
so itll go to daily lockout on season start?
subtle tundra
if youre a rogue main and dont have a hunter to play cause rogue will be unplayable, youre trolling
rugged basalt
I thought it did that in tww as well
sacred oyster
i wasnt here for previous expacs, i only played end of tww where nothing was locked and you could grind it as much as you wanted
primal parrot
assa kinda ass in general ngl
drifting cloud
so itll go to daily lockout on season start?
they changed it twice last xpac I dont even remember which id the current iteration
rugged basalt
I’m an amnesiac at best, I recall it being both ways for some reason
royal lantern
i wasnt here for previous expacs, i only played end of tww where nothing was loc...
m+ has no lockout at all
drifting cloud
but m0 are basically irrelevant as soon as m+ opens
royal lantern
which again, makes them giving m0 any lockout at all kinda weird
but blizz gonna blizz i gues
drifting cloud
Other than collectablr farming
sacred oyster
m+ has no lockout at all
ah ok so that lockout is unique to m0 and wont be a thing at m+?
rugged basalt
Yes
royal lantern
ye
sacred oyster
and we can grind for gear as hard as we can during the week
rugged basalt
m+ won’t have lockouts since key levels change and so will gear
sacred oyster
how long does the crest caps usually last?
royal lantern
halfway into the season?
rugged basalt
At least based on tww
sacred oyster
and does anyone know how the crestless upgrades work for trinkets. my buddies was able to upgrade their 2nd trinket for free once upgrading first, but mine was trying to charge me crests still.
rugged basalt
Sounds like they maxed out two trinkets
royal lantern
for "dual slots" like trinkets/rings/both weapons on dualwielders, you need both slots upgraded for the discount
example with made up numbers
you have a 295 and a 300 trinket, that means you have the discount up to 295
sacred oyster
ah, i thought youd only have to do one slot then it marks the trinket slot as maxed and you can do the 2nd one. thats what it sounded like they thought the expeirence was, but maybe they didnt realize they upgraded both
exotic hearth
You should still be able to do the work around of swapping which slot it's in, no?
coral ibex
no
nimble tartan
trade it
echo falcon
Hey guys, sorry if this is answered somewhere and I'm not seeing it. For enchants on weapons, the guides say to use Berserker's rage but the guides also say to sim my character and the sim is saying that Acuity gives the most DPS. So, which do I use?
balmy condor
you use acuity
runic hinge
i should read the guide
warm vortex
you use acuity
Really said "Uhm, acuity"
tepid berry
"Mist" has arrived! Hello my fellow shadow stalkers/Rowrats!
sacred oyster
this is not on any trinket lists, any good at All?
That trinket list is incomplete, always just Sim
That trinket looks really nice hope you kept it
dapper halo
traded it away
sacred oyster
Sucks hope you got something good in return lol, or has really good trinkets already
weary stump
You will be blessed by a divinely abundant boon
dapper halo
social justice forced me to trade it away
radiant otter
it's not on the trinket list because you won't be able to get it during the season since it's from murder row
the prey one is similar but sims better
dapper halo
im doing something wrong, my aoe dps sucks big time in mythics 
wide berry
so itll go to daily lockout on season start?
M0 weekly rn, will go daily on season start. M+ starts week after season starts, which makes 0 irrelevant as others have said
Season starts next reset
balmy condor
That trinket list is incomplete, always just Sim
it's not a seasonal trinket, so no list is including it
non-seasonal drops get replaced basically instantly
small warren
is there any related update on impecable buff this reset?
balmy condor
not unless you have secret contacts at blizzard that told you about it
it's wednesday
weary stump
small warren
unfortunately not :(
severe meadow
been 90 lil bro
maiden wave
Based on the wowhead guide, we are supposed to spam Crimson Tempest to spread bleeds after Kingsbane even though we will be at full combo points from Kingsbane/our apex talents. Is that correct?
for the aoe opener
slate scarab
I'm not a cutting edge rogue by any means, but me and my guild usually finish the raid on heroic difficulty in time for the Ahead of the Curve achievement (just for a frame of reference on difficulty)
I've read the dagger to have made is the regular one and then embellished with the stat buff. I think the Fish Hook one sounds really cool though and I wanted to try that out.
I know it will be a damage loss (otherwise the fish hook would be the one suggested in the guide!), but is it a really low difference? If it's 1% or less overall DPS I can live with that. I'm not sure how to sim it before I get the gear to test it, so asking advice here from the guys who know. Thanks.
coral ibex
in very large target count pulls yes but otherwise i believe you should be finishing with envenom at 5+ while you spread bleeds
severe meadow
I'm not a cutting edge rogue by any means, but me and my guild usually finish th...
Fishhook is really bad
maiden wave
okay thanks
coral ibex
I'm not a cutting edge rogue by any means, but me and my guild usually finish th...
dont take this the wrong way, but you could equip anything for aotc
if you want to craft it, its your account
nobody can stop you
balmy condor
problem with fish hook is that it's a single target effect that's like -0.3% in single target
compared to effects that give raw stats
which would obviously give aoe damage as well
weary stump
Fishhook is really bad
Still mad it doesn't have a murlocs and fish damage bonus for meme flavor
severe meadow
But yeah you can use whatever for AOTC gaming
weary stump
Or like +1 fishing skill
severe meadow
1% dps won’t make or break you
slate scarab
OK, thanks for the feedback. I know its just a game and I can do anything for fun, but I don't want to intentionally hamper my DPS too much, that feels rude to the rest of my team.
I wish they at least made the fishook better for single target dps, at least then I'd have SOME reason to get it. Bummer, but really appreciate the quick feedback. Thanks!
balmy condor
also just for the record
cause a lot of people go "fish hook so cool"
the bleed doesn't have any interactions with assassination
item effects never do
it's just a flat added damage thing that's standalone
coral ibex
item effects never do
unless they do, like the bunkjunker trinket that got amped by LD
royal lantern
balmy condor
what do you want me to say
balmy condor
batman couldn't beat that outta me
slate scarab
On another note, wow do I love the new crimson tempest design. Doing dungeons has been a blast for me, the tab targeting has been reduced immensely. I don't know about the overall Sin power level, but the fun factor has gone way up for me. Love it!
royal lantern
<:shrugEg:984124725557084180> what do you want me to say
that you are proud?
weary stump
batman couldn't beat that outta me
But could he peg it 
stuck lodge
<a:deskchan:813610980747378716>
wild moon sub appears
runic hinge
On another note, wow do I love the new crimson tempest design. Doing dungeons ha...
Hell yeah based as fuck
severe meadow
unless they do, like the bunkjunker trinket that got amped by LD
Low key had fun doing that
dapper halo
sudden demise is better for this week mythics, everything dies so fast
severe meadow
sudden demise is better for this week mythics, everything dies so fast
Sub burst goes crazy but it’s a ton of pad
40% black powder
severe meadow
I burst over 200k at times
royal lantern
I need to try outlaw <:4984tired:1272749613300060260>
vale shore
runic hinge
I kinda wanna try it because why not but I just don’t because why should I
severe meadow
https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162...
Bored with our nothing burger week
Two weeks of m0 is super fun and all
tepid berry
nimble tartan
play sub ❤️
royal lantern
play other games
royal lantern
mfw a frontloaded burst spec does frontloaded burst dmg in conten where stuff dies in 3 seconds
nimble tartan
POG
thorn thorn
I need to try outlaw <:4984tired:1272749613300060260>
Heresy
spiral warren
<:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
Teammates doin AA? 🥶
severe meadow
mfw a frontloaded burst spec does frontloaded burst dmg in conten where stuff di...
That’s why it’s fun for the moment
waxen pagoda
I dont know what im doing wrong but I'm most of the dungeon out of energy and I do shit dps...
coral ibex
being out of energy is normal
thorn thorn
!design
coral ibex
you dont have infinite energy in aoe anymore
thorn thorn
MOROES
waxen pagoda
being out of energy is normal
what Im supposed to do when out of energy?Xd
waxen pagoda
I played assa in dragonflight and it didnt happen
thorn thorn
Energy gain for sin across the board was cut pretty heavily from talent effects
waxen pagoda
2 expansions ago
i feel like it was yerterday....
thorn thorn
Venomous wounds giga nerfed
balmy condor
also it very much did happen in dragonflight
waxen pagoda
idk, Im always close to tank at dps
balmy condor
preseason tuning is very fucked right now
tanks are doing more than most dps specs
so right now at least, saying you're close to tanks in dps is actually pretty good
thorn thorn
Prot paladin and blood doing more dps in dungeons than half the roster
balmy condor
probably above average 
royal lantern
idk, Im always close to tank at dps
if you are doing dmg that is close to a guardian druid, you would be in nerf worthy range
waxen pagoda
so right now at least, saying you're close to tanks in dps is actually pretty go...
hm... meanwhile my unholy&demonology premades are at the sky
royal lantern
royal lantern
hm... meanwhile my unholy&demonology premades are at the sky
OH WOW
2 OF THE OVERTUNED SPECS
balmy condor
hm... meanwhile my unholy&demonology premades are at the sky
only the two strongest specs in the game? what a surprise
thorn thorn
hm... meanwhile my unholy&demonology premades are at the sky
Congrats you found the 2 dps doing better than tanks rn
balmy condor
I mean, you are
thorn thorn
This is likely the worst preseason tuning the game has ever seen
waxen pagoda
it is... frustrating
royal lantern
its not even season yet, and balance is a total shitshow
balmy condor
you're not playing the very obviously overtuned specs
waxen pagoda
I only play DoTers...
royal lantern
you're not playing the very obviously overtuned specs
red schooner
Waiting to see some silly aura buffs/nerfs on the 17th
coral ibex
i did z-dam last week and then i crafted a dagger and i topped details in my m0's yesterday
its all made up
royal lantern
Waiting to see some silly aura buffs/nerfs on the 17th
cant wait for the "all dmg reduced by 15%" and "all dmg increased by 9%" patchnotes
and i like how they "reset" aura buffs every expansion, then do nothing really and just add aura buffs again
balmy condor
Waiting to see some silly aura buffs/nerfs on the 17th
it's either going to be a massacre that could've been seen coming from a mile away, or blizzard has been asleep at the wheel for the last 3 weeks and the tuning is going to be a disaster that will need another 6 passes to get to reasonable levels
red schooner
cant wait for the "all dmg reduced by 15%" and "all dmg increased by 9%" patchno...
I'm not even playing I'm just watching from afar. My guild are still doing splits
royal lantern
it's either going to be a massacre that could've been seen coming from a mile aw...
its gonna be a mix of both
polar sail
What should i craft first?
coral ibex
dagger
balmy condor
What should i craft first?
polar sail
Stat
coral ibex
polar sail
Ty all
coral ibex
best stats are all stats
prime hull
yeah after looking at the raid bosses and how often you need to swap off and burst down adds there is no way assa is played over sub even if it was equally tuned 
prime hull
raid is built for sub, sectech is all you need to destroy a target swap
balmy condor
the wowhead guide writer literally does not use a missive
money save early in season
coral ibex
me when i save 1000g on a missive and still spend 25000g on an enchant week 1
balmy condor
shut up
coral ibex
uwu
royal lantern
yeah after looking at the raid bosses and how often you need to swap off and bur...
mate, 2 things
first, assa literally needs a single gcd to target swap now lol
and second, you mean like always, where people make a big drama out of adds and after week 3 they dont matter anymore because they explode from passive cleave dmg?
dusk sun
for assas, are we doign finishers at 5 or more cp? or only 6/7?
frosty cedar
5+
dusk sun
gracias
ocean garden
!implacable
frosty cedar
send it till 80 then let it drop my goat
dusk sun
implacable seems annoying to track with default blizz stuff
it gets confused with overlaps
severe meadow
implacable seems annoying to track with default blizz stuff
Probably because it breaks
We wait patiently for a fix
faint mural
Assa s tier yet?
waxen oyster
Assa s tier yet?
s tier bench
faint mural
Stier bench warmer is a new one lmfao!!
waxen oyster
I mean why are we pretending
guardian druid doesnt make 75% of the dps specs irrelevant rn
faint mural
Was just funny haha
waxen oyster
ik its just tierlisting rn is so dumb since
by that logic almost no dps spec is worth with bear tuning
faint mural
Yeah for sure. Everything is up in the air now more so than any recent pre-patch.
frosty cedar
truth nuke coming on 17th
civic trellis
mad bc dogshit dmg
wait for 17th tuning
still mad bc still dogshit, but at least barely over tank(hopefully, its rogue after all)
jaunty notch
do we craft dagger with embelish or the other ?
balmy condor
do we craft dagger with embelish or the other ?
jaunty notch
my g
tall jay
Psst Whispyr…
ripe rapids
!ui
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.
For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:
balmy condor
Psst Whispyr…
yes dear
zenith tree
Do we have an addon that lets us have colored nameplates with certain dots/dot combinations? or did blizz kill that
cunning needle
kill
foggy jasper
So we dont have even plater scripts, that change colors of target with certain debuffs ?
I was using one on some classes, but now it changes colors only when im out of combat
balmy condor
correct
you can change color of stuff based on how blizzard determines mobs
there's like a caster/mini boss tag
that you can use
but that's on blizzards end, you have no control over that
and coloring based on debuffs is hard no
oak ember
How is the spec looking at 90? Middle of the pack or garbage?
balmy condor
well right now kinda everything is looking like garbage compared to tanks
So kinda gotta pray that there is a biblical flood of tuning on the 17th after the last couple weeks of nothing
bitter solar
haughty flicker
two paragraphs buffing fire mage and a blade flurry nerf
visual sun
Are uhdk just broken chads atm? A fotm roller friend glazing on me on how he almost beat me on some bosses despite me having 5 ilvls higher
cunning needle
but that's on blizzards end, you have no control over that
one really annoying thing is the void terrors in magisters terrace not being marked at all
and they look the same as all the other mobs
and every single mob in there is void something
fuck blizzard
balmy condor
Well you see
The best part about this nameplate shit
Is that if something changes, you probably need to update the addon
wise ibex
If we need to leave boss to avoid aoe mechanics, do we poison knife (is it poison throw?) until shadow step back in?
coral ibex
i really appreciate blizzard for nuking all the utility of weakauras just for my ui to look literally identical just lacking some recoloring options in various places
balmy condor
i really appreciate blizzard for nuking all the utility of weakauras just for my...
I mean isn’t that what people wanted at the end of the day
balmy condor
“Don’t touch my UI I want my UI to look the same, but you can kill boss weakauras”
coral ibex
the exact same goals could have been achieved by updating the terms of service to ban certain kinds of computation
balmy condor
How do you ban for that
The API is just there, the addons can just read the combatlog
All the computation is done locally
Like yes, sure
But how are you testing people for that
Throw some riot vanguard anti-cheat into World of Warcraft?
haughty flicker
make them pinky promise
balmy condor
That would’ve been an even bigger shitshow
Cause if you’re not going to change the API to block the computation, and you’re not going to do some kernel anti-cheat
You literally can’t know
coral ibex
yea i dont have the answer but maybe if they spent more time on the transition instead of just hard breaking everything and then walking it back over a short beta they could have figured out a solution that didn't mean every non-combat weakaura that players used had to be broken out into separate addons to be installed
haughty flicker
well a lot of them didnt
its just weakauras decided not to update and instead of forking it people just made their own addons
although now there is a fork i think
coral ibex
in other words, a solution that didn't cause the unpaid maintainers of one of the most widely relied on addons to give up instead of attempt to work with it
haughty flicker
there wouldnt be a solution like that
blizzards goal was to strip a ton of that functionality
and the wa devs didnt want to do that
which is 100% perfectly valid
now obviously blizzard didnt handle the situation well, we shouldve had the restrictions put into place slowly over midnight instead of dropped in all at once
with not enough time for them to develop their own solutions
hardy rapids
Any of you playing assa in mythic raid this tier or are you gonna wait to see if it’s buffed on the 17th
storm forum
im gonna play it in mythic raid, but my guild usually doesnt jump into mythic right away and we'll get buffs if we're really that bad
tall jay
What’s everyone’s choice for CDM nowadays?
quaint nimbus
I use better cooldown manager to center the icons because it drives me insane if they’re not centered
tall jay
I’ve used that one. I think I need to look more into it. I have tried cdm centered? As well.
quaint nimbus
I was using both until the latter added more features and conflicted with bcdm
I really dont do anything special with my cdm beyond a reskin of the icons and centering them tho
Ignore the green 2, i made a shitty WA at one point to track envenom casts before blizz half-fixed implacable tracking
loud niche
For food, Royal Roast vs Champ's bento? I would assume 50 main > 65 secondary, but wanted to check with the pros
balmy condor
Doesn’t matter they’re within like 0.2
Primary is technically better but if it’s like double the price then don’t bother
loud niche
I think the secondary is actually going to be more, because it takes the fish stuff. Which is weird.
haughty flicker
there are versions of both that just use the plant protein
flora frenzy for secondary
i think its cheaper than the bento, but the royal roast is cheaper than the plant version of itself
marble wadi
does pooling feel rewarding to you guys the dps just seems meh
eager solstice
Dps numbers don’t feel great but it could be cause stuff dying too quick
marble wadi
and is it really the play to just SPAM ct even at full cp