assassination

[weak blaze]

Which spec will be stronger in raids, assassination or subtlety?

[marble wadi]

Sub probably

Sin can be awkward in cleave

Most bosses have cleave this tier from what i saw

[polar sail]

Dont forget there is tunning coming

Sub is cool rn in mythic

[hallow glade]

The ct thing imo is kinda pointless because you’re playing the spec meant to do big prio damage in m+

Outside of instances where you have no prio target

[desert salmon]

Waiting spec balance patch

[grim jay]

How is it meant to be that spec?
Just because it had that niche for a season or two due to some circumstances doesnt mean its the identity tbh, that aside, it still fits that in the most basic sense, you just have setup to do as you always had

[grim jay]

Not really

Sin cleave is pretty easy and fine, tuning aside

[rugged basalt]

Is the only use for shiv during darkest night to 6 7?

[normal mist]

Seems like a min max yeah, or soothe

[rugged basalt]

I hate deathstalker thanks

[real pike]

I feel more like it had the niche of big aoe dam with an unintended bleed build for a season or two

[grim jay]

Ngl the big "ramping" aoe should kinda be the idea behind a dot spec

Because that is exactly what happens if you have meaningful dots and you spread them

[real pike]

Depends, if the dot spec also has big prio target funnel and a big old single target dot cooldown prio damage works as an identity too

[worldly dock]

Hey guys
Has Assa big changes from Tww? I’d like to start rogue but unsure which spec to continue

[normal mist]

Any of the 3 is a good choice

Assa got a few changes, spec got easier

(even easier than it already was)

[warm vortex]

Only problem is you can’t track impeccable afaik

Which is smelly af Ngl

[normal mist]

You're smelly

[warm vortex]

Actually just obliterated my life

[spiral warren]

Assa feels ok

[rugged basalt]

Implacable aside, the spec feels easier to play so far

Curious to see how raiding will be since I refuse to play sub

[warm vortex]

It felt energy starved slightly but that might just be me not being used to impeccable

And also have been used to infinite aoe energy

And carnage

So it’s the muscle memory I need to kick

[distant plinth]

Benched

[warm vortex]

How do you know

What if Assa IS the bench

Idk my brains rot atm

[distant plinth]

Haha

We will see tuning

Hopefully

[warm vortex]

Yea

SP buffs please blizzard

[distant plinth]

SP?

[warm vortex]

And also I hope survival gets some even though it most likely doesn’t need them

Shadow priest

[distant plinth]

Wtf

Its a rogue disc

Not SP

[warm vortex]

First season I’m going to play a caster in a proper raid environment

Sorry I mean shadow rogue

[distant plinth]

Ahhhh

And you went for SP

Yikers

[warm vortex]

The top of the r looks weird and it became a P

You can see what I mean right

r just a p without the full circle

[distant plinth]

No

[warm vortex]

:<

Ok fine yes I admit it I’m playing shadow priest

Was originally playing outlaw on the heroic guild but we would have had 3 outlaws

And like 0 ranged

[distant plinth]

3 outlaws

Ahahaha

[warm vortex]

Yuh

[warm vortex]

He looks wise beyond his years

[rugged basalt]

Idk what it is about sub that makes it so unappealing to me, I like outlaw but don’t want carpal tunnel

[grim jay]

Outlaw got slower and you might wanna work on your health if anything in this game could cause issues like that

[warm vortex]

Omg hi david

[rugged basalt]

I dabble in exaggeration that doesn’t actually affect me

[warm vortex]

Also the only thing that wow gives me

Is happiness

[grim jay]

[grim jay]

I wish

[warm vortex]

I’ve been enjoying midnight so far
Got 3 characters, most likely only playing 2 this tier, one for a mythic guild and one for a heroic/low mythic guild

Also got some concentration alts set up too

[rugged basalt]

Hell yeah

[warm vortex]

Apparently random hard prey gives 15 vet crests per hunt so I might do some of those

My priest got unfathomably unlucky in gearing

[rugged basalt]

I did not know that, may do some today then

Is there a limit on how many you can run?

[warm vortex]

Both my priest and hunter did M0 tour, the 4 vet rep items, all WQs that gave upgrades, and the 2 hard preys

Hunter is sitting at 239 but priest is like 219

I got so many dupe slots

[warm vortex]

Unsure
Just been told by a friend

[bleak star]

I did 5 to cap my crests

Might just be currency gated

[rugged basalt]

I might just do one char despite me planning for two

[warm vortex]

Ah fair
What you mean by that? Sorry if it’s a silly question my brain is rotted

[rugged basalt]

Me?

[warm vortex]

Nono flo

As in currency gated

[bleak star]

They random hunts need 50 of those anguish things

But If you did your two big chest hard modes you’ll have more then enough

[warm vortex]

Ahh ok gotcha

[rugged basalt]

Huh, the currency for cosmetics is also used for random hunts. Curious
Idk how much we possibly earn per run, maybe it’s warband capped as well

[warm vortex]

I know you can pick it up while playing

Also it’s going to be a lot easier on Hunter than it is priest lol

[oblique sorrel]

You don’t you need to choose the crests or another reward if you are doing random
Hunts

But they only take 7-10 minutes so yea it’s not too bad

[latent kernel]

so is it worth crafting a dagger right now if we dont get one from m0?

and is the murder row fishhook still broken or no>

[balmy condor]

Worth it even if you do, crafted is a free 259

[balmy condor]

Broken how

[latent kernel]

i just remember there was a point in beta where it was doing like insane numbers

[rugged basalt]

I crafted mine

[latent kernel]

is it not as good anymore because i saw the other one on the bis list?

[balmy condor]

Oh, yeah that got fixed

Fish hook is utter shit

Pure ST embellishment with zero aoe that also happens to not be good in ST

It’s pretty sick

[hidden robin]

yeah it's "You do not have Deadly Poison or Wound Poison active."

[rugged basalt]

Me rebuffing mid fight after seeing the red text

[weary stump]

The once per tier oops of forgetting poison re-up and they drop halfway through a prog pull

[warm vortex]

What do you need to go fishing

[balmy condor]

A lot of alcohol

[weary stump]

It's a sin that they didn't give the hook flavor of +50% damage against murlocs or something dumb

[warm vortex]

Imma fish for the whisp

[balmy condor]

Bigger sin is releasing all these bait daggers for noobs to waste sparks

3 expansions in a row now

[fathom basin]

Hi everyone ! First question here, hope it wont be a stoopid one.
I've recently got into assa rogue, for the first time. I've been "studying" a bit the class during the end of TWW, so I'm not a pro and could still lack of understanding.

So, I read that a lot of rogues complain about the Stealth issue. Being in M+ with a pick up tank that doesn't care whether you need this 0,5s out of combat or not. Still, all the talents I see are playing around the Improved Garrote, and the Razor Wire. If it feels so inconsistent for people to play around the stealth, why not play with the talents around Rupture ? Like Avulsion.
If we're playing around the Improved Garrote, why not going for Sudden Demise instead of Dragon-Tempered Blades ? It could boost Garrote, Rupture, and even the Doomblade talent might be viable ?
I've been thinking that the 2P bonus is pushing us towards Garrote, and overall I don't think that stealth would be a problem on bosses.
Also, why are we not taking Iron Wire if we plan to play around Improved Garrote ? It seems to me like a huge bonus for the team to be able to spread a silence on a pack.

[weary stump]

No this isn't a sin, it's entertainment for us

I love the posts of people posting that they crafted the int dagger

[normal mist]

Whispyr is gonna type a wall of text and I love it

[weary stump]

[normal mist]

Gotta learn too because I'll eventually return

[warm vortex]

Yknow what’s the best part

Imma be robbing my rogues daggers

Or
Might be

[flint tusk]

anyone else had this with senseis today?

like where the bars just changed settings for no reason

[warm vortex]

Because duel wield survival is better for pack leader

And specifically daggers

[balmy condor]

In order of what you mentioned:

• rogues complained a lot in the past cause you couldn’t spread bleeds without stealth. You don’t need stealth to spread anymore so it’s irrelevant
• improved garrote and razor wire are must haves because they’re in the first gate and the alternatives suck even harder
• your tanks shouldnt play around your stealth
• avulsion is just numerically worse, 20% garrote from shrouded is better than 20% rupture from avulsion
• because in order to take sudden demise you’d need to drop dragon tempered or dashing and taking sudden demise just because of a 3% talent like imp garrote or a 3% tier set like the 2 piece is asinine
• iron wire doesn’t spread

[fathom basin]

Ok, thanks for the information !

[weary stump]

Iron wire and blind no longer being spread/aoe is gonna be two things asked about constantly this tier aren't they

[balmy condor]

Well that and “how fix energy???”

And “really? Haste better than mast?”

And fishhook

And uhhhhhhhhh

Implacable until they fix the cdm

[weary stump]

Ngl the energy thing I don't get, outside of when fatebound cd bug happened our energy feels way less annoying this tier

[fathom basin]

Small question too about this spot of the talents tree.
I've seen people taking lethal dose, secondary poisoning, or fan of knives. Which one would be the most consistent in your opinion ?

[balmy condor]

Ct is expensive and people can’t handle a button costing that much idk

[balmy condor]

Lethal dose is generally the best in every situation, secondary poisoning is noticeably better than the fok talent because it’s more damage but also more energy from dashing, and the fok talent is idk

Popularized by an unnamed YouTuber with oatmeal for a brain during prepatch and now just part of the psyche for some reason

[cinder mountain]

in keys or raid? because in keys you had infinite energy after spreading

[balmy condor]

Fok talent is like ALMOST good on deathstalker

But even then it’s kinda questionable why you would want it

The bigger the aoe, the less you’re pressing fan of knives, which is counter to what you took the talent for in the first place

[fathom basin]

The 30% increased damage over 5 targets seemed ok to me, even if I didn't do the maths

[balmy condor]

Fok doesn’t do much damage realistically is the problem

30% of not a lot is still not a lot

[fathom basin]

Yeah, I see

[rugged sinew]

Hello, do we have any information regarding which spec will be good on raids this season?

[weary stump]

I was thinking raid moreso but true I suppose

[balmy condor]

Not until blizzard destroys all meta on the 17th

[jolly stirrup]

I also feel like I get way less CP from Fok now, I have to press it multiple times in like 5 enemies to get my CP to press envenom

[rugged sinew]

Just like i thought thanks boss

[balmy condor]

The joys of delaying class tuning for a month for fun

[jolly stirrup]

Might be a me issue

[weary stump]

They can't destroy meta, how else with devourer dh transform

[balmy condor]

Well you went from like nearly 60% crit on fok season 3 to maybe 30% now

So that doesn’t help

[fathom basin]

Last question for today, which might be a bit niche.
I'm playing a Zandalari, and have Embrace of the Loa. Considering the fact that Crit is our main stat, i've always went for the +crit proc, but with Lethal Dose, would it be nice to pick the nature DoT for mono ? I think on multi targets taking the crit is more consistent because I have no way to spread the nature DoT otherwise

[balmy condor]

The nature dot doesn’t interact with lethal dose

[fathom basin]

Ah.

[balmy condor]

In general if something says poison or nature damage over time or whatever the keyword is, it only works with things available to rogue as a baseline

No trinkets no racials no item effects no potions or food or whatever else

[fathom basin]

Yeah the "damage over time" baited me

Ok ok, tyvm

[balmy condor]

Np

[viral sage]

wtf have they done to this spec I just tried for the first time, the energy feels fcking awful

[weary stump]

[sand otter]

after running a bunch of M0 i realzied i need to get gud

im getting blown up by feral and shammys lol

[jolly stirrup]

So I dont even get a cp for each enemy hit?

https://tenor.com/view/jeonghan-horse-on-beach-jeonghan-man-jeonghan-jeonghan-silly-horse-on-beach-man-gif-13991646989968971533

[balmy condor]

Been playing a bit too much sub

[sand otter]

anyone else having a hard time getting used to the spread bleed mechanic, or am i just trench tier. lolol

[balmy condor]

Didn’t I say

[jolly stirrup]

2 raids where I didn't press that button once

[viral sage]

does assa feel better once it gets it apex talents

[jolly stirrup]

Nah I love it

[jolly stirrup]

Not really

A bit

[weary stump]

It's kinda hilarious how quickly it popped up as a question ngl

[jolly stirrup]

But not like: MOAAAH SO MUCH ENERGY

[sand otter]

all the muscle memory i need to rewrite lol, i was getting so good at the end of the last expac. i need it to just kick in.

[grim jay]

Slightly one might say

[balmy condor]

I’d make a command for it but what does it even matter, it’s not like it would change anything anyway

[viral sage]

for a standard packs of around 10 in m+ how many bleeds do we need to get out now?

[balmy condor]

20

[grim jay]

Mostly helps those answering ig

[balmy condor]

Yeah maybe

[viral sage]

where do we get energy regen from to do enough CTs

or do i just wait

[grim jay]

Will it be serious? Will it be rude?

[jolly stirrup]

Is it pronounced implacable or i plac(k)able

[grim jay]

[weary stump]

I vote for the !RedBull or !monster command

[latent kernel]

so for crafting this dagger, you just use the 2 sparks and nothing else?

[grim jay]

Implackable? Maybe

Depends on where you are coming from

[sand otter]

you can gather the other mats to help the crafter, that depends if you will supply or not

[balmy condor]

Well it would be 5 tempests, that’s 300 energy, 2 garrotes and a rupture is 115, you start with 250 so you would need to find like another 200ish

Either you’re getting it from passive regen, dashing, the energy you’re ramping from venomous wounds, implacable, or tea

[balmy condor]

And the embellishment ofc

But yes

[jolly stirrup]

What Ilvl is that the dagger without anything?

[balmy condor]

Imm-plaque-ubble

[grim jay]

259 iirc

[jolly stirrup]

Nah I dont like that

Try again

[weary stump]

Dental-appointment-request

Get it, plaque

[balmy condor]

Im wie Imbiss
Plac wie Hack
Able wie deine Mutter: fickable

[grim jay]

Na hör mal

So geht das aber nicht du kleiner Dreckssack

[light quarry]

this is NOT english

[balmy condor]

Mein Sack ist so sauber das würdest du nicht glauben, posh seine Mutter hat‘s poliert bis glänzt

[jolly stirrup]

Junge da habe ich mal was losgetreten

[jolly stirrup]

Sprich Deutsch du Sohn einer Dirne

[weary stump]

Or maybe we aren't english

[red schooner]

Oh no, we've entered German o'clock

[jolly stirrup]

Checke

[balmy condor]

I had to assert dominance you gotta understand

[light quarry]

I will würdest on ur glauben if u dont glänzt urself

[jolly stirrup]

You can assert dominance when i buy you a beer one day

[grim jay]

Gut gespielt. Erinnert mich etwas an "Sag deiner Mutter sie soll nicht so oft ihren Lippenstift wechseln, mein Schwanz sieht schon aus wie ein Regenbogen."

[weary stump]

Whispyr saying assert dominance in German, this concerns me greatly

[grim jay]

He is not austrian

Its fine

[jolly stirrup]

But you know who is, or at least lives there

[fading belfry]

hello fellow rogue quick question sorry if it's been asked a lot, for the apex buff should we juste manage too keep it the longer possible/ should we ignore it/ should we let it fade as soon as we have 80 or just let it fade before kingsbane comming off CD to get max energie for the window?

[light quarry]

Whispyr is french spy using chatgpt to fool innocent germans in the ass rogue channel

[jolly stirrup]

Let it fade at 80

[rugged basalt]

bien

[fading belfry]

every time we hit 80 we let it fade?

[pure moth]

yes

[jolly stirrup]

Yes

[fading belfry]

ok thanks

[jolly stirrup]

Only thing I dont know, do we do this also when we have tea available?

[grim jay]

Idk if there is something like a french spy. He would surrender immediately

[light quarry]

(He did)

[balmy condor]

I had a screenshot of the guide for this implacable question

But I seem to have deleted it

That sucks

[fading belfry]

gr8 question

[jolly stirrup]

For which

The fade or tea one

[light quarry]

Seems like something a french spy would do

[balmy condor]

The fade

I didn’t think we would still be talking about tea in 2026

[jolly stirrup]

Well here we are

[balmy condor]

Are you scared you’re not going to be able to proc tea?

[grim jay]

Is it a high taper or low taper fade?

[fading belfry]

more like why let a 80%dmg buff fade if we have enough energy to continue

due to tea procing

[balmy condor]

80% damage buff from where my guy

I fucking wish

[rugged basalt]

I still use the shiv macro

[fading belfry]

i missread it

[rugged basalt]

[fading belfry]

i guess

[lucid spoke]

80% dmg we s tier 😄

[fading belfry]

isnt 80% dmg buff envenom?

[pure moth]

here

[lethal turtle]

80% dmg we Z tier what

[fading belfry]

prolly missread it

sorry

[balmy condor]

Lovely thanks

[jolly stirrup]

Dw, we love to bully

[rugged basalt]

80% dmg fish hook propaganda

[jolly stirrup]

Its 80% buff to out energy regen

[balmy condor]

Yeh

It’s energy increase

[fading belfry]

can see that haha

[balmy condor]

The apex itself gives 10% envenom damage but that’s just passive

[fading belfry]

can't blame ya you r rogue mains after all

[light quarry]

this seems like fake propaganda from whispyr so they can be the only one 100 logging in s1

[balmy condor]

True and real

[lucid spoke]

also what i like to do when i have high energy and getting the 80% to spam builder and spender its like free casting

[balmy condor]

Me and my wr400 guild

[weary stump]

[light quarry]

Going from wr 400 to wr 1 next tier with these logs

liquid go get yo mans

[balmy condor]

I have a life I’m afraid

And a family

[jolly stirrup]

One of that is a lie

[rugged basalt]

They would understand

[grim jay]

Its like him withholding the secret shiv tech

[light quarry]

clearly need to change up ur priorities

[lucid spoke]

thats a lie u are wow player that means no job no family no shower 😄

[balmy condor]

I don’t think my engagement ring is refundable

[light quarry]

Pretty sure we are married for a week or so now

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

Just gotta kidnap your ass and marry in Saudi arabia

Sell the Ring at some shop

[weary stump]

You can always give it to the homeless, charity really

[balmy condor]

Echo sponsored wedding is crazy

[light quarry]

Maybe wait a month or 2 before doing that

[fading belfry]

oh shit everything makes sens now, its just a energy regen buff 0 dmg tied to it dunno why i thought that was the case its so obv now T.T

[balmy condor]

Imagine if there was a damage gain attached to pooling

What a dream

[fading belfry]

dunno it made sens to me

[grim jay]

That actually goes hard ngl

[grim jay]

Forgot that for a second

[light quarry]

[balmy condor]

I mean it makes plenty of sense to me too, but blizzard is too pussy to actually make a rotation based around energy management even though they said they would

[lethal turtle]

Just wait for Thursday or Friday this week

[balmy condor]

We get one apex point and that’s it fuck you and your management

[lethal turtle]

Gonna see another 5% rupture buff and -8% nerf to sub

[weary stump]

Remember when they wanted support classes and made aug

[grim jay]

Maybe they iterate on it at some later patch and actually go nuts

[weary stump]

[red schooner]

Surely

[balmy condor]

Yeah surely

[light quarry]

Buff outlaw by 300% i wanna play sword man

[balmy condor]

Like they went crazy with the energy talents in 10.2

[weary stump]

It'll be a cold day in hell when I take a sword from vault

[balmy condor]

Look how many of those are still around

[grim jay]

Hey hey, hoping and getting said hopes crushed for 15 years now. One might call it stockholm

[balmy condor]

Like sangu…. Uh… vicious ve… twist…. Erm….

But at least we can pool for kingsbane, RIGHT

AT LEAST THERE IS THAT???

They wouldn’t have gotten rid of that as well surely

[light quarry]

What if thet gave assa convoke and we can apply multiple instances of kingsbane i think that would be pretty sweet thanks bliguzzy

[grim jay]

Sanguine blades was a fever dream ngl

Either ignoring or avoiding it

[sand otter]

just transmog daggers to sword and pretend

[balmy condor]

I think I’d choke myself with my bedsheets

[light quarry]

What about the glock tho i need pewpew

[grim jay]

Kingsbane and dm

[sand otter]

thats what garrote is for. classy way to end it

[light quarry]

Horrible recommendations guys

[grim jay]

They gotta bring back exsanguinate and make it aoe aswell

So we need to apply more bleeds

[balmy condor]

Recommended craft order is dagger -> wrist YEP

[red schooner]

New tier set, 4 piece has a chance to randomly cast exsanguinate

Ship it

[grim jay]

I will support you in becoming the rogue class dev

Or the item dev

[red schooner]

Thank you I can think of more bad ideas

[light quarry]

new 5 set: ur garrot tick dmg has a 25% chance to apply kingsbane

[red schooner]

I'll make deathstalker feel good compared to what I'll introduce

[grim jay]

Count me in

Speaking of

@balmy condor you really hurt my feelings talking about people that will play deathstalker in your midnight video

[rugged basalt]

Empath talent, you apply stacks on yourself as well so you get increased dmg to whoever you are attacking

[grim jay]

[rugged basalt]

[balmy condor]

What I say

[grim jay]

Just told me the hero talents I like are terrible, awful and shit while calling me a masochist

[balmy condor]

Oh for a second I thought I said something bad or inaccurate

PFEW

[grim jay]

Dang

[weary stump]

What if they make crimson Tempest an empowering spell like one of those evoker charge up casts

[balmy condor]

Sure

That could be cool

[weary stump]

You weren't supposed to react positively, my mission has failed

[grim jay]

Ngl circle aoe empower would be fine

[balmy condor]

It’s a cool mechanic though

[fading belfry]

oh that would be cool the more u charge more target get bleed spread awsome idea

[weary stump]

It would but I feel like half the people I talk to hate that cast type lol

[light quarry]

I will NOT HOLD DMG BUTTONS

[weary stump]

But yeah, hire Spyro as rogue dev now I guess

[balmy condor]

Well luckily half of assa players hate assa

[weary stump]

That's true, where's my energy regen

[light quarry]

I hate assa because it plays how i want feral to play but feral is just shred bite nomnom

[balmy condor]

POV I picked a spec famous for energy starvation and it has energy starvation

[weary stump]

Pov my dagger breaks mid prog and I wonder why I can't mutilate anymore

[balmy condor]

My raid leader will call me slurs if he readychecks and my armor is yellow

[spiral warren]

pov you play outlaw then respec mid fight and don't get why you cant mutilate

happened

[balmy condor]

The legendary mid fight respec

[spiral warren]

yea must try everything

[weary stump]

Im pretty sure it was vexie but my dagger broke mid first kill on a mythic fight last expac, and I had to just start garrote and rupturing as my means of pretending to do damage for the last like 30 seconds

[grim jay]

Ngl I usually hate on everything that has outlaw in it

But the current outlaw and Whispyrs Video about it changed me

[weary stump]

Why am I like this you ask? Severe issues probably

[fading belfry]

for me outlaw is fun but i find it really frustrating that each time you do not hit or have to respect mechanics you loose a lot of dmg due to being a 0 burstclass that press a button every 0.5 sec.

[desert salmon]

Sometimes can not track impeccable stacks on buff tracking bar. Is there a way to solve this?

[latent kernel]

so how do you get 2 sparks this week? is the midnight: world tour even completable at this point?

[scarlet orbit]

No its just buggy we need to wait till they fix it

[desert salmon]

Thank you

[plush umbra]

world tour is completeable yes, I've done it on a few characters

so one spark is from world tour, the other is from the weekly event (so the arcantina)

[rugged basalt]

I don’t see why it wouldn’t be completable

[latent kernel]

i dont have the soiree unlocked, do you remember what you had to do to be able to get it?

[plush umbra]

there's a quest in silvermoon that starts the unlock

as in, it sends you there and then you get to do the event

but you have to start it in silvermoon iirc

don't remember if it was marked as a regular quest or as one of those pink triangle quests, sorry

[rugged basalt]

I think it starts as a purple quest in silvermoon city and ends in the renown area

I think it was this questline

[raven panther]

Is it just me or venomous wonds talent part that suppose to give me energy when an ennemy dies afflicted by your rupture doesn't work ?

I feel that all the rupture that I spread using crismon tempest

aren't giving me energy back when ennemy dies

[scarlet orbit]

It works but it got bugfixed which changed it from 10 energy per tick to 1. But thats the intended value it was way to high before

[raven panther]

Not talking about the tick

the energy refound when the ennemy dies

[scarlet orbit]

yes

it gave 10 energy per tick left and now its fixed and gives 1 so it got nerfed by 90%

so you dont really notice it anymore

[primal parrot]

but
sin has 4 poisons

[raven panther]

ok it's so bad

[split cipher]

It's working as intended iirc, was a bug that gave it massive refunds for an expac or two but yes it's bad now. We no longer rupture snipe

[oblique sorrel]

Sin will be alright when they fix the energy

Nobody wants pooling

[runic hinge]

Uhh

[scarlet orbit]

i have maybe some bad news for you

[humble verge]

so hows assa

ive only been gaming sub

[warm vortex]

Yo

uber

gimmie a gif or image of one of those little funny guys you like

[sand otter]

i just saw the tier lists and am kinda heart broken. might be the first time in 20 years i play a different class 🙁

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/usagi-chiikawa-hachiware-gif-14974835340204751373

❗

[sacred oyster]

you can change it to not be a hold, was huge improvement for me to do that

[sacred oyster]

why chase meta? play what you want to play.

[sand otter]

no i have never chased the meta, am just 2 night casual aotc. but it just feels heartbreaking

was wondering why i was being out ran by 4 classes 100 ilvls under me in a M0 last night

[sacred oyster]

are you comparing their CD burst dps vs your non burst?

ive not had trouble keeping up with m0, and sin will do better the higher the keys get

[sand otter]

Just overall dungeon damage, and main boss fights, not really on generic trash pulls

or maybe im just trash lmao

[sacred oyster]

im totally destroying everyone on ST dmg too

[spice condor]

I haven't done sin yet. But outlaw/sub i keep up fine

For overall

[sacred oyster]

and my gears still meh

[sand otter]

ive always palyed sin. if i tried outlaw or sub wihtout some sort of helper i would be worse than the single button macro

[warm vortex]

❤️

[sand otter]

ima. very slow learner and takes a long time for things to click for me (leanring disability) it jsut sucks haha

[spice condor]

Then just keep playing sin my man

[rugged basalt]

My dmg sucks in m+ not because of the spec but bc of how I play
But I do great in single target

[sacred oyster]

remember rogue also comes with a lot of utility, that has value in mythics

[sand otter]

true, but that requires invites/ insane pugging time and i dont have that. and im not exaclt ythe first one invited to groups. haha

not a bad thing im just too casual

[light quarry]

M0s are such a horrible statistic to use, everything dies before most classes do good dmg... its super irrelevant

[spice condor]

Start your own group friend. Makes life a ton easier

[rugged basalt]

I’m familiar with the pains of pugging due to my time zone, but will say groups don’t generally discriminate

[sand otter]

not when people judge you off io lol

[spice condor]

But you're the keyholder

[light quarry]

Thats not a real thing

[rugged basalt]

I get judged in sweaty raid groups but not keys

[normal mist]

What utility?

[rugged basalt]

shroud

[sand otter]

raiderIO is indeed a thing...

[light quarry]

Yes, but people dont care about the key holder. People just want invites

[sacred oyster]

yeah if someone sees your key for a dungeon they want to do at a level they want, most people arent gonna be like well ill wait 5 mins for another of that same combo to come up because its a rogue.

ive led groups just fine as rogue

[rugged basalt]

Yeah it’s giga easier when hosting the group

[light quarry]

yea

[sacred oyster]

but i also didnt have much trouble either joining too

i pugged plenty

[light quarry]

I got title purely because of my own groups kekw

[rugged basalt]

I am too lazy to host I just spam joins but haven’t had issues with keys

[sand otter]

last expac i had to set aside 2 hours to get a key done whne joining.

well documented

[light quarry]

fake

[sand otter]

not at all

[sacred oyster]

what was your io level?

[rugged basalt]

May I ask what key level it was

[light quarry]

Bet it was up as a mythic dung 😭

[sand otter]

i was just trying to get 10s done. i ended the season at like 2700 or somthing in the last season.

my raiderIO profile shows all. i even log

do my ebst to leanr from each one and get better

i do the same thing for FF14 raiding weekly.

[sacred oyster]

i know main thing my groups always looked at in picking ppl was having higher io level showing they know wtf they are doing. sure class preference happens though lol.

[rugged basalt]

I do know late into the season some groups prefer alts for 10s

[sand otter]

my point is time is finite and if it takes long time to get intoa group i sadly have other things i have to do thats all.,

not a bad thing, just me being casual

[novel river]

Can anyone tell me if Assassin's Creed is currently playable in the game? If so, please provide a guide.

[rugged basalt]

I got flamed for my io in a m0 on Friday because I said “sorry for brick” after someone caused a wipe

Why did he io check me 😭

[spice condor]

Host. Post key, take piss, come back to a million dps, take your pick, then say high while waiting for a tank/ healer

[sand otter]

ill just prep a healer in case

[polar sail]

Can i play 2 spec in one charcter like assa and sub with some stats?

https://tenor.com/view/giga-gigacat-cat-mewing-mogging-gif-12429734670640119345

[royal lantern]

secondarys make near 0 difference in WoW overall

[lethal turtle]

Play WW with no haste

[light quarry]

Thats so not true 😭

Play any haste spec with no haste

[royal lantern]

send me sims

and i mean reasonable sims

not "lol 0% haste", because thats not how gear works in reality

mfs are so tierlist/stat priority brained, it hurts

[normal mist]

Wtf is link diff

[proper jewel]

i just got put in rogue jail by my raid leader. Am i schizo or is Assasination completely energy starved?

[lethal turtle]

Have you seen FoF damage break down?

[fading belfry]

assa isnt that far behind sub and outlaw ? ive seen beta logs on m+ at least seemed fine by me

maybe i didnt notice a huge nerf in between?

[royal lantern]

bro

beta logs

[normal mist]

Every patch, every expansion, the same questions

Season isn't even out yet

[fading belfry]

personnaly idc i love assa and im gonna play assa even if it's the less meta of the specs

unless they are like garbage tier doing less dmg than tanks

but did not get that feeling atm in m0

[royal lantern]

mate, balance is always a shitshow that you ignore for the first couple weeks of a season

and we are not even in the season

we are currently in "guardian druid does more dmg then one third of dps specs in the game"

[fading belfry]

haha

[runic hinge]

More like all but 3 specs

Guardian doing like 115k i stg

[royal lantern]

i compare it with our bear drood

and they are a bit................................................................

tank brained

[solar wyvern]

Hey dont you be hating on all the data i gathered so it can be changed

:^)

[normal mist]

Thanks charrend for your work

[primal oasis]

It is but I think most regular assa players view it as part of the spec design

Great spec for stoners / smokers I guess with how often you have 5 second windows of doing nothing

[royal lantern]

i dont hate you for the data

i hate you for the yellow name

[split lily]

Hey does assa still enjoy killing packs before moving on to the next

[bitter solar]

I enjoy killing packs in general

[hidden robin]

me personally I have been enjoying just applying garrote/rupture then just letting my character auto attack until the enemy dies while I tab back into my YouTube video I have on my second monitor

[rapid patio]

hello! these are the poisons i should be using?

[safe totem]

why do you need to tab back into your youtube video if you have a second monitor

[hidden robin]

so I can open subway surfers

[safe totem]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-4421199585167544999

[hidden robin]

https://tenor.com/view/brian-family-guy-tiktok-funny-clip-tasty-sand-gif-27509497

[forest nacelle]

we pooling energy again for envenom spam?

[worn nimbus]

Yes pooling revolves around our apex talent implacable

Ideally get 80 stacks then pool until envenom buff falls off then spam

[forest nacelle]

ok ty

so get to 80 then let it fall off?

[worn nimbus]

Exactly

Sometimes you can get to 80 easily other times it’s like 55

Every envenom is 15 stacks

[forest nacelle]

do i start hitting envenom again and mutilate to build CP right as it falls off, or give it some time to build my energy back?

[worn nimbus]

What I do is at 80 stacks I refresh garrote and rupture

Then when buff falls off and energy regeneration comes from the apex talent I spam envenom

Just no point to envenom at 80 stacks of the buff because it’s capped at 80

[forest nacelle]

kk

[coral ibex]

if they dont fix the implacable tracking bug before the raid drops, nothing will happen but ill be mad about it

[worn nimbus]

Yeah the CDM tracks it for the first application then it doesn’t anymore

It’s buggy as shit

[analog field]

if you have much energy you can continue at 80

there is no point in overcapping with regen

[kindred oriole]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[turbid sandal]

Chat helped me be a better Assa rogue yesterday. Today I did some M0s, it went better - but it still feels like I'm punishing myself playing this. What is wrong with me? 🙁

[coral ibex]

well you dont have to play this spec, you can play something else that you like more

[mint urchin]

I mean assa has never been nor will be a spec for m0s, shit dies too fast for you to even do half of your rotation

[crisp pine]

You are being punished actually
This is purgatory
Sorry you had to find out this way

[prisma shard]

What's the name of the delve and story us rogues should be looking for? Wasn't there an easy one that we could do in like 5 minutes

[haughty flicker]

There was one in atal aman called ritual interrupted, but they fixed being able to open cages in stealth

[gleaming geyser]

unless they changed anything yesterday, you could still stealth through everything and sap whatever enemy was standing next to the cage

[haughty flicker]

I mean yeah you can still press sap

But before you used to not even have to bother doing that, you just wouldn't unstealth while opening them

Its probably faster to just do one of the fast delves like the college one at this point

[boreal lichen]

how do i copy paste the Whispyr Midnight Assassination Rogue Blizzard CDM from pastebin to wow ? do i need an addon or just straight into the wow Edit mode (doesnt rly work) and i the weak aura addon i dowloaded is incompatible

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.

For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:

• Blizzard HUD
• Blizzard CDM

[waxen oyster]

So not chad tank brained where you acknowledge the healer is your whipping boy?

and dps dying dont matter

[boreal lichen]

which addon/addonss is Whispyr using atm for his health/energybars + combo points stuff ? i only found the ui imports but idk where to import them

[hollow moss]

how much energy are we supposed to pool to before chaining envenom?

[fallow canopy]

He's using sensei resource bar iirc

[royal lantern]

sensei or wang bar

FOR THE PEOPLE

[royal lantern]

no, tank brained where they somehow fuck up the first tankswap of the fight 98 pulls into a fight multiple times in a row

[prime hull]

if i wanted to pick up sudden demise for m0s whats the best point to drop

dashing scoundrel i guess?

[worn nimbus]

Oh you trolling that group huh

Boss gonna take 10 business days

[runic hinge]

It’s an m0

[royal lantern]

serious business ok?

[runic hinge]

my b

[spice spire]

Real

[haughty flicker]

enter dungeon>die on first pull>leave group

[fallow canopy]

fellow wang enjoyer

[vestal wren]

i like better cooldown manager

but if i am honest, every addon i try has some problem or bug

midnight destabalized the addon ecosystem by the roots, so will probably take a while to get it back to a somewhat stable point

[haughty flicker]

Bcdm is good

It doesnt have every functionality id like so I did swap, but bcdm is very easy to just plug and play compared to other stuff

[feral loom]

Is the implacable buff tracker in the CDM bugged right now? If I cast envenom while the energy recovery part of implacable is active, it stops tracking the stacking part

[pliant remnant]

Pins

(Yes)

[feral loom]

didn't know that pins existed, thanks!

[viscid spear]

[left berry]

is lost idol or withered saptors paw better?

[solar loom]

is it expected to be lower dps than other specs while leveling in midnight? ive done about 4 normals between 80-89 and am kinda sucking

[onyx coyote]

mine cranked up big time once i was 90

think its missing talents

[solar loom]

ty

i know its a kinda broad ass question but i know level scaling is kinda wonk. once i hit 90 ill be more targeted in analysis

[prime hull]

i think we are lower dps than other specs pretty much always atm

[runic hinge]

level scaling is super wonky even just if someone is 1 level different than you the meter can look completely different

[mint urchin]

Literally just turn dps meters off for leveling content, there are so many factors it's not even worth looking at

[spice condor]

no way dude, what else you supposed to be doing in leveling if you aren't parsing a 99 on quest mobs

[bitter horizon]

whats stat prio? i see people saying we run mastery crit and other say haste crit

[solar loom]

lol totally agree. just mostly using it to self evaluate to make sure i have an idea of windows n stuff for now but ya probably not worth doing it yet

ty all for the advice ❤️

[coral ibex]

agi crit haste mastery vers

[hexed lodge]

This is what we have to craft right ? I was just about to ask.

[severe meadow]

Correct

[stable pasture]

Is there an easy tier 6 delve for rogue to farm?

[severe meadow]

I can't remember which, but there's one you can completely stealth until the last boss

Where you open the cages

[stable pasture]

hmm ill try google

Is that one with the robot?

[waxen oyster]

I mean the academy one is easy

but is there any reason to farm 6s

[stable pasture]

vet crest capping?

[waxen oyster]

oh are people not past cap

[stable pasture]

ive done all m0s and all hard mode preys and no im not at cap

so surely delve is only way to cap then?

[scarlet orbit]

No

[stable pasture]

im 120/200

[scarlet orbit]

Devles dont give the crests at the moment. You can run random hard prays unlimited and farm it that way

[waxen oyster]

i feel i was at over 180 before my 0s.

[stable pasture]

but im out of hard mode preys like ive done them all, none are up and im only 120/200

wtf from what?

i mean vet crests not adventure crests

[waxen oyster]

idk did the weeklies

[stable pasture]

Yer ive done all that content

[waxen oyster]

hardmode might be the main way then

[stable pasture]

hardmode what?

[past marten]

You sure you didn't spend some?

[waxen oyster]

prey

[scarlet orbit]

There is a questline from the guy to unlock "random" hard prays you can do over and over again till your capped

[stable pasture]

spend wouldnt matter, i mean im on 120/200 this week as in earned

not spent

[waxen oyster]

University delve is pretty easy though

takes like 5 minutes

[stable pasture]

oh damn ok ill look at that

[past marten]

Full m0 and all available hard mode prey has to be more than 120/200 already

[stable pasture]

although i dont see any quest near that guy

[waxen oyster]

probably need more prey journey

[stable pasture]

nope

[waxen oyster]

maybe

[past marten]

I didn't even do all available hard mode preys and I'm at more than that

[stable pasture]

Maybe but I could do the 3 normal preys that are up I guess but didnt see point. i'm on 3/8 preys available and they are all normal

I've done weeklies, m0s, 0 delves, all hard preys

[honest needle]

so without weakauras is there soemthing to let us now if envenom is at 80 percent so we kno to let it fall off ?\

[severe meadow]

CDM displays it but it breaks, we wait patiently for fix

[stable pasture]

Only have 3 normals up now, journey looks like this, idek. Will do the delves and pray for crests i guess

[latent kernel]

Buffs top right

[stable pasture]

I havent done the special assignment in harandar, not sure if you get vet quests from that so maybe thats it

[haughty flicker]

random hunts unlock at rank 2, should be able to do those and get to rank 3

no idea how long it takes though, i didnt have that issue

[stable pasture]

man wtf

[scarlet orbit]

10 crests per hunt and it takes sub 10 min to do one with the traps

[stable pasture]

ive legit done every bit of content

[haughty flicker]

the traps are op

[stable pasture]

but normal hunts dont give vet crests

which is all ive got up now

[scarlet orbit]

are you renown lvl 2 on hunts?

[stable pasture]

yes

[honest needle]

ok do we use shiv anymore with kingsbane ?

[scarlet orbit]

Then if you talk to the npc he should have a option for you to do a random prey

[stable pasture]

oh yes i see

[scarlet orbit]

no shiv is just a sooth now except for a minor deathstalker min max

[stable pasture]

so ill just spam those i guess like 4x for cap

[gusty pumice]

Is asssination kind of a low floor but high skill ceiling spec ? seems like itd be hard to play perfectly

[balmy condor]

It’s low floor and lower ceiling

Like a weird fourth dimension thing

[tight ginkgo]

it is like that part in the "Turn Down for What" music video where the floor is crashed through and it is someone else's ceiling

[severe meadow]

We all parsing well

[tight ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-jon-party-fall-through-ceiling-turn-down-for-what-gif-9612511684038045264

this part

[balmy condor]

If you can maintain 2 bleeds and press envenom you are honest to god like more than 95% to perfect

[severe meadow]

as god intended

[gusty pumice]

damn ... thats disapointing

[waxen oyster]

cant you just earn them later on anyway

whats the real difference

[waxen oyster]

counting to 2 is hard

[haughty flicker]

2 is fine

[severe meadow]

We gotta count to 5..

[haughty flicker]

its the counting to 5 that fucks me

[honest needle]

whats the min max for shiv ?

[cunning needle]

pressing it 17 seconds in your rotation is venus is retrograde, or 13 seconds if it is not

[waxen oyster]

Probably the fact it generates one point

to meet the DN quota in scenarios

i imagine

[cunning needle]

alternatively if the moon is waxing then you do a 360 before pressing shiv

[waxen oyster]

What if the moon is 30 degrees too far right

[cunning needle]

then we call it a filthy trump supporter

[waxen oyster]

I'm going to find a hidden oil reserve under your house and come over under the pretense of democracy.

[cunning needle]

[winged gust]

guys if im not wrong, assa is not just "bleed a few then spread them with CT and then envenom/spatter" right?

[balmy condor]

easier than that

bleed one target, spread with ct, then envenom

[winged gust]

LOL

i assume envenom is on the prio target?

[balmy condor]

you're never really target swapping

so yeah

[winged gust]

that sounds a little too simple lmao, just keep the bleed on 1 target and let ct do the work

[solar wyvern]

They did intend on making classes simpler

[balmy condor]

first time in midnight?

[solar wyvern]

So here we are

[winged gust]

nah, just didnt think theyd turn assa into as brainless as this

i switched to sub just before midnight

[solar wyvern]

Ngl, s2 tww raid build

Was just as brainless

Mut envemom

Insane gameplay

[balmy condor]

it's funny cause assa is one the less changed specs in the game and everything else is also brainless if not more

[winged gust]

fair, but damn not needing stealth to spread bleeds sounds pretty nice

[gusty pumice]

so do you guys still enjoy this version ?

even if its simple ?

[plain hawk]

I miss the aoe dot from old ct.

[balmy condor]

yes

[versed mica]

Sin has always been simple. The only thing we really lost was shiv, and it was just a button we pressed after a major cd

I'd say this version of sin is a tiny but more complex, because of how pooling is now

It just has 1 less button

[solar wyvern]

I miss old ct a bit but it iss what it isss

[haughty flicker]

i miss shiv

[plain thistle]

i miss the legion poison bomb

[haughty flicker]

not for any real reason

i just miss it

[plain thistle]

[severe meadow]

You can still use it twin

[versed mica]

I kinda feel this, its been around (as toxic blade for the most part) for a long time

[haughty flicker]

deathstalker

[versed mica]

It wasn't really annoying or anything, so it feels kinda crummy losing it

[severe meadow]

A couple things have enrage in the dungeons

[haughty flicker]

oh well im not using utility so

[coral ibex]

i mentioned to my guildies that blind simply cannot be aoe anymore while doing m0's and they thought i was doing a bit

why my utility gotta suck man

[neat ice]

so no more vanishing end of kb window correct? just used for imp garrote?

[desert salmon]

Do you guys stop envenom when energy is less than 50 even impecable is not up to 4 stacks?

[balmy condor]

you can

it doesn't really matter

either your envenom will drop cause you literally can't envenom, or you drop it at max

[desert salmon]

Got it. Still confusing to learn new rotation on assa

Especially AoE 😂

[balmy condor]

it's confusing because you're thinking about it

99% of assassination problems are immediately solved when you stop overthinking it

[desert salmon]

That can't be true!!! lol

[balmy condor]

it really is

[low hare]

it kinda is...

i didnt like it at first

[balmy condor]

the vast majority of mistakes I have seen on this spec in like the last 6 years

have been people just overthinking it to shit

[low hare]

but it kinda feels better, one thing that still sucks though, is a shit tank that doesnt how to chain pull correctly

[balmy condor]

and inventing random garbage that isn't actually real

[mighty crown]

assa tldr: are my dots up and not in pandemic range? yes --> envenom

[balmy condor]

ye

[spice surge]

If assa is so simple they why did tierlist producerman put it in the most difficult tier?

[desert salmon]

Actually I feel bad when hitting dummy caculating envenom timing and saving energy for DM KB.

[low hare]

idk, ive been playing this same spec since 2 weeks after vanilla launch, i cant really speak to other classes or specs, but i find its in a pretty ok spot once u hit 90 and get ur last talent

[balmy condor]

"calculating envenom timing"

what is bro cooking

[desert salmon]

Not that hard thing.

actions.spend=envenom,if=buff.implacable_tracker.stack<4
actions.spend+=/envenom,if=energy.pct>70

Just checking these

[low hare]

i mean, i wont lie, i would kinda like a LITTLE more engergy regen, small pulls can feel a little annoying, but other than that, it just kinda works

[desert salmon]

Feel bad cdm buggy on impec

[balmy condor]

please don't read APL to learn a spec that's so stupid

like that second line exists purely for the sim to just not overcap because it's a dumb bot and needs to be told everything

[low hare]

thoughts, do you think impec should be 20% a stack vs 15? and cap at 80 still?

[balmy condor]

no wonder you're confused

[desert salmon]

Whhhhhhaaaaaaat

[balmy condor]

I don't think that difference matters for anything

[desert salmon]

I am learning and play rogue by copying simc and log site since TWW S1 and thats shocking

[balmy condor]

[low hare]

meh i just feel it would make the 80% easier to attain, not sure if i think thats good or bad, just spitballing realily

[solar wyvern]

actions.spend=whitemonster,if=buff.caffinated_tracker.stack<9
actions.spend+=/money,if=monster.pct80

[balmy condor]

do you read the dictionary to learn english as well?

[solar wyvern]

Whispyr what so u think about adding that to the apl

[desert salmon]

I learend english from discord

Still learning

[cunning needle]

tbh there are more people out there that do this than you'd expect

not me th ough because i don't get paid to read

reading blows

vibes only

[balmy condor]

idk, I can't imagine a worse way to learn a spec

like I'm trying to think

of a worse way to learn a spec

[cunning needle]

i've talked to at least 2 other people (not including this guy)

[balmy condor]

its impossible

[cunning needle]

who go "yeah i read the entire APL to understand the class rotation"

[solar wyvern]

Idk how to read apl tbh most ik is
if.energy+=/pushbutton

[balmy condor]

but why

[cunning needle]

one of them was actually somewhat competent

idk

they think theres hidden secrets in there

vs the wowhead guide

¯_(ツ)_/¯

reading something written as code also could make sense for some people

if then else

[balmy condor]

just have them try and learn havoc that way

and they will want to jump off a bridge

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

either change their ways and learn it like a normal human being

or they will suffer immensely

[cunning needle]

this implies that people who play DHs are normal human beings

[desert salmon]

Rogues don't?

[cunning needle]

we're a different breed of mental

[balmy condor]

havoc apl is nearly 400 lines

actions.fs_opener+=/essence_break,if=buff.metamorphosis.up&(!talent.inertia|buff.inertia.up&(buff.inner_demon.down|!talent.chaotic_transformation))&(buff.demonsurge_annihilation.down|!talent.chaotic_transformation)&(!variable.fs_tier34_2piece|buff.demonsurge_hardcast.up&cooldown.eye_beam.remains&buff.demonsurge_consuming_fire.down)

and it all reads like this

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

don't worry

[cunning needle]

i guarantee you that someone has read that to understand how to do their opener

[balmy condor]

AI will replace us all

right

surely

[cunning needle]

yeah AI will play the game for me

making an agent to do that right now

[storm forum]

how long is our APL?

[balmy condor]

I need AI to summarize my AI written APL

[spice surge]

This line doesnt have 4 gcd*x conditions, are you sure its from DHs?

[balmy condor]

because I can't read it anymore

[desert salmon]

Rankers calc all that things? What havoc top players doing

[balmy condor]

of course they fucking dont

it's sim APL

[balmy condor]

90 with comments

[storm forum]

sounds readable

maybe ill learn to play assa with that

[balmy condor]

sounds reasonable because I actually just wrote it myself instead of copy pasting whatever claude vomits at me

hate it here man

[haughty flicker]

[solar wyvern]

Brb putting the assa code in to chat gpt and summarizing it

There made it better for u ur welxome they call me haclerman

[haughty flicker]

has anyone submitted ai apl improvements yet

bc i can do that if you want

[balmy condor]

literally constantly

it's kind of an issue

[desert salmon]

AI Priortiy Line

[balmy condor]

it takes 15 seconds for someone who has never theorycrafted in their life to submit AI shit

[coral ibex]

bet i could do it faster

[balmy condor]

it takes an actual theorycrafter hours to look at it, get depression, refute it, and justify not adding it to the sim

[prime hull]

Yeah claude is good at coding but i imagine thats its not really trained on simc apl and wow spells so it would probably hallucinate some buff names etc

[balmy condor]

I mean it's also just

dogshit at being human

no matter what AI is used, it just starts making up some abhorrent shit that no one would ever be able to do

[young ridge]

does zoldyck make sudden demise trigger faster?

[balmy condor]

yes

[tight ginkgo]

what a relief that is restricted solely to genAI when applied to APL for simc

[balmy condor]

What a relief that only some specs are using AI and not all of them and people are apparently using APL to learn how to play a spec

[tight ginkgo]

I love sleeping easily thanks AI

[polar sail]

Is possible in class tunning add new talent or delete talent?

[balmy condor]

No

Not even a little bit

[polar sail]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-ahh-cat-gif-18079483674604869316

[low hare]

jw, im sure im not first person to ask, but why do we still take toxic stiletto over one of the other utility points?

shiv is ded no?

[desert salmon]

There is special edge case to use shiv in DS talent.

Cast shiv if you are talented into Toxic Stileto and CP is just one away from max

[hazy sundial]

do you think there is a chance of buffs like CT spreading bleeds on 3 or 4 targets instead of 2? Or like implacable buff duration 5s -> 12s? Or is it just gonna be numbers?

[mint urchin]

Likely just numbers but buff durations maaaaybe

[lime onyx]

Second one sounds like a nerf to me, needing to wait 12 secs to envenom just for some energy regen

[hazy sundial]

80% energy boost to last 12s instead of 5s?

[lime onyx]

Tbh I think only buffs we need are pure numbers to reach around 100-105k dps in sims (where I think they’re trying to tune everyone to). Kit feels fine as is. Any more regen and the pooling idea they’re going for is completely moot.

[balmy condor]

No

Our AoE is already strong, and CT is already far too strong

Most likely thing is an aura buff and some more single target buffs like poison application damage or something. Could also expect a CT nerf alongside a fok buff

But CT buff is never happening

That would truly cement blizzard as being clueless

Implacable buff I could see

But it might get buffed to 100% or like 8 seconds

12 is crazy

[fringe spear]

A while ago but, i dont get how anyone uses ai for apl, its always so atrocious

I can tell it to do something incredibly straightforward and it'll still fail at that half the time

[scarlet topaz]

Are there any lists on what random wq trinkets are decent?

until i manage to snag an emberwing and vessel

[rugged basalt]

Being able to track it will be their aura buff

[rugged basalt]

I’m not sure about how good they are, but one slot could be the champ trinket we get from renown 7 voidstorm
Drum of renewed bonds sounded like a good wq trinket but I don’t know what else wqs drop

[grim jay]

Vessel is kinda annoying ngl

The loa themed one is pretty good

As far as wq trinkets go

[proper jewel]

Ngl some light energy regen or Apex buff is all it teally needs. And perhaps let me track mutilate in the cooldown manager regardless of wether i have blindside talented or not

[grim jay]

Why would you want to track mutilate

Also the energy stuff is kinda subjective, many like it as slow as it is

[static glacier]

My guess it would be for when they proc blindside they might pool less? Like if you proc 3 back to back blindsides you’re going to barely wait to envenom or risk energy overflow

You’re not wrong though no real need to track it

[grim jay]

That might be a reason ig, but ye kinda just overcomplicating it

[static glacier]

Ye, energy bar says enough anyway

[primal jolt]

anyone got a clue for dps diff with and without using vanish in dps rotation

st

if its not a major loss id rather keep it defensively

[golden loom]

in what context would you use vanish as a defensive?

[primal jolt]

besides the point

[grim jay]

Depends tbf, if you dont need to keep it and you lose dps, you are kinda just griefing

For the dps diff you could just remove the talent point for garr and put it into smth ST neutral

And take it for a quick sim

[primal jolt]

the sims have a big queue

so i came here

and my premium expired

[golden loom]

problem is that you still lose 30 seconds of improved garrote during your opener CDS there

which is big

[grim jay]

The answer in here has a big queue aswell, because probably only Whispyr has the answer

[grim jay]

Doubt its big enough to make or break the decision tbf

[primal jolt]

I don't mind using it I've been using it for the past idk how long

[golden loom]

well its a weird one, cause in raid you would never vanish defensively cause what does that do

or there is no defensive value there other than dropping aggro but if you have aggro something already went crazy wrong 😄

[grim jay]

There are cases where you can play a mechanic with vanish

Or rather avoid it

But those are rare

[primal jolt]

ye im so big dick i vanish to reset aggro

TRUE

[balmy condor]

fuck you

[golden loom]

root break I guess but

idk its a 2 min offensive CD with niche situations you can use it defensively I guess

[grim jay]

But why

[grim jay]

Yeah most defensive use cases are more on the m+ side if anything

[balmy condor]

it's one talent big dawg take an educated guess

why must I suffer on my own with this stupid "I can't stealth" shit

you can suffer as well

2 vanish casts a fight, each imp gar lasts 30 seconds

[red schooner]

Taking an educated guess requires me to be educated

[balmy condor]

that's 1 minute out of 5 minutes

20% uptime on 50% extra garrote damage

is 10% garrote damage

throw in a couple % extra for deathmark

make it 15%

garrote does ~7300 dps

losing around what, fucking 800? 900? dps

it got an extra 0.6 envenoms in

that I didn't account for

[primal jolt]

that's big

[balmy condor]

yeah like half a percent

[primal jolt]

that's what's makes a difference between a twink and a alpha male chad right there

therefore I'll keep vanishing

but tyvm whisper

very cool

[rugged basalt]

I didn’t know you could use vanish defensively

LMAO

[balmy condor]

it can mess with charges and stuff

like sometimes it'll cause a targeted ability to fizzle

[plush umbra]

or more likely, cause it to retarget to someone else and then fuck over the group 😄

[rugged basalt]

I’ve been trying to line it with dm but.,.,. I’m precious I just be naturally stealthing and forgetting I have vanish at all sometimes

[balmy condor]

well that's why "sometimes"

[plush umbra]

yeah, just want to caution against just randomly vanishing mechanics

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean I'm ngl, outside of bosses where you're getting a second deathmark it's just kinda pointless

[cunning needle]

i can't believe whispyr is still having to justify vanish in <current year>

[rugged basalt]

I haven’t reset a boss in days

[balmy condor]

I think unironically sims for dungeonslice are vanishing on the boss and for chain pulls and that is literally it

it's like 2.5 casts in 6 minutes

[rugged basalt]

Grumble grumble moving mark grumble death talking

[balmy condor]

can't move the mark with vanish anymore

[rugged basalt]

yea that’s what I was grumbling about

[balmy condor]

you could also just play fatebound

[rugged basalt]

Does it matter at all in lower keys at all or does it vary only moving higher?

[balmy condor]

fatebounds probably better in low keys

[rugged basalt]

I haven’t really struggled yet as a casual but I’m also rolling my face on the keyboard during pulls

I’ll try fb after all

[balmy condor]

fb is the faceroll hero talent

[autumn magnet]

Whispyr, is there a OT Channel (that you are in), or when are you streaming? I wanna ask your opinion about the D4 Boss-XP Nerf, because they nerfed Pit XP last season, now they nerf Boss XP, so we don't have really strong ways to get the Paragon-Level up?

[balmy condor]

#1113806620988809216 exists but to my knowledge you're going to get a ton of exp from the butchers in infernal hordes, and your jewelery can have bloodied affixes with 15% exp each for a total of 45% increased exp

so that's probably the new exp farm

[autumn magnet]

nice thank you

[balmy condor]

the killstreak exp seems good too

[grim jay]

I'm more of an emotional support guy

I totally share your pain and cheer you up when you are at your lowest

[rancid anvil]

This might be a dumb question but when we are doing our rotation and building the implacable stacks to 80% are we holding 5+ combo points till envenom buff is about to drop off. Or are we spamming globals as quick as possible and ignoring how long envenom buff is on us?