assassination

[balmy condor]

I’m not losing my shit over it

But sub is legit full pad

That’s the other extreme and clearly bad

[indigo mulch]

Imma be honest, i have not played DS sin in m0's more than 1 or maybe 2 dungeons. 😒

[ocean shell]

Is it DS again for M+ for assa in S1?

[indigo mulch]

I would assume DS is the way to go for m+, for m0 i don't really think it matters. ;D

[jolly stirrup]

FB is iirc just a minimal loss and a MASSIVR qol gain

[balmy condor]

FB is better overall

[ocean shell]

yea, fuck tracking the mark tbh

[balmy condor]

But like

Here’s my dilemma right

You might be able to convince me

If wowhead says fatebound is best, because of QoL and it being 3-4% better overall

But no one in the top 100 io score is going to play fatebound

Do I say fatebound is best or deathstalker is best

[ocean shell]

flip a coin...?

[plush lion]

Leveling 80-90 as assassination is a dumb idea aye

[midnight viper]

Fatebound cause most people going to wowhead won’t be pushing for top 100 io

[jolly stirrup]

[ocean shell]

Yea, but ppl will be mad that wowhead is "wrong"

[eternal quail]

schrodinger's spec

[balmy condor]

Exactly

That’s the cute

Insanely cute problem

[indigo mulch]

I like when people are mad. I can eat popcorn and see everyone bring their pitchfork to stab whispyr.

[ocean shell]

idk, I would put FB as best and add a disclaimer

ppl who don't read will be happy

[balmy condor]

No one reads those

[ocean shell]

that's the point

it's plausible deniability

[balmy condor]

Yeah but the people who don’t read are the ones that open archon like brainless dumbasses

And then go

[ocean shell]

and ppl who do can be angry, but thats like 3% of pop

[balmy condor]

BUT DEATHSTALJER??

ME READ ARCHON???

DS???

[jolly stirrup]

Ok but why do top 100 people use a hero Talent that is 3-4% worse?

[balmy condor]

Fucking idiots

[indigo mulch]

I still remember the days in dragonflight people where accusing whispyr of sandbaging sims so we wouldn't get nerfed.

[ocean shell]

cuz it's more funnel

[indigo mulch]

Good ol days.

[balmy condor]

Singular focus and evasion defensive

[jolly stirrup]

Soooo, more ST damage for prio, and more defensive on the loss of aoe damage?

[indigo mulch]

Prio dmg > pad damage and the evasion defensive is really really good in high keys. Prob even needed.

[eternal quail]

just refuse to mention which one is better and have super vague answers saved to your clipboard to throw at people

[indigo mulch]

its 8:21 in the morning and i'm really craving a schnitzel with potatos 🙁

[ocean shell]

Don't let your dreams be dreams man

[indigo mulch]

but like.. i know i'm not hungry for it, i just really want it.

[eternal quail]

and a squeeze of lemon?

[indigo mulch]

Of course?

[balmy condor]

Fatebound is more ST, deathstalker is better once you get like 7-8+ targets

But then you get prio

[jolly stirrup]

Congrats, you are pregnant

[balmy condor]

So even on like 3-4 targets deathstalker is more prio damage

[indigo mulch]

Oh noes. not again.

1 daughter is enough.

[jolly stirrup]

Got it

[jolly stirrup]

Surely she wants a smol brother or sister

[indigo mulch]

Prob, but her father does not want to deal with that.

[jolly stirrup]

'

[ocean shell]

Anyway, I think you should put FB build with cheat death as the main M+ recommendation because when I was on my healing rat last season, I ran into an assa rogue who clearly just lifted the wowhead build, but he never pressed feint once in the dungeon and died because he stepped in shit

[indigo mulch]

That would be me!

[ocean shell]

bro healing 6s is legit harder than 14s

[indigo mulch]

I don't heal in wow. :C

[balmy condor]

That was my thought too

[indigo mulch]

I must say though, playing healer in like FF and Fellowship is a lot more fun.

[ocean shell]

yea, it's almost as if having the choice/option to dps when you don't have to heal is more engaging smh

[indigo mulch]

I mean in FF your're expected to deal damage. If you don't they get grumpy

[ocean shell]

I feel if healers can do like 60% of a DPS it should be ok

i think the problem is then when you outdps bad players in 6s they go complain on wow forums

[mint urchin]

To be fair that games dps checks are designed with healer dmg in mind

[indigo mulch]

Yup, and its great. I love it.

[ocean shell]

but it's a matter of tuning, and I kinda get why blizz wouldn't want to deal with it

[indigo mulch]

Prob D:

[wooden timber]

ff healer is not fun

12111111111112

so cool we love broil

[ocean shell]

but muh damage numbers

[wooden timber]

energy drain for a whole 100 potency! wow!

im popping off!!

[woven hound]

just quickly on the sudden demise discussion: it says on wowhead outside of low-level dungeons. if i'm only doing max +2's is SD still worse?

[indigo mulch]

God i love it!

That extra 100 potency

[balmy condor]

BROIL? BRAZILIAN OIL? OIL? IN SOUTH AMERICA???

🦅 🦅 🦅

[wooden timber]

omw

[indigo mulch]

Aren't you busy doing wars in other parts of the world?

[spiral warren]

🇺🇸⚡

[balmy condor]

If you’re doing +2’s you can do whatever you want tbh, sudden demise will make your cock bigger on the meter, but the damage it does is just pad and you’re gonna do less boss damage

So

Big cock? Yes play sd

Actually speedrunning your +2’s? Nah

[woven hound]

yeah super casual and just want to see big numbers on the meter

[indigo mulch]

BUT PAD DAMAGE IS THE COOL STUFF

Who cares about the actual useful damage, that dosen't show up on my overall.

[balmy condor]

True

[woven hound]

appreciate it! ❤️

[indigo mulch]

Maybe i should give outlaw a honest try this season

[ocean shell]

I was thinking that too, but is outlaw ever going to be useful in prog environment?

[indigo mulch]

But everytime i walk into the outlaw channel i'm scared someone will take my lunch money.

No.

I mean

[plush lion]

Did anyone level 80-90 as assassination? how was it? (how does it compare to sub or outlaw)

[balmy condor]

Was great

[ocean shell]

I think sub is better for lvling

[indigo mulch]

If you're not a world first raider.

[ocean shell]

delete shit with dance+sec tech

[indigo mulch]

play w/e

[balmy condor]

Sudden demise was cranking during leveling

[indigo mulch]

I actually levled sub.

It was to juicy just hopping on them

[plush lion]

Thats good to hear, I'll give it a try

[woven hound]

would you still play fatebound on that SD build you shared or deathstalker?

[ocean shell]

just be sure to run DS on dungeon runs while leveling so you understand why you don't run that talent in M+

[balmy condor]

If you’re gonna troll by playing sd in dungeons you might as well play fatebound so you don’t want to fully kill yourself

Deathstalker is cock and ball torture

[ocean shell]

what? i thought everyone liked randomly losing mark and never getting it back

[balmy condor]

But it’s only for prio damage, and then you’re also talenting out of all your prio damage

That’s double cock and ball torture

That’s getting your dick stepped on but the chick ain’t even hot

[woven hound]

understood, that's the context i was looking for, thanks!

[light quarry]

New meta??

[balmy condor]

would be sick

sub rogues watching assa players going fatebound with sudden demise and losing all their prio damage

LOOK WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO MATCH A FRACTION OF OUR POWER

[plush lion]

In AoE, after dotting up 1 mob with garotte and rupture and spreading with crimson tempest, is my combo spender envenom?

[light quarry]

Make it happen sir, sounds lovely

[balmy condor]

yes

you CT -> env spam until everything is dotting

then you fok -> env spam

[light quarry]

As someone who has not read the guide yet is mutilate irrelevant in aoe now

[plush lion]

with deathmark, do I need to reapply garrote or rupture?

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

no

[plush lion]

So against an elite or boss it would be garrote, rupture, deathmark, kingsbane and then mix between mutilate and envenom

[zinc frost]

Normally a paid service, I'm in

[plush lion]

does tempest spread kingsbane or deathmark?

[golden loom]

no

[runic hinge]

No but that would be sick

[golden loom]

it spreads rupture and garrote

[balmy condor]

an elite with no adds?

or what is this situation

[plush lion]

uhh just an elite monster, if there are adds does it change?

like if its 2 target or 3 target

[light quarry]

[balmy condor]

well if there's 2 targets you wouldn't press mutilate

[golden loom]

adds would mean crimson tempest to spread bleeds and fan of knives afterwards

[plush lion]

so if its 2 targets or more its always fan of knives after spreading with tempest and then envenom

with deathmark and kingsbane on the bigger monster

[balmy condor]

yep

yep

bleeds and cooldowns on the biggest fucker you can find

generate with ct to spread -> fok otherwise -> mut in single target

spam envenom

gg that's assa

[plush lion]

oh nice

[golden loom]

cant wait for season to actually start cause I have not played assa yet, just been playing sub cause that spec is actually fun now aswell

[plush lion]

while leveling/questing, should I just do rupture even if low combo points?

or should i try get higher combo points first

[golden loom]

just always finish on 5+, good to build the habit

[plush lion]

ah okay

[balmy condor]

yeah

never less than 5

less than 5 and you lose a fuck ton of damage

[real pike]

I'm rupturing very little while levelling/questing

Usually the mob dies quick enough to just envenom

Except elites

[sharp viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[boreal lichen]

If I have 5-7 cp but some mobs in the aoe pull don’t have garrote+rapture do I press envonom or crimson tempest to spread more bleeds?

[eternal quail]

env

[idle roost]

ok ive done all mm0, and i can say assa sucks atm lol

[plush lion]

really?

[spiral warren]

Just blizzard nerfing to make us swap spec 🔥

[idle roost]

sadly yes, we use way too much energy to spread dots, and makes optimal not using spender when max combos to keep spreading

or they make we recoup energy faster on big pulls, or up the cap of 2 spread per tempest, or idk

[subtle tundra]

i agree

it just feels bad

aoe should be a drug, overdose in energy

i really liked the contrast in apm between ST and AOE before

[idle roost]

i mean if we are no better at aoe than any other class, and we are a 5/10 in single, we pretty much are doomed, my rl already took rogues out of the roster lol

[subtle tundra]

but alas i dont play the game so i dont matter!

[subtle tundra]

sub is always good for a week or two then assa gets buffed and assa is good

and sub is... very not difficult ive heard

[idle roost]

i hope we get some fixes on the 17th

[heavy reef]

but then what specs do they want us to play? sub? outlaw?

[strange onyx]

What level you raiding at?

[subtle tundra]

play whatever you want bby

guys just level 4 characters and play whatever is best

[idle roost]

im talking about the mythic roster

and no i wont level 4 characters lol

[real pike]

Unless you're like hof+ he should just be playing his best players

[strange onyx]

Your raid leader is actually stupid if he takes rogue out, like sub ain’t even that bad. But maybe just excuse to bench a bad player(s)? 🤔

[light quarry]

But if u dont need the raid buff there are better choices sooo

[idle roost]

ok i might be bad then

i only cleared half mythic raid last patch but atleast id get invited T_T

[light quarry]

Rosters are irrelevant unless ur like top 100

RLs care to much about classes and not players

[idle roost]

but numbers wise makes seanse to not use rogues atm

[light quarry]

for top guilds yes

But even then, some bosses might need the DR

[idle roost]

using best clases makes fights easier

hmm i guess, ill just turn off dps meter addon for now lol

[light quarry]

or do more dam

[idle roost]

i tried but seems pretty limited atm

[light quarry]

[idle roost]

no biggie, just wanted to share my opinion on current assa stuff, if im the only one feeling like this then is a me problem im sure

[balmy condor]

not playing a guardian druid for pre-season m0's

unlucky

[strange onyx]

I’d rather have a guy on a class is comfortable on than doing some shitty fotm reroll and be bad

I played assa last tier when everyone was on the sub did completely fine

[azure carbon]

Straight up play what's fun and what you enjoy.

Even in HoF guilds good players play off meta stuff.

So long as your numbers are numbers are competitive, you aren't staring at the floor often from being dead, and you do mechanics - you'll find a raid spot.

[violet tusk]

Im having alot of fun as sin in all content. Is it the most op ever now no, but do i have fun yes. Im in a CE guild but not HoF and we are allowed to play whatever aslong as we perfom.

[balmy condor]

good player playing the spec they love > any fotm reroll shitter

every day of the week

the dumbest most lobotomized players I have ever met in this game have one thing in common, they're fotm rerollers

[orchid moth]

I play fotm cos im shit

[balmy condor]

every single one

[violet tusk]

Exept if they play ugly as owl balance becuse they clearly have problems irl

[orchid moth]

My feels hurt

[balmy condor]

something about meta chasing for big dps numbers just disintegrates all mass in their frontal lobes

has to be studied

[idle roost]

i think thats a bit too much man

[balmy condor]

I think it's not far enough actually

[idle roost]

i never attacked anyone

[balmy condor]

it is incredibly rare to find a fotm reroller that is actually capable of fotm rerolling without being a literal dumbass

INSANELY rare

[shell plaza]

most ppl here are not even in a rank 50 guild, why care sooo much about the best and optimal spec etc if you gonna hate playing it

[light quarry]

The average fotm reroller is insanely bad

[azure carbon]

The worst guilds I've ever been in were all meta chasing big pumpers that struggled to progress despite having a roster full of purple+ parsing DPS.

I'm with whispyr 100%.

[balmy condor]

it can be done, for sure

[idle roost]

i ssume then that im the only want looking forward for some kind of buff pre raid ?

[balmy condor]

RWF players do it all the time

but like

the 99.99% of rerollers

are just insanely shit at the game

you cannot learn a new spec fast enough to adjust to the meta

it's simply not possible for people who have a life

[idle roost]

i disagree with the current simplification of all specs

[shell plaza]

assa was always on the easier side tho

in raids

[light quarry]

Specs arent simple enough still to be able to adapt so fast for fotm rerolls tho

[orchid moth]

If you guys dont play assasin then you are bad because its my fav spec

[balmy condor]

true and real

[strange onyx]

Yup

[opal dagger]

But outlaw sound design is so cool 🙁

[orchid moth]

I dont care its my fav spec

[stuck knoll]

Most people are able to pick up a class and play the very basics especially full focusing on it but doing that isn’t really the same as playing it well

[balmy condor]

I can purple parse on outlaw if it's on a target dummy

I promise

[stuck knoll]

Real and true

[strange onyx]

I can purple log based on whispyr’s purple log on a target dummy as outlaw

[orchid moth]

If Blizz dont make assasin the best rogue spec they got problems

[stuck knoll]

[balmy condor]

now that would be impressive

[idle roost]

i see there is no genuine talk going, then again i have no enemies here ill just leave, cheers

[stuck knoll]

? I responded

[orchid moth]

Thats how it works here

[balmy condor]

damn

[lucid spoke]

saying that with this sentence bfore is wild

[balmy condor]

I feel so bad now

isne

or ishne

[light quarry]

Whispyr evil little man

[balmy condor]

I thought we had something but he's gone......

[light quarry]

We lost him, he rerolled ret 😭

[balmy condor]

no, he rerolled fotm

he's playing guardian

[light quarry]

[balmy condor]

and he's not letting you restealth

if he ever sees me in a dungeon

[light quarry]

Its so over

[balmy condor]

I'm fucked

[opal dagger]

And will ask for a pre raid buff or he will delete ret discord ?

[stuck knoll]

Bro rerolled class discords

[light quarry]

Nice green locs inc whyspir

[stuck knoll]

That’s crazy

[balmy condor]

I got 5 quid on "the rogue discord is so toxic"

followed by some dad in the new disc going

"yeah they got poisons, that's their thing"

and then no one caring

[light quarry]

[strange onyx]

You never say such nice thing about me

[lucid spoke]

sry but thats good one

[balmy condor]

if I had a nickle every time I heard it, I would be a rich man

[azure carbon]

Idk. I've gotten CE too many times on guilds with dog shit comps to think tuning matters that much.

100% play what's fun. It's a game after all, it's supposed to be fun.

Unless you're like RWF territory.

[balmy condor]

but I don't get a nickle for hearing the joke

so I'm stuck here

[lucid spoke]

unlucky wish u nickles of the world

[balmy condor]

my guild unironically peaked our WR running 2 rogues, feral, and hunter that mained survival and had to be convinced to play bm every fight because we were running like 35 melee and 2 ranged

[light quarry]

When will sub and assa be able to use swords so i dont have to feel bad about wanting to play outlaw

[balmy condor]

true

[shell plaza]

whispyr atm

[balmy condor]

that shit is actually aids

ragebait works on me all the time actually

I just ragebait back

and they usually fold before I do

[lucid spoke]

u can use sword mainhand sub

[light quarry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1309252033378783293/1463379852622037256/IMG_3812.gif

[stuck knoll]

Your ability as a raider matters 80 times more than whatever you play

[balmy condor]

I saw the star before I clicked you can't get me

I'm un-gettable

[light quarry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/695700549747736678/1096549543778205776/voicemessage.gif

[balmy condor]

pre-cloaked

NOPE

CANT DO IT

[light quarry]

fake

[balmy condor]

TOO POWERFUL

[light quarry]

My stats showed u clicked it

[balmy condor]

I'm specced deathstalker and I have you marked

and now I can't leave

we're married

[light quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/made-up-making-things-up-misinformation-spreading-misinformation-lying-gif-5615616319157116451

Time for me to reroll fotm so u break up with me

[orchid moth]

You are an ass rogue you are not even powerful

[balmy condor]

[light quarry]

Im feral by heart

To bad feral playstyle is turbo crazy dooky rn

[strange onyx]

I am rouge asseinatyon, rouge

[balmy condor]

are they snapshottin that shit

[balmy condor]

gesundheit

[light quarry]

They snapshottin themselves irl it seems

Its so bad

[shrewd night]

[strange onyx]

They like you with a monster energy can. They chomp

[light quarry]

First tier since wrath where i wont have a feral geared 😭

[strange onyx]

Whispyr eats can, you heard it here first

[balmy condor]

the aluminum hurts my teeth

I don't eat the cans because I like it

I eat the cans to send a message

[light quarry]

Cans fear whispyr

[shrewd night]

Played feral in m0 world tour, BOY AM I LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR 40% AURA BUFF

[balmy condor]

could be worse, you could be playing boomkin

[light quarry]

dmg isnt even bad on feral, its just playstyle is turbo dooky

[shrewd night]

Real

Fuck boomies

[light quarry]

Its like the worst shit ever

[orchid moth]

im 90% rogue but mostly a feral druid

[balmy condor]

I was keeping up with our boomkin during m0's

except he was in cds

and I wasn't

[lucid spoke]

scroll up ur a assa

what now?

[orchid moth]

oh yeah

[balmy condor]

nah tizz got the red name

he's one of us

[lucid spoke]

we got a traitor

[strange onyx]

An assa* this discord is toxic

Please use proper grammar

[balmy condor]

a bitta propa gramma mate

[strange onyx]

Or else they might flame you and tell you to play what you want

[lucid spoke]

oh shit thx 4 advice

[shrewd night]

Our boomie was Guardian during the world tour. Damage out of this world on st

Smile

[balmy condor]

some say this is the most insulting thing imagineable on the internet

[azure carbon]

I mean even then - there's so much focus on parses - people forget it's about not dying.

1000s of guilds get CE with a roster 90% full of green and blue parses.

[balmy condor]

he was considering it

and then I played sub for fun in like the last 4 dungeons

and he was losing his fucking mind

[light quarry]

https://youtu.be/ye5bQHGVvow?is=RI_ol0TpuMzR6iW_ my peak assa career

[balmy condor]

my goat

[strange onyx]

Play what you find fun bud, don’t feel like you need to play sub if you like assa

[balmy condor]

unironically he's nicer to you in that clip than he has ever been to me

[light quarry]

naowh got me banned

He bricked my academy and got me banned

[balmy condor]

fuck

got me

[strange onyx]

1 point to Archon

[orchid moth]

Anyway i thought fotm was devour

[strange onyx]

Who told you that?

[orchid moth]

The numbers

[balmy condor]

we just gotta pass the ball a little more, control the pitch. I think we're playing a good game so far but it's just a lack of focus, we're going to take this halftime here to clear our head, regroup, play a better game the second half, thanks

[balmy condor]

the numbers right now is everything that isn't demo lock is bad, and guardian druid is a close second

[shy axle]

[light quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/criminal-puppy-dog-hood-sneaky-gif-4402280083731926360

[snow tundra]

Hi! Came here to know your feeling about sin. I main this spec since wod and it's the first time i had to go for sub. I don't know if it's the slow energy regen or something else but i have a hard time playing this spec atm. (Sorry for my bad english it's not my main language)

[balmy condor]

The slow energy is intended

[subtle tundra]

m m m m meow

[balmy condor]

But we like that here

[subtle tundra]

go aheas reroll

[light quarry]

assa feels really good in keys atleast

[subtle tundra]

we will catch you back here when assa gets 20% aura buff

you will also catch these hands

[light quarry]

[orchid moth]

I dont think it's really worth swapping to Sub if you enjoyed it for so long there is very little difference between sin and sub right now

and they will be tuning in a few weeks

[light quarry]

U couldve been arms

Assa looking great compared to that thing

[subtle tundra]

facts man

i cant believe it they nailed it

[light quarry]

Yeah

[orchid moth]

Once you ramp your dmg up in assasin imo thinks it performs better than sub

[subtle tundra]

what ramp bro im crine

son

'tis the fastest assa done do damage

[snow tundra]

Is assa really close to sub? Looks like i deal a lot more damage as sub in m0, maybe because the trash die too fast?

[orchid moth]

From my exp sub just has better burst

[snow tundra]

And maybe i lack haste too

[subtle tundra]

i lack brain too

[stuck knoll]

Agreed (I had a meeting pop up I forgot after I replied) that’s what I meant most of the bosses dps check wise are already kinda piss easy by the time WR 100-200 guilds get there doing perfect optimal damage for comp or even log wise is rarely if ever needed

[subtle tundra]

real rogues rerolled hunter already

[orchid moth]

We can tell you rolled hunter

[subtle tundra]

i can tell you a hater

grow up

[orchid moth]

ok

i will

[subtle tundra]

outlaw player

[orchid moth]

fine i will play outaw

[subtle tundra]

meow?

[dim yacht]

is something horribly wrong with sin right now, or am i just doing really really really badly? got beat in a m0 by a mage with a 180 weapon, when i have a crafted 259. surely im just doing something horridly horridly wrong?

[azure carbon]

I think sub better than sin - I also like sub more so I'm biased - but I think sin good once things live a long time.

I still think sub better in pure aoe or cleave. But Sin will be better and better as things stay alive.

[light quarry]

I think sub stinks and assa is way cooler and better transmogs

[subtle tundra]

yes it doesnt have the 20% aura buff yet

they said they will do that on the 17th

[abstract mica]

Sounds like you are doing something wrong by your own admission

[distant plinth]

Go sub u will beat everyone

[dim yacht]

im just at a loss how i can be going so horridly wrong

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/loss-loss-comic-ctrl-alt-dlt-dungeon-meshi-delicious-in-dungeon-gif-4484907902956874947

[light quarry]

if u reroll warlock u will also beat everyone

[abstract mica]

You can’t totally fall asleep at the wheel in dungeons unlike sub

[subtle tundra]

yeah wtf is up with sub

no symbols and no rupture

its like they fucking castrated the spec

[distant plinth]

Sub is hidden OP

[subtle tundra]

what the helly

[distant plinth]

Mark my words

[subtle tundra]

no balls aaaah spec

[abstract mica]

Sub is our DH spec

[subtle tundra]

became sub frfrfrrfrfr

[azure carbon]

Sub has a decent amount of depth, tbh.

Didn't expect it, but there's layers. The Apex talent is pretty sweet.

[light quarry]

sub is the new bm hunter

Anyone can play it

[subtle tundra]

what does it do?

also

whats an apex talent?

[light quarry]

screen go black i go brrr

[lethal arrow]

Sub really turned into the crayon eater spec

[orchid moth]

Every spec did xD

[golden loom]

we already were 2 rogues, but now our DK also rerolled to rogue

so we will be 3

[golden loom]

and now im playing it cause its fun

[subtle tundra]

i was also playing it back in Shadowlands when it was Shuriken storm -> black powder in aoe

and nothing else

;3 ;3 ;3

[spice surge]

Idk people say this but theres definitely stuff you play around

Sure you won't be griefing by vibe playing it compared to tww

[subtle tundra]

yeah well you better give me a link so i can read that stuff

otherwise..

[abstract mica]

Every nuance to sub is solved in a macro

[orchid moth]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TlMn8lIbZpE

[balmy condor]

I will not be making 6 dance macros tyvm

[spice surge]

You need 1

But sure

[balmy condor]

Maybe you need 1

I need none

I’m better

[golden loom]

this + dance/tech = 2 macros wtf crayon spec???

[balmy condor]

You have to macro cut the grass over British petroleum?

doomed

[golden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/dawgontheridinlawnmower-dawg-on-the-lawnmower-dog-on-the-lawn-mower-dogontheridinlawnmower-cluft-gif-8791157356312303975

[stuck knoll]

I feel like it’s simple to play if you don’t want to optimise other parts of it but has some minmax if you care

[stuck knoll]

Please censor the B word

[spice surge]

Ye instead of being unplayable if you don't minmax like in tww

[balmy condor]

Sorry bitch it won’t happen again

[stuck knoll]

Thanks pookie

[distant plinth]

Whuuut going from DK to rogue?🤣 is he ok

[orchid moth]

Thats what i thought 😄

[golden loom]

well he played dk for the whole of tww, and it doesnt change going from s3 -> midnight

so he was bored of it

[stuck knoll]

Unholy changed quite a lot tbf

[golden loom]

ye frost stayed the same tho

[distant plinth]

Shesh

Well well 2 rogues on bench then hohoho

[golden loom]

not likely

its not like DK brought anything special outside of dimmy

so rogue rogue or rogue dk is the same on most fights

[stuck knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-xqc-gambling-addict-777-gif-25803752

The numbers

[distant plinth]

DKs bring mega dam, while rogues bring DR and 0 dam

Haha

We will grt buffed to the moon

[golden loom]

I mean thats all relative to tuning and whatever

[orchid moth]

Deathgrip, Amz? 😄

[distant plinth]

@balmy condor pin this

Mark my words

[balmy condor]

Imagine if atrophic stacked again….again….. again

[distant plinth]

Rogue meta

[balmy condor]

If the undid the fixing of the undid fix that they undid

Or uh

Atrophic stack v4

[stuck knoll]

[golden loom]

hes good at doing dam, I am good at doing dam so thats probably enough

again at WR 800-1k its not gonna make a difference, you bring the players

[balmy condor]

Blizzards versioning is so dogshit that atrophic kept stacking again and again

Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s back to stacking again

[golden loom]

also 2 rogues is good, you get both atro and numbing

[stuck knoll]

Welp hopefully they don’t undo that because we only have 1 rogue

Everyone has 18 alts and I am still the only rogue

[balmy condor]

Unironically on some fights this is crazy tank survival

[golden loom]

yeah I mean I think we had curse of weakness assigned on dimmy

could've been a 2nd rogue

[balmy condor]

Sludgefist without numbing

Was hell

[worldly carbon]

which potion is better for assassination? icy veins says recklessness but wowhead says light's potential. I've already specced my alchemy into void potions do I need to respec now?

[vestal wren]

i would like to buy "no parry for your raid team" for subtlety again

[balmy condor]

Recklessness is the giga secondary one?

They nerfed it pretty hard like 2 weeks before launch, most everyone is doing lights potential

[worldly carbon]

yes the one who buffes your main secondary stat and nerfs your lowest secondary

ah i see, thanks 😅

[runic hinge]

Bonkles rogue

[balmy condor]

I think they’re close though

If you wanna use reck go for it

Probably also depends a fair bit on your gear

If you’re mastery highest stat cause you’re in random m0 gear

Reckless is probably shit

[worldly carbon]

i'm thinking more about whenever i'm gonna want lots of r2 potions when raiding

[stuck knoll]

Yep I am back

[worldly carbon]

but i'm gonna put points into light alchemy anyway at some point

might as well start early xD

[balmy condor]

Using a r2 pot at all is gonna be better than minmaxing which tbh

Also who knows

Maybe tuning will fuck everything over

[stuck knoll]

Blizzard would never

[balmy condor]

Except the 374 confirmed times they have

No one fools me 375 times

[cinder mountain]

fool me once shame on you, fool me 375 times shame on me

[stuck knoll]

This is the time

[lucid spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/check-this-out-nick-zetta-olivia-zetta-basically-homeless-take-a-look-gif-21792501

[stuck knoll]

Fool me 375 times can’t get fooled again

[quaint sequoia]

Only me that hate how sin feels in m0's this week?

so slow with the reduced energy regen in aoe

[sullen bramble]

no, i switched to sub because i feel like i'm constantly starved as assa

[astral pine]

I swapped to assa because it feels so unfun playing sub now

I feel like I could have a catastrophic stroke mid pull and still not lose any dps as sub

[real pike]

It was only multiplicative though right

[sullen bramble]

this is very accurate, it's dull

[quaint sequoia]

awesome

I just want my dps to go burr

[hidden robin]

i like sin rogue

coming from frost dk, fury, and ret

it's so chill

i just apply my dots

then sit back n relax

[lethal turtle]

Let’s your brain cpu focus on game

[subtle tundra]

meow

[strange onyx]

I play assenatyon rouge for community

[indigo mulch]

Woff

[hidden robin]

i like sneaking and stabbing

epic class fantasy

[subtle tundra]

i like jacking off, any spec for me?

meow meow meow

[hidden robin]

idk, ret?

[subtle tundra]

ive played ret

quite the wanker spec

[sullen bramble]

how are peoiple tracking implacable right now? i see the pin

[hidden robin]

u could just use one button rotation

and pull up whatever on ur 2nd monitor

spec plays itself

[strange onyx]

I am here to keep Whispyr in check

[lethal turtle]

Whispyr pees peach monster

[plain hawk]

Meow

[hidden robin]

went searching for this for you

[tall jay]

So, implacable…are we supposed to be playing around this ie a mini game or what? Like do we make it hit 80…pool, and let it run out and do it again? I’m confused on this .

[hearty seal]

thanks I was looking for this pasta as well

[hidden robin]

🤝

i gotchu

[strange onyx]

He eats the cans. Biggest concern atm

[strange onyx]

You described it perfectly what you are to do! 😅💪

[tall jay]

Oh cool

I’m a learner of the ways of the Whispyr I guess

I red gud

🙂

[hidden robin]

i don't even know what it does

i clicked the talent point but

i just play the spec and hope it works

[severe meadow]

You don’t know what the apex does?

[strange onyx]

His acting cool in front of us

[severe meadow]

I see

[storm forum]

I wish I had an addon that would tell me every time I pressed envenom at 80 stacks by playing a random Gordon Ramsey insult.

[severe meadow]

Just pay someone to watch you play and yell at you

[subtle tundra]

never actually had a wank mid raid, maybe i should come back and try it with how slow assa is

[storm forum]

My next LFG post:

LF anyone with a cool accent that wants to yell at me every time I don't afk properly

[weary stump]

You can compete with your raids ret pally

[severe meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[weary stump]

Just turn on the xalatath voice for Waze

[storm forum]

Why does whispyr look like a league streamer in this gif?

[weary stump]

That's simply what modern MapleStory does to you

[severe meadow]

@thorn thorn

Wake up

[hidden robin]

[hidden robin]

i mean

i kinda do

i just use envenom or whatever (i think)

[severe meadow]

Just read it lil gup

[hidden robin]

GUP?

[weary stump]

You do things and stuff

[hidden robin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flabbergasted-shocked-wink-reaction-gif-25698054

[pliant remnant]

miniscule guppy

[runic hinge]

I’ll do it

[dusk sandal]

TL;DR after using envenom once, keep using it as many times as you can to get more energy regen when the poison application bonus buff drops

[tidal shuttle]

Since the crafted dagger is BIS for us, what would I lose if I crafted it now? It can be recrafted with mythic crests later, right?

[dusk sandal]

Up to 4 additional times (15% per stack, 80% cap)

[hidden robin]

🔥

thanks king 👑

[dusk sandal]

Gotchu fam

[hidden robin]

i kinda picked that up

cus i was like

[dusk sandal]

Yeah the rest is pretty obvious

[hidden robin]

don't u just play the spec

and the talent just plays itself?

[dusk sandal]

Basically

Since you're just applying your bleeds and then spamming envenom anyway

[hidden robin]

apply dots > spread dots > cooldowns > mutilate/fan of knives > envenom

aint that it

and pretty much refresh bleeds

[dusk sandal]

If you have a spark then yeah you lose nothing by crafting it now, just recraft later with your mythic crest

[runic hinge]

The cost of the recraft mats

That’s it

[dusk sandal]

Pretty much

[hidden robin]

and you're gonna always be casting envenom so the apex talent plays itself

thanks Ka4h3D

ohh wait

Ka5h3D*

[dusk sandal]

Yeah it's only really envenom and rupture to spend combos

Just call me Kash it's easier

[hidden robin]

kashmoney

[dusk sandal]

But 👍

[hidden robin]

back in my day

crimson tempest was a spender

[dusk sandal]

True

[hidden robin]

well i played sin rogue for like

[dusk sandal]

You pressed fan to generate combos and spend em on tempest

[hidden robin]

season 3 back in dragonflight

for like

2 weeks

it was fun

ashes of the embersoul..

wait so stat prio is crit/haste now? and not crit/mastery?

[dusk sandal]

Apparently

[severe meadow]

Go ahead and craft it

Can recraft later

[calm grail]

Any quick and dirty list of what mechanics can be shadow melded in Midnight keys?

[sacred oyster]

imo its just bad game design to intentionally design your game to skip a tier anyways. they should design things in a way you need to gear up with vet to reach champion.

[coral ibex]

probably not, nobody wants the responsibility of maintaining that list

[vestal folio]

any mechanic can be shadowmelded if you're brave enough

[storm forum]

I wish I recorded my m0s last night cause I was melding a lot of random shit (also meld restealths felt way easier than last expac)

[heavy quiver]

Am I correct in saying that you don't use your first vanish until 2 minutes into the fight when your death Mark resets?

Or right off the bat if you can't start the fight in stealth for some reason

[crisp sluice]

Guys are we playing sub or sin for ST raid fights

Is the difference that much in subs favour

[sacred oyster]

play w/e you wanna play lol

I'm having no problems topping DPS charts on sin, and in ST boss fights im destroying my team by significant margins and im only like 227~ ilvl.

[severe meadow]

Vanish for DM yeah

[sacred oyster]

though I am using lights potential pots with a super haste trinket so that ST dps is super bursty lol.

[severe meadow]

I’m somewhat on par with guildies at 238

[sacred oyster]

in aoe pack clear i can pull #1 if get a super clean bleed spread, but im competing vs demon lock and dev evoker, so yeah they def got meta advantages lol.

[severe meadow]

This was our last dungeon

We were doing some juicy ass pulls tho

[eager solstice]

You playing recommended talents?

[severe meadow]

Ye, Fatebound

[sacred oyster]

crazy thing is our pally tank can hit higher dps burst than the dps. hes hit near 200k iirc.

[severe meadow]

Yeah pally is gross

[storm forum]

I stg ppally crit wings is actually the strongest cd in the game

[sacred oyster]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pbCn4fuNkFESToHYz4iUJJ is what im on atm

though got a purple chest last night

[storm forum]

Show stat weights

[eager solstice]

Fate bound much better than ds?

[sacred oyster]

oh this is more out of date, this is just what i had in my browser tabs open i could open from work device

[severe meadow]

Technically DS is better

[distant plinth]

Been a good M0 runs😄

[storm forum]

Fatebound is easier and similar overall, ds has funnel but an annoying mark

[severe meadow]

I didn’t get a cloak to replace reshi

[sacred oyster]

I dont want the headache of managing DS lol, im happy w/e what i get with fate

[distant plinth]

Haha unluuuucky, got lucky with my items on prey as well

[real pike]

am I the only person that prefers DS looool

[severe meadow]

I haven’t even done prey outside of the first one

Prey fucking sucks

[real pike]

I swear when they first released everyone thought FB was too simple and DS was way more fun

[sacred oyster]

reshi still simmed higher pretty much al lthe way to 90 for me due to that <= 35% detail on it, i just eventually took it out of inv to avoid temptation lol

[distant plinth]

Its not bad, just fly around and click on traps only

[severe meadow]

Ye reshi is good until like 235 or something

[lethal turtle]

all my potential mains luck is gne

[distant plinth]

Takes 5min each prey

[severe meadow]

Oh did you rip crests

I haven’t upgraded anything yet either

[distant plinth]

Holy you spent crest/crafted already?

[storm forum]

I do like ds, but fb simplicity is nice for learning the dungeons, I'll definitely swap back to ds at some point though

[severe meadow]

Craft is good

Spending crests idk xd

[lethal turtle]

Yes adventure crests is lfr gear

dog

[distant plinth]

Im waiting for mythic weak

[severe meadow]

Those don’t even take adventure do they

[sacred oyster]

I was holding crest until i got a wep, but i guess if crafted wep is BIS ill focus that today

[lethal turtle]

all m0 gear heroic week will be champ track

[severe meadow]

Isn’t it one up

[lethal turtle]

no

i havent upgraded any champ items lol

adventure crests are fodder too and cope to think otherwise

[distant plinth]

Just send adventures

But save veteran for hc week

[sacred oyster]

senf?

[distant plinth]

Shitty phone haha

[sacred oyster]

whats point in saving vet, waiting for the crest upgrade option? wouldnt a transmute still count towards your crest cap?

[lethal turtle]

the 2 crests your getting right now are useless come 17th with m0 becomes champ track gear

and daily

and heroic/normals

[severe meadow]

Can we not convert them anymore

[lethal turtle]

once you out grow a crest

[distant plinth]

Gotta save em till the guide tell you to send em🤣

[lethal turtle]

you can convert them 30 to 01

[distant plinth]

Or else our RL will slay you

[lethal turtle]

Youll be ok

Not keeping blue and lfrcrests saved

[distant plinth]

Will get benched after first raid since we are dog anyways

[sacred oyster]

but if gaining the transmuted crest counts towards your crest cap, which i kinda expect it to, what benefit would it be other than being lazy to avoid farming more that first week

vs just use them to upgrade that gear slot. which is another fun note, upgrade costs per slot no longer requires crests if you swap to a new piece of gear for that slot and need to catch it back up.

[severe meadow]

Listen, the quicker we get CE the faster I can afk

Either way

[sacred oyster]

whats your thoughts here on value in waiting?

it can only be used on vet gear so unless you're holding for crest transmute option, i dont see why to do that lol

and transmute i feel like if it counts to the same limits, why bother

[lethal turtle]

transmute option goes towards your cap anyways.

[sacred oyster]

then yeah no value in waiting

just upgrade something useful you on vet and take your ilvl increase to make the first content you do easier

[lethal turtle]

the hold the spark craft bit is so weird. how many tiers have we done where its always wep

[sacred oyster]

old system i could see value in holding to not waste crests on something you may find better item for, but this new system is very nice. upgrade your weapon to max veteran, and if you find an even better vet tier weapon, you can reupgrade that one to max with gold only, it doesnt use crests again

is there a specific dungeon that has a good dagger?

how is this BIS? https://www.wowhead.com/item=249925/hungering-victory?bonus=12806:13335

[lethal turtle]

We’ve always had this but the switch to gold vs valor stones

Is a BLESSING

[golden loom]

"bis" mainhand is just a max ilvl dagger

so then depending on what you get in vault / to drop in mythic raid you are happy with as the weapon damage is way more significant than any "bis" combo of small secondary stats

[sacred oyster]

really? man i never noticed it then last expansion lol, must have overlooked that detail, and even the guy in my group who has been playing game long time recently only just now noticed it too.

[golden loom]

and at the start of the season you are gonna be mainhanding crafted dagger anyways

[vapid sierra]

what does sin do about energy issues

[distant plinth]

Im holding to spend everything for minmaxing during hc week

[sacred oyster]

is your thought to see what you have the best stats for and upgrade those pieces? i guess i can see that

[sacred oyster]

patience.

if your CD's about to come up, just hold back and just auto attack and refresh dots if expiring, then burst once cds popped.

[distant plinth]

Nah, got told by my RL to hold all veterans till hc week so i just do as he told me.

[fallow canopy]

there's no value in spending atm really

[distant plinth]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTGkZ2Cjr0jlv90XqW9vy9VXsVucd-yMCgHdyCvX_kQfOrexNDAC7Lf3LifuhqxrcWqJ0W3zIhvK3ii/pub#kix.c6y42rqhpjnt

We are following larias gearing guide

[lethal turtle]

Poptart corndog spending

I’m spending

[umbral sierra]

I half agree with this, think it should be something like needing maybe 33%-50% of your gear being vet to then go into champ. Would hate being stuck back from going next tier content bc I couldn’t get a bracer to drop

[sacred oyster]

yeah fair, i didnt mena fully upgraded vet lol but getting all vet is reasonable

[cursive reef]

Curious question, does the embellished daggers that apply bleeds benefit from assassination mastery and procs?

Similarly, what about passive like Embrace of Kimbul from Zandalari?

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/nehuyaneponyal-gif-15660627897541399471

[storm forum]

No, our talents/mastery/etc aren't supposed to affect anything that isn't in our spellbook.

[royal lantern]

go to sleep

[inner current]

im looking for a good rogue plater profile for assa/sub but i wasnt able to find one so far .. any recommendations?

[royal lantern]

what the other person said, No

the general rule is that Mastery effects in WoW dont interact with items at all, they are only for your own Abilitys, the rare cases when they work its probably a bug and not intended that way

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/bedge-pepe-sleep-gif-24023312

[severe meadow]

Wake up again

[fallow canopy]

[flat kindle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sacred oyster]

name plates are ultimately pick style you like, but making sure it can filter the important debuffs to ignore poisons to avoid information overload. i hope plater has that fixed by now but i switched to platynator at start of prepatch due to plater showing too much initially.

[stuck lodge]

What's the max ilvl for the crafted dagger right now?

[sacred oyster]

and also making sure it help exposes casters for interrupts

My Platy profile for example has current target at like 150%, casters at 200% and non casters as transparent too, so it makes casters stick out a lot, then with stacking setup so they dont overlap each other and can be clicked when needed. I ended up overlapping the cast bar over the HP bar to save space and make it more minimal. But with my setup i can pretty easily get an idea if mobs are missing bleeds.

[balmy condor]

259

[lucid rune]

Secondary poisoning doesn't work with FoK right?

is it just muti garrote?

[balmy condor]

mostly auto attacks

[nova aspen]

now that's a user interface

[lucid rune]

ahh ok

any links to implacable optimization?

[sacred oyster]

i sometimes question the size of my unit frames and hotbar but overall where i got it positioned its never in the way so it hasnt bothered me lol. keeps important area clear to see stupid areas

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[jovial idol]

Is this any good?

[lethal turtle]

Yes. Sim it

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

[indigo epoch]

Link to profile? That's nice.

[sacred oyster]

https://gist.github.com/aikar/af8ebb503ebf3a210c453a9ac056f172

[dire locust]

Hey, I guess it was already talked about but can't find it. Does the implacable tracked buff work now ? Mine looks like it bugs when the actual buff is running and do evenom in it to start a new pooling of the buff

[royal lantern]

check the pins

yes, what you said, it works until you triggered it once, and then bugs out

[dire locust]

Ah sorry didn't see. Well we're almost there hehe

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[indigo epoch]

thanks for sharing aikar 🙂

[storm forum]

Does DS still do the thing where they delay KB a couple seconds so the last couple ticks happen in the nature damage Amp after DM?

[somber badge]

For the rogue opener, on the sims linked above it's showing double garotte, does this apply two bleeds?

[storm forum]

I haven't looked at these specific sims, but usually when we double gar in the opener, it's so we have a max duration ss/imp gar.

[bitter solar]

no it just extends improved garrote to 30 seconds~

[sacred oyster]

I personally do Garrote > Mut/FOK to be around 4-5 pts > Rupture > Garrote (while still improved) and have both be arounds 30s~ at this point.

then CT

[restive falcon]

You can get a 259 dagger before m+ or no, I haven’t looked at anything gear related yet

[balmy condor]

crafting

[restive falcon]

Thanks king

[severe meadow]

Exsang mines

[balmy condor]

whats wrong with exsang mines

[bitter solar]

the leveling with rolling magma

[strange onyx]

Hello

[balmy condor]

I just got pyroclast

[severe meadow]

Nothing, I’ve just always hated leveling with mines

Hope you have a good league start pookie

I might play some this weekend

[thorn thorn]

Im level 84 now

[severe meadow]

Holy

[lethal turtle]

Anyone still awake

[storm forum]

i miss exsange :<

and sbs

and stat weights

[little flower]

Is there a reason to track Implacable? Like any particular way it affects the playstyle?

[balmy condor]

you let envenom drop at 80 stacks

[little flower]

Thank you!

[lethal turtle]

You guys woke up.

[sullen bramble]

is the crafted dagger our bis?

[strange onyx]

Yes

[jade abyss]

Its mines thats the wrong point x:

[fallow canopy]

Its not flicker or cyclone

[balmy condor]

flicker

[somber badge]

Stat prio should be Crit>Haste>Mastery right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[somber badge]

Damn, I have like 34% mastery and 6% haste atm, ya boi messed up

[balmy condor]

I mean

the %'s mean nothing

cause mastery scales entirely differently

but it's also fine cause you're just equipping ilvl

and ilvl at the end of the day is the #1 stat

[somber badge]

Yeah that's fair. I had kinda assumed that mastery would've been prio because of the extra poison damage

Can the poisons crit?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[balmy condor]

it's one of our core mechanics in fact

dashing scoundrel is pretty good

[runic hinge]

That reminds me of that guy

@limber lion

Very dashing

[thorn thorn]

Whats wrong with flicker

[balmy condor]

headache simulator

[somber badge]

That's pretty cool actually. I'm just using the stock standard icy veins M+ import, do any of you run anything different and are having better results?

[balmy condor]

I gave the icyveins writer the m+ build

so I use it :P

[storm forum]

Whispyr does ds still delay kb for a couple seconds to get the last couple ticks in the nature Amp window?

[balmy condor]

what

you mean lingering?

[storm forum]

Yeah I forgot the name

The Amp after dm

That's still a thing right?

[balmy condor]

I don't remember it ever being a thing actually

[storm forum]

I think I remember it being one of those 1% increases you said wasn't worth the effort

In like season 1

Or when it was a tier set bonus

[balmy condor]

nah, cause that can be sequenced

if it was 1% better and you just sequenced dm/kb differently

I would've done that

I think you're thinking of sepsis

[storm forum]

Oh maybe

[snow kindle]

Why must me darkest night on seven

[balmy condor]

more damage

[storm forum]

Auto crit big

[snow kindle]

Love damage

[storm forum]

Anyways, I'm gonna go dm > gar > kb now cause surely having the last tick be 30% stronger is good. The Feelycraft guides me.

[runic hinge]

You’re missing out on dm’s amp tho lol

[storm forum]

Does kb count as a lethal poison?

I thought those were just our weapon poisons

[runic hinge]

Mmm

No

It’s not a lethal poison. You right

[storm forum]

It does give a 10% dam buff, but surely 30 > 10

[mint urchin]

It still has the flat 20% dmg buff you want KB in

[coral ibex]

is there not a meaningful difference between lethal poisons and Lethal Poison

for assa

or did they adjust all those kinds of wordings going into midnight

[runic hinge]

Kb is a fake poison

Mind poison

[storm forum]

Where is the 20% coming from? Cause 10+20 could be better than lingering 30

[mint urchin]

It's the 10% not 20%

I just had the number wrong

[storm forum]

Ok

Surely 30 is bigger than 10 right?

[mint urchin]

30% of garrote vrs 10% of KB which is all rear loaded dmg? Granted I think KB is short enough one gcd wouldn't matter

[coral ibex]

kb maxes pretty quickly

the last tick is old propaganda

[mint urchin]

True

[storm forum]

So maybe delay KB even longer

[runic hinge]

I’m just not playing deathstalker so I never have to think about lingering

Fuck the mark

Fuck forcing to 7

I hated that shit the whole expansion.

[storm forum]

Based tbh

[thorn thorn]

DS needed jesus and it got satan instead

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna play feral and do 4 combo point 25 energy bites

[red schooner]

DS at least gave us the dry shiv, the dry shiv was fun. BIG CRIT.

[mint urchin]

You can still dry shiv, let me know how it feels now

[vivid mulch]

Anyone got Light's Potential ID?

[runic hinge]

Dry shiv was only good when I got to shiv from 6 to 7 combo points

[storm forum]

Good news, that's what we hold shiv for now!

[mint urchin]

Wasn't that debunked

[runic hinge]

No

It’s bunked

You need the talent tho

That makes shiv cheap and such

[thorn thorn]

Let me send this to a person that plays feral

@severe meadow

awakrn

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/just-woke-up-phil-groundhog-day-waking-up-columbia-pictures-100-gif-1215648639308013944

[fallow canopy]

Get a stronger head smh

[edgy notch]

guys i fcking love assa and sub, u think assa has better scaling for mm+ ? i need to make a choice

[balmy condor]

assa has better prio

so you'll probably see assa

but why do you need to make a choice?

you could just play both

[keen spruce]

cuz I need to gem and enchant and select gear for perfect stat weighting for one spec

and I can't have 5% too much mastery and switch to sub or the tank will call me slurs and we wont' time our weekly 10

[edgy notch]

cant tell more : )

[edgy notch]

yee ik for now thats what im going for

[lavish hazel]

!race

[normal mist]

Best Race for Assassination Rogue is: Haranir

Because they are kinda elves kinda trolls

And they are kinda hot too

[severe meadow]

BAAAASED

god see this is why I fuck with Royal

@thorn thorn you got a thing or two to learn buddy

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/mutsuki-bluearchive-gif-27128372

[thorn thorn]

They are ugly as af

Sorry broskis

[shadow agate]

Okay but hear me out, they aren't.

[severe meadow]

3 to 1 right now

[thorn thorn]

They are a mix of a troll and a nelf with the worst features of both

Abominations

I do not vibe with the fent elfs

[shadow agate]

How much am I really sacrificing running Fatebound over DS in M+... I really just like the chill FB life

[coral ibex]

uh

im pretty sure fatebound is recommended?

[balmy condor]

fb is 3% better overall

[shadow agate]

oh wait, good. I must have missed an update in the guides

[coral ibex]

fatebound bad in aoe is a war within thing, its fine now

[shadow agate]

The best news, thought I was up to date

[balmy condor]

the guide says deathstalker is recommended because that's what all the sweats will play

but I'm going to go in and change it later tonight probably to make fatebound the recommended

and then just add a disclaimer no one will read

so then instead of asking how bad fatebound is

people will show up and instead ask "BUT DEATHSTALKER IS THE PLAYED ONE ON ARCHON????????? STREAMER PLAY DESAHTSLKRALKERKLER????????

and then I will simply cry

[still glade]

But I will feel better so thank you for your sacrifice.

[severe meadow]

Or read it and still ask

[coral ibex]

you think the sweats are gonna play the lower overall spec?

arent there better prio specs to bring

[balmy condor]

in the name of prio?

absolutely

[coral ibex]

isnt our prio omega penis now

regardless

[balmy condor]

if by omega penis you mean huge

then yes

[severe meadow]

omega penis

[balmy condor]

assa I think is arguably the best prio in the game atm

and we're undertuned

so

it's flying a little close to the sun atm

[hazy sundial]

god i hope assa gets some buffs and becomes good this season

sub is so boring

[thorn thorn]

Assa currently still has the highest % of funnel/prio in aoe

Havoc and arcane got hit pretty hard

Just the nature of when your main form of aoe is slamming one target with damage

[solar wyvern]

Im just gonna post this any time asks about prio

[thorn thorn]

Well in fairness your competition are 2 specs that arent exactly known for prio

But it is still a lot

[solar wyvern]

Yeah but its still a mob that lived for 30 seconds with 60% of the damage done over those 30 seconds being the rogue lmal

[thorn thorn]

ye

Even with a havoc or arcane assa is still gonna be doing a lot of it themselves

Pretty goodge

[solar wyvern]

Alratchi got taken our back havoc is now an aoe burst class

[thorn thorn]

ye