assassination

[thorn thorn]

he is the 🐐

deep net

[pine cave]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

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[jovial idol]

So assa playing bleed build in the end?

[royal lantern]

full m0 worldtour-> 2 rings and thats it

[dense cedar]

i got 2 daggers so that was nice

[royal lantern]

i just crafted one now

[jolly stirrup]

I wanna say something else, but that would be lying

He do be

[red zealot]

Do we KB into DM?

[jolly stirrup]

Really? I thought other way around makes more sense because double damage? Or am I stupid

[manic quartz]

DM -> KB since DM doubles poison procs

[jolly stirrup]

Thats what i meant

[frank trench]

I then shiv with 10 seconds left on kb and make an explosion noise with my mouth for 10% more dmg

It’s kinda like having an R-type sticker on your Honda accord

[gusty mirage]

based

it's like when you're playing a racing game and you turn with your ps5/xbox controller

[kindred oriole]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[solar wyvern]

@uneven plume how come your Dk wasnt name "Mortified" or "mortalz"

hmmge

[severe meadow]

thats rough

Our boomkin got 1 drop and he traded it off xd

[balmy condor]

bruh why is prey so shit

this is the big expansion mechanic?

jesus

[severe meadow]

We were just complaining about this in the guild

[calm grail]

Wish it was just like

Quicker?

[severe meadow]

Coping that the Mythic version of it is different or something

[spice surge]

Ig their idea is that its kinda like emissary quests used to be, except its a bit more freeform

But to me it doesnt seem like a hit just yet

[balmy condor]

it's not only slow

the system makes no fucking sense

I'm hunting my prey

[severe meadow]

Lure out guy with random shit

[balmy condor]

in that my prey hunts me

while I'm doing random fuckoff bullshit

[spice surge]

I think were the prey

[calm grail]

Couple tweaks could be fine. Just make like 1 or 2 quests to reveal him, (directly related to the prey) and make them optional. Doing them weakens him. If you wanna skip that cool.

[spice surge]

But yeah its strange

[balmy condor]

and then I fly halfway through the zone

pop cds

and kill

incredible

[bright hemlock]

am i always supposed to be applying amplifying poison if im not talented into dragon-tempered blades??

[balmy condor]

if you're talented into amp poison yeah you would use it

[bright hemlock]

my goat ty

[thorn thorn]

how bad

[balmy condor]

literally just annoying and not fun in any way

[thorn thorn]

Surely it improves when season launches right

[balmy condor]

nightmare difficulty I have heard gets better

but like

if the core system is shit

then nightmare will be shit

[spice surge]

Should have one tier above that for kyveza-like encounters

[balmy condor]

I just don't get it man

[spice surge]

Since if nightmare gives loot i suspect theyre afraid to make it actually difficult

[balmy condor]

nightmare is hero track, no?

[spice surge]

Ye

So non-raiders "have" to do it

[balmy condor]

thank fuck I don't need to do it

I'd rather spam m+

[thorn thorn]

same

Im a non-raider but I aint touching that with a stolen weiner

[haughty flicker]

i have no strong feelings about it

it just passively gets done while im doing weekly tasks i'd already be doing

[spice surge]

Idk i think theyre too scared to make anything in the open world difficult in any capacity, which is a shame

Afaik delve bosses have been very appreciated despite them not being easily accessible

[severe meadow]

Delve bosses have been a banger imo

[wanton basalt]

The system seems to lean into giving open world questing and herbing more rng. Does seem to have much player power behind it. And doesn’t seem very deep/complex Just a rng toggle for casuals.

[severe meadow]

They're fun to push early without much gear

[uneven plume]

What’s wrong with Mortdk

😂

[spice surge]

Ye and for people that arent as invested in wow they can do it later on when they have way more gear

[balmy condor]

it's not a rogue

[severe meadow]

I really enjoy fuck off content that's fairly difficult

The most fun I've had is hanging out with friends at Brawlers Guild in the earlier days

Not to say Brawlers Guild is all that difficult, but it was fun for us

[thorn thorn]

My favorite content is getting my friends into keys that turn out cursed

And I have logs or data from almost all of them to prove they are cursed

[cunning needle]

i think the most annoying part of prey is that there isn't a bar

so you dont even know how close you are to finishing the stupid thing off

its just "YOURE ALMOST THERE TO TRACKING DOWN YOUR PREY"

prey is just a shittier world quest that instead of a small part of the zone, the entire zone is the world quest

[uneven plume]

It’s about three WQs

[little cedar]

hey, does anyone else get massive diffed by anything on the meters while leveling or just me?

[cunning needle]

it's levelling, it doesn't matter

[little cedar]

yeah i guess, just feels weird that a lvl 82 devourer is outdps me at lvl 89

[cunning needle]

oh then thats even more normal

whenever levelling you get weaker as you get higher

[balmy condor]

funny enough, I also get weaker as I get higher

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

(literally only smoked like 3 times in my life)

[broken sandal]

Dumb q, when implacable is up with the energy regen, are you pooling back up to say 80% energy then dumping in a cycle again or dumping as soon as the regen activates?

[thorn thorn]

Which life

This one or the previous one

[craggy basin]

How people enjoying m0s with sin? Imagining things die too fast but almost done with split so bout to move on to worl tour on main. Torn between sin and sub atm

[balmy condor]

no, when it drops you just start envenoming again

[broken sandal]

Cheers, to be clear you mean as soon as envenom drops and the energy regen buff applies, you just start envonming again until you run out of energy?

[balmy condor]

yep

implacable is technically more efficient with less envenoms

so pooling to 80% and then forcing 5 envenoms in a row

is just less efficient

[broken sandal]

Makes sense Cheers

[thorn thorn]

if only pooling was more real

[calm grail]

What if you have like 80 of those stacks and still are high on energy? Spam envenom until you can drop it?

[balmy condor]

yes

if you're higher than like 170ish, probably safe to envenom

not a hard rule or anything

but generally like if you need to wait at least 5 seconds to let envenom drop

you're probably cooked if you're at 170/250

especially like during lust?

during lust you're realisitically just ignoring the apex

[robust pulsar]

at the store. what flavor of water should I get

ideally something good for an alt lvling session followed by m0s

[thorn thorn]

default is the best

[nimble tartan]

3 more times than jesus

[balmy condor]

True, Jesus didn’t smoke weed

Brotato chip was hittin the hookah

[thorn thorn]

I wanted to make a joke but divine intervention prevented me from making it

[balmy condor]

White, any of the healthy no sugar ones are good though

[nimble tartan]

jesus blowin hookah os

[balmy condor]

Except the like pinkish waters

The pinkish ones suck

[thorn thorn]

What if my water is black

[nimble tartan]

his disciples first time ever seein that: yoooo wtff this dude doin miracles

[robust pulsar]

agree. way too sweet for me. and fake ass flavor

[cunning needle]

original

[balmy condor]

Don’t listen to him, he’s Australian

So you gotta do the opposite

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/brent-my-hero-aus-top-guy-gif-17971844794065873200

[balmy condor]

Wukkas mate

[thorn thorn]

If you are australian how do you avoid falling into space when you leave your house

Do you use a harness

[balmy condor]

Kirkey

Or whatever

Idk

[cunning needle]

when we get inside our kangaroos, we zip the top up so we don't fall out

[balmy condor]

Shrimp on the Barbie

[spice surge]

Why she shrimpin

[thorn thorn]

wa

what does that even mean

[thorn thorn]

Do the kangaroos have magnet feet

How do they not fall

[cunning needle]

because they jump back down

[bitter solar]

Did they change the icon for Implacable or am i tripping

[thorn thorn]

[cunning needle]

🦘

[bitter solar]

[balmy condor]

Wait a damn minute

[bitter solar]

yea

they hotfixed it?

[balmy condor]

That’s the stacks?

On the cdm?

[bitter solar]

yep

[main solar]

I literally just noticed this too. Must have just been hotfixed

[coral ibex]

RIP MOROES

[spice surge]

!implacable

[prisma monolith]

Unfortunately you cannot track the Implacable stacks in the cooldown manager at the moment. All we can do is hope they add it in the future.

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[balmy condor]

I’m not home someone give me definitive proof

[coral ibex]

im logging in

[main solar]

on cdm, yes. I didnt change anything. I think they just changed it from tracking the buff after it drops, to tracking the stacks

[tight ginkgo]

Bro why is moroes lying

Also will Moroes ever get his conjunctivitis cured?

[main solar]

it tracks both

if you let it drop, it tracks the regen buff

[bitter solar]

yea did notice that too

[balmy condor]

God you’re hot

[main solar]

It will not track the stacks while the regen buff is active though

[gleaming geyser]

works with the icon too and not just the bar

[spice surge]

I killed the moroes command

[bitter solar]

we're saved

[balmy condor]

Implacable FIXED

It has been fixed and can be tracked in the base cooldown manager

HOWEVER

It only works once, then once the energy regen triggers, it stops tracking the stacks until combat is dropped. So… it’s not really fixed
Shoutout @gleaming geyser and @bitter solar for the picture/video

[quaint nimbus]

Oh thank god i can stop fucking with that shitty wa

[spice surge]

They didnt fix first dance or apex for sub though

[cunning needle]

[tight ginkgo]

[bitter solar]

Its still fucked technically. If you have the regen part of the buff on and start building it up again, it dosen't track how many stacks you get

@balmy condor

Both the bar and tracked buff version break

[stuck lodge]

works for me

[bitter solar]

Maybe i should relog, but its not tracking stacks after getting the regen buff

[gleaming geyser]

surely itll be entirely fixed tomorrow

surely

[balmy condor]

This looks fine no?

You dropped it and then it was at 50?

[bitter solar]

but if you gain stacks during the regen buff it dosen't show the amount of stacks and breaks

[balmy condor]

Hm

[stuck lodge]

that is true

[spark warren]

Oh damn that's great, it does track now! I don't know if something was fixed, but... it didn't, earlier in the day 😄

[balmy condor]

Okay I’ll add a note

[severe meadow]

[bitter solar]

It fixes once you drop combat, but you get only ONE rotation stacks and its ded for the rest of the fight

[spark warren]

Less amazing.

[bitter solar]

we were so close

[balmy condor]

Wait it breaks entirely?

[bitter solar]

yep

[balmy condor]

What’s with the 50 then

In your video

[bitter solar]

that's my buffs in the top right

i moved it into frame to show

i had 50 stacks

and it was no longer showing on cdm

[balmy condor]

OH

THATS YOUR BUFF BAR

I see

[bitter solar]

yeah i don't play like that dw, i'm not a complete psycho

[balmy condor]

I lowkey didn’t even notice the cdm underneath

[stuck lodge]

for me it just takes a break when you start during the other buff

[balmy condor]

I was just staring at the buffs

[stuck lodge]

it works every second time I guess

[surreal crag]

it only breaks if you restart stacks during the regen? if you full wait for regen to end it resets appropriately

[bitter solar]

Yeah, But that's not how the spec is played so we're pretty screwed lol

[surreal crag]

fair enough

[bitter solar]

like after first rotation and it bugs, only way i could reset is leaving combat, Btimmy said he's able to get to rotate every 2nd one so i dunno.

[severe meadow]

I can't seem to replicate getting it again after letting it drop

[bitter solar]

it only worked for me dropping combat

[severe meadow]

It works if I let if fall off completely

It'll reappear

You can't use envenom during the regen bit

Or it just breaks

[bitter solar]

[severe meadow]

If it breaks, you have to let the Implac stack break, let the energy regen buff drop, and then it'll work again

[dusty crag]

is there a sweetspot with the energy buff? or just get 80% and let it drop

[bitter solar]

Which in reality isn't how the spec is played, So you'd be gimping your dps just to not break the tracker

[severe meadow]

I don't think it's intended to be fair

[bitter solar]

Yeah, we were so close lol

[severe meadow]

Because it doesn't track any part of it after it breaks

The stacks or the regen

[surreal crag]

regen seemed to always work for me? even once broken?

not really pertinent, bugged regardless

[severe meadow]

You still get the regen, it's just the manager stops tracking it

You can still see the energy regen / implac buff in your buff bar

Manager is what's breaking

[surreal crag]

regen would show up for me in my cdm, the set of untracked implacable stacks

once I let it fall off the regen buff still showed

[severe meadow]

It's when you envenom during the energy regen

[surreal crag]

right, that hides the implacable stacks buff, but once I let that round of envenoms drop I still get the implacable regen buff in cdm

maybe I'm doing something silly on my end, and even if I see that regen buff the important part is broken

[severe meadow]

ye I know that part

it's just not tracking implac is all

[surreal crag]

ah we were just talkin past each other

[severe meadow]

Yeah lol

[surreal crag]

mb 🙂

[split veldt]

i got so excited reading the top part of the pin

😭

but at least blizzard is working on it i guess

[digital wind]

!bug

[severe meadow]

They just need to make it 2 different icons or something, the stacks and the energy regen

[vague scroll]

It being fixed it cool, but the play style feels like I’m pulling through mud. It’s completely unsmooth when compared to sub.

[split veldt]

it would be nice if the burst window was longer

but overall, i like the playstyle

just toxic not being able to track implacc

[novel elbow]

so my built in blizzard cd manager is now tracking implaccable % build up, there is a little "85" (or whatever number along the way) there

stealth hotfix?

[jade wadi]

do we have to press slice n dice again?

[spice surge]

No, envenom applies it

[jade wadi]

ty

[split veldt]

pins

[novel elbow]

oh wow... now i'm back to sad

[split veldt]

do we need to play around these, or can i take them off to clean up my UI

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/dumping-trash-daniel-labelle-frustrated-garbage-trash-gif-27186872

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1439724942227931249/1471363354047025305/ajx7mf.gif

[vapid sierra]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[indigo mulch]

Is tuning off for sin or i'm i just trash? :C I can't do decent damage as sin D:

[haughty flicker]

potentially both

[indigo mulch]

[haughty flicker]

its ok

i got called shit by an npc today

[indigo mulch]

[red zealot]

Any Idea why Abundance questt for the renown neck isnt showing up?

[haughty flicker]

you need to do the tutorial quest for abundance first

[molten harbor]

Is it possible to track implacable stacks on the base blizz ui?

[balmy condor]

Pins

[molten harbor]

ty

[solar wyvern]

Theres just no way

Lmfao

We really out here not checking if it continues working

[loud niche]

sim is telling me that the 246 renown trinket is worse than deck of hunt and a 230 idol of hash? that seem right?

Feels like I would want the crit and agi from the 246 > 0 agi and a random loa for 30sec?

[indigo mulch]

I just equip whatever is highest ilvl 😄

No brain required.

[snow hamlet]

It didn’t work in simc

so

[loud niche]

what?

[balmy condor]

Bunch of world trinkets aren’t implemented in sims

[snow hamlet]

idk but I think this one is good for us

You can update it 3 times

I update it ones, crit become 250 from 208

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s probably good

[loud niche]

Looks like the idol is garbo, no? only 1/3 of the time it would proc, is it better than deck

[keen spruce]

just equip highest ilvl till raid week so people will acctually invite you to stuff then replace it with a real trinket

[vapid sierra]

how is sin gonna feel in keys now that ic is gone

and why did they prune ic

[loud niche]

hol up, I thought that it showed your highest equippable in bags? 😵‍💫

[keen spruce]

idk how it works these days

or how it ever worked tbh

cuz I always just did that

optimizing doofy world trinkets before m+ or raid comes out just seems like a waste of my very limited brain power

[loud niche]

eh, if I'm gonna play an undertuned class, I'm gonna eek out every point of dps I can. Just need to finish WT on this toon, and then I'm onto my next toon

[balmy condor]

Better

[vapid sierra]

really? how so

[balmy condor]

Because you don’t need stealth to spread bleeds

[solar wyvern]

Well you dont rely on stealth

[vapid sierra]

ic helped bleed spread bigtime no?

[balmy condor]

You get to ic always

Except it’s also stronger

So you spread more than before

[solar wyvern]

New ct is IC but better in every way except that weve lost old ct

[balmy condor]

Faster than before

Without stealth

[vapid sierra]

WAIT I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE THEY CHNAGED CT

[balmy condor]

Good morning sunshine

Welcome to midnight

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

:3

[severe meadow]

:3

[tawdry halo]

Must be a cozy rock you've been under

[vapid sierra]

took a fat two break tier lol

[balmy condor]

Checks out

[vapid sierra]

got rlly busy w uni

[kindred oriole]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

I didn’t know you rode Unicycle

[keen spruce]

I blame the yellow name more than the break

[balmy condor]

That’s pretty cool

[vapid sierra]

im quite the expert actually

so how does ct interact with improved gar

[severe meadow]

Spreads it

[vapid sierra]

does it keep it rolling?

like can i respread a ig that appeared thru ct

[keen spruce]

it just says it spreads your longest gar and rup

but idk if it would float the imp gar forever

i'd imagine not

but idk

[spice surge]

No as when it ticks out it's gone

You don't get a full 24s garrote when you CT, it copies the exact duration

[balmy condor]

Whatever you have active on your main target is what it spreads

Duration, imp gar

So all your bleeds sync up

Well

Assuming your main target is the one you have the longest bleed on

Which it should be

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-15677826050545973054

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/wideboink-cat-boink-cat-boink-gif-4293569947606972768

[balmy condor]

Us

[stuck lodge]

Playing sin in dungeons has felt kinda 💩 sometimes. Just awkward with crippling poison making it so the mob I'm trying to set up the bleeds on is lagging behind the tank who is running to another pack

Probably gotta just take it off or something

[agile mason]

Glad implacable tracking is a little better.... is there any way to have it make a noise when I hit 80 - if I understand it right thats the major rotation adjustment

[loud niche]

why are you using crippling?

[prime field]

yo is crafting a dagger this week a play? Or a waste?

[balmy condor]

Dps increase

[solar wyvern]

Lethal dose value

[balmy condor]

Yes craft

[loud niche]

HUH

Brother wut

[balmy condor]

Read lethal dose

[severe meadow]

More poison good

[prime field]

tysm!

[stuck lodge]

I mean yeah what other nonlethal should I be using?

[loud niche]

Wait, but we don't take lethal dose?

[balmy condor]

We do

[thorn thorn]

[loud niche]

oh raid ST does

[balmy condor]

The one you talent into

[balmy condor]

M+ will when I get home

:3

[loud niche]

GDI

T_T

[stuck lodge]

Uhh.. the DR one? I have that and crippling

[signal karma]

oh huh we're back to deathstalker for m+ are we

[stuck lodge]

Can you do DR and mind numbing?

[loud niche]

???? WUT

[loud niche]

fuck i didn't even see that shit

[thorn thorn]

Lamestalker

[loud niche]

naw man i cant im crine chat

[thorn thorn]

Jay how dare you

[balmy condor]

Well that’s a choice node

[loud niche]

i gotta make tanks mad about slowing shit AND i gotta play stalker?

[balmy condor]

Would be very difficult to get both sides of a choice node

But if you let me know how

I’d be interested

[loud niche]

imagine tho

[severe meadow]

just play FB lil gup

[balmy condor]

You don’t have to do either of those things

[loud niche]

how much of a loss are we talking?

[severe meadow]

small

[balmy condor]

For what

[loud niche]

staying in my non-crippling, FB setup

oh and what are we giving up for lethal dose?

[balmy condor]

Fatal conc

[solar wyvern]

Fatebound is gud and cripping is 1%-2% loss on poison/bleeds depending how many lethal dose u play

[balmy condor]

Not using crippling is about a 1% loss, fatebound is like 3% ahead overall but less defensives and less prio

Which is why you won’t see it played by bitchless losers like charrend

But otherwise it’s totally fine

More boss damage in ST

[solar wyvern]

Ayo wtf bro i got hella bitches. Liadrins got my back

[signal karma]

why does everyone hate deathstalker lmao, just because target swapping is ass or what

[balmy condor]

You’re taking backshots from liadrin?

That’s crazy work

[severe meadow]

Tracking mark sucks

Moving it sucks

[solar wyvern]

Yeh really knocked me down a peg

[severe meadow]

Losing it sucks

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

The QOL is utterly dogshit

And the gameplay isn’t much better

Having to force yourself to 7cp

Pressing shiv on 6

Can’t change targets

[signal karma]

why do you gotta force 7cp, both darkest night and mark got changed to 5+ didn't they

[balmy condor]

Yea but it’s better to force 7cp on darkest night

Just more damage

[signal karma]

that's an oof

imagine hitting muti on five lmao

[balmy condor]

Imagine hitting shiv on 6

[signal karma]

i can get behind that

earning 4-5 combo points on mutilate on 5 makes me hate myself a bit though ngl

[severe meadow]

anyway yeah FB is braindead, play it instead :3

[signal karma]

if they're within 5% of each other it's a fuck it take the superior qol angle from me

[balmy condor]

You can get behind hitting a button that does no damage and provides no benefit other than a cheap combo point?

We have fallen so far

[balmy condor]

I mean the only reason deathstalker is “better” is because of the prio damage and defensive value in high keys

Fatebound is objectively more overall damage

Unless you’re like doing MDI giga pulls and pulling packs onto bosses and shit

If you’re a mortal, fb is just better

[solar wyvern]

If ur bitchless however...

[balmy condor]

Yeah if you get no play

Balls so dry there’s dandruff flakes when you go to piss

[severe meadow]

Poisoned Knife for the 1cp..

[balmy condor]

Then you play ds for sure

[severe meadow]

Just ignore it costing 40 energy

[solar wyvern]

S2 tierset leak

[balmy condor]

Unironically does more damage than shiv but the energy cost is the only reason we don’t

[severe meadow]

i figured xd

[solar wyvern]

Youd just fok at that point xd

[balmy condor]

Probably yeh

[severe meadow]

We really trying to keep Poisoned Knife down around here

[balmy condor]

We are

Poisoned knife stays in the spellbook

[loud niche]

nah, it's goated for sniping credit towards stuff

[spice surge]

Whispyr talking about charrend being bitchless, but poisoned knife is the most bitchless of them all

[severe meadow]

shadowstep into melee has entered the chat

[loud niche]

+5yds tho

[severe meadow]

PF has travel time

[spice surge]

Not if you're sub with longer step range specced

[loud niche]

I hate sub

[loud niche]

I'd be curious which is actually faster

[severe meadow]

Speed shroud

[balmy condor]

Goated for content that I won’t do in 2 weeks let’s fucking go, deserves a keybind for sure

[loud niche]

YESSSSS now you get it

[balmy condor]

Raid and m+ releases and Im never pressing that shit ever again for the rest of the expac

[spice surge]

You have to give up exhil for it now though, sad times

[balmy condor]

[loud niche]

There's always a use case for PK. It may not be a GOOD one, but it's there

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah there’s a use case for everything if you allow yourself to be bad at the game or accept dps losses

[severe meadow]

We simply rework it back to Deadly Throw

[bright hemlock]

loved spending my combo points on a Z tier finisher

[loud niche]

yknow, it wasn't the WORST in pvp

just almost

[severe meadow]

I fancy a battleground maybe once an expansion

[brave comet]

is there a strategic deterrent to upgrading this to max?

[balmy condor]

Yeah, crafting a dagger

[brave comet]

can i craft one right now?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[brave comet]

for real?

jesus

[balmy condor]

I mean, according to the crafted dagger I have equipped

Seems like you can

[cunning needle]

are you sure though?

[balmy condor]

Looks crafted to me

[brave comet]

thats insane

[cunning needle]

does look pretty crafted

[balmy condor]

I couldn’t find someone who could rank 5 sadly

I’ll recraft it next week it’s whatever

[cunning needle]

unluggy, not gonna be able to get r1 on the m0 parses

[balmy condor]

Real

[fresh kelp]

can’t get it done right unless you do it yourself

[severe meadow]

I got you pookie

[balmy condor]

If I don’t get the +3 ilvl on my dagger, I won’t beat the guardian druid in my +2

[cunning needle]

dw you werent beating them anyway

[balmy condor]

I’m on jewelcrafting duty for my guild sadly

[brave comet]

oh man thats lucky!

[severe meadow]

m0 parsemaxxing

[rocky violet]

thats funny, i just got out dps'd by a guardian druid tonight

sigh

[severe meadow]

As Ion intended

[spice surge]

Well yeah they're one of the best dps specs

[rocky violet]

time to reroll

[thorn thorn]

[spice surge]

They'll do tuning on the 17th

I don't expect bears to come out without any damage taken

[cunning needle]

oh is their survivability going to get nerf'd as well?

[spice surge]

Probably not, but who knows

[hallow glade]

Are you telling me red names have to run anti-grip for dps

[cunning needle]

sorry that was a bad joke because you said they were going to take damage

so i tried to make a funny

[severe meadow]

I laughed pookie, I got you

[cunning needle]

❤️

[umbral sierra]

fastest way to go from lvl 88-90 campaign is finished and it basically said fuck off till ur lvl 90

[ebon tundra]

Delve quests, unless that was fixed is pretty fast

[umbral sierra]

delves

fair ig

[balmy condor]

Yeh, delve quests don’t turn in, campaign + efficient side quests till 87 or 88

Turn in delve quests

Profession spam the rest

[low hare]

wow... what energy? '

its so bad righht now boizs

[brave comet]

you just pool a lot more often

[low hare]

i mean maybe im not looking at the meters even, but this is kinda like

[balmy condor]

Energy in ST is better than it was in season 3 to be fair

[low hare]

possibly

im doing dungeons rn

feels like ass tbh

[balmy condor]

Yeah, it’s MUCH faster in dungeon st

It’s just not 9 billion energy overcap in aoe anymore

The speed is kinda normalized

Until you get 8-10 targets

Then it’s back to basically infinite aoe

But yeh

“Normal” aoe is about where ST is

[low hare]

hmm aite i guess ill try going ST then, i kinda like that idea more, its mroe like a true old sin rogue

[balmy condor]

Well I don’t mean like changing the build

Just kinda yappin bout the energy

[brave comet]

is this about normal dps now?

[balmy condor]

In what

For what

Any context

[brave comet]

dungeon

im using fatebound

[balmy condor]

Yeah that looks about right

[brave comet]

the tank was doing half that so i guess tanks are also doing well?

[balmy condor]

The tank should be beating you

[brave comet]

are you kidding?

are we that bad?

[quaint nimbus]

No he’s not kidding lol

[brave comet]

i dont mind that, if the tanks beats everyone then i dont mind it at all

[balmy condor]

3 tank specs are currently doing more dps than like

2/3rds of dps specs

[quaint nimbus]

It’s rly funny to watch

[balmy condor]

Sub/sin are like 90k in full bis

Guardian Druid is like 105k atm

[wise plover]

only 2 more weeks until balance patch 🙂

[thorn crater]

so we are droppin spatter for lethal dose?

[balmy condor]

Dog what

If anything you’re dropping fatal conc

Spatter is like 15-20% of your aoe please don’t untalent that

[thorn crater]

6:30 am atm read caustic instead of fatal

just woke up lol

also toxic stiletto is a meme right i can just take gouge

who wants to press shiv

[brave comet]

oh youre not wrong that looks useful in M+

[balmy condor]

deathstalker players looking for damage

[brave comet]

aoe blind is gone right?

[spice surge]

yes

[brave comet]

what a shame

blackjack works on bosses too?

[spice surge]

no

It only works if blind or sap was applied

[marsh fjord]

How is it going homies

you all enjoying midnight

[quiet oar]

Comp for RWF

[balmy condor]

real

except demo lock is 145

so it's more like brew/prot

15 demo locks

1 mage

and then some healers

well

vengeance

okay no

vengeance solo tank

1 mage

and then the rest demo locks

[quiet oar]

But are they tanky enough

[balmy condor]

they're locks

do you seriously have to ask that

[quiet oar]

Well mine died on Dimensius with the debuff, because they refused to use healthstones und Pots

To the Point i assigned myself to do one debuff

So yes

[visual dragon]

thoughts on this trinket?

[dry sapphire]

is nice

[visual dragon]

But is it better than that? Thats my prob here

[visual sun]

sim is the key

[vital flicker]

You'll tell us if they find it, right?

[dry sapphire]

Well assa needs crit mastery and a proc of haste not will do much i think

For subt probably nice

But yep, sim is the key 😅

[balmy condor]

crit haste*

[plain hawk]

Meow 🐈‍⬛

[balmy condor]

realest shit I ever seen

[frosty cedar]

[boreal lichen]

Is iron wire (garrote silence) rly not needed in mythik+ ? I know it is worse now bc garrote doesn’t cleave anymore. But I still feel if a grp has 1+ caster could be hard to grp them up

[frosty cedar]

kick that fella

[balmy condor]

it's just not worth the dps you're giving up

[boreal lichen]

K. Is tge toxic stilletto talent rly that worth ? Are there any notable enrage effect mobs in the mythik+ pool? I kinda like the short cd for blind to help with spell interrupt or apply the dmg debuff more frequently

[balmy condor]

would probably drop iron stomach for that instead of toxic stilletto

toxic stilletto is dps on deathstalker

[runic hinge]

I shall not be talenting into deathstalker

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean

at the end of the day

kinda whatever

they're all semi useless points

do whatever makes you happy

[boreal lichen]

What’s your estimate on fatebound and deathstalker dps% wise comparison in mythic+ ?

[balmy condor]

fatebound is 3-4% ahead overall, but no prio and no defensive

[spice surge]

Im speccing gauge, so i can have Kidney, Cheap Shot, Blind, Gouge AND panda Gouge, that one mob aint casting shit

[balmy condor]

real

[split grail]

Wait really?

Sorry for the off-topic subject gang but: Does anyone know how to either move or remove this icon. It's for important debuffs. I think it's part of the base game but may be part of bigwigs. Either way I can't for the life of me find where to change it in either edit mode or the bigwig options

[balmy condor]

really to which

[split grail]

That fatebound was better dps for m+

[balmy condor]

yes

[spice surge]

They removed the fatebound talent that were completely unplayable in m+ and instead made them good talents

So now its good

[fallen wasp]

Are there any builds without caustic splatter? Im not the biggest fan of it

[spice surge]

No

[split grail]

Question: Is it worth spreading CT bleeds past 5 targets or just hit 5 and start foking

[fallen wasp]

Dang

[spice surge]

You'd be hard pressed to find a build for aoe thats giving up a point worth 20% dps for a point worth 1.5% dps

Thats some art of the deal type shit

[fallen wasp]

Fairs. Just looks so bland xd

[hexed frost]

God I hate spatter so hecking much

I don't wanna play dollar store blade flurry please make it stop blizzard aaaahhh

[spice surge]

Because im a fucking moron i did the math on how long you can stop a mob from casting if their cast is 3 seconds (which most dangerous casts are now). Turns out with that setup its almost 110 seconds

[split grail]

Isn't there diminishing returns?

[brave comet]

they need to delete these

[spice surge]

I mean yeah but that's only if you do the same type of effect within 18 seconds

[balmy condor]

I assure you it would be a lot more bland without it

you would hit CT 5 times and then have literally no aoe damage

like your best option for doing aoe at that point would be spamming fan of knives

cause you're not doing anything else

[winter gale]

Good morning ppl

[upper yew]

Hey guys i am leveling an assa rogue and I am wondering why my Sudden Demise does not proc in a dungeon at all? is it disabled for elite mobs or something?

[balmy condor]

it's a necessary evil or else you'd run out of stuff to do like 10 seconds into a pull

[balmy condor]

are you talented into sudden demise

[balmy condor]

[winter gale]

Is there a haste percentile where assa should be, atleast roughly? I am extremely low on it and it is so dry 🤣

[balmy condor]

you're taking DTB and sudden demise?

that's wild

yeah not sure then

it's worked for me

[upper yew]

DTB? oh got it

[split grail]

4 poisons

[balmy condor]

full bis 289 ilvl is sitting around 18-20%, but you don't want to just stack haste to get there, nor will it make better

[upper yew]

yeah i am copying a leveling talent build from icy-veins

[balmy condor]

ah yeah the leveling build

I saw a dungeon and thought dungeon build automatically

but I did make the leveling build have both of those didn't I

yeah not sure then

probably just not enough damage I guess

[upper yew]

i can post a screenshot where it doesnt proc with full bleeds and the guy having 1k just gotta be quick to click it lol 😄

maybe I should relog

[winter gale]

Thank you Whispyr. I guess I should just adapt to this pacing and slow down a bit?

[spice surge]

Maybe follower/normal dungeons have the same scaling issue as open world

[balmy condor]

sudden demise has worked surprisingly well this expansion so far

well it works in open world

[spice surge]

Oh mb

[balmy condor]

yeah idk when they fixed it

but I got like 210 and it was still working

[spice surge]

Technology is advancing

[balmy condor]

I was amazed

[balmy condor]

Idk what that means but yeah sure

it's not really any different than how assa has played in the last 15 years

if by "adapt to this pacing" you mean just playing normally and letting the apex talent proc every now and then

then yes

[upper yew]

yeah from my understanding it SHOULD eventually proc when the target is below 35% and has bleeds...like even if the target is at 3%hp but has somewhat fresh bleeds on it

but maybe the follower dung is whacky

ive got 1 hit from 2 packs where mobs were dying with bleeds on them

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean when I was leveling in the follower dungeons

it worked great

[runic hinge]

Sudden demise was kinda bonkers when I was leveling

[balmy condor]

not sure why it's not working for you

[haughty flicker]

it didnt proc a single time for me while i was leveling

granted i was playing sub

[runic hinge]

Noob

[haughty flicker]

sub is juicy in open world content now im ngl

the true rogue community won there

[vale fox]

do yall know any way for me to deactivate this cast bar off my target Unit Frame?

the easy frames option is not working

[balmy condor]

are you using base ui? you can disable it from edit mode

oh it's an addon

doomed

[vale fox]

where. can you show me the option because i cannot see it

even in base ui

i cannot deactivate it

i can only deactivate my own

not the target castbar

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure I disabled it on my target, let me log in

[vale fox]

thanks whisp

currently level 84 and its driving me nuts

[brave comet]

whisp is the best

[vale fox]

also do yall have problems with enemy player cc's showing on their nameplate?

i can see the stuns I hit on NPC's but not on players in open world pvp

[balmy condor]

that one I for sure don't know because I'd rather cut my dick off with a butter knife before I would pvp

[vale fox]

LMAO

nah i love rogue pvp

Stealthy boizz

[balmy condor]

oh I guess it's player cast bar only and I just never notice the target cast bar

yeah that's cooked

[vale fox]

ITS KILLING ME

its unneeded clutter

i can see them casting at their nameplates

dont need my target cast bar too

[balmy condor]

yeh the way I have my target bar set up I just never look there I guess

[vale fox]

ok so i guess they will hopefully give us an option soon

ill just sweep this under the "new UI" rug

[balmy condor]

yeah that and fixing the fix of the implacable tracking

[vale fox]

what is that

am i a noob?

[balmy condor]

the apex talent

[vale fox]

ohh

yea

i didnt get there yet since im still 84

hey i kinda like our new spread method

[balmy condor]

[vale fox]

what do u think?

[balmy condor]

you should have it at 84

new CT is good yeh

[vale fox]

i probably do but i dont check talents etc until i have max level

[night delta]

damn, I saw the implacable "fix"

that's a step in the right direction I imagine

[balmy condor]

yeh, they finally changed it to the right spell id

just didn't bother checking if it actually worked

[heavy reef]

hello, i have not read if its already dicussed but is there a built in way to track weapon poison if they are applied or not?

[strange onyx]

Adding

Addon

[heavy reef]

okok

[split grail]

Oh implacable tracking is working now?

[night delta]

well, not really, but at least it tracks the stacks$

it just breaks after the first time it triggers the energy, each combat

[split grail]

Poo. I guess it’s better

[night delta]

not by much but hey, shows they at least somewhat paid attention

now gotta wait for the definitive fix

[jolly stirrup]

anyone know why she isnt giving me the necklace quest?

[balmy condor]

posh asking why a woman isn't giving him neck

[jolly stirrup]

[winter gale]

Im still doing mistakes by finishing with CT sometimes

I guess I will need some time

🤣

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

is that not what's happenin

[indigo mulch]

Keep it in your pants romeo!

I've actually been playing some sub this season. Imma be honest, its not that bad. 😄

[balmy condor]

Wowwwwww

But I’m the freak?

[indigo mulch]

I feel bad for not just hard locking sin but like..!

I KNOW!

SHUSH YOU

[haughty flicker]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-1263

[indigo mulch]

I didn't expect them to make it that easy though D:

[balmy condor]

I might have a reputation as a feet guy but I’d never play sub

(It’s pretty fun)

[indigo mulch]

I agree!

[balmy condor]

You’re into feet too?

Damn

[indigo mulch]

Yes.

The little toe is a beautiful thing.

[haughty flicker]

my nickname in college

[balmy condor]

Is that the one that went to market or is that one that stayed home

[haughty flicker]

i always stay home

[balmy condor]

We know.

[haughty flicker]

https://klipy.com/gifs/amma-cat-ts-js-pmo-icl

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

xal' aquack

[jade abyss]

Clean or hairy feets D:

[obtuse robin]

so what do we craft dagger?

[boreal lichen]

Why is lethal dose picked for mythik+ and fatal concoction for raids as fate bound ?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Fatal conc is more single target. The raid build is designed around having a lot of single target but still taking cleave talents

Lethal dose isn’t far behind and can possible even be better depending on your stats

But usually it’s a bit worse st, bit better aoe

[boreal lichen]

K ty

[bleak star]

Do we craft dagger now or wait for higher ilvl crests? Also has it been determined if we go hook embellish?

[balmy condor]

Craft a dagger

Fishhook is utterly worthless dogshit

Read guide

Guide say word good

[real pike]

What if I can't read

[balmy condor]

What

[real pike]

?

[balmy condor]

What

[red schooner]

Pick based on vibes

[balmy condor]

Huh?

[burnt juniper]

i drop into this channel for 5 seconds and am immediately met with feet pics

[bleak star]

ok ty, was just curious cause in pins other day said something about hook needed testing or something now its not in there. so max level early craft will be what 256 then witth max level mats?

[balmy condor]

I never pinned anything about hook so idk where you saw it

But it has literally always been shit

It’s a single target bleed with like 2 procs per minute

And it’s not even good single target

[bleak star]

what the helly am i going schizo swear you posted something with it when they buffed dmg procs

[balmy condor]

I mean there’s a pin about the buffed procs

But I just say it’s bait

Cause it is

Dunno

But yeh best thing atm is crafting a dagger with hunt and then recrafting later with myth crests

[eternal quail]

Whispr can you get in my implacable tracking trebuchet to yeet at bliz plz, sorry not sorry

[balmy condor]

And depending on whatever tuning happens on the 17th maybe swapping embellishments I guess but it doesn’t matter for shit cause all the usable embellishments are like 1-1.5%

[bleak star]

ok cool tyvm for the info, was just curious if it was wasteful atm to send the early craft.

[balmy condor]

And picking between thing A that’s 1.5% and thing B that’s 1.4%

Really won’t matter

Nah

Dagger craft is safe

[balmy condor]

Big

Rank 2 weapon oils already

Are they cheap

I haven’t dared looked

[eternal quail]

Don't.

[balmy condor]

My guild chefs said feasts are like 150k per craft atm cause the fucking roots

But yeh, figured

I’m just a stupid jewelcrafter assigned crit jewels for my guild

[eternal quail]

Roots down to 3.5 on my server

[balmy condor]

Gem market collapsed insta lowkey

Roots are a commodity, should be on the region wide AH

[eternal quail]

im bs weps and lw leather armour

[balmy condor]

EU I assume?

[eternal quail]

made my own shit

nah oce

[balmy condor]

Ah

Then maybe feasts are worth

We’ll see

[eternal quail]

bug fixed only in Australia, sucked in ig

what was up with drops off launch

Peerless Plumage and Fantastic Fur ect

0.0001% drop chance till reset lol

[balmy condor]

Dunno

[eternal quail]

Anyone found/made/bribed blizz for an Implacable tracking addon in the meantime, this is (Ass).

[balmy condor]

There was some addon floating around that I think could do it but I forgot the name and I haven’t actually seen anyone use it

So

Mileage may vary

[spice surge]

Personal food was very cheap though

[balmy condor]

Yeh we were told to level cooking just in case cause it’s cheap as hell

[eternal quail]

Milage!? Who even uses imperial measurement /s

[spice surge]

Made like 200 hearty royal feasts for like 10k

[eternal quail]

ill buy them for 11k oh wait theyre warbound fk

[spice surge]

Felt important as a pandaman to have food

[haughty flicker]

cooking is op

lvl entirely through vendor crap and its still actually profitable to craft food and sell it

[eternal quail]

im op, bel said im op

[balmy condor]

Bel knows best

[eternal quail]

trust the bel

[balmy condor]

Tell everyone what you’re playing this season bel

[eternal quail]

inb4 Marksman

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

Share with the class bud

[haughty flicker]

i would rather not

its ok on the 17th i will win out

trust

[eternal quail]

ok ok ok, Sudden Demise m+ pusher.....

[haughty flicker]

or at least get the major bug preventing one of my main sources of damage being able to crit fixed

[balmy condor]

He’s playing spriest

The stupid chud

Is playing spriest

[eternal quail]

god i need one of those in my guild tbh

[balmy condor]

No you don’t

They’re literally zdps

[haughty flicker]

me questing as holy bc it does more damage

[eternal quail]

yes i do. I pay them for PI and carry them

they die, i log harder, win win

[balmy condor]

They don’t want you to know this 1 weird trick to “fix” your tiny penis assassination energy

[eternal quail]

this one tiny/large trick big/small penus doesnt want you to know

fr tho my disc quit last season

big sad

[balmy condor]

POV I’m an athlete who had a back injury

[eternal quail]

dude parsed a few orders of magnitude higher than me

god disc

[eternal quail]

actual personal attack, how dare you

❤️

[balmy condor]

Me when the thing I use for frisbee golf breaks

Me when uh

[eternal quail]

umm, how do i, umm

arms?

fk

[plucky ember]

god. i got to say that i really like the new apex kingsbane

[balmy condor]

When the blu-ray factory went bankrupt in q4

[balmy condor]

Just wait till they remove the random aoe on the phys lashes and it removes like 75% of the damage from the talent

[eternal quail]

me when my arms break in m+ just after my disc leaves

[balmy condor]

True

[plucky ember]

seeing targets melt to it still tickles me

[balmy condor]

For now

[eternal quail]

actually, me after i miss a single gcd in my opener on any raid boss

[balmy condor]

Is there a mr gcd who’s also single

[eternal quail]

id also like to know

for a friend

[spice surge]

Or they add it to the tooltip 🙂

(except that has to be localized, so probably not happening)

[balmy condor]

Dude if they randomly say the phys hits are supposed to aoe

I’m gonna snap

Nature damage lashes caustic, phys lashes have random aoe range

If that’s intended

[spice surge]

Deathstalkers mark type shit right there

[balmy condor]

I will gut them like a fish

Just make the lashes all nature

So they all caustic

What the fuck is your problem

[eternal quail]

dont even, just dont

[balmy condor]

That would be so demented

[eternal quail]

I'd rather play mage over DS. There, I said it

and ive been sin since cata

[balmy condor]

But fatebound is bad thematics

[eternal quail]

yeah but, im irl casino dealer

coin flip is lyf

[balmy condor]

Do I want a nail up my urethra or be slightly disappointed by gambling

Decisions….

Was a thumbtack last expansion

[eternal quail]

actually that's a lie, watching others coin flip weighted die is lyf

[balmy condor]

Maybe by last Titan deathstalker will be so shit to play we’ll upgrade to the urethra screw

[eternal quail]

i played it in df when is was.

A

S

S

idk why

[balmy condor]

Well it’s worse now

[eternal quail]

numbers or gameplay, i havent touched it

[balmy condor]

Both I guess

[eternal quail]

rip

[balmy condor]

Fatebound does aoe now so ds has less of a strangle on m+

But you can’t move the mark at all now except for darkest night

[eternal quail]

guess ill go back to farming mining nodes on an alt that vanish halfway through mining them instead, much more riveting

[balmy condor]

So like, you can apply it without stealth

But you literally can’t reapply it quickly anymore

You have to play the mini game

[eternal quail]

ew, ew ew ew. EW.

[fierce sigil]

So is The way to Go in m+ fatebound atm?

[balmy condor]

If there is ANY mark on ANYTHING even a thousand miles away, can’t reapply

[balmy condor]

Fatebound is stronger overall in m+ but the rank 1 keys on assa will never play fatebound

[fierce sigil]

Hmm ok 🙈

[eternal quail]

ruining it for the rest of us

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker has prio and makes evasion usable

Fatebound can’t compete with that

[fierce sigil]

But im Not r1 gamer so its good for me ✌️😂

[eternal quail]

I'd have gotten away with being a R1 gamer too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids.

[boreal lichen]

Is the 15% magic dmg reduction rly that big ? Or am I missing more

[bleak star]

I’d assume 15 % dr is mega for higher keys

[steel ridge]

if its the difference between living or dying, its big enough

rogue has very little passive damage reduction to begin with

[eternal quail]

ever since Feint got a cd added on top of its energy cost, to get 2 levels of restrictions.... woo

speaking of, can we get burst of speed back. me running around inside, with 100% energy, but too tired to sprint

[steel ridge]

feint is both a broken def cd and annoyingly weak cause the skill requirement is pretty high

a high end player can abuse feint and live everything while a casual has no advantage from that ability whatsoever

and then theres classes like demon hunters that have like 25% magic dr permanently as a passive/semi passive while also having more health, leech and self healing, that can be used by a literal monkey

[eternal quail]

yeeeah..

[steel ridge]

not even mentioning how overpowered blur is

[eternal quail]

id be ok with feint having a cd if it didnt have an energy cost, or the reverse, but having both an energy cost and cd when energy is our dps limiting factor, while other classes have passive resists as good as or better kind sucks and makes no sense

[steel ridge]

the energy cost is fine i guess... its not on gcd anymore, that was a big change

its what, 15 energy?

[eternal quail]

25

[steel ridge]

-10 from nimble fingers

[eternal quail]

35 to 25 i think?

[steel ridge]

true

its powerful but annoying

[eternal quail]

mm

[steel ridge]

you have to consider the entire kit

and not every class can have everything i guess, so its fine that rogue has weird defensives

with a higher skill ceiling than ret paladin

[eternal quail]

I made a personal plater setup, but couldn't for the life of me work out where to put the combo points.

Considering that we spend on 5+ I ended up going for this, only visible on the current target, you can't see them on any other plate.

Thoughts anyone?

[rugged basalt]

I live under a rock, why is haste preferred over mastery now?