assassination

[balmy condor]

why did he decide to make a platform of misinformation

[strange onyx]

Money

[weary stump]

I know the guy who makes Microsoft

[balmy condor]

good answer

[strange onyx]

Thank you, he is a good guy. Big fan

Also made wowanalyzer and works for warcraftlogs

[balmy condor]

honestly if I could rake in big ad revenue just scraping the most popular data from thousands of shitters logging random stuff

I probably would too

[strange onyx]

Exactly

[balmy condor]

I talk to xeph sometimes, he works on that team as well

the devs are all very nice people

whole wcl team is brilliant

and very cute

[warm vortex]

Just like u

[balmy condor]

they just use their energy making satanic things like archon

which like, makes money

fair enough ig

[cobalt haven]

Where is Mr. Taint

[balmy condor]

here's the biggest dps talent build used in a specific dungeon between +7 and +12 keys in the last 2 weeks

ty archon very cool

the most popular gear is crafted

really now

how incredibly interesting

the most popular gems used:
yep, they have stats

[fickle coral]

I had to add a specific rule to my adblocker for Archon's 'hey please don't block our ads' thing

[static glacier]

@balmy condor I appreciate what you do for this community, wanted to let you know (still don’t appreciate years of guild news spammed with Diablo mr John wowhead)

[balmy condor]

like the thing about archon is that if the information on guides/theorycrafting overlaps with what the streamers and high key pushers are running for that spec

for example if the tc has good relationship with streamer persons

then archon becomes literally pointless

because all the info would just be present in guide form already across multiple content creators, discords, and websites

and archon would just be a useless reflection of what is already standarized

[static glacier]

Issue is wow TC lacks universal intellectual and academic rigour- if that was present you’d have less need for all this kinda stuff since quality of TC output wouldn’t be asymmetrical

[balmy condor]

in the case where that community dynamic isn't true, it's literally just a popularity battle between what top runners do vs what guide writers say

which at that point is not reflective of what is actually "correct", it's a reflection of the sentiment within the specs community

this is especially true if there's a recommendation for "the average joe" from a tc/guide writer that is not used by rank 1 key pusher

which in that situation, also makes archon useless

[static glacier]

Like people are so unsure of what’s trustworthy that max litterally advises textbook appeal to authority about it

[balmy condor]

so kinda regardless of anything, archon is useless

[balmy condor]

yeh

[static glacier]

Ye the premise it’s built upon is just uncontrolled data aggregation with no real capacity for control

Aka bs xd

[balmy condor]

[warm vortex]

Just pick what does more damage

[static glacier]

People using it to answer an entirely different question: they want what does good dam, it answers this is what people have done runs with

[warm vortex]

Idk what the big deal is

[static glacier]

It’s nonsensical - every group has its own constraints, optimising for another comp’s circumstances is dumb

[balmy condor]

also as cool as these graphs are, it's literally nonsense lmao, there's 100 parses between 450-500 mastery, and 85 parses between 200-250 mastery

your data set

has a literal swing of 100%

???????

[static glacier]

As I said no control xd

[balmy condor]

thanks I fucking guess

but it rakes in money and that money pays my friends, so I guess I will monkey see no evil

idk

[static glacier]

Problem with this shit is it mixes noise from human elements with a question that has a numerical answer; the reasonable way of synthesising is making trade offs between ideal in theory and in practice after finding the numerical apex

Also why the fuck am I speaking like this today, Jesus

[balmy condor]

it's somehow still a lesser evil to other games where the meta is just blindly follow degenerate lifeless streamer

so I guess I'll take it

[balmy condor]

nerd

[static glacier]

It’s great, we have our little tiny gamer microcosm of scientific research and inquiry

[jolly stirrup]

Bro my head hurts because I did not have caffeine this morning

Time to stop the daily basis energy. Even though they taste so good

[static glacier]

I’ve been in some philosophical hole for 6 hrs

[warm vortex]

That’s when you realise it’s an addiction

Plus it makes it so that if you acc have coffee it feels like god

[jolly stirrup]

Yeah I know

Time to stop and only have them on days off or smth

When caffeine free white monster

[fickle coral]

So Assa is basically one of the simplest to play melee specs rn, yea?

[warm vortex]

I’m super strict on what I drink
I ONLY drink tea, milk, and water

[balmy condor]

I don't think assa is one of the simplest

something like sub is easier just as a baseline

but I think it's probably below-average difficulty

[fickle coral]

thats fair

[warm vortex]

Bro play MM

I have 3 buttons to track and one of those is a 2 min cd

[fickle coral]

Question about this part of the rotation in solo boss content - this literally can't be done without resetting the fights. Do we just send Deathmark on CD regardless or is there something else to line it up with?

[balmy condor]

it can be done

[fickle coral]

It cannot

in delves and brawls it resets the fights

trust me its pissing me off

I vanish, boss despawns

[balmy condor]

I literally do it all the time, you just can't vanish between gcds

[fickle coral]

...what?

[balmy condor]

it has to be an instant vanish->cast

[fickle coral]

Huh

[balmy condor]

if you vanish and then sit there for half a second because you're stuck in the GCD

it'll despawn

[fickle coral]

I see. I'll try it.

[balmy condor]

might be worth doing a macro or something

something simple like /cast vanish /cast garrote

and then making sure you're not mid-gcd

hit macro

will work

[fickle coral]

Well shit

worked without the macro even but ill make it anyways

ty!

[balmy condor]

[fickle coral]

I think I will wind up as the only rogue in my guild's raid this tier. Our other rogue ran off to be a BM hunter.

[balmy condor]

what a loser

they couldn't have even picked something based like frost mage or dev evoker

had to be bm

[strange onyx]

I am gonna start streaming my content so I can spread misinformation

[balmy condor]

swear to god I'll spit in your mouth bud

[fickle coral]

Dont forget to mention Earthen is best rogue race cause 10% bonus armour, survivability and all that

[real pike]

Fuck that's hot

[calm grail]

You know what really grinds my gears? Not having a WA to tell me to put poisons back on when I forget every hour.

[balmy condor]

just download 3 addons instead

[real pike]

Guess I need to start spreading misinformation so I can spread my lips for daddy whisp

[calm grail]

Have my kids.

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/wide-cat-wider-gif-3879805434184283975

[real pike]

Are we feeling easy to learn and medium to master at the moment?

[balmy condor]

we're feeling easy to learn and if you're able to understand the apex talent you win

[calm grail]

Sin Rogue is Devoker now.

[balmy condor]

apex4 is quite strange btw

[calm grail]

Dig into this a little deeper for me. 200 words minimum.

[balmy condor]

very whack talent

[balmy condor]

do I look like chatgpt

[fickle coral]

I havent even looked at what the apex talent is

[calm grail]

Apex4 looks real cool though.

[fickle coral]

but I play fatebound so I assume I won't care

[balmy condor]

here, we'll do a pop quiz. Here's apex4

1. How many hits does it do
2. which hits cleave, and how
3. how many combo points does it generate
4. if you do not have dragon-tempered blades and your only lethal poison is deadly, how many poisons are applied

the trick is that every one of those question is a trap

good luck

[calm grail]

10 hits!?!?

5 maybe? if none crit?

[fickle coral]

ima just turn off brain and smash KB on cd.

itll be fine im sure

[strange onyx]

Seek help. At archon

[real pike]

1. 5
2. All, and from caustic
3. 5
4. 5

[static glacier]

The basics of keep both dots on remain, don’t overcap energy or combo points. Beyond that you want to chain envenoms for the numerous benefits and then intentionally allow chains to break at appropriate times for refreshing rupture or for your apex talent if its max stacks and you won’t overcap energy to trigger it

[calm grail]

I'm more concerned with the energy bit, or do I just send envenoms until I can't?

[real pike]

Already subscribed on all of my accounts

[static glacier]

That’s fundamentally what they’re going for gameplay wise

[fickle coral]

I think Alchemy will be where its at for dps/healing pots and extra long flasks. Alch trink prolly wont suck until I can get actually good trinkets, either

[balmy condor]

in order:

1. ||10 hits, 5 phys and 5 nature||
2. || the nature damage hits caustic, the phys ones do not, but they coded the phys hits to have an aoe (probably a bug and spaghetti), so they just naturally cleave for some reason||
3. ||5 cp, because that's "per lash", not per hit, and since it's 5 lashes, but 10 hits, it's 5cp||
4. ||each "lash" applies the total of your lethal poisons, so if you only have 1 lethal poison, you only get 5 kb stacks. If you have 2 lethal poisons, you get 10 kb stacks, split 5 and 5. These lashes do actually apply those poisons as well, so you'll also get 5 stacks of amp poison for example||

[real pike]

What if we can refresh rupture while keeping the chain going?

That was my favey part of dragonflight envenom chaining, keeping it going as long as possible while doing other things we were supposed to be doing

[static glacier]

That’s perfectly fine and there’s no issue with it, I’m just describing natural points to let the chain break

[calm grail]

You should keep quiet about #2 there.

[balmy condor]

it's not that impressive

since it's a phys hit it's reduced by armor

and the damage from the lash itself is kinda meh

[static glacier]

After you cap implacable stacks you would want to let the chain drop or suffer future energy losses

[real pike]

So you're saying I got 75%

[balmy condor]

you got #3, #4, and half of #2, so I'd say you got 2.5/4

[static glacier]

Do we know the phys %dmg ratio cleaving?

[balmy condor]

but yeh close

[static glacier]

Compared to main target

[balmy condor]

it's just full aoe

[static glacier]

Kekw

[balmy condor]

like it legit just has an aoe range

[real pike]

Pretty impressive considering I had absolutely no idea why the answers were what they were

[balmy condor]

the theory is that they copy pasted some spell data for the lashes

and the aoe range on the phys hits

just copy pasted over

because of course it did

[real pike]

Prolly Activision overlords getting them to use AI to write their code

[balmy condor]

I doubt that

I think it's legit just overworked devs on understaffed teams having to hit deadlines

[strange onyx]

Thoughts on the bleed build I am gonna start playing on stream? We drop apex as it does no bleed damage

[balmy condor]

uhm acktuallie

apex2/3 is bleed damage

[severe meadow]

Are you trying to run SD?

[spice surge]

The best part about any bleed build is that to get avulsion you need to talent amp poison which you aren't gonna use

Phenomenal design on the pathing there

[vivid mulch]

This thing is so duuuumb

[solar wyvern]

Bleed build is great if you enjoy doing less pack damage and also less boss damage!

[real pike]

Assuming this just makes quest mobs friendly so you have to wait 10 seconds to kill them

[strange onyx]

Don’t put information in my misinformation

[spice surge]

Have you tried the phalanxformation? Might be a good alternative formation

[balmy condor]

charrend check dms for technology

[haughty flicker]

[rustic bison]

Hello. So, Shiv is no longer part of the core rotation it looks like? It's just back to using it to remove buffs?

[balmy condor]

yes, there's a minor min-max with it on deathstalker but you can realistically ignore it

[rustic bison]

Thanks. Man, I really like how easy it is to spread bleeds now. But, I am constantly energy starved. Granted, only level 87.

[strange onyx]

Whata helly, share with the entire class

[balmy condor]

it's not that interesting to be fair, but charrend is my yap target for m+ testing things

also wouldn't make sense without like 3 weeks of context

[strange onyx]

The lvl 90 talent fixes it. It’s called glow up

[rustic bison]

This is something I experienced after high school.

[strange onyx]

Bro has found the hidden envenom at 1 combo point tech

[glass viper]

Where's everyone getting their daggers from? I'm full 220-230 now except I've never seen a dagger drop so stuck on 200/197

[balmy condor]

yeah surely

[rustic bison]

Does anyone ever wish that Outlaw and the other two specs were not weapon specific?

[strange onyx]

Heroic dungeon, you should be able to queue for them in game

[strange onyx]

I wish sub was 1 warglaive and 1 bow just like the new DH

[vivid mulch]

Bro is the stomarion shit bugged?

done it twice now, no chest

[balmy condor]

can get daggers from maisara, murder row, and there's one on the drop table from rares

[solar wyvern]

Tldr, what we knew we already knew but then data reflected it incorrectly so ??? Then backend fixed and were back to knowing what is already known

[strange onyx]

No active until Midnight begins

[strange onyx]

It is known thank you. Envenom at 4 combo 📝

[vivid mulch]

ah gotcha

[rustic bison]

Also, should I be opening with Ambush or Garrote? I noticed Garrote gives 3 combo points from stealth.

[weary stump]

It is active, I completed it last night; you have to do the side quests the rift blade chick gives first

Complete all of the singularity questline then do the stormarion event again and you'll complete the world quest

[balmy condor]

no reason to ambush anymore

[grim jay]

I still like to ambush your back entrance

Wait what

[weary stump]

Why doesn't ambush turn us into a shrubbery

[grim jay]

Whats a shrubbery

[weary stump]

Since we're saying am bush

[grim jay]

[weary stump]

[vivid mulch]

LOL

[rustic bison]

So, can I actually remove it from my bar then? This is wild. The rework. It used to be a core ability.

[balmy condor]

yep, go for it

it's still a core ability to be fair, especially on raid builds

because of blindside

but blindside procs replace mutilate

so you don't need a keybind for that

[rustic bison]

Thank you for answering my questions. 🙂

[strange onyx]

Do you get anything for it?

[weary stump]

You get the weekly box that the world quest says is your reward

[strange onyx]

And in it?

[weary stump]

It's just crests and shit though

I don't recall it giving any gear straight up at least

[strange onyx]

🤔🐗

[rustic bison]

Is there an easy way to track when you have Darkest Night active?

[balmy condor]

the cdm

[strange onyx]

That’s Cooldown manager

[hearty seal]

yah
it makes zero sense

[severe meadow]

Just some crests and the currency for the event I think

[rustic bison]

I sent you a DM.

[severe meadow]

Definitely an event of all time

[strange onyx]

Whispyr gets all the DMs 😔

[balmy condor]

I got everyone in my dms at 6am

[haughty flicker]

its 9 am though

[grim jay]

Its past 3 pm

Stop living a lie

[bitter solar]

at least my is just a picture of my cat lawyering up

[balmy condor]

it's not like I have a meeting in 6 hours or anything

[strange onyx]

Who you meeting buddy?

[balmy condor]

your mom

[strange onyx]

Oh that’s nice

What you gonna talk about? Tell her I’ll drop by tomorrow

[spice spire]

Guess I’m nobody damn

[strange onyx]

Who are u?

[spice spire]

Damn

[strange onyx]

What race do yall play on your rogue?

[lethal turtle]

Nelf

[balmy condor]

orc

[lethal turtle]

Bc of looks

[strange onyx]

I am a zandalari

I am glad we got to know each other

[royal lantern]

cooking is so free this time lol

why do the fishing recipes even exists if you can level it up to 100 and make the best personal food with just meat/plan meat and nothing else lmao

[vivid mulch]

Does preys reset weekly or daily?

[balmy condor]

weekly

[vivid mulch]

Good

[weary stump]

Has anyone tried the classic shroud of concealment the auction house in new silvermoon yet btw, and if so does it work again

[balmy condor]

the what

[weary stump]

When blizzard accidentally lets us stealth the auction house

Last time it happened was dragonflight, but it happens every few expacs

[balmy condor]

oh

no

[weary stump]

Sad

[strange onyx]

Did you see the thing with shroud tho?

If you are in a party with someone and use shroud and they are near you they also get stealth

[weary stump]

I love when it works so I can mildly inconvenience some people for a few seconds

[strange onyx]

But it’s only for like 15 seconds (I didn’t time it)

[weary stump]

And yeah, but the bug is that it sometimes works on NPCs that you aren't in party with

So you can do a small act of terrorism with it every few years

[spice surge]

Fun fact, if you accidently select deathstalker and accidently select the talent "Shroud of Night" it lasts for an additional envenom

[weary stump]

Our kit really is something

Just remember, in like 30 years pickpocket will be useful again

[strange onyx]

We try to be kind to each other here

[plucky ember]

anyone here doing skinning

[strange onyx]

Ye

[tropic dove]

me

[strange onyx]

Waddup?

[plucky ember]

are any of you able to get the " rare " drops from skinning?

like the tufts or such

[rare stone]

Some, rare though

[plucky ember]

ive gotten 2 from rares

[rare stone]

I have had better chance getting the epic drops from the lure skins

[balmy condor]

POV me when I’m a psychopath and new murderer asking for advice from a serial killer discord

[plucky ember]

ah

[strange onyx]

Your job is literally to oversee guides on how to best kill stuff

[plucky ember]

i havnt found any skinning points from skinning stuff

[tropic dove]

neither did i

[strange onyx]

It drops a little bag next to the animals when they despawn

[plucky ember]

so i cant really go into the

what

[rare stone]

Blizzard admitted they accidentally turned on the KP points from drops too early

[plucky ember]

a bag

[rare stone]

and have now disabled them

but will do an extra catch up for everyone week 1

[balmy condor]

Fuck… you’re right

I’m probably on a list

[strange onyx]

You are on the list of people who have great input I bring forward

Consider yourself lucky and perhaps blessed?

[balmy condor]

I’m alive

How is that being lucky and blessed

[strange onyx]

You get to talk with me!

And you live in America! Yeehaw, pal 🤠

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-chug-chocolate-drink-gif-21574013

[balmy condor]

This world is a prison

[sacred oyster]

wasnt it useful in TWW for the wax thing recently?

[acoustic sky]

true

[fickle coral]

KP?

[coral ibex]

knowledge points

[rare stone]

^

[desert crest]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.

For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:

• Blizzard HUD
• Blizzard CDM

[rotund oak]

well u won several thousands

antagonists to become whole

u will say thats skill issue

well ild have to agree

[weary stump]

We are kind to eachother yes, but to those people of other classes

[calm grail]

Is the only real difference between Deathstalker and Fatebound (for dungeons) using envenom at max CP's during darkest night?

[spice surge]

You have to make sure the mark is on the right target as well, but yes

[calm grail]

And Deathstalker is definitely better in dungeons/keys at the moment?

[spice surge]

Nah fatebound is completely fine

[sudden skiff]

how noticable is the energy regen from the apex talent?

[wind condor]

Extremely

[nova aspen]

very noticable when you do it right

[sudden skiff]

cos im kinda loving it trying the class trial at 80 then if the apex creates less downtime itll be real nice

[spice surge]

It doesnt really impact it that much

[royal lantern]

its ~10% of your energy generation

idk why the 2 guys act as if its a giant thing lol

WoW players and making stuff up, name a more iconic duo

[spice surge]

The spec is still gonna have downtime, its designed around that

[nova aspen]

i'm not making shit up, calm down, it was an opinionated question

i notice when i have implacable buff and when i do not

[crude helm]

Is there’s a race sim chart for assa

[pliant remnant]

[shy heron]

Yes and worgen is the best

[pliant remnant]

Nah nah bro

Vulpera

Trust

[shy heron]

True, especially with their racial that's on the gcd

[severe meadow]

After many many years as human I’m finally swapping to the new race

They fuck

[haughty flicker]

I might make my shaman haranir

[shy heron]

Hasn't the difference between races been under the margin of error for quite some time?

[spice surge]

Not within margin no

But not a big difference either way, as long as you play one of the "good" races

And not like vulpera/undead

[severe meadow]

Yeah its really not a big deal outside of like.. small niches like NE meld and dwarf for stone

[spice surge]

My educated guess is that the best simming race is pandaren, mechagnome or orc

Or probably all 3 within margin

[crude helm]

Leaning towards orc/belf for my dagger rogue

I’m current m orc but that’s not as good on sub anymore with haste being a breakpoint stat

[haughty flicker]

Imagine not being belf in the belf expansion

[spice surge]

Its not really got anything to do with haste as sub (in good gear you can easily have it never hit haste)

Secondaries are just generally worse at the start of an expac

And agility is generally better

Because of scaling

[crude helm]

I see, hmm

[hasty sequoia]

Am I doing this right? Keep bleeds and envenom going, mut for cps and auto attack instead of mut spam to make sure you don't energy starve yourself ?

[crude helm]

Yeah

And let envenom drop every 5th

When you have 80(5) stacks of apex

[haughty flicker]

What if I can only count to four

[crude helm]

Warriors calling you

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/psychostick-gif-9783040362560805655

[nova aspen]

theres always ret paladin

im thinking about unholy or ele sham as my first and only alt

[haughty flicker]

Unholy is pretty fun

Also helps that its broken as fuck

[umbral sierra]

It just me or are we just out of energy after first 5 gcds of an aoe opener unless we have a tea charge

Gar, fok, (2nd fok depending on crits?), rupt, ct, ct 0 energy left unless use tea
Afk till energy comes back for envenom chain

[nova aspen]

dont forget your 2nd garr

garr garr fok

[umbral sierra]

Oh yeah bc gotta send 2nd one for extra duration imp gar before ct

[nova aspen]

yeah, or gar garr fok rupt, deathmark, KB

then CT CT

cuz CT spreads deathmark's juiced bleeds

[umbral sierra]

That’s good to know

[nova aspen]

i think its in the wowhead opener guide

[umbral sierra]

I’ve just been questing for the campaign and getting my shit pushed in on assa

[nova aspen]

for aoe

[umbral sierra]

Swaped to dh and was doing dummy pulls of elites

[nova aspen]

i had a pretty easy time up until about 88-90 then i found myself not being able to pull more than 3 mobs

[umbral sierra]

Didn’t really look at rotation since all I’m doing was the campaign so wasn’t looking for the min max stuff that I would want in raids etc

[severe meadow]

Yea the last area was tossing me around

[umbral sierra]

Struggling with 1 elite mob on assa at 80 with 130 ilvl

[severe meadow]

Granted I didn’t replace any gear until after hitting 90 lol

[nova aspen]

ah yea that doesn't surprise me. i was 170 ilvl going into leveling from full bis previously

[umbral sierra]

Yeah

Dh and lock were full myth track gear from s3

[nova aspen]

yea i started replacing at 89 lol

[haughty flicker]

turn in all delvers calls for 88-89, then professions 89-90

ez

[umbral sierra]

Lock being 1 dimensius ring short of wowhead “bis”

[haughty flicker]

[severe meadow]

I waited until 89 to turn in delve stuff

[nova aspen]

[severe meadow]

Free level

[umbral sierra]

So basically, do campaign on dh and dungeon spam rouge to 90

Rgr

[lucid silo]

whats the good leveling spec bois

[haughty flicker]

doesnt really matter

[tight ginkgo]

imagine not being bel in the bel expansion

[nova aspen]

all 3 specs are good to level

[haughty flicker]

but ngl sub feels way better in open world than it used to

[strange onyx]

Sub or SD Envenom spammer

[lucid silo]

sub it is bois

[haughty flicker]

you have dance and sectec up way more often now that you dont need cdr

[shy heron]

I plan on skipping all the quest text because I simply don't care about a blood elf paladin expansion

[strange onyx]

Actually one of the worst takes today

Congrats

[shy heron]

Thanks. I'm pretty toxic

[cobalt haven]

[nova aspen]

i dont care to play the pally class, but i liked the story i guess

or at least the story so far

[haughty flicker]

ive liked the questing

and i like how many different dialogue options/reactions there are for all the races and classes

[nova aspen]

harandar also on maxed settings

[severe meadow]

The areas are nice, didn’t pay attention to story

[haughty flicker]

also warlock voidwalkers start talking shit if you have them out in voidstorm

very fun

[haughty flicker]

[strange onyx]

Hang it on your fridge bucko

[nova aspen]

he stayed in the lines for the coloring (mostly)

[tight ginkgo]

I've blocked everyone on this cesspool of a server except for Bel

[nova aspen]

and me right

[tight ginkgo]

ofc

[nova aspen]

[weary stump]

Plus murder row having so many rogue specific dialogues is really nice

[fickle coral]

Huh there are certain Brawlpub mobs that just... will not spawn in if you're stealthed. 95% will work right but some just don't

gg blizz

[strange onyx]

The brawlers guild?

[jolly stirrup]

When do we swap bracers? how "important" are the embelishments on Weapon and bracers?

[strange onyx]

as soon as you can craft as it an easy "mythic" ilvl peice

if u happen to get a mythic bracer week 1 after your first craft (should be dagger) then it becomes a sim question

[jolly stirrup]

I mean while leveling ^^

[strange onyx]

Just swap when u get a higher ilvl piece

[jolly stirrup]

sry should have clarified

[strange onyx]

Only thing that has any worth is cloak

No worries!

Cloak outsims a 220 cloak atm, but u lose out on a lot of stamina (not that u need stamina atm, but bigger hp looks cooler when afk in Silvermoon)

[fresh kelp]

if you have mythic 2x gemmed enchanted rings they will be better than 220+ ilvl rings due to the new gems and enchants not really being purchasable yet, and due to losing a socket

embellishments are kinda mid though

im still using cloak/double old ring despite being 225 in bags

[jolly stirrup]

ye I knew rings, just wondered about weapon and bracers due to the embellishements

tyty

[strange onyx]

You are not gonna run any worthwhile content with 225 ilvl as m0 will be ez mode

[fresh kelp]

also true

[strange onyx]

so if u gotta ask for pre-season stuff just run with the mindset of ilvl > anything

[jolly stirrup]

[royal lantern]

i can still do reaction emotes, cant fool me

[tight ginkgo]

[spice spire]

Wtf

[humble verge]

hello

[weary stump]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-cute-nodding-kawaii-anime-gif-1180767381067764684

[humble verge]

why am i even doing this

[weary stump]

Because you wish to have that experience

[fallow canopy]

is this the 4th rogue?

[humble verge]

no 2nd

[fallow canopy]

thank god

you still have your sanity

[humble verge]

nah

im still doing 4

ive just been lazy leveling

[haughty flicker]

Get to delving

[humble verge]

[stuck lodge]

Did they hotfix not being able to track implacable? Turns out I can't count to 5, and looking for the tiny buff is miserable

[pliant remnant]

[vestal wren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ccGjar4Es

jokes aside, blizz changes the api regularly so addon authors might find ways to add functionality back

[lethal turtle]

What M0 trinkets are we wanting

smile

[severe meadow]

Check the wowhead list lil gup

[lethal turtle]

Where does it show M0 lil queef

[vestal wren]

wowhead lists are for raid/m+

they skipped pre raid lists this xpac

which makes sense, kinda

you go with what you get

highest item level first

[severe meadow]

I could’ve swore Whispyr had a pre bis section

[lethal turtle]

I think you are right, I believed you and thought I was cooked

Doubt itll matter much, just my normal group clearing was asking if I needed a specific trinket so we could do those dgns last

[royal lantern]

grab a passive trinket and use a active trinket that you can macro to your main CD

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shy heron]

frankly I'm not sure pre-bis even matters when they're gonna do a big tuning pass anyway

[severe meadow]

[pliant remnant]

Nothing but pre-BIS matters bro

This is the real endgame

[balmy condor]

I slammed like a dagger, the ring set, and a trinket into my bis page

but I didn't require writers to add it

[coral ibex]

buddy if ur not 6x 90's with renown 9 7 8 9 rn

[balmy condor]

cause frankly who cares

[coral ibex]

pack it up

ur done

season's over

[balmy condor]

"pre-season bis", which is just getting lucky from weekly m0's and then season comes out and you're spamming mythic+ for 8 hours before the raid opens

brilliant

[severe meadow]

Ye I just remember seeing something relevant to what he was asking for

I didn’t really look at the list myself xd

[balmy condor]

I know some writers decided to go above and beyond and add a pre-bis thing

[severe meadow]

I do check the trinket list in case some of those funky world quest ones are good

[balmy condor]

enhance has an entire tab dedicated to it

[balmy condor]

world quest ones also weren't required tbf

[keen spruce]

if you're not farming dirt piles for 3 ilvl on your cloak to make sure that first normmal raid clear goes smoothly then are you even playing the game?

[balmy condor]

I think there's a champ track one from voidspire after renown 5? or 6?

[severe meadow]

Isn’t that one ass

[balmy condor]

but I think it's basically just ilvl pad

yeh

[severe meadow]

I simmed it and it was only like

[balmy condor]

the world stuff seems no gud

[severe meadow]

1% better than a shit one I have

[severe meadow]

Isn’t that loa one okay

In terms of what we have access to atm

[balmy condor]

I mean, the loa one is "okay" in the way that it's better than all the other world drop stuff

but it's also "okay" in the way that it gets beat by like 10 trinkets from actual content

if you get basically any trinkets from m0 the loa trinket immediately loses

[strange onyx]

If you wanna farm out your "delves levels" fast. The delve for Atal'aman today lets you finish the entire delve in stealth as you can open the cage in stealth

So you can do the delve in 2 minute and go all the way up to Delve lvl 7

[severe meadow]

Might do that when I get home

[strange onyx]

Not sure how Delve rotation works, but this is EU

Stay small yeehawaboos

[severe meadow]

Yeah imagine being NA.. haha

[strange onyx]

You and Whispyr can fume together

[spice surge]

Even if they were, they would get nuked almost instantly because blizzard generally likes the hardest content rewarding the best loot

Its not like classic where some random ass lvl 68 quest reward is better than anything you find from kara or gruul

[severe meadow]

The funky ass helmet for Druid

[strange onyx]

that gnomeregan mace for feral druids

[fickle coral]

as a druid main back when wow classic launched, fuck that mace

you had to KEEP RUNNING ON IT

cause it had CHARGES

[keen spruce]

57x cog bonkers or you can't join our BWL progression

[feral mason]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned a hundred times but why is it possible to apply 2 ruptures simultaneously without deathmark

doesnt seem very intuitive

[strange onyx]

huh

[feral mason]

aint happening consistently but im getting 2 ruptures on mobs sometimes

seperate debuffs too aint a ui thing

[keen spruce]

is there another rogue if your group?

[feral mason]

oh

[strange onyx]

He is in a delve and it is Valeera

[feral mason]

dawg is it fucking valeera

im dead

[strange onyx]

I cracked the case

[keen spruce]

oop

[feral mason]

my fault

[keen spruce]

https://klipy.com/gifs/myth-busted-myth-busters

[runic hinge]

Delving as assa twin? Why

[feral mason]

cause my ui keeps exploding every time i switch to another spec and i cant be bothered

[humble verge]

have u tried not exploding

[keen spruce]

*assa

[woeful wigeon]

any of you as a rogue getting allot of dmg in the void storm ? 214ilvl bearly can pull 2-3 mobs without almost die

getting smacked like a truck

[strange onyx]

oh buddy

[humble verge]

scaling is ass

[severe meadow]

Ye but I did that area at like 170ilvl

My ass was getting thrown around a bit

@spice spire all over again

[spice spire]

[winter stirrup]

!bug

[night iris]

How can I track the energy generation from the apex talent 💀

[fickle coral]

1hour 10mins til I can start levelling

[spice surge]

You cant

[grave gazelle]

damn

[random fossil]

cant believe i have to wait until midnight to play midnight

[flint marsh]

yo is assa best spec ever or worst spec ever in midnight

[magic fossil]

how sin is doing so far guys? im a shameless pig and leveling as sub rn

[night iris]

Bro I can't believe it

[magic fossil]

im fucking disgrace

[spice spire]

Banned actually

[fickle coral]

serves you right for living in a timezone blizz doesn't love

the real eu ballers are starting at 20:30

[shrewd bane]

LMFAO

[balmy condor]

Swirl jumpscare

[shrewd bane]

it was in my ICYMI sowwy

[balmy condor]

in your what now

spell ICUP

love you

[shrewd bane]

[royal lantern]

going offline before all the ugly poor people show up

[lucid rune]

After much deliberation in the Poor Within (passed on early access, poverty boi), I will be taking my talents to Ravenholdt this season to main Sin rogue.

[indigo mulch]

I need inspiration for a UI 🙁

[fickle coral]

TWENTY MINUTE WARNING

[balmy condor]

20 minute warning for the broke bois

amen

[humble verge]

wowtoken price dumping

[lucid rune]

hey now... there's room for all of us.

[humble verge]

false

[fickle coral]

eh I was moving this past weekend so saw zero reason to make actiblizz an extra $50

[analog field]

where is the token now? it was like 320

thought of buying some

[humble verge]

340

[balmy condor]

you say you were moving, and yet you're saying you have no motion

weird!

[fickle coral]

que?

wow token was 240k earlier

[lucid rune]

a fellow canadian I see.

[humble verge]

sorry not na

[fickle coral]

thats ok, you'll get statified eventually after we are, i'm sure. like the 58th state or somethin

[manic matrix]

is it bad to do a 1cp envenom with Poisoner's drive proc to have a 1sec envenom and get your last stack towards 80% regene to get it to proc quickly?

[spice surge]

Yes

[balmy condor]

I just threw up

[humble verge]

why would you 1cp envenom

[spice surge]

Every stack of the regen is worth like 10-15 energy, so using 35 energy on an envenom that doesnt do much damage at all is not a worthwhile tradeoff

[manic matrix]

i was thinking just for last stack instead of just waiting to have more uptime on the energy regene proc but I haven't tried it at all might be dogshit

[balmy condor]

but it's not more uptime

in fact it's less

[coral ibex]

you're spending more energy to get less energy

[balmy condor]

well not really just that

but like

[coral ibex]

https://klipy.com/gifs/antonio-says

[spice surge]

Youre also griefing your envenom uptime

[humble verge]

no go🐔od

[balmy condor]

as long as you're not overcapping energy

you're getting the same amount of implacable

you're just doing so using a shit efficiency envenom at the end for some reason

[severe meadow]

RAAAA

[strange onyx]

I foresaw the 1 combo point envenom tech

[severe meadow]

Sweet Neptune

[humble verge]

it seems poors are ruining the game rn

[balmy condor]

Yeah well I’m doctor strange in this bitch, I can foresee 7 million optimizations that lose me damage

How about making /stopattack macros on every ability

Could be the move

Everything’s fair game if we’re trying to lose dps

[static glacier]

you heard of the no hands strat?

play sin with pedals bro, you using right or left for envenom? for me it's gas so right

[clever granite]

oh man i feel stupid asking but has anyone gotten the cooldown manager to work with implacable ? it shows me the buff i get after envenom runs out but not how many stacks i have :^) do i really have to count my 6 envenoms in my head ? pls save me

[spice surge]

!implacable

[prisma monolith]

Unfortunately you cannot track the Implacable stacks in the cooldown manager at the moment. All we can do is hope they add it in the future.

[clever granite]

damn the fact that there is a command for that is oddly comforting

i thought i was just slow

[solar wyvern]

!whitemonster

Huh weird...

[clever granite]

!nerfdk

unlucky

[spice surge]

I just made one because youre like the 30th person asking about it today

[clever granite]

sry män

[dapper halo]

yeah the wows own rupture timers aint cutting it

i really need a rupture timer in the middle of the screen, as a progress bar

[clever granite]

you can do that

[dapper halo]

with wows own kajigger?

[clever granite]

yea

[dapper halo]

time to fiddle around then

do you need an addon to do so

[clever granite]

nope raw dog it

in the tracked buff window you can choose between the icon or bar

problem is everything you track as a bar is then in the same "window"

[dapper halo]

wasnt there an addon so you can actually drag the damn thing or so

[visual sun]

atleast we can track sated now - a 10m debuff. who needs implaccable

[clever granite]

maybe moveanything (or something along those lines)

but i dont have it i was too lazy

[dapper halo]

well, that wasnt hard

would be nice if there was a number that showed how many ruptures and garrotes there are ongoing

[prime field]

Heya! Sorry for the dumb question but I was doing some dgs and I couldn't help but notice that after CTing a target with improved garrote for a second time the replicated garrotes spread are not the improved version anymore, leading to eventually the main target/ the two other from the first CT dropping the improved garrote to a normal one; is that intended? Or did I fuck something up? Or is it something on the indie company's side? Thanks in advance!

[frosty echo]

ok couple of things, can someone explain to me when sin does damage, and when do you use shiv?

i'm doing like 15k dps less as sin vs sub single target right now

is this just envenom spam spec now?

[spice surge]

They are all improved garrote until they run out

[prime field]

oh, perfect! I guess it's a bug with the debuff showcase then. Appreciate the help!

[narrow berry]

Hi, do you feel like you are missing energy sometimes after all cds down ?

looking to improve things with the energy regen buff / evenom but sill feel its not enough

[spice surge]

The spec is designed to not be able to fill every global yes

[balmy condor]

you run out by design, yes

[narrow berry]

ok thanks 🙂

btw thanks for the ytb video @balmy condor

[keen spruce]

https://klipy.com/gifs/mugatu-so-hot-right-now

*whispyr

[split grail]

Just venting but I hate the cold blood visual

[rocky violet]

same its annoying

[severe meadow]

I was like hell yeah until the bottom part

[echo heath]

i love how everything in this expansion pulls you out of stealth, feels like classic again

[hollow river]

You don’t use it

[echo heath]

and by love i mean hate

[limber grail]

How are you all liking the energy regen so far?

[eager solstice]

Energy is cringe but not as cringe as our dps numbers

[limber grail]

Is the future just stacking haste potentially?

Faster dot ticks, faster energy regen.

[keen spruce]

if we stack haste it's not for the reget

regen

all stats are just vers in a trenchcoat for assas

not directly for the regen*

[devout steppe]

Ye, you stack haste to swap to sub when you realize assa s doomed

[spice surge]

[keen spruce]

I think he means hastily swap to sub

or something

[echo heath]

WWWD

what would whispyr do

[night summit]

why does my assassination dmg seem low and always out of ernegy

[shy heron]

What could whispyr even do

[keen spruce]

dmg: cuz we stink
energy: cuz that's how we're designed

[night summit]

is outlaw or sub better?

[desert salmon]

Watch whispyr vid 31:42 you can find out energy management details

about apex talents

[keen spruce]

idk I play warframe now

[sick bridge]

Outlaw is a lot of work to play compared to the damage, especially compared to Sub

[desert salmon]

That's outlaws fun part though

[night summit]

anyone having issues with the UI not showing utility cooldowns

[little tulip]

plater still bad ?_?

[olive whale]

what're other classes doing rn as far as DPS? dmg seems fine to me, doing upwards of 70-100k on 3 pack pulls in HC dungs

[lethal python]

does anyone know of a work around for the poisoner addon?

[hasty gate]

You must be new to assa we have always been out of energy unless your not pooling. And if you spam to much. As for low dmg must just be you cause my dmg has been good so far

[spiral warren]

Fixed now?

[static glacier]

What do you mean fixed? This spec is meant to have downtime by design

[spiral warren]

Sure but fixed like less time out of energy?

[keen spruce]

what part of "by design" are we struggin with here

[runic hinge]

The whole thing

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/ibepoppingbottles-meme-knight-drip-dnd-gif-9062618776070481707

[real pike]

TIS BUT A SCRATCH

[sullen hedge]

so... does assassin just do no damage? im leveling and really confused

im like 2 shotting mobs as sub

[runic hinge]

Assa doesn’t 2 shot things, it has dots and things take time to die. Also if you’re not playing a bleed/sudden demise centric leveling build as opposed to the dungeon/raid build you’re gonna have a bad time

[sullen hedge]

yeah maybe its the build, i was just using a normal dungeon build

thats what i always do but i guess it's just not it right now

[keen spruce]

assas is always kinda scuffed at levelling

[blazing totem]

assas is always kinda scuffed at levelling

[static glacier]

Sin by design isn’t going to be amazing at open world stuff, dots and all. Sudden demise is a mixed bag but even when it goes off it’s still a total damage loss when compared to specs that just do their damage upfront

[warm vortex]

Counterpoint
When you get into the rhythm it feels addictive

[grim jay]

Ha

[midnight viper]

Is it better in lower tier dungeons(heroic, mythic, and low mythic+) to use fatebound or deathstalker?

[strange onyx]

If you gotta ask, then Fatebound

[foggy mirage]

Cooked response

[grim jay]

Can just use the "best" m+ build or delve build in the guide without worries

[strange onyx]

If you gotta cook a response, then Fatebound

[civic trellis]

if you respond, you're cooked

[warm vortex]

If you, cooked

[strange onyx]

If fate, bound

[lucid rune]

How many haranir rogues are here?

[severe meadow]

I swapped yesterday 😎

[lucid rune]

Got a race change I was going to burn on my shammy, but considering my rogue. NE -> Haranir

[lucid rune]

Liking it?

[severe meadow]

Oh yeah

[lucid rune]

Good enough for me 😂

[severe meadow]

Was this you in my dungeon..

[lucid rune]

Eff Outlaw, amirite?!

[severe meadow]

@balmy condor apparently that hot ass trinket is bugged in sims

The renown one

[grim jay]

Ye, its not as bad anymore but we still judge

[arctic hare]

Getting that fourth point in inplacable was actually great

[jolly stirrup]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[blazing tulip]

Is CD tracker not tracking the mark stacks properly or am I missing something?

[spice surge]

!implacable

[prisma monolith]

Unfortunately you cannot track the Implacable stacks in the cooldown manager at the moment. All we can do is hope they add it in the future.

[stuck lodge]

implacable? It doesn't track that

it's a tragedy

[blazing tulip]

Darkest night should only not consume a mark with envenom, seems to be working with rupture as well

[spice surge]

No the tooltip is just wrong

[blazing totem]

Implacable, afterall

[spice surge]

When darkest night is up you can't consume marks period

[blazing tulip]

Ty

[analog hornet]

Ähm, can we track cs? I cant see the debuff XP only in the target itselfe XP

[spice surge]

Caustic spatter? No

But you don't really need to

[analog hornet]

sometimes i switch the target... with noe reason XD I dont know how it can switch the target, so i miss one hit to CS XP

[spice surge]

Theres no reason to switch target really. But either way you can just envenom and it's up again

They removed all the prerequisites

[analog hornet]

yea, i know ^^ i think i click at another mob unconsciously

but nice to know ^^

[spice surge]

Missing a couple of auto attacks worth of spatter is not a big deal

[real pike]

SORRY if this has been answered already but do I want Valeera as tank or heal?

[coral ibex]

heal

[thorn crater]

Am I doin sth wrong or does sub feel better this early on with no stats and targets dying fast?

[late kestrel]

was playing sub but not happy with the simplifications so i want to give sin a shot this xpac. With the changes is the kingsbane timeline the same as War within?

[nova aspen]

sub did feel good lvling, many damages, much wow, little button

i lvled half sub half sin

[thorn crater]

i didnt have any season 3 gear from tww i quit in s1 so i started sin, but then it became a bit slow and around 86 i swapped to sub to get a bit faster

now in dungeons things die too fast XD

thinking if there is a point in playin sin in heroics

[nova aspen]

sin does need a few seconds to ramp, where sub is instant damage 2nd global

idk im having fun with both atm

[lucid rune]

Also outlol for grappling hook

Between the eyes #boomheadshot

[floral ruin]

Not trying to doomer but I actually cant play sin anymore, 10 years was good while it lasted but this shit feels so bad for me personally

[cyan kestrel]

What talent point is best to drop for Iron Wire for M+? Thrown Precision?

[runic hinge]

whats wrong with it

[little frost]

hey guys is it possible to track implacable stacks with cooldown manager ?

[runic hinge]

!implacable

[prisma monolith]

Unfortunately you cannot track the Implacable stacks in the cooldown manager at the moment. All we can do is hope they add it in the future.

[little frost]

sadge

[storm forum]

Is it weird that I feel good about asking that question before we got a command for it?

[fallow canopy]

You paved the way

[cyan kestrel]

implacable tracking the half of the buff we dont want is classic blizzard

[coral ibex]

ask and receive

[floral ruin]

I enjoyed the way it used to feel, not so much now. no biggie, its a chance to try new things 😄

[royal lantern]

what the hell are those green triangles

[lucid rune]

Top 3 sin rogue races

[little tulip]

driver update?

i was getting some hitches in silvermoon

[night path]

I will start playing my Assa rogue. Is there any good Guide?

[foggy mirage]

Where do u usually look for guides?

[velvet ridge]

I'm so sad, same as you. I mained sin thru the thick and thin. But I don't think I'm gonna play this. I'm moving on to sub rn

[severe meadow]

Wowhead

[iron carbon]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[quartz cloak]

What is it that you don’t like
right now?

[lucid rune]

Haven’t mained sin since BFA. Crimson tempest change brought me back

[velvet ridge]

Skill expression and gameplay. I felt good tracking my bleeds on different targets, my caustic spatter target, having to refresh caustic and move it. I enjoyed having the option to vanish and aoe silence mobs. Now I'm just sitting here spamming CT.
I liked the maybe awkward gangily sin before, tracking a bunch of stuff.
It felt rewarding to play properly, I just don't feel that anymore

[mint urchin]

Idk sin feels almost identical to last season outside of m+ infinite energy

[analog field]

I mean no one was tracking each individual bleed. We had the prio mob and when it was in pandemic we refreshed

Also iron wire dead talent for more than a year

[quartz cloak]

I think a lot of the aspects you mentioned are still the same in a sense. Havent played Assa rogue yet cause I had no early Access, I loved TWW Assa and was curious about your opinion. I think it played very fluent in TWW so I hope it is still fun.

Isnt Sub on the other Hand losing a lot of fun in the skill expression area?

[velvet ridge]

I've always been a iron wire enjoyer, I like the utility

[lucid rune]

Did they get rid of stealth movement for night elves?

[analog field]

Yeah but especially in season 3 you were losing a ton of damage so in practice it was unplayable

[velvet ridge]

I'm new to sub, picking it up now, maybe it is pretty similar, black powder spam vs CT spam. Don't really know yet.
I very much loved the sin playstyle in Tww, playing early access though, its different, and different for me in a bad way.

[worn nimbus]

assassination looks cooked, this spec got turbo owned

[velvet ridge]

Lmk how it feels after playing it. I also didn't play beta. I thought it was gonna be fine, but it feels much worse than I expected

[runic hinge]

it feels nearly the same to me except no infinite energy in aoe

except caustic sucks way less, pressing muti in aoe every 8 globals was stupid

[thorn crater]

i think it feels we dont have time to deal any dmg right now shit dies too fast

prolly gonna change with m+ release

[solar wyvern]

Felt fine on beta

[junior yoke]

Do reshii wraps still bis at 90 lvl?

[solar wyvern]

I think 230 ilvl starts to outscale the wraps

Ish

[junior yoke]

Oki, i have some 224 cloak but I did. Ot change for the moment

Thank u

[solar wyvern]

Can always sim it

But youll replace it on champ track im almost 100% sure

[junior yoke]

I'll sim it at home, forgit about that, too much tine off 😂 thank u

[royal lantern]

well

sub is melee bm hunter now

[haughty flicker]

Nothing is melee bm

[solar wyvern]

This post was made by pink guy gang

[haughty flicker]

Just the fact that ret has 4 cds to press instead of bms 1 means its not melee bm

[warm vortex]

BM isn't even the easiest hunter spec atm haha

I legit track 3 buttons as mm, and one of those is a 2 min cd

[haughty flicker]

We dont talk about mm

Genuinely biggest loser of midnight holy fuck

[spice surge]

Things to track doesnt necessarily correlate with difficulty, since sub had few things to track even before midnight

MM still have to stand still to cast aimed shot dont they?

Compared to ADADADADADAD of BM

[haughty flicker]

That fact alone makes it hard to ever call another spec easier than it for me

[mint urchin]

MM is def in a weird state right now

[mint urchin]

Yes, and you cast it like every other gcd roughly

[misty torrent]

Is there a way to track how many Envenoms I stacked? So I get maximum out of Implacable

[spice surge]

!implacable

[prisma monolith]

Unfortunately you cannot track the Implacable stacks in the cooldown manager at the moment. All we can do is hope they add it in the future.

[misty torrent]

Damn... Gotta learn to count to 5

[royal lantern]

dont need to brag

[jolly stirrup]

I used to Main Jhin, I can only count to 4

[tropic dove]

real for that

[glossy light]

!UI

[prisma monolith]

Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.

For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:

• Blizzard HUD
• Blizzard CDM

[fallow canopy]

should we be tracking tea

[mint urchin]

No

[gray hazel]

How are peeps tracking the envenom buff?

[spice surge]

!implacable

[prisma monolith]

Unfortunately you cannot track the Implacable stacks in the cooldown manager at the moment. All we can do is hope they add it in the future.

[spice surge]

But envenom itself can be tracked through the cooldown manager, if thats what you were referring to

[gray hazel]

gotcha

I guess i should prob look into that more eh

thanks

[blissful crane]

so my DS mark isn't working. No other creature has it on them. I have relogged and nothing.

is this a known bug?

[spice surge]

Yes, relogging usually fixes it though

One of the reasons why people arent keen on playing Deathstalker

[blissful crane]

yeah it was working no issues until this reset and i haven't seen it at all.

alright thanks for letting me know, big dawg

[spice surge]

It can happen in keys and raid too

The paladin boss have bubbles, if you have mark up when they use it youll lose the mark for the rest of the fight, and if you open and apply mark to a target that is evading (because your tank is jumping over a fence or something) it gets "applied", but it was evaded so its stuck on the mob but you cant use it

[jolly stirrup]

Its not just me, we do have a lot more downtime/less energy in M+ right? Due to the massive nerv to {Insert Talent here}

[spice surge]

Yes ST and AoE have similar pace now

Instead of infinite energy in aoe and slow ST

[jolly stirrup]

A middle ground was not possible

I still enjoy it

[spice surge]

I mean theres plenty of other specs if you want to press a button every global

[jolly stirrup]

I love new CT

[jolly stirrup]

Nah I am good ^^

[analog field]

It is fine I don't get why every other message is like we are starving. Ofc it is not like TWW but still you have less downtime than you used to have in ST and aoe now is pretty ok

[balmy condor]

This is the middle ground in fact

ST is faster than it was at the end of tww

[junior yoke]

Personally I'm not playing this spec atm, energy starved and superlow dmg

I'm mot even having fun

[fleet whale]

That’s how rogues are at the start of every expansion.
It’s not a good feeling class with dungeon blues

[junior yoke]

Spec***

[junior yoke]

I rly hope u're right, I've always loved sin

At least we're not outlaw

[coral ibex]

bruh what the spec was like 57 apm in s3 wasnt it

[balmy condor]

No

[jolly stirrup]

I see

[severe meadow]

Keeping them down

[subtle tundra]

beating bots is whatever

i can beat follower dungeon bots too

[fierce tulip]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shell plaza]

hey, is there a way to only track the bleeds in any nameplates addon, without the poisons or doesnt work in midnight?

[nova aspen]

the default nameplates only show bleeds, and they are a bit customizeable

got mine to look like that

that pic was from prepatch, they look a lil better now but im at work

[shell plaza]

thx mate, works fine now ❤️

🥂

[strange onyx]

Hej buds

[ancient ingot]

hi guys maybe someone know wtf with my plates? full name after hp bar even

[balmy condor]

What addon are you using

[ancient ingot]

plater - casual profile

[balmy condor]

yeah

plater

that's your issue

[vivid mulch]

I think de boar be sleeping

[crisp pine]

it clearly says weeping

[vivid mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053037639852380170/1260166045612642324/er.gif

[ancient ingot]

and how i can fix it?

[balmy condor]

uninstalling plater

[strange onyx]

He has the tech

[runic hinge]

proof?

[torn dome]

just did a follower dung, my god

sat there dick in hand waiting for energy regen

esp. with CT being 60

GG

[vestal wren]

follower dungeons in general are painful

was kinda shocked to have this as a new player experience as part of the questing/leveling experience

[pliant remnant]

Get Platynator or summin instead

[jolly stirrup]

Is it normal to do less damage than them? XDD

I was sometimes 3rd in damage

[torn dome]

"we spent time and money creating this content so we will force you to do it"

that and delves

garbage

[pliant remnant]

Dunno, I went Sub and like minimum doubled 2nd DPS while I was doing them during levelling

[torn dome]

letme spam Qs!

[vestal wren]

could be a problem with the damage meter, i play as subtlety so can't say how damage compares on assassiantion

[shy heron]

what was your ilvl though? were you juiced from having raid gear?

[pliant remnant]

Yeh 'course, it was my main last tier so full S3 BIS

[shy heron]

afaik they don't scale to anything but the content's difficulty

[strange onyx]

Should mark some of us as kind players where we get to help people do the dungeons for questing and we get augment runes

[vestal wren]

we did the 2 dungeons (me and my gf, she as tank) because we got told doing these on normal is buggy and often don't count

but man

[pliant remnant]

Pretty sure Sub still easily beats Assa during levelling at least though

[vestal wren]

these followers pull everything, they even go out of their way to pull extra mobs you would not come near

which means a follower dungeon can easily take 30-45 mins

[pliant remnant]

The hunter and shaman are absolute criminals

[strange onyx]

Delves are some of the best content they have released in years and I don’t even like them

[vestal wren]

the hunter is designed to fit the stereotype

they pull just like you would expect a hunter to pull
"oh, there is a pack we haven't pulled?"

[vestal wren]

i like the one you need to open cages

because you can do so while staying in stealth

so can skip a lot of the delve

[strange onyx]

Yeah, spammed out to lvl 7 on that yday xd

[vestal wren]

the voidstorm ones are atrocious

[strange onyx]

It is what it is, but for just some solo content I can appreciate even if it is not made for me in particular

Must be mega good for casuals and easy way for some good ol’ hero gear and something to work towards

[unreal flame]

are deathstalkers mark stacks chance to consume? sometimes i feel like ill have 3 and full combo point envenom twice and nothing happens

[spice surge]

If you have Darkest Night up you cant lower the mark below 3

[unreal flame]

ah thats probably what it is, and told myself during prepatch too

thanks lol

[spice surge]

So for example if you have Darkest Night up and press garrote, youll apply 3 marks

But Darkest Night wont consume any

[unreal flame]

yeah

[spice surge]

Nor can you do it with rupture, if darkest night is active

[unreal flame]

think it throws me off now too with Quietus Celeris

[balmy condor]

sometimes the npc's will have cds and you wont

so yeh

[haughty flicker]

i only did one dungeon on rogue while leveling

but idk about lsoing to followers

[unreal flame]

if you press anything during the kingsbane implacable effect it cancels it out right? or does it still go through

[strange onyx]

Is it too early to start hitting the «what do I craft?» question

[gleaming geyser]

its already in the guide; weapon as always

[strange onyx]

Nah nah

Not like that

Don’t give me information 🫩☝🏻👋🏻

[balmy condor]

it goes through

[unreal flame]

okay cool, i had realized i didnt watch the full animation of it and ive been 90 for a few days already and i was like wait a second

[balmy condor]

you do have to be facing the enemy though

[storm forum]

Ur telling me I can't jump and 360 spin during my KB global?

[unreal flame]

[strange onyx]

Any good WA packs to recommend to a freshly dinged 90?

[unreal flame]

the amount of quests in voidstorm though

[rain oyster]

I commend y’all for sticking with the dogshit that death stalker is for 2 xpacs

Maybe one day I’ll be a yellow name again

[tired wagon]

Any good addons to remind me to apply poisons

[pliant remnant]

Klicker's Poison Reminder if you only want poisons