assassination

[balmy condor]

do not speak to me unless you've had a quintuple shot 32oz starbucks cup that tastes like a sugar cookie

[strange onyx]

Its not about the caffeine, its about the nice warming feel that a cup of coffee gives

[lethal turtle]

I drink coffee plain. Idk if it’s a warm feeling I feel

[strange onyx]

Same, all about that black coffee

[balmy condor]

What if the warm feeling I get is my arteries pulsing through my skin

[lethal turtle]

Feels like I’m licking deaths bhole

[strange onyx]

Do some blood letting

Thats truly the rogue class fantasy

[violet otter]

is it worth to skill engeneering and get the leather boots for rogue? whats special about them compared to lets say the ''usual leatherworking boots'' ?

[strange onyx]

Nah waste of emebelishment

Get bracer and dagger

[royal lantern]

why are you not grinding heroic dungeons

i bet you are not even 225 yet

[balmy condor]

Too busy making gems

[strange onyx]

Let unc chill, he is polishing rocks for the rest of us

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’m out here just

https://tenor.com/view/punya-gw-gif-21591247

[royal lantern]

harandar makes me wanna be a hunter

the animals there look so cool

[strange onyx]

Harandar makes me want to summon Ragnaros

[runic hinge]

I want to be a cat

[strange onyx]

Got my lil guy

Never going back

[royal lantern]

how do you get that one

[haughty flicker]

i havent checked yet but the deathclaw fuckers are beasts

so i really hope hunters can tame them

[strange onyx]

Pick moths until your eyes bleed

[haughty flicker]

oh is that the one for like 120 moths or something silly

lmao

[royal lantern]

WoW players force something that you couuld do organically in a couple months while doing stuff in 2 days, and complain about it being grindy

[strange onyx]

not complaining

just hate Harandar

[balmy condor]

I am complaining

[strange onyx]

Boring story and silly zone

Thats your thing, buddy. You the complaining guy

[balmy condor]

God bless finally I have a source of self worth

[strange onyx]

My thing? Big smile, I just do big smiles

[balmy condor]

I derive purpose from being a hater

[strange onyx]

I know ): Thats why you timed me out for 24 hours

[royal lantern]

i dont like eversong that much tbh

they try to put way too many different themes into it, which makes it feel very disconnected

[balmy condor]

Did I

For what

[strange onyx]

I foresaw the Assassination rework before alpha came out smh

[balmy condor]

Based

Timed you out to stop yourself from breaking NDA

Really I’m just always the good guy never done anything wrong tbh

Flawless human

[runic hinge]

what about that one time

[lethal turtle]

Whispyr ghost poops everytime

[royal lantern]

was nice knowing you

[lethal turtle]

Perfect human

[strange onyx]

I am a prophet like Zul. It's gonna take 4+ sub rogues to take me out

[royal lantern]

but zul was a fraud that made shit up for his own benefit

[balmy condor]

My toilet bowl stays empty and perfectly porcelain white because I poop in the shower and stomp it down instead

Lil cleaning hack for you

[strange onyx]

https://klipy.com/gifs/snatched-up-watch-your-mouth

[severe meadow]

@thorn thorn

[strange onyx]

https://pickerwheel.com/?id=B4SZ6

[royal lantern]

its just his german side speaking

[royal lantern]

not wasting water

[strange onyx]

Time to figure out what to spec to prepare

3 out of 3 for Assa, crazy!

[balmy condor]

-25 grad, is aber zeit zum lüften

Alles mal aufmachen

[strange onyx]

Og jeg liksom bare omg de snakker tysk i rogue discorden 🎿

[royal lantern]

no french allowed

[balmy condor]

Is Swedish just German French

[strange onyx]

Imagine if Swedish 🤮🤢🤮🤢

[royal lantern]

if i ask my dane guildmates, they will tell me hat swedish is a warcrime

[analog field]

like danish is any better

[royal lantern]

those guys up there all hate eachother and nobody can understand them

[strange onyx]

Sadly we can understand you 😔

[balmy condor]

If you give a monkey on a typewriter an infinite amount of time, it will write Shakespeare

If you give it 15 seconds, it will write danish

[rare stone]

I'm used to absolutely smashing buttons constantly as a fury warrior, is it okay to have what feels like downtime playing sin? just seem to be waiting for a bit of energy/apex to refresh me a lot

[balmy condor]

That’s the design yes

[barren yew]

blizz really screwed me over, expecting me to be able to count for my apex talent

[strange onyx]

20 + 15 + 15 + 15 + 15

You got this buddy

I believe in you

[barren yew]

that's tough. Time for envenom spam and let my energy limits tell me when to stop

[green pier]

Why tf does the cooldown manager not allow us to track it 😅

[haughty flicker]

blizzard pulled a little silly

[royal lantern]

it will probably get added

like, its near 100% that they just screwed up something there

[green pier]

Aye... seems so dumb that something so core isn't trackable

[royal lantern]

when the sub apex has a frking custom proc indicator, but the assa apex talent rn is not trackable at all, it doesnt feel intended

[west crown]

I know sin takes time to ramp and stuff. But is it just me or do we do considerably less damage than sub in dungeons

[tranquil birch]

Well you can track then energy regain buff period Just not the part you actually would care to track

[royal lantern]

assa is undertuned rn

thats all

tuning is all over the place mate

guardian druid does more dmg then half the dps specs

unholy dk is unholy dk

arcane mage and ele shaman just do 2billion boss dmg

[real pike]

How is the gameplay feeling at max level? Not the numbers but the actual gameplay

For sin

[royal lantern]

same as always

assa got no real gameplay changes

speed is the same, apply bleeds and then spam envenom is the same, use cds on cd is still the case

[tranquil birch]

Once I hit 90 and got a set of mostly 220s it actually felt quite good

it feels absolutely terrible like levels 87-90 with no gear but it improves a lot with more haste and all your talent points

[manic quartz]

i just switched to sub because doing quests as assa was so much slower and sometimes it felt i take insane dmg even while pulling just two mobs

i mean im 90 already but doign side quests and stuff

[royal lantern]

i mean

thats basically every dps spec in the game

cus lvl scaling and stuff

after 86 you get a HUGE power drop cus your old gear doesnt let you overgear everything anymore

and then its slowly going back up again

and when raid releases and people have their normal/heroic gear again, stuff falls over in 2 gcd's

[subtle tundra]

assa sucks rn

and if you think differently you will meet my wrath

[royal lantern]

varas, do you even play wow

[storm forum]

We're just back to bfa. Pooling and ignoring our spenders in mass AoE.

[unreal fern]

Is fatebound ok in m+ or deathstalker is way better?

[storm forum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[eager solstice]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle tundra]

i am chilling

u?

[iron carbon]

Read wowhead again

[gilded rune]

I leave for one season

and were playing fatebound

what the helly

[spice surge]

Well they reworked the talents that were dogshit and made them good

Whereas deathstalker they made worse

[gilded rune]

word word

[coral ibex]

no more "do less damage when more targets" bullshit

hope whoever came up with that one got fired and then rehired and then fired again

[royal lantern]

and no more "the capstone is pure rng if it even happens" bullshit

[coral ibex]

double gatherer is op in EA

im going goblin mode

already up almost 50k

[analog field]

double gathering proved to be shit this time around

because all are doing the same thing

[coral ibex]

idk seems pretty good to me

[normal mist]

Duality of men

[analog field]

I have read that in TWW it was like 100gph

and now is 10

[gilded rune]

Our class dev quit didnt he

[coral ibex]

do you mean 100k vs 10k?

[analog field]

i mean TWW ea

[normal mist]

we don't have a class dev, its a team

[coral ibex]

idk but insofar as every mat sells instantly

feels good to me

[analog field]

yes but it is 1/10th of the price it should be

[royal lantern]

well

the big thing is

they HEAVY reduced the material quality stuff

[analog field]

yea rank 3 dissapeared which fuck this

also crossrealm AH

[coral ibex]

ok so pivot to production skills and capitalize on cheap inputss

no?

[royal lantern]

r2/3 items are less needed, you get the r2 items way quicker

[coral ibex]

idk i dont engage with crafting at all

[royal lantern]

like, im sitting at 70 enchanting with only the disenchanting basic tree maxed out, and i allready get the gold rank disenchant stuff 60% of the time

with green prof gear

in tww you needed the basic disenchant tree + the specific gear tree + maxed out prof gear to regulary get max rank disenchant stuff lol

[analog field]

yeah it is really funny reading reddit, I went to try double gather and people were saying expect like 1 mil gold after 8 hours

[solar wyvern]

The crafter cartel is in shambles

[buoyant herald]

That’s funny

Literally what are you gathering that sells for that much, basic ores for 500g a piece?

Best way is warband flipping between realms or finding an efficient crafted reagent and playing on volume

[analog field]

ofc but it needs more preparation and studying

while double gathering for 2 days is w/e

[royal lantern]

number 1 rule of WoW: when reddit says something, it doesnt work like that and they talk out of their asses

[analog field]

I know ppl also that have done it

i mean now with the change to mats and ah

I understand why the prices have tanked

also many more ppl doing it now

Every 2 days there is a post in reddit by someone knew wanting to go double gather

[royal lantern]

i mean, the REAL money is always crafting itself

not gathering

but like, doing proper crafting with a plan

[analog field]

crafting solo vs all these bots etc is kinda hard though

[mint urchin]

Half of the leather working mats are set at 90k a piece lmao

[royal lantern]

thats just people trying to flip the ah tbh

[mint urchin]

I've heard the drop rates are also bugged

Making them far rarer then intended

But the plumes, canines, and rare furs are all 80-90k at least for my server

[iron carbon]

AH are region wide btw

So prolly 80k for your side of the world

[mint urchin]

Ah right, they are. Regardless,it's expensive lol

[buoyant herald]

The rare stuff? The purple ones are 40k on my realm now

And dropping fast

Even so if you’re relying on rare drops from skinning for your cool milly/8hrs then the variance seems pretty risky

Yikes plumes are 10k on frostmourne

Furs were down to 3-4k last night

[mint urchin]

For the past two days the green stuff was 90k, as Tryan said it's a combo of low availability and people trying to flip

[split veldt]

i love that daggers can be anything now

[buoyant herald]

I wonder if they’re selling though

[signal ridge]

@balmy condor just got a dagger in a dungeon over a rogue

[mint urchin]

Doolb stealing all the daggers

[gusty mirage]

banned

[signal ridge]

daggers are hunter weps now

[royal lantern]

who the fuck plays survival

[gusty mirage]

https://klipy.com/gifs/always-has-been-among-us

[fleet whale]

A decent amount of people play survival now as it’s the strongest of the three hunter specs atm

[mint urchin]

I'm here with you @signal ridge

[split grail]

Question about fate coins: They're jsut entirely passive bufffs right. No need to track?

[balmy condor]

Blocked

[balmy condor]

Yes

[keen spruce]

Is everyone having fun with their new expacky wacky

[runic hinge]

yes

[jolly stirrup]

I have yet to hit lvl 90

Resi 9 happened/is happening

[thorn thorn]

You are literally satan

[jolly stirrup]

Worse

[distant plinth]

Survivan can use 1 bomb in a 10sec fight and rogues cant even catch up😂

[royal lantern]

"survival mains" when survival is not broken because of weird early tuning anymore

https://tenor.com/view/empty-roll-tumbleweed-gif-5514767

[thorn thorn]

@severe meadow

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1159545771998331022/1182291627151200296/attachment-3.gif

[dapper halo]

so, fatebound is the way to go if you want to keep it simple

[austere moss]

are there any general feedback I can have? I feel like on Assassination i'm far behind everyone. I know my rotation isn't perfect but just i wanted to do the highest dps in follower dungeons.

P.s. is there a big difference between Deathstalker and Fatebound? I know Fatebound is better than Deathhstalker but is deathstalker unplayable? Also I was playing around with Demise instead of Tempered Blades, is that a huge dps loss?

[severe meadow]

[severe meadow]

Demise is kinda stank and I don’t think works properly in open world

Deathstalker and Fatebound are both viable this time around

Deathstalker is just open to bigger mistakes due to how shitty mark can be to manage

[wintry vapor]

Hey guys, quick question. Since I am old and worn-out and dead inside, always managing Implacable perfectly is a bit too hard for me. Is it a huge DPS loss to not play around it optimally?

[royal lantern]

1-2%

[buoyant herald]

If the reality is that you’re going to be ripping it at 3 or 4 stacks sometimes or not stopping and resetting at 5 then no not really.

[royal lantern]

but high chance that they add it to the CD manager, because its really fucking weird that it isnt on it in the first place

[severe meadow]

Not only is it weird it’s not on there, it’s weird it still hasn’t been added

[wintry vapor]

That's my primary issue at the moment, yeah.

Thanks for the reply!

[noble pewter]

which target count do we use FoK?

[coral ibex]

2

[noble pewter]

tyty^^

[thorn thorn]

90 yet?

[thorn thorn]

so yes

big

now the other roguese

[humble verge]

yes

time for 3 more rogues

[pliant remnant]

time for meds

[humble verge]

meds

what

are those

[fathom flax]

kings queens and others, my blind is still aoe?

whats happening here haha

[spice surge]

They removed it from the tooltip of airborne irritant

But didnt remove the effect

[fathom flax]

ask no questions hear no lies, lets not report it haha

[barren yarrow]

is sims still busted for us?

[fickle coral]

people must be on crack with these lw material prices

no way am I paying 9000g for a plume lol

[lilac needle]

supply and demand

skinners don't have the knowledge points or the tools to proc a lot of those things

[fickle coral]

nah, just greedy people. I will just wait for prices to drop or farm my own.

[lilac needle]

well one could say you are greedy for being unwilling to pay 9k

[fickle coral]

when you need like 35 of em? Fuck yeah I won't pay that lol

[haughty flicker]

The skinning stuff is not easy to get atm

[fickle coral]

I press X to doubt. I suspect some people artificially manipulating the AH

[haughty flicker]

Well both of those things are true

[fickle coral]

or blizz fucked up

[haughty flicker]

Its hard to get and people are playing the market

[lilac needle]

i can tell you as a long time goblin, not in any real meaningful way.

[fickle coral]

and made drop rates too tiny for mandatory mats to level lw and so almost no one will ever level it

[lilac needle]

regular leather mats are pretty cheap

[thick sail]

Holy shit, Crimson Tempest as a builder that costs 60 energy and requires you to put up bleeds before using it feels horrible

[fickle coral]

yes those were all fine

[thick sail]

Who designed this

[lilac needle]

i believe it's balanced for level 90 and should feel good at that point

[thick sail]

Does it get better at max level? At 82, everything is dead before I get to press the button

[lilac needle]

yes, there's a whole bunch of stuff that make it way better at max level

[thick sail]

I guess I will talent out of it currently, but currently my wife is outdamaging the shit out of me as a Ret paladin, completely effortlessly

Interesting work Blizzard

[lilac needle]

ret is intended to be totally brainless and easy

[pliant remnant]

Ret Paladin

Ret is also just omega bursty so you won't ever beat it in levelling content anyway

[lilac needle]

i feel like my damage is pretty good level assassin right now

[thick sail]

Also, Subterfuge needs a rework. The loss of Master Assassin giving a large buff during the Subterfuge window, Cheap Shot being given a 12 second coodown (meaning we can no longer Vanish -> Cheap Shot, Cheap Shot, Cheap Shot as mass CC in an emergency situation), and Improved Garrote being basically unskippable as a node all just sort of add up to a giant question mark regarding how they thought Soothing Darkness, Subterfuge, and Without a Trace were appropriate as a talent option for our class tree

[severe meadow]

Assa is a ramp class, not too much instant burst

[thick sail]

Regarding some positive thoughts about this xpac, the UI changes are incredible

Echoing Reprimand: why is this still a choice node? Absolutely nobody took this in the terrible form it's in, and I can't believe it still hasn't been changed to something useful

Secondary Poisoning: Awesome talent, but why is this a 50% chance and not 100%? It's obviously not game breaking, it only hits 1 target, it's halfway down the tree, it should be 100% chance

[feral temple]

is there anyone who thinks its good weak auras are gone?

[severe meadow]

For raid yes, for QoL I miss a few things

[spice surge]

Its just gonna be replaced with more obnoxious workarounds

[severe meadow]

Yeah

[lilac needle]

Me. The biggest issue with WA is how it made encounters an effing clownfiesta

[spice surge]

Did it though

[thick sail]

Yeah. It is great that WeakAuras are gone, because it should mean devs can design the game to be playable now without a Matrix-style UI of 1's and 0's filling up our entire screens

[lilac needle]

yes. the entire undermine raid turned into World of Weakauras. and most of the rest of the raid encounters as well

[thick sail]

^

[spice surge]

Theyre still gonna make dogshit bosses

But instead of a WA

You now have to do the dogshit stuff manually or have a stupid workaround

[thick sail]

Envenom no longer overlapping to increase its duration, and Envenom only lasting 6 seconds feels like dogshit

[spice surge]

Good bosses didnt require a WA

[lilac needle]

I 100% disagree. All the dungeon bosses so far have been pretty damn awesome with environmental cues all that is needed, no WA's

[thick sail]

Yeah, I agree with Eleem.

[spice surge]

You never needed a WA for dungeon bosses

[severe meadow]

Didn’t really need WAs for m+ lol

[thick sail]

Well designed boss fights should be intuitive via the base game providing the visual or audio or textual cues required to beat them

If the base game isn't doing that, the base game is failing

[spice surge]

Idk looking at the raid theres no evidence that theyve changed anything with their design philosophy

[severe meadow]

You do any raid testing Eleem?

[spice surge]

Fractillus wasnt an unfun bosses because of WAs, its an unfun boss because its not designed in a fun way

[spice surge]

No

[severe meadow]

Fair

Fract, Ovi and Stix were the main 3 imo

[balmy condor]

There are a couple issues getting fixed

[thick sail]

Supercharger being tied to Kingsbane, which is an optional node in the opposing tree, is terrible design. They need to stop providing talent options (especially near-capstone ones!) that are only usable if you take a specific node in the opposing tree

[lilac needle]

the one after stix was absolutley mandatory WA fight

[spice surge]

Well kingsbane is mandatory anyway

Because the apex revolves around it

[thick sail]

Yes. Case in point lol

So make it baseline then, and replace Kingsbane with something else

"Improved Kingsbane" would make logical sense

[balmy condor]

100% is far too strong, it’s already strong at 50%

[buoyant herald]

I get what you’re saying but at some point we have to stop allowing players to be unable to read

I do vaguely agree that it’s not ideal you can take nodes that have literally zero value based on unconnected other nodes

They could definitely do better

[thick sail]

Hi Whispyr! Any idea why I'm not seeing Poison Bomb in my Blizzard DPS meter?

Is it counted as Envenom damage?

[balmy condor]

Blizzard meter sucks

[thick sail]

Great lol

[spice surge]

If you want to see any relevant information youll need to log

[thick sail]

As much as I am complaining, because, based on years of playing Sin, this does absolutely feel atrocious, I'd like to say that a lot of things about this xpac are awesome. Housing, amazing. UI changes, amazing. Some of our new talent changes, awesome.

But the placement of some of these Sin talent nodes are wild. Dashing Scoundrel, an Envenom based talent, seems like it would have been the logical capstone for the middle section that deals with overlapping Envenoms. Is that a crazy thought? But they put it below Zoldyck and Blindside. Like, what

[feral temple]

Housing is just garrison 2.0

[thick sail]

Is DTB still too strong that it requires a reduction in application chance? Since we can no longer overlap envenoms, we don't have the crazy poison application buff uptime we used to have

[balmy condor]

Yes

[thick sail]

Scent of Blood is just such a boring talent. So good in Mythics, and so bad for solo and single target. Would it be nuts to have it provide some small bonus for the single target fights where you only have 1 stack of it?

[spice surge]

You do benefit when you only have 1 stack

[balmy condor]

It’s an aoe talent by design

Idk if every talent needs to be good in every situation

That kinda defeats the purpose

[thick sail]

I agree with you, but it's a 2 point talent that's 1 below a capstone

That is a huge investment for what ends up being 4% agility on a single target fight. Quick Fingers is a 1 point talent in the rogue tree that gives 3% agility with absolutely no requisite of needing Rupture up.

[balmy condor]

Idk how much of a “requisite” that is

But quick fingers is also objectively awful compared to scent of blood as a talent

[thick sail]

Not in a single target situation though?

[balmy condor]

It’s not a single target talent

Why would it be good in single target

[feral temple]

anyone else think the story is straight trash? went from fighting gods and titans to a group of animal spirits providing a blessing cause we helped fill the watering hole a few times

[balmy condor]

Like you could make the same argument about blindside

Oh man blindside is so good in single target, but when I have multiple targets, it doesn’t do anything!

Shouldn’t blizzard add something to blindside to make it good in aoe?

[haughty flicker]

blindside my beloved

[haughty flicker]

happens every expansion

[balmy condor]

I think the story in eversong was written like shit but I don’t mind the actual downgrading of the story. There’s only so many cosmically large gods to fight

[thick sail]

It is though. It does prio damage on low HP targets, so there might be situations (A prio Enemy target that's > 35% HP despite you being in an AOE situation) where you might want to use it

[haughty flicker]

we go from fighting world ending threats to dying to a couple large cats

[thick sail]

Whereas Scent of Blood is always just not good single target

Ever

[spice surge]

My main complaint about the story is that the harandar story feels like it was cut content from TWW, with all the azeroths song and all that

The shit they mention in the cinematic and then kinda never again

[haughty flicker]

yeah ive seen a lot of people say that

[balmy condor]

That’s your cope? 2% agility from scent of blood in single target is shit, but blindside in aoe is good maybe if you want to do less damage and you’re gonna press mutilate for the prio even though you have no reason to do so

[feral temple]

This Lightfrenzy Demolisher plant should have been the one to fight Sargeras, idk what we were thinking

[thick sail]

(I would also say that Blindside could proc off your Mutilate while you're trying to reapply Caustic Spatter, but they mysteriously changed that too)

[spice surge]

You dont need to mutilate to apply caustic

Envenom applies it

[thick sail]

I just said that

[balmy condor]

Why is that a mysterious change

That was literally one of the biggest complaints about caustic

[thick sail]

Was it? I liked that lol

[balmy condor]

No one else fucking did lmao

[severe meadow]

Couple large cats vs Dimmy

Who wins

[haughty flicker]

the blood knight recruiter couldve soloed dimi

dude has hands

idk why we didnt send him

[severe meadow]

[balmy condor]

But like idk, there’s no situation even with prio where it’s worth pressing mutilate, just the cp difference alone makes it a bad idea

2% agi isn’t great

But at least it’s something

And in aoe, scent is a ridiculously strong talent

[thick sail]

I think it's 4% with 2 points but yes

[balmy condor]

We don’t really take the second point atm

Like you could

[thick sail]

It is a hell of a lot of ramp in order to get Caustic Spatter up now, right? Previously it was, Ambush applied it, so you could easily weave an ambush into your initial opener (with Subterfuge) and you'd have it up. Now, you have to: Garrote, Rupture, build to 5 points, Envenom, and now you have Spatter up. That's how many seconds of ramp? How many globals? Compared to how it was

[balmy condor]

But it’s kinda questionable

[balmy condor]

??????

What the fuck are you talking about lmao

Before you had to get rupture up and mutilate

Now you don’t need rupture or mutilate

And you just envenom

In what world is that a ramp

Hell

You don’t even need to envenom

Just press kb if you’re that anxious to get your aoe out

Kb auto applies it too

[thick sail]

Oh

You don't need Rupture anymore to proc it

I see!

[feral temple]

So i hit my dalaran stone and it put me into this huge hole. wheres Dalaran?!

[thick sail]

That is an improvement, I think, probably, I'll have to try it that way

[severe spear]

Hello! Kind of a dumb question here, but any advices on how not to dry out as quick in AoE? Never had an issue before before the rework to VW, and I'm struggling a bit keeping my energy up. Not used on running out of energy in AoE. Thanks for any recommendations!

[barren yarrow]

bless up. Ty king.

[lethal arrow]

the only ramp we're goin on is the wheelchair one, rogue suck, F tier class

[haughty flicker]

what a unit

[haughty flicker]

wait i didnt know this actually

caustic op

holy

[balmy condor]

It’s okay, sims didn’t know envenom applied it

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

(It did but then some backend change to the core about how passives are handled broke it)

[agile mason]

Is there any way to track implacable stacks via the CDM or do we have to look at our buff bar to see it? so far I can only find a way of seeing the energy buff, but not the building stacks to get to 80

[spice surge]

You cannot track it via the CDM no

[coral ibex]

surely we just get a moroes command for it at this point lol

[echo heath]

I'm not online but doesn't it say right on the caustic spatter talent?

[haughty flicker]

its very possible

[spice surge]

That would require reading

[haughty flicker]

but im not playing my rogue so

hard to read the tooltip of a class im not playing

[balmy condor]

using the official Wowhead Midnight Calculator....

[haughty flicker]

#advert

[mint urchin]

How was sp leveling? Tolerable or miserable

[haughty flicker]

it was fine

for most of it you just kinda tag a bunch of stuff with pain and burst it down

was only a little rough for the last couple levels

[visual dragon]

Isnt the 2nd garrote wrong? It doesnt extend the dmg on my test. It just replaces it with the non improved

[spice surge]

It does extend the duration, and it is improved

[visual dragon]

So everytime i use it without the bleed falling off it stays improved?

[exotic hearth]

Is there a way to track what implacable is at? My cd manager just shows when it's the actual energy regen instead of the buff showing what the regen will be

[balmy condor]

"and for 6 sec after breaking stealth"

[balmy condor]

no

[visual dragon]

Oh thanks

[real solar]

does anyone know how to turn off these combo points

i have no addons on right now and it's displaying there lol

[rapid patio]

hello, could you help me decide between assa and out?

[hot oriole]

coin flip it

heads outlaw tails assa go

[rapid patio]

i know outlaw will perform better in m+'s, but do you think i could be able to do high keys with assa? i love the playstyle more

[brave comet]

is this red text means that theyre inactive?

[balmy condor]

idk if outlaw is better in m+ really

[balmy condor]

yes

[brave comet]

i'm so dumb

i am legitimately so dumb

[sand otter]

Are we back....

[oblique sorrel]

In higher keys sin will be fine right now targets die before 5 seconds of vendetta

[cunning needle]

sure why not

[lone pasture]

[lilac needle]

man the one thing i really wish we had with leveling is like a way zoomier out of combat regeneration on thistle tea

like i feel my damage is fine if i can hit buttons, but when i'm out of energy and have no tea it's so feeslbadman

[balmy condor]

leveling at least you can just kinda tap bleeds and walk away

it's worse when you're at max without gear

[lilac needle]

eeeehhhh yeah i get ya but i wasn't exactly in full mythic raid gear coming in

anything with significant health doesn't die unless i can hit some buttons

[cunning needle]

try playing sub while levelling

20 second sdance cooldown so it's up quite a lot

[visual sun]

i played whisper vids while leveling, made me drink lots of monster

[lilac needle]

whisper vids? kinda not up on the lingo around these parts mind filling me in?

[native birch]

If I'm wanting to run sudden demise for whatever reason, am I better off dropping points from the center or left side capstones?

Both seem to have pros and cons during play (losing left is heavy energy starvation, dropping center loses the envenom 1cp back and big envenom dam/amp poison)

[balmy condor]

you'd drop the middle

[native birch]

Just the bottom 2 points and keep the 30% envenom node?
Or is it worth shuffling those around too?

[native birch]

Ooh, blindside. I like it

Will give it a spin, much appreciated

[balmy condor]

it's the only way for the build to do more than healer dps in ST tbh

[native birch]

Totally makes sense. Dropping the middle seems like it'll lose an enormous amount of ST for sure

I'm very much playing for vibes personally, and blindside just feels nice to play so I'll take it haha

[balmy condor]

there's been quite a few sim fixes lately

it's surprisingly only like 1.5% behind the regular m+ build

in ST

but idk if I believe that yet

[native birch]

Oh, that's not bad if true

Is raidbots updated for public sims on assa?

[balmy condor]

yes

just make sure you sim on latest

if you sim nightly right now all sorts of things are giga fucked

I'll probably put a video out about it tomorrow morning

[native birch]

I'll keep an eye out for it

[balmy condor]

if you take improved ambush it's like

basically within 1%

and I just

it makes very little sense to me

[native birch]

Agreed

Especially with the bottom right points basically contributing nothing outside of 4% agi and 10% bleed

In st

The math ain't mathing, at least up front

[balmy condor]

DTB allowing amp poison alone is like 7% while sudden demise giving 10% bleed is like 2 - 2.5%

like I know blindside is really strong in ST

but good lord

it can't be that good

[native birch]

Not to mention more dashing procs, faster kingsbane stacks

Unless the energy saved is that valuable from blindside or something? I have no clue

I can certainly see it smoothing things out from a feels perspective

[balmy condor]

the cp you get from poisoner's is basically the same you get from blindside

like they're roughly comparable in that regard

[native birch]

Ahh

[balmy condor]

blindside with improved ambush is a bit more, but yeh

it's a strange one

[native birch]

Speaking of this build, is SD still bugged at 90 in open world/delves?
It seemed to work during leveling, but I'm curious if level scaling just breaks it again. Just dinged 90 before bed so I never checked

[balmy condor]

it's been working so far for me

which is a bit weird cause as far as I'm aware, there was nothing changed that would've made it work

I don't use it all that much anymore and just kinda run around with the m+ build

[lilac needle]

I think the thing is i really like assassin. it's got a unique flavor that agrees with my sensibilities. i can sorta kinda deal with outlaw, but sub i just can't get with.

like a 500% ooc regen on thistle tea would make it feel a lot better

outside of instances at least

[cunning needle]

yeah i get that, but consider the following.

this levelling time is the only time where what you play and how you play doesn't matter. this brief period is the best time to try out a new spec

[shadow agate]

I almost think the opposite. Now is the one time I can play the spec I enjoy most, even if it means it's not the "best" cause I just get to enjoy the story. Favorite spec and class flavor for story time is always the best IMO (personally).

[lilac needle]

i main mage. look at my name... i play fire almost exclusively. For a very long time, earlier in wow's life, the meta was to level as frost and then switch to fire or arcane at max level. I stopped doing that in 2009.

i've sampled almost every spec in the game, and occasionally i find one spec i hated has changed to be a lot more fun (holy priest is a good example)

but usually i just like what i like. like if arms was the 50% better way to level versus fury, igaf, i'm not playing arms

[jovial idol]

In theory you can always play the spec you like the most unless you are focused on going for rank title keys.

[lilac needle]

it's really hard to do this early in an expansion's life cycle. like really really hard.

if you are doing anything above like normal raid, this is nearly impossible for most poeple

[shadow agate]

Very true. I think most specs are more than viable outside the 1% sweaty content. Problem is, the community focuses on meta so much if you pug at all, it's a real hope and a prayer kind of experience lol.

[lilac needle]

unless you are the rare person with actual friends and a steady team you play with that doesn't mind you playing dumpster specs

[jovial idol]

Not really. I've often played off meta specs and performed better than "Meta" ones just because people don't even play those meta ones to their strengths like they do in top pro play

[lilac needle]

again this works if you have friends/guild/team you play with regularly. otherwise it's nearly impossible

[jovial idol]

So it doesn't make sense many times for people at lower levels of play to follow those meta trends if they don't even understand how to extract value

[lilac needle]

actually not only do i disagree, it's actually worse at lower skill levels

[jovial idol]

I think it's the opposite as you said, people at lower levels of play won't see the same results on meta specs since they often require to be played in specific ways

Like playing around specific pulls, CDs, etc

[lilac needle]

the problem at lower levels is more a function of being able to complete basic content.

[jovial idol]

Which never really happens with pugs or people not really pushing that high.

[lilac needle]

spoken like someone who has never been in ELO hell lol

[jovial idol]

I've seen many people trying to follow the meta and then they perform poorly because of exactly those things I mentioned above

So there's a lot more to class viability than what tier lists show you on YouTube

Or what Simms show

[lilac needle]

i understand that. like a tank allowing .5 seconds for a rogue to re-stealth for trash is a small nuance that a higher tier tank will understand versus a lower quality one.

[jovial idol]

Yeah or playing around breath of sindragosa for frost DK in the past

[balmy condor]

a higher tier tank will not the rogue re-stealth

kind of a bad example

but ya

[shadow agate]

I think spec/class comfort go further than most want to admit. I know people who have played sub tier specs or classes in top end content, but because they have always played just those specs they absolutely blast.

[jovial idol]

Everyone rerolled frost in S1 TWW and all pugs sucked becaUse they could never get the tank to play around breath of sindragosa properly

[haughty flicker]

the secret is to suck equally at everything so you can play anything

[lilac needle]

i'm just talking from the perspective of a guy who has no real team, is kinda average to above average at the game, and has absolutely wiped/abandoned m6's and m7's first season early on because a 10% difference in dps effectiveness of a player playing one spec over another has been the difference between timing a key or not, and not just that, but there's a snowball effect

if stuff just dies faster, it's not just that you time the key, it's that you take less damage from trash dying faster

bosses dying faster. etc

[cunning needle]

but you're attributing people playing the "wrong" spec to just people being bad

its not like X spec has an automatic 10% damage amp

[lilac needle]

Not at all. What I'm say is if people are bad/below average, but their spec and class is performing well, the tuning of their spec makes up a certain amount of their gaming under performance, allowing for completion of the content.

[jovial idol]

Also classes perform wildly different in M6s than they do in 20s

So something that is perceived to be strong on higher levels might super underperform at that level

[lilac needle]

The only applies to specific team comps, versus classes performing on their own, so while you are right, this is part of the "elo hell" i'm referring to.

[cunning needle]

I understand your point, but I disagree with it. Maybe in raid content but honestly the biggest problem that people have in low keys for m+ is not pressing cooldowns

and that's not a spec exclusive thing

[lilac needle]

right i agree in principle, what i'm saying is that especially in the first season of an expansion, stuff tends to be more wildly unbalanced, so if you have that imbalance towards the top end, it really helps out the average player to complete bosses/m+/raids/etc.

[jovial idol]

I think elo hell as you refer to is 99% people not doing mechanics and playing correctly instead of class balance to be completely honest. I think if you attribute it to the classes then you are potentially missing the point

You should look at why people are failing instead of falling into the trap or putting on the spec they play

And that's how you will eventually push forward

[lilac needle]

i get what you're saying, but I think we agree that an m6 and an m20 are almost completely different games at that point

at a m20, trash packs are going to live for a while, and almost everything oneshots you. at an m6, playing specs that overpower mobs to just kill them faster makes up for any skill gap that would have individual players killed (like missing a key interrupt)

what i'm saying is meta specs matter at low levels, just in a different way than they do high levels.

so if we just look at this season, everyone as far as i can tell is saying BM monk and resto druid are top tier (as it stands right now). if you're playing your spec right, it shouldn't matter at lower keys. but if you kinda suck, having a BM and a rdruid could really carry a key with bad play at that m6-8 level with mid players.

[jovial idol]

Then there would need to be a different meta and spec analysis for people who play lower content and intend to stay doing that content to be able to properly evaluate what is the "meta" under those circumstances

You could be a pioneer in this topic

[cunning needle]

a bad player is going to a bad player no matter what, regardless of spec

[lilac needle]

but a bad player with a simpler/easier spec that can contribute effectively can help "carry" that bad player

that's why when ret is good the entire lower end of m+ is a lot easier for anyone slogging through the elo hell of m+ 😛

[balmy condor]

I mean how do you quantify that though

[lilac needle]

1. did you comfortably time the key. 2. damage done on details at the end of the dungeon

[balmy condor]

yeah but I mean as a meta analysis

[jovial idol]

I think we are discussing two different topics, one is specs potential and place in the meta, and the other is specs' skill floor to perform at acceptable level in low content. It's two different things

[lilac needle]

simplest way is to look at raider io rankings.

[balmy condor]

as you get higher, specs are played close to their max

the lower you go, the worse the player

regardless of the spec they're on

bm or ret may well be braindead easy two button specs

but that doesn't stop players from being really bad at bm and ret

[cunning needle]

yeah, I did a key a few weeks ago with a ret that probably has to be reminded to breathe

he was competing with the healer for damage

[lilac needle]

the real test is when you find someone like this and they still top the meters lol

[balmy condor]

they don't though

[cunning needle]

^

if theyre topping the meters in the dungeon

it just means everyone else is even worse

[balmy condor]

in zero percent of cases is a terrible player just topping meters against decent players

we're talking people that can MAYBE get to 50% of the potential of a spec

[lilac needle]

at that point theyd be better off using one button rotatoin

[balmy condor]

okay so then our meta analysis would be class performance based on the one button?

would remove humans from the equation

[jovial idol]

Class performance based on people at lower forms of content at lowest possible performance, don't cooperate and dont intend to and don't intent to climb past 7s

That could be the title

[balmy condor]

I'm often reminded of the m+ log review I did one time where they didn't hit vanish once, had 8 shiv casts and 2 kingsbanes the whole dungeon

[severe meadow]

Did they use DM?

[balmy condor]

dont remember tbh

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-cooper-andrew-dance-cooper-dance-feeling-dance-dance-gif-4719076827571292026

How they feel when they just kingsbane twice in whole dungeon

No stress, no worries, just living life to the fullest

[balmy condor]

only reason I remember it is because when they reached out they were mad coping that their tank wasn't letting them restealth and since they're a dog class it's insane for the group to assume he could do damage in weekly 12's

he was getting beat by the tank

[runic hinge]

Sometimes the tanks just blast you. Nothing you can do

[balmy condor]

it's rare you get someone that disconnected from reality

[drifting cloud]

I sent you that in private

[burnt ember]

I personally just skip everything and keep my envenom buff rolling as Blizzard intended

[thick zinc]

Guys, how can I track implacable stacks? Is there an addon for it?

[jolly stirrup]

Even Blizzard doesnt even know anymore

[thick zinc]

Obviously besides looking top right of my screen, searching through millions of icons

[balmy condor]

not gonna like the answer

[thick zinc]

Holy shit. This is so Blizzard….

[jolly stirrup]

Do we think Blizzard will make it trackable? Or do they just hate us

[balmy condor]

I mean it's just the wrong spell id

[jolly stirrup]

I believe in them

They can do it

[boreal pond]

Does assa energy gen no longer scale with the number of ruptures/garrotes, or am i missing a talent here

[balmy condor]

it does

venomous wounds is the talent you're looking for

[boreal pond]

Does crimson tempest apply poisons to aoe mobs, then, or should i be ensuring I'm fok enough then

[balmy condor]

it applies poisons at the regular rate

just like fok

[boreal pond]

ah okay, might just be used to the crazy upfront ruptures/garrotes of that tww talent that let me spread a ton for a few seconds

[balmy condor]

CT technically spreads faster

4 bleeds in a gcd

[boreal pond]

how have you felt about the rogues changes after getting to play them in live?

[balmy condor]

I love them

they didn't quite go far enough

but like, the changes they made are good

[jolly stirrup]

Whispyr indiscriminate carnage doesnt exist anymore right?

[boreal pond]

I guess another quick aoe question, does crimson copy the strength of the bleed or just a bleed of equal length? ie, should i spread my garrotes for those 6s, or crimson tempest them

[balmy condor]

I mean, it got baked into CT technicalyl

but no

[jolly stirrup]

Okay I have something ya

For ya

[balmy condor]

you would apply garrote to your main target and then spread it

it copies imp gar

but it's not a snapshot, it's just imp gar

[jolly stirrup]

In the leveling guide

[balmy condor]

interesting

[jolly stirrup]

Indeed ^^ I saw that yesterday and was like

[balmy condor]

oh

I see what happened

fixed

[boreal pond]

looking like implacable is not a buff able to be tracked .. weird

nvm

@balmy condor Do you know how the wowheads tier lists are formed? I don't put much stake in them , just wondering if theyre taken from class guide writers input?

i feel like im wreaking havoc in dungeons as assa which isnt supposed to be good aha

[balmy condor]

dratnos does the raid lists and tettles does the m+ lists

but also they're written from the perspective of like, actual keys

and not the (presumably) shit havoc player in your random heroic

[jolly stirrup]

[strange onyx]

Rude!

[balmy condor]

you were the havoc player weren't you

[strange onyx]

Include the absolute dogwater Devo DHs aswell

[balmy condor]

I mean, dogwater everyone atm

[strange onyx]

I’ll let you know Skooptwo is a respected member of the heroic dungeon pool

[balmy condor]

new expansion, whack ass gear

doing legit brainless content

it is what it is

[waxen oyster]

yep

i had 2 donkeys try to kill me while turning in a quest

and killed them both

[strange onyx]

True, I am just kind to everyone I meet in heroic pugs

Its like visiting someone else’s country. I am tourist in heroic dungeons

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

every time i pug into another rogue

the guy does zdps

idk why

[balmy condor]

matching your elo

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

[strange onyx]

«Oh wow so you guys do the first pull of Windrunner Spire in 3 different pulls. Cool, nice culture»

[boreal pond]

any know how to track the buffing stacks of implaceable with blizz CDM?

[balmy condor]

can't be done

[boreal pond]

aids

[balmy condor]

yeh

[strange onyx]

A little birdy told me after the tuning patch on the 17th you won’t need to track it 😉

[balmy condor]

[boreal pond]

I appreciate you being so welcoming to these undoubtedly repeated questions. Classic wow was most definitiely not that case (in the rogue disc)

[balmy condor]

I've been doing this far too long to care about repeated questions

but when the brainworms come out in combination of the repeated questions

then it gets a little rough

people don't like hearing some answers sometimes

it is what it is

[strange onyx]

Don’t worry I’ll be here for you Whispyr

[boreal pond]

I try to remain as competitive as possible, so honesty whether positive or critical is the best

[balmy condor]

skoop can you buff caustic

[boreal pond]

is this man a dev

[balmy condor]

no but he would be a lot cooler if he was

[strange onyx]

I haven’t leveled my Evoker yet, but soon I’ll be dev on my DH

[strange onyx]

I’ll see what I can do. We are currently trying to make Deathstalker not actually vile to play

[balmy condor]

I have a suggestion for that actually

what if the mark didn't do any damage

and singular focus didn't do any damage

and darkest night was -60% instead of +60%

[strange onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-notes-escribir-apuntes-writing-gif-18178861

Actually needs to be studied how they made it even more aids to play with mark

[balmy condor]

they heard that the stealth requirement sucked

and didn't bother listening past that

[strange onyx]

New hero talent node datamined: «Death comes for all». Using shuriken storm or Fan of knives applies a Stalker’s mark to target increasing the next instance of damage the target takes from Black Powder or Caustic Splatter

[runic hinge]

Just make the whole thing self buffs instead of single target debuff and the problem goes away

[balmy condor]

monkey paw, it increases the next instance regardless of target instead of buffing the entire cast

get ready for caustic spatter +5% on a random shitter mob and nothing else

[strange onyx]

Blessed

Still dreaming of Coinstorm for Fatebound

[strange onyx]

Booo

Coinstorm: The wheels of fate makes your head coins rotate clockwise and your tail coins rotate anti clockwise.

Head: Does X amount cosmic damage around you to all enemies and decrease the casting time of all players spellcasting by 10%

Tails: Does X amount cosmic damage to all enemies around you and increases the casting time of all hostile spellcasting by 15%.

[keen spruce]

suspiciously low volume of yapping in here for an xpac launch

[strange onyx]

We are in verified mode. You have to verify your account to type in this channel

[balmy condor]

they're probably just enjoying the game right

...right

[indigo mulch]

Are we not having fun?

[balmy condor]

you're not having fun?

[indigo mulch]

I don't know, i need someone else to tell me if i'm having fun.

I'm just a drone.

[tardy geode]

Well I came here to tell you that you are indeed having fun

https://tenor.com/view/the-burnt-peanut-mhm-mhm-mhm-gif-4266639228818891588

[indigo mulch]

Thanks! Now I know I'm having fun.

[strange onyx]

Just wait soon they will come

What do I craft

What do I gem

[tardy geode]

lol

[strange onyx]

What do I enchant

[indigo mulch]

Oh

[tardy geode]

sadly you arent wrong

[indigo mulch]

And where is sims?

[strange onyx]

Is Amani canoo paddle good for m+?

[indigo mulch]

why does x class sim dis and sin only sim dis?

[strange onyx]

Should I tell my raid lead we are good?

Can I play Fatebound?

[tardy geode]

Is rogue meta?

[indigo mulch]

Yes.

[tardy geode]

no im adding to the questions, i been around. I just purged my discords when I quit wow on and off lol

[strange onyx]

At Whispyr should I spec into my new round hero talent at the bottom of the right side tree?

[balmy condor]

no, don't listen to lazy

man, it really IS like the start of season 1

[indigo mulch]

Sims?

[balmy condor]

vague questions with no context, one word answer

then I have to step in and say the opposite

[indigo mulch]

LOL

[balmy condor]

I'm home

[indigo mulch]

Thanks dad.

[tardy geode]

LOL

[indigo mulch]

I don't play anything other than rogue so yes, rogue is meta.

for me.

:>

[tardy geode]

exactly

EXACTLY

Dunno how i feel about Sin tho, last time i played it was TWW S2. Prob take a few more reps to feel it out.

[indigo mulch]

I'm sure it will be fine.

When is the first raid releasing anyway?

24th right?

Or is it earlier?

[tardy geode]

17th

24 is mythic

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

that herbie spittin facts rn

on god

[indigo mulch]

What?

[balmy condor]

what

[indigo mulch]

I'm confused.

[balmy condor]

yeah what else is new

[indigo mulch]

Oi

[balmy condor]

[indigo mulch]

[strange onyx]

Will I be benched this tier?

[indigo mulch]

No

[strange onyx]

Neato

[waxen oyster]

you bring a raid buff

its just a really bad one

[strange onyx]

Got two rogues now

[waxen oyster]

[indigo mulch]

You're just better than the other rogue.

[waxen oyster]

Ok mog the other rogue

[balmy condor]

survival hunter doesn't count

[indigo mulch]

Omg

I want to play surv hunter 🙁

[waxen oyster]

gl

get asked why arent you bm

[balmy condor]

wait until I tell you that you can just do that

[indigo mulch]

Okay daddy.

[balmy condor]

are you waiting?

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

I hate you

[waxen oyster]

when is whispyr paying child support

[indigo mulch]

[strange onyx]

Got two hunters

[balmy condor]

survival hunter doesn't count

[indigo mulch]

Why not?

[balmy condor]

melee hunter is illegal

it's hard enough justifying 2 of any melee

but on a class with 2 ranged specs

and it's not a giga required raid buff?

doomed

[indigo mulch]

Its funny cause even when survival is great, and does top damage. They are still not brought because of the melee 😄

[balmy condor]

yeppppp

[indigo mulch]

Did you do raid testing btw?

[balmy condor]

every single one yep

[indigo mulch]

Some raids are a bit more forgiving for melee than other raids ;c i haven't seen anything about the new raids so i'm not sure :C

[balmy condor]

all 3 difficulties

idk, probably fine for melee

it feels pretty average

[indigo mulch]

At some point we had raids where you could have half ranged half melee. as of late that does not seam to be the case :C

[balmy condor]

dragon boss might be a bit cringe

cause it's spread cleave city

but

[strange onyx]

Not gonna let them play surv

[indigo mulch]

Let the bro's play surv 🙁

[strange onyx]

Nty

My melee team is already crowded

[fickle coral]

the solution is, don't do mythic raiding

then you can just be whatever you want

this is clearly blizz' design philosophy

[indigo mulch]

?

If you want to play something and your guild wont let you. You just find another guild. 😄

Simple as that.

In the end its your game-time its your way to relax. If you have a great time playing survival hunter and your guild refuses to let you play that. I'd just find a guild that lets you. 😮

[cobalt haven]

Melee raiding only

ranged banned

[strange onyx]

I see it as playing on a football team, if the coach asks you to play goalkeeper for a season instead of striker, ya do it

[warm vortex]

Haven’t played it yet
How’s Assa feeling

[fickle coral]

well, worse than my ww monk. so that makes me sad.

at identical ilevel it feels like an uphill battle to do these brawl pub fights on my rogue compared to my ww. but I got nothing else to do til Midnight unlocks later today

[warm vortex]

I moreso meant like enjoyment wise :>
or is that what u mean

[fickle coral]

Oh nah assa is fun

I just feel like a limp noodle hitting stuff. idk if apex talents fix that or not at 90

since I was moving this weekend I didnt bother buying the early access

[warm vortex]

Fair
I’ve tested out all 3 hunter specs but haven’t had time to touch my outlaw

Gonna go for all side quests today and try some outlaw id I have time

Or I could farm BoEs and sell them for stupid prices like I did last night

[glad vessel]

someone please tell im stupid or i missed smth
i went to try assa but i cant track implac buff? like how much % the buff is ast before envenom drops....did i miss smth or is the name different or can u actually not track it?

PLEASE TELL ME IM STUPID

[balmy condor]

can't be done

[glad vessel]

fuck....

SAY UR LYING MAN SAY IT

[balmy condor]

it sucks but it's not really world-ending

you'll be aight

they'll fix it eventually

[fickle coral]

can anyone confirm if damage feel better at 90 with apex talents and all?

[balmy condor]

compared to what

[glad vessel]

ye just wanted to fuck around with it in some heroics after trying sub but it'll be annoying to do

but thanks anyways <3

[balmy condor]

np

[fickle coral]

well that's the thing I guess. My WW monk feels way more impactful than my rogue rn at 80, same ilevel basically. and don't get me started on my demo lock, but from what I understand they're just kinda busted rn in general

[balmy condor]

ye

[fickle coral]

but I have no intention of maining warlock when they're meta, they'll be EVERYWHERE

[balmy condor]

that seems reasonable

WW is stronger than rogue

[warm vortex]

Also hi whispy

[astral current]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fickle coral]

Ah that makes me sad.

[warm vortex]

Meh WWs deserve some stuff

[astral current]

@balmy condor papa whispyr, do we stick to sub for a while or sin rogue is playable for m+?

[warm vortex]

M+ hasn’t even started yet

Hell it’s still early access

[astral current]

well yeah

[warm vortex]

I feel as thogh it’s far to early to tell

[real pike]

Unless you're playing at HoF+ level or have exactly 0 friends and need to rely on being accepted for pugs, play whatever the fuck you like

[astral current]

aight so how does sin feels for leveling/delves?

[fickle coral]

I'm allergic to M+ so I only care about raid and solo stuff, and my RL always says 'play whatever you want' so I only have to care about how stuff feels on solo content.

makes life easier

[warm vortex]

I played SV for a few bosses last tier on mythic and dps wise I agree with that take

Defensive wise
Uhhh
Uhh……

[real pike]

Everyone always focuses on tuning and class performance but forgets the 10% damage buff you get from playing something you vibe with

[astral current]

guys answer me :>

how does sin feels for leveling/delves?

[fickle coral]

couldnt tell you bout levelling I can't start for like 12 hours 😛

delves its great. at least on last seasons

[warm vortex]

I would if I could but I’ve not been able to touch my rogue

[real pike]

Is it 11pm correct time us regular release chads get to jump on?

[warm vortex]

Gotta say though
2/3 hunter specs feel swag

[fickle coral]

3pm pacific NA time. convert to your locale

[real pike]

Yeah 11pm real time

Cheers

[warm vortex]

Debating weather or not to stay up and do M0s w friends

As my Best friend is doing them and has an open slot

[real pike]

Are m0s out? Should I be aiming to hit max level and do a world tour before reset on Weds?

[fickle coral]

Not til EA is over

[warm vortex]

Unsure

[fickle coral]

I think?

[warm vortex]

Yeye

[astral current]

it's gonna be out at 3pm pst

[warm vortex]

So when mid comes our

[astral current]

both for US and EU

3pm pst

for both regions

today

[warm vortex]

Huh?

[foggy moat]

Anyone else having issues with stealth not being useable for like 10 seconds after exiting combat?

[astral current]

yep

[real pike]

I'll check Larias guide but assuming I should be aiming to get a world tour in before reset on Weds

[fickle coral]

know what really cheeses me off? When vanish resets Brawlpub fights YET ITS PART OF MY DPS ROTATION. gg blizz. top tier design.

[warm vortex]

Huh

[fickle coral]

What profession to take besides engineering? lw is too damn expensive

[astral current]

for fast 89-90 you should go tailoring

and you must get it at lvl 80 so you'll have cloth for crafts

since cloth drops only for tailors now

[real pike]

Wait hold up we'll be spamming m+ before raid anyway right? So no need to squeeze an extra m0 world tour in

[astral current]

m+ releases same week as heroic mode raids

16th or 17th of march

till that moment there'll be only weakened m0

and lower difficulties for raids

[real pike]

So that Weds is the classic day off work spam m+ from 7am shii

[warm vortex]

Also

Rechecked
This means the release isn’t the same everywhere

[astral current]

does worldwide tells u something mate? o:

[balmy condor]

you'll have to be patient with vendeten

playing hunter has rotted his brain

probably hasn't read english words in a year

[astral current]

hahahaha

i've leveled bm hunt on TBC so i completely understand that xd

[balmy condor]

the moss green brainworms

[strange onyx]

Need a Public Skoop Announcement about Implacable not being trackable by Cooldown Manager, that’s gonna be the number one question once the floodgates open

[astral current]

btw what addons you can suggest for QoL?

[balmy condor]

leatrix is pretty gud

I haven't set it up personally but my guild has been singing its praises

[astral current]

oh also want to warn y'all guys

dont even think once to go for random dungeon spam for leveling

it will take you around 10 hours to level character

while campaing + sidequests is around 6-7 hours without % xp buff

blizz just fucked up dungeon spam

[strange onyx]

Yeah dungeon spam is meh

Just enjoy the world

[warm vortex]

It says worldwide 3PM PST no?

Not worldwide 3PM

[balmy condor]

well yes, that is how timezones work

[warm vortex]

Yea

Or wait

[astral current]

that's going to be around midnight time EU

[warm vortex]

Is that what you were originally saying

[astral current]

00:00

[astral current]

expansion releases at 3PM PST worldwide

take 3 PM PST

[warm vortex]

Oooo
I mistook that for you saying it release worldwide at the same time

lol

[astral current]

and convert it to your timezone

[balmy condor]

it does

[warm vortex]

I’m mid lecture so I can’t focus

[astral current]

yes it releases for everyone at exactly 3pm pst

w o r l d w i d e

[balmy condor]

it releases at <t:1772492400:s>

[warm vortex]

Nono I mean I thought you said it launches at 3PM for everyone

[fickle coral]

not totally accurate, there is an EU territory in North America. So not midnight for them 😉

[runic hinge]

I’ve already released tbh

[warm vortex]

That’s what i originally thought you meant

[astral current]

xd

[warm vortex]

Which is why I was confused
Because that’s not possible

So it was mainly me misunderstanding what you said

[balmy condor]

true

[fickle coral]

Huh it's 0825h in St. Pierre and Miquelon right now. So they'd get... 2030h launch time.

[warm vortex]

I am in a lecture so my focus isn’t on the chat

Also it’s funny when mobs identify pets instead of me

[balmy condor]

huge news for the 3 people in Miquelon

[warm vortex]

Turned a threat into a cheeky little compliment

[fickle coral]

ikr?

lucky buggers, best eu launch

[warm vortex]

If you want early launch just fly to USA install it and fly home

[balmy condor]

3 billion iq

[fickle coral]

I'd suggest Canada instead, less chance of winding up in an ICE centre.

[warm vortex]

True true

[fickle coral]

or Brazil if you dislike cold

[warm vortex]

It’s like how you can plug your phone in and change the time to make it charge faster

[fickle coral]

I still gotta pick a 2nd profession. >.>

I kicked lw to the curb

blacksmithing maybe? 🤔

or JC

[hearty seal]

imagine not having all profs on seven alts

[fickle coral]

I don't level alts for months usually

[hearty seal]

(you could probably cut that down to six, IG)

[fickle coral]

I'm not a fan of alts

[hearty seal]

ngl neither am I, but I am a fan of being able to craft every-fucking-thing in the game

[fickle coral]

I don't like feeling like I "should" be grinding stuff out on multiple toons

[hearty seal]

legit spent half of TWW just getting every single profession from every single expac maxed out lmao

but I'm gonna level a mage normally (because you can't really level gathering cloth anyway, or at least it's too unfocused for me)
then level four more chars just flying around and mining/herbing

[fickle coral]

I wonder if Alchemy would be a good idea.

it'd at least save me money on potions

[bleak cargo]

Are any of the rogue specs actually good this season

[fickle coral]

No, all F tier, go play warlock /s

[bleak cargo]

Okay ty

[fickle coral]

though throughput wise I do believe all 3 are in the bottom 3rd of the curve.

[strange onyx]

Sub good, assa is fine, outlaw fun, but bad? This is my feelcraft

[fickle coral]

archon has assa as last for M+ tier. No idea if it's accurate or not, I have no idea how they get their rankings.

[strange onyx]

I know the guy who makes archon

Ama