Though I learned to level tank first and then dungeonspam
#assassination
kindred cipher
i also played enhance last season, so calm down lil rogue fellas. u dont understand buttons until you played ehance
chilly herald
i also played enhance last season, so calm down lil rogue fellas. u dont underst...
Get lost
kindred cipher
why do you think im complaining about sin having extra buttons?
blazing totem
I mean if that is your concern, isn't it just better to pay someone to power level you?
shrewd night
Once the ragebait gets boring, I have a oneway ticket to Bahamas ready, so dont let it get to that.
chilly herald
Echo and Liquid crying coz Hanasong rejected their inv btw
kindred cipher
im tired boss
blazing totem
you never gonna be efficient solo grinding anyways
kindred cipher
i just wanna chill
earnest remnant
good thing there are other classes to play then!
kindred cipher
lol i never said i was good enough for good guilds?
earnest remnant
dont gotta take away other people's fun just cuz you dont enjoy it
lethal arrow
Once the ragebait gets boring, I have a oneway ticket to Bahamas ready, so dont ...
Awful weather this time of year too
chilly herald
I mean if that is your concern, isn't it just better to pay someone to power lev...
That's no longer concern. It was a problem in DF & SL
shrewd night
<:garfpreg:1463909780392378469>
Hope you enjoy playing bear fella 
kindred cipher
dont gotta take away other people's fun just cuz you dont enjoy it
this started by me saying i liked sins bleed spreads last season more, btw
lethal arrow
Still a wild statement
kindred cipher
and then i got attacked
runic hinge
Hope you enjoy playing bear fella <:kekw:610125925413289985>
I’m gonna do my delves as bear when I get home for practice
haughty flicker
Thats certainly one way to represent what happened
Im impressed this is still going though
shrewd night
I’m gonna do my delves as bear when I get home for practice
Big copium angle is that cat gets megabuffed in heroic week and I still get to be a cutiemeow
kindred cipher
you said you hated it
thats still a personal opinion?
chilly herald
Big copium angle is that cat gets megabuffed in heroic week and I still get to b...
Yes!
My dream as well..
earnest remnant
nerf feral
shrewd night
We are already below bears what du you want orange man??
lethal arrow
Hell would probably freeze over before our raid lead swaps off feral
shrewd night
@jaunty notch Stop that
earnest remnant
We are already below bears what du you want orange man??
everybody is
jaunty notch
sorry
wooden timber
i hope ferla is the strongest
jaunty notch
kindred cipher
im just saying, i told the subs like an hour ago i hated shadow dance. no one gave a fuck. u guys got probs
runic hinge
nerf feral
lethal arrow
Say it again
jaunty notch
im just saying, i told the subs like an hour ago i hated shadow dance. no one ga...
👍
earnest remnant
im just saying, i told the subs like an hour ago i hated shadow dance. no one ga...
most of us read you typing in here fwiw
runic hinge
Big copium angle is that cat gets megabuffed in heroic week and I still get to b...
We need that
earnest remnant
and just decided to not pay you heed
lethal arrow
Cuz thats a weird ass statement too
kindred cipher
and just decided to not pay you heed
did you also read my legit criticisims?
or opinions at least
shrewd night
If they were legit, they would have engaged with you 
kindred cipher
would they. how vitriolic u guys are, i dont know
jaunty notch
lethal arrow
earnest remnant
i read it, dont agree with it in so didn't really care to engage all that much
more busy playing with pup
lethal arrow
I actually want to play sub like it is in mop
vestal wren
more busy playing with pup
we need pup pictures
kindred cipher
i read it, dont agree with it in so didn't really care to engage all that much
thats cool, aint mad that tha
vestal wren
I actually want to play sub like it is in mop
you are lucky, blizz has classic servers
wooden timber
we need pup pictures
i agree i want to see it
earnest remnant
we need pup pictures
there do be a thread for that
wooden timber
ok ill go find
lethal arrow
No way!
wooden timber
i am fluffing up my cat he is so cool
vestal wren
oh true, i forgot that the thread is not cats only
worldly sail
i am fluffing up my cat he is so cool
the fluffer 
earnest remnant
also posted her in the portal room fwiw
shrewd night
I only saw one doggo, but you said you had three, so Im getting scammed
earnest remnant
other two aint home
shrewd night
SCAMMED.
lethal arrow
Bring them home
earnest remnant
they wont be for about a month until puppy is settled in
kindred cipher
i see some other names are here tho now. is it strange for people to mention a build in your spec sub and things to get this antagonistic?
shrewd night
Define antagonistic
earnest remnant
depends on you go about it, if you show up with 0 data and its all about feels, you will be called out
cunning needle
kindred cipher
immediately rejecting that persons hypothesis
cunning needle
bro you didn't even have a hypothesis
shrewd night
Disagreeing is not antagonistic
kindred cipher
noit mine
cunning needle
you talked about some secret build on a youtube video
and didnt drop it for 25 minutes
kindred cipher
it wasnt a secret...
cunning needle
idk you dropped some random vague statement about a build
and then went "prove me wrong"
jaunty notch
@cunning needle how was food ?
cunning needle
<@166073317193678848> how was food ?
i fucked up and added too much stock
kindred cipher
yeah, and he said he didnt understand it. which is fair
shrewd night
I love it when ur soggy
cunning needle
i was trying a new method
kindred cipher
why are you guys so opposed to hearing a diff pov?
cunning needle
dont think i'll do that next time
cunning needle
why are you guys so opposed to hearing a diff pov?
we're not. You just gotta articulate your point better
kindred cipher
or even someone asking questions
jaunty notch
bc what you said was non sense + 0 evidence of what you said
cunning needle
you won't believe this, but rogue discord is acutally one of the better class discords for both research and questions answered
shrewd night
why are you guys so opposed to hearing a diff pov?
Its not about hearing different views, its about them being made with data to back them up. in fact, let me flip it right on back, why are you opposed to our pov?
cunning needle
Its not about hearing different views, its about them being made with data to ba...
because you guys are the TCers so the burden is on you to prove his statements
kindred cipher
ehhh i have response, but i wont throw someone under the bus fo rit
shrewd night
Okay, so no data, gotcha
kindred cipher
yeah, no data, but im not a dick head like u guys so...
shrewd night
I see, well, let me get this ticket for you
jaunty notch
lethal arrow
Sawgy
kindred cipher
listen, if i cared, if throw him under. and tbh idk if he would even care lol. but you have to have your own principles
not like youd understand
earnest remnant
worldly sail
he's about to ruin whispyrs career... 
civic trellis
nooooo
orchid spear
how can we fit drama between our gcds? I'm lost
jaunty notch
shrewd night
Let me know in a day if you want to continue on the path of vagueposting and just generally insulting the intelligence of the channel. 
cunning needle
booooooo
red schooner
haughty flicker
jaunty notch
rip
civic trellis
fun police
shrewd night
Funs over, this chat is now about why stealthi hasnt posted pictures of all his dogs
lethal arrow
Mods chop his balls off
cunning needle
wait stealthi has multiple?
jaunty notch
Funs over, this chat is now about why stealthi hasnt posted pictures of _all_ hi...
true
cunning needle
@earnest remnant dogs where?
red schooner
Where's the dog pictures @earnest remnant ?
earnest remnant
Funs over, this chat is now about why stealthi hasnt posted pictures of _all_ hi...
i actually have at random points
you just never paid attention
shrewd night
Its because I was too focused on paying attention to you
lethal arrow
Asking for his dogs and bros gunna post his feet in here
earnest remnant
Its because I was too focused on paying attention to you
the ger sher p at roughly 1 year
jaunty notch
shrewd night
Asking for his dogs and bros gunna post his feet in here
That was my plan, we still dont have Stealthistep in the emoji collection
earnest remnant
That was my plan, we still dont have Stealthistep in the emoji collection
5 year old shiba at the yearly bath day, she was not amused one bit
blazing totem
what guardian form is that?
earnest remnant
feral
shrewd night
farole
blazing totem
pog
jade abyss
the ger sher p at roughly 1 year
ancient pier
Whitch spec feel best for raiding from beta right now?
strange onyx
Rogue
lethal arrow
I'm gunna wager a guess and say it's not outlaw
So u can flip a coin for the other 2
sharp viper
So u can flip a coin for the other 2
flip a coin? that's fatebound 
old thistle
it might be easier to swap around sin-sub than outlaw
lean plover
5 year old shiba at the yearly bath day, she was not amused one bit
Im not excited either on my one year bath
jaunty notch
it might be easier to swap around sin-sub than outlaw
it is
lethal arrow
esp now that sub scales with haste
shrewd night
stray ivy
Sin seems like it will suck for lower keys
weary stump
Plus lower keys are fine to kinda suck at anyways as long as your spec of choice feels good in higher ones
sick edge
If you suck at lower keys it means that the overall group dmg is decent, in which case it doesn't matter if you suck. Lower keys will always favor the most bursty classes/specs.
runic hinge
<:garf:1361355789171687444>
Did boyo get a 24 hours !mr
shrewd night
Yuh, lets see what happens tomorrow
runic hinge
shrewd night
Tryan missing critical information 
rotund oak
coral ibex
https://tenor.com/view/blanket-attack-cat-biting-blanket-cat-bite-blanket-gif-12...
DISRESPECT YOUR SURROUNDINGS
spice spire
Did boyo get a 24 hours !mr
Wish that were you
rotund oak
**DISRESPECT YOUR SURROUNDINGS**
Its jsut Koffing pressing ferocious bite yo
rough rapids
tomorrow is nothing
release is the 26th at 11pm so tomorrow 😛
onyx crane
so should I reroll next xpac or can I do still do my 3k score and curve runs on rogue
lethal turtle
Just wait. Till the 24th
deep lily
ill be getting my sin to 3k but its going to be awful lol
subtle crown
Do we have any sim info available yet from beta like we have before with the patches in TWW?
deep lily
i've been running beta and consistently 30k behind other classes unless its lock or mage then the gap is like 50k
the pooling does not feel rewarding at all either
subtle crown
Ouch that hurts
deep lily
i hit 3200 before prepatch on the rogue so not the highest tier but not super scrubby either if that tells you anything
subtle crown
the pooling does not feel rewarding at all either
I was hoping the apex talents would fix some of that but I guess not
deep lily
it helps for sure but the burst just isn't there so you pool to get not a lot out of it
subtle crown
i hit 3200 before prepatch on the rogue so not the highest tier but not super sc...
I was just short of 3200 myself. Currently 50/50 between sin and sub next season
deep lily
but maybe someone else has thoughts on it or played it but its looking bad imo sub feels good but after 3 min of it im like oh hey squirrel
by feels good i mean does the most damage roguewise
subtle crown
Fair
real pike
Please be true
deep lily
i hadn't seen that yet
jaunty notch
you can do that on any spec in the game
false
it's impossible to get aotc unless you play bm
scenic jetty
release is the 26th at 11pm so tomorrow 😛
Confirmation on that time from where?
Or is that London time release?
deep lily
it releases 26th at 3PST
shy axle
if you are in europe it is 0:00 from 26th to 27th berlin time, -1 for london?
rough rapids
Confirmation on that time from where?
it is london rerlease
severe meadow
Thank god
hazy sundial
I need an addon that shows me how many targets in combat do not have bleeds up on them
Is there such an addon?
runic hinge
No I think they killed things like that
spice surge
Nope, and you cant make one
It also doesnt really matter that much
Most of the time you probably aint gonna spread bleeds to all of them anyway, since theres likely a big prio mob you care more about than some small trash mobs right next to it
stuck lodge
Oh man, the drama dude got 24'ed. What am I supposed to do until tomorrow now
runic hinge
If he actually had any log showing anything to back up his original argument maybe it wouldn’t have gone so bad for him
He just feel craft and vague posted his way to a mute
obsidian bear
How strong will sudden demise build be early on? Last time I played assa was tww s1 and sudden demise build went hard
stuck lodge
Did the guides get updated for midnight now that we aren't getting any changes? I need something to shameless copy so I can feel like I will be productive in my m0 dungeons
spice surge
Guides should be updated soon or even now, depending on which one
cold crow
12 second cd on cheapshot okay with us? really makes subterfuge way less valuable
analog field
I don't think anyone played subterfuge for cheapshot
runic hinge
12 second cd on cheapshot okay with us? really makes subterfuge way less valuabl...
They’ll know
This channel is more pve
analog field
yeah wanted to add maybe for PvP it's a thing
cold crow
They’ll know
thanks
runic hinge
Np love you
onyx crane
if assa does no exceptional dps there is no point in picking them in any comp sadly
runic hinge
That’s true of most specs. If you do good damage the utility and route will get worked out
onyx crane
but rogues have very little utility
I mean they have good CC
but even that can be compensated with other classes
runic hinge
If rogue does the most dps the comp will get worked around rogue being in it
subtle tundra
Oh man, the drama dude got 24'ed. What am I supposed to do until tomorrow now
i wish i got the mods annoyed enough to get a 24
runic hinge
Didn’t you get a 72 for something not that long ago
runic hinge
Time is weird now. That was a while ago
subtle tundra
yea my pregnancy is worrying
runic hinge
granite quarry
how does ass feel in raid for midnight?
haughty flicker
I love ass in any context
twilit python
i miss boner ass
bleak star
Where does one acquire such statue
haughty flicker
its giving you a discount
vernal hatch
2700 usd, statue looks big asf ngl
fleet whale
How many people do you think will simp for Valeera in Midnight?
hallow glade
assa bros...
spice surge
Schizoposting
vernal hatch
How many people do you think will simp for Valeera in Midnight?
don't need midnight to do so
lethal turtle
eating popcorn waiting to see how they fix this class balance
fleet whale
It’s hilarious how half baked Devourer plays atm in pre-patch and yet it crushes everyone damage wise
haughty flicker
assa bros...
its never been more over
lethal turtle
rogues in 80s. locks in the 150s. 17th bout to see some clown lvl buffs and nerfs
limber granite
assa bros...
Where did you see that?
fallow canopy
its never been more over
The voices won 
haughty flicker
lucid kite
Does assa feel like fucking shit in the prepatch due to the lack of apex talents or are the energy issues the same in midnight?
Anyone know
coral ibex
yes
spice surge
You still have a lot of empty globals
Because thats what the spec is designed around
coral ibex
assa does blow in prepatch but its still gonna be slower than tww when midnight actually drops
lucid kite
Slow is fine, but not dealing dmg or be able to keep dots up properly because u have no energy after 20 sec
Did a +14 key and on many pulls the spec just felt awful
severe meadow
Pre patch is a bit of a shit show
lucid kite
Mostly just wondering if ppl from the ptr felt like the apex talent and chaining envenoms makes the spec feel fluid
Because now it does feel like a shitshow, but does not matter if it is fixed at lvl 90
royal lantern
how can you not keep dots up lol
like, thats not "wtf energy" (which is basically the same as it was in TWW, and it will get only more during the expansion itself)
thats "what the fuck are you even doing"
coral ibex
press CT twice type beat
royal lantern
not enough energy to press garrote and rupture once every 25 seconds?
severe meadow
not enough energy to press garrote and rupture once every 25 seconds?
Envenom maxing
royal lantern
mate, if you spam envenom and dont look at dot timer to refresh them
thats you playing bad
lucid kite
What do you mean?
royal lantern
nothing else
royal lantern
frking tourists jesus christ
lucid kite
Aaahh yes, someone disagrees with you and they are tourists
stiff fern
The apex does help with energy yes
Envenom and dot uptime don't feel problematic on beta
lucid kite
Envenom and dot uptime don't feel problematic on beta
Thank you, 🙏
severe meadow
We should also have a guide up today at some point if it’s not already up
lucid kite
Been playing assa rogue since cataclysm, never felt this energy starved
Was just wondering if the spec felt like this also in midnight or just pre patch
severe meadow
We do feel pretty bad in pre patch
mint urchin
Aaahh yes, someone disagrees with you and they are tourists
While his words of choice were... loving, he's not really wrong. Even in prepatch you should be able to fully maintain dots and spread effectively. If you feel you are unable to do that you are likely using envenom too much or not tracking dot timers close enough
lucid kite
While his words of choice were... loving, he's not really wrong. Even in prepatc...
Never said he was wrong, I was mostly implying the spec feels bad to play atm, and if it was designed like this it is not good
mint urchin
If you let dots drop it hurts your energy income which exasperate the feeling of starved
severe meadow
Tldr just log off and slam early access tomorrow or when midnight goes live o7
spice surge
Apex is ~10% more energy
But also fwiw the spec is pretty much the same pace is was before
Just that you dont have infinite energy in aoe
lucid kite
And in some big pulls, keeping track of energy and dots just didnt feel to good compared to what is used to be
mint urchin
Well dot tracking you basically just track your main target now
lucid kite
And on bosses when you run out on tea, also felt really slow
mint urchin
You spread until you are content and when your main target is about to expire you start over again
lucid kite
Well dot tracking you basically just track your main target now
True in most cases yes
buoyant herald
Yeah idk I really haven’t felt much issue with energy on prepatch either, would definitely agree that it feels about the same pace as all of TWW
severe meadow
Without energy sniping some stuff feels a bit worse but yeah
buoyant herald
But seems to be very common feedback so maybe it’s just different points of view
And how acceptable slowing down is to different people
mint urchin
I think in ST it feels basically the same
You do very much feel it in AOE just because we are all used to unlimited energy
But I also think it feels smoother now that you don't have pre conditions to get Caustic up and you can start spreading immediately as opposed to waiting 5 business days for the tank to finish his pull so you can leave stealth
lucid kite
But I also think it feels smoother now that you don't have pre conditions to get...
100% agree with spatter
And the rework overall seems to be in the right direction, but something in pre patch feels abit off for me atleast
CT now a builder and spreading dots also a great change
buoyant herald
We’re one of the lowest number specs in prepatch due to (lack of) tuning for these 4 weeks
Which inherently makes anything feel bad
lucid kite
Hah yeah, tried sub and that felt bad also in a +15 key
Dmg wise atleast, devour DH was doing some insane dmg
buoyant herald
Sub should be ok, the burst is nuts and shows up pretty well in all but the highest keys
Dev is one of the more highly tuned specs right now so not surprising
Both devs actually
exotic hazel
As long as our damage is good enough through dots during pooling phases, and the burst phases are rewarding, then it'll be fine - just need to get used to the downtime
buoyant herald
I have absolutely no concerns
lucid kite
As long as our damage is good enough through dots during pooling phases, and the...
Fair
stuck lodge
Aww man, new guide says I have to learn deathstalker for M+
boo, my all passive hero talents
though it looks like its basically just tab target envenom when you have the buff
iron carbon
exotic hazel
Aww man, new guide says I have to learn deathstalker for M+
Both are viable for M+, and if you don't like/struggle to play Deathstalker then Fatebound will probably perform better for you
quaint nimbus
Honestly
I just make my DS target my focus and keybind target focus target so i can quickly turn to do whatever cc is needed to casters then swap back to what has DS on it
lucid carbon
I'm old and washed up now so the lower APM and the downtime is excellent.
exotic hazel
I'm old and washed up now so the lower APM and the downtime is excellent.
I'm just old. To say I'm washed up would be to imply I was ever better at this game - and I was not.
I raid Heroic, push 2.5-3k io, and have a great time with friends
lucid carbon
I'm just old. To say I'm washed up would be to imply I was ever better at this g...
I killed 2 boars at once in vanilla and didnt die. Been washed up since then.
exotic hazel
I killed 2 boars at once in vanilla and didnt die. Been washed up since then.
Bet neither one of the fuckers had a liver
scarlet cliff
If I wanna swap between sub and sin this expac should I just gear for sub like previously since assa was in a "all stats are good situation" during tww? or do our secondaries matter more in midnight?
Im assuming secondaries still don't have a major impact for assa
haughty flicker
its looking like sub will have stricter haste requirements
lucid carbon
I think people were suggesting haste/crit/mastery > Vers
haughty flicker
i'd gear for sub then just get some rings/neck for assa if there ends up being enough of a difference to care
scarlet cliff
cool cool ty
foggy jasper
So, the apex talents will not change the energy starvation, especially in m+ ?
exotic hazel
They will help
Will they give you as much energy as you had in TWW? No
But the gameplay has changed
tight ginkgo
i'd gear for sub then just get some rings/neck for assa if there ends up being e...
are you still a newfound priest? 
quaint nimbus
I'm old and washed up now so the lower APM and the downtime is excellent.
Mood
Ive got arthritic hands and probably some carpal tunnel issues starting up
Slow apm is good
exotic hazel
Mood
Ive got arthritic hands and probably some carpal tunnel issues starting up
...
Recovering Outlaw Rogue?
lucid kite
So, the apex talents will not change the energy starvation, especially in m+ ?
people were saying around 10% more generation overall
quaint nimbus
Recovering Outlaw Rogue?
Worse
Artist
exotic hazel
My only standing complaint is that Thistle Tea and Improved Garrote made it through the reworks
lucid kite
My only standing complaint is that Thistle Tea and Improved Garrote made it thro...
dont want improved garrote?
just more dmg frome garrote overall then or?
exotic hazel
dont want improved garrote?
They removed all stealth reliant things bar Improved Garrote and Iron Wire
Should have just removed them all imo
lucid kite
and compensate for it how?
stuck lodge
Yeah the stealth weaving stuff could be left to sub
exotic hazel
I'm not a dev, so I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of balancing and how just moving the damage baseline would affect things
But yeah, I don't like that it's the last remaining stealth requirement on a spec they specifically stated they were removing stealth reliance
runic hinge
ye im still maining priest
Healer
severe meadow
They removed all stealth reliant things bar Improved Garrote and Iron Wire
Why tea hate tho
mint urchin
But yeah, I don't like that it's the last remaining stealth requirement on a spe...
I mean they achieved it, all 3 specs still have a dps use for vanish
lucid kite
yeah I see were you are getting at, just keeping improved garrote seems abit counter intuitive
stuck lodge
Tea is a little awkward because it makes your opener and first couple rotations feel really good
and then its just gone
exotic hazel
Why tea hate tho
The amount of times I've had a tea proc when the mob dies
lucid kite
and then its just gone
thats my feeling aswell sometimes
exotic hazel
Also yeah not a fan of a charge reliance like that
mint urchin
I mean it serves its purpose, it's there helps you in opening burst in lust and with spreading dots in AOE m+
Then you are just managing energy
severe meadow
It's also just a button you don't need to look at
mint urchin
It would be worse without it imo
stuck lodge
I think in M+ you are going to get the full benefit like once, and then chain pulls means its sorta just there sometimes
exotic hazel
It would be worse without it imo
My thoughts aren't remove it and do nothing else
Obviously they'd need to compensate
mint urchin
You only need it once because then the dots are helping generate energy
exotic hazel
Just not with a 3 charge energy shot
stuck lodge
You only need it once because then the dots are helping generate energy
after the first pack, you need to reapply every time
and you wont have 3 stack tea for that
mint urchin
Obviously they'd need to compensate
They won't because it would go against their design goal to just natty increase our energy income
mint urchin
after the first pack, you need to reapply every time
If you are chain pulling the mobs still have dots generating energy, you also have travel time to regain charges. If you are not then either you aren't really chain pulling and kinda just griefing or doing small pulls which shouldn't require much effort to get dotted
exotic hazel
Unlike a lot of people I won't say "do this instead" because I'm not arrogant enough to believe I know the perfect solution
But I can safely say I'm not a fan of Thistle Tea
mint urchin
I mean it's perfectly fine to dislike it, but it's completely passive and is just free energy. It's like slice and dice
exotic hazel
Slice and Dice doesn't have a charge system or long cooldown
So not really the same
I get that it's a passive proc now, but it's the finite resource spike on a 1min CD logic I'm not a fan of
foggy jasper
On how many targets we start using FoK ?
stuck lodge
2 is what I have been told
haughty flicker
sinful verge
Why does blindside push muti up to 2 targets?
all it is is 15% increased chance for ambush proc?
exotic hazel
Assume it's because the CP generation of Ambush procs plus the damage etc works out better than FoK
stuck lodge
chance at bonus dmg so you wanna mut probs
haughty flicker
i am not a knower i am simply a parrot
but you have to ambush or mut to proc blindside
so using it at 2t for chance at the free one is apparently worth
exotic hazel
But since the current build shown for M+ doesn't have Blindside, it's 2+ targets 🙂
exotic hazel
In Raid yeah, 3+ as you'll have Blindside
lucid carbon
Unlike a lot of people I won't say "do this instead" because I'm not arrogant en...
I agree. It could be handy to use as part of a burst but I find myself hovering comfortably at around 50% energy anyway so it either doesnt proc or I'll manually use it and overcap.
Its awkward
fair blaze
exotic hazel
Or, so many bugs it bugged the bug command
lucid carbon
I feel like the biggest bug for Assassin is that Ret Paladins can see stealth for 30 seconds.
cunning needle
gusty mirage
nah its ret pallies, probably intended
the melee class that can do their rotation from like 15yds away
gusty mirage
outlaw rogues in shambles
haughty flicker
stack a couple festering strikes then leave melee for 30 seconds
proven latch
ret AND uhdk? must be a plate problem - nerf arms
gusty mirage
the appropriate response tbh
haughty flicker
real and true
exotic hazel
ret AND uhdk? must be a plate problem - nerf arms
And legs
lethal turtle
Buff sin by 15%
gusty mirage
ngl I was a ret enjoyer at the end of DF
thorn thorn
uhdk beats them at that now ngl
I love my melee class with extra range
stuck lodge
There is definitely the bug from stealth where garrote isn't giving 3 cp per use. The wowhead opener in AoE says to use garrote twice then rupture, which should put you at 6 cp, but instead you are at 4
exotic hazel
There is definitely the bug from stealth where garrote isn't giving 3 cp per use...
?
stuck lodge
opener
exotic hazel
Ohh AoE, you did - my mistake
stuck lodge
I asked whispyr about it and they said it was just a bug and use a FoK or something in between for now
because garrote, garrote only gets you 4 cp
exotic hazel
Fair enough, he knows what he's talking about
Well although tuning dates have been confirmed for 17th March
We still might see some big fixes before then
glass viper
because garrote, garrote only gets you 4 cp
I had a bug last week where Garrote from stealth was consuming combo points, not giving them. I submitted to blizz - not sure if that has anything to do with what u were saying
stuck lodge
how bizarre
glass viper
I thought I was going mad, or the ability/talents had changed without me knowing
foggy jasper
Should I pull energy for kingsbane windows ?
spice surge
Not really no
foggy jasper
I assume this will also not give a noticable gain in energy regen ?
hallow glade
would you rather have extra energy and combo points or not be able to change targets
solar wyvern
would you rather have extra energy and combo points or not be able to change tar...
Mfw the power of ds is actually in ftb and clear the witnesses
And corrupt the blood xd
stuck lodge
but ds is more dps in aoe I guess
real pike
Fatebound plays itself, and is pretty close
floral gorge
Is Whispyr aware that the consumables page in the wowhead guide isn't updated?
subtle drift
Quick question, do i need a hotkey for Thistle Tea for min max or just use it automatically?
floral gorge
auto is fine - the mastery buff is gone
severe meadow
now this is content
haughty flicker
tierlist tierlists are hype
floral gorge
are we getting a tierlist of tierlists again? 😮
balmy condor
Is Whispyr aware that the consumables page in the wowhead guide isn't updated?
bit of a bug but yes
thorn thorn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l409ADJzSS0
floral gorge
bit of a bug but yes
alright, didn't wanna bother you unnecessarily
balmy condor
no worries
the wowhead guides went up early this time around
so there's some stuff that just is lagging behind
thorn thorn
My tierlist of specs based on how likely you are to have a specific relationship with them
floral gorge
yeah, was wondering why there was no big post for the class guides
upbeat crown
Hello, hello! Has anyone gained experience through the beta that Assa feels better in Midnight than it does now in the pre-patch? I love the spec, but in the pre-patch I somehow feel the Sub more.
balmy condor
feels better how
upbeat crown
feels better how
I currently have the feeling that there is no damage, that the bleeding and toxins have no major effects, but only enven
balmy condor
damage is better in beta, yes
the damage breakdown itself is similar to beta though
so like, if you think bleeds and poisons do nothing, they will still do nothing
although bleeds are incredibly strong right now so I'm not sure what gives you that impression
upbeat crown
although bleeds are incredibly strong right now so I'm not sure what gives you t...
Yes, that's just the opinion of a noob, so I only spent a short time on Tww because I realized that the sub's secret technique is just brutal xD
upbeat crown
although bleeds are incredibly strong right now so I'm not sure what gives you t...
But it's nice to hear that my impression was/is wrong and that I can give midnight another chance.
thank u :3
balmy condor
np
graceful bane
My tierlist of specs based on how likely you are to have a specific relationship...
think WW should be bumped a little cause they def more ride a die with how many issues their spec has faced lol
graceful bane
ya know sometimes ya just have a crash out cant be stuck as a punchin bag forever
ebon tundra
ya know sometimes ya just have a crash out cant be stuck as a punchin bag foreve...
Ret pala mentality for sure 
graceful bane
lmao
thorn thorn
think WW should be bumped a little cause they def more ride a die with how many ...
They get stuck in the good coworker
The one you always like to see but wouldnt hang out with outside of work
haughty flicker
deer god
tawdry halo
haughty flicker
strange python
@balmy condor thank you sir
balmy condor
np
thorn thorn
wake me up when tierlist season is over
Gonna be sleeping a long time
severe meadow
Gonna be sleeping a long time
balmy condor
Midnight Guides
My Midnight Guides are now updated on Wowhead, and @marble hemlock has updated the icyveins guide as well if you prefer that format. For any questions regarding the spec, please check the wowhead guides below first:
Beginner
Talents
Rotation
BiS/Gear
or the Icyveins guides here:
Easy Mode
Talents
Rotation
Gear (including preseason if you're interested)
Additionally as you may have heard, I am now also the class guide manager at wowhead, and some of these pages have received a face-lift and a new template. If you have constructive feedback regarding the pages and the guide in general, please do let me know so I may better serve the community. I cannot guarantee that every class and spec has a perfect guide or that your suggestion will be put in, but I care deeply about the guides and the community. Thank you guys for your patience and support, I hope you all enjoy midnight!
P.S Sim updates and videos soon maybe (it's been busy time at wowhead as you can expect)
severe meadow
# Midnight Guides
My Midnight Guides are now updated on Wowhead, and <@210784027...
thx pookie
thorn thorn
https://klipy.com/gifs/sigma-kot
Ill kiss it dont tempt me
haughty flicker
wait
quaint nimbus
Puzzle box is bis again
haughty flicker
quaint nimbus
spice surge
https://klipy.com/gifs/frank-castle-wait
Dw its among the best for sub too
Especially for aoe
haughty flicker
solar wyvern
# Midnight Guides
My Midnight Guides are now updated on Wowhead, and <@210784027...
Since when was fatal concoction better than 2x lethal dose susge
balmy condor
Since when was fatal concoction better than 2x lethal dose susge
all of beta
haughty flicker
is this meant to still say s3
solar wyvern
Also just a lil qna but your pure ST page and normal raid page show identical talents just fyi
balmy condor
Wildin
on this breakdown, lethal dose affects 46% of your damage, 1% of which would be 0.46% dps added, poisons are doing 10% of you damage, so 20% added is 2% dps
it's like
not even remotely close
well 0.46 per stack
so still <2%
and also fatal conc right
more prio
big
well, outside of cds
balmy condor
Also just a lil qna but your pure ST page and normal raid page show identical ta...
will fix
solar wyvern
Okay so who the fuck was tellin me that fatal conc was trash man
Zzzz i was jebaited
balmy condor
in m+, especially bigger pulls, lethal is totally fine
to be clear
like if you're CT spamming giga bleed go go
then yeh
solar wyvern
I took someones word for it but i was like theres no way fatal conc is bad
solar wyvern
Ye makes sense
balmy condor
Also just a lil qna but your pure ST page and normal raid page show identical ta...
fixed 
but yah like in raid when you transition to more AoE talents for cleave fights or whatever
after doomblade, which is like, dogshit pure ST talent
the next talent to drop is lethal dose
it's one of the weaker talents unless you find yourself in big boy aoe
cunning needle
# Midnight Guides
My Midnight Guides are now updated on Wowhead, and <@210784027...
what if i dont have constructive feedback?
solar wyvern
Imagine the only buff is like 250% doomblade 
haughty flicker
thorn thorn
PUZZLE BOX PUZZLE BOX PUZZLE BOX PUZZLE BOX PUZZLE BOX PUZZLE BOX PUZZLE BOX PUZZLE BOX
Please no 
Oh well, I will simply manipulate my rng so that I never get one 
keen spruce
haughty flicker
thorn thorn
Who actually wants to use puzzle box
haughty flicker
pharaoh
balmy condor
<a:garfdance:1409972957501063259>
That guide isn’t updated yet :)
severe meadow
<@93553108243714048> Fuck you mean me
You're min/maxing buddy
CE and all orange parses
severe meadow
Rogue parsing was so pog in s3 tho
thorn thorn
not with puzzlebox in your hands
Ya with puzlebox instead of blues with a few purples ill get slightly more purples
haughty flicker
severe meadow
Ya with puzlebox instead of blues with a few purples ill get slightly more purpl...
We go plume
Fuck the box
haughty flicker
plume gaming
severe meadow
puzzle box
balmy condor
First week myth puzzle box in vault
thorn thorn
balmy condor
No other good options
haughty flicker
balmy condor
2 wrists, a cloak, 2 tier slots but it’s not tier
And the myth puzzle box
Curse of ra be on you
severe meadow
It's a 2 second cast, yeah?
thorn thorn
Ya
haughty flicker
iirc you can start the cast during a gcd
so it ends up slightly faster kinda sorta
but i wont be using it anyway
severe meadow
Priest life
haughty flicker
i havent even looked at what trinkets are being used
the op one but idk what the other is
balmy condor
i havent even looked at what trinkets are being used
Melee seems to be a lot of aln + plume
And casters are aln + that blue dragon eye thing
haughty flicker
yeah thats exactly what it ended up being
balmy condor
yeah thats exactly what it ended up being
It’s almost like I’ve been stuck reviewing and editing for like 3 days straight
spice surge
And casters are aln + that blue dragon eye thing
I dont even expect them to nerf aln much, despite it being op, becuase its probably intentionally strong so we dont skip the 1 boss raid
balmy condor
I dont even expect them to nerf aln much, despite it being op, becuase its proba...
Yeh
desert salmon
Basics section newly added? 
balmy condor
Basics section newly added? <:logs:585734084232347648>
It existed before but got a new template
fallow canopy
Why is puzzle box back
thorn thorn
fallow canopy
balmy condor
The guides in general
Gear, rotation, beginner, talents have new templates
The season guides will as well
thorn thorn
yuge
balmy condor
Slow upgrades
thorn thorn
cunning needle
i like this part of the priest guide
needs that on the boomkin guide (they said to craft an agi weapon w1 of TWW)
haughty flicker
ebon tundra
Am I correct in assuming these bullet points are prio in the order (so envenom at 5+ even if some targets dont have bleeds, then CT again after to continue spreading)? I tend to overthink things 
ebon tundra
So the order doesnt really matter
So I can just spam CT until all targets are bled even if overcapping combo points? I suppose getting the extra regen on higher target counts is more important in the long run
wild spruce
Spam CT that’s all from what I see!
severe meadow
So I can just spam CT until all targets are bled even if overcapping combo point...
Yes CT until everything has bleed
ebon tundra
Yes CT until everything has bleed
nice! ty
ebon tundra
"Until either"
just to go back to this message for a sec, I play PoE and reading is not our strong suit 
Syntax is important
stuck lodge
it seems a little crazy to me that secondary poisoning would beat out flying daggers in M+
Not saying the guide is wrong, just definitely not what I expected
and that either would be taken over flat 20% rupture bonus dmg
spice surge
just to go back to this message for a sec, I play PoE and reading is not our str...
Well the other people are not reading it either
Because it says if you hit 5 cp OR all targets have bleeds stop casting crimson tempest
ebon tundra
Because it says if you hit 5 cp OR all targets have bleeds stop casting crimson ...
Oh so, I was correct initially?
spice surge
With an asterisk right next to it that the cp thing can be ignored in high target counts
(because its probably getting nerfed to not be the case fairly soon, so its in additional notes rather than baseline)
spice surge
Oh so, I was correct initially?
Yes
balmy condor
Well that's a first <:KEKW:752385453818249286> ty ❤️
The question marks explain stuff too idk why it’s missing there
brazen pine
Guide looks good Whispyr. Grats on being guide manager!
balmy condor
Thank you
ebon tundra
The question marks explain stuff too idk why it’s missing there
Its there now! Probably a cache issue on my end 
and yeah, thank you as always for your work ❤️
also the second line changed since the last screenshot
balmy condor
Caching I assume
I haven’t been home in two hours
Couldn’t have changed it even if I wanted to
stuck lodge
Can anyone help me understand when I am supposed to be using shiv as fatebound? I see we spend a point to improve it, but its not in the rotation and I didn't even have it on my bar tbh
balmy condor
Can anyone help me understand when I am supposed to be using shiv as fatebound? ...
You don’t use it rotationally
It’s a utility key to soothe enrages
Like kidney shot
Or blind
CC type button
haughty flicker
use it for the love of the game
stuck lodge
It’s a utility key to soothe enrages
But like.. why invest a talent point into improving it then?
When that seems so niche compared to kidney or blind etc
ebon tundra
the only other options for that gate are gouge/reducedblind cd or faster in stealth right?
ebon tundra
the only other options for that gate are gouge/reducedblind cd or faster in stea...
and imp wound poison, stillshroud and unbreakable also.
stuck lodge
I should probably put it on my bar then
ebon tundra
Are there a lot of enrage mechanics?
balmy condor
the only other options for that gate are gouge/reducedblind cd or faster in stea...
Gouge is functionally worthless, reduced blind cd is already taken
haughty flicker
it doesnt look like it is
velvet ridge
we got poison tracking woooooo
ebon tundra
Gouge is functionally worthless, reduced blind cd is already taken
Yeah, was just listing that gates other options if you didnt pick toxic stiletto for fatebound, reduced blind cd isnt taken on the guide at least from what I can see but may be a cache issue my end again
stuck lodge
In terms of pure dps I can imagine reducing shivs energy cost makes sense, because it will eat less when you are forced to use it mid fight
Whereas the other options are utility
balmy condor
it doesnt look like it is
Well
Regardless
Useless utility points
What can you do
haughty flicker
until/unless they fix airborne irritant making blind aoe its probably pretty important to take still
but if we're assuming that gets fixed then yeah not really something that matters
ebon tundra
but if we're assuming that gets fixed then yeah not really something that matter...
Probably won't have the aoe part again if they wanted to move away from rotating cc/defensives on m+
haughty flicker
well
it would make rogue the only class in the game without an aoe stop
which i dont think they would intend to do
stuck lodge
Still probably worth as a hard cc in m+ on a shorter cooldown
thorn thorn
Rogue pocket sand
ebon tundra
Still probably worth as a hard cc in m+ on a shorter cooldown
dungeon dependant most likely then
stuck lodge
Maybe, more kicks more better usually
lime onyx
Hey just checking the guide. In the opener, it appears we’d overcap after implacable kingsbane with this sample opener. Idk if we have enough time to hit envenom before reapplying imp garrote. What do you think?
haughty flicker
Probably won't have the aoe part again if they wanted to move away from rotating...
its not an again thing, its still in the game
its just not in the tooltip
ebon tundra
its not an again thing, its still in the game
Oh!!! Shows how much attention I have been paying to prepatch dungeons then
thorn thorn
bel
haughty flicker
thorn thorn
When play shadow
haughty flicker
ive been playing shadow ever since prepatch
im actually working on remaking my ui with arcui instead of bcdm atm
haughty flicker
yeah
potentially healing if any of our healers gets shot or something
but shadow main
ebon tundra
Do I use my free boost to make an arms warrior in anticipation for the inevitable giga buff? 
thorn thorn
spice sentinel
is there any sort of playaround with puzzlebox to not be super toxic cancer and murder improved garrote?
guessing garrote, mute, rupture, puzzle box > garrote?
or just fuggit
balmy condor
Hey just checking the guide. In the opener, it appears we’d overcap after implac...
You do not have time and we do not play around the implacable combo points
balmy condor
or just fuggit
Death
haughty flicker
balmy condor
Would have to like gar mut rupture gar mut mut env box cds
I still need to sim cd logic with box to be fair
Like it “works” atm
But it’s not great
spice sentinel
i prob wont play it unless its just giga better
just because.. you know
but its going to be farmable early and given how sims will turn out for loot prio im mentally preparing myself
solar wyvern
Would have to like gar mut rupture gar mut mut env box cds
Could do gar mut rup mut mut gar box envenom cds
lime onyx
Would have to like gar mut rupture gar mut mut env box cds
So if I do the same opener from preseason I can potentially not waste any combo points? The only downside seems to be like 5s later on popping CDs
solar wyvern
Or is that strictly worse?
balmy condor
Could do gar mut rup mut mut gar box envenom cds
Yeah something like that idk
vocal basalt
Are we depending on Blizzard to fix shrouded for double garrote in aoe?
Or just double garrote anyways and cry internally
balmy condor
So if I do the same opener from preseason I can potentially not waste any combo ...
Idk what you mean by that, it’s the same opener
solar wyvern
Are we depending on Blizzard to fix shrouded for double garrote in aoe?
Who else do u depend on to fix it xd
balmy condor
Or just double garrote anyways and cry internally
You double garrote regardless, just need to cast a fok
lime onyx
On preseason I garrote mut rup mut garrote envenom into CDs
vocal basalt
so double garrote FOK then rupture into CDs?
solar wyvern
Ye u just wanna start mashing ct asap tbh
balmy condor
On preseason I garrote mut rup mut garrote envenom into CDs
I mean yeah if you do a wrong opener you can continue to be a wrong opener I guess
lime onyx
<a:Thinkge:857927331967926272> I mean yeah if you do a wrong opener you can cont...
I’m just confused why it’s wrongggg. Seems like optimal way to prolong improved garrote and not waste any combo points
balmy condor
You’re wasting time on imp gar
As of right now, the combo points from implacable are not worth it
You just ignore them
lime onyx
Hmm okay
balmy condor
Maybe if I fix box timing then that’ll change
But like with current info it’s just fuck the cp
solar wyvern
We talking aoe yes?
lime onyx
I was talking st
balmy condor
St
vocal basalt
I was speaking about AOE myself
lime onyx
Seems odd to me considering envenom still our best dmg but I trust the data sniffer
solar wyvern
We dont care about implacable strikes cp ? Sheeesh
balmy condor
No
solar wyvern
Oh i see what were talking about
I didnt read far enough back
I mean technically in the opener, u can land on 6 if kingsbane doesnt crit so the IG isnt wasted cp
lime onyx
Don’t you still get like 3 cp from it with the shrouded suff
lime onyx
(Assuming it’s fixed)
solar wyvern
But even then, who cares about 2 cp in our cd window
Were energy saturated
So "inefficient" globals are still good if they come with benefits other than cp
lime onyx
I feel like I’m not fully energy saturated during cd’s tho. Like it’s way more energy but not unlimited spam
Still talking ST for raid
lime onyx
Yeah list is different
balmy condor
You are physically not able to spend the energy
solar wyvern
U have to not proc blindside once i feel
And even then, without it talented on m+ beta my cd windows were unlimited
Maybe haste issue
solar wyvern
I dont even proc tea during dm
lime onyx
Yeah I’m still in a build with like barely any haste so that might be the diff
lime onyx
Ah well anyways I’m excited love how sin is feeling and hope it’s the go-to rogue spec for Raid this szn!
balmy condor
Surely blizzard doesnt leave the ST execute rogue spec at 85k
Surely blizzard doesn’t leave demo lock at 140k
Surely
velvet ridge
he manages the ppl that make the class guide
royal lantern
so he is whipping the slackers?
drifting cloud
he pings guy to update outlaw guide
royal lantern
balmy condor
what does class guide manager mean
I make the templates, do the reviews of all the specs, fix whatever issues the writers have, instructions for the patches, compensation stuff for their work, look for new writers to replace ones that have quit, mass update the navigation bars and titles, work with SEO to optimize pages, etc etc etc.
Basically everything other than filling the guides with the info for the spec
royal lantern
damm
balmy condor
I say hey, here’s new templates or here’s the updates for your guides, they’re due X day, they write the guides, send them back
And everything before points and after that point
Is me
I also am the guy who’s like hey the guides would benefit if XYZ was something we could do
And feature request from the devs and stuff
Busy busy busy
Is the tldr
spice sentinel
just put the wowhead guides in the bag little man
mint urchin
He also has to fit in lots of Maple Story between each line he put above
balmy condor
I haven’t actually played all week
royal lantern
balmy condor
My friends convinced me to do like 4 games of Aram mayhem
And erm
That’s kinda it
drifting cloud
hes now buying monsters by the case
spice sentinel
thank god you arent missing much in wow lol, this is the deadest the game has felt since ive come back
balmy condor
I didn’t show up to raid sales the last 2 weeks either
spice sentinel
def felt like i missed out playing something like fellowship or arc raiders
drifting cloud
yeah wonderful time, always people with insanely deep insight that joined the discord a month ago
and by may most of them will be unsubbed
thorn thorn
Oh no you missed one of the worst balanced prepatches in probably the games history
Anyway
mint urchin
Oh no you missed one of the worst balanced prepatches in probably the games hist...
You mean since the last prepatch?
thorn thorn
Idk I have only see DF and TWW prepatch
drifting cloud
nah this might be the worst prepatch in the games history
thorn thorn
This one is the worst and its not even close
mint urchin
TWW prepatch was also brutal with some classes just being 2x others, it just didnt also have jank scaling
drifting cloud
mythic raid nerfed to easier than week1 heroic
thorn thorn
TWW prepatch was also brutal with some classes just being 2x others, it just did...
Ya but there wasnt rogues getting 100s while doing tank dam
spice sentinel
NEVER thought id say that lol
drifting cloud
the event is killing some rares that now spawn every 5min for 90min
after 3 nerfs to the event
spice sentinel
but yeah i yearn for TSS prepatch vs thsi shit
thorn thorn
This is also the worst prepatch event I have ever seen
mint urchin
Ya but there wasnt rogues getting 100s while doing tank dam <:garf:1320173032743...
Bear is still beating rogues even in Midnight atm lmao
thorn thorn
Ya but that was for TWW prepatch you mentioned
So far midnight prepatch/beta balancing is like
Cataclysmically bad
Idk how bear was just allowed to beat most of the dps in the game
And how its this close to launch and hasnt been addressed
mint urchin
I mean I dunno, Fury War/Ret Pal and I think it was Udk? were also just miles ahead in TWW prepatch. But I will say the stat squish scaling stuff made this one worse because it killed any difficulty
thorn thorn
ya, which is still less than how fucked it was rn
severe meadow
Idk how bear was just allowed to beat most of the dps in the game
It'll be addressed when the season starts buddy
balmy condor
The tuning has always been shit during prepatch
royal lantern
Was so bad
common it wasnt sooooo bad
until i saw the guardian druid on #5 dmg done and thought "oh cool, no balance updates until 17th"
balmy condor
But this is especially shit
royal lantern
balmy condor
And the content is shit
drifting cloud
It'll be addressed when the season starts buddy
shadowlands
drifting cloud
took what, 4? months
mint urchin
I was more joking around that every one is bad not that this one is good, but yee
drifting cloud
for them to fix most of the absurd balance
frosty briar
yes
balmy condor
Is this the worst prepatch in the games history
By far
frosty briar
at least since I've played (mid-cata to current)
balmy condor
I don’t think it’s even close
thorn thorn
The TWW one was pretty bad compared to DF but this one makes it look like perfection
The event isnt even interesting to make up for the terrible balancing
royal lantern
TWW prepatch was just Lame
mint urchin
Nah the event this time was real bad
royal lantern
Midnigh prepatch is BAD
mint urchin
TWW event was okay but this one is just hard pass
thorn thorn
Instead I got to see @severe meadow parse a 100 and still do less than an ele shaman parsing a 45
Prepatch truly is a magical place
severe meadow
Instead I got to see <@93553108243714048> parse a 100 and still do less than an ...
was funny tho
was a 100 of all time
drifting cloud
on soulhunters or?
royal lantern
Instead I got to see <@93553108243714048> parse a 100 and still do less than an ...
watching guildmates leveling a DH and doing more dmg then half he raid with normal gear and 2-3 heroic items by pressing devourer a couple times
on bosses that die in 40 seconds
ebon tundra
Not just pre patch but for most of the first patch of BFA if you played Feral, you did less than hunter pet damage 🤣
royal lantern
isnt that the normal feral experience
drifting cloud
was that bfa, thought it was shadowlands aswell same time as assa
or maybe it was both times for feral ...
ebon tundra
isnt that the normal feral experience
Honestly, not too sure cause they dont seem to moan too much, where as in bfa it was ret pala levels of bitching
ebon tundra
was that bfa, thought it was shadowlands aswell same time as assa
I think it was in bfa cause they couldnt even kill quest mobs
twilit lagoon
CT spreads garrote, and the tier set says Garrote applies weapon poisons. Does the Garrote spread by CT also guarantee poison application?
mint urchin
CT already applies poison
ebon tundra
CT spreads garrote, and the tier set says Garrote applies weapon poisons. Does t...
speaking of, are we gonna get ironwire spreading or not 😭
royal lantern
twilit lagoon
CT already applies poison
I thought it was a chance rather than a guarantee
royal lantern
i mean yeha
it is
but like, its poison applications, they are up 100% of the time anyway if you do like, anything
twilit lagoon
the "garrote applies poisons" part is a giant meme
I kinda felt like it was, but I was also kinda hoping it meant something I hadn't really figured out yet.
Coping hard
royal lantern
I kinda felt like it was, but I was also kinda hoping it meant something I hadn'...
imagine if you play frost dk and the tierset would say "pressing rime applies rime"
thats kinda what that tier effect is
twilit lagoon
Well shucks
ebon tundra
if ct does spread the poison, at least it will speed up the energy return and feel smoother
balmy condor
speaking of, are we gonna get ironwire spreading or not 😭
No
royal lantern
like, you sit at a 99-100% poison uptime allready
nothing changes there really
its really just them adding text so it doesnt look like the extremely lame "% more dmg" that it is
ebon tundra
man, everything you do spreads poisons by default
yeah, i get you, I just mean if you get bad rng on ct procing the poisons early in the pull, its just a miniscule QoL feels craft sort of thing
mint urchin
You will be pressing CT enough times back to back that you will just have poison on everything
be it the second gcd or the 3rd
balmy condor
There’s a reason the default UI doesn’t track poisons on nameplate
ebon tundra
fair, just me overthinking shit more than likely Occam's Razor is lost on me haha
sacred schooner
solar wyvern
Whispyr
I think ive been sandbagging assa on beta
by not playing 2x fatal conc...
Also thoughts on dropping secondary poison for 1x lethal dose in large aoe dungeons? i cant gauge the value on secondary poison well at all.
Event ho secondary ges even better with 2x fatal conc
balmy condor
Also thoughts on dropping secondary poison for 1x lethal dose in large aoe dunge...
Probably not
Secondary is very good
It’s just very hard to see the value
But like for a rough estimate right, since you’re running dtb
solar wyvern
ik its really annoying trying to parse through my logs and evaluatuing where its coming from
balmy condor
You can check the hits from secondary
And divide by 4
So if it did whatever 2000 hits
That’s 500 deadly, 500 amp, and 1000 with crippling + atro, which we don’t give a shit about
And then you can check the average damage per hit on amp, and the average crit rate
So like 35% crit chance on amp? That’s 350 crits, 500+500, so that’s 350 energy from dashing
And then average hit of whatever 2k, on 1000 poison hits is 2mil
It’s a bit of a mess, but you can add it up like that
And then compare that way
It won’t be PERFECT
solar wyvern
oh shit i didnt even consider the extra energy
balmy condor
But it’s close
solar wyvern
yeah thats turbo actually
balmy condor
Yeh that’s the real value
Cause you’re essentially giving dashing a multiplier
Like if you imagine you had 100% crit chance, secondary basically says you get 1.5 energy from dashing instead of 1
Obviously a lot messier with variable crit and all that shit
But it’s pretty good
solar wyvern
hmm okay then good comms gonna keep that one in mind
balmy condor
Like secondary isn’t great in aoe obviously
But even just from autos
It essentially just says “your poisons have a 50% chance to trigger twice”
That’s the talent
- some extra damage
solar wyvern
yeah im kindof convinced
that assa is gonna be completely busted in key and aoe situations
in like 5 weeks
when they tune it up cause its gonna underperform in raid early
like this. this is illegal prio
balmy condor
like this. this is illegal prio
hazy helm
Feel like same story different xpac, we get hyped about assa in higher keys, tuning happens, you re roll to DK
solar wyvern
eh thats just a result of me pressing fok more due to route
but on avg the deadly dam is way up
so W
hazy helm
Well slap my ass and call me shindig I learned something today
solar wyvern
same xd
ebon tundra
Well slap my ass and call me shindig I learned something today
🫲 Hi shindig 😉
hazy helm
☺️