Imagine trying to insult someone because you feel the game you play is 'harder'
#assassination
glass viper
waxen oyster
i mean its just ironic people talk about old wow was difficult
glass viper
The same could just as easily be said aobut Wow in its state today...oh look TAB TARGET mmo ez mode
waxen oyster
when it was largely considered a casual game
glass viper
Just play what you find fun Wow..dota..fps whatver
waxen oyster
Its just something funny about classic andys
you can never replicate the no internet era
now you can wowhead 90% of the game
sacred oyster
when it was largely considered a casual game
lol yah back in my young days I was an FF11 player who tried wow but considered pre TBC more casual than FF11 then TBC was like the super casual update.
But to me it was more about the grind and time commitment when i considered something casual. WoW was def a huge time commitment to a non gamers perspective, but man did i spend some fucking time on FF11
3h world boss spawn windows that only 1 guild can claim, but then potentially spending another 1-2hrs hoping they wipe, for a chance that a rare gear may drop that only 1 person can get, so you spend 2 years waiting for your turn to get it
sacred oyster
11 was the first mmo
coral ibex
“anyone can enter a dungeon instance and spend an hour getting no loot? hah, casual garbage.”
sacred oyster
came out 1yr before wow
14 was their attempt to take on wow
11 is still being updated and actually grew in subs
waxen oyster
i mean classic lost its appeal to me when half the playerbase is about speedclearing powerleveling and gdkp
coral ibex
original wow was difficult because you didn’t know anything and your pc sucked so you were playing with high ping and low fps and zero game knowledge
waxen oyster
it doesnt have the community sense
weary stump
If I want to play classic I'll just go to a retirement home and beat old people at wii bowling
waxen oyster
original wow was difficult because you didn’t know anything and your pc sucked s...
I got lost in mulgore for 3h
this was before there was a million guides and maps
sacred oyster
coral ibex
i remember when there were no questing addons and people PAID for “optimal” quest guides
times change
now people pay for questing addons
weary stump
The best part would be that I'd lose every bowling game 
sacred oyster
theres paid quest addons? wtf lol
hazy helm
Hell naw, put those old people in the ground where they belong. Out with the old in with the new brother.
sacred oyster
bro over here advocating genocide of old people
runic hinge
i remember when there were no questing addons and people PAID for “optimal” ques...
I gave my computer virus’s trying to download one off limewire
weary stump
They out here getting strikes in bowling with Parkinson's shakes i can't compete with that skill level
coral ibex
imagine you bought (lol) restedxp tbc a few years ago
waxen oyster
why would you need to buy a new one
waxen oyster
the base game didnt change
coral ibex
because rxp is owned by greedy mfs who know classic andys will pay
hazy helm
I mean, they don’t actually have to buy xpacs, so fk it why not
I like it when they by the rxp guide then just dungeon grind
Or the guide tells them to dungeon grind lol
coral ibex
whats even funnier is you can pay more for the "streamer/creator" guide which directs you away from all the high-traffic areas the normie guide directs you to
sacred oyster
and no one else has made a basic quest helper for classic to kill the demand for the paid one?
sacred oyster
id expect someone would make a free addon out of spite lol
coral ibex
yea but the rxp addon changed in such a way that the original guide doesn't work anymore
so you can't just use the old addon or something
coral ibex
id expect someone would make a free addon out of spite lol
there are free questing guide addons, rxp is just considered the best bc its developed by actual speedrunners
hazy helm
Anyone else do the experiment in elementary where you had to write the steps down for making a pb&j and no one actually ended up getting to make one?
waxen oyster
like classic aint a private server where mob droprates or spawn times etc are adjusted
alpine lion
What are everyone's thoughts on Assassination energy regeneration going into Midnight?
hazy helm
Buff it, anything else?
waxen oyster
It feels fine
sacred oyster
in actual beta its going to be diff than what we see in prepatch due to apex talents
hazy helm
That’s rage bait right dere
weary stump
It makes me feel energetic to some extent 
waxen oyster
Not really i think assa had too much energy last season
shy axle
it is true, it is nearly the fastest assa was/is for years
and that at the start of an xpac
hazy helm
It’s fine as long as you’re going for prio > overall damage
The minute you follow CT even at 7 cp bullshit on 10 mobs that don’t matter you’re gonna feel a lil thirsty
waxen oyster
but yeah its probably jarring if you’re used to when assa is literally drowning in energy
i.e aoe assa since df s3
hazy helm
They honestly just need to swap some of the talents in the tree around, tune a lil and it will be fine. Just like outlaw would legit be fine swapping sleight of hand and deadly pursuit in the tree. Literally would fix outlaw
waxen oyster
vw gave you infinite energy the last expac
hazy helm
They weren’t bothered by that, they just shift how you got it
waxen oyster
I mean assa should play slow
hazy helm
Then tuned to make it unrealistic to be able to get it. Just counterintuitive tuning
waxen oyster
thats the spec
hazy helm
In aoe at least
waxen oyster
outlaw is the adhd fiend and sub somewhere in between
hazy helm
The spec is absolutely fine in st, as long as you play fb. DS stands for dog shit atm
hazy helm
105apm outlaw would be so over buffed simply because of the lag on beta it’s not even funny lol
hazy helm
I mean if it were tested on this beta cycle, the lag pmuch = gl playing a 105 apm spec. Would be artificially buffed because of that
False data vs true data etc
waxen oyster
maybe i got lucky with beta not lagging too bad
hazy helm
I didn’t, made things interesting. Following up a 7cp dispatch with 2 co dispatch felt good
I’m sure they’ll tweak Assa enough to be energy regen friendly in aoe without robbing from Peter to give to Paul. They’re good at balancing stuff.
Or just give venomous wounds 7 back and buff caustic to 25% and leave it tf alone. Would be cool too
runic hinge
I don’t think they want you to ignore your apex capstone in aoe so idk if they tweak the energy
halcyon flame
I mean assa should play slow
Tried to play slow, did tank damage
Also I hate how assa spread bleeds now
sacred oyster
Also I hate how assa spread bleeds now
why play the class if you hate a core identity of it
urban fern
Also I hate how assa spread bleeds now
The new CT to spread bleeds is such an awesome change. If you wanna tab target bleeds you could try Feral lol
sacred oyster
wanting to spend all your time putting both bleeds on each target 1 by 1 is masochistic lol
shy heron
cut down to... the current cost
desert crest
5 is less than current no?
balmy condor
5 is less than current no?
Not when the upgrade is 10 :)
But when the beta had no reduction, ya know
humble verge
still feels like the new upgrading system is cooked
10 20 30 40 and 50
instead of just max 90
solar wyvern
Well they wanna slow gearing and player power down ig this is a way to do it
If they remove the scaling 3% bi weekly raid buff its alright
humble verge
Well they wanna slow gearing and player power down ig this is a way to do it
but they are still continuing with turbo boost
royal lantern
still feels like the new upgrading system is cooked
the insane part for me is how there is no outrage over that yet
probs cus people dont know it yet
that will be funny in the first few weeks when people suddenly see "lmao 50 crests for a single upgrade xd"
humble verge
i alreayd know like
what im gonna do
for all my chars
im just following the google doc from Larias anyways
lethal turtle
I mean its just kinda intuitive tho to stop at 4/6
Certainly cringe change. Makes crafting omega value
thorn thorn
@severe meadow
severe meadow
You being one of them
shadow lark
Holy shit we go from 14 people to 15 people playing rogue
might be moving that number up to 16. i'm also very heavily considering rogue
severe meadow
quaint nimbus
I always play rogue no matter what so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
shadow lark
TWW was my first time playing rogue as well. I enjoyed it a lot until I had to pug keys. then i hated it completely
thorn thorn
Hyped to play rogue in middy
Gotta be mid in middy
buoyant herald
Exactly, this expansion was MADE for rogues
severe meadow
Gotta be mid in middy
Get CE in midnight
digital venture
I'd play rogue even if they were under tank DPS.
static glacier
I'd play rogue even if they were under tank DPS.
Wha do you mean even if? Have you seen Zac with his nemesis, the tank?
@midnight mist
quaint nimbus
i cant broski
Not with that attitude
thorn thorn
I blue parse heroic, CE is a very long way off
quaint nimbus
I believe in you to remove your weights and go crazy style like Rock Lee
Also ur pfp makes me smile every time I see it
Joltik is so cute
royal lantern
@humble verge aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand
they changed crest costs
damm
im a prophet, if i complain about stuff they change it
thorn thorn
Can you complain about pooling not being rewarding next 
whole snow
I think they should rework assassination rogue into ret paladin next
royal lantern
i think they should rework ret paladin into DF S3 Sub Rogue Next
thorn thorn
I think they should rework assassination rogue into ret paladin next
I think they should rework unholy into shadow priest next
thorn thorn
i think they should rework ret paladin into DF S3 Sub Rogue Next
They should rework ret so that they shut down the discord again
And we can laugh even harder
plush isle
crest change now full circle
humble verge
<@191982482642436097> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand
so they made crafted gear worse
than it was
plush isle
hope the new turbo mechanic doesn't require crests
humble verge
it will
coral ibex
spice surge
so they made crafted gear worse
Not worse than it was in midnight
Its still 4 upgrades worth of crests
humble verge
Not worse than it was in midnight
tww you mean=?
spice surge
Ye tww, mb
humble verge
runic hinge
Not worse than it was in midnight
you're in the future?
tall jay
So crests cost go up…do crest we earn go up too?
spice surge
The cap goes to 100 instead of 90
thorn thorn
In S1 rogue is meta for a month or so before it gets nerfed
Does that make me fotm if i plan on playing rogue 
halcyon flame
wanting to spend all your time putting both bleeds on each target 1 by 1 is maso...
bro I dont think u understand that its horrible to spam 1 button that uses tons of energy to put bleesds on a few targets
sacred oyster
im genuinely not sure if you are being sarcastic
sacred oyster
its all about damage to energy ratio
thorn thorn
Most other dot specs are still doing it the old fashioned way of multidotting
Shadow has shadowcrash but they currently take a talent that giga buffs swp so you have to manually multidot that too
sacred oyster
the bleeds are literally your #1 and #2 in AOE DPS lol
thorn thorn
Aff also has to multidot agony but it has "cleave"
runic hinge
bro I dont think u understand that its horrible to spam 1 button that uses tons ...
as opposed to spamming garrote and interchanging rupture?
thorn thorn
Boomie is also multidotting moonfire but it cleaves too
halcyon flame
as opposed to spamming garrote and interchanging rupture?
Yes ,I liked garrote spread more
sacred oyster
Yes ,I liked garrote spread more
then you can personally do it the manual way and keep CT off your bar 😛
halcyon flame
They removed the old design so u cant do that ofc.
halcyon flame
If it spread to 3 more targets it felt better for me
runic hinge
garrote is 45 energy and ct is 60 but also applies rupture which is 25
thorn thorn
runic hinge
like youre saving energy here
coral ibex
idk bro when i dont like how a class or spec plays i just play something else. if the ct change is this much of a boulder around your neck just reroll bro
thorn thorn
Its not just that it also generates combo points too so like
Idk
If you wanna multidot the hard way then play shadow or aff
tall jay
The cap goes to 100 instead of 90
I meant per dungeons lol it’s been a long day sorry
tall jay
Cool
halcyon flame
idk bro when i dont like how a class or spec plays i just play something else. i...
Ok ,I understand ,did u play assasination on prepatch or beta?
Beside the fact I havent seen 1 assasination rogue on prepatch or beta , must be because its so ez now spreading bleeds
coral ibex
no its because the tuning is garbage
thorn thorn
tall jay
I’m playing sin on prepatch lol
thorn thorn
If anybody falls for that bait I will personally be emailing blizzard to cancel your sub
haughty flicker
do it nerd
thorn thorn
witness me
tall jay
I can’t play anything else though lol
thorn thorn
Playing sin in prepatch when it can be beat by guardian druid is pretty based
runic hinge
sub is 2 buttons so I did that for the little prepatch i played but i think assa plays fun af now, qol is through the roof
royal lantern
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172832306793287730/1473161452805292133/i...
DK is too close
btw, its funny that they nerfed deffensives across the board
except on DK
thorn thorn
they forgot to nerf dk
spice surge
They did nerf DKs
coral ibex
dk is literally in its own separate tier
spice surge
It just matters less
spice surge
-8% stamina and they lost a 15% dr cooldown
coral ibex
thorn thorn
Lichborne is kill
thorn thorn
Nothing makes me happier than seeing mages at the bottom of the list now
coral ibex
yea
haughty flicker
they just had 300 actives
coral ibex
but their actives are now also just average
honestly i dont get why mages think they should be tanky
other than delusion
haughty flicker
idk as much as i love to meme about mages i never really had an issue with their defensives
they're strong but at least they had to actually use them
maybe mirror images was kinda too silly
as a new priest main though i will gladly accept others being dragged down to my level
tight ginkgo
thorn thorn
DK is busted
speaking of dk
coral ibex
they can be as strong as they want offensively, but the tradeoff is weak defenses
thorn thorn
quaint nimbus
I’m having a stroke trying to read that second line
haughty flicker
wdym i dont see anything wrong with it
quaint nimbus
Damn guess it’s a skill issue on my end 😔
copper hazel
blizzards new accessibility settings
plush isle
so blizzard saw mr tomatoheads video
spice surge
Disappointingly their takeaway was to buff the weaker ones instead of nerfing the stronger ones
But it is what it is
haughty flicker
Disappointingly their takeaway was to buff the weaker ones instead of nerfing th...
i dont think thats disappointing at all
and they did nerf the strongest outlier
crude helm
I think sub numbers would drop if AMS got nerfed
haughty flicker
now did they nerf it noticably? probably not, no
runic hinge
they should double the cd on divine shield
haughty flicker
but i dont think the strongest ones need to be nerfed, the weakest need to be brought up a little
spice surge
Idk i just think there should be less/weaker passive DR talents overall
crude helm
Agreed
haughty flicker
i mean i'd be fine with dk not permanently having a passive wall yeah
but outside of that i dont think passive dr is too crazy
solar wyvern
We have a passive wall that costs 20 energy allegedly
west gyro
its very passive ye
haughty flicker
passive except for it being an active
plush isle
Rogue should just have a talent like "if you don't have any group members you take -30% damage, doesn't work in pvp", so open world content and delves is a bit less of a pain in the ass
west gyro
that sounds like a way too good of an idea, so its not happening
severe meadow
DK nerfed pog
buoyant herald
that one was a no brainer
buoyant herald
still a clear winner on the tankiness front i'd guess
nimble tartan
guys do you like the new crimson tempest?
haughty flicker
afaik only unholy used the rune that got nerfed anyway
and frost was still a large bit above the next tankiest
thorn thorn
I love new CT
shy heron
guys do you like the new crimson tempest?
I've never taken it for a spin but the novelty of going from a spender to a generator seems neat
dense swan
they should combine ct with fan of knives
fleet pagoda
They kinda did 🤔 I like that they exist as two separate buttons, personally.
buoyant herald
I think it’ll work a bit better once they make the use case for each clearer
Ie not have CT and bleeds do so much damage you ignore capping cps and spam it in large aoe
severe meadow
Baking CT and FOK together would be so giga boring tho
That’s the sliver of decision making we have
Do I CT or FOK
haughty flicker
fok off
thorn thorn
Ill be a witness to the shanking
shy heron
I’ll fok you buddy
just don't fok tots is all I ask
severe meadow
just don't fok tots is all I ask
You have to pay to watch
shy heron
I'm good thanks
distant lodge
guys do you like the new crimson tempest?
I think it would feel better if it spread bleeds to three targets instead of two but I haven’t played much beta to make an informed opinion yet.
buoyant herald
I just think they need to move more damage from CT to FoK
fresh kelp
If they’re just direct implement what one random creator is posting, I’m glad it’s zorthas
Mostly good takes
balmy condor
Even if his math is kinda cooked yeh
spice surge
Even if his math is kinda cooked yeh
You are just jealous you dont contain as much vitamin K1 and vitamin C as a tomato
spice surge
L
buoyant herald
tomatoes need to be cooked tbh
buoyant herald
sauce? relish? as long as they're no longer recognisable as tomatoes they're delicious
thorn thorn
Slap that shit on pizza
buoyant herald
Slap that shit on pizza
White sauce on pizza is goated im not gonna argue that
marsh fjord
@buoyant herald go to enhancement
buoyant herald
Underappreciated imo
marsh fjord
😄
buoyant herald
No, I live in both worlds
marsh fjord
severe meadow
Slap that shit on pizza
ON GOD
wooden timber
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
are you gonna see the chiikawa movie in theaters
humble verge
are you gonna see the chiikawa movie in theaters
bro im not even close to the US or japan
earnest remnant
raider io so real for that, knows im a grinder ong
drifting cloud
fake
earnest remnant
nah realest shit
drifting cloud
you telling me you healed a key this xpac
thorn thorn
what spec
earnest remnant
resto sham
im a god at pressing healing rain and riptide
then spamming chain lightning
if you die its a you issue
thorn thorn
what did your M+ wheel look like
earnest remnant
press defensive or smth
earnest remnant
what did your M+ wheel look like
2 rogue specs, 3 dh specs and 3 shaman specs
drifting cloud
wow 0 outlaw keys? smh
drifting cloud
@ zac
earnest remnant
guess
thorn thorn
sub
earnest remnant
yep
drifting cloud
crazy guess
thorn thorn
ikr
earnest remnant
62% of all my keys
earnest remnant
wow 0 outlaw keys? smh
im actually quite proud of that
drifting cloud
I onec had outlaw talents not filled out for whole xpac
earnest remnant
and it was very much by choice after what DF did to me
earnest remnant
I onec had outlaw talents not filled out for whole xpac
thats me
drifting cloud
before they changed the system and now they reset them 5x an xpac
earnest remnant
i havent specced into it once on live
fresh kelp
🔥
earnest remnant
cuz our comp just didn't work with sub
drifting cloud
brb my pizza is burning
earnest remnant
cuz we had a ret OTP
so we had 0 prio
so lil ol me was playing outlaw for 3 weeks straight
humble verge
raider io so real for that, knows im a grinder ong
bro literally 99% of raiders has this
earnest remnant
and i never wanna see that spec again
humble verge
everyone in my guild had this shit lol
thorn thorn
I got dungeon crawling altoholic
earnest remnant
i dont even know how many max ilvl charrs i have
drifting cloud
I dont think I even did a sub key this xpac
earnest remnant
wow im a gamer
drifting cloud
Maybe in s1
earnest remnant
5 and only ever played on 3
drifting cloud
Catchup available on an 80 lol
earnest remnant
they got leveled
and left
only rogue and DH is max geared in full BiS
shammy is like HC geared cuz it was just used for splits
vague monolith
Do we fan of knives or mutilate on two targets?
balmy condor
fan
earnest remnant
im also a fan
balmy condor
aram mayhem
earnest remnant
havent had a real ZINGER game in a while
drifting cloud
We had a samira with 3 pentas on other team
But they didnt finish so we won
+17
earnest remnant
damn shit mmr
i played with some NA friends the other night
did have like a 160k dmg game
but nothing crazy really happened was just a long game
playing on NA with 140ms was an experience with the champs i got
quaint nimbus
I guess??
hazy helm
A kill with 1 person left alive and 2 battle resses used?
lethal arrow
we killed it with our holy priest riding the ball as an angel
jolly stirrup
aram mayhem
Best thing to ever happen to League
pliant remnant
spring moat
Talents! Reset in the middle of the raid
knotty kestrel
Mythic all-round Grindr
shy axle
thats nice honey
static glacier
yo I somehow did the exact same number of keys on every dk spec?
wait this is missing shaman, is my sham not linked
yeah where is paladin too?
bro this recap sucks
steel ridge
once you are retired, you can play whatever you want!
solar wyvern
static glacier
dw, I intentionally picked fire when I did more as the other specs, 4fun xd
solar wyvern
@balmy condor why is implacable strikes physical portion cleaving?
seemingly randomly as well
steel ridge
dw, I intentionally picked fire when I did more as the other specs, 4fun xd
dont think i played fire this season tho... must be from season 1 and 2 😄
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> why is implacable strikes physical portion cleaving?
great question
static glacier
just double checked s2, ye my expac recap somehow forgot about enh / ret entirely xd
solar wyvern
great question
i thought, maybe secondary poisoning but i took it off, and it still cleaves. just a bug or ?
balmy condor
yeah probably
steel ridge
just double checked s2, ye my expac recap somehow forgot about enh / ret entirel...
that new format with the video like whatsapp status kinda feel sucks
everything catering to zoomers
just give me a spreadsheet man
zoomers be like "spreadsheet? that some kind of dark magic?"
its so many numbers at once!!!!!
static glacier
that new format with the video like whatsapp status kinda feel sucks
it's objectively incorrect
like it doesn't have internal coherence with the past recaps
steel ridge
like it doesn't have internal coherence with the past recaps
ye and it kinda bugs out when you are supposed to click something
static glacier
I sent them a message and Im guessing a real human will get to it in a few hours
sinful verge
Watching petko playing assa on beta and he's just energy starved all the time - Is that how assa plays in midnight? or is he likely just playing wrong?
/ is it likely to be fixed if assa is just energy starved
static glacier
/ is it likely to be fixed if assa is just energy starved
Starvation implies that it’s below the acceptable level
Was petko’s dps starved to the same level as his energy?
sinful verge
i mean his energy is floating on the bottom end, 30-50 energy waiting for it to tick up
dps looks mid
static glacier
Let’s separate two issues that have been conflated here
sinful verge
dps value doesn't matter because it'll be tuned ]
static glacier
- With all due respect to petko he really can be clueless on some of the specs he doesn’t play while testing - solid player overall but he just doesn’t have understanding
sinful verge
what matters is how it plays
static glacier
And generally sin isn’t any more starved than it was in tww
If anything it’s less energy starved
The whole idea behind sin is decision through restraint. You CHOOSE to not press something, that in itself is a choice on this spec
Whereas on outlaw or fury ur just griefing ur dmg by not pressing stuff all the time
sinful verge
The whole idea behind sin is decision through restraint. You CHOOSE to not press...
you're referring to the apex right?
static glacier
Not just that
Before the apex ever came into the picture, what is pooling?
Like conceptually, you’re saying I have a limited amount of energy and combo points to use over a set period of time, I’m going to use them when they would deal the most damage and save / pool energy when they would do less
That’s why sin starves (even then it’s not enough to really reinforce the gameplay)
sinful verge
Okay so i guess secondary question is are there globals where it is correct to press literally zero globals?
If so assa probably isn't for me
static glacier
The moment sin is 60apm full energy 24/7 you’ve basically take away choice and turned it into an execution check (can you press this button fast enough)
static glacier
If so assa probably isn't for me
That’s fine too - also I don’t wanna over exaggerate - sin isn’t that energy starved
I predict petko misplayed tbh
sinful verge
Yeah fair enough, so referring to pooling, how do you pool correctly? do you just melee hit and afk?
static glacier
But yeah after a long chain / around a rupture refresh you will stop pressing stuff to let energy recharge and env drop for ape
Apex
static glacier
Yeah fair enough, so referring to pooling, how do you pool correctly? do you jus...
Historically it’s been you always generate combo points asap but then you wait to spend
So your globals will look like mut mut -wait- envenom when previous envenom would fall off soon or you would overcap energy
It’s a rhythm of sorts
static glacier
A lot of the time it degenerates into gcd spamming for like 20s
Then you have to wait for a bit
Since blizz have overtuned the energy, it doesn’t starve
Also don’t actually underrate the ability to have a break from gcd mashing, watch the screen - check fight timers / position / call things for your group
Though ngl with how simple they made everything idk how much of a benefit that is anymore
sinful verge
Yeah that's fair enough. I've gone from playing havoc to swapping to rogue for midnight so i'm used to spamming globals
I'll try it out at 90 and see how i get on
runic hinge
Yeah that's fair enough. I've gone from playing havoc to swapping to rogue for m...
outlaw will be more spammy
sub kinda too
solar wyvern
Yeah that's fair enough. I've gone from playing havoc to swapping to rogue for m...
On fatebound assa youre only really having empty globals so you can drop envenom st 65/80 apex stacks. DS has energy issues rn even if played well
Sub has a few empty globals leading up to shadow dance to pool energy and sht stacks.
Outlaw can occasionally have empty globals since it just expensive on energy and you can miss on opporunity procs but thats pretty uncommon
Id say sub will be quite energy saturated with enough haste
Apm is suprisingly high
static glacier
As you can see @sinful verge people back me up that the starvation scare was blown out of proportion. the design of the spec is acting like it should have large downtime to force gameplay based around the new talents, but reality is you still get to mash a lot of the time
glacial relic
fair stirrup
<:garf:1320173032743899157>
this is very relevant to my interests
lean plover
royal lantern
1
lean plover
did 1 outlaw rogue key 🙁
halcyon flame
The last time I tried outlaw I alt F4 ,Id rather play fury
royal lantern
the Season 1 Trinket farm still haunts me 
royal lantern
i hope you hit your toe
and that your car battery makes weird noises that are nothing serious but make you concerned
royal lantern
mentall illness on display
and those dk/arms runs where for loot stuff for guildmates btw
lean plover
gigachad halo
exotic hazel
Hey, is there any way to turn off coin sound?
Yeah
MuteSoundFile Addon
Find the ID's of heads and tails, mute them with the addon
weak crescent
Thank youu
I found the ids on wowhead but they are not linked to the actual sound ids
😭
magic fossil
i should start playing with my alts a little more
heavy nebula
How do people feel in general about assassination in M+ rn?
spring briar
:S
snow kindle
How do people feel in general about assassination in M+ rn?
It’s ight
shy axle
i like it, new ct bleed spread is nice
arctic token
is there any addon that can count how many targets are affeceted by Garrote like WAs used to do?
frigid pond
!bugs
spice surge
is there any addon that can count how many targets are affeceted by Garrote like...
Nop
thorn thorn
mentall illness on display
Im a fake rogue
buoyant herald
If people think you’re a fake rogue then doesn’t that mean you’re doing it right?
spice spire
Im turbo fake rogue 🥀
Banned
thorn thorn
I am a minion of @safe frigate
tall jay
I was somewhat committed to the sin
frank trench
anyone notice that when you go from fatebound to deathstalker
you have to relog
or deathstalkers mark wont trigger
safe frigate
I am a minion of <@205982851139764225>
spice surge
solar wyvern
New version of old bug dropped lockin?
haughty flicker
crude helm
frank trench
lol not sure what a good overall is right now but i made a bleed build for fun
did 45k overall
deathstalker is kinda funky in m+ for some reason combat targetting isnt working well
glass viper
Splatter RIP
frank trench
doing giga pulls in floodgate
i just kept cting
to spread
i havent done much m+ whats a good overall for a 10 right now?
i know its pre just gauging how awful this was lol
balmy condor
i havent done much m+ whats a good overall for a 10 right now?
I've seen people doing like 60
7% demise definitely helps the damage to be fair
even if it is entirely pad
thorn thorn
Look what they did to poor kingsbane 🥀
runic hinge
widh you'd pad my lips with yours
balmy condor
frank trench
Ok I figured it was def not “peak” but just having fun efing around with talents and different setups vs being a build sheep “yet” ;D
thorn thorn
widh you'd pad my lips with yours
frank trench
It’s really hard tracking death stalker with new plates 🙁
frank trench
I used to have a macro that would kick nearest casting mob with combat targetting and now it doesn’t work
Which I don’t know why that would have changed
balmy condor
yeah really a headscratcher 
winged quail
wish we could get an addon to replace the auto tricks weakaura
fallow canopy
haughty flicker
thorn thorn
<a:RenDance:1451903423275339867>
aug
haughty flicker
I was an evoker gamer in s1 before I quit after two weeks
I thought I had some mm keys from that time too but I guess not
viscid spear
<a:RenDance:1451903423275339867>
worldly sail
I used to have a macro that would kick nearest casting mob with combat targettin...
mine still works, at least did yesterday
you do need to be facing the caster
flat niche
is the assisted highlight not workging for rogues?
knotty vapor
thoughts?
knotty vapor
season 2 tww pvp
fringe spear
gg...
knotty vapor
u can still get it
in the tier versions
its easy as hell rn too since all the scaling is fucked
signal karma
at what mob count do we CT spam instead of doing envenoms
spice surge
If you have targets without bleeds up
signal karma
gotcha
rose narwhal
!bugs
Is Secondary Poisoning striking multiple additional targets at once normal behaviour? Reads like it should be only striking one additional target
nvm i think it was two seperate poisons proccing in the same moment rolling the 50%
spice surge
It doesnt strike multiple additional targets
It procs of your non-lethal poisons too
Which might not be immediately obvious
shy heron
Wheres that helmet from unironically
The model is from gallywix but it's also the rogue tier
rose narwhal
hmm I just removed all but deadly and sometimes the graphic shows on more than one extra target like this
balmy condor
hmm I just removed all but deadly and sometimes the graphic shows on more than o...
Whatcha got there bud
drifting cloud
a smoothie
rose narwhal
Just confused why the vfx wouldn't show on the back 2 if spatter was causing it
Maybe I don't understand spatter properly or something
thorn thorn
I dont think spatter has any vfx?
cyan surge
It's great that assassination isn't in fasting mode anymore.
thorn thorn
rose narwhal
But yeah you're right, it hasn't happened without spatter active. /shrug
chrome meadow
do we still double rup from stealth or we playing different
last time i played assa was i opened like gar>rup>rup>ambush/mut idk
since ct spreads bleed now
acoustic roost
hmmm dont see the link to the guides in the faq anymore. Whispyr does the wowhead guide as well for assa and it goes more in depth on the opener https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#rotations-opener
chrome meadow
ok got it
waxen oyster
<@852094292977516555>
too many matching colors
chrome meadow
so we not ct untill all targets bleed and then deathmark
nvm man i gotta learn to read
latent kernel
so we not ct untill all targets bleed and then deathmark
@balmy condor isnt this outdated though since bleeding all targets does more dmg then envenom spam?
haughty flicker
latent kernel
Won’t catch me updating a prepatch guide tho
makes sense
balmy condor
Technically you could even argue that bleeding all targets with ct is purely pad and incorrect to do anyway
So
Fucked no matter what I do
drifting cloud
ethical prio gamer whispyr
thorn thorn
Technically you could even argue that bleeding all targets with ct is purely pad...
"CT spam to bleed all targets is soy gaming while the real gamers envenom spam prio"
junior goblet
is sin worth playing in prepatch (raid and M+)? or is sub better. ive been out a couple months lol
buoyant herald
Sin down bad tuning wise for the next 5 days yes
waxen oyster
is sin worth playing in prepatch (raid and M+)? or is sub better. ive been out a...
You could have written "is prepatch worth playing"
which the answer is no unless you want a mount from the raids
stuck lodge
Hey rogues, quick question (though I think I might understand where I am confused). The icyvein guide talks about letting improved garrote run its whole course, as normal garrote will override it, but in its opener section it specifically mentions using garrote again to refresh the duration - wouldn't this override the improved version? Or is the intention that you are doing the full opener and hitting garrote again within the 6 second window from razor wire?
balmy condor
hitting garrote again within the 6 second window from razor wire?
improved garrote is the talent window, but yes
stuck lodge
That feels like a lot of button presses to hit within 6 seconds, but I will try it on some dummies
balmy condor
should fall on the last gcd
it's not too important regardless
like if you want to, you could technically just garrote -> garrote immediately from stealth and move on with your life for very minimal losses
stuck lodge
Would that just maximize the pandemic addition right away? Still trying to understand how pandemic works fully
balmy condor
yeah so the way pandemic works is it will extend your next cast by up to a maximum right
!pd
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
balmy condor
that 30% is the max
so if you double garrote back to back (in this example without razor wire cause the math is right here)
the next one is 23.4 seconds
18 from the cast, and 5.4 being the max transfer
if you had waited lets say to the end of the imp gar window
you would've had 5 seconds of garrote ticking
but it's the same math
now you're at 13 seconds from your first garrote, 5.4 is the max transfer
so your next garrote is still 23.4
by delaying the second garrote cast, you essentially just gained the extra damage from the time between the casts
which like yeah, its "free" damage
but your garrote would've been ticking regardless right? It's just empowered for those 5 seconds
so you're getting 50% more damage for 5 seconds
which is the equivalent of 2.5 seconds of regular garrote ticks
not world ending in the slightest
you lose like 2 ticks of damage
so if it's more comfy, just double garrote, easy peazy
hopefully that makes sense
stuck lodge
I'm not a math person, but I think I get the gist. Razor wire would mean more damage left off due to the longer duration right?
balmy condor
razor wire slots into this by making the base duration longer
which then inherently means you get more pandemic as well
the real power of razor wire is that you have to cast garrote less over the course of the fight
which is just more energy efficient
but it does have the side effect of making this pandemic interaction better
balmy condor
yeah in aoe when you're spreading that's another good QoL
solar wyvern
Yeah worst part of assa aoe rn is being in a pull for over a minute and your rupture is at 40 seconds and your garrotes at 24 and u have to respread cts
And then respread them again
A shame u can only ig every 2mins
stuck lodge
crimson tempest does seem a little clunky only spreading to 2 enemies
solar wyvern
Meh thats w.e, old assa spreading was 3 targets and it was way less important to get the 6th rupture out from it
stuck lodge
Do you just spam it until the pack has the bleeds after you set them up basically?
solar wyvern
Currently yes, since ct base damage is so high
But the idea is u ct to 5+ envenom
Until all bleeds are out
stuck lodge
so you basically aren't pushing mut in aoe
stuck lodge
I would have thought you still use mut because it generates more cp for envenom chaining
solar wyvern
Mut is 2-4 cp for 50 energy, fok is 1-3 for 35 energy
stuck lodge
I'll have to work on that muscle memory then, thanks!
solar wyvern
Deathstalker hero talent
stuck lodge
gotcha, I'm fatebound for simplicity
solar wyvern
Ah ye it also feels better to play fatebound lmao
stuck lodge
though it looks like even in AoE you don't take improved fok
guess the 20% isn't huge
stuck lodge
any good videos that the good people of this discord endorse for guides?
jade abyss
I miss echoing blades from bfa :D
buoyant herald
Just wait a few days until the purple man himself drops his 5 hour guide
jolly stirrup
Just wait a few days until the purple man himself drops his 5 hour guide
Cant wait honestly
stuck lodge
(who is purple man)
haughty flicker
jolly stirrup
(who is purple man)
coral ibex
sudden pawn
Guys, I need your help... I've been trying to improve my DPS for days... but I'm still having the same problem with the damage I'm doing with "Caustic Spatter"... could someone help me?
I always see that it's the greatest damage by a long shot, but I can't manage it.
balmy condor
that looks pretty normal
sudden pawn
that looks pretty normal
In most logs, I see the spatter as first in damage, almost doubling the second-best damage. 🙁
PD: that is a +16 key u.u
balmy condor
In most logs, I see the spatter as first in damage, almost doubling the second-b...
I'd hope not
what logs are you looking at
sudden pawn
that is the best +16 ara kara in warcraflogs... that and others always have caustic spatter on first dps
balmy condor
link that log
sudden pawn
😮
omg im a idiot... i see one to 18 feb
thanks @balmy condor... almost jumped out the window because I couldn't do that damage.
balmy condor
yep np
jolly stirrup
I still jump out of the window when I have the best log in my guild and get laughed at for doing no damage But then I remember its Prepatch and whatever
sudden pawn
Hahaha... even though it's the pre-patch, I'm still worried, I want to switch to rogue for this season, and don't want to get kicked from the core team for bad DPS u.u
balmy condor
if you're getting kicked for bad dps during prepatch
the "core team" is full of dumbasses
and you're better off without them
sudden pawn
jajaja, nono, these are just my own preparations
I'll probably be the only rogue, so I've almost got a guaranteed spot xD
buoyant herald
You would think that
sudden pawn
I hope so, but it's best to keep improving while we wait
solar wyvern
heavy junco
whats ur prio ?
buoyant herald
Excuse me, how have you done this with a midnight default ui tier spec?
balmy condor
I'm fuming
buoyant herald
I’m avulsing
solar wyvern
im psure its like equal to shrouded except when u get constant restealths
lethal arrow
now thats damage!
crude helm
first pull alg
solar wyvern
there are some very large pulls in pit
and that looks like pull 1-2 chain with like 18 mobs
probably ct like 2 too many times
solar wyvern
wait actually where did u find that
solar wyvern
first pull alg is 33 mobs
balmy condor
jolly stirrup
Gaming
crude helm
I kinda owned first boss ngl
solar wyvern
yeah that implacable bug is silly
crude helm
does envenom count as a "weapon poison" for 2ndry poisoning?
crude helm
One day we’ll be able to track the important portion of implacable
Wait can’t you make an addon?
It would probably be tricky with the dynamic timer of envenom
balmy condor
you can't track it with an addon either
crude helm
Can’t you read cast success?
buoyant herald
pretty sure you can, that's how harrek made the healer stuff work
sharp viper
chrome meadow
<:monkahmm:585734084571955211>
mage and devourer must have played with feet
or nah would still out dps assa
they probably played with turned off monitor
solar wyvern
mage and devourer must have played with feet
Idk mage was a bot but thats not important, assa very close to being strong is what this shows to me
Any level of ST buff and its probably a banger
buoyant herald
now add skyfury 😄
stuck thistle
True to assume assa is broken without its apex talents? Seems im starving during every encounter and kinda getting discouraged to play it in midnight.
balmy condor
the apex talent "fixes" that, but not really
downtime is the name of the game with the spec
and it always will be
the apex gives you a reason to play around that downtime and gives you energy ideally when you're starved to bump you back up
but in the greater scheme of energy, the apex is only giving you like 10% extra energy
so you will still inevitably starve
stuck thistle
Right. Ye thats what im thinking. It seems so broken now compared to before pre-patch.
Thanks for the insight.
Concerning.. 😅
buoyant herald
whats the waiting time in current sims
i swear it hasn't felt that bad to me on prepatch or beta
balmy condor
if you played it in tww season 3, midnight season 1 is similar speed
stuck thistle
I see, thanks.
lethal arrow
cant wait to have to pool energy!
wild spruce
@solar wyvern those current beta logs? looks like the extra buff for Caustic splatter and rupter worked if thats the case!
foggy moat
did i miss something? wasnt the buff 18%?
turbid harbor
Fate bound gets an extra 5%
balmy condor
<@141665120764952576> those current beta logs? looks like the extra buff for Cau...
It’s a fatebound log btw, caustic will naturally be higher on fatebound
But yes, that’s a current log
foggy moat
so, do we expect caustic to go back to 40 in heroic week? xd
sharp stump
Yo, quick question, is there anyway to get your poisons to appear on the default blizzard enemy nameplates? Had a look and can't seem to find an answer along with my own testing
balmy condor
so, do we expect caustic to go back to 40 in heroic week? xd
No
balmy condor
Yo, quick question, is there anyway to get your poisons to appear on the default...
There is not, nor is it beneficial
balmy condor
Handy for what tho
sharp stump
Well handy just in general to know what has my poisons on it and what doesn't
balmy condor
Everything has poisons on it
You’re pressing fok and ct on 2 targets
They spread bleeds, guaranteed even with thrown precision
sharp stump
Yeah, but still it's a personal preference thing
balmy condor
If you insist I guess
sharp stump
??? alright dude
Could've just said no and left it at that, not sure why you felt the need to hit me with attitude for something in my UI that might not be necessary, but is something that I'd like to have
small lagoon
Maybe he tried to make you realize that there is no actual reason to put more clutter on your ui and help you by doing so?
old thistle
Yo, quick question, is there anyway to get your poisons to appear on the default...
you can try a nameplate addon
foggy moat
it's just that it's actually just bloat, youre not going to change anything if one mob or w/e doesnt have poison, it will have it any second from base play
old thistle
but ye you dont loost much without one
sharp stump
Maybe he tried to make you realize that there is no actual reason to put more cl...
It's something that's been part of the default UI up until now, sorry for having a preference for that. Again, might not be optimal, but it's something I like to see
wild spruce
@balmy condor those logs looks pretty promising in multi targets and Councils fights. Now the problem is ST how do we pair with the other meele? and you mention Tank monk do more damage that us in ST 🙁
odd creek
Why is my class C tier? 😭
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> those logs looks pretty promising in multi targets and Cou...
The st is fine
balmy condor
Could've just said no and left it at that, not sure why you felt the need to hit...
Mb for explaining reasoning behind stuff boss, won’t happen again
balmy condor
I left the convo by saying that if you insist on your preference then that’s fine
But ya know
Fuck me for that one right
What a rude shithead I am
sharp stump
Mb for explaining reasoning behind stuff boss, won’t happen again
No worries champ, really appreciated you shoving your opinion in to a simple yes/no question, amazingly helpful
wild spruce
@balmy condor yea for sure. I wasn't sure about the current status since you mention Brew Monks did more damage or something .
balmy condor
At no point did I actually give my opinion but aight go off I guess
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> yea for sure. I wasn't sure about the current status since...
Yeah just whacky tuning
It’ll be aight
wild spruce
bet
balmy condor
For some reason they have like a billion multipliers on tiger palm
So it’s hitting like a nuke
civic trellis
hey guys, any way to show poisons on enemy plates only if i have 5 tails coins, kingsbane is on cd with exactly 17 secs left, im male tauren and i need to pee
please dont tell me if its necessary or not or i will fucking lose it
thanks
if you do anyway i will reply with 10x "buddy" as well as at least 5x "champ" so you better not test me
civic trellis
fair enough
sorry preij, after seeing this type of stuff so many times i had to once
sharp stump
hey guys, any way to show poisons on enemy plates only if i have 5 tails coins, ...
Ass rogue discord when I ask if a feature that's been part of the default UI for years is still available, even though it wastes 5 pixels of efficiency: 🤯
lethal arrow
this is why i play sub
sharp stump
If it's been asked that many times, clearly it's something that's meaningful to a few of us, regardless if it's the most optimal thing to track or not
civic trellis
its not optimal or not
it changes nothing
it feels off not having it, i agree 100%
but its wasted space, a distraction from stuff that actually matters
cunning needle
The best part about all of this is that the first part of whispyrs reply was answering the question
balmy condor
If I may be allowed to graciously to give my opinion, I actually liked tracking deadly poison
But with the changes even if there was an addon that could ignore the filtering
I just can’t get myself to justify adding it
And that’s fine
cunning needle
If I may be allowed to graciously to give my opinion, I actually liked tracking ...
I tracked it on boss frames in council fights so I'd get the energy from it
balmy condor
I play my game
balmy condor
I tracked it on boss frames in council fights so I'd get the energy from it
Yeah and like secondary poisoning makes this obsolete too
It’s just visual bloat at the end of the day cause I can’t make a decision off of it
And I’m trying to be as minimal and no-addon as possible
It is what it is
civic trellis
tracking poison application was a relic from way back when it was quite important, but it lost meaning more and more. now blizzard ripped the bandaid off.
balmy condor
Pretty much
It is very strange that half of my spec is poisons, nature damage is the majority of my damage, and yet the only gameplay involved in any of it is a single apex point
But that’s the midnight vision idk
Frankly I’m surprised envenom still has a buff at this point and they didn’t just get rid of it
lethal arrow
i liked tracking wound poison in pvp
lethal arrow
maybe, i havent done any 3s on rogue since patch
balmy condor
Rip random throw dagger from a mile away to refresh the poison
lethal arrow
very useful
balmy condor
Although I guess PvP is all focus frames and shit anyway right
What’s the meta for that
I remember people doing like 900 keybinds cause they could target like party1 and party2 or whatever
lethal arrow
i think we had
frame sort
that makes it more straightforward
but yeah target party 1/2/3 and arena 1/2/3 still mandatory
framesort was nice cuz it just had a @enemyhealer thing so ur spell always goes on the healer if u needed to
and now its gone 
balmy condor
but yeah target party 1/2/3 and arena 1/2/3 still mandatory
Never been happier to not be a pvp player
lethal arrow
its so much worse for paladin
LOL
i didnt even play rogue to glad
paladin i was out here doing
bop/sac/lay/hoj/sanc macros
cunning needle
Never been happier to not be a pvp player
To get the catalyst charge w1 you have to pvp