#assassination

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haughty flicker
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if there are enough mobs that i cant tell by looking at nameplates i just keep pressing ct

ivory elk
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alr thanks, thats what ive been using aswell, maybe they cound be a bit better designed though

sacred oyster
ivory elk
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its more for the energy tho imo

sacred oyster
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so its not end of world if you overuse CT

spice surge
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Yeah and how are you so sure it doesnt already have bleeds on all targets in that sim

sacred oyster
spice surge
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Yes

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But do you know how many targets there are

sacred oyster
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well, I sincerely hope that "BIG ADD" represents a big pack, to explain why it then spammed CT later on in the pull

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my theory is that its favoring FOK while CD buffs are up, then it goes to CT

spice surge
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It spawns a random number of enemies at random intervalls, its not using CT because theres no more targets to spread bleeds too

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Then theres more targets, so it starts spreading

sacred oyster
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if there is some science behind FOK being higher DPS during CD, then id expect to consider spread bleeds then CD -> FOK spam. But ive always CT with my CD's and stuff still melts hitting 100k DPS

sacred oyster
mint urchin
spice surge
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crimson_tempest,if=!variable.single_target&(active_dot.garrote<spell_targets.fan_of_knives|active_dot.rupture<spell_targets.fan_of_knives)

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The only thing it checks is if there are targets without bleeds up

mint urchin
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CT hits harder then FoK, the value of FoK is it's cheaper energy cost. Once you have enough dots going that you generate enough energy you just use CT for higher dmg

spice surge
sacred oyster
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I wonder if "BigAd" just means "the ad with more HP in a pack of 3". I really dont feel like dungeon slice is simulating packs of 10-15 mobs

spice surge
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You are very rarely fighting 10-15 mobs ingame either

sacred oyster
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I do all the time on big first pulls O.o

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but sure follow ups are then usually 5-10

sacred oyster
spice surge
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Ofc

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But its generally better to use it twice suboptimally than to have it once on a big pull

balmy condor
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what are you simming here

spice surge
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Dslice

balmy condor
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oh

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well then yeah

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it just pulled in the next pack

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gg

sacred oyster
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theres a 10s gap and a restealth implying its not a chain pull

balmy condor
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correct

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I didn't say it was a chain

sacred oyster
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so why not spread bleeds?

balmy condor
haughty flicker
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there are 3 mobs at the start of the pull

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it uses ct once then goes to fok

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then more mobs come in

balmy condor
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on this one it did chain, so you had 2-3 targets, it spread, pressed fok, got new targets, spread to those

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this the chain happening in real time

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severe meadow
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BigAdd1 HOLY

haughty flicker
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my nickname in college

sacred oyster
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i guess, though just doesnt line up reality to me as that feels like starting dps while the tank is still rounding everything up and hasnt solidly grabbed aggro yet and gonna end up dead.

lean plover
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well you got tricks

craggy saffron
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i need someone to tell me im stupid because i dont understand, in midnight supposedly night elf is supposed to be strong because of shadowmeld. but it doesnt put you in stealth to use empowered abilities, so you have to stand still while in a fight to re use stealth to then use empowered abilities, would that not be a dps loss?

sacred oyster
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gonna have to incorporate that

balmy condor
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it's impossible to model that because of how everyone perceives what that means

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and even if it could be modeled, the overfit would go insane

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that's a problem dungeonslice's cousin dungeonroute has

haughty flicker
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til what overfit means

balmy condor
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I've had plenty of long discussions you can search for regarding that if you're interested

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but like

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dungeonslice is designed to give a balanced example of many situations

spice surge
latent kernel
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Maghar is goat

balmy condor
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it's purpose is to do a bit of everything, do it varied, do that well

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and that averaging and balance is what gives it it strength

haughty flicker
spice surge
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But its the same as now, you can not restealth during any boss fights

thorn thorn
spice surge
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And during trash it sometimes works, but its a bit unreliable

thorn thorn
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If only blur still had dodge on it

balmy condor
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looking at it as a GCD sequence and going "but at 4:02:185 I had 2 targets and I don't have 2 targets, I have 4"

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is completely beside what it's trying to emulate

haughty flicker
latent kernel
thorn thorn
sacred oyster
thorn thorn
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I wouldnt use meld for anything other than aggro reset and meld tech if applicable

haughty flicker
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tbf he doesnt normally tank on that character

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but yeah it was suprising to me too

spice surge
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But that doesnt mean that its way better than anything else

latent kernel
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Yeah I don’t rlly know if it’s worth it bc of all the utility

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But I was just saying that you can def make it work consistently

lean plover
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you can always go dwarf for the extra defensive

haughty flicker
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no

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i dont think i will

thorn thorn
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Just use meld for aggro reset and your life will be better

thorn thorn
craggy saffron
lean plover
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where beta notes

haughty flicker
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no more notes until the last titan

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midnight is done development forever

latent kernel
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Meld is genuinely disgusting in keys, especially when that elsmere weakaura still existed that would tell you whenever you could meld something

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Didn’t realize how much you could cheese until I used that

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But in raid I think it’s still maghar

thorn thorn
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The last time I used meld for tech was Rezan

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Because he was just all sorts of buggy

sacred oyster
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hunter used FD on first streets boss to cheese the containment mech, that was a shock seeing him stay on top of the boss while targetted, was like welp hes dead. then it never happened lol

latent kernel
haughty flicker
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seasons where feral is strong and you press meld after convoke so you dont die to aggro

latent kernel
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Elemental shaman night elf when

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For that reason^^

lean plover
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at least ele is ranged

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enh got cucked

grave umbra
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Love assa. But the caustic nerf is wild AF no ?

severe meadow
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And is still doing a lot of damage tbh

grave umbra
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Wasn’t it like 45% in DF?

severe meadow
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Caustic was dicking it down, wild style

balmy condor
severe meadow
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This was pre nerf

balmy condor
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insane that you remember that

haughty flicker
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were those the same 6 hours sub had aoe kidney

severe meadow
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WHAT

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AoE kidney is crazy

haughty flicker
spice surge
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I mean even when it was 40%

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We had the aura bug

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So it was like 48%

balmy condor
spice surge
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For a while

balmy condor
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that string of numbers at the end

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haughty flicker
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oh i wasnt playing then

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i missed the fun

balmy condor
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usually when beta updates or something every week

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the id goes up by 200-300

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for example 2 weeks ago

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it went up 170ish

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so now imagine

spice surge
balmy condor
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4 different tunings of caustic

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within 100 ids

haughty flicker
balmy condor
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and then eventually it went to 40

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and then 35

severe meadow
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Someone was just hitting an arrow and watching the number change for fun

balmy condor
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but like, the fact he remembered it being 45 at one point

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is crazy memory

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genuinely impressed

thorn thorn
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I once remembered my own birthday

balmy condor
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I once forgot my own birthday

spice surge
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Dementia can be rough

balmy condor
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legit woke up on my birthday

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and was pissy for the first 4 hours

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cause we were rearranging furniture and stuff

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and I was like

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why the fuck am I doing this

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and then my dad was like "cause..... it's your birthday today?"

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he was a little concerned for my brain

thorn thorn
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I remember zero birthdays

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Sometimes not even my own terri_gato

balmy condor
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Dates are not my thing

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Numbers in general

thorn thorn
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Damn how did you meet gf

balmy condor
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I’m shit with phone numbers too

thorn thorn
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Just point and be like "we should be a couple"

balmy condor
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She asked me out btw

thorn thorn
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Huge

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Im bad with numbers

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But I remember a lot of non-number things

balmy condor
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All I know is my gfs birthday is a palindrome so it’s easy to remember and my anniversary is my phone password

haughty flicker
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holy

balmy condor
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And I can keep track of how many years we’ve been together

thorn thorn
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I have asthma of the brain

balmy condor
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And that’s all I need

haughty flicker
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i remember what asthma is

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bc its not a number

balmy condor
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I’m just glad I got bad memory brain

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And not “need subway surfer” brain

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Much rather would have my phone remind me of everything constantly

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Being a low attention span zoomer sounds like hell

paper sail
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So... FB isn't really an option for me how much less DPS is DS at 90??

thorn thorn
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I am a low attention span zoomer

fallow canopy
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what about low attention span boomer

thorn thorn
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Thats why I have so many messages in every class discord

balmy condor
thorn thorn
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Cuz I cant stop yapping

balmy condor
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Why isn’t fb an option?

paper sail
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Cuz is dumb

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and flips coins

fallow canopy
paper sail
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and doesn't impact the rotation

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Whoever came up with that.... OMEGAKEKW

balmy condor
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The passive thing you don’t need to care about is dumb, but the hero talent with an actively shit gameplay loop that fucks you over if you ever want to change targets isn’t

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Bit of an insane take

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But honestly, respect

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Man knows what he wants

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That’s legit

severe meadow
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Doesn't have a gamblers mindset

haughty flicker
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i remember when i didnt like fatebound bc of the theme

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then i played deathstalker for two seasons

spice surge
haughty flicker
paper sail
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Hmn idk, I like the moment to moment poping mark with a meaty envenom crit feels good peeposhrug

balmy condor
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Yeah, until you realize that it’s not really that meaty, the coin does similar meat

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And then you darkest night and something spawns

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And you need to swap

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And then instantly lose 25% dps

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Because you can’t move the mark

thorn thorn
balmy condor
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Then the meaty envenom isn’t fun anymore

thorn thorn
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And you insta green parse

paper sail
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But do I see it in a big numbers? and do I press a button knowing I doing it? Nope.

fallow canopy
balmy condor
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They get to suffer as we have

thorn thorn
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Is that actually still a thing or am I coping

balmy condor
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We’re in the shithole together

thorn thorn
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I swear the mark still vanishes occasionally

fallow canopy
balmy condor
paper sail
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Im just a filthy casual lol don't listen to me, my hot take is from delves, world quests and low m+s

fallow canopy
thorn thorn
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So is parry

balmy condor
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Deathstalker is just honestly the most hated thing rogue has gotten in like 4 expansions

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Nothing but insane negative feedback about it

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And blizzard made it worse

thorn thorn
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You get to roleplay hitting rock bottom irl when your mark vanishes and your dps does too

paper sail
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I mean im playing trickster rogue, but I wanna play assa and can't deal with the theme of FB

thorn thorn
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And you just cry

balmy condor
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Yeh

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Trickster is the last bastion of rogue atm

paper sail
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Trickster sub ***

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Love coup

thorn thorn
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Changed/broke

hallow glade
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Outlaw trickster is so bad

solar wyvern
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Since they fixed 40% crit dam and also nerfed heads what is the status on beta for hero talents

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Equal? DS better prio fb better overall?

fallow canopy
paper sail
hallow glade
solar wyvern
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Im ngl man this shit feels so wrong. Overall in a 17

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hallow glade
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They just caustic again for sure right?

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-5% here +5% here

fallow canopy
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Is caustic becoming the new psychic link, discuss

solar wyvern
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Caustic needs like 10% imo

marsh fjord
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I genuinely can not wait till this trilogy is over and we can get rid of hero talents, i think i even prefer covenants over hero talents.

solar wyvern
hallow glade
fallow canopy
marsh fjord
severe meadow
marsh fjord
severe meadow
hallow glade
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Get rid of hero talents? Bro I can’t wait until we actually get them

solar wyvern
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Amen

paper sail
haughty flicker
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im not sure where the idea they're only for the worldsoul saga comes from

balmy condor
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double the value of a capstone btw

marsh fjord
balmy condor
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why are capstones even called capstones

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when like shit in the middle of the tree

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is 2x as strong

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make that make sense

haughty flicker
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real

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they should be called midstones

fallow canopy
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Cappebbles doesnt have the same ring to it

marsh fjord
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because blizzard has no idea what they are doing

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thats why

thorn thorn
solar wyvern
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I mean sure, spatter is still an insane talent

haughty flicker
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mfw a bleed is top damage

hallow glade
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Hero talents only exist to add friction to rogues gameplay

solar wyvern
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Ig if they wanna buff our aoe they can buff poison bomb

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Or fok

haughty flicker
solar wyvern
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Or ct dam

balmy condor
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or bleeds

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which is basically what they did

thorn thorn
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What if

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We remove spatter and just go back to poison bomb gamba

solar wyvern
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Im thinking along a neutral st buff but aoe buff line

hallow glade
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Is assa gonna become the new uncapped monster if they buff bleeds

solar wyvern
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But ye bleed buff works

fallow canopy
thorn thorn
fallow canopy
balmy condor
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like realistically the tuning was caustic nerfed, but then envenom buffed, pb buffed, poison buffed, bleed buffed

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lot of compensation

haughty flicker
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doomblade buffed

solar wyvern
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Yeah but u can only compensate so much before you just become a st demon right

thorn thorn
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Honestly I do prefer bleeds being good in aoe too and not just energy fodder

balmy condor
thorn thorn
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Instead of just 70% of our aoe being just spatter

spice surge
thorn thorn
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I like the healthy mixture

solar wyvern
spice surge
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So it cant really be that egregious

spice surge
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So the assa one seems high in comparison

balmy condor
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and I was like

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hmmmmm

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that doesn't sound right

solar wyvern
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No i think 90k is high st, mage and warlock are just insanely broken

balmy condor
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but I didn't press on it

solar wyvern
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150k st is an outlier

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Unhdk doing 120k st is an outlier

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Like 3 classes is what people consider "normal" i do not get it

fallow canopy
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beta madness like usual

spice surge
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Same as ever, the meta classes are doing "normal" damage, everything else is dogshit

solar wyvern
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Xd yeah ig so

balmy condor
solar wyvern
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I think if warlock and mage werent turbo, devourer sub survival uhdk are suddenly "batshit op"

thorn thorn
haughty flicker
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how was open beta a mistake when we didnt get open beta

balmy condor
haughty flicker
thorn thorn
fallow canopy
solar wyvern
fallow canopy
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when the game is still at this date like 1 month away from actually relevant content

haughty flicker
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yeah we're just shifting the timeline here

waxen oyster
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Me when the dot spec in fact, does its damage primarily through dots.

haughty flicker
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people would still be eating up tierlists from content creators and all that

haughty flicker
thorn thorn
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Us

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We are the dot spec

waxen oyster
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give it a patch before they buff env/spatter

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or the deranged m+ andys think balance in their +5 matters

balmy condor
# solar wyvern No the best 3 dps are fine and everything else is shit or so ive been told hehe

I had someone in dms the other week legitimately try and argue that specs aren't "op", cause I said that demo needs to get nerfed, not assa buffed, and the response that it doesn't matter what the number is that the top spec is doing, because m+ is infinitely scaling and so therefore you should just tune everything up to whatever the top performer is, and if key levels go up by 4 who fucking cares, it's infinite

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and I was like okay but you realize that dps is not the only balance factor here and the raid still needs to be tuned appropriately

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and he was like nah, look at prepatch, raid is fine

solar wyvern
balmy condor
haughty flicker
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its actually wild how many people have that position across gaming

waxen oyster
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"I only play m+" is almost as big a sign to ignore what someone is saying as people who try to talk to you irl while holding one of their hands in the bird beak shape.

solar wyvern
haughty flicker
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wildly against nerfing anything and everything should be buffed up to the best performer

thorn thorn
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

haughty flicker
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then complains about issues caused by said power creep

midnight mist
fallow canopy
midnight mist
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if you just do infinite damage

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you will get one shotted

waxen oyster
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i forget people log in for prepatch

balmy condor
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yes that's what I said

midnight mist
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way before you get restricted by timer

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so

waxen oyster
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its there to collect gold from mount buyers

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then log off

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then watch your management tilt because dumb communities try to "price match"

midnight mist
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you guys still boost during prepatch

waxen oyster
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so you spend longer collecting gold

midnight mist
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my guild gave up i think

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cause the prices are too low

waxen oyster
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i mean we kill endboss

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so might as well ig?

midnight mist
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well we just dont raid

waxen oyster
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i think we're doing that rest of expac

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since our mt is going vacation

thorn thorn
earnest remnant
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we did 4 dimmy runs

midnight mist
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mt

thorn thorn
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I just do keys for fun to toy with the changes

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Cuz I dont like waiting

earnest remnant
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with 3-4 buyers in

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in every run

midnight mist
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what is a mt

waxen oyster
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main tank

midnight mist
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ah

haughty flicker
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mountain

waxen oyster
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but like buyers are so goofy sometimes

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you really making a case over like

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20-30k gold

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....

earnest remnant
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got 5,2mill gold payout from my boostings during farm this tier

solar wyvern
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That 30k is gonna pay my rent bud

earnest remnant
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and i wasent in this guild that long

waxen oyster
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I mean mount sale prices were much higher

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before prepatch

solar wyvern
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Das a lotta boosting sheesh

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We took like all of december january off lmfao

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Holidays ruined my gold income 😠

fallow canopy
waxen oyster
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yk i always hear eu boosting is wild payouts

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due to some rich ass arab oilers

solar wyvern
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Mfw p3 dimmy is 11% after burn

fresh kelp
solar wyvern
waxen oyster
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mfw i step the wrong person

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and im stuck in the hand shit

earnest remnant
waxen oyster
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also love getting rando nerfed

solar wyvern
earnest remnant
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2

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and prepatch we did 4

solar wyvern
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Pog

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Im so poor this season only 1.5m in the bank rn 🙁

earnest remnant
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oh i have infinite gold so its not like i needed it

balmy condor
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no one playing

waxen oyster
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I knew someone who had buyers

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that didnt die on araz

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Just spawn adds on the pillar

earnest remnant
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we had people pay extra to play the fights out

solar wyvern
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Wait thats kinda litty

waxen oyster
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Well on dimmy i think 90% of the buyers dont make the flying

balmy condor
haughty flicker
balmy condor
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but on something like araz it's actually surprisingly difficult to die on purpose

severe meadow
waxen oyster
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We had someone buy 6/8

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first week of prepatch

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nothing else though

static glacier
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I had 4 sales last week, these mount boosts going crazy

lethal turtle
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Where my beta build

hallow glade
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i ate it

lethal turtle
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Omg

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I love playing with fat flops

marble hemlock
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thats not a fat flop though

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its called a primordial pouch

lethal turtle
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fat flop

balmy condor
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Is there beta builds anymore

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Two weeks till launch right

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Probably release candidate and gg?

lethal turtle
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I figured this would be the last note wall then nothing till heroic week

crude helm
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didnt they do tuning night before EA last expac?

haughty flicker
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was it tuning on beta or tuning they pushed live with EA

wooden basin
balmy condor
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Their procedure is “dunno”

thorn thorn
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Vibemaxing the tuning

balmy condor
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If there’s no more patches they could technically just hotfix everything

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And then when the expac goes live

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They forget the hotfixes

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And then have to transfer them

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And then they miss a bunch

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And have to do it again

thorn thorn
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@severe meadow Hypothetically

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How do I become CE quality

wooden basin
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are we jestermaxxing in midnight

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motley of the grim jestermaxx

severe meadow
thorn thorn
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Ok now give me the serious answer

severe meadow
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Have you ever pushed for CE

thorn thorn
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Only once and the guild exploded after the second boss

severe meadow
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Realistically I don't know how cringe it is to join a guild that's recruiting for CE

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Without logs

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But I mean just don't be braindead, review logs, see what good players doing

crude helm
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When i joined my first guild a few tiers ago i basically had to join a new forming guild

severe meadow
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Idk I think if you have the will to improve at the game then you can be a CE obtainer

sonic zinc
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just convert ur current aotc guild into a ce guild like me

balmy condor
thorn thorn
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I was playing lizard when it happened

balmy condor
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Yeah but what are you playing now

thorn thorn
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devo

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I am a servant of voodoo now

balmy condor
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You can probably find a guild on dh

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Ranged is always in demand, dh debuff is good

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Just start applying to a billion guilds

thorn thorn
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I probably cant due to schedule conflicts but that might be changing in the coming months logs

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If I get a better schedule maybe I try CE for realsies and see how dumbo I am

haughty flicker
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ce sucks anyway

severe meadow
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You got CE in my heart Bel

thorn thorn
pallid notch
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Hi all
Liking to swap classes for Midnight and looking at rogue. What are the general vibes of rogue going into Midnight?
Appreciate any feedback!

nova kelp
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holy god the mage towers are insane atm rofl

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what is this!?

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you just snap it in half

severe meadow
nova kelp
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I'm personally not enjoying rogue currently, I feel like the class is feeling a little "empty" (?) now, lessened the complexity, but I don't really feel like there's any level of engagement gained

Will see how it shakes out, utility woes persist which annoys me more if anything.

We got time.

pallid notch
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Im looking to switch off shadow priest for what it’s worth

nova kelp
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were I to switch, I'd never switch to a clsas with a single dps spec

I'm always scared of being "balanced out of the game"

cunning needle
nova kelp
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the fear has never left

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I thought I was away from it for a bit, and then bfa sub happened

cunning needle
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it's actually insane whenever i swap from my rogue to my paladin/druid alt

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queue timers are basically instant

nova kelp
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I might just do the casual thing and play dh or dk if I did play something else

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this is the first time since legion I've actually considered it

severe meadow
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but I have most classes at max level

nova kelp
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see, shaman is a 1 dps spec class for me

balmy condor
nova kelp
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because FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK ele

cunning needle
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oh thanks for reminding me, i should boost a shaman

nova kelp
severe meadow
nova kelp
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I get it, I have a job, a job gives me money, money saves me time

severe meadow
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Well the boost came from the preorder that I didn't pay for xd

nova kelp
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the fuck else am I gona do with it?
buy RAM cards?

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good fucking luck on that one

cunning needle
#

oh yeah i have a free lvl 80 boost

#

thanks for teh reminder

#

wahoo

balmy condor
thorn thorn
#

Is ranged actually a rare thing to find

balmy condor
#

Good ranged is always the bottleneck in rosters

thorn thorn
#

Huh

#

That seems surprising to me

nova kelp
#

yeah but ranged is also mostly balls

drifting cloud
#

nobody smart is overrecruiting melee

waxen oyster
#

have you seen the average mage player

nova kelp
#

and somehow we've got 3 warlocks

balmy condor
#

Melee is less desired, id argue there’s more melee players

drifting cloud
#

you can literally have like 4-5 melee on your roster and build from there

balmy condor
#

And the amount of absolute braindead ranged players

#

Is astronomical

waxen oyster
#

If you're a good mage or warlock it's like being a girl on tinder.

nova kelp
#

yeah because ranged is mostly balls

waxen oyster
#

Let's be real.

balmy condor
nova kelp
#

I do really enjoy warlock and that damfangled new range spec

waxen oyster
#

whisypr wants dpics from 40 y.os

#

oh wait thats grindr

#

mb

drifting cloud
balmy condor
nova kelp
#

now

#

I have a serious question

#

race change my dh to velf or leave as nelf?

waxen oyster
#

nelf to meld when your dipshit tank doesnt hold aggro

#

It's also nice to have mogs on a race that isnt tiny

balmy condor
lethal turtle
#

play nelf cause it looks good

#

ppl that play dwarf are psychos

nova kelp
#

I HATE the dorf jump

waxen oyster
#

he said dh

nova kelp
#

that little shitty balet leap

sonic dune
#

haven't played velf in years is the blink/port good?

waxen oyster
#

nelf is nice when you went into pack early to dump your damage

thorn thorn
waxen oyster
#

always gotta rotate blur or meld

thorn thorn
#

But it makes sense that the need for competent ranged is the issue

thorn thorn
waxen oyster
#

does devo actually hardcast anything

thorn thorn
#

So you still have a high chance to splat

waxen oyster
thorn thorn
#

yup

#

for aggro problems ye

waxen oyster
#

me when i accidentally hunt early

thorn thorn
#

Blur is 25% dr but its not dodge

waxen oyster
#

and need to meld the second i connect

thorn thorn
#

So if you pull aggro you have a high chance of dieing insta

nova kelp
#

you guys suck

#

you just have to wait for 5 sunders

#

then you start dps

#

duh

waxen oyster
#

but idk nelf just looks better

#

than belf and its edgy ripoff

nova kelp
#

yeah but VELF has voidy shoulders

waxen oyster
#

?

#

its the chest

#

if you're talking heritage

nova kelp
#

well yeah

#

but it's on the shoulder area

thorn thorn
#

Do nelf

#

You will regret going velf

#

Take my word for you

#

You will die a lot to aggro problems without meld

#

Devo has insane aggro problems rn

nova kelp
#

I mean I won't regret it

#

my rogue changes race every 3 weeks

thorn thorn
nova kelp
waxen oyster
#

ngl the biggest threat ripper

#

was s1 havoc

#

crit with mandate use

nova kelp
#

the real culprit is the fact that the melee threat buff doesn't apply to shit it should

#

like immo aura

waxen oyster
#

because yk

#

most tanks dont have 2 braincells to just taunt with their damage global

#

on pull

#

I think the only time i've not had aggro is when some dip ret decides to wings while im gathering.

#

So i just ignore the guy and let him die

pine helm
#

Hey guys good morning, or whatever part of the day it is for you

#

I just wanted to pop in and ask about the state of assa

#

I'm coming back to wow and I would like to main assa

royal python
#

Is there some input lag bug? Sometimes I feel my mutilate ambush don't work

pine helm
#

So I guess what I'm trying to ask is it fun and functioning properly? Numbers are subject to change and all that.

buoyant herald
#

If you liked it in TWW you should like it still

#

IMO it’s only been improved BUT energy feels a wee bit worse by most accounts and that puts people off

pine helm
balmy condor
#

It’s basically shadowlands assa

#

Spec hasn’t changed that much

#

Press some bleeds, dump combo points on envenom

#

Slow and steady

#

It’s aight

pine helm
#

Sounds good

cunning needle
#

what about restealthing

balmy condor
#

I know what continent you live on

#

And it’s a smaller one

pine helm
#

I'll give it a go today, see how it feels

cunning needle
#

yeah but we're the largest island in the world!

balmy condor
#

90% chance you live on the west coast as well

#

I am rapidly approaching your location

pine helm
#

Greenland?

balmy condor
#

Or east

#

East.

#

West is the one that isn’t as populated

cunning needle
#

it's neither of those coasts

balmy condor
cunning needle
#

even though you are correct that the west one is the one thats not as populated

balmy condor
#

WAIT THAT NARROWS IT DOWN HELLA

cunning needle
#

i'd hope so

#

there are only 2 other coasts

#

one of them has a population thats probably a rounding error

balmy condor
#

Nah you’re crocodile dundy out in the desert

cunning needle
#

and the other has the population thats slightly more than a rounding error

cunning needle
buoyant herald
#

Tasmanian for sure

haughty flicker
#

wait actually

#

wouldnt tasmania be another 4 coasts

#

and probably other islands

#

you're a fucking liar

cunning needle
#

tasmania is a rounding error

#

beautiful island though

#

also has a distillery that's won some world whiskey award 3 times in the last decade

balmy condor
#

That’s where the devil lives

cunning needle
#

the tasmanian one, yes

#

it's just a local devil though

pine helm
#

Wait i just realized Whisp aren't you the one doing 1h vids on assasination? I've seen it in my recommended videos

drifting cloud
#

thats him, the white monster chugger himself

cunning needle
#

nah that's another whispyr

obsidian oracle
#

shindig is exposing an aff lock, arcane mage on stream

cunning needle
#

this whispyr just plays maple story

pine helm
#

Oh wow I really landaded in the right spor

#

Spot*

balmy condor
cunning needle
balmy condor
#

I’m not even home right now I just finished bowling

cunning needle
#

how'd you score?

balmy condor
#

635

#

Was aight

#

Should’ve been more but I fucked up a couple of important shots

#

We still won all 3 so it’s whatever

cunning needle
#

wins a win

#

gzgz

balmy condor
#

Win is indeed a win

#

I don’t think we’re catching first

#

Might end up like 3rd or something

nova kelp
#

a win is a win

...unless you're REALLY competing with yourself and don't rate the performance

jolly stirrup
#

til Whispyr is a semi professional bowler

#

Damn

balmy condor
#

Yeah I mean I’m just disappointed cause the first game was a 230 that should’ve been a 260

#

And then I lost it in the second game

nova kelp
#

he's an expert with balls

#

especially heavy ones

balmy condor
#

And then the third game was a 215 that should’ve been a 240

#

so like, I bowled fine

#

But it’s still frustrating knowing it was dumb mistakes

jolly stirrup
#

Mistakes happen, you learn from them and correct them next time

balmy condor
#

I left this fucking 3-4-7-10

#

TWICE

#

I was beside myself

elfin flame
#

is sudden demise supposed to interact with singular focus

balmy condor
#

Never has

pine helm
#

Quick question, where can I find (good) talent builds?

balmy condor
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
pine helm
#

Thanks^^

paper sail
#

Ugh I know it doesn't matter, but I need like a million valor stones rn, whats the best way to farm then?

glossy dust
#

is the wowhead guide more or less up2date? is midnight going to be mad diffrent playewhise or is it worth investing time rn?

balmy condor
#

midnight introduces one impactful apex talent

glossy dust
balmy condor
#

and otherwise it's literally identical

glossy dust
#

i see so def worth it

#

is it fun?dracthyr_joy2

balmy condor
#

that's subjective on who you ask

glossy dust
#

true - let me rephrase, is it clanky to play or does it flow nicely

#

iirc sin got some qol stuff

balmy condor
#

energy is a bit slower but fine

#

if you liked it before, you'll like it now

#

if you didn't like it before, you still won't

glossy dust
#

is pooling back? ive only half followed

balmy condor
#

not really

#

you envenom 5x and then let the buff drop

#

and that's really about it

hallow glade
#

i was wondering, does that naturally line up to you reapplying rupture?

balmy condor
#

not even remotely

glossy dust
#

sounds good tho i remember bleed build being cool in m+ and st being decent

balmy condor
#

bleed build had some of the worst ST assa has ever had

#

also that builds dead

hallow glade
#

vanishing on last boss priory to dot all the shitters climbing the stairs

#

holy

haughty flicker
glossy dust
#

wait what, bleed build is gone?

hallow glade
#

sudden demise too expensive, no more shiv/crimson tempest i guess

#

also the talent tree is just kinda set up to force you to take poison talents

#

you have to take kingsbane for apex and you have to take amp poison for rupture damage

balmy condor
#

no more arterial bleed buff

#

no more crimson tempest bleed

#

kingsbane required

glossy dust
#

t f do i do then

balmy condor
#

2/2 scent is really expensive

#

wdym

#

it plays the exact same

glossy dust
#

it does?

balmy condor
#

I mean you have kingsbane now

#

but like

#

bleed build you spread bleeds

#

and then spammed envenom

#

now you spread bleeds

glossy dust
#

yesh

balmy condor
#

and spam envenom

#

that's what the rotations always been

glossy dust
#

oh it sounded like you do cursed things noe bcs of the "bleed build dead"

elfin flame
balmy condor
#

"bleed build" wasn't ever a different rotation

elfin flame
#

ok ty

balmy condor
#

it was just moving damage from envenom/poisons into bleeds

#

now the damage just moves back

#

but to you as a player

#

nothing has changed

glossy dust
#

lmao

hallow glade
#

felt very flexible with how you used it

#

especially hitting it in execute felt really nice

#

what if they replace sudden demise with aoe exsang

ancient tangle
#

ye 100%

balmy condor
#

I would kill myself instantly

hallow glade
balmy condor
#

"replace sudden demise with aoe exsang"

#

is a game-uninstalling sentence

#

that's the shit that destroyed the roman empire

hallow glade
#

that would be good dont lie

haughty flicker
#

its not the same with kingsbane

hallow glade
#

theres not even a point to sudden demise anyone man

haughty flicker
#

i will never change my mind

#

bleed build is forever deadge

hallow glade
#

you cant even execute mobs with crimson tempest anymore

balmy condor
#

like genuinely I could not create a worse combination of words if you gave me 1000 years

#

"aoe exsang"

glossy dust
#

shiv main dps cd? wasnt it just another buffer for DM

haughty flicker
#

aoe exsang + dm

balmy condor
hallow glade
#

whats wrong with aoe exsang as a button Cheesin

balmy condor
#

shiv was your entire cd set

glossy dust
#

lol

balmy condor
#

I'm literally shaking

glossy dust
#

we talking about twe s3 right

balmy condor
#

yes

glossy dust
#

well

#

i remember kb not mattering as much and imoortance of covering all of dm eith shiv

#

didnt know shiv was the main thing

balmy condor
#

you didn't take kingsbane

hallow glade
#

shiv was a giga amp

glossy dust
#

not even in st?

hallow glade
#

it was like aoe deathmark

glossy dust
#

did i straight up run some cursed stuff

balmy condor
elfin flame
#

what if they replace doomblade with aoe deathmark

balmy condor
#

this was bleed build

elfin flame
#

thoughts?

haughty flicker
#

real

balmy condor
glossy dust
#

but only aoe right

balmy condor
hallow glade
#

aoe exsang would be choice you just lack vision

glossy dust
balmy condor
#

oh sure

#

that's a completely different build, yes

glossy dust
#

i was having half a hearth attackdracthyr_joy2

#

idk bleed build felt nice to play

#

pretty chill

balmy condor
#

then you'd like midnight assa

#

it's the same thing but you press kingsbane!

jolly stirrup
#

Jesus I felt your BP rising with every message

glossy dust
#

oh

#

was it not considered fun by most?

balmy condor
#

it was considered the same amount of fun as any other build with assa

#

you just did zero boss damage

#

and that was the main complaint

hallow glade
#

it was miles better than "cleave" build 💀

#

to play

#

1 vanish on assa for a whole season was so bad

glossy dust
#

idk hope your blood pressure is fine

#

felt nice to me

balmy condor
#

messer lives to ragebait me it's chill

#

but yeh idk

hallow glade
#

its not ragebait its just my dogshit take

balmy condor
#

it didn't "feel" like anything to me

#

you press the same buttons

#

what is there to feel

runic hinge
balmy condor
haughty flicker
balmy condor
glossy dust
#

well flow is more or less what makes or breaks it imo

haughty flicker
#

kingsbane in raid = nice and wholesome ability

#

kingsbane in keys = devils asshole

#

i will not be swayed

jolly stirrup
#

I support you Bel

glossy dust
#

is it that bad

haughty flicker
#

i have not used logic to reach this opinion so logic shall not sway me

glossy dust
#

u just cant swap but thats about it

jolly stirrup
#

Also tbf, today is the beginning of one of the more stressful work weeks for me because of ✨ carnival ✨, so I wanna just off myself

runic hinge
#

Kb in keys sucks when your friends target your kb target so it dies super fast and you do no damage and they laugh at you

glossy dust
#

but i see the issue

runic hinge
#

Yeah they are tbh

glossy dust
#

it is funny rho ngl

jolly stirrup
crude helm
balmy condor
crude helm
#

I got my 2 minutes in

#

But it was close

solar wyvern
crude helm
#

I’m trying to cook a take that will take whispyr out hold on

solar wyvern
crude helm
#

Sudden demise should be like 30% more bleed damage

balmy condor
#

sudden demise should be aoe exsang

crude helm
#

And make CT spread to 5

balmy condor
#

oh no the brainworms

solar wyvern
#

Whispyr i played assa in some keys today

#

On ze beta

crude helm
#

I was noob last time exsang was a button you pressed

solar wyvern
#

I played 25% haste 8)

#

Bleed cranking 8)

Screenshot_20260212_013758_Chrome2.jpg
crude helm
#

I wanna beta more but I put myself in tbc jail

runic hinge
solar wyvern
#

If plater doesnt get its shit together i may have to go platy cause i can see all 4 poisons on nameplates

#

Its a real banger, reminds me when i was a turbo noob in df with bonespike doomblade 4 poisons rupture garrote kingsbane dm caustic showing on plates

crude helm
#

I pressed my CDs on bosses only for 2 seasons

solar wyvern
#

Nice i did that in s1 of df when i started

runic hinge
#

Same lol

solar wyvern
#

Until a nice pug said "why hold for boss when it will be back up by then?"

runic hinge
#

I hadn’t really done keys before that

solar wyvern
#

And my brain expanded

runic hinge
#

I think stealthi said “use cds on cd” and I was like wait that’s way more damage he’s right

crude helm
#

Yeah when I realized I could just “solo queue” m+ in DF s3 that’s when everything clicked

#

My addons folder expanded beyond details

wide berry
#

Did that wa replacement that people were bigging up get Thanos snapped yet?

ivory elk
#

hear me out, CT talent replaces FOK but lower CT to 40 energy aswell

#

I guess it would almost be 2 button like sub then though with no challenge to dot management 🤔

balmy condor
#

and that's why it is the way it is

waxen oyster
#

then overwrite your exsang dots

#

after

night cipher
#

anyone with friends at blizzard dev team? can you ask why we lost aoe blind but DKs kept it ?

waxen oyster
#

We still have it

ivory elk
waxen oyster
#

you press it and it does

ivory elk
#

Oh it's built-in? Didn't it use to be a talent?

waxen oyster
#

i mean its still on airborne

#

bad button anyway

subtle kiln
cunning needle
#

fuck being target locked

pine helm
#

Hey guys, do you ever slice and dice as assa?

balmy condor
#

no

pine helm
#

Oh thank god I hate that button

#

Thanks Whisp^^

balmy condor
#

none of the rogue specs press it

#

just fwiw

#

it's applied via a passive

hearty seal
#

it's built into your main finisher for every spec since 11.0.5

#

press Envenom/Dispatch/Eviscerate and you get SnD for free

iron carbon
balmy condor
#

good for them

iron carbon
#

And some (rare) times, pressing it between pulls to not waste your CP fading

pine helm
#

Ah awesome thanks for the info

sharp viper
#

Whisper is a fake outlaw main SMHmyhead my head

subtle kiln
worthy timber
runic hinge
#

What if I want to track it

balmy condor
pine helm
#

hey guys, back again with a question 😄 do we still use shiv rotationally?

frank trench
#

I believe if you are deathstalker you can take the shiv talent and if your combos end up at 6 you shiv to 7 to pop darkest night.

#

When I was testing my ui with deathmark and darkest night this kinda happens a decent amount

pine helm
#

I thought we're supposed to pick fatebound

frank trench
#

Yes……but IF you play deathstalker you can do this. I’m 99% sure this is all in the wowhead guide. Deathstalker IF you choose to play it will be slightly less dps on AoE but will help push bosses but since you have to manage mark makes it more difficult

pine helm
#

oh I see

frank trench
#

Would totally suck to be at 6 combos use a mutilate or fok and giga overcap

pine helm
#

yeah I get that

frank trench
#

Mind you someone will probably say I’m totally full of crap but I swear Whispyr talked about it either in here or in guide

balmy condor
#

You’re full of crap

#

Everything you said was accurate though

frank trench
lethal turtle
#

If you add the macro /camp to all your abilities while Deathstalker you'll never have this 6 combo point dilemma

frank trench
#

I oddly really like the rythm of deathstalker I just hate not being able to move it make it like hunters mark or something.

solar harbor
#

So i have been playing a lot of outlaw in prepatch and beta, how is assa looking for when it launches?

lethal turtle
#

I think I played DS a ton in S1, can't remember. I don't remember it being awful in M+ but def like fated more

lethal turtle
keen kite
#

hey , due to buffs how assa performs in m+ ?

lethal turtle
#

In higher keys its good

frank trench
lethal turtle
#

Im gonna do more 19s+ this weekend for these changes. I think sub is probably the best atm

#

Its so cursed in a 20 POS my demo is doing 250k overall and im hovering 200k

frank trench
#

Assassination is most fun though irregardless of numbers imo CT is hella fun in m+

lethal turtle
#

Yeah I like sin the most

frank trench
#

I did 8-10 m+ runs on each spec and assassination just feels like a perfect spot of nuance and fun

keen kite
#

@lethal turtlesub still the best? -11% dmg after patch.

solar wyvern
#

Im not seeing a 20 POS timed by an assa rogue

lethal turtle
#

I was sub, idk if it was logged. our lock does it

#

I haven't completed a key over 17 on sin

solar wyvern
#

Ah that makes more sense lmao

lethal turtle
#

I just remember overalls.

solar wyvern
#

Ye 250k for warlock seems low ngl

#

That spec sure is something haha

#

Assa sure is great!

#

Dont mind my warlock doing 170k st on all 3 st bosses

frank trench
#

Jesus that’s a wide number gap

lethal turtle
#

Yeah its like so weird champ how blizzard does tuning

#

Full beta lock is just so dumb

#

While my main class I want to roll in midnight catching -8% nerfs

keen kite
#

what about sub? how much it does ?

solar wyvern
#

Its so crazy too cause i coped with myself and was like, "yeah look at my prio damage tho!"

#

Then i look at log and warlock is constantly 3-5m more prio damage on every prio mob XD

solar wyvern
keen kite
#

sub looks still the best rog spec for m+ i guess

lethal turtle
#

I was lying

solar wyvern
#

I think sub is kindof paddy, if assa gets any sort of aoe buff its probably the play

lethal turtle
#

tbf tho like sub looks good if your not in a key with arcane or demo

#

but ya its all blackpowder

#

st is kinda behind. its not horrible

solar wyvern
#

Ye ive been doing a lot of evis/strike in aoe

#

And i just think

#

Why am i not a good class xd

#

Idk i think sub st sitting around 85k in keys is fine

lethal turtle
#

ya if i dont see more tuning, im pretty close to convincing myself to play dk

solar wyvern
#

I think 80-90k is the goalpost for st with CLEAR outliers

lethal turtle
#

ya i wouldnt pay attention to comparing yourself to arcane or demo

solar wyvern
#

Or uhdk

lethal turtle
#

id rather compare myself to a uhdk vs the other 2

solar harbor
lethal turtle
#

def worse to both on beta imo

#

Im not extremely poggers at Outlaw, i try to avoid it, fries my brain in higher keys or mythic

solar wyvern
#

The fact that outlaw caught 15% and still outpaces assa will never not be funny to me

solar harbor
#

ah i got ya! Thanks for the help! I wanted to see if it was a just me sucking think or if outlaw is just tuned higher now

lethal turtle
#

havoc and sin stressed to max this beta

solar wyvern
#

Idk i think if ur dps dh just go devourer

#

U know they gonna tune it good

lethal turtle
#

true but that spec is bootyhole to play

severe meadow
#

Our DH has been dooming about it since it released

#

I’m so over it

lethal turtle
#

Dooming about playing dev or havoc being bad

severe meadow
#

Playing Dev

plush umbra
#

I think devourer is honestly quite fun, a lot of the dooming now comes from the consume spam, but that's just for void scarred

severe meadow
#

Boring, it sucks, isn’t tuned well

#

Etc

plush umbra
#

since blizzard is aware that consume spamming exists, and it's the shiny new spec, I'm not too worried about them making some more adjustments there

pine helm
#

so, sorry if I sound dumb but I just got back, do we still need to stealth to apply dots? because I was under the impression that's no longer the case but looking at improved garrote seems that I should stealth.

lethal turtle
#

yes

severe meadow
lethal turtle
#

just no longer need stealth to aoe bleed everything

#

still a dps increase just not make or break your pull

severe meadow
#

Indiscriminate carnage gone, you use Crimson temp to spread now

pine helm
#

ahh I see, dumb dumb hehe. thanks ^^

severe meadow
#

Not an awful question if you’re just returning

lethal turtle
#

Never a dumb question if you don't genuinely know

pine helm
#

haven't been in the game in a while

#

a bit rusty

severe meadow
#

Assa feels good imo

#

I like the changes

lethal turtle
#

Ditto

severe meadow
#

DS is fuck ass tho

lethal turtle
#

I love it in raid too, just BUFF ME

pine helm
#

so would I be correct in assuming I only garrote once from stealth and then spread with tempest? or do I do it manually

severe meadow
#

Tempest

#

Tempest isn’t a bad button either, it just costs a lot of energy