assassination

[humble verge]

about pooling

[thorn thorn]

I love how delulu forum posters are

[onyx coyote]

can be like a fun soap opera there

[balmy condor]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/xansion-returns-velocity-dagger-fury-breaks-rage-normalization-sims-are-wrong/2225304

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

this is such a banger

i think him very confidently explaining how sims work to archimtiros is my favorite part

[mint urchin]

That's a great read lol

[marsh fjord]

You can tell whispyr is in his league of legends mindset so toxic man

Poor ujwu

@humble verge need more videos

[static glacier]

That guy legit has to be the only smart warrior

[thorn thorn]

I will not take these comments from a blue name

[marsh fjord]

Wrong slander

Im not outlaw

[severe meadow]

Yet..

[thorn thorn]

[marsh fjord]

Sub and assa need to hold hands

[marsh fjord]

LETSGOOOOOOOO

[humble verge]

whispyr understanding my stupidness

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-usagi-cry-gif-4084831564383065843

[static glacier]

All ima say is I questioned what an expac of prog on sub would feel like and it hurt me, deeply

[thorn thorn]

blue name propaganda

Traitor

[marsh fjord]

?

[thorn thorn]

Thats better

[spice surge]

dagger users including warrior beware nerf incoming… (Outlaw Rogue)
Procs off Auto Attacks (RPPM). Since I attack 2x faster, I get 2x more Sudden Death procs.

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

bro had chatgpt cook him up a cartoon villain rant to end the thread

[thorn thorn]

[humble verge]

the ---

[golden loom]

[thorn thorn]

God

Reading that brick of text

I might actually die of cringe

Send help

[balmy condor]

yeah the entire thing is chatgpt not remembering how the puzzle pieces fit together

[humble verge]

you can also see its AI with the hyphen used

its always overly long

[balmy condor]

it's an emdash

but yes

[humble verge]

what

is that an actual thing

[balmy condor]

yes

[humble verge]

never heard about it

[balmy condor]

it's also used correctly

[loud light]

yes, writers have used it for ages but people on the internet are illiterate

[balmy condor]

it's just not something normal people use

[loud light]

and AI introduced them to it

[humble verge]

[humble verge]

i mean

yes

but also no

is there an actual way to use it without per se using alt codes?

[balmy condor]

no, it's not standardized on keyboards without shortcuts

[humble verge]

yeah i mean

then saying people are illiterate is just dumb

[balmy condor]

but it is a grammatical feature, hyphens are actually the shortest of 3

there's hyphens, en dashes, and em dashes

[loud light]

if you have Word, type two hyphens (no space) between two words

and it will automatically convert it

[humble verge]

oh

i have done that

[balmy condor]

ye

[humble verge]

i do know of it

[thorn thorn]

"Ah yes this AI generated philosophical text about sims will be the perfect capstone for my forum post"

[humble verge]

i genuinely thought it was still a normal dash tho

[humble verge]

or a lenghtened one

[thorn thorn]

jay send help

[humble verge]

never bothered to find out the name for it

[thorn thorn]

Im gonna die of cringe

[severe meadow]

Hello

[loud light]

anyway the thing that tips me off is the structure of the post and that thing it does where it bolds a single word and makes these sweeping statements

"it's not just creative, it's Iconic" type bullshit

[balmy condor]

also every list is a triplet

[humble verge]

its probably on purpose to outline it

pretty much

[balmy condor]

holy triplets

[static glacier]

Bro this level of shitposting used to take time, now he copypastas ChatGPT 😭

[humble verge]

yeah people dont wanna take time to shitpost

[balmy condor]

shitposting used to require talent

[thorn thorn]

Still does to make good shit posting

[humble verge]

like this copypasta i made

i hope it works

[thorn thorn]

Too many people lake low effort shitposts

[humble verge]

it did

[thorn thorn]

brother

[humble verge]

i deleted it

dont worry

[runic hinge]

Like my whole life

[balmy condor]

it'll forever live in the deleted message log

[humble verge]

now it wont

but now it will

[static glacier]

Bruh

[thorn thorn]

boy

uber

[humble verge]

[static glacier]

My brain rotted from reading

[thorn thorn]

you playing a dangerous game

[static glacier]

That

[humble verge]

i have it posted in #off-topic

like yesterday

[static glacier]

Shoutout osama, famed SV hunter

[thorn thorn]

Everytime you talk

I can only imagine you dancing on whispyrs last nerve

[humble verge]

what nerve

[static glacier]

You guys know the angry German cat

[golden loom]

ubersmorc

[humble verge]

im not as bad as the other ragebaiters here

[static glacier]

That’s gonna be whispyr eventually

[humble verge]

[tall jay]

The one that didn’t get sick hah

[humble verge]

i member

[static glacier]

Bro willingly took the bait

[thorn thorn]

Its actually the best quote I have ever seen

[static glacier]

Our TC does come out with frequently quotable things

More than the other rogue TCs in recent memory too

[thorn thorn]

More than any TC I have seen

[tall jay]

Wait…so…12.0.1 comes out Tuesday/Wednesday?

Nice!!!

[thorn thorn]

Another classic

[static glacier]

Idk if we could consider Zac / Zeross TCs at a point Zac had green name and had pins etc

[spice surge]

Man that entire thread was wild, gemini just kept pulling classic mechanics into it

[static glacier]

Zac would win the debate

[thorn thorn]

Zeross losing an argument to himself was peak

[static glacier]

😭😭

[golden loom]

my goat

[thorn thorn]

You are brave for reading the whole thing

[spice surge]

Cant believe archi actually responded

[static glacier]

You know of all the specs it had to be outlaw that lost an argument to itself

You need just the perfect level of intellect and stupidity to manage it

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[thorn thorn]

I just spoke to john blizzard

If you keep using mp4s in 2026 he is deleting all of your rogues

[royal lantern]

holy shit that made my evening

"here is a shity google AI summary that repeats what i said, so im right"

[thorn thorn]

Its jover

Your account is kill

[severe meadow]

God I remember that

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[bleak sleet]

this made me want to vomit

[thorn thorn]

YELLOW

[bleak sleet]

i also love how you can tell instantly what kind of person this is

ya im a piss baby get over it

i joined in 2020 okay

[thorn thorn]

[bleak sleet]

[thorn thorn]

We almost brought you into a discussion voodoo

It was about the forbidden one

[lethal turtle]

You have summoned me

[thorn thorn]

no not you

probably

[bleak sleet]

Exodia?

or do you mean Saeldur

this is a melee spec that isnt DH, you guys are fairly safe

[lethal turtle]

The thin Shadarek has spoken

Rogue is saved

[bleak sleet]

fucking knew it was you doing that

[lethal turtle]

I stopped seeing your videos pop up on my feed otherwise I would have kept it up

I forgot to sub

[thorn thorn]

ancine

also thin shadarek goes crazy

[lethal turtle]

Thank you, unforch I have been in Fel Hammer prison since 2022

[thorn thorn]

pretty sure 2022 was back when it was a shithole

[lethal turtle]

I cursed the spec like Voldemort on the Dark Arts class room and the spec has been shit for 4 years

[thorn thorn]

which spec

[lethal turtle]

Did we have a memory wipe in the last minute

Havoc

[bleak sleet]

They dont know your dark arts

you've been jailed for too long

[lethal turtle]

I am reformed

[bleak sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/been-through-war-gif-14804550298263605778

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

No im just dumb

[lethal turtle]

I don't think so

[thorn thorn]

A dangerous amount of silly

[lethal turtle]

Silly I can get behind

[thorn thorn]

The kind of silly that gets me in trouble

[lethal turtle]

Not the island kind of trouble I hope

[balmy condor]

saeldur and I talk regularly

[thorn thorn]

That fact makes me nervous for some reason

[thorn thorn]

Nah i just got banned from paladin discord

Nothing of importance

[bleak sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/been-through-war-gif-14804550298263605778

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/suffering-pain-kruglik-are-we-suffering-swag-gif-21495600

A highly menacing fact indeed

[thorn thorn]

Also thanks for the gif

https://imgur.com/RhnxLCR

I give one in exchange

[mint urchin]

What a great dungeon

[rare forum]

anyone know best stats for single target?

[balmy condor]

crit mast

did I redo the command

lets find out

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation. For a rough recommendation:

Agility (Item level) > Crit >= Mastery >= Haste > Vers

[rare forum]

ty very much i was struggling

[balmy condor]

assa in general doesn't really care for secondaries

if it has stats, it's good

[rare forum]

I'm doing very little damage in single, which is what matters to me. I wasn't sure if it was a stats issue, but I'm going to try increasing my mastery.

like you said crit mastery

actually i have 390 crit/ 300 haste/ 390 mastery

yep my damage increased alot ty

[balmy condor]

the stats shouldn't really change anything

assa is just giga shit in prepatch

[rare forum]

true xD

[thorn thorn]

This is good because I dislike juggling secondaries

[viscid spear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/1347570769441329202/watermark.gif?width=373&height=210

[thorn thorn]

https://imgur.com/sPSnQ6a

[buoyant herald]

Dragon on dragon crime 😩

[woven ruin]

Is there a way to hide Wangbar out of combat?

[magic summit]

That brings be back to Aug life

It was a fun time hey Jartik

[hexed frost]

play assa after 6 months
fok gives 1 Cp on first pull of floodgate.

Peak gayming experience

[magic summit]

Hit CT?

[hexed frost]

Yeah Ik. Just used ct last global to spread bleeds

[magic summit]

Only spreads to 2 targets so need it
Hit it a bit in mass aoe

[hexed frost]

Yes

[thorn thorn]

Hello

[magic summit]

Hey mate :p us augs branching out

[obtuse robin]

is cold blooded killer also bugged for sin?

[balmy condor]

did it break again?

[obtuse robin]

idk im like a week behind been busy

[balmy condor]

been working fine afaik idk

[obtuse robin]

ight cool

[balmy condor]

they fixed cold blooded killer

wasn't proccing at all randomly

so

unless that broke again I'm unaware of any bugs

never know

[obtuse robin]

nah dont mind me

[jovial idol]

How much crit do you have?

[hexed frost]

29% i guess

[jovial idol]

Need more for assa

[balmy condor]

won't stop the 1cp foks

but yeh sure

29% probably not ideal

[magic summit]

I'm at 50% base atm

[sharp viper]

midnight is gonna change that once we level

fatebound assa feels fine in combat with 50+ crit

[static glacier]

Can’t ever generate 1 cp if you only press mutilate

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[lean aurora]

Hey guys, have not been in touch with the beta in the last couple of weeks. How are things turning out for us in general? (Disregarding tuning)

[balmy condor]

we haven't gotten any major changes since the first couple of beta builds

still good

[atomic cargo]

Guys, maybe a silly question, I'm trying Assa and I can use my lethal poinson plus all 3 non lethal ones, righ? In M+ I guess using Crippling would not be appreciated too much, right?

[grim jay]

1 lethal 1 non-lethal unless dtb, then its 2

if slow poison is appreciated or not depends on the leg your tank stood up with that morning

[atomic cargo]

But once I apply Instant it overwrites my deadly poison

[grim jay]

maybe you didnt talent into dtb then

which would be really bad

[grim jay]

did you apply amp? thats lethal aswell

[atomic cargo]

Ah!

[grim jay]

so you will run amp and deadly

[atomic cargo]

Okay, I see.

I was assuming Amp isn't lethal.

Saved my day, mate!

[grim jay]

everything that (directly) does damage or amps damage is lethal basically

[atomic cargo]

Got it! Thanks a lot 🙂

[grim jay]

btw just not applying one will make you lose out on damage

because of lethal dose

the missing poison itself aside

[atomic cargo]

So its just the question if my tank likes Crippling, or not.

[grim jay]

personally just rightclick and ignore

if he doesnt like it

tbh

[atomic cargo]

Yup, sounds pretty legit

[royal lantern]

i mean, SOMEBODY is passively slowing stuff anyway lol

if its not you, its 3 out of the 4 other people in a m+ run

passive slows are hardly a rare thing, almost all classes have that somewhere in their kit

[atomic cargo]

True, but a short check with the tank won't hurt, I guess.

[royal lantern]

3 out of the 5 tank specs even slow enemys themself every time they do their absolute basic AoE skills

[atomic cargo]

True haha

[spice surge]

Theres quite a big difference between a 20% slow and a 72% slow though

[atomic cargo]

I'll just ask anyways. Pretty sure 90% of the time there wont be even an answer.

[royal lantern]

the only time you cold argure it had some real impact was like

when sanguine existed with bad tanks that never moved their asses until the sanguine pools allready healed stuff up by 80% hp

[spice surge]

I mean it matters fairly often

When youre trying to group shit

Halls of atonement, arakara and floodgate all have multiple sections where slowing by 72% would suck

[atomic cargo]

In my head it matters especially if you've got a caster, or try to LOS stuff

Mob later in group means more focus damage needed thus perhaps you could loose time.

But having the option to just cancel it is great, so I don't actually see any problem.

[atomic cargo]

I might have another question. Since all guides advise you to use Kingsbane and Deathmark together, is it worth putting them in a Macro together? I'd use my Netherprism manually, since I only would like to use it in Kingsbane windows, but does that make sense?

[grim jay]

you would use prism only with DM

and every DM window has a kb anyways

at most you could do a dm kb squence macro where you need to press it 2 times

[atomic cargo]

But prism takes way longer than a minute to fully build.

[grim jay]

doesnt matter

kb alone is weak af

[atomic cargo]

I see.

[grim jay]

and you dont lose anything by not going max stacks

[atomic cargo]

So I could also include that /use 13 and be fine I guess?

Sure, I'd loose some control, but I'm not nearly on the level where that would matter too much

[royal lantern]

you cant macro them anyway

both are on the GCD

[atomic cargo]

Saw that.

[royal lantern]

and ye, what Dav said, different CDs and you want Trinkets to be used with DM, cus the Solo KB every 1min is not really strong

the 2min DM+KB windows is where the real dmg happens

[atomic cargo]

Perfect, you guys are awesome!

[normal mist]

Thank you

[sick scarab]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.

For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:

• Blizzard HUD
• Blizzard CDM

[lean plover]

im now addicted to people arguing nonsense with archimitiros on the warrior forum

its so fun

we need whispyr battling mafic in the forums for content

[old lily]

the new opener is just dm into KB and then spam envenom

since we don't do shivs no more

[marsh fjord]

thats correct

and put bleeds up before hand

ofcourse

[subtle tundra]

wtf??? shiv dead?

[marsh fjord]

SHIV DEAD

[rare forum]

Hi, is there any way to see the poisons applied to enemies' health bars?

[lean plover]

There is, but why would you?

sry if it sounded a bit condescending, its just that poisons have 100% uptime

[coral ibex]

yea, you dont really need to see that

[rare forum]

I like seeing the poisons, can you explain how to put them on please?

it gives me dopamine

[dusty crag]

id rather see spatter on the health bars

[coral ibex]

nope, i can't

sorry

[lean plover]

idk if its still true but plater is bugged and isnt blacklisting poisons so they show

but again, idk if that still the case

[rare forum]

tyy

[marsh fjord]

Dopamine with poisons on a healthbar?

[lean plover]

to each their own, its his ui

[marsh fjord]

Ofcourse

Just funny to me

[lean plover]

for me its unnecessary clutter

but i loved the kingsbane dmg tracker even if some hated it

[spark warren]

Sometimes, one person's interface makes no sense to others. Mine is what most would consider a total clusterfuck, but to me it's perfectly clear and I have all the information I need xP

[spark warren]

For the poisons, I don't think it's possible to see ONLY the poisons. I believe Platynator, or Plater, or one of those mods... has a setting to either show "only essential" debuffs, so your bleeds + DM + KB... Or to show "all" debuffs, meaning it'll show your poisons, but also 10,000 cluttering things you don't care about. :<

Could be wrong, but it's an issue someone else had

[royal lantern]

was it needed? no

did brain give me a small surge of happy happy chemicals when the KB number was bigger then ussual? YES

[proven jasper]

seeing that lil new record def got me hopped up on the dopamine

[lean plover]

yep, i loved kb tracker

[runic hinge]

last boss BRH got me juiced

[naive sable]

Maybe I'm going crazy. But is there a way with the included power widget to change the color of combo points when you get 5+? Or is this lost to the prune?

[buoyant herald]

You’re looking for Wangbar

Standalone rogue resource addon. Very cool. You can even colour each point individually

[naive sable]

The name is worth a download regardless. Thanks!

[naive sable]

I wonder who at Blizz gets to dictate what an "important buff/debuff" is for nameplates. Just allowing to filter from "everything" to "just garrote and rupture" is sad.

[balmy condor]

I mean

[buoyant herald]

They pull buffs out of a hat

[balmy condor]

that is the important stuff though

[buoyant herald]

(Kidding)

[balmy condor]

I'd argue the vast majority of players don't even need rupture on the nameplates either

[buoyant herald]

Just thank the lord you’re not a UDK

[naive sable]

I guess I just tend to look at Nameplates rather than centered WAs. Maybe I just have PTSD of letting Spatter drop pre-changes. This old dog doesn't like change.

[buoyant herald]

Nah, even base blizzard cdm tracks garrotte and rupture uptime

Any other bleeds will always match that since you’re spreading with CT

You almost don’t need it at all on nameplates

I do show it but more as a way to check which nameplates DONT have bleeds

[naive sable]

Yeah, guess I'll just show no bleeds on plates and force myself to use the cdm.

[naive sable]

Yeah, knowing if I have to CT again to fully spread.

[rare forum]

How is it possible that I'm 164 item level, with good stats and trinkets, and I'm only hitting for 18k overall on dummies in single target? Is someone at Blizzard not taking mushrooms?

With subtlety I get 30k

pls pls im mad

[buoyant herald]

There is no tuning for prepatch

It’s just that simple

[rare forum]

It's a multi-million dollar company

[buoyant herald]

Why should they tune for pre patch?

[rare forum]

cause you cant play if you dont take the broke spec

[buoyant herald]

You hwhat

[balmy condor]

what content do you need to min max for

[rare forum]

myth raid

[balmy condor]

no the fuck you don't

[proven jasper]

[balmy condor]

they nerfed myth raids by over 40%

[rare forum]

ye i got 8/8 today

but with sub rogue

[buoyant herald]

Sounds like a problem solved to me

[balmy condor]

brother we're doing sales with 4 buyers and my guild is kinda shit

you could afk and get your 8/8

you'll be aight

I assure you the 10k dps you're missing

will not impact the result

[broken chasm]

Assa rogue doesn’t have TotT, wtf?

[balmy condor]

talent into it

and then you too can have it

[buoyant herald]

Yes it does, the guide exports just don’t have it selected

[rare forum]

It impacts my enjoyment of the game; what's the point of being a DPS and putting in the effort, only to not do any DPS?

[broken chasm]

of corse fck blackjack

[balmy condor]

because there is more fun to be had playing a video game than a magical number

[minor finch]

Well you see this class has two other specs that does dps

[buoyant herald]

Bro if you can’t wait out a single month of dead nerfed content then I dunno what to tell you here

[minor finch]

Play sub then

[balmy condor]

like this patch is legit just victory lap of the expansion for fun with no real rewards

if you can't find fun with the reworked specs

and HAVE TO DO BIG DICKUS DAMAGE

[buoyant herald]

I can’t believe the original answer to you question being “don’t worry it’s not your fault” has made you madder

[minor finch]

Play outlaw

[balmy condor]

then like, frankly that's a bit of a moment to reflect on yourself and how you interact with a game

[minor finch]

But I wanna be #1

[rare forum]

always

[buoyant herald]

Then reroll devoker

[rare forum]

since bfa

bfa starter what do you expect

[proven jasper]

so then you've played pre patches before and you know nothing matters for another month

GG

[rare forum]

yeah im just mad i cant play assa

sorry guys

[buoyant herald]

You literally can

Brother if I could decide what spec I want to play and have it be #1 at any time that would be pretty cool

For me

Probably would suck for almost everyone else though

[rare forum]

on raid progres i mean

[balmy condor]

there are two wolves inside you, one of them wants to play a video game for fun, and the other is a degenerate that only cares about having a bigger number to lord over your peers

[rare forum]

my raid cant kill dimensius HC

[real pike]

He has a wife you know

[nimble tartan]

im the third secret thing

[severe meadow]

You playing any spec isn’t going to change that me thinks

I play assa for reclears and we have no issue

[rare forum]

You're right, it's only a month, sorry for bothering the chat

[thorn thorn]

Inside you there are two wolves

You are a furry

But sin do be pretty stinky with the numbers rn

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-15677826050545973054

[rare forum]

https://tenor.com/view/madara-uchiha-tobirama-senju-gif-5338872

[junior flume]

sin feeling rough atm? just getting back so I'm clueless as to the state of specs atm 😅

[thorn thorn]

It just do kinda stinky dam on prepatch

But balancing on prepatch this time is more of a clownshow than normal

[junior flume]

has there been any indications of which spec might win out going into midnight? i say might cause I know a lot of balancing is to come

[buoyant herald]

The answer is usually sub purely due to having (slightly less than before but still) flexibility in when you blast

But tuning can easily push that to another spec so it really is down to that

[junior flume]

Mh yeah that makes sense, will give sub a go for now and see what happens in balancing. Thanks chaps

[buoyant herald]

Best wisdom is always to have a decent understanding of all 3 specs

Then you either one trick if you prefer or flex if you don’t care

[balmy condor]

and it's easier than ever to flex the specs

[buoyant herald]

This is true

[junior flume]

yeah for sure, I'm used to 'em all more or less. Just rusty after a long break. Sin is probably my favorite just cause of how nicely it "flows" but played sub for the beginning of tww. Been a while since I've played outlaw though

[buoyant herald]

I’m a sub-hater from way back but I learned the 3 buttons in 7 minutes

Outlaw is definitely the most complex of the 3 but if you had to skip one rogue spec, that’s a safe bet

[junior flume]

i tend to like outlaw too for the faster playstyle but it hasn't been competitive raid wise for a while I feel due to rng vs having cd's when you need 'em

[haughty flicker]

sub has a few not very intuitive minmaxs, especially once apex is available

but that probably gets fixed anyway

[buoyant herald]

Outlaw had a really rough time in s3 but it was actually decent in raid for s1 and s2

[balmy condor]

all the specs are RNG, outlaw's problem is that it just doesn't do any burst even with cds

[junior flume]

Ah okay, I missed that ^^ Only played a little in the beginning and then sorta went on pause till now

[balmy condor]

assa was arguably more rng than outlaw for a while

[vestal wren]

can i get some more flexibility back to subtlety please

[junior flume]

oh okay? that sounds weird but then again I haven't played much this expac

[vestal wren]

legion was wild in that department

people loved assassiantion for its consistency

when like 20%+ of the output was rng from poison bomb

[balmy condor]

[junior flume]

for me outlaw is still luck of the rolls and then sin/sub for consistancy

[balmy condor]

people are very bad at judging rng

[vestal wren]

think it wasn't that

it was just

assassiantion was so simple

[balmy condor]

yeah that's just not how that works

[vestal wren]

it was hard to make mistake

so even the most pepega player could perform reasonably well with it

while dfa subtlety

[junior flume]

i fully believe ya 😄 that's just how it's felt for me ever since bfa 😄

[vestal wren]

well... is also one of the reasons people think subtlety is always super complicated

[junior flume]

what's the rng in sin atm?

[balmy condor]

seal fate combo points, coin flips, poison bomb, poison applications between amp poison and generally during kingsbane

blindside procs

[vestal wren]

you always have the natural variation of spells blizz added (after bfa iirc)

and critical strikes

[junior flume]

ah right forgot about coin flips, haven't played that

[balmy condor]

also just like, critting your kingsbane ticks

yeah the 5% baseline variance every spec has

it's basically impossible to get a spec with less than 10-12% rng

and then if you have some other procs or hero talent stuff you easily get to 15-16% rng

[junior flume]

true i think also I should have worded it differently, not used rng but more cd's or damage on demand

[vestal wren]

i would happily trade off deathstalker entirely ^^

[balmy condor]

same

rogue should just be fatebound and trickster

[royal lantern]

i will never forget that 1 time in antorus

Imonar

i got 6 or 7 PB procs in a row on all finishers on pull

and did like 60% of the raids combined dmg

[thorn thorn]

I miss KB giga crits

[thorn thorn]

[royal lantern]

welcome to legion assa

want good logs? proc PB during execute bozo

[broken chasm]

Is it true that Rogues in Retail lose Blind as an AoE CC in Midnight?

[thorn thorn]

I would simply be lucky

Im him

[balmy condor]

Yes and no

Yes they should because the patch notes said we’re losing it

But no because it’s bugged and still working

And blizzard seems to not care so far

Blackjack returns

[thorn thorn]

[junior flume]

okay so.. i'm probably either misreading or forgetting something... but do we have effects with a chance for shadow clones to spawn? I thought it was a secret technique thing and there's no chance with that one, right? 😅

[balmy condor]

Shadow clones are everywhere on sub now, but this is assa sir

[junior flume]

oh shit sorry xD forgot to swap

[real pike]

Grim

[somber sparrow]

I just want cold blooded killer to stop making sounds when it procs since there is literally no gameplay change I'm going to make knowing that my finisher does extra damage.

whispyr, can you tell blizzard to please just proc the buff without a noise lol

[balmy condor]

How do you propose I would do that

[placid snow]

Is it really that bad?

[spice surge]

If you search this discord you can find a command to disable it

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr is DS omegadead for sin rn in midnight

Are we fatebound gaming

[somber sparrow]

basically every combo generating move ends up making a blaring sound that a buff becomes active, empowering the next finisher. am i going to use a finisher earlier because it's active? no, i'm going to continue playing as normal, so it's really just an annoyance. and it happens almost every single time you use a combo point generator, so it bugs me a lot.

[somber sparrow]

your unique powers are a mystery to me but I believe in you

[quaint nimbus]

Carrier pigeon

[balmy condor]

No, it’s slightly better in aoe

[placid snow]

That's fair. Just turn your in game sound down or play some music

[thorn thorn]

sadge

[haughty flicker]

its omega dead to me

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-dog-dog-golden-retriever-evil-golden-retriever-golden-retriever-smile-gif-11824514057033619716

[severe meadow]

On god

[thorn thorn]

I need fatebound gaming

[severe meadow]

Good thing it’s pretty good

I think DS is like 2% better in aoe? But who cares, fuck mark

[thorn thorn]

Maybe I play DS for funnel

[severe meadow]

Ah yes.. a cbt enjoyer

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/been-through-war-gif-14804550298263605778

[haughty flicker]

hes not a shaman player though

[thorn thorn]

I just want my funnel so I can be like every other M+ player ever and screech about how good it is

[severe meadow]

Could’ve stopped at “m+ player”

[tall jay]

Let’s goooo

[mint urchin]

Why is the mascot beating up a player

Hardly seems fair

[worldly sail]

cool fursuit

[severe meadow]

Nice fur suit bro

[severe meadow]

@humble verge

[onyx rock]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/mute-cold-blood

[hexed frost]

Any m+ build that takes blindside?

[balmy condor]

None that are viable, no

Blindside is a purely single target talent that doesn’t provide anything in aoe

And you have to take systematic failure leading into it, which is not only also purely single target, but also dogshit

So you’re taking away 2 general/aoe talents for like 1.5 st talents

[hexed frost]

Ambush fires up my neuron cells

Flashy proc make me happy

[frank trench]

So when garotte and ruptures desync do you garotte and spread and then rupture and spread hoping for a synch again?

[left atlas]

Do we get amplfying poison in beta? or nah for m+?

[balmy condor]

yep

[left atlas]

trying to find a way to get it how much of that talent that goes 4/4 do we go?

[balmy condor]

you do this and then take 4 apex with your 4 points

[left atlas]

oh we dont go sudden demise gotcha

[balmy condor]

nah that shit is bait

[left atlas]

gotcha makes sense lol I havent played assa in so long and my guild needed a rogue for myth raid soo yeah

[balmy condor]

yeh

even with caustic giga nerf

you lose so much taking sudden demise

[left atlas]

oh okay

@balmy condor so something like this?

[balmy condor]

yeh

take the other choice node on fatebound

[left atlas]

which one theres a few choice nodes sorry lol

[balmy condor]

damage

idc what you take on the utility ones they don't matter

[left atlas]

this one?

[balmy condor]

ye

[left atlas]

okay

[sharp viper]

tf is that

[jolly stirrup]

Its an Umbral Tin Lockbox

[foggy moat]

is there no way to make a set focus and mark macro anymore?

[balmy condor]

Same way you always have

Macros are unchanged

[foggy moat]

script SetRaidTarget("target", 1) this gave me a lua error for being protected

[tropic jewel]

Because I Are Not allowed to use Script / run

/focus [@mouseover,exists][]
/tm [@mouseover,exists][]7

This is the one I use it works Like a Charm

Mousover press -> Focus -> Mark

Change Mark with the Number u provide at the /tm line

[balmy condor]

Yeah script is crazy

I’ve never see that shit in my life

/tm is the way

[midnight mist]

cause script let you not override a mark if the mob was already marked

which was very usefull in keys

tm doesnt

unless they changed it

[vestal wren]

scripts typically arn't allowed in combat

[midnight mist]

well a script to check if a mob was marked and then mark it

was allowed in combat

not anymore tho

[subtle tundra]

thank god

thats basically cheating

unfair

[midnight mist]

ye i agree

[subtle tundra]

thnk you

[surreal vale]

hey Fuu, ty for the excel and the sims 🫶 I appreciate the work

[vestal wren]

Oh,no problem

[left atlas]

anyone know the stat prio off the top of there head for like how much haste we need?

[coral ibex]

yea there is no stat prio

equip the highest simming gear

stats are fake

[left atlas]

im just on beta rn till I cna boost a toon to 80 cause fuck leveling

[calm grail]

Hey guys, what's the best rogue spec for Midnight right now (ignoring all balance changes that happen between now and the first raid)

I know it's a dumb question but I still want to know.

[royal lantern]

probs sub, idk

[pliant remnant]

Hey guys, what's the best rogue spec for The Last Titan? (I don't care that you don't know and can't know)

I know it's a dumb question but I still want to know

[royal lantern]

raid releases->sub is great cus spawning adds need to be killed fast and sub excells at that with secret tech instant nuking stuff on demand->assa is kinda undertuned->4 weeks into the tier they give sub a 3% aura nerf and assa a 5% aura buff->more people play assa for the rest of the tier->some blue names complain that assa is always the best raidspec->repeat the next tier

Outlaw sits in the corner and screams at m+ dmg overall screenshots

[latent kernel]

in AOE, once implacable hits 80%, we don't purposefully let it fall off right, you just keep spamming envenom until you run out of energy then itll proc on its own

does that sound right^

[calm grail]

This guy gets it.

[runic hinge]

so true bestie

[sharp viper]

as is tradition

[oblique sorrel]

Not sure how accurate this is

https://www.archon.gg/wow/tier-list/dps-rankings/beta-mythic-plus/10/algethar-academy/this-week

but it’s not a good look

[coral ibex]

beta tier list

[oblique sorrel]

I bet it goes live like that 😉

[royal lantern]

you are a beta

[normal mist]

Beta tier list enjoyer

[royal lantern]

[oblique sorrel]

I just wanna know what pounding I’m in for .

[normal mist]

You're playing rogue

[oblique sorrel]

I’m holding my ankles

[normal mist]

And you'll wait like everyone else for tuning

[radiant raven]

the tank spec they're gonna add in Midnight

[normal mist]

When heroic/mythic starts

[oblique sorrel]

Sin will get buffed or the energy fixed I hope

[normal mist]

Fixed?

I mean you don't even have the apex talents

[oblique sorrel]

True enough

On live

[normal mist]

It's a waiting game until 5/6 weeks probably after patch starts

[hazy sundial]

Anyone have a build ready to plan to use while leveling 80-90?

[oblique sorrel]

I only did a few levels but you pretty much get points for you apex and hero talents I think so pretty straightforward

[acoustic pilot]

am i the only one that is sad that u cant spec into sudden demise anymore in m+ ... anyone has feedback how it feels on beta?

• i feel like assa doesnt really do much dmg in prepatch, anyone else same experience or do i play it wrong

[lethal turtle]

Nice sin is last on beta tier lists. give us 15% aura buff now

[subtle tundra]

no

you get a caustic nerf

and a fatebound nerf

[severe meadow]

Buff systematic failure

Doomblade even

[static glacier]

We won’t get to take it as often since they no longer gate bleed spreading next to it + KB is always good now

[tropic jewel]

I have a Plan .. Dropping Rogue since it sucks ass 😂 AND I played it since Classic

[waxen oyster]

sub so bad it got an 8% nerf

[tropic jewel]

Wtf it wasnt Even topping

[hazy sundial]

coward

[waxen oyster]

Idk making choices based on pre release tuning is 8head.

Main choice based on how specs flow is different.

[lethal turtle]

I always pick my main on whatever spec is dogshit last 4 weeks before xpac drops

[buoyant herald]

This is the truth

Either that or pick something flying just under the radar power-wise that has a good buff

[gray raven]

We’re gonna be fine.

[lethal turtle]

Don't let them know

[spare kayak]

dev dh getting buffed, no way they will leave him under S++

[mint urchin]

Dev DH is already performing well

[spare kayak]

yeah, but its needs to be s+

new spec perks & stuff

[mint urchin]

It kinda is, if you look at current beta perf it's already likely going to be m+ meta unless major tuning occurs

[tropic jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/jacksparrow-sinking-gif-19769322

[lethal turtle]

You will see a novel of changes this week

[glass moon]

hey guys been playing a rogue for a few months now - is there any way to macro my poisons so i can just hit 1 button and not 2 all the time ? ?

[halcyon flame]

Rogue players are masochists

[clever prairie]

Atleast we just got some buffs

[shy heron]

They were to offset the caustic change I thought

[clever prairie]

Didn’t caustic just get nerfed last update?

[runic hinge]

no, its the same patch

at the bottom

[shy heron]

This is a recap of the wowhead post changes for like a month

[clever prairie]

Disregard. Got my hopes up

[shy heron]

That's one of the problems with the drip feed system wowhead has it gets people confused

[unique lark]

The posions last long enough that if posions are what you wanna macro, idk if the spec/class is for you, commrade

[runic hinge]

i think you're confused

[thick sable]

People have probably seen these changes get pushed to the beta which is why they look familiar

This is getting moved from beta to live tomorrow

[shy heron]

I use a macro to sequentially apply poisons

@runic hinge this is from 1/21 so almost a month ago

[thick sable]

Read the title

"on Midnight Beta"

[shy heron]

Many of those changes are reflected in the post that's being talked about

[thick sable]

Yeah a lot of the changes are from that post but they are going live tomorrow. Think that's just where the confusion lies for some

[shy heron]

I know. What I'm saying is that the drip feed model they do sometimes confuses people like ItsJustBad a second ago

[runic hinge]

its the combined changes from then and then the 5% more we got on beta 2 weeks ago, being pushed to live, so it is buffs

[latent kernel]

when we get a buff to melee dmg, is that just our auto attacks?

[unique lark]

has there been developments with Assassination builds since most of the guides are from two weeks ago? I assume Fatebound is still where it's at, but notice variation among top ranked Assassin builds)
(context: just got around to updating my Assassin from S3 and a lot has changed for my other toons' builds compared to guides from two weeks ago)

[balmy condor]

It’s not wowheads drip feed for what it’s worth, that’s just blizzard announcing things

They announce the tuning and they announce the patch notes

We just cover the news

[balmy condor]

No

[unique lark]

Awesome, tyvm for fielding questions and general rogue efforts, as always!

[balmy condor]

Np

[severe meadow]

Wellness check since you’re approaching 13 hours on Maplestory today

[balmy condor]

I’m in bed it’s just afking

[severe meadow]

Sleep/rest well king

[balmy condor]

No my character is in bed

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

I wish I was in bed

[severe meadow]

I do not understand funny game

Though I do want to play it

But friend said leveling kinda cringe when not during the one event

[balmy condor]

Yeh

But also more interesting idk

Like it’s cringe but I genuinely enjoy 1-140ish

With event you just skip to 200 insta

[severe meadow]

I have a character around 120ish I think

It’s been awhile

[balmy condor]

And all the little stories

I’m a fan

Idk

Maybe I’m cringe

[severe meadow]

My first character wasn’t during event and I was having fun

But he basically called me stupid and told me to not play until event

[haughty flicker]

i'd argue the gear from item burning is more important than the actual hyper burn itself

especially if you dont have boxes to send over as an established account

it was not fun doing those shitty early game bosses first starting out bc i was off event

[severe meadow]

Yeah I know the character I had during event had none problems ever

But to me it felt a bit boring?

[haughty flicker]

its a very grindy and repetitive game

its good if you like number go up

[severe meadow]

I don’t mind that as much, it just felt a bit easy

Which I understand is the point of the event

I do have a near max account on rs3 and several osrs accounts so grindy stuff doesn’t bother me much

[haughty flicker]

yeah most of the stuff pre 200 is basically considered the tutorial at this point

kinda even up to 260

[balmy condor]

The difficult stuff is bossing

You’re essentially world questing

[split grail]

Hmm...I see number go up. But is it up enough to be viable?

[uncut snow]

The pinned message says 3% dmg increase, patch notes say 13%. That is a huge buff no? Or is it a typo

[runic hinge]

It’s combined from the pin before that one

[uncut snow]

Since we didnt get the 10% buff on the live server, its a big buff for the next 3 odd weeks

[runic hinge]

Right they combined all beta tuning and it’s getting pushed tomorrow

[severe meadow]

That’s what I wanted to get into, just never made it far enough

[spice surge]

Pin is from a week ago, the notes released now are just the beta patch notes rolled over to the prepatch

[visual valley]

Assassination
All damage increased by 13%.

wasnt it less in the last post?

[spice surge]

3+10=13

[balmy condor]

eleem literally JUST explained it

Immediately before you

[visual valley]

lol

just opened dc and insta copy pasted

haha

[balmy condor]

We’re doomed

[lethal turtle]

We are on release candidates now. No more tuning. Sin doomed

[spice surge]

[balmy condor]

SO TRUE HOLY

[lethal turtle]

Thank you. Doing my part to keep morale low here. Makes your job easier

[scarlet orbit]

I played the game now for a bit and i have to say i find it really nice that in some bosses you get a helper like your cursed dispel yourself. Come in my bubble. Dodge that stuff etc.
The game is really fun for me

[runic hinge]

And me two messages before his

I want my credit

[balmy condor]

The visual clarity is giga fucked and giga good at the same time

[lime onyx]

Did the talent tree changes happen?

[haughty flicker]

no

no credit for you

[lime onyx]

If so, what 2 talents are we dropping the the bottom of rogue tree?

[uncut snow]

Thats what I am annoyed about

Currently on pre patch thistle tea is a must have. But with midnight release, there is extra energy regen so it may not be required

[balmy condor]

?????

[balmy condor]

On Tuesday you’re dropping cold blooded

[uncut snow]

On pre patch we dont have implaccable strikes for extra 100% energy regen from envenom

[lethal turtle]

On Tuesday you probably are not even logging on.

Bout to be a 14hr maint day

[balmy condor]

It’s 80%, and you’re still taking tea, as well as when you’re 90

I don’t

What are you talking about

[wooden basin]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[balmy condor]

It’s the fact that tea gives more energy than implacable itself that’s sending me tbh

[severe meadow]

He’s surely cooked up a build that doesn’t run tea

[balmy condor]

Bro thinks we’re dropping 800 energy because we got 700 energy on beta

[severe meadow]

@uncut snow let’s see it

[balmy condor]

[odd creek]

Midnight launch on 2nd of March, first raid unlocked on 17th? What are we doing in the meantime besides leveling? Is M+ also locked?

[drifting cloud]

nothing same as last 5 xpacs

unless you wanna farm hc dungeons and outdoor rares

[lethal turtle]

I would never drop Tea bc my favorite cartoon character is Iroh

[severe meadow]

You gotta close league dude

Escape

[lethal turtle]

It’s just open on PC

Do not fear its bait

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-rage-bait-baited-rage-baited-angry-dog-gif-2047466162835898859

[lethal turtle]

17 hours would be end all levels

[runic hinge]

Never any credit. He just calls my balls raisins

[severe meadow]

Who sucked you that dry?

[balmy condor]

Me

[royal lantern]

i thought for a sec that you talk about Stu there

[severe meadow]

Hey are you free this weekend by chance

[lethal turtle]

Can we do this to the dev so we can be good for a xpac

[royal lantern]

rogue was overall good in tww?

[severe meadow]

Ye rogue fucked (not outlaw)

[lethal turtle]

I didn’t enjoy having to log into my havoc or fdk to do m+ titles

[severe meadow]

Are we talking the like

3k title or

[lethal turtle]

.1

[severe meadow]

Wasn’t that already fucked for a lot of classes anyway

I don’t actually care enough about m+ to know

[royal lantern]

i mean, if you go for title, you kinda have to accept that you will be mostly FotM rolling lol

[fallow canopy]

how were the latest patch notes for assassination

[lethal turtle]

Yeah but rogue is my love idc about anyone else

[balmy condor]

The patch notes aren’t new

They’re just the combination of the previous beta notes

[fallow canopy]

oh ok

5% ish ST and 3% aoe iirc?

[spice spire]

Do not take my mans

[runic hinge]

Stu just calls the dogs for dinner time. And he tells me to “hurry up and move it” when I am feeding him lunch

[royal lantern]

[velvet snow]

so is sin dead?

[earnest remnant]

yes very

[runic hinge]

I can’t wait to wake up dead

[crisp sluice]

Are we playing sin or sub for ST in midnight 😥

[short sparrow]

What did Caustic Splatter ever do to anyone?

[marsh fjord]

Yoooo nerds

[waxen oyster]

ask in a month

[frank trench]

Outlaw broke me last season

[severe meadow]

🪑

Someone’s gotta keep the chair in the corner warm

[subtle tundra]

dont call me that

[spice spire]

Buddy I’ll dick u tf down if you suggest I’m in the cuck chair again

And I will provide 0 after care too bucko

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-tails-knuckles-freaky-gif-12830799583270855342

[spice spire]

Peasant reaction

Real ones have the emote

[severe meadow]

Crazy actually

I’ll have to get up to par

[spice spire]

I love casting spells

[vital haven]

literally every tier

[tight ginkgo]

flat is a time circle

[tranquil bough]

stupid question but is there a way to track caustic spatter on blizz nameplates?

[spice surge]

Do not believe there is a way to track it either way

Nor do you really need to

[ember needle]

im fairly new to rogue just curious best poison choices for what

[severe meadow]

Deadly always

[spice surge]

The ones you talent into

[wet river]

whats the reason assassination doesnt take sudden demise over dashing ?

[balmy condor]

not worth it numerically

[lethal turtle]

Would making scent a 1/1 even help

[balmy condor]

wdym with help

sudden demise builds are like -2% or something

it's not like they're unplayable dogshit or something

[lethal turtle]

Oh it’s not that far off. I just hate 2/2 nodes before capstones

[balmy condor]

fair

[severe meadow]

@humble verge

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/2021016399490039937

amber ♡ (@tanijrou)

SOMEONE GIVE THEM SOME MILK

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[signal karma]

is bleed just all of our damage now, this seems enormous

[balmy condor]

no

that nerf didn't even change anything

well that's not true, haste got a little better as a stat I guess

[haughty flicker]

all my homies love haste

[signal karma]

i must have a fundamental misunderstanding of the spec, i thought spatter was THE assass aoe source

[balmy condor]

I mean it's a little bit outdated but if you look at a breakdown of season 3 for example

CT alone is already beating caustic

now obviously different builds and such

but it's not like the spec dies because caustic got nerfed

especially not when the nerf comes with a 10% aura buff

on fatebound it went from 40% to 20%

that's half

so even with caustic being like 20% of your damage

the aura buff compensates that loss back, and gives you even more in single target

it's definitely a loss, don't get me wrong

but it's not world ending

honestly, just visually speaking

this breakdown looks better to me

this is a +15 academy post-nerf on beta that I randomly found

TLDR I think is yes, it looks awful reading it on a patch note

but it's a bit more nuanced and not actually that bad and ends up making the spec more well rounded at the end of the day

[haughty flicker]

envenom op

actually that embellishment op

4% wtf

[balmy condor]

all of this is also a great example of why prepatch is a fucking clown show patch

cause this is a key from last weekend

and like

yeah

if you just look at prepatch and go HOLY THEY NERFED CAUSTIC BY HOW MUCH??????????????????

then yes

looks like a bloodbath

but also kingsbane is doing fucking 2%

it's just so hard to see what you're playing on live right now, read the patch notes, and then internalize what that means

because these are completely different environments

but I guess this is just how blizzard wants to do things

live, ptr1, ptr2, beta, support 4 versions of the game for some reason

and then tune one but not the other

and then drag the tuning from beta to ptr1 which is going to be live

it's a fucking mess

[uneven plume]

damage buffs dont matter

we cant use abilities anyways

[signal karma]

Honestly reasonable

[latent kernel]

i mean doesnt the aura buff plus caustic nerf just make us more of a funnel class through envenoms which is debatably a better damage profile in keys anyways...

[balmy condor]

That entirely depends on who you ask

[latent kernel]

debatably is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence^^

lol

[balmy condor]

Cause the entire m+ community hasn’t been able to agree on what a “better damage profile” means

For like

A decade now

But yes the damage is moved towards single target

[gray raven]

Probably scales better into higher keys then.

[sonic zinc]

the better damage profile is whatever does the most damage in all scenarios 🙂

[balmy condor]

You see, people say that but then in theory that would mean it scales worse because in higher keys you have to do more combined pulls and drags things into bosses in order to save time

So this would be the opposite of that

But again, no one seems to be able to agree what a “good damage profile” means aside from just being giga op big number

There’s been plenty of boomkin and uhdk patches where they deal shit st but are considered irreplaceable for that season

There was a season in BFA with triple outlaw meta and that had no burst at all, just big cleave pulls permanently because outlaw was tuned insanely high

Whatever flavor of meta the season ends up being, your only hope is being big dick number

The actual profile itself more often than not just ends up as a justification for why they’re taken after the fact

[haughty flicker]

i like doing damage

[sonic zinc]

i think in recent history the damage profiles the meta has shifted towards is
at least 1 mass aoe and 1 funnel then ur 3rd is just filler for whatever u need for the comp / key

and then theres phys comp which is pretty much just hyper specific and not meta

shit can change with dungeon design and tuning so theres no real answer to what is the preferred profile that will forever be meta

for pugging tho its mostly just if u either are a class that does a fuck ton of damage, or if u provide some important utility (brez/lust), or if u are a class in the perceived meta for whatever reason

and are not anti-meta classes

anti-meta being specs peopel just perceive to be absolutely dogwater

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ok nerd

[sonic zinc]

yuh

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i like doing damage

[sonic zinc]

if u like doing damage so much, why are u in rog discord huh, we dont do damage 😛

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im here to talk shit

im playing priest in midnight

[sonic zinc]

??? ur just gonna not do damage again

in like a week

[haughty flicker]

in like a day

10% st nerf pog

[sonic zinc]

i may or may not be roging next season

my rog play time about to dip

[hazy helm]

There’s plenty of cases where a class is taken because of their funnel profile despite not being top overall. This might a be core misunderstanding of what damage profiles mean for m+. For example, all the copium over in subtlety channel right now is exactly that, copium. One of the reasons sub looks like our best performing spec right now is….their damage profile. Very high highs, very low lows. Due to the key level that majority of testing is done on right now, they are able to spend the majority of their time in their CDs. As the key levels increase, along with health levels, this is going to drop off extremely quickly. The opposite is true of assassinations damage profile, specifically deathstalker. While fatebound does excellent prio and acceptable aoe, it’s doesn’t truly have any funnel damage. Deathstalkers prio and funnel damage will become not only more important with key level, but stronger with the way mob health scaling works. Big mobs that need to die asap that already had a lot of hp, gain a massive amount of hp compared to the regular “trash” mobs that would be considered “pad” damage. So your whole statement is just a misunderstanding of M+ and its scaling. Assassination will perform remarkably better with each key level increase compared to the key level before it, specifically deathstalker. Is that enough to take an assassination rogue over another class? Depends on the tuning.

[bitter solar]

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[balmy condor]

deathstalker prio and funnel damage will become stronger with the way mob health scaling works

????? What

It’s like 2% of your damage right now if you even play deathstalker

And that’s not changing based on anything

If the mobs have 10 health or 10 trillion, it’s still 2% of your overall damage being funneled back in

Everything going up doesn’t change the math of how much you specifically are doing

There is a finite amount of aoe to be dealt, and that ratio remains consistent

[hazy helm]

Pull counts increasing and living longer absolutely changes that number….

[balmy condor]

But how

And how does that make any difference compared to fatebound, where your coin is hitting that same target

[hazy helm]

5% damage done to mobs funneled into marked target…… bigger pulls in higher keys…..more mobs to put 5% into the marked target

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

Thats not how that works man

You’re still limited by the same marked targets regardless of the key

[hazy helm]

Do you not know how to read?

[balmy condor]

I am very capable of reading in fact

[hazy helm]

Literally in the tool tip

[balmy condor]

brother

That’s not what I’m arguing

How does that damage fundamentally change from a +15 to a +20

If your hitting the same mobs

[hazy helm]

Okay, then what are you arguing, the fact that there’s going to larger pulls in higher keys, that are alive for longer, equals more funnel damage into the prio target

[balmy condor]

And the same big mobs are the ones that are slowing your key down

Where are you finding extra damage

[hazy helm]

Fatebounds benefit of more mobs = more damage into priority target stops at 4 extra mobs

[balmy condor]

It’s the same mobs

You’re pulling to 100% mob count, yes?

[hazy helm]

Deathstalkers is literally an infinitely scaling number

[balmy condor]

If you had infinite mobs, sure

You’re not pulling infinite mobs

You’re pulling the same amount of mobs

There is only so much count in a key

[hazy helm]

Okay, so. Key level 20 giant juicy 20 mob pull you’re saying fatebound = deathstalker in terms of prio damage

[balmy condor]

I haven’t mentioned fatebound in any of this

[bitter solar]

You are if you're doing dawn of the infinite

[balmy condor]

5% to big target if I’m doing 20 pulls of 5 or 5 pulls of 20

Is still 5%

I’m pulling 100 mobs, my pulls are slowed down by big mob

[hazy helm]

No…..it’s not lol

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