assassination

[coral ibex]

7s for rupture 5s for garrote

[weary stump]

The worst part is for the most part it's still better than all the other mmos so they have no inspiration to change

[wanton spear]

I'm actually colorblind and the filter just makes it worse in wow lol

[knotty vapor]

The colorblind filters piss me off so much, they're the lowest effort trash possible

[merry raven]

fun story. we had a colorblind tank for tindral who constantly complained about the mushroom colors but insisted he had the colorblind options turned on. many wipes later someone walked him through the settings and he discovered that the were not, in fact, turned on.

[knotty vapor]

Just hue shifting the entire fucking game instead of only the UI

Or at least including an option to only affect the UI

[wanton spear]

you want fun, try mythic saladbar being colorblind... purple on purple on purple.

[proven jasper]

Sark gotta be the worst offender, that entire arena is purple along with all his purple spell fx

[wanton spear]

i actually didn't play that particular raid, had to much going on irl to play

[proven jasper]

its p bad

[sacred oyster]

the patch notes in pin about changes, is that todays patch or midnight proper release, ie the 10% increase

or was that notes for the last week start of prepatch

[proven jasper]

Thats beta tuning, so midnight

not live

[subtle drift]

Shiv is not used as a dmg cd anymore, correct?

[haughty flicker]

unfortunately

[runic hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/166678736421388288/1233184128736690196/first_RLP.gif

[tight ginkgo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055196260329590874/1320668978732859402/big2.gif

[coral ibex]

https://imgur.com/6yTR1eW

[haughty flicker]

popcat combo points

look what they've taken from us

[tight ginkgo]

[weary stump]

Make an animation of bongo cat hitting the combo points that get used

[humble verge]

im crine over the new sub opener

its actually gonna be so boring now

[weary stump]

It got eviscerated

[spice surge]

As opposed to the assa opener

Which also lost buttons and is simpler

[weary stump]

Similarly exciting rotation truly

[nova aspen]

that graphic is missing a shadowstrike

[humble verge]

we went from this

to whatever the fuck it is now

[royal lantern]

ngl

i keep fucking it up because i dont use the 2nd garrote at the end

[weary stump]

You know what it is now? Watch stuff on second monitor while the DH still fucks up

[spice surge]

If you ignore the complicated parts sub is really easy now yeah

[weary stump]

Likewise if I ignore mechanics the mythic bosses next tier will be very easy

[mint urchin]

Selective judgement of a spec is our favorite kind

[fresh kelp]

has it been so long that we've already forgotten flag

[weary stump]

It's like how I discriminate against warlocks due to how they were in like 2010

[fresh kelp]

it's not even in the grave yet man

poor flag

[lean plover]

we havent forgotten flag

[coral ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741275386188529734/1372656620034592869/3882ade1b2e0cab5893c24ec180af244.gif

[lean plover]

im still dancing on its grave

[coral ibex]

never forget what they took from you

[spice surge]

"Sub is so intuitive now" mfers when they see me striking at 7 cp and letting my 30s hero talent capstone time out

With 4 different dance macros

[mint urchin]

NGL, ive been enjoying new sub

Granted I was also shit at CD management of old sub

I can actually play sub in keys without needing a full tank route and communication on when I can push buttons

[formal oar]

oh it seems like we lost 90% of our rotation 😄

[flat jasper]

hey, quite new to assa, is there any option that increases the visibility of our 2 bleeds or lets you remove the poison debuff from enemy nameplates? Plater doesnt seem to work

[spice surge]

Not having plater

[flat jasper]

So playtinator it is?

[balmy condor]

Anything other than plater, base ui even

[flat jasper]

Oh alr, thought plater is supported

[spice surge]

You cant filter anything manually

Plater just removes the default filter

For some reason

[subtle tundra]

hey. please dont

[royal lantern]

i mean, what IS still complicated on it/why would you make so many different macros

[subtle tundra]

if i had to guess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

different timings and procs

BUT!

sub should be a 1,2 button spec

[spice surge]

Because shadow dance duration scales with haste, you can end up with like 7.2 seconds of dance

So having a 0.2s delay inbetween pressing dance and pressing a global

Loses you a global in dance

And generally if you dont macro youll have those 0.2-0.5s delays

[royal lantern]

i thought you now explain me some esoteric "if dance is on X CD and Blades is on X CD while secret tech is up, you do this" tech

but ye, i gues making a macro with dance+sstrike/dance+evisc and dance+serect tech or something like that?

[spice surge]

Ye but you cant macro strike

It just doesnt work

[royal lantern]

get faster fingers bozo

[royal lantern]

just checked

my current dance is 7.1sec

[balmy condor]

Fucking shitter

[spice surge]

Mfer didnt reach the correct haste cap smh my head

[subtle tundra]

that seems pretty cool!

not good, or fun, or something i wanna deal with

will the sims take into account that youre a human and wont be able to press dance and a gcd ability in the same millisecond?

[earnest remnant]

just bind them next to eachother and smack em at the same time

problem solved

[subtle tundra]

just type skill issue

everything is skill issue

[wooden basin]

[spice surge]

Just get more haste so you have more leeway

[real onyx]

more general, but are the boss timelines bugged?> have them turned on but havent seen them a single time so far.

[somber sparrow]

what is everyone using for bleed debuff timers? Is there a default UI that allows me to bring in spell IDs to create custom debuff bars or anything now?

[gray raven]

just the CDM

[grand trail]

is any spec doing dmg now in raid

[spice surge]

Thats explicitly what they removed with the addon changes

[severe meadow]

More than 0 but less than a fury warrior auto attacking

https://tenor.com/view/dog-evil-smirk-crop-gif-25562144

[somber sparrow]

I don't like it one bit 😄

in my head i imagine an addon that takes the blizzard debuff, relocates it where i want it, and if the enemy has that debuff, it shows up, using blizzard's own debuff tracking system

[spice surge]

I mean since its the regular bleeds you can probably do it with an addon, but custom spell ID tracking is what they wanted to remove

If you want it separated from the rest of your cds/spells

But by default its included in the cooldown manager

Just mess around with it and/or download better cooldown manager or arcui and see what can do

Although i suspect addon developers will find more work arounds and/or make easier to navigate UIs with better defaults

[haughty flicker]

i think nugrunning does what you want and was recently updated

but ive never used those type of addons and havent checked myself

[waxen oyster]

default ui not glowing procs

kind of sucks

[humble verge]

i just had

3 wipes on NK

in a boost run

[fallow canopy]

How?

[silver wave]

Little late for this question, but I figure i'll throw it out there anyway. Is it normal when soloing a tier 8 delve for an assassin rogue's health bar to bounce like a stereo equalizer playing dubstep? Feels like it's 100% to 20% to 80% (step on a potion) back to 10% so fast i get dizzy. Am i doing something wrong here or do the mobs in t8 delves just stomp on rogues?

[shy heron]

Tricks everything to brann

[bronze marsh]

What’s your item level

Bc 8’s should be quite comfortable if you’re reasonably geared

[waxen oyster]

tricks brann is the way

only class i felt my hp move more on was enhance

[humble verge]

placing circles* too close

now we also failed p3 soaks on dim

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/get-kissed-idiot-seals-seal-seals-kissing-kissing-gif-7885839675729674459

@thorn thorn

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[slate crown]

my weakauras evaporate and are nevermore but my gif clip remains on beyond my death

🫡

[haughty flicker]

[nova kelp]

OMG such nrg dry
at least I can play highguard while I'm pooling

[vivid elm]

is this real or ai?

[thorn thorn]

[severe meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/631293844322779149/1465859020513480909/image0.gif

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/valtteri-cat-valtteri-cat-cat-valtteri-booty-gif-18965648

[silver wave]

110 after the squish

[silver wave]

I do that sometimes... but sometimes if I tricks Brann, the mob just despawns and resets.

[waxen oyster]

prob vanished

[silver wave]

I mean.. I get through 8s without TOO much of a problem. Just that the health bar is going up and down and up and down... comparing it to my demo lock that just sips tea and barely takes any damage at all.

[waxen oyster]

if you vanish and dont attack someone within a gcd of vanishing you can reset

[silver wave]

No, i'm not vanishing. It's like some kinda situation where brann has all the threat and i have zero threat (fight just started) so the game has a conniption fit and evade cheats, then despawns the mob

It did the same thing on a hunter if i misdirected to brann

(that effect is mostly only the "boss" mobs and sometimes the special elites you kill to get buffs)

[pliant remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif

[vivid elm]

did you crop out the sora watermark?

[barren yarrow]

this new tabbing situation is not fun lol.

i gotta get used to spreading bleeds better.

[marsh fjord]

Why you tabbing?

[marsh fjord]

Hit main target. And ct 2x and be done with it?

[barren yarrow]

is that really it?

oh well, caustic takes care of the rest i guess

[near coyote]

WIll there be one more midnights raid testing anyone know

[haughty flicker]

A definite maybe

[marsh fjord]

Yeah and you just envenom spam into your main target and caustic splatters.

if pack lives long enough that other set of bleeds

then you CT again

[flat jasper]

Hey, new to assa, do we use slice and dice or just ignore it?

[plush umbra]

it gets applied by using envenom, you can just ignore it

[sharp viper]

Is this real or ai

[normal mist]

Aí ai ai

[grim jay]

So old there was no AI back then

Basically prehistoric

Whispyr in his actual form

[steel ridge]

so you are saying, that isnt even his final form?

[hearty reef]

Chat is this rule?

[primal zinc]

https://prnt.sc/BoNHhI0RULem

exploit or visual bug? 🤔

[mild pulsar]

how do I avoid running out of energy on mob packs in M+, or is it inevitable? Is it getting better with apex talents?

[spice surge]

Play something other than assassination, not having energy for every global is the intended gameplay pattern

But also yes, apex gives slightly more energy

[woven ruin]

Are we just sending Envenoms or are we trying to pandemic them?

[spice surge]

Envenom does not pandemic

Just send

[warm flower]

Outside of CDs and not energy capped, must be worth waiting for 10 stacks of amp poison though right? If you’re say at 7 and autos will get you over the 10 soon?

[lime dune]

Technically if there's 2 big adds in a pack you should be cycling envenom between the 2 because you realy only need to apply it every 6 seconds, but no one ever does, you should be good just poping as soon as possible.

[woven ruin]

Thx, yeah, I should've said clipping not pandemic.

Nugrunning just got updated but is still in the incompatible category. I don't understand what blizzard's problem with it is, instead of the default countdown icons it gives it in bar form. What's the difference in "combat help"?

[royal lantern]

....huh?

you know that envenom is not a debuff right?

its a player buff lol

[placid adder]

Uff

[subtle tundra]

ts tuff

cant believe it

[lime dune]

I infact didn't, from the description of the weapon "Finishing move that drives your poisoned blades in deep, dealing instant Nature damage and increasing your poison application chance by 30%. Damage and duration increased per combo point." It seemed like that the target hit receaved a increase in damage from the poison already applied

[timid falcon]

Man sudden demise is fun to run in world content/delves. elites just implode 😂
I know we don’t run it for any other content, I’m new to assa so just trying out different talents.

[subtle tundra]

this is a first for me

[royal lantern]

yeha, its a not a debuff 😄

i know why somebody would think that, it "Makes sense"

but it has always been a Buff on the Player, its just a Global Increase on your Poison applications

[lime dune]

Bruh, ok thanks

[subtle tundra]

stop. being. reasonable. you. fuck.

[royal lantern]

wait, does sudden demise work in world content/delves now?

because it just didnt for the entire TWW runtime

[weary stump]

If sudden demise ever works in world content our leveling experience will suddenly be very slightly less terrible

[bronze plover]

hello is there any addons or option to show combo points on enemy name plates?

[timid falcon]

I was trying it out yesterday, maybe details is still bugged, but everything was dying so fast and sudden demise was always top damage.

Will we ever use that side of the tree in midnight or is it bugged?

[royal lantern]

i mean, it was used for TWW the entire time in m+

its just that the "execute" effect kinda didnt work in World Content and Delves because of HP scaling making it bug out, but seems like they fixed that?

[timid falcon]

Ah got ya. I only recently switched for warrior to rogue.

[sacred oyster]

i imagine thats not something to reliably sim, ie if it worked ingame but sim defined it as not working, couldnt test it? i also noticed SD being top dmg before in earlier builds but havent used it in M+, wouldnt that be more valuable in higher keys to burst kill everything with higher HP pools if it does work?

felt like it worked on bosses too?

[sacred oyster]

combo points are on your self, not enemies. why would you want it on the enemy plates? you can reposition your UI element for the points to be center of your screen.

can a macro cancel target IF the target is out of range/not in front, for envenom, so i dont have to freaking spam escape when dumping trash packs and the target moves on me?

[bronze plover]

becaue I played like that for almost 10 years

and i found out platynator does it

[sacred oyster]

is your goal just to make it easier to see? points arent related to enemies, so why would you duplicate that information to every enemy (you said enemy above is why im confused, i can understand if you meant to say on your own name plate though)

[bronze plover]

its not my bussiness that game haas no option to disable combo points on my portrait

I rather track it on enemy nameplates rather than my nameplate

[winged gust]

yo hows the changes to assassination in prepatch feeling?

[sacred oyster]

day 1 felt ass but i think they tweaked things and feels fine to me now, simpler rotation

[winged gust]

is it still just keep up 2 bleeds then spatter?

[sacred oyster]

thats what im doing yeah, maintain rupture and garrote, in single target 1-2 mut/ambush, envenom, repeat. but for aoe CT 1-2, envenom, repeat CT until all ads are dotted, then FOK 1-2 envenom

[winged gust]

damn so its pretty much the same then

what really changed?

[sacred oyster]

no more shiv

in the rotation

CT is freebie now and not part of talent

[winged gust]

oh whatt damn

[sacred oyster]

or wait CT is talent but moved in a lil bit easier to get

[royal lantern]

assa is almost the same spec overall tbh

they didnt really change much beyond streamlining 1-2 small things

the "Biggest" thing is that Crimson tempest is a AoE Bleed Spreader instead of a AoE Finisher

outside of that its the same as always: apply both bleeds->spam envenom, use stuff on CD

[sacred oyster]

didnt caustic also get buffed?

[royal lantern]

its applied on envenom now instead of mutilate, which is what i mean with "streamlining 1-2 small things" 😄

[sacred oyster]

and for trash pulls, is there much value in DM/KB if that target dies quick? I have Araz so I feel that does have value there at least.

[proven jasper]

probably the best change overall

[winged gust]

sick

[merry raven]

idk about buffed but its much less annoying to apply now

[severe meadow]

Caustic got nerfed recently

[sacred oyster]

does anyone know what the impact of this on simc is "Quick Fingers(id=1267210) effect #:1 is utilizing aura subtype 80, rather than 137. This is a bug, as it only modifies base attributes."

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/36k6StwmiR8vPghbCN3L5X

oh, i assume it means its not giving the 3% agility buff so dps should be higher yeah?

[balmy condor]

It’s just a warning that the ability is bugged

10 target 5 min light movement is diabolical work

[severe meadow]

I mean who else is out here testing that…

[proven jasper]

Simming for battlegrounds

[severe meadow]

The hero we don’t deserve

[winged gust]

holy god damn

nvm 10 target 5min

[weary stump]

We need people testing all of the weird combinations truly

[balmy condor]

True

[sacred oyster]

whats wrong with that/you suggest for simming dps for aoe?

[balmy condor]

Dungeonslice and basically nothing else

Simming raw aoe, especially at that insane length is not accurate for any situation

[winged gust]

yea lol youll never have a situation where 10 enemies are together and alive for 5mins

[balmy condor]

You start skewing the value of energy talents or burst talents really hard when you sim at those lengths

Makes a big mess

[sacred oyster]

hmm ok, i figured it would stil lbe good to calculate baseline impact to dps

[severe meadow]

Don’t listen to them Aikar.. make that big mess king

[balmy condor]

Baseline impact of what though

[sacred oyster]

measuring impact of gear changes

[balmy condor]

Okay but why wouldn’t you just sim something more accurate to the game to do that

[severe meadow]

Yeah you can just do that with dungeon slice which is much more realistic

[balmy condor]

Your essentially training for a 400m sprint in game

But then simming a marathon for your comparison

Yeah you’re running in both

But that’s not the same thing

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[balmy condor]

If you truly must sim pure 10 target for some reason

I’d suggest never going higher than like

Idk

1.5 min

[sacred oyster]

im not defending it lol, i was just trying to measure aoe dps and raidbots discord said to just use patchwerk with multiple targets

[severe meadow]

Just do dungeonslice

[sacred oyster]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nb8GpxJszXSKt5SkzFieEQ with dungeon slice.

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s just the baseline “here’s how you do aoe”

[severe meadow]

17k

[sacred oyster]

which does feel closer, as ive hit around 20k

[balmy condor]

[sacred oyster]

im still gearing lol, returned to wow after like not playing for 20 years. just a few weeks in.

[balmy condor]

Yeah all good

It’s confusing out there

[severe meadow]

That’s fair, I don’t even know what I pull rn

In dungeons

[balmy condor]

In general when you sim you do one of two things, dungeonslice for m+, or patchwerk 1 target 5 min for raid

Those are sorta the two comparisons we do

Dungeonslice is a 6 minute fight, starts with a boss, then has varying packs of small and large aoe, allows for restealths and chainpulls

Basically just everything you’d find in a dungeon

[sacred oyster]

when i first did dungeon slice i didnt feel like it used CT enough is why i looked for other measurements. still feels low as i run with some higher geared people for tank and sometimes do larger pulls where im using CT a lot more than sim is showing.

[balmy condor]

Yeah because it’s a 6 min fight and it’s checking multiple pulls, the pulls might be shorter or smaller than some giga pulls

There’s been significant analysis done on the impacts of that and comparisons with other targets counts and lengths

And it’s been shown to be statistically insignificant

[sacred oyster]

so i figured a 10 target patchwerk was a fair check for 'how much will this dps improve clearing a 10 mob pack'

[balmy condor]

It’s not like the most exact science for every dungeon and every pack of mobs, but it’s close enough generally

[sacred oyster]

also, wouldnt increased duration help factor in not every pull will have cooldowns?

[balmy condor]

Also big thing that it does over a patchwerk sim is allow restealthing

[sacred oyster]

hmm thats fair

[balmy condor]

Yes and no, cause you give up the imp gar on pull

And with 1.5 min patchwerk aoe you don’t even get that much more out of it cd wise

[sacred oyster]

i guess an ideal world would be a dungeon slice that biases larger pulls

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s been shown to hardly change recommendations compared to regular dungeonslice

There’s been a push for dungeonroute, which is more granular advanced sim and requires an addon and stuff to export a full route

But that has a ton of issues

And it is in fact the way that people came up with dungeonslice in the first place

[spice surge]

One of which is that it takes fucking forever to run the sim.

[balmy condor]

Dungeonslice used to basically be that, and then got cut down from a full dungeon to the 6 min slice we have now because it gave the same recommendations

And now they’re doing the same thing with dungeonroute except because it’s so many extra pulls and timers and shit, it’s like a 45 min fight

[sacred oyster]

what would you say is a fair astral antenna miss chance?

[coral ibex]

30%, more on a heavy movement fight

[balmy condor]

So in order to sim it without boiling the Atlantic, it has no variance

We love overfitting the model

[spice surge]

30% is absolutely overkill, 15% is fine

[balmy condor]

Yeah 15 is fine

[weary stump]

If ai data centers can boil the Atlantic why can't we

Let the rogue sim consume all

[sacred oyster]

wish the middle tier raidbots had the faster sims lol

i assume running it on your own pc is not as friendly as raidbots has it?

though i dont even have 32 cores anyways so wouldnt be faster

[balmy condor]

It has no UI, you’d need to run things through the CLI

Also it’s maybe 1/10th the speed

Even if you had 32 cores

Cause raidbots is running on a server farm, and that is the only thing that server rack is doing

Your pc has a ton of overhead

Even just the fact that you’re probably running windows makes it pretty inefficient

[crude helm]

just start counting manually

[sacred oyster]

well if i wanted to go hard I do have 6 dedis myself, but they are all running game servers so not too free cpu lol.

[thorn fjord]

@balmy condor Hate the game yet? lol

[weary stump]

Just do the sim by hand on a whiteboard

[balmy condor]

That would work

[balmy condor]

which game

[thorn fjord]

Our beloved WoW

[spice surge]

[balmy condor]

Why would I hate it

Midnight is good

[thorn fjord]

Oh nice ok I thought you'd be getting sick of it by now

I played Sub last night and was able to cook while also doing my rotation

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-spiderverse-into-the-spiderverse-spider-noir-spidergwen-gif-26876252

[proven jasper]

Can play sub on one hand now

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/hd-smirk-gif-7206957141966421326

Its really crazy how simple it is now

Not sure if you guys have seen this btw https://www.luxthos.com/cooldown-manager-profiles-world-of-warcraft-midnight/

its pretty good

[charred marten]

In M+ AOE is it optimal to reapply rupture regardless of duration whenever we reapply garrote in order to save energy from having to spread bleeds with CT?

I understand we’re missing an apex talent that helps with energy, but that comes from envenom and in large pulls CT can energy starve before you go into envenom spam

[balmy condor]

Depends entirely on how long the mobs are going to be alive for and how much rupture time you’re wasting

Cause like on the pull they’re synced up cause you’re double garroting

So the timers like up when you have to reapply the first time 30ish seconds later

[glad osprey]

heya, swapping from feral to rogue in s1 midnight 😭

[balmy condor]

So you’re getting at least like 55 seconds synced up

But depending on how many cp you’re rupturing with on that refresh your rupture could be syncing or not syncing to various degrees

But it’s close to pandemic, so you’re not really “wasting” uptime

So okay, if it’s in pandemic you rupture and garrote together again

Now the rupture is definitely longer and you use the sync

But at the next refresh point you’re already 1:25ish into the fight

Are the mobs really still alive

[glad osprey]

this is a dumb question (i'm returning to sin after 2 seasons), but is shiv really not used off cd anymore?

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t do anything rotationally

[glad osprey]

id assume not, it doesnt seem like it does a lot of damage and still eats energy

[charred marten]

Got it, thanks whispyr

[glad osprey]

ah yeah so i guess its just used in m+ now for the occasional disenrage

[balmy condor]

Ye it’s a utility button

Or a min-max on deathstalker that’s super cringe

But most utility

[glad osprey]

i c

i honestly didnt like deathstalker in s1 , i hope its not the main hero tree in midnight 😭

[balmy condor]

It’s worse now don’t worry

And by that I mean worse to play with

It’s still ahead in m+ :)

[coral ibex]

i miss my fatty LD envenoms

🙁

[glad osprey]

😭

thats ok because i think ill be m+ing on my feral still

LOL

[thin widget]

DS is ahead in m+ still? Nice, Im one of those weirdos who really liked DS despite all of its wonkyness. That and the coinflippy theme of fate is really just eh imo

[proven jasper]

ill miss giga nuke shiv envenom

[glad osprey]

i miss being able to use shiv at all this spec has the same problem as feral now where its only a few buttons

[proven jasper]

Every spec is that now

[glad osprey]

do we still have an aoe stop?

i was looking for it the other day and couldnt find it

other than like iron wire

[thin widget]

Well everything is a few buttons now afaik

No aoe stop

[proven jasper]

Nope

[glad osprey]

my druid still has like typhoon+vortex and roar so im wondering if rogue has the same thing

damn

[proven jasper]

Aoe blind is gone

[glad osprey]

yeaa thats what i was thinking of 😭 that sucks

i guess the only one now is like iron wire

[thin widget]

Allegedly less aoe stops eill be required but aive not tried the new dungis so idk

[glad osprey]

and even then is there a way to spread garrotes?

[proven jasper]

ct

[glad osprey]

idk on beta lowkey the casts feel the same as in retail rn

like there still is very much a need to kick things :/

[glad osprey]

ct? sorry idk the rogue terminology yet

its been a while

oh

crimson tempest

[proven jasper]

Ye

[glad osprey]

is there a way to use it "from stealth" though when using ct

[waxen oyster]

vanish

or meld

[glad osprey]

so at max you can do like 2 targets?

[waxen oyster]

probably wont even take iron wire

[glad osprey]

cuz like you used to be able to combine it with another talent

[waxen oyster]

too much a dps loss

[glad osprey]

to basically silence an entire pack

[glad osprey]

real i just hate not having an aoe stop

[waxen oyster]

idk

if its not targeting me

idrc

[sacred oyster]

its only 5s so even if it spread that perk, by time you spread it to the pack youd silence it for what 1-2s?

[proven jasper]

pretty sure ct would spread the iron wire garrotes, but dont qoute me on that

[waxen oyster]

if its target an evoker im not kicking

[proven jasper]

Spaghetti game and all

[waxen oyster]

let that bozo die

[glad osprey]

i only care because i mainly play feral and its kinda sad because i feel like that toolkit is already so much better utility speaking ,

and thats a low bar

with how much stuff they stripped

[proven jasper]

rogue has never really had anything group wise

its nothing new to us

[waxen oyster]

best utility is damage

[glad osprey]

ye but we used to have an aoe stop at least

[proven jasper]

Facts

ye but it was still shit

[waxen oyster]

it stopped literally one cast that they would immediately try to recast

easiest way to spot rogue alts in dungeons is seeing kidney actually being cast

in non pvp

[proven jasper]

just stun the guy with cheap kidney for 12 seconds and call it a day

if you care that much

[glad osprey]

i mean in s1 i didnt push that high but i did use kidney shot in like emergency situations

whatever tho i probs wont be doing keys with sin rogue? idk how its looking

[merry raven]

iirc IC used to but CT (currently?) doesn't

[waxen oyster]

kidney is rarely useful

with how many mobs are just on perma dr

[proven jasper]

yeah wasnt sure if ct did, IC definitely used to

[glad osprey]

i just wanna learn to play the 3 diff specs for mythic raid tbh

[balmy condor]

Iron wire isn’t spread with ct

[proven jasper]

Damn

[spice surge]

Iron wire is pretty much useless now

[proven jasper]

that sucks

[waxen oyster]

you can probs get away with not learning outlaw

[balmy condor]

Yeah iron wire is awful

[waxen oyster]

insanely rare they make outlaw a good prog spec

[glad osprey]

iron wire just overall used to be better a few seasons ago because youd have the multiple vanish charges and could silence them for a long while in pug groups with little coordination

so id do it in like my 12s when i didnt wanna just wipe over and over to stupid stuff

[glad osprey]

outlaw looks fun but its the lowest priority only because id need swords

[waxen oyster]

*sword

[spice surge]

Rogue can in theory keep a single mob from casting for an extremely long time, assuming nobody else stuns and fucks you DR

[glad osprey]

and i dont see myself getting mythic swords off the bat i want to prioritize dagger

yeah swrod

sword

LOL

[spice surge]

But ye aoe stop is rip

[waxen oyster]

i mean ill emergency stun if something targets me

otherwise well

not my fault other people cant kick

and die for it

[summer cape]

The only way to get edge coins is with edge case right now right?

[coral ibex]

[glad osprey]

how easy is sub?

[coral ibex]

that was the only way to get edge coins afaik

certain abilities or character states proc edge case

[glad osprey]

is it as braindead as i hear rn

[waxen oyster]

sub got neutered even harder

than sin

[coral ibex]

no apparently it is not braindead and you need multiple dance macros to play correctly

[glad osprey]

tf 😭

[waxen oyster]

because sometimes you can fit another dance global

[coral ibex]

you can lose gcd's in dance bc it scales with haste

[waxen oyster]

in the 0.1s

[proven jasper]

??

[summer cape]

Which is just deathmark right now

[proven jasper]

you dont need a single macro to play sub

[waxen oyster]

only reason you got more than that was the tierset

[coral ibex]

you dont need keybinds to play sub

you do to play it correctly tho

you can play any spec incorrectly

dropping gcds in dance is Not Correct tho

[glad osprey]

yeah i set up sin rn but i do wanna

[waxen oyster]

dance strike macro for some reason i need to hit twice

[proven jasper]

Again you dont need a single macro

But yeah sure

[waxen oyster]

for the strike to go off

[glad osprey]

play sub as well for diff bosses

[coral ibex]

ok, feel free to freehand 0.1s wiggle room for ability input

[glad osprey]

if its rlly 0.1s i see that changing im ngl

[coral ibex]

it is 0.1-0.2s

[summer cape]

rush to inevitable gives 15 energy on edge case roll, beside the 5 energy back from each coinflip, sounds pretty lame

[coral ibex]

depending on your haste

[spice surge]

You can get more haste for more leeway if you want

[proven jasper]

Its really not that serious

[spice surge]

Idk every 0.1s delay after dance is worth around 0.3% in simc

[coral ibex]

its nice that you think so

[spice surge]

Do what you wish with that information

[coral ibex]

some people care about small % losses

[waxen oyster]

tbf its really tight to do without a macro

opener dance is 12.1 right?

that should be 13 casts

[scarlet orbit]

Thats the beauty you cant macro dance and strike like dance and sec tec or backstab. God bless stance delay

[spice surge]

Idk depends on your haste, but also if haste is one of your top two stats you absolutely should be using maghar before dance

Instead of after

[waxen oyster]

oh thats why it happens?

[proven jasper]

Yeah, thats why vanishing into strike bricks ur stealth sometimes as well

if you strike too fast

[waxen oyster]

i got vers from maghar in that buff uptime

just checked

[spice surge]

Yeah but maghar is 50/50

between your top two stats

[scarlet orbit]

Yes i dont remember when it started that strike macros dont work anymore. Think it was somewhere in df

[waxen oyster]

do you just dance bs then

to avoid the delay

i did it pretty fast but i think there's a 0.2 delay between the dance and first ss there

[spice surge]

You never backstab in dance

If anything it would be storm

[proven jasper]

Ideally you just start at max cp i think

[waxen oyster]

is mashing a dance strike macro still faster then

im assuming thats the point of it

[sacred oyster]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1RsfYh3QBkAPsZAmyozAbk so every guide still says favor mastery over haste, and crit highest, but in my sims, its been crit > haste > mastery for Single and only in larger pulls does mastery pull up, but atm on dungeon slice haste is even outpacing crit?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pFzEGeHnHjA8Eb75nsziZ3

is it because guides are tailored towards 170 calculations and im not there yet and not hitting some DR of haste?

i imagine haste is getting more value now in prepatch due to the energy changes?

[proven jasper]

haste really doesnt speed up your energy regen all that much

[waxen oyster]

i swear its one of the most common misconceptions

with this class

[proven jasper]

yep

[sacred oyster]

so whats bringing haste up in my sims?

[waxen oyster]

that haste helps energy regen in a meaningful way

[proven jasper]

you have more of everything else likely

[lean plover]

directly from your stat weight sim

dont use it

[waxen oyster]

at that low of an ilvl you should be focused on agi more

[coral ibex]

you should just equip the gear set that sims highest via top gear

[proven jasper]

yeah

[sacred oyster]

im aware of that, i first linked a top gear report, i did comparisons with gems, also compared other equipment i have with other stat combinations, still reports current as highest.

[coral ibex]

there's really no reason to do anything else

if the robot says its best

its best

we trust the robot

[proven jasper]

then you’ve done what you can

[coral ibex]

increasingly large amounts of any specific secondary stat will increase the relative value of all the others

[hazy ether]

Hey guys, the assa rupture energy refund is bugged? The talent is still there but the energy refund is either very minimal or bugged

[fallow canopy]

its been nerfed

it now restores like 10% of what it used to be

[spice surge]

It was bugged before to give a lot more than it should, but the regen was also massively nerfed

The energy refund is practically irrelevant now as its barely anything

[split grail]

Are we eventually gonna take a rank of supercharger instead of cold blood? I mean the extra crit is nice but eventually shouldn't be as important right?

[spice surge]

Like venomous wounds used to give 10 energy back per tick left, now its 1 per tick

Which is obviously a lot less

[proven jasper]

1

[spice surge]

Well 3 if you only have 1 ruptured target

[split grail]

Yeah, even at max ilvl I'm feeling energy starved. Leveling is gonna suck I fear

[coral ibex]

that is the intention, assa is supposed to be a slow spec

[lucid rune]

With deathmark/vanish syncing, is there a particular order we need to use them in? Also do we open with ambush or garrote? lol

[spice surge]

Ambush does nothing

Open with garrote

[lime onyx]

Vanish -> improved garrote -> DM -> KB -> envenom -> second improved garrote is a decent thing

[royal lantern]

the devious DH that instantly presses Chaos Nova on pull every single time:

[shy heron]

Me smiling to hide the pain on azshara prog when my full cp KS on the hulk only stuns it for 3 seconds 🥲

[spice surge]

[junior axle]

So I am seeing right now that assassination is ranked as c tier, but jumps up to a tier in the beta m+ in rankings according to archon. Is there a bunch of stuff right now that assassination doesn’t have that makes them better come the next expansion? Sub has been feeling pretty good so far.

I know energy regen is the main issue for assassination, I just haven’t done serious enough content yet to tell yet.

[spice surge]

Tuning is just completely different between prepatch and beta

[spice surge]

Its not an issue, its designed to not fill every global

Theyve also done almost no attempts to balance the prepatch, and they dont really need to as its just a "for fun" time until the expac drops

[junior axle]

I agree, prepatch time doesn’t matter if things are balanced or not, it matters when m+ and new raids come out.

[oblique sorrel]

What do you guys think will be better sin or outlaw?

Outlaw rn is pretty decent

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-baby-child-girl-tired-gif-4871328261097149781

[pliant remnant]

🔮

[oblique sorrel]

XD

[runic hinge]

Play what is fun

[lucid rune]

still don't know how NE racial works... I was sold on it being another vanish

[runic hinge]

Blizz will just aura buff every two weeks to start the patch and things will be mostly balanced

If you don’t do rank 1 keys or RWF it doesn’t matter what you play

[lucid rune]

how do you actually use Shadow meld lol

[runic hinge]

Press it and pray

You also need to press stealth after

It doesn’t put you in stealth

[shy creek]

Its a rather inconsistent usage spell inside M+

[runic hinge]

It just drops combat sometimes

[shy creek]

But your best bet is to be far enough from the pack, and then hit it if you want it to put you out of combat

[lucid rune]

so I guess it would be more reliable in transition phases and what not?

[mint urchin]

You can't move with it either, honestly there isn't that much value in it other then using it to avoid boss mechanics

[still turret]

afaik it does not work on bosses

[mint urchin]

It has in the past unless something changed

[fallow canopy]

It doesn't drop combat, so you can't stealth if thats what is being asked

You can cheese mechanics and such

[mint urchin]

No but you can cheese target mechanics and stuff

[zenith tree]

Boss combat doesn't let you reenter stealth with meld

You can force a boss to retarget abilities by pressing meld in some cases

[still turret]

true, but the restealth is only on packs, right?

(sometimes)

[fallow canopy]

Afaik yes

[mint urchin]

But we don't need restealth anymore

[still turret]

yep

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t give you any combat benefits on bosses, and is inconsistent to drop combat and give you benefits on m+ pulls because there’s infinite things that will keep you in combat or pull you back into combat quickly (debuffs, random targeted things, aoe damage)

It’s hardly worth using for damage, the vast majority of use cases are to cheese a mechanic

Like some charge abilities from things will just fizzle out if you meld them

[coral ibex]

for example, the slow frontal charge on the first boss of tazavesh streets

you can meld it like you can vanish it afaik

[zenith tree]

That just makes it retarget I thought?

Cloak kills the mechanic

[balmy condor]

The first in sanguine depths has a charge too

[proven jasper]

you can cloak yep

[balmy condor]

Or the council boss charge that needs to be soaked in kings rest

Kings rest was giga meld abuse

There was like channeled beams into people on every boss

Could cheese all of it

[lucid rune]

Welp, I’ll take the movement speed 😂

[weary stump]

Blizzard wants us to cheese mechanics with racials yet they don't let us play as rats yearning for the cheese

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure it just works like old stealth used to

i.e move at all or take any ticking damage will pull you out

modern rogue stealth has a slight grace period where you can still press things after being hit that require stealth

[rare jackal]

yes

[thorn thorn]

@severe meadow My world quest is still broken

[haughty flicker]

L

[thorn thorn]

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-smile-cat-gif-5516759774782239920

[graceful bane]

Question bout iron wire + crimson tempest interaction. Does any of the stealth garrotes applied to others through CT put iron wire on them as long as that first garrote was and Iron wire garrote or will it only silence mobs within the 5 second interval from the garrote when CTing?

[balmy condor]

crimson tempest does not spread iron wire in any way

only manual iron wires

you have to garrote the target

[graceful bane]

roger ty ty

[long oak]

Hi, could someone share a Plater profile that actually works and doesn't have errors?

[balmy condor]

they cannot

because plater itself doesn't work

[long oak]

I don't like Blizzard's plater because they don't show me the poisons or the caustic spit.

[balmy condor]

....but showing those is pointless

I mean okay then go ahead and use plater, that breaks the filtering cause the addon is giga broken

but yeh idk who is using it

[long oak]

ok, ty

[prime hull]

platynator my beloved

doesnt break and always has features in front of plater

[haughty flicker]

big fan of the doofs addons

[lucid rune]

Can I envenom spam and still have self respect? Or should i monitor env buffs and pool?

[spice surge]

Full spam is optimal in prepatch, theres some stuff in midnight but theyre minor

[lucid rune]

…I missed sin rogue discord… always so helpful, albeit a bit quirky at times 😝

[severe meadow]

It's the sexual tension

[pliant remnant]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[coral ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[lucid rune]

See!?! 10/10

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/post-this-cat-when-they-least-expect-it-post-this-cat-sugar-glider-gif-5038933425073049127

[severe meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[tidal sorrel]

hey folks, trying out assass in prepatch, is it worth tab targetting to consume amp poison if current target doesnt have 10 stacks

hmm i guess no caustic spatter then

nevermind caustic triggers on initial envenom too lol

[merry raven]

crimson tempest is centered on me right? so like this works to spread at max range?

[viscid spear]

[limpid trench]

bros, new beta notes, rogue still got 0 changes, no clue if they're fixing any bugs at all.

[spice surge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/1466242372886335500/image-84.png?ex=697c081f&is=697ab69f&hm=00ec37e6dfa7ebdee2e0dc9d3879a008416ad4bfdf1ad7e4214a62ee1a55fa30&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=574&height=578

[lucid rune]

gang, they say line up vanish with deathmark... but on opening you deathmark with your opener stealth, so vanish and deathmark get desynced... halp

[spice surge]

Either delay your second deathmark for vanish or dont vanish in the opener

You already have improved garrote for deathmark anyway

[lucid rune]

That's what I mean. Would you delay your CDs for when imp garrote needs refreshing with vanish?

[mint urchin]

It doesn't get desynced because it never goes on cd

Then at 2m you use vanish > imp garrote > dm

[gray raven]

Other than number tuning I just want to see some bugs fixed for the love of god lol

[crude helm]

still cant track implacable

[balmy condor]

Depends what worth it means to you

Worth it as in it adds more than 0 damage? Yes

Worth it as in I am not a robot, should I do this with my weak and feeble human flesh? Hell no

[tidal sorrel]

lmao that's what i was thinking, thank you Whispyr

[gray raven]

I'm glad i'm not good enough to even worry about that level of optimization

[placid snow]

working hard to do mid damage feels bad. I know it's pre-patch & doesn't matter ❤️

[merry raven]

hot take but every patch should be fun to play

[haughty flicker]

no

nerd

[balmy condor]

The only patches that are fun are the ones where I can shit on everyone else on the meters

Fuck the gameplay

[thorn thorn]

Again it didnt get fixed

I blame bel this time

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

[whole sand]

I haven't managed to test, do we still have aoe blind?

[snow hamlet]

yes if you pick airborne irritant

[balmy condor]

unsure if it's a bug or not

cause it technically shouldn't be?

[snow hamlet]

The only difference from before is that you have to be "directly facing" the target to have aoe effect.

[buoyant herald]

its a bit harder to take now though with the dps additions into the class tree

airborne irritant i mean

[faint crescent]

Damn dps tuning is weird in pre patch. Feels like sub is just blowing everything up comparing to assa/outlaw 😄

[balmy condor]

every prepatch is giga fucked like this

[faint crescent]

Yup

[grim jay]

Are you really trying to tell us that you are human?

[sharp viper]

Yes

[keen spruce]

now he's gettin it

[sharp viper]

[snow hamlet]

That's just because you're missing 3 points in prepatch; you'll easily pick those talents at level 90.

[buoyant herald]

true

but i want my pocket sand nowww

[snow hamlet]

[hardy rapids]

on the beta does assa feel good to play in aoe also what about single target. Are we dooming over the dmg numbers or the new playstyle?

[balmy condor]

neither

[hardy rapids]

then what are we dooming about

[balmy condor]

we're not

[pliant remnant]

What the fuck bro

We can't not be dooming about something

[haughty flicker]

im dooming about the death of bleed build

[balmy condor]

bleed build is almost fine

it's like -3%ish with caustic nerf

[haughty flicker]

its not bleed build if it has kingsbane

its an abomination

[balmy condor]

which if you do the damage with the execute

then like meh

yeah I guess

can't drop that

[haughty flicker]

[subtle tundra]

🚬

meow

[runic hinge]

Meow

[whole sand]

Imagine not dooming with less than a month until launch

Basically required at this point

[subtle tundra]

i want to have my windpipe blocked so i just die ❤️

[runic hinge]

Sexually?

[subtle tundra]

forcefully

[manic quartz]

Anyone know addon that would highlight pandemic in the CDmanager, the bliz alerts and available colors are not good for me, for life of me i cannot notice them, they are way too small the "marching ants" thingy

[lavish portal]

How good was rog on Raid Beta Testing? Any spec‘s dominate?

[balmy condor]

they all seemed fine

[amber maple]

Im new to rogue, but i keep seeing people talk about bugs with rogue but I haven't noticed anything obviously except randomly disconnecting when landing or touching objects when dragonflying

So I guess.. what are the rogue bugs everyone keeps talking about?

[marsh fjord]

Well. if you really wanted to know what was happening last tier. there is a video whispyr made on youtube that goes over it most.

But they changed our caustic spatter which made it so and then suddenly our funnel got bugged, and it also included a tier set bug. which makes it so that sometimes our cooldowns were off cooldown faster or the reduction did not work at all.

[balmy condor]

most bugs end up being numerical inconsistencies or minor stuff

[amber maple]

Oh ok. Thank you.

[balmy condor]

like crimson tempest right now is giving combo points even if it doesn't hit anything

which is weird but like, whatever

[amber maple]

Huh. Yeah that is weird lol

[balmy condor]

fatebound tails coins when they crit give a combo point from seal fate, you might notice that one, but it's also kinda whatever

and otherwise its like random interactions that you wouldn't notice without diving a log

caustic spatter not working with singular focus on deathstalker is one that gets a lot of people really mad

which is kinda on me for putting that in the video with a big "you're losing damage"

[amber maple]

I haven't used deathstalker, personally. Apparently the other hero tree is easier to use

For new people to the class like me

[balmy condor]

cause frankly no one would've noticed

yes

deathstalker is a horrid abomination

no one likes it

[amber maple]

Oh

[balmy condor]

and we bitched all of war within about how dogass awful it is

and blizzard said thank you, we hear you, we're fixing it

and then made it arguably worse

so

[amber maple]

It has a cool name which evokes the assassin class fantasy so I wanted to try it

But all the guides said it was kind of clunky and hard to use well

[balmy condor]

it works fine and might even be cool

[amber maple]

Whereas fatebound just kinda happens

[balmy condor]

as long as you never ever decide to hit anything else

if you just decide to hit one target, and only that target, until it dies

and forget everything else exists

then it's fine

[amber maple]

So its good for single target raid bosses with no adds?

[balmy condor]

you would think so

it's the weaker hero talent in single target

and shines in aoe

[amber maple]

Lmao

Who makes this game

[balmy condor]

sub has a whole set of nonsense with it too

like the funniest one

one second

this is the capstone

basically you do whatever, finish a couple times

you get this buff

for sub it's eviscerate, their version of envenom

except right, they don't press eviscerate in aoe

they have an aoe finisher

so this doesn't do anything

[amber maple]

I have never played sub tbh.

I used to play outlaw back in Wrath when it was called combat rogue. I miss the old killing spree and adrenaline rush combo. I kinda miss simple old wow where you just macros your big CDs together and did tons of damage and that was it

[balmy condor]

the best way for them to play around it

is to ignore darkest night

reapply it from the base talent

and then just

pretend it doesn't exist

cause you can't consume stacks of the mark while darkest night is active

but it's actually just better to wait out the timer on the buff

and suffer

it's insanely jank

[amber maple]

Damn man who is even designing rogue. Its like they just use AI to copy paste with no oversight or actually playing or checking on it to see if the interactions even work

[balmy condor]

I mean it's a team

they move around

but frankly, fixing deathstalker is such a herculean task at this point

it's tied itself into knots that cannot be untangled without a complete redesign

and frankly who tf has time for that

[static glacier]

honestly idk why they couldn't have just made DN a temporary buff

[amber maple]

It feels like this always happens with assassins

[static glacier]

well, more temporary

would fix this cringe

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean the big suggestion is make it a player buff, not a target debuff

but that removes the theme

but having it as a debuff is just brutal

[amber maple]

This reminds me of the D&D assassins mark from the assassin subclass which is a really fucking cool class fantasy.. like in a book. It is almost impossible to use in actual D&D lol

[static glacier]

I have no faith they'd walk back on it

[balmy condor]

even if they'd walk back on it, I don't think it would be good design

it would just be purple fatebound

[static glacier]

it just doesn't make sense why wouldn't they just let us apply dsm while ds is active

fixes so many issues

[balmy condor]

They do

[static glacier]

hold, I was under the impression we couldn't

[balmy condor]

The issue is you can’t apply dsm while dsm is active

[amber maple]

I guess implementing a "mark for death" type mechanic in games is harder than it sounds

[static glacier]

ah I get what i got mixed up on here

regardless I swear this is arguably even harder to fix fucked marks than it used to be where you could always ambush to fix it

sure on a 2m cd but still

[balmy condor]

Currently the only way to move a mark is either the target dies or you break the mark down and get a dn

And that is literally it

Or the target becomes “untargetable”, which is something blizzard has to determine whether or not to apply that effect to

But allegedly they made better

Like forgeweaver pylons

But I have no faith that it’ll work

[static glacier]

why couldn't dsm just be some ignite dot from envenom or something, who thought "let's make it stack based, buff mutilate"

[balmy condor]

They fucked up the shadowstep location on one of the bosses in the raid too

Like they did gallywix

[static glacier]

I have absolutely ZERO faith this shit won't just bug out on repeat, I still remember the fuckeries in tazavesh with some of the mobs

[balmy condor]

Yep

[static glacier]

why can't they make a spell exclusively for applying dsm anyway

if they can make hatchet toss a spell they could do something for dsm

I guess issue would be sub wouldn't consume DN, they'd get to DN on aoe and reapply mark with this extra spell and continue bp, not really deviating from bp spam]

[plain hawk]

Suggested a while ago to change deathstalkers mark to deathstalkers "sight" or deathstalkers "gaze". Selfbuff only.

[balmy condor]

That’s what they do right now

[static glacier]

ye

[balmy condor]

Yes this is literally everyone’s suggestion and it also doesn’t work cause then you just perma don’t care about it and it’s just purple fatebound and there’s zero gameplay even a littl

[static glacier]

they can feature DN still being a point of gameplay, heck i'd support them baking more of the hero trees power into it to force it to be spend at 7

[balmy condor]

Like blizzard is never going to just remove the gameplay as a whole and say “yep, you get passive zero gameplay in purple, or passive zero gameplay in yellow”

[balmy condor]

Yeah but that’s anti-midnight

[static glacier]

wait, I've got the cook ; shiv applies dsm temporarily and DS gives shiv back

kekw

[balmy condor]

It’s getting worse

[static glacier]

litterally fucking call the hero tree w/e you like and they can even have aoe nodes - ARTERIAL PRECISION BABY

[balmy condor]

Idk like I don’t envy the dev that will have to find a way to fix this fucking mess

Cause the obvious solution of making it a player buff is frankly awful

But keeping it as a debuff is doomed

[static glacier]

Im guessing we might get one of the .1.5 reworks otherwise it's a last titan angle

[balmy condor]

You’re just fucked regardless

[static glacier]

I still don't get why it has to be a permanent thing

[balmy condor]

I don’t think anyone does

[static glacier]

most other games with assassin "mark" type abilities keep them in the role of being setup to facilitate burst then they're consumed, on a cd

riot litterally copy pasted that idea with old katarina, old akali, leblanc, zed ult etc

anyhow not actually madge, job offer came in today

[balmy condor]

Pog

So you’re fixing deathstalker?

[blazing totem]

DK got Reaper's mark as new spell, getting one new spell to apply DS Mark doesn't seem like the end of the wolrd

[subtle tundra]

fucking

delete

hero talents

🥴

shit concept shit execution

[static glacier]

Nah, I’m working security in London - if I stop talking here know I didn’t make it, faced r1 rogues irl

[lean plover]

Security in london is the most assassination rogue job ever

[blazing totem]

hero talents are great as a concept imo

like really great

problem is, some hero talents clearly recieved more time and thought than others

these underdeveloped talents that are mostly passive and uninteresting are just slop nobody needs

[static glacier]

It’s not even just that, some hero talents can force specific builds while others can be flexible and actually allow for multiple builds to simultaneously exist

The thing is I think blizz is gearing the game for consoles

Nothing else explains it as cleanly, since gl getting working WA on an Xbox

[balmy condor]

[grim jay]

It gets mentioned every now and then and I dont think its even remotely a thing

Especially pointing it out to be the case because of addon removal is kinda weird

[marsh fjord]

On the whats next for azeroth trailer there is a xbox console

[blazing totem]

they are just making the game palatable for TikTok generation

too many buttons makes the simple brain hurt

they need easy rotation because their attention span is horrid

and it makes sense, they wanna draw in new players

[grim jay]

That doesnt make it any connection to addon removal or blizz gearing towards that

[marsh fjord]

No connection, but it is funny tho

The only connection there is. that they are making a xbox with a windows functionally on top of it so it can play PC games. including wow

[grim jay]

Ye the masses cant/dont want to have many buttons or complexity anymore

[oblique bluff]

tried assa for the first time and used the rota assist, is it normal that crimson tempest is not included there?

[grim jay]

Yep and thats quite the opposite, as xbox is trying to get into the PC market

If anything

[marsh fjord]

I mean its gonna be possible to play wow on a controller on a xbox. but that was already a thing on PC

[pliant remnant]

The TikTok generation ain't gonna pay a monthly sub for some boomer game anyway

[blazing totem]

it's just necessary evolution, this is how gaming is moving forward

if WoW didn't adapt, there simlpy wouldn't be any new blood

[pliant remnant]

It's joever

[blazing totem]

in years maybe the gaming will shift again

but this is how it is

[blazing totem]

you are not drawing in boomers that arent already playing

[marsh fjord]

I think it's good that wow is trying to speak to people who are younger. because i'm pretty sure that the average age is 25-35

[blazing totem]

much bigger chance you draw in new young people

than people who never gamed / never heard of WoW

[grim jay]

Its even more interesting considering we are kinda moving away from affordable high end PCs and towards ai/game streaming, which the xbox for sure could utilize in the future aswell

[marsh fjord]

Honestly, i just want the game te be good. i dont mind if its gonna be on xbox or not

[grim jay]

Generally console players are at a disadvantage compared to pc players as far as crossplay goes

So noone on PC should care either

As long as its fun

[pliant remnant]

I'm not sure what you're even trying to say or imply here, 'cause we all know this

[balmy condor]

GOOD

[pliant remnant]

Also, I get their intention, but I don't think enshittifying the game is gonna bring any new wave of people in

[balmy condor]

FUCK EM

WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO

[pliant remnant]

There's too many other barriers to entry

[balmy condor]

PING ME IN DISCORD?

WITH WHAT

THEIR CONTROLLER?

[grim jay]

Im just waiting for the next unpruning because now people will complain that shit is too simple

[pliant remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/254170190621835264/1113105101675036732/dratnos.gif

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/xbox-xbox-series-x-xbox-one-xbox-console-happy-gif-18991063

[pliant remnant]

whoops meant to hit whispyr with that

hehe

[grim jay]

Fighting the Whispyr AI, everyone is at a disadvantage

[balmy condor]

Do not hit me with dratnos

[grim jay]

Id love pinging you with my stick

[balmy condor]

Hit me with dratyes

[pliant remnant]

[plain hawk]

Another alternativ would be to make ds mark to an short cd, that resets itself if your Target dies. Then we could at least have more control over it or never get in a situation where we lose it forever.

[grim jay]

So like now

Where we basically cant lose it forever either, without a CD

[blazing totem]

MfD is back

[grim jay]

Please no

I hated it forever

The removal was the best thing that ever happened

[balmy condor]

Mfd was cringe

[real pike]

Wait for overtuned aim assist gonna go crazy

[balmy condor]

Yeah so my setup is keyboard for raid, but for m+ with interrupts I swap to controller for the kick assist

And then pvp I play on a steering wheel for the smooth camera

[flint tusk]

Anytime they find the W letter with their on screen keyboard.
It auto completes to @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Hate that

[grim jay]

I Whispyr love that

It Whispyr make typing much easier

I Whispyr suggest that idea on the Whispyr of Whispyr forum rn

[balmy condor]

I think about you a lot davyn

I know just the spot to hide your body where no one will find it

[midnight atlas]

i just put 1 button rotation and play with a joystick

[balmy condor]

I play with a joystick every day before bed, now I gotta do it for gaming too? That’s crazy

[grim jay]

Same, I also still have our most intimate moments saved

More than 3 years ago

[balmy condor]

Wdym

It says today

[grim jay]

Dang, got me

[balmy condor]

That‘a clearly from today

[marsh fjord]

If someone would say that to me instantly married

[grim jay]

Its a dangerous game

He got a latina

[marsh fjord]

yeah you dont mess with those

[grim jay]

Loco and latina starting with L aint a coincidence

[grim jay]

That was his gf typing aswell

[marsh fjord]

My latina ex told me: if you ever look at other girls im stabbing you 💀

[grim jay]

We recently had a case of someone getting stabbed to death because he asked a girl to please not smoke at the bus stop, so I guess thats reasonable now

[keen spruce]

we are not the same

[static glacier]

Idk what else explains this level of pruning with such an aggressive stance towards so many addons, clearly this has gone beyond bossmod constraining blizzard’s design. Maybe it’s tinfoil hat but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if they make wow for Xbox

[marsh fjord]

I'm not really surprised we are getting abilities back after the last titan

and they will call it expac features btw

[hollow dirge]

i mean why fully lie then? not like anybody would mind. more players=better, I could not care less if they play console

[marsh fjord]

like covenant stuff

I rather have covenant stuff back then the pruning ngl

[hollow dirge]

besides new xbox is windows based...

[hearty reef]

Orange name whuspyr

[static glacier]

yeah, I share the same sentiments about them optimising wow for alternative mediums to pc, it could deffo be a new horizon / player base for them to draw from. My suspicion about why they would lie is one of two things; Either there's red tape / bureaucracy stopping them announcing OR they don't want the playerbase to aim their discontent with the admittedly massive changes midnight brings at xbox / microsoft - blizzard's PR team has been through hell already and likely very cautious

or it could just be a future plan too

not yet fully in motion

[hollow dirge]

red tape, possibly.
but discontent can only grow bigger if you have your director lie on several interviews about that specific thing, in very specific wording.
Like, not trying to avoid the question like they usually do, but answer it straight on with no damage control in the answer, only for it to be a lie

it's a PR disaster

[static glacier]

they could easily say they weren't working on it when he spoke

plus ain't america all about openly lying nowadays?

blizzard survived the SA stuff and the cosby suite shit

[hollow dirge]

I honestly think they went overboard with pruning to have a "start point" for the new system, see how player base reacts, how they prog, and then they may reintroduce some abilities, or introduce new ones once they feel players are comfortable

[static glacier]

tbh this reminds me of riot's MMO - they announced FAR too early

[static glacier]

yeah, for sure I'd expect borrowed power / tier sets and whatever else they tack on extra to add some texture back to the gameplay

[hollow dirge]

yeah, I'd agree with this for sure

[static glacier]

no hype anymore even, I lost faith it's releasing before Im too old

[hollow dirge]

there's no too old for an mmo, especially if they make it work well

[static glacier]

I mean more in the sense that you fall out of love with em

it's not happened yet - I've yet to not come back from breaks

but idk, playing from 17 to 32- there's only so much more time I have before gf moves in / marriage / kids and gg im a washed dad gamer

[subtle tundra]

unc

grow down

[spark compass]

so when do i use rupture vs envenom?

[hollow dirge]

i'm that for a while now, and it sucks much less than you think.

[subtle tundra]

dont listen to him

only way to enjoy yourself is 0 responsabilities and gaming

[static glacier]

tbh my current guild is 2 days and I can keep that up

[hollow dirge]

well, had that for long enough to have proper comparison, and while it was absolutely amazing, I would not go back. maybe a weekend here and there 😄

[bronze plover]

what do u mean in st or AOE situation?

[spark compass]

Just generally

is one for AOE one for ST?

or is it just keep rupture up and spam envenom inbetween?

[bronze plover]

just use ur rupture during its pandemic and envenom when you can chain it

[spark compass]

bare in mind i've never played rogue.. this is all new info to me

may need to explain like i'm 5

[bronze plover]

obviously during ur kingsbane and deatmark its not ideal to refresh ur rupture so you have to be sure to re apply dots before cooldown windows

i suggest read wowhead guide or icyveins guide first (read about pandemic and pooling)

u would get your answers

[marsh fjord]

When you dot things you press rupture and when you dont you press envenom like others already said i would recommend reading the wowhead guide there is a lot of information in there.

[wet vessel]

Want to cry what is this new assa rogue is so boring

[subtle tundra]

maybe youll be able to do mechanics now

[grim jay]

The ability pruning is a result of people complaining how hard stuff is and it happened multiple times, followed by an unpruning or things getting added through features/reworks.

The addon pruning is to remove unfair advantages through using stuff that isnt part of the game, many people complained about that aswell.