still need to find out why cp generation has slight delay for me. especially on outlaw
#assassination
marsh fjord
still need to find out why cp generation has slight delay for me. especially on ...
Do yo have the smooth CP on?
There is a setting
it updates faster but takes CPU usage
agile wedge
i have the faster updates on yes, the smooth no
but sometimes it feels like the cp calc is not right on ol. i get 5cp and half a sec later its six. but might not be sensei
later this week i will look into it, when i have time
real pike
left to right can't help either
considering it's the farthest right that tells you how many you have
right to left or all at once would give you the crucial information quicker
chilly sluice
is there any way to track KB stacks now?
fallow canopy
Not really
static glacier
It was a debuff or buff iirc, should remain so
If it’s a buff cooldown manager will track it (unless Blizz forgot to add that)
Like they forgot barkskin for guardian xd
chilly sluice
KB is tracked as a buff but the stacks aren't shown
static glacier
KB is tracked as a buff but the stacks aren't shown
You sure? Check your debuffs
I swear it inherently showed stacks on it
In blizz buff/debuffs
coral ibex
you dont need to know your kb stacks, you don't interact with them and your gameplay doesn't change
chilly sluice
cool, i want the info and was just asking if anyone knew the answer to my question
chilly sluice
i wasn't asked why i need it
gleaming geyser
cool, i want the info and was just asking if anyone knew the answer to my questi...
iirc there are two different kingsbane in the CDM; one of them tracks your stacks in the Buff Bar
chilly sluice
iirc there are two different kingsbane in the CDM; one of them tracks your stack...
yeah i noticed but even having both tracked it won't show for me
i'll play around with it
coral ibex
i wonder why people think they want to see it
chilly sluice
thanks though
coral ibex
its just visual noise
chilly sluice
its just visual noise
i wonder why some people sit in this disc just to be condescending
go get a hobby
normal mist
There's absolutely 0 reason to track kb stacks
Looking at it won't make you play differently
If anything it would lead to making the player anxious
Maybe to the point of forgetting to envenom, which is like the core buff to ramp up the kb stacks
normal mist
Sorry 🙁
coral ibex
normal mist
You can't make me mad today bro (for legal reasons this is a joke)
Daughter smiled at me the whole lunch break
coral ibex
normal mist
Cloud 9 over here
coral ibex
hell yea
tall jay
anyone make a good profile for Rogues for Playtnor or Plater?
rancid summit
^^ Same question - I'd love a way to highlight garrote and rupture on nameplates
haughty pewter
There's absolutely 0 reason to track kb stacks
I like to take a glace at it in the last second to see how high number went up, maybe more haste can get the auto's in to hit the 50 as i'm usually hitting 40/42 max
normal mist
That isn't an haste issue
That's a "I'm not auto attacking and Perma having envenom buff during kb" issue
haughty pewter
wouldn't more auto attacks potentially trigger more poison applications
oh im defnitely perma having envenom up during kb, i save tea just for kb and death mark applications
normal mist
I might be out of the loop but I'm pretty sure you maxed kb stacks relatively easy even without thinking about it
@spice surge did anything change in this regard?
spice surge
Yes you hit it insanely fast
normal mist
Thanks 🙏
normal mist
It just requires envenom buff to be up
spice surge
And in midnight it doesnt even require that
Because you press kb > get full cp > press envenom
normal mist
That's actually news to me
normal mist
That's actually so cool lol
fallow canopy
That's actually so cool lol
no u
viscid spear
What was that Plater alternative again?
viscid spear
Do we have a similar thing on that that we did with Plater?
viscid spear
Hmm, it just had an update
fallow canopy
Do we have a similar thing on that that we did with Plater?
not sure what you mean? like profiles and such?
ember dagger
viscid spear
not sure what you mean? like profiles and such?
Wait, I'm not using Deathstalker anymore, nvm.
I'm thinking of the Balance Druid setting
Also ever since getting the newest Elvui download I haven't had that "mog isn't showing on warband screen" issue
static glacier
i wasn't asked why i need it
I deffo questioned if there’s a point to tracking it; might not have been super direct but yeah
The thing is kb stacks are a result, you care more about the process, iirc there was a nifty kb WA that actually tracked shiv uptime and envenom uptime during KB and would rate your KB at the end along with giving its total damage
mint urchin
The thing is kb stacks are a result, you care more about the process, iirc there...
Pretty sure this was more just for self high fives when you got big numbers then an actual need. I used it for a bit and while fun the dmg output basically is just "did your final ticks crit" as opposed to optimized play
vestal tapir
does sin not use ambush in st with blindside? I don't see it on wowhead
mint urchin
We don't really enter stealth or run subterfuge and you would use imp garrote out of stealth so no, not really.
mint urchin
With blindside it just replaces mutilate so you just use it in place of that
normal mist
the IV guide says to use it
Use it when it procs, aka mutilate gets replaced by ambush
frank trench
The thing is kb stacks are a result, you care more about the process, iirc there...
Didn’t LE weak aura pack do this?
LE ui was the greatest thing ever
Would tell you how good your big sub window was, your crack shot windows, and kingsbane windows
normal mist
I was under the impression that was died
frank trench
It is that’s why it was there was a nifty weak aura pack that did this and not a there is
But that’s whose pack it was and it did exist also just giving props to LE
Lisonna?
runic hinge
lissona yeah
normal mist
It is that’s why it was there was a nifty weak aura pack that did this and not a...
I'll give it to ya, I glanced over it and didn't actually read
past forum
Lissona’s kb weakaura was goated for when I was learning ass
frank trench
I'll give it to ya, I glanced over it and didn't actually read
Didn’t mean that to sound condescending if it did
frank trench
Lissona’s kb weakaura was goated for when I was learning ass
It was goated for sub and outlaw too 🙂
waxen oyster
Didn’t LE weak aura pack do this?
That was when kb actually did damage
and amirdrassil it stacked way higher
frigid pilot
great class balance last tier 
humble verge
great class balance last tier <:kappa:726794197734260758>
buh acting like rogue ever had a huge population
civic trellis
we had lots of rogues back in classic, went downhill from there
frigid pilot
buh acting like rogue ever had a huge population
change our poison raidbuff to increase dps instead of reduce dps
and it will fix shit
the amount of below WR 500 guilds that don't even consider rogue raidbuff is too damn high
amber yoke
guys, you think theres a tiny chance that blizz will see that the bleed build is like, NEVER used in any content and possibly make it close to viable at least in like... m+/council fights or whatever?
big sadge to see not even a fkin 20% rupture talent is worth picking, fuckinnn hell
analog field
great class balance last tier <:kappa:726794197734260758>
huh? balance was really fine
wooden basin
rogue has been least played class for a very long time
subtle tundra
guys, you think theres a tiny chance that blizz will see that the bleed build is...
the easier it is to bleed, the less bleed build is a thing
they hate dots being your main dmg
stable apex
rogue has been least played class for a very long time
ye and its not because of balance, it usually because of fantasy and complextity/convolutness of rog
amber yoke
they hate dots being your main dmg
then why even have these talents? it doesnt make a lick of sense
buoyant field
Any one know about a addon like Clickable raid buffs for tracking the poisons?
wanton spear
because blizz just has a board they spin and throw darts at
amber yoke
and honestly, is it really any easier to bleed now? its not like it was terribly difficult with IC before right?
subtle tundra
what im talking about started before ic
you still had moments where you'd manually bleed even with ic
bfa classic when
please
past bobcat
great class balance last tier <:kappa:726794197734260758>
These are like numbers from the last 2 weeks
normal mist
Didn’t mean that to sound condescending if it did
It didn't, we good homie
granite sentinel
Elvui?
spice surge
Yes, it has never worked outside of instances
subtle drift
Oh. Makes sense.
I tried it in Midnight beta and there i'm pretty sure it worked
While doing the intro questchain
amber yoke
well do i have good news for you
willow kite
Okay, I'm mustering up the strength to actually deal with my UI situation, haven't logged on to prepatch yet... is there anything that'd resemble the LE WA pack at all? Or am I stuck cobbling something together?
amber yoke
its basically dead in midnight anyways 
subtle drift
I just want it for leveling anyway
runic hinge
bfa classic when
balmy condor
then why even have these talents? it doesnt make a lick of sense
? There needs to be alternative talents for options, just because one season might be better with shrouded suffocation than with avulsion doesn’t mean avulsion is a talent that has no reason to exist
balmy condor
and honestly, is it really any *easier* to bleed now? its not like it was terrib...
And yes, considerably
amber yoke
? There needs to be alternative talents for options, just because one season mig...
sure things can change from season to season, but idk man. Would it be so terrible to have the right side have some content to not be the clearly worse choice in?
i mean, they did a pretty good job in tww with that didnt they?
balmy condor
Not until s3
amber yoke
well, i want more s3 then
balmy condor
The right side is frankly good in m+ especially after the wrecked caustic
amber yoke
i mean im going off the guide on wowhead, idk if the recent tuning changed things massively or anything
balmy condor
The guide on wowhead is for prepatch
amber yoke
so if thats the case obv id take everything back i said
wait fr
u made a whole ass guide for prepatch?
balmy condor
Of course?
balmy condor
I mean to be fair I kinda have to
amber yoke
i mean, kudos! thank you for the dedication and effort
i just assumed it would be the actual midnight stuff
balmy condor
Even if I wanted to skip it, guide pages kinda require it
amber yoke
okay so
IS it different in midnight then?
bleed build isnt significantly worse in every scenario?
balmy condor
Theorycrafting ain’t done, but they just nerfed caustic from 35 to 15
So that kinda hurts dtb setups
amber yoke
mamma mia
balmy condor
I would assume bleed stuff is viable at least
But like usual the single target would be pretty atrocious
amber yoke
But like usual the single target would be pretty atrocious
ive made my peace with that
balmy condor
Probably won’t see many people playing it even if the numbers are kinda fine
amber yoke
dont care if many ppl play it. would i play sin then? 
ok so with spatter being wacked
is sin just kinda weak then? xD
bar future tuning, obv
balmy condor
No
amber yoke
okay, damn. caustic mustve been just disgusting before that nerf then
amber yoke
did u check pins?
well this is better news than i expected anyways
at least there's hope
static glacier
Pretty sure this was more just for self high fives when you got big numbers then...
The env stack uptime and shiv uptime and melee uptime calc from the WA let you know in real time if you’ve played it right or not (mainly useful right after the rework to confirm you’ve learned it right) but ye the pre-nerf s3 df sin KB crits were crazy
gray raven
so these crest changes are terrible - is this really going to go to live?
jolly stirrup
Happy with my performance
earnest narwhal
Hey so quick question about something in the opener
Do we really not open with ambush?
gray raven
Do we really not open with ambush?
No you want to open with garrote x2, rupture, cooldowns, CT to spread then envenom spam
earnest narwhal
Is there a setting to turn off the stealth stance bar, so I keep my abilities the same?
frank trench
Fright
Just stealth and drag all the same abilities to stealth bar
My stealth bar matches my non stealth bar
Minus three abilities like shroud and distract etc at the end
static glacier
so these crest changes are terrible - is this really going to go to live?
It doesn’t matter that much, just think of it as part of an aura buff we all receive over time
earnest narwhal
What crest changes?
broken sandal
There was a post on the right rotation for poioling, cant see it on wowhead, any info?
spice surge
It does not apply to prepatch as its tied to apex talents
So its not on the wowhead prepatch guide
broken sandal
so just send envenoms?
spice surge
Yep
broken sandal
so the class is literally, use 1/2min cds, and keep bleed and hit envenoms in ST?
spice surge
Yes
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strange python
debuff filtering on plater seems to be fucked
spice surge
You cant filter debuffs anymore
But yes plater sometimes removes the default blacklist
strange python
right, so default plates just show bleeds, which is fine
but if i use plater, i have to have everything
that's rubbish
default nameplates are so unbearably shit
impossible to tell what's targeted
only shows the mob you're targeting, not the whole pack
frank trench
so the class is literally, use 1/2min cds, and keep bleed and hit envenoms in ST...
It’s wildly easy to play right now.
spice surge
Nop
frank trench
Oddly even though it might honestly be one of if not the easiest rotation in game atm it’s very satisfying.
spice surge
You gotta keep bleeds up, so its definitely not 
frank trench
I always play dot classes in every game so I think I’m hyper used to it so for me at least it feels like it got much easier
Meele dot caster is chefs kiss
The bleed spreading of CT is massive dopamine
amber yoke
Oddly even though it might honestly be one of if not the easiest rotation in gam...
I cant think of any spec that could be considered complex, or more complex than sin rogue in midnight. Its slim pinckins.
frank trench
I guess outlaw last season just scarred me that bad
cursive copper
Guys, I'm having trouble keeping track of the timing of my target hits, is there any setting I can adjust to make it look like the WA?
spice surge
What do you mean by target hits
cursive copper
Before I used to track the time the dot was on the target through WA, but now with Blizzard's assistant it only shows the garrote cooldown time
spice surge
You can set it to show the duration of rupture and garrote
It should be by default if you enable the cooldown manager
cursive copper
Great, I had only seen about the CDs, I hadn't noticed that I can set the time the bleeding is on the target
Thanks
nova aspen
anyone know what setting the envenom bar tracker is called in elvui?
nvm aura bars, found it
balmy condor
they updated it yesterday
balmy condor
ty
fathom flax
I think with some tweaks im basically back to a 1:1 from my previous ui but with more fps
i just dont have a way to track rupture good
not important tho
really wish these would show duration
balmy condor
they do
fathom flax
(im bad at this then)
balmy condor
I mean, it's just the base functionality of the cooldown manager unless you fucked it with an addon
fathom flax
i must go deeper
buoyant herald
can you even move the default cdm
Of course, the resizing just sucks
waxen oyster
i havent messed with it much does it even track dot durations
buoyant herald
Yeah, you unintuitively need to drag the spell to the cooldown bar
Because why on earth would I want to track rupture cd right? It has no cd.
buoyant herald
I’m making a point here eleem
spice surge
Ic
waxen oyster
does it track the duration as a progress bar or ticking down icon
generally i prefer tracking dots on a seperate row from cds
never liked wa setups that would have the rupture icon change to a ticking duration when up
buoyant herald
Only as a ticking icon by default I think
You’d definitely need an addon to create separate groups then
ArcUI or BetterCooldownManager can do that
Some other UIs as well
marsh fjord
anyone know what setting the envenom bar tracker is called in elvui?
if you go into elvui and go into movers which shows everything and then right click the bar it will bring you to that setting. ( for future references)
waxen oyster
ArcUI or BetterCooldownManager can do that
yeah not sure which ome is best
the fact blizz couldnt even get this right is funny
buoyant herald
Your mileage may vary but i
Uninstalled arcui
waxen oyster
or actionbarsenhanced
buoyant herald
The options ui was pretty rough and it was buggy in use - icons and bars moving after relogging etc
Great functionality if you can push through it but I realised I wasn’t getting enough for how annoying I found it to use
waxen oyster
its just funny for blizz to make their inhouse weakauras kindof
only for it to be so bad multiple addon devs
make improvement ones to it
marsh fjord
wowhead publishes bug fixes article
checks the article
See if rogue is included
Seeing that rogue is not included
Be sad again
haughty flicker
arcui has potential but yeah its way too buggy for me atm
but once its updated and more stable i probably end up using it
unless something better comes out
marsh fjord
I dabbled in arcui this morning for a few hours. but i dont know it was quite hard to find certain options
onyx scroll
I feel like I needed a phd level class to adjust and make things work in arcui
buoyant herald
It got a bit better once I’d figured out how to drive it but
Spending over an hour setting up just one character then logging back in to find things had moved just made me crash out
snow hamlet
onyx scroll
I just realized that I need someone better than me to make a set up that I just import and then can tweak
balmy condor
Great functionality if you can push through it but I realised I wasn’t getting e...
This has been my experience with basically every single addon
Like I COULD
onyx scroll
I know all these addons will get better with their interfaces, but man
we found level 0 on some of them
balmy condor
But I don’t care enough to get an addon and set it up to fix up a fairly minor gripe
onyx scroll
There's also not a ton of intricate stuff to track anymore
buoyant herald
This has been my experience with basically every single addon
Mostly agree. I’m using default CDM right now
And outside of missing spells here and there, it’s really only cosmetic stuff that I’m missing like proper icon scaling and appearance, border etc
nova aspen
if you go into elvui and go into movers which shows everything and then right cl...
ahh ok ty
frank trench
I just want the ability to make bars that count down from top to bottom to track my bleeds
fierce mirage
Question: improved garrote and extending it- if it is up after opening rotation from stealth, is it extended with simply reapplying garrote? and if so, whats to stop improved garrote from staying up the entire time, when garrotes dot is longer than its cooldown?
haughty flicker
you only get an improved garrote if you apply it with the improved garrote buff active
if you extend an improved garrote later with a normal garrote, it just turns into a normal garrote
it doesnt extend the improved one
fierce mirage
so when people garrote twice back to back from stealth, is that optimal, or would you wait a second? wowhead rotation has its AoE as immediate
Cast Vanish if you did not get to stealth
Cast Garrote
Cast Garrote to extend the duration of Improved Garrote
frank trench
I’m not 100% sure but I would think for m+ you might carry vanish into a big pack if tank is chaining to get it spread around as much as possible I was going to start testing it out in some 13s once I get ui sorted out
I kinda wish I could still carry two vanishes
I wonder what would be a good way to test taking the extra vanish for more improved garotte in a m+ environment
Always keep one for big cooldowns and then one for big packs :0
balmy condor
so when people garrote twice back to back from stealth, is that optimal, or woul...
yes that's optimal, because you immediately start spreading afterwards and would be wasting time otherwise
spice surge
2x vanish charges is not 2x the amount of vanish casts
Its 1 or maybe 2 extra casts across the dungeon
nova kelp
2x vanish charges is not 2x the amount of vanish casts
there needs to be a visual timeline pic to link for this
this is a weird one for peeps to wrap their head around sometimes
frank trench
Yeah but doesn’t it allow you to be more flexible in maximizing when to use?
fierce mirage
yes that's optimal, because you immediately start spreading afterwards and would...
would it not be best to garrote from stealth, straight into spreading, then reapply for full duration, then spread? or does the double application immediatly increase the duration past the initial application?
spice surge
A little bit yeah, everytime you hold your deathmark you get some extra cooldown
If you hold your deathmark for 30 seconds 4 times you get an extra cast
But the thing is, you dont really want to hold deathmark
balmy condor
would it not be best to garrote from stealth, straight into spreading, then reap...
ct duplicates the longest duration dot, so if you have a 24 second garrote, and you spread, the others would also have a 24 second garrote
what you're suggesting is applying a shorter duration garrote, spreading it
then reapplying garrote to your main target, getting an extra 6 seconds
and then spreading it a second time
which..... yeah, that's kinda silly
fierce mirage
guess im still confused on the improved part then lol. if garrote is a 18 sec dot, how are we hitting 24 sec?
fierce mirage
is there a reason the ST opener wouldnt also do this then?
or is that to maximize its uptime with death/kingsbane
fierce mirage
i meant as opposed to back to abck, such as the aoe one
which is why assuming the ST is to utilize the deathmark prior to its use
balmy condor
you get a longer duration cause you waited 5 seconds until the end of the window
so you just get more time
fierce mirage
ah ok. ST wait for the longer time for sustain, aoe immedietly due to spread
balmy condor
ye
frank trench
Oh damn that’s big brain as hell I need to go look at your opener your pandemicing the one point garotte?
zenith cedar
i meant as opposed to back to abck, such as the aoe one
The mechanic is called pandemic and applies to all dots, dots will extend their duration, in other words, append the current time + the new time up to some maximum if they are already on a target.
However, the new buff will reflect the current state of your character, so in this case, if improved garrote buff falls off, and you reapply a garrote, you will get an extended, but not improved garrote
balmy condor
Oh damn that’s big brain as hell I need to go look at your opener your pandemici...
with razor wire it's worth it, yes
it usually isn't worth it
like the only time it was, was nyalotha
frank trench
Ahhhh gotcha
balmy condor
but with razor wire increasing the duration, you get more pandemic timer out of it
so it's more valuable
frank trench
That’s really neat even if not always used
zenith cedar
Do we still want to be vanishing and reapplying an extended imp garrote at the end of deathmark?
balmy condor
ah ok. ST wait for the longer time for sustain, aoe immedietly due to spread
the other neat part is doubling up like that syncs up the garrote and rupture timers, so they expire pretty much at the same time
zenith cedar
I know that was a thing at some point
balmy condor
and then you can refresh both and immediately spread it again
just as a comfortable side effect
balmy condor
Do we still want to be vanishing and reapplying an extended imp garrote at the e...
no
well
maybe
zenith cedar
in AoE i can see it being worth
balmy condor
vanish is complicated
zenith cedar
if its like, a council fight with extended duration
spice surge
like the only time it was, was nyalotha
When are they adding exsang back as a choice node with KB for my bleed build?
balmy condor
the thing is, with razor wire
your improved garrote already just lasts
through your entire deathmark
zenith cedar
Oh and theres no snapshot if you apply the garrote at the end of DM is there
that was my line of thinking
balmy condor
oh god no
zenith cedar
booooo
balmy condor
that would be cringe as shit
marsh fjord
Snapshotting 
zenith cedar
nah it would be sick me wantie 1min of deathmark imp garrote on 20 targets
spice surge
Generally things dont snapshot anymore
balmy condor
they got rid of all of that except for feral druid
but I think even feral druid got it removed in midnight right?
something like that
zenith cedar
imagine snapshotting being "core gameplay" cringe alert
spice surge
Ideally they should clarify that imp garrote does it
zenith cedar
fake rogues those feral druids
balmy condor
but yeah it's a fucking nightmare for players to optimize around and min-max
impossible to track
it's just
super fucking awful
rest in piss
we had snapshotting on the tier set in sepulcher
spice surge
Ideally the improved garrote should keep the improved garrote icon throughout the entire duration
balmy condor
and it might've been the most ugly thing imagineable
the amount of people
that just did not understand
spice surge
But no such technology im afraid
zenith cedar
I miss .. i think it was, shadowlands season 1 when people figured out the g arrote spread spam and it was giga broken
balmy condor
and there was no place in game
zenith cedar
that was good times good times
frank trench
I wish secondary poisoning was cooler I like the idea of poison applications cleaving
balmy condor
I wish secondary poisoning wasn't a 0.5% talent
zenith cedar
as someone who would have to explain how snapshotting works and write guides to do so I do not envy you Whisp. Makes sense why you'd want that shit dead and gone
frank trench
Ugggg isn’t that low that’s a bummer that node could be so much cooler
barren yarrow
is it me or does this pre patch feel aweful
balmy condor
Ugggg isn’t that low that’s a bummer that node could be so much cooler
it is arguably the worst talent on the tree, yes
zenith cedar
That talent node is kinda weird like wouldn't it have been more interesting if they chose a ST and an AOE choice instead of two AOE focused ones?
zenith cedar
Yeah right. I can see the poison cleave being useful in PvP
balmy condor
so putting a ST talent behind caustic would be kinda funny
spice surge
That talent node is kinda weird like wouldn't it have been more interesting if t...
For an even more fun choice node look in the deahtstalker tree, momentum of despair VS follow the blood
balmy condor
yeah that one is actually just a funny one
spice surge
"more ct damage" OR "more ct damage but slightly better"
frank trench
Wait what
zenith cedar
Intent to Kill is ... wow
frank trench
lol I need to read that again
zenith cedar
Putting that next to Iron Wire is just so insane its basically a dead node
aint nobody ever choosing intent to kill over IW
balmy condor
"more ct damage" OR "more ct damage but slightly better"
and now CT doesn't even do damage cause it's not a finisher so follow the blood is just infinitely worse forever
spice surge
zenith cedar
Mark my words there will be some cringe boss where Intent To Kill is giga useful and you want to be shadowstepping at mach speed infinitely
balmy condor
hasn't happened yet
the dps loss is basically never justifiable
same with iron wire
spice surge
And for sub its always momentum too, not only because crit is better now that you have crit damage, but momentum is like the only talent in deathstalker that isnt bugged
And actually works on shadow stuff
zenith cedar
I am pretty stoked about the changes overall. I haven't been this excited to play rogue in two expansions
marsh fjord
I am pretty stoked about the changes overall. I haven't been this excited to pla...
how come your stoked right now but this itteration of assa is basically the same as last tier
balmy condor
rogue is just so unpopular
balmy condor
how come your stoked right now but this itteration of assa is basically the same...
I mean it's very different in m+ tbh
lethal arrow
peepee poopoo class
zenith cedar
how come your stoked right now but this itteration of assa is basically the same...
I didn't have many issues with this iteration of assasination, it's good IMO, but Sub and Outlaw really needed alot of love.
spice surge
unbugged talent
New finality is actually unbugged too, that alongside Tww S1 tierset are the only eviscerate/BP effects theyve released that worked with shadow stuff on release
(since 10.2)
zenith cedar
As someone whos played rogue since TBC, Assasination was already probably the best designed spec of the lot and the others really got super bloated and weird
spice surge
Out of like what, 12 total?
zenith cedar
The core Assasination gameplay has not really changed since MoP, they added more of an emphasis on bleeds and stealth stuff, but other than that it's pretty much been the same.
marsh fjord
I mean it's very different in m+ tbh
Beside IC sure
balmy condor
New finality is actually unbugged too, that alongside Tww S1 tierset are the onl...
they just gotta cut all the residuals out of sub and make the clones residual
the layered residuals
is crazy
zenith cedar
I am very excited for pooling to be back because I personally feel thats always been a skill diff within Assasination.
frank trench
Im so excited for assassination this season :0 I came back to class
balmy condor
I am very excited for pooling to be back because I personally feel thats always ...
well................
zenith cedar
I actually don't know much about it Whispyr whats the 411 on pooling
spice surge
they just gotta cut all the residuals out of sub and make the clones residual
Thats what we thought they did at the start of midnight alpha, as they initially changed the shadowed finisher tooltip to just be "more damage while find weakness is up". Then they clarified that nothing was actually changing
balmy condor
I mean.... it's "back" I guess
spice surge
And we were all like oh 
balmy condor
but it's like 1%
zenith cedar
It's always been a small improvement, for the most part, no?
balmy condor
pooling was more important in amirdrassil when it was just a random optimization
marsh fjord
IC, CT, vanish value, energy changes
I did some beta on assa and for me it didnt really feel any different. bside how energy feels and reminding me that i spread bleeds with CT Now
balmy condor
than it is now when it's stated to be a core rotational idea
zenith cedar
What are the main culprits for reducing the value of pooling / managing energy around CDs/trinket ICDs, procs, etc? Which in my experience was always huge in past expansions
balmy condor
envenoms uptime being 3 bajillionity thousand percent
spice surge
Trinket ICD arent a thing anymore, and havent been for a long time
balmy condor
but yeah trinket icds
zenith cedar
Yeah I'm aware of that re: ICDs, kind of a shame i liked it
spice surge
Yerp
zenith cedar
I thnk so yeah
spice surge
Wod had all rppm trinket proc on pull always
That shit was dope
Nvm mop had some icd trinkets too
zenith cedar
yeah early MoP had them for sure
spice surge
Siege had too
zenith cedar
There is a kill video of me in MoP somewhere and you can hear me crying that my trinket didnt proc on ICD in a private vent bind xD
Are there any like must have items that would giga juice leveling speed? Dmg trinkets, etc?
balmy condor
not really
you're gonna drop everything at like 85 or 86 anyway
even if you're max myth track right now
zenith cedar
like a Beacon to the beyond type of dude
arctic pivot
What could I drop for sudden demise without trolling?
arctic pivot
Lolol
zenith cedar
its 2 talent points if ur looking at M+ build its cooked broski
arctic pivot
My UHDK friend deleting packs making my peen feel small
arctic pivot
Understood ty ill submit a ticket
balmy condor
well, the lack of tuning
prepatch tuning is like la croix flavors
you swear there's something there
zenith cedar
tough break when I imagine the priority is just like tuning stuff for RWF based on raid testing data
balmy condor
but it's acutally just water
marsh fjord
prepatch tuning is like la croix flavors
You know how many times i complained about the tier set bug. i rather have the bug back and do more damage 
balmy condor
my favorite thing is people going to class discords and they're like "I simmed myself and I can beat it by multiple thousands of dps"
and the tc's then are like
yeah dingus
it's prepatch
you think we're doing anything for that shit?
people just assume the sims simply exist and work
fallow canopy
everything rn is just 4fun content so idk why everyone is hard pressed to measure dicks
marsh fjord
only a month to go till this shit is over
balmy condor
everything rn is just 4fun content so idk why everyone is hard pressed to measur...
it's kinda just gaming in 2026
you can't log in and just have fun
have to log in and push score
and prog everything
and be better
and improve and beat people
everything is competitive ranked elo score
just how it is
zenith cedar
vidya game is the onlyy way i prove to myself I'm not a useless chud without a leaderboard what even am i
balmy condor
if I can't shit all over strangers on the internet for being inferior on a made up ranking system
then what's the fucking point of me even logging in
fallow canopy
the real question is how many hrs has everyone spent setting their UI to a somewhat pretty/functional personal standard 
zenith cedar
<:Shruge:970060040335671346> the real question is how many hrs has everyone spe...
~20 minutes
marsh fjord
<:Shruge:970060040335671346> the real question is how many hrs has everyone spe...
took me 2 hours to do all 3 specs
zenith cedar
ok y'all gonna hate this but isnt it technically optimal to spam CT to cast a SND pre combat 🙂
slate crown
if I can't shit all over strangers on the internet for being inferior on a made ...
My <tempurature take> is that 90% of people who say "Everyone has their own game to play and I personally just like being the best it's what drives me" are just huffing cope and are unhealthily obsessed and have social acceptance issues they need to work on
fallow canopy
took me 2 hours to do all 3 specs
I would have said the same but arcUI deleted like 2hrs of progress so I had to do it all again
marsh fjord
I would have said the same but arcUI deleted like 2hrs of progress so I had to d...
yes thats why it took me 2 hours of arcui
and i decided to just delete it 😄
balmy condor
ok y'all gonna hate this but isnt it technically optimal to spam CT to cast a SN...
until they fix the bug, sure
marsh fjord
..
zenith cedar
until they fix the bug, sure
oh it's a bug 🙁
fallow canopy
I deleted tried other addons, nothing removed the ugly yellow ass swipe and came crawling back again
zenith cedar
I was reading the tooltip like ... hmmm
marsh fjord
I deleted tried other addons, nothing removed the ugly yellow ass swipe and came...
Look picture
balmy condor
isn't really adding up
zenith cedar
hey 60 energy and nothing to show for it if you miss is alot
balmy condor
you can miss CT?
zenith cedar
if you try hard enough you can miss anything
balmy condor
by turning your monitor off or what
fallow canopy
Look picture
what picture?
balmy condor
range on that shit is gigantic
marsh fjord
@fallow canopy
fallow canopy
<@197687900878405632>
that's with bettercdm?
marsh fjord
Yes
zenith cedar
range on that shit is gigantic
bring back stretchy arms
marsh fjord
and unhalted unitframes and grid2
marsh fjord
mmm if Arc kills my shit again I'll give it another go
to many issues arcui
its insane 😄
marsh fjord
I did arcui for like a hour
i reloaded
and everthing went back to how it was before
balmy condor
splitscreen grok, claude, and chatgpt
zenith cedar
the first two keys i ran on the pre patch I was missing an entire action bar and it was the one with shadowstep and I kinda just assumed that they removed SS from everything except for Sub cause it was on a different bar on my sub spec LMAO
and i was so mad
balmy condor
and then paste their code back and forth
until it works
"hey grok, what do you think about this code from claude"
we live in hell
marsh fjord
"hey grok, what do you think about this code from claude"
why is it always the french
balmy condor
claude ain't even french 
zenith cedar
Hey Claude what do you think about this code from Claude sub agent # 273
stiff fern
Fwiw arc is very active in fixing things
spice surge
"hey grok, what do you think about this code from claude"
"hey grok put this LUA code in a bikini"
fallow canopy
why is it always the french
I forgave the french after E33, they now deserve the benefit of the doubt on my part
balmy condor
same thing
blame the san francisco startup losers for having to give everything a pretentious fancy sounding name
marsh fjord
Fwiw arc is very active in fixing things
Thats like saying, i made a other girl pregnant. but i'm gonna pay child support.
marsh fjord
I forgave the french after E33, they now deserve the benefit of the doubt on my ...
Yeah E33 was goated that is true
stiff fern
....what
balmy condor
you think a company they decided to call "anthropic" was going to give their AI a normal sounding name
marsh fjord
....what
My point is: after making such a shit addon, it doesnt excuse them from it. even if they are actively fixing it.
zenith cedar
Dictonary: Anthropic: (typically of environmental degradation) caused by human beings; anthropogenic.
"anthropic climate change"
thats crazy
zenith cedar
NaowhUI is a shell of itself but still decent (it's just NephUI xd)
marsh fjord
if arcUI doesn't work, just use quazii ui
i rather have you kick me in my balls
fallow canopy
was that an option? asking for a friend
balmy condor
do we have AI discord bots yet
zenith cedar
@grok put @balmy condor in a bikini
fallow canopy
what
marsh fjord
Unhalted + grid 2 + better CDM works like a charm.
severe meadow
what
balmy condor
hate that
marsh fjord
nova kelp
addon purge = have 40 addons again
marsh fjord
One thing i hate right now is that we can't remove the global cooldown swipe
on icons
I genuinely dispise seeing that
hey but atleast we have 150+ FPS now
waxen oyster
how do you even resize on edit mode
marsh fjord
how do you even resize on edit mode
I have better CDM doing it
waxen oyster
yeah not sure where the options are
marsh fjord
but there is a open in edit mode
waxen oyster
in bcdm
marsh fjord
yeah not sure where the options are
Did you enable the setting that edit mode let you click the CDM
Because when i did it, it let me make changes to the CDM in edit mode
waxen oyster
uhh i need to find that
marsh fjord
Its in advanced on the top
waxen oyster
wait which one
marsh fjord
hold on let me login for you
give me 2 minutes
killing this elite real quick in classic
marsh fjord
wait which one
waxen oyster
i have both checked
marsh fjord
waxen oyster
idk how to move things though
waxen oyster
weird mine isnt moving
marsh fjord
If you open edit mode is the CDM icons like blue? that they are assigned?
waxen oyster
or rather essential cds is being moved with the powerbar
marsh fjord
or rather essential cds is being moved with the powerbar
Are you using sensei?
waxen oyster
nope
fallow lintel
is there any way to 'cheese' energy like before prepatch with sniping dying targets for unused bleeds? is thistle tea and time the only way to regen energy?
spice surge
Nope, thats not a thing anymore
fallow lintel
ty ty
spice surge
It does
amber maple
I can't find it in the talent tree and the search comes up with nothing
spice surge
yep for some reason you cant see all of the passives you learn while leveling when at max level
amber maple
oh weird
I thought I was going insane
Also kind of bullshit Outlaw requires completely different weapons compared to assassination. Can Sub at least use daggers?
waxen oyster
ok yeah its just essential cds is glued to the powerbar
i guess you cant change that
marsh fjord
ok yeah its just essential cds is glued to the powerbar
You can
waxen oyster
Also kind of bullshit Outlaw requires completely different weapons compared to a...
you literally need a single sword
marsh fjord
download sensei
waxen oyster
what does sensei even do
amber maple
you literally need a single sword
Oh ok. Can I use swords with Assassination?
waxen oyster
no
marsh fjord
It can make you your own powerbar
waxen oyster
yeah
amber maple
ok thank you 🙂
waxen oyster
It can make you your own powerbar
I guess it overwrites the bcdm one
marsh fjord
I guess it overwrites the bcdm one
Yeah i does.
waxen oyster
tbh its just me being annoyed
marsh fjord
if you scroll up a bit
waxen oyster
by the little gap between the power bar and essential buffs
marsh fjord
you see a picture of my UI
waxen oyster
you see a picture of my UI
man i would not track my mobility cds on the same row as my dps ones
but you do you
marsh fjord
man i would not track my mobility cds on the same row as my dps ones
Dont have trouble with that
ember mural
you don't need an AI for that
waxen oyster
Was already there
does sensei let you colorcode combo points
marsh fjord
Yeah annoying
marsh fjord
Its just unitframes
waxen oyster
does it do anything if i have elv
marsh fjord
No. it's basically a replacement of elvui. but i do think it does somethings to the better CDM
Also unhalted is way more lightweight, which translates into more FPS
waxen oyster
oh thats annoying
marsh fjord
<@308691441910153230> for bdcm did i fuck up
I know in BDCM there is a spec save layout
but i found out after i did 3 specs
haughty flicker
coup
waxen oyster
@marsh fjord is there a reason my cdm keeps dropping down in terms of placement
and i have to fiddle to fix it
waxen oyster
is the ah bricked
marsh fjord
<@308691441910153230> is there a reason my cdm keeps dropping down in terms of p...
Yes. open your edit mode
and show me what layout your using
in the dropdown box
its a bug.
waxen oyster
like that?
marsh fjord
no
do /editmode
and then at the top it says layouts
show me what layout your using
waxen oyster
this ig
marsh fjord
AYou see the drop down menu at the top
Pick a different layout and see if it still happening
Keep using a different layout till it doesnt happen anymore
cosmic sandal
Man I’m loving this version of assass but our tier set next tier looks bunssssss
waxen oyster
no i just toggle spec profiles on and off and it fixes technically
marsh fjord
no i just toggle spec profiles on and off and it fixes technically
Yeah but it keeps jumping back
waxen oyster
Man I’m loving this version of assass but our tier set next tier looks bunssssss
its the same shit with less buttons
marsh fjord
for me i deleted all layouts. made a new layout and it got fixed
waxen oyster
will try to leave it on the default
marsh fjord
Also if that doesnt work. you can open edit mode. drag all your cdm bars acros your screen seperate from each other
and press save
it will snap back
cosmic sandal
its the same shit with less buttons
Exactly, it was trash with the extra shiii
waxen oyster
idk it was insanely easy last season
rotund oak
haughty flicker
ye my priest is a dragon
summer cedar
hey guys new to sin, does it make sense to macro deathmark and kingsbane together?
balmy condor
They’re both on the gcd
summer cedar
oh
balmy condor
Yah
summer cedar
maybe 😄 i was just thinking that since you always use them togehter or?
runic hinge
i got my pity mount
Who is pitying you
haughty flicker
Who is pitying you
prepatch scaling
runic hinge
Hell yeah
modest storm
!bugs
raw gull
Suffering with the new UI, anyone has a recomendation? I downloaded a few "updated" UIs but the platter is messing with me and either way i deactivate it and i see nothing or i see all poisons and debuffs i don't know how to untrack.
haughty flicker
Plater is a little broken atm, would use platynator in the meantime
marsh fjord
Suffering with the new UI, anyone has a recomendation? I downloaded a few "updat...
Im pretty sure not one nameplate addon lets you untrack btw
You can't blacklist stuff anymore
haughty flicker
Well the specific issue hes mentioning is plater not using blizzards blacklist atm so it shows literally everything
But yes we can't choose ourselves what to show
marsh fjord
Well the specific issue hes mentioning is plater not using blizzards blacklist a...
Well thats fucked
marsh fjord
I checked, my plater is fine.
it supposedly has something to do
with the new update to it
raw gull
I'll try that, got so frustrated with the UI that i downloaded NaohUI one, but still, is like if somethings where duplicated, some option in the Blizzard Settings, and others in the NUI addOn, making me not even wanting to play :(, if any of you have a whole UI, that is more and less clear, and without useless buffs in the plates of the mobs, please share. I'll buy it with gold if needed xD
or just a good config for the UI from blizzard would be good as well, I would just remove the AddOns and start trying with mostly original game UI
thin widget
Has anyone experienced a problem where buff icons tracked by CDM are shown even when the associated buff is not active? Eg my feint buff icon is always present Im using ArcUI though, maybe its an issue caused by the addon?
marsh fjord
Has anyone experienced a problem where buff icons tracked by CDM are shown even ...
This happens when you have the cooldown manager open
I would recommend putting the cooldown manager on a keybind
and pressing it on and off will fix this issue
If you do that and it's still always present. then i would recommend disabling arcui and see if the problem persist.
forest notch
Any of you beta players, how is Assassination feeling with the apex talents as well? I know a lot can still change but just curious on the general thoughts for now.
thin widget
If you do that and it's still always present. then i would recommend disabling a...
Thanks. Will try these when I get home
alpine nebula
lack of energy in keys makes for a boring experience
rupture sniping is practically worthless, double-so without sudden demise. 1 energy per tick x 16 ticks is 16 energy and the global cost me 24 and 6 CPs heh
balmy condor
to be fair, that is kind of the point right
they explicitly do not want people tabbing random shit just to snipe
hell, they don't really want people tabbing at all rotationally based on the changes they made
alpine nebula
right, for assa that seems to be the case
affliction is still tabbing to some degree
so not completely lost on them
old thistle
subtle tundra
tab is my stealth 🤨
static glacier
lack of energy in keys makes for a boring experience
Lack of energy also gives value and power to energy
Let’s not act like 11.2 fire mage pyros hitting for as little as they did alongside being fired at a rate of like 50 per minute is good, if you go too far into that direction you end up at tww outlaw
Deliberately not doing something is in itself a very profound decision in the context of energy management (ideally anyway, they overshot the tuning a bit)
foggy mirage
Even with the better energy there were moments of not doing anything
static glacier
The distinction is that the new design punishes bad chaining (or should)
foggy mirage
You wanna sit there autoing for days?
humble verge
static glacier
Even with the better energy there were moments of not doing anything
Outside of df s3 I don’t remember having to pool in BFA, SL or DF (excluding s3)
The thing is they need to add reasons to pool, then that “not doing anything” would have meaning
If it doesn’t matter if you pool or not then waiting for energy won’t feel good
foggy mirage
I played df s3 and tww 1-3 thats the only seasons ive played so idk about these other ones
static glacier
Well df s3 the tierset massively forced pooling and chaining
foggy mirage
Maybe I havnt seen enough
static glacier
Other than that we didn’t really have major reasons to pool outside of like fight add timings to line up energy usage on aoe
Example would be mugzee adds and cage cleave
I looked for that and as a result got v good logs from the first kill (r5 or something)
But generally it’s not mattered
Which is an issue since if energy management is meaningless (provides no tangible benefits or punishment) then you’ve removed all meaning associated with energy and spending/not spending is no longer a meaningful decision
Only kinda case (and idk if this even mattered) was playing for maximum mark uptime by pooling when at 1 stack of dsm
But idk if that was proven to even be a gain, it just felt better to me
To know id have energy to immediately build for and spend DN
foggy mirage
Do you like the changes they have made?
hearty reef
Which is an issue since if energy management is meaningless (provides no tangibl...
My 2 cents, the idea behind the last few words of this msg have no place in modern wow, esp in what midnight is looking like to be
Also pressing less buttons to make them more meaningful is such a trap design that struggled on other specs to find a stable place in the game
static glacier
My 2 cents, the idea behind the last few words of this msg have no place in mode...
before I make my point: did you have experience with / or knowledge of pre-legion rework demo (specifically MoP-WoD)?
if so tell me what you thought of the resource on that spec, if not it's np - just let me know which it is and I can respond appropriately
hearty reef
Demo lock pre legion ? Nah no way
neat plank
hell, they don't really want people tabbing at all rotationally based on the cha...
what do you think is Blizzard's expectation for interrupting? like if you're dpsing a fat prio mob in m+ and you have to kick a caster, do they expect you to have mouseover focus macros for them? seems too advanced in light of all the other changes they've made, no simplification here
balmy condor
I mean the combat-aware tabbing or whatever they call it has existed for a while now and works great for most situations especially with less bolt slop
but yeah for high end you'd probably just focus macro the same as before
warm vortex
I just use mouseover personally
neat plank
complexity is da poo
static glacier
Demo lock pre legion ? Nah no way
Alright, in that case picture situations where you have many charges of a cooldown or I’d say we had a cap of 40 combo points that we could store (we still can only spend 7 at a time) do you see the gameplay implications of having that much control over when you deal your damage and its effects on your decision making and skill expression? Now replace the excess resource of combo points and instead use energy as that resource while powering up the individual button presses compared to say something like fury or outlaw that are gcd capped or close to it.
Sry about the wall
static glacier
Kinda hope that simplification train they are riding is only a phase
they have to add complexity, difficulty, people won't play for years if the game is two buttons forever
wise bloom
then maybe a sequence?
Lazy Assa off-speccers, together strong 🦍
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/castsequence reset=90 Deathmark, Kingsbane, Kingsbane
forest notch
obviouly stealth should be F
static glacier
stealth is 2
blazing totem
Tab used to be recuperate for me... oh how I miss you
wise bloom
then maybe a sequence?
B-B-B-Bonus Macro
#showtooltip garrote
/use [nobonusbar:1] Vanish
/use garrote
fossil loom
why do we not care about envenoming as late as possible to maximize the buff uptime?
spice surge
Because youll have the buff up almost all the time anyway
fossil loom
okie ty
neon sedge
am i crazy or is assassination under performing compared to sub right now. I am mostly messing around on a target dummy, but sub seems to be doing way more damage. All my gear is tailored toward assassination too.
nova aspen
prepatch is not balanced at all
they balanced around apex talents, which no one has yet
neon sedge
is sub performing the best out of the 3
nova aspen
in raid? yes because all fights are like a minute long
in keys? not sure
u can also check every boss on WCL
(plexus)
neon sedge
ahh they have a prepatch drop down now. Yeah that helps
nova aspen
yea
frank trench
what do you think is Blizzard's expectation for interrupting? like if you're dps...
I have made it through 15s using combat targeting. it takes a bit getting used to but is amazing once you do. There is a very very long complicated macro for it though
I’m guessing it will be even better now with less casting
It involves no tab targetting and kicks the mob that’s casting that you turn to
neat plank
that sounds useful 🙂
cyan trellis
it seems like crimson tempest is overriding my improved garrote on primary target if I'm out of the stealth window...are we supposed to only CT in stealth window in m+ or not really a big deal
I don't see how if I tempest spam it would overwrite the improved garrote with a normal garrote because i thought it copies the longest bleed and if im only casting improved garrote twice during stealth then tempest then shouldn't that be my longest bleed
royal lantern
Kinda hope that simplification train they are riding is only a phase
ofc it is lol
its a ongoing game, they will add new stuff
and reminder that everything in WoW is on a Timer anyway, we where literally told that the current talent trees will only exists for so long when they showcased them for the first time 
sacred oyster
Lazy Assa off-speccers, together strong 🦍
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/castsequence...
does cast sequence work for 3 things to throw araz trinket in there too?
blazing totem
Kinda hope that simplification train they are riding is only a phase
don't worry, they will kick the current dev team by the time we get Last Titan, the next one will have different direction again
sacred oyster
Well the specific issue hes mentioning is plater not using blizzards blacklist a...
i saw in elvui discord that the addon api is more limited than what the vanilla nameplates can do but its suppose to be fixed in this patch today
sacred oyster
interesting, maybe they figured something out elvui didnt
runic hinge
I don't see how if I tempest spam it would overwrite the improved garrote with a...
Can you log this
sacred oyster
question 1: for large mythic pulls, which appears to be the bigger dps dump, the spreading of poisons with crimson tempest, or envenom? my question is on the large say 10+ pulls, is it more effective to hit crimson tempest 3-4 times before dumping envenom to maximize dot spread, or always do a 1-2 CT, envenom anytime at 5+ points. I'm not sure how to use the advanced APL stuff of simc to do that testing
it feels dirty to spam a point generator at max points but getting the dots on while the timer is high on them seems ideal
sacred oyster
yes i get that, im questioning though is the aoe dps from envenom worth the sacrifice in time in spreading the DOT's to the other ads that dont have a DOT on them yet
wooden basin
Think most people just press CT 1-2 times get it on like 5-6 targets and let caustic do the bulk of the damage
sacred oyster
yeah i get the 'what most people are doing', i was hoping someones actually confirmed it in raw numbers and sim
wooden basin
Although they did jus nerf caustic so I’m unsure if that changed
sacred oyster
in todays patch?
atm I am dumping envenom anytime i'm 5+ points and doing well on DPS, but been a mental question of if should focus on CT even when at max points quickly in the pull to get the dot spread to every mob then envenom dump. so i guess to clarify im talking about those first 4~ seconds of the pull
analog field
The rotation is spam CT and envenom
So you open 2 gar rup ct env ct env ct env
until all mobs have dots
sacred oyster
whats the point of 2 garrotes? just cheaper energy cost point gen?
spice surge
To get a longer garrote
analog field
also duration
sacred oyster
doesnt it just refresh the first ones?
spice surge
!pandemic
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
sacred oyster
is that a higher tier key thing?
I just returned to wow after like 20 years so just catching up and just got to around 5~ now
analog field
i mean it is how it should be played
you increase the duration to like 30 sec of th garrote and then start spamming ct and env
cyan trellis
yall are not having the issue of improved garrote being overwritten by normal garrote?
analog field
yall are not having the issue of improved garrote being overwritten by normal ga...
haven't played much
sacred oyster
im asking what is this pandemic thing linked thats extending the duration, was that some talent i just didnt remember ?
analog field
it is for all dots (mostly all dots)
subtle tundra
I just returned to wow after like 20 years so just catching up and just got to a...
if mobs die in 15 seconds you don't really have the time to actually dps
analog field
if you refresh a rupture let's say with 6 sec remaining it adds up to the casted rupture
subtle tundra
assa has always been a spec that sucks when things die fast
analog field
so instead of a rupture with 24 sec it goes to 30
indigo sphinx
!pandemic
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
haughty flicker
im asking what is this pandemic thing linked thats extending the duration, was ...
Its just how dots work in this game, its named after a spell that used to exist but there's nothing actually explaining that it exists in game anymore afaik
spice surge
The idea is that you can refresh your dots when they are almost running out
sacred oyster
Its just how dots work in this game, its named after a spell that used to exist ...
so thats just default behavior for how wow treats casting a debuff thats already applied?
spice surge
Instead of being forced to refresh them the millisecond they run out
slate crown
yes
sacred oyster
ok, and how the hell was someone suppose to learn that w/o being told lol
slate crown
you don't
slate crown
it's called pandemic because that's the original talent that introduced the mechanic ages ago
haughty flicker
blizzard
sacred oyster
man wow is fun but man the UX flow is so sloppy for stuff like this
wooden basin
thorn fjord
nova aspen
plush umbra
ok, and how the hell was someone suppose to learn that w/o being told lol
did you really not think about looking through the patch notes for the Warlords of Draenor prepatch from over a decade ago where pandemic became how dots work in general instead of just a warlock perk? smh
sacred oyster
lol, reading the start of that in the notification i was like no way this person is saying that, until read the full msg
plush umbra
yeah I was trying to be as sarcastic as possible
it's very silly that pretty important information is just unavailable in the game itself
spice surge
Also if the cooldown text is green it scales with haste
Thats also not explained anywhere
plush umbra
reading the explanation in the bot, I think it's also slightly wrong?
it says it takes 30% of the duration of the original dot and adds it to the newly applied one
but I'm fairly sure you can extend a dot to up to 130% of the newly applied dot, and the initial duration of the original dot is irrelevant
glossy ocean
latent kernel
You can, that’s why in the assassination opener, you typically garrote once and then garrote again at the end of the improved garrote window to pandemic the improved one up to 130% duration to get max value
plush umbra
yeah but it's irrelevant for garrote
because that's just an 18 second dot all the time
the distinction is only important for rupture
since not every rupture lasts the same duration because of combo points
I remember having to make my own weakaura since most rupture weakauras I found calculated pandemic based on how it's written here in the bot
and that didn't line up with what I saw in game
plush umbra
I think the CD manager just has a flat duration set for all dots when it starts flashing
latent kernel
I feel like I’ve noticed it starts flashing at different times when you have different combo points
Could be wrong
plush umbra
it could be, I haven't played a lot of assassination yet in prepatch
should be easy enough to test I think, just apply a 2 cp rupture and then immediately apply a 6-7 cp rupture and see how long the new rupture lasts
latent kernel
The other thing to consider is that because hero talents play off using finishers at 5+ combo points, realistically it comes down to how lucky you are with crits, because you could generate anywhere from 5-7 combo points and the optimal point to rupture will be different depending on that
but then again it probably doesnt matter because as long as your sub 30% left really no ticks get wasted
idk
brain hurt
plush umbra
in regular play the distinction is almost irrelevant yeah, you may lose a tick of rupture every few minutes at most
it's mostly because I just noticed it and reading the text on the bot is not how I understand the mechanic to work
royal lantern
they seem more committed this time
nah
its the ussual buzzword spam with no deeper meaning or longterm thinking behind it
remember "meaningfull choice"?
or "unpruning the classes because they lost too much"
nova kelp
we have meaningful choice, we can use sword OR dagger mogs now
I still remember when they pruned hunters so hard they deleted traps
good times
weary stump
remember "meaningfull choice"?
My meaningful choice is the button that changes caustic spatter to the other talent for like two fights
royal lantern
like, we literterally had the same circle allready multiple times
i still remember going from MoP->WoD and losing like 60% of my Spellbook
and then they started to revert it over time
and then they pruned again
and then reverted again
in the end its mostly done so they can Add new abilitys
weary stump
Just wait until the last titan where all classes go back to what their talent trees looked like in their earliest iteration
Outlaw will go back to combat
waxen oyster
we have meaningful choice, we can use sword OR dagger mogs now
me with a shovel transmog in one hand and a corn mace in the other
weary stump
me with a shovel transmog in one hand and a corn mace in the other
Imagine if there were turkey or boomkin pjs to go with those weapons
royal lantern
My meaningful choice is the button that changes caustic spatter to the other tal...
my favorite part of the current patch is how they yell "accessibility" around all the time
while adding 0 things that help in that regard
and removing addons made it worse
so now i have to play with a 3rd party Overlay
i love WoW and its insane accessibility options, like Colorblind settings that where added in 2015, are just 3 bad overlays and nothing else to help with filtering, and never got updated at all
waxen oyster
my favorite part of the current patch is how they yell "accessibility" around a...
I like how cdm has less color/flashing customization than WA
accessbility btw
sacred oyster
so now i have to play with a 3rd party Overlay
whats this overlay do
charred marten
Is there a pandemic timer for reapplying bleeds?