assassination

[haughty flicker]

on vexie

[lethal arrow]

ill miss the dry shiv

that was fun

[noble urchin]

crimson tempest animation ugly as hell

[merry raven]

so if someone (not me) needed "energy management for dummies" would they be looking at:

1. full send it, spend every GCD and when you go dry you just suck it up and wait (alternating high and low apm)
2. manage energy as you go and maybe skip a GCD here and there but never go fully dry (consistent medium apm)

[crisp hare]

Hello, im new to Rogue but ive been playing assassination, before the rework i was doing pretty decent damage but now i feel like a im dropping off with damage and have a huge energy problem, is anyone having the same problems? or is it just me?

[balmy condor]

prepatch has no tuning

the spec is slightly slower by design, it gains a little bit of speed with midnight, but it's just not fast

[waxen oyster]

people go on the slow spec

and ask why its slow

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not expressly stated

such is life

[waxen oyster]

hasnt assa been the slow spec

for the games existence

[balmy condor]

you play 15 specs that don't give a shit about resources

[latent kernel]

Bro just tryna learn fr

[jaunty notch]

if you want something fast you should try GunZ

[balmy condor]

play a spec that does and is slow

it's weird

[waxen oyster]

such is energy classes

except outlaw

energy is a fake resource for them

[balmy condor]

yeah except outlaw

and also brew

and hunter

[waxen oyster]

have you seen average tank main

[balmy condor]

but aside from all the specs that don't fit your narrative, yes, true

[waxen oyster]

they play like wow has a 1.5s gcd

[balmy condor]

if you ignore all the specs that have energy and are fast

then all the energy specs are slow

[haughty flicker]

um excuse me hunters use focus not energy

[balmy condor]

yeah same shit

[waxen oyster]

arent all tanks gcd capped

[haughty flicker]

also ww energy is mostly fake

[balmy condor]

it's green energy

[haughty flicker]

so like

[waxen oyster]

focus is just energy but orange

[haughty flicker]

more energy/energy adjacent specs its fake

than for real

[waxen oyster]

holypower is yellow combopoints

though i dont get the “wrist pain” complaints

[balmy condor]

you don't get how pressing many buttons vs not pressing many buttons

can cause wrist pain

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

well you hit buttons with your fingers no

[haughty flicker]

...

[balmy condor]

you cannot be fr

I walk with my feet, why tf do my knees hurt

shouldn't my feet hurt

[waxen oyster]

Idk i’ve played outlaw when it was a 100apm spec

and never had pain

[balmy condor]

yes

[haughty flicker]

karma is gonna get you bad in 20 years

[balmy condor]

you're also not complaining about wrist pain

[waxen oyster]

Not as bad as the alcoholics

or smokers

[haughty flicker]

the alcoholics might get you in 20 years yeah

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

I also have been reading books my whole life and haven't needed glasses to do so, but there exist people that cannot do that

and need glasses

I still am capable of fucking understanding that people are different from me though wtf lmao

[coral ibex]

oh look at this reader

[haughty flicker]

lmfao this nerd reads

[coral ibex]

think's he's all high and mighty

[waxen oyster]

Idk its just interesting since never experienced joint pain from using a keyboard

[coral ibex]

read this bud

[waxen oyster]

and the wrist pain thing comes up very often

[haughty flicker]

ok like

as a serious answer

hold your wrist

then move your finger

and see what happens

[waxen oyster]

nothing happened?

[balmy condor]

how do I hold my wrist AND move my fingers at the same time

[coral ibex]

you dont develop an rsi from casually playing outlaw for a season or 2

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

you don't feel tendons and shit moving all the way to your forearm?

[coral ibex]

its a combination of poor form/posture, extreme repetitive motion, and no rest

[waxen oyster]

a tiny bit

[balmy condor]

if you flex your middle finger, that tendon goes all the way to your elbow

[waxen oyster]

but i see rsi complaints way more from wow players

than shit like osu which spams more

[jaunty notch]

?

you can't compare xd

[coral ibex]

yea but osu is just holding a pointer device and then spamming one key

[balmy condor]

that's a different hand position oh my god you cannot possible be this dense

[jaunty notch]

you only press the 2 same key

[coral ibex]

you dont need to be able to press many keys

[jaunty notch]

vs

10 inputs

?

[waxen oyster]

yet rsi gets most complaints from fury mains

who press 2 mostly

[balmy condor]

im walking away

holy fuck

[waxen oyster]

Realistically nooj is probably correct

and people have poor posture

+playing too long without getting up ever

[jaunty notch]

every human is different buddy

[waxen oyster]

I do feel rsi is overstated and most people are likely not be fr about getting it

[coral ibex]

i know i'm correct because i have an rsi in my left wrist

[balmy condor]

I’m back and it’s just more stupid than before

[coral ibex]

like i have braces from a doctor

[balmy condor]

But do you know

What RSI is

[waxen oyster]

Yeah but the sheer prevalence in wow

[jaunty notch]

@grok what is RSI

[waxen oyster]

yeah i just see it brought up more in wow

[balmy condor]

It’s literally just an umbrella term for any discomfort/injury you get doing repetitive tasks

Like if you go to a convention and walk around a ton and your ankle swells

That’s RSI

[waxen oyster]

Yeah but I see more people mention it in wow than other games

[balmy condor]

Okay

I mean I can’t deny your own personal experience I guess

[waxen oyster]

that was the part was curious on

since wow isnt the only game you can sit there and hit the same inputs over and over

[jaunty notch]

wow people are old

no wonder they complain a lot

[waxen oyster]

i mean that would explain people who think vanilla thunderfury looks good

nostalgia is a hell of a drug

or when people talk about game mechanics that are from 5+ years ago as if they were recent

[nimble tartan]

bring back reforging

[waxen oyster]

mop was 14 years ago

[jaunty notch]

5 years for a 20 years old game is kinda recent tbh

[waxen oyster]

mfw

idk 5 is a lifetime it feels like

[jaunty notch]

5 years ago it's shadowland

[haughty flicker]

me when im a fruit fly

[jaunty notch]

not that far

[waxen oyster]

feels that way

[jaunty notch]

game did not changed much since

we got dragonriding and sims house yay

[waxen oyster]

people who complain about bfa still

same as people who complain about their ex a decade later

[jaunty notch]

you should get used to that

[waxen oyster]

its a weirdly wow thing

[runic hinge]

my wrists hurt a lot last tier but it was cause of bad posture and no wrist rests, and then i got one and its gone, ergonomics works

[waxen oyster]

that people dont like
adapting to change

[jaunty notch]

thats a human thing

[waxen oyster]

good on you king

combat rogue glazers

when spec is barely older than outlaw now

[waxen oyster]

see it more in wow

wow and league have the most vocal haters who still resub on new releases

though

[haughty flicker]

tyler1 type shit

[waxen oyster]

how much of his crashout is a stream persona

[haughty flicker]

that specific crash out no idea

but yeah he obviously hams stuff up for stream

[waxen oyster]

same as crusader3455

[haughty flicker]

thats just how it be

they have a character to play

like larry the cable guy being a dude named daniel

[waxen oyster]

crazy shit gets views

like that guy who used to just rob people on ig live in 2017

[runic hinge]

tyler1 was unhinged before he was big

he had an int list taped to his monitor

he definitely plays a character now, after 26 bans tho the guy wasnt always doing it for the camera

[haughty flicker]

oh hes definitely unhinged

or was anyway

i dont even know wtf he does nowadays, i dont watch league stuff anymore outside of worlds

[jaunty sky]

variety

i think he went back to league every now and then

he's streaming league rn

[marsh fjord]

I remember the day how toxic he was in his room saying the most unhinged shit ever

[runic hinge]

i remember QT randomly hosting him and then him blowing up on reddit the day after and he went from like 12 viewers to a million

[marsh fjord]

Bro i remember something that he was so angry he like made a fist and hit his door behind him and the door was stuck on his hand

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/loltyler1-gamer-rage-rage-tyler1-one-gif-13273426

me when i learn we dont use shiv anymore

[grave trail]

how are people tracking vanish as a spell with cdm? it only shows as buff for me

[haughty flicker]

its in there for me

[grave trail]

am i giga blind?

[haughty flicker]

well i am now after how bright that is

but yeah ive heard some people are having issues with vanish

[grave trail]

lol sorry my pc does that when using snap for some reason

[haughty flicker]

mostly was sub but i guess with assa too

[grave trail]

snipping tool*

[haughty flicker]

im not sure what the solution is

[grave trail]

ok np

[neon sedge]

Anyone know if the offhand is still low prio on crafting. I got the mainhand done, just curious if its still worth skipping and getting other slots and saving offhand for later.

[balmy condor]

I don't get the situation

your mainhand is done in what way

like it's a myth dagger?

[neon sedge]

sorry, its a everforged stabber maxed.

But my offhand is kinda garbo

[balmy condor]

oh then no

you have your crafted dagger

when you get a good dagger you just move it to your offhand

[buoyant herald]

Offhand is the lowest prio for crafting pretty sure, very low impact slot

[neon sedge]

ahhh

Thanks for the quick responses! Much Appricated!

[marsh fjord]

@balmy condor qeustion if i may. i'm not looking at % or whatsoever but compared to other classes are weapon upgrades on assa or rogue in general kinda dogshit compared to other classes weapons?

i remember my mythic dagger from HC was only like 0.8%

[balmy condor]

bit complicated, but kinda yes

[marsh fjord]

Is this due that daggers swing faster? or has that nothing to do with it?

[balmy condor]

nah that doesn't matter

so like okay

lets compare to like a 2h

AP is mainstat + 6*weapon dps

and it's notably only the mainhand weapon

so lets consider secondary stats as 1 value, you get 22 secondary from the first dagger, 22 secondary from the second dagger

that mace has 45

basically equal secondaries

ignore that

[marsh fjord]

Y

[balmy condor]

agility is main stat

you get 11 from main hand, 11 from offhand, that mace is 22

that's the same, can ignore that

so now it's just the weapon dps

and it just has more

so that's a difference in 26 AP

same as 26 agility basically

just because the weapon dps on the mace is higher

[zenith tree]

Gang what is "good" damage for a max ilvl rogue in keys rn?

[marsh fjord]

very interesting thanks for explanining

[balmy condor]

looking like mid to high 30's

[balmy condor]

np, that being said auto attacks got insano giga juice

so

might be better in midnight now

offhand hits are half value compared to mainhand

but like if you just add the 6.1 weapon dps

that's 18.3 total weapon dps worth of autos on daggers

and 16.5 on the mace

so like in theory, the more you auto/the stronger your autos are, the more daggers would pull ahead

the same way that the mace comparatively adds more AP

[marsh fjord]

Yeah i saw melee damage being quite high on some meters

[digital venture]

this happened to me when trying to import a profile. start one from scratch and it will show up

[true rapids]

for non st fb bosses do we just take the aoe build and drop CT and thrown precision for doomblade and im poisons?

i know they all just fall over but still want the right build

[balmy condor]

You just take caustic and ct

And that’s it

More isn’t really worth

[buoyant herald]

dropping what for CT, imp poisons?

and doomblade i presume

[balmy condor]

Yes

Doomblade/imp poison are both pretty shit

So in any situation where you can cleave/spread

You drop one or both of them for ct and or caustic

[elfin fossil]

How did raid testing feel last night?

[deep lily]

How many envenoms are we trying to get in our chains? Is there a sweet spot you want to hit then let them drop to get that extra energy once we have all our talents.

[deep lily]

my best so far is 46k with massive pulls and me getting into stealth for like 60% of them

[haughty flicker]

finally got around to making rogue ui

a little ugly but it'll do for now

actually i need to change energy color

[sick bridge]

Not that it matters without apex talents, but is assassination single target extremely bad compared to Sub in the pre-patch?

[haughty flicker]

people have been saying we are kinda undertuned in prepatch

[uneven plume]

have you guys found a good focus interrupt sound addon?

[jolly stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-gif-13029792972945826049

[boreal flame]

Looks great and clean, good job! Looks like bar-addon + Sensei. What did you use for health frames?

[haughty flicker]

no sensei, its just unhalted unit frames and better cooldown manager

[boreal flame]

okay, haven't tried unhalted

[static glacier]

Goated gif

Of all the classes it’s deffo rogue that I see fitting this, look at his lil arms

[buoyant herald]

I really like unhalted

Would recommend

[slim copper]

If one wanted to get into Maplestory, is it lowcost entry? Or is it p2w?

[jolly stirrup]

@haughty flicker @balmy condor your knowledge is needed

[balmy condor]

#1372478130568171531

It’s free to play, but you realistically have to pay for a pet kinda. You can get pets free to play but it’s kind of a headache and at least initial setup you need like 10$ worth of pet skills as a one time cost

[slim copper]

oh sick i didnt know we had a maplestory thread!

[balmy condor]

There’s battle pass style things to buy with the events where you get like extra rewards but it’s not required or anything

[slim copper]

ok cool

and it seems like its fairly regularly updated. Is that an accurate statement?

[balmy condor]

Two major patches a year in summer and winter, four minor patches a year between those gaps

It’s event style patches, so like you’ll have a check in event or whatever for 3 weeks

That kind of thing

[slim copper]

ok sick.

its begun

[balmy condor]

I’d suggest steam

Just think it’s cleaner through steam client

Whatever works

[slim copper]

oh i didnt know it was on steam

[brisk wolf]

so when do i u;se shiv in my rotation now?

[balmy condor]

Yeye

[slim copper]

ill grab it through there

[balmy condor]

You don’t

[slim copper]

when u need to soothe

[brisk wolf]

yikes ok

[balmy condor]

Ain’t even an aoe soothe

Cause no arterial

[brisk wolf]

it was pretty integral b4 and now useless

[slim copper]

oof

[balmy condor]

So one target soothe

[slim copper]

we dont really need it with the new apex talents

imo

idk

im not the guide writer though

[balmy condor]

Yeah me either don’t ask me anything

[slim copper]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-among-us-animated-just-some-plastic-gif-18581623

[balmy condor]

Very important you choose heroic server btw, that’s the free to play server

Interactive is pay to win

[slim copper]

gross

[balmy condor]

Heroic is also 90% of the population

[slim copper]

cool

any recommendations on what class to try out as a starter?

[balmy condor]

What do you like to play thematically

Maplestory has warriors, archers, mages, thieves, and pirates

[slim copper]

i mean i like rogue-like playstyle.

Archer might be interesting though

[balmy condor]

Ren is the newest character, she’s a warrior but it’s weird

Cause her attack is a keydown

Very beginner friendly though, was literally designed like that

[slim copper]

interesting,

[balmy condor]

Thief wise if you want just the easy mode then uhhhh

I like dual blade, easy but it’s a lil strange as a first class cause it has a lot of story to churn through and has half-job advancements it’s hard to explain

[royal lantern]

the UI is just like me :3

[balmy condor]

Shadower has to animation cancel, Nightlord is a throwing star glass cannon

Night walker is pretty easy, also throwing star

Khali is dash-ability, the class

That one’s stupid hard

[slim copper]

hmmm ok i'll check it out more in depth in the morning. The download is taking forever for some reason

[balmy condor]

https://www.nexon.com/maplestory/game/classes-and-jobs/1302/thief

These are actually pretty decent previews

[brisk wolf]

does anyone know of an addon that can tell me how many bleeds i have up on how many targets? i used to use weakauras for that

[balmy condor]

For m+ could use scent of blood to get a rough estimate, otherwise that’s not possible

Not really needed rotationally either though so no big deal

[brisk wolf]

i found it useful in letting me iknow when to refrsh garrote especially

[balmy condor]

Ct makes that irrelevant

[royal lantern]

i mean, with the new CT you jst look at your current target

[balmy condor]

It copies the longest bleed

[brisk wolf]

ok good point

[balmy condor]

So all your bleeds in aoe have the same length

They all run out the same time as your main target

Which you will refresh like normal

And then that’s the longest again

[rotund oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dBJoMhTapg Bruh

[brisk wolf]

roger, thanks for the reminder

[rotund oak]

the F are those numbers

[balmy condor]

Not extreme adversary what a casual

[brisk wolf]

so garrote, 5 combo rupture, ct until 5 combo points then envenom?

[balmy condor]

Ye

And when everything has bleeds or it’s close enough to everything

You fok instead

[royal lantern]

do youu think they will "fix" the weird thing that CT always gives CP

[balmy condor]

But yeh sunny goated

[balmy condor]

Don’t see why they wouldn’t

[rotund oak]

when i wanna learn mechanics i jsut watch him 🐐

[balmy condor]

Adversary is really fkin hard

0.5s parry window and if you miss the parry you just do 40% less damage very cool

[rotund oak]

yeah there are alot of stuff that throw u down the drain pretty fast

i rly rly like dual blade btw

[royal lantern]

i would just parry then

[rotund oak]

bossing being super important i think ive picked the best thing to play

[balmy condor]

Dual blade is cool yeah

Just don’t tell dual blade mains that they’re good

Or they will cry and bitch

The doom is INSANE in their discord atm

[rotund oak]

im jsut enjoying the game,not here to flex nor replicate outlaw channel drama

stupid doomers

[balmy condor]

Really should thread xd hold on

[lavish hazel]

is there any poison reminder addons ?

[atomic creek]

There is one on curseforge but it doesn't remove the warning until all poisons are applied. So it stays up if you don't apply crippling poisons when you're running dragon tempered

[balmy condor]

Seems worth

Cripling poison is damage

[atomic creek]

But also very annoying in M+ when not necessary

[balmy condor]

Funny how that works

My old ass remembers when assa was wanted for perma slows

[atomic creek]

Addon is called Klicker's Poison Reminder for anyone who does want to grab it

[balmy condor]

And now mplussers regularly bitch about having to use crippling

Weird game mode

[jolly stirrup]

How did Raid Testing feel btw Whispyr

[atomic creek]

I used to just apply it out of habit until my guild's tank complained about mobs being slowed when trying to group them up

[balmy condor]

They didn’t change much tbh some timing stuff but it seemed like they just wanted to test damage more than anything

[jolly stirrup]

[balmy condor]

Most bizarro log screenshot

You will ever see in your life

But yeah idk was okay

[atomic creek]

You're really enjoying Outlaw aren't you?

[balmy condor]

It’s a great time

[atomic creek]

Do you run Killing Spree and KIR?

[balmy condor]

Nah was fatebound

So just KiR

[atomic creek]

Aight, haven't tried Fatebound yet, have to give it a go

[balmy condor]

And that one was also grand melee/dancing steel but I didn’t wanna drop menacing rush so I dropped summarily dispatched

But that’s probably heresy

I just kinda vibed it and was okay idk

Probably a better way to do that

[atomic creek]

Seems to be working though if you're doing top damage

I'm sure Blizzard will throw the numbers all over the place by release

[balmy condor]

The windwalker was shitting on everyone for the rest of the testing

Idk what they fed that spec

All I hear from monks is dooming

[atomic creek]

That's what I heard too, I thought it was the worst thing ever but I guess not

[balmy condor]

And then the ww rolled up and did like legit 95k dps

And I’m like

????

[atomic creek]

They're playing the long game, try to convince everyone it's bad just to top everything

[balmy condor]

Idk if it was just like an rng thing or what but he was dumping out damage

Outlaw felt pretty good on nexus king though ngl

If you finish on 5 then cds line up for the damage amp

Was pretty cool

[atomic creek]

I'm actually enjoying all 3 specs for the first time in a while, so I'll see if I can switch around a bit depending on how I feel. Since we do raid Mythic but not at a high enough level where it matters if I don't play the "optimal" spec

[balmy condor]

Ye

This is the first time I’ve enjoyed outlaw really since legion

[jolly stirrup]

.

[nova kelp]

Ol does feel really good ATM. Agree

[atomic creek]

Same for me. I was sad about losing Combat but Legion Outlaw was good fun

[jolly stirrup]

Bro deleted message

[nova kelp]

I've never understood the whole "combat better". The only diff was one got dice lol

[balmy condor]

My guilds been making jokes that I must be hacked again

Because whispyr would never play outlaw

Can’t enjoy shit

[nova kelp]

To be fair I thought the vid was a joke at first

Or sarcasm

[balmy condor]

Me? Never

I’m always serious

[nova kelp]

Same tbh

[atomic creek]

For me the thing that ruined Outlaw was the whole stealth mechanic

[royal lantern]

wait, still talking about maple or is it Monster Hunter now

[marsh fjord]

Do you know i'm the reason your enjoying outlaw

if you dont know i will remind you

[balmy condor]

[marsh fjord]

I was in your stream. and assa was terrible on the council boss. and then i said. go swap outlaw. and thats how everything got reignited

[balmy condor]

I don’t remember anything about anything tbf

[marsh fjord]

[balmy condor]

Yeah surely

[marsh fjord]

was mythic raid testing

😄

the paladin boss

[balmy condor]

I had already played it before that but yeah I guess that was the first test I did with it

[marsh fjord]

so all me baby

[balmy condor]

True actually

[marsh fjord]

Shittiest thing is that we still need a sword for outlaw

😄

[nova kelp]

The stealth mechanic is kinda... Super new

In the grand scheme

There was a LONG time between combat and stealth empowered ol

[atomic creek]

It got added in Dragonflight no? I played Outlaw during Legion and a bit of Shadowlands but I took a break from the game from Shadowlands S2 to Dragonflight S4

[restive hawk]

is there any way to track if we have weapon poisons applied? i really miss my clickable poison weakaura :(

[pliant remnant]

Look for "poison reminder" on Curseforge or whatever

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/klickers-poison-reminder

Somebody was talking about this one earlier in (I think) sub chat, but I haven't tried it out myself yet

[gleaming geyser]

I vibecoded one last night, it's giga rudimentary, but giga lightweight and is meant to look as to not clash with the blizzard UI

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/dtb-poison-tracker

I need to add wound poison functionality for the pvpers

[humble verge]

vibecoding

[worldly sail]

this one has been working for me

[scenic rapids]

damn. outlaw seems to be doing really well. i just never liked the rtb playstyle

then again i haven't touched it since legion so idk if it's still using that or not

[grim jay]

its mostly the "muh our buttons got removed and there is less depth" stuff

[heady aspen]

Want to see dooming, check out ferals atm.

[amber stream]

Yo peeps, is there anyway to display poisons on the enemy nameplate (like rupture and garrote shows)?

[grim jay]

you usually dont want that

because its just useless visual clutter

[amber stream]

personal preference.

[scarlet orbit]

You cant controll blacklists like it was before. You can somehow disable the blizzard one but then you see kinda everything.

[charred obsidian]

Any reason why the cheat sheet raid talents and the talent page raid talents are different?

[proud wraith]

hello, so i am brand new to WoW and playing an assass rogue. Where do I start? lol im currently lvl 31

[severe meadow]

Our lovable leader Whispyr has a guide on rogue stuff on WoWhead

[jolly stirrup]

Like Jay said, the guide on wowhead is INCREDIBLY useful and in depth. It helped me get started as well. Also don't be shy to ask questions here and have them answered

[jaunty notch]

finally have something decent

[severe meadow]

Something about I’m angry that you’re tracking shiv or something

Looks good tho

[jolly stirrup]

Tracking every weapon poison

[jaunty notch]

I have no choice

plater guy said it was not possible to remove them yet

[nova aspen]

we are not allowed to blacklist on nameplates is what i heard

[jaunty notch]

I love my shiv it will stay here

even if I'm not pressing it

[severe meadow]

It’s still a utility button at the of the day

Shit soothe but a soothe

[jaunty notch]

my only issue is

I don't like how bartender make my bars fade out

it's brut from 0 to 100 oppacity

need to find a way

[viscid spear]

Is it this shareable?

[jaunty notch]

I guess

I'm not using much addons, but I need to figure some things out first

[proud wraith]

what is the passive that keeps slice n dice up?

/where to find it \

[analog field]

cut to the chase i think

[jolly stirrup]

^

[proud wraith]

i cant find it anywhere and when i search it doesnt come up

[jaunty notch]

why do you need it ?

[shy creek]

Make sure you have the "passives seen" option checked in the spellbook

[wispy apex]

Hello, is there a way/addon to track how many targets you have rupture/garrote on? Other than looking at nameplates?

[jaunty notch]

you don't really need to know that anymore

spreading with CT give the same duration

so if your main target is at 5s remaining, everyone else also

[wispy apex]

Yeah but it only spread to 2 other targets?

[jaunty notch]

yes

if you press x2 there will be 5 targets affected

all will have same duration

[analog field]

the question was how to know that he has applied to all targets

[proud wraith]

just wanted to see if i had it yet @jaunty notch

[analog field]

which for now i dont think there is. There are some addons with this functionality

[jaunty notch]

unless you min max to dps check a very high key, I doubt you need to know how many

just spam x3, x4 dependant on the pack size

and you are good to go

[analog field]

i mean the optimal at the moment is to apply it to all mobs

so it would be good to know

but yeah one less target will not make or break your key

[wispy apex]

Thanks, do you know which one?

[analog field]

i saw a reddit post yesterday for an addon which has many utilities we had in WA's but i can't recall the name

I think one of the functionalities was having the mob count and the range

[proud wraith]

does stamina get better to maintain?

or how do i maintain stamina better might be the better q

[spice surge]

Assuming you mean energy

But you dont

Not having energy for every global is intended

[proud wraith]

yeah energy. hmm just from videos ive watched it looks like people arent having problems maintaining it

i cant even get through a rotation

ig I am only like lvl 32

[shy creek]

yeah not much can be said about anything you do at level 32

[jaunty notch]

energy look decent

idk if they fixed the bug in aoe

[real pike]

Raiding tomorrow

Haven't logged in on prepatch

Not looked at any rotation changes or ui or anything

How cooked am I?

[charred obsidian]

Yes

Tbh youre mostly fine

[jaunty notch]

mono rotation is same

ui is meh depending of what you had before

[grim jay]

mono rotation

[jaunty notch]

managable if you only log to fast kill dimmy

log > press same button as before > boss dead gg

[pliant remnant]

M O N O

Good band

[coral ibex]

overmono?

[real pike]

Is it not the new rotation we'll have in Midnight?

[real pike]

I assume my Whispyr weakaura pack is dust

[jaunty notch]

you assumed right

[real pike]

Killer

[next ocean]

Lets say I have garrotte coming into pandemic, but rupture is outside of pandemic, am I refreshing Rupture with garrotte then CT? Or am I just refreshing garrotte and then spreading with CT? I think if it was the latter I'd be stuck in the same position the other way round when rupture is coming up to pandemic right? If the pack lives long enough that is to get to a refresh

[warm raft]

Do you guys track you coin flips in the buff window or does it not really matter?

[latent kernel]

It’s completely passive and you don’t rlly play around it so not worth tracking imo

[warm raft]

Ok thank you! I figured but I wanted to make sure

[marsh fjord]

You always just refresh into pandemic no matter what happens, refreshing out of pandemic is a DPS loss. And CT copies the dot. I hope that answers your qeustion.

[next ocean]

But then when I CT I'll be refreshing the non-pandemic rupture no?

I guess it makes no difference because I'd be putting a new rupture up anyway the other way, so either way one of them is being refreshed out of pandemic

[mint urchin]

It's probably a dps loss to reapply garrote via CT to only turn redo CT for rupture 5-10sec later as CT is higher energy cost then FoK... But this is just vibe based

[knotty vapor]

has anyone made an addon that just hides the default combo points yet

i had a weakaura to do it before

i stg im gonna go learn LUA just to make this if i have to

[haughty flicker]

ive seen some posted in here

i think @bronze marsh had one

[bronze marsh]

yeah

moment, will dm

[tacit iris]

@balmy condor small question Whispyr, maybe already asked -> how did you calculate the assisted highlight damage? and for which specs is it? Could you give us some nuances on this plz! thanks a lot

[latent kernel]

Is there a way to track combo points on the CD manager

[knotty vapor]

no, the personal resource display is a UI element now though

there's a toggle to disable health/mana so it just turns into a combo point display

[latent kernel]

It’s actually absurd that you can’t track that on the CD manager lol

Thanks for the info

[knotty vapor]

would be cleaner to have it in there instead yeah

everything's gotta be a convoluted series of menu toggles now lol

[real pike]

Is the ui thing shareable? Any good ones for us floating around?,

I am very lazy

[knotty vapor]

yeah you can export the default blizz ui

i made one that mimics my old custom ui if u wanna try it lol

[real pike]

Please big man

[knotty vapor]

ngl its not very standard, ya'll probably wont like it, but will send

dm'd

[real pike]

Will be leaving a 1 star review if I don't

[knotty vapor]

lmao

oh actually i hope you're on a 1440p screen, last i heard the export doesn't account for that properly lmao

[balmy condor]

Simmed with single target and m+ builds

[tacit iris]

ah ok so you got an APL from bliz? since it has a certain behavior ofc

[balmy condor]

They’re datamined

[tacit iris]

Ahh awesome, ty very much for your reaction

[humble verge]

if they made DfA a pve ability again I could cosplay this 🥲

as sub tho

[thorn thorn]

[blazing totem]

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/895366813309870151/1395094090408005662/caption.gif

[real pike]

Lmfao luckily I am

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor i was bowling for the first time today

21 points total

[balmy condor]

You bowled 2 frames?

[humble verge]

tryna figure out what to do for the rest of the night

i could either start making this i got for xmas

or just sit here doing nothing watching youtube

[keen spruce]

me rn

[subtle tundra]

do me

[grave trail]

Do your combo points change color depending how many you have? I liked this about my old WA pack cause it made it easier to tell when to send a finisher

[midnight atlas]

no, you'll have to count them 1by1 every time now

[jaunty notch]

no but I could probably find a workaround

[haughty flicker]

twintop's resource bar can do that iirc

[balmy condor]

Really

that seems weird

[haughty flicker]

i didnt mess with it myself but the settings changed combo point color at 6 and 7 iirc

think i posted a ss lemme check

[grave trail]

Lol I just added a number tag, but changing colors would be awesome.

[haughty flicker]

his bars do a lot of stuff i havent seen any of the others do

[buoyant herald]

i do like that feature, hopefuly sensei's will add it

it has the supercharge one built in

[jaunty notch]

copy his addon code

it's meta recently

[haughty flicker]

real

[jaunty notch]

[humble verge]

do we actually just ignore tea now @balmy condor since it doesnt give us mastery

in cd window

[spice surge]

Yes

[humble verge]

losing as usual

[buoyant herald]

you've ignored tea for like 2 seasons in a row already

[humble verge]

huh

no

[haughty flicker]

did crimson tempest always make you red

o.o

[humble verge]

you wanna shiv+tea tho

🤨

[buoyant herald]

oh yeah sorry, i mean you don't actively press it as it's own thing

[humble verge]

ohye no

[buoyant herald]

macroed into something else = ignored for me lol

[humble verge]

xd

[summer cape]

Do we have numbers for how much energy venomous wounds regen beyond 1st target?

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor is the "FB flips sometimes generate CP" bug still in the game, or am i going crazy

[balmy condor]

1

[balmy condor]

Yes

They proc seal fate

[royal lantern]

thats....still a bug right, not intended

[balmy condor]

Yes

[thorn thorn]

theft

ty

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/wideboink-cat-boink-cat-boink-gif-4293569947606972768

[marsh fjord]

😄

https://tenor.com/view/truth-train-meme-looting-gif-25764111

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[severe meadow]

Handsome man alert 🚨

[runic hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1255570724861771896/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_2.gif

[thorn thorn]

purple hair soon

[haughty flicker]

midnight hair pog

[runic hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif

[thorn thorn]

And then

[haughty flicker]

oh good

[thorn thorn]

The yellow/gold

[haughty flicker]

i save this so i dont lose it again

[thorn thorn]

[woven ruin]

Does anyone have an alternative to Nugrunning yet?

[marsh fjord]

What the hell is nugrunning

that sounds something you do to your lady if i'm completely honest

[woven ruin]

DoT timer bars, old addon that was still running great til the patch.

[thorn thorn]

@severe meadow

Pookums

I have fun lore

[severe meadow]

What’s up

[thorn thorn]

Did you know

That if blizzard disconnects you mid-key

And they take too long to reconnect you

The game will auto kick you from the group and brick the key if enough time passes

Definitive proof M+ is meme content

[lethal vector]

anyone using arcui thats figured out how to track imp garrote seperate from regular garrote?

the debuff duration, not the self buff

[balmy condor]

That wasn’t possible even before with weakauras without custom code and reading the combat log

I wouldn’t know how that would be possible now

[buoyant herald]

it's not a HUGE mental load to remember natty

only need to think about it once every 2mins

[marsh fjord]

You garrote, and you think the seconds in your head

https://tenor.com/view/ez-yann-gauthier-gif-18979624

[waxen oyster]

I mean just don't refresh garrote early?

[buoyant herald]

gobbys got a point

[past forum]

Happened to our healer in multiple DB I did earlier today but we just finished key anyway cause meme patch

[balmy condor]

I can't count that high

[marsh fjord]

NA education at his finest again

[waxen oyster]

What’s 9+10

[marsh fjord]

22

[coral ibex]

wrong its 21

[lethal vector]

wasnt aware of that., been playing sub for the last 3 or so seasons

honestly wouldnt be bad to track it on the nameplate but in m+ it gets crazy without whitelist/blacklist on nameplates and 20 mobs loool

[balmy condor]

yeh, the garrote debuff on enemies has the same spell id and everything

so the "traditional" way to track improved garrote

is to read the combatlog and check if a garrote was cast during stealth/vanish/improved garrote's buff timer

but reading the combatlog is giga illegal now

[lethal vector]

damn. natty it is then

[marsh fjord]

I always had like this crazy border around my garrote if it was improved

Now thats gone

https://tenor.com/view/pour-drink-pouring-alcohol-respect-gif-9283896756814937503

[marsh fjord]

Time to start counting broski

[balmy condor]

it's not a big deal either way tbh

you refresh early and lose out on what

[marsh fjord]

well not really. but if your like a optimization freak like me. i dont want to overide it. even if its miniscule

[balmy condor]

3 ticks of 50% garrote

[lethal vector]

thats true

[balmy condor]

so you're losing 1.5 ticks

every 2 min?

big whoop

[marsh fjord]

thats a 99 parse to a 100 mate

[balmy condor]

it definitely isn't

[marsh fjord]

I know

im memeing 😄

Dont ban me

I beg you

[balmy condor]

it's actually the difference from a 20 to a 95

I gray parsed because I overwrote my improved garrote 2.3 seconds early

that's the only reason

[marsh fjord]

This is what happens

when i listen to you

[coral ibex]

whats the matter weakaura boy

afraid you might see something

[balmy condor]

call me quazii the way I'm boutta steal everyone's shit, make all the criticism about me with an unrelated sob story, and then fucking quit

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/belka-dancing-belka-in-suit-gif-10044938331287705749

[balmy condor]

you'll have to beg me to come back

[marsh fjord]

https://giphy.com/gifs/old-linda-feat-de5bARu0SsXiU

[balmy condor]

which I will tell everyone I won't

[marsh fjord]

POV quazii

[balmy condor]

but I'm making >20k a month off of patreon

so I will come back for sure

[lime onyx]

I hope they make addons more creative now that they’re less combat focused. Like a void-themed animation and visual pack for rogues or something

[balmy condor]

but I need time to come back so that it seems like the situation impacted me deeply

that way I can make a return arc as an underdog

[marsh fjord]

You mean character based?

Because thats highly illegal

[lime onyx]

To adjust my personal animations/ability icons in-game?

[marsh fjord]

No icons no

I thought you meant changing like the color of your spells

[lime onyx]

Yeah like a void themed strike versus normal

[haughty flicker]

they also like

dont really care if you do that

although probably that stuff is all broken now anyway

[marsh fjord]

Nah people have been using that sort of cheat code to change your armor/mount only for yourself for ages

[haughty flicker]

thats what im talking about

[lime onyx]

Like idk if you play league but you can import custom skins

[haughty flicker]

blizzard doesnt care

[lime onyx]

Something like that for different specs would be so sick

[haughty flicker]

those types of addons have even worked with blizzard in the past to make sure they dont overstep any boundaries

[marsh fjord]

Yeah but if they find out they will probaly ban you. but they won't go actively searching for it no

a friend of mine who exclusively plays classic is running on a spectral tiger

[haughty flicker]

im way too lazy for stuff like that

[marsh fjord]

This was my guild chat today

i fucking lost it was so funny

[slim copper]

@balmy condor I require knowledge.

[balmy condor]

don't we all

[lime onyx]

Legit the only thing combat related I’ve thought of that works is making my combo point meter glow/change color when above certain number of points

[haughty flicker]

real

[slim copper]

does it matter what server in Heroic

[balmy condor]

yes, but you're EU right?

so there's probably only 1

[haughty flicker]

lmao eu

[slim copper]

nah US

[balmy condor]

oh

kronos then

[haughty flicker]

lmao not eu

[slim copper]

aight

[marsh fjord]

Is this maplestory?

[balmy condor]

that's where the chads live

yes

[marsh fjord]

Never played it. am i missing out

[haughty flicker]

its pretty good

[slim copper]

can i make it Full screen

[haughty flicker]

very grindy and absolutely dogshit monetization

but fun

[balmy condor]

yes

[haughty flicker]

yes

[marsh fjord]

is it world wide. or only region? that you play with friends?

[balmy condor]

server locked

[marsh fjord]

oh

[balmy condor]

so region/server

[rotund oak]

im drinking since yday because ive won a smol amount of money in lottery

plz continue

[haughty flicker]

you didnt win the lottery

buy me a wow token to prove it

[marsh fjord]

Why does quazii never do a giveaway

🙁

hes making bank

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's why he can claim to take a moral highground, take the money, and run

[rotund oak]

if he's smart he should be saving

[waxen oyster]

i like how neph quit developing

and told people

"just wait for elv"

[marsh fjord]

I just use unhalted

[balmy condor]

I mean

[marsh fjord]

way better bro

[balmy condor]

it was already basically just elv

[waxen oyster]

will never not be funny to see weakauras get the axe and people basically

[balmy condor]

all the neph code was just elv code

[waxen oyster]

design their cdm to look like weakauras

[balmy condor]

except danders

which is also kinda elv

and quazii

which is a combination of everything

[waxen oyster]

i mean they're all just derivs

of skullflower's ui

[haughty flicker]

the addon drama has been very funny

i hope it keeps going

[rotund oak]

this is basicly trolling in an official blizzard way(with copyrights reserved)

[lime onyx]

They all just came from the same vibecode. Claude copied the existing code and they all claim it’s there’s

[waxen oyster]

Skullflower just stopped maintaining his ui when he became a blizz employee

[balmy condor]

the addon drama is hilarious cause the worst people are all trying to claim they're the least worst person

[waxen oyster]

and naowh just downsized the playerframes of skull's

in a way hes the reason the typical elv looks the way it is

[balmy condor]

"yeah actually I did use AI and all the other peoples code, but at least I'm not an IDIOT"

"yeah actually my addon used everyone elses but did you know I was in a car crash"

"yeah actually I AI coded everything but at least it was the code the AI stole and not code I stole"

[marsh fjord]

HAHAHAHA

[rotund oak]

hilarious

[lime onyx]

My belief is that if your addon is free, you can use other peoples addon code since it’s free use, right? Like why stop someone from taking your concept and improving it?

[balmy condor]

because that's not how licensing works

[waxen oyster]

the drama pretty sure is quazii taking elv

and paywalling it

[marsh fjord]

Why is wow drama always so juicy and funny i absolutely live for it

[balmy condor]

an addon being free is not the same as an addon being open-source

you're describing open-source

[lime onyx]

Aren’t most licenses fair use of code tho in the addon community?

[rotund oak]

no not everything,its what the designer lets u

[balmy condor]

not really

[rotund oak]

as all things

[balmy condor]

cause as a program/installable for example, it has inherent copyright

elvui for example is a copyrighted addon

[lime onyx]

I guess if it’s all right reserved rather than other GNUPG licenses

[balmy condor]

like elvui even tells you its licensing before you download it

[marsh fjord]

Honestly i genuinely dont get something, so people are using elvui, and people are selling profiles within elvui. but thats not illigal, but if elvui would be sold as standalone then it would go against blizzard TOS? i always tought selling profiles is also kinda sketchy

[balmy condor]

yeah so the reason that works

is because you're not selling anything related to an addon

you're selling a string of letters basically

[haughty flicker]

realistically its the same thing but it gets around the rules and blizzard doesnt care to enforce it

[marsh fjord]

yeah it feels sketch to me

[balmy condor]

you can't monetize an addon

[haughty flicker]

like it could definitely fall under "services related to an addon" being sold

[lime onyx]

I mean idk if they can enforce it since it’s a step removed from their game

[marsh fjord]

What about addons like zygor and restedxp?

[lime onyx]

The addon isn’t monetized, the profile is

[marsh fjord]

Is that the same?

[haughty flicker]

it skirts the rules

because yeah they arent selling the addon

so its not monetized

even if the addon is useless without those funny letters

like something like zygor

[lime onyx]

Tbh I think any paid addons are stupid since WoW players are such nerds within a week there will be a more robust, free addon that does the same functions made out of sheer spite

[marsh fjord]

Imagine blizzard also starts being strict on that HOLY the drama

[balmy condor]

zygor and restedxp are pieces of shit that get around the rules by being downloadable and "usable" but needing a subscription for features

which is a loophole in their policyh

[marsh fjord]

So many times profiles just get shared around and only a handful of people actually buy it.

[balmy condor]

idk

[lime onyx]

I love how they try to get rid of combat addons but rn you can get an addon that shows you the next button to press on rotation helper and even the key bind. Like a neutered hekili lol

[balmy condor]

creators trying to monetize every piece of dirt on their screen

like I get it as a creator

but as a human

it's dumb as shit

[slim copper]

Should we be taking Sudden Demise in M+?

[balmy condor]

no

[slim copper]

why

🙂

[lime onyx]

Cuz numbers bro

[haughty flicker]

bc bleed build is so 2025

[balmy condor]

you need talent points in order to get to sudden demise

and every talent point you could remove to get to sudden demise

is a significant downgrade

[slim copper]

so not taking dragon tempered blades to take sudden demise is a bad idea?

O.o

[balmy condor]

correct

[lime onyx]

Will we be using the cold blood talent again once it’s not bugged or is it just worse than the supercharger point?

[balmy condor]

it's already fixed

and we do take it

[lime onyx]

Ooh good shit

[balmy condor]

they also fixed the fatebound ravenholdt mint thing

[lime onyx]

That was the auto attack bug right?

[balmy condor]

which technically puts us in a spot where beta was actually behind the live version of the game for a day or two I think

but that's just funnies

the auto attack bug also was fixed

but that was something else

[lime onyx]

I just want to be able to track my implacable stacks. Biggest thing I feel we’re missing

[marsh fjord]

i wonder if they gonna add it

[lime onyx]

Hate having to look at the top right corner, find the implacable counter out of my 20 buffs, and decide from there

[marsh fjord]

I thought i saw whispyr saying it doesnt really matter now to stop at max stacks or not

You just go

till you cant anymore

[slim copper]

how do we know what adds have our bleeds in m+ 🙁

[marsh fjord]

looking at your nameplates?

[lime onyx]

Not once we have apex, tiny increase

[balmy condor]

you stop on max implacable if it won't overcap you

[haughty flicker]

you try to see it in the mess of nameplates

[marsh fjord]

What does this mean?

[balmy condor]

does it even matter what adds have our bleeds

just fucking hit CT again

?

[slim copper]

lol you got it

[balmy condor]

implacable hits 80 and you stop

that's it

[marsh fjord]

wait am i confused? is 6 not required for max energy gain?

what you mean 80?

or am i this stupid

[balmy condor]

it's 20 - 35 - 50 - 65 -80

[marsh fjord]

OHHHH

but thats 6 stacks no?

[wooden basin]

Can we track implacable stacks yet

[marsh fjord]

or does it actually say 80?

[marsh fjord]

Read up

no

[balmy condor]

it says 80

[lime onyx]

In the specific scenario where you’re max implacable stacks, have 5 combo points, and are going to overcap, is it more worth it to press another mutilate for a bigger envenom and drop implacable or press envenom on 5 and go after that one?

[marsh fjord]

ah i thought it was single stacks

[lethal vector]

wait is this still possible? i used to use nug for this but its not updated for midnight

[balmy condor]

you would envenom on 5 until you are starved enough to let implacable trigger without overcapping

[marsh fjord]

Sensei resourcebar does this ( not sure) some people told me

[lime onyx]

I vibe coded an addon that did it just to see if it works. I think it’s built into a UI but not sure which

[marsh fjord]

or it was arc

one of the other

[lethal vector]

been using sensei for a couple of days now and i didnt see that option

[marsh fjord]

Then its arc

[lethal vector]

im pretty sure arc only has support for energy rn and not cp

but i could be wrong

[lime onyx]

That was the only combat related addon thing I could think of that would be beneficial to our spec rn. If you think of anything else you might find useful, I can try to cook up a barebones addon that does it

[marsh fjord]

I remember zorthass using addon in beta having it

that changed color based on mealstorm stacks

[haughty flicker]

stuff like that is possible yes

[lethal vector]

yes it has support for maelstrom. i saw that in the color options on sensei. it also has support for supercharged cp but thats it so far

[haughty flicker]

but if the addon itself doesnt support the specific thing you want to do then it doesnt matter whats technically possible

unless you can make the addon yourself

[marsh fjord]

I heard you can do that

[balmy condor]

why do I need to make the addon

@grok fix it

[haughty flicker]

because you cant make the weakaura

wait true

mechahitler will fix it for me

[lime onyx]

I made it myself, just haven’t figured out how to make it work with other resource bar addons

Like universally

[lime onyx]

Besides having it be an icon that isn’t connected to the combo point bar

[marsh fjord]

pay me now

im gonna paywall it like quazii

[balmy condor]

you have to get in a car crash first

to VIVIDLY remember that your community is the best

[marsh fjord]

That wont take long if my girlfriend keeps driving how she is driving currently

[balmy condor]

and that you would hate to leave the world without thanking people for giving you thousands of dollars

[wooden basin]

https://tenor.com/view/i-drive-drive-my-car-gif-7675608

[balmy condor]

[lime onyx]

Nah but fr, can you guys think of any other useful combat related tracking that would be beneficial to sin rogue besides combo point/energy tracking?

[marsh fjord]

Improved garrote

[lime onyx]

Welp

[balmy condor]

I know some people want to see garroted targets/total targets

but good luck with that

[marsh fjord]

also people wanted a addon with how many ruptures

for scent

[balmy condor]

that would be quite a magic trick if you can get that to work

[lime onyx]

Yeah I think that logic is gated

[waxen oyster]

didnt they block it

[balmy condor]

they blocked everything combatlog

[lime onyx]

I can try to get creative when I’m back home tomorrow but don’t expect much.

[waxen oyster]

me as someone who never tracked that stuff

[balmy condor]

I would say find a way to add implacable to the CDM, but I'm pretty sure you can't even filter/query specific buff ids

[waxen oyster]

"i already hit garrote as many times as reasonable so why does it matter"

[lime onyx]

For scent/implacable it might be possible to track the secret value of the stacks and make a curve from it based on the info. I’d have to check the api

[balmy condor]

but like they managed to find a way to get trinkets into CDM

so like

maybe possible?

[balmy condor]

scent is already on the CDM

for what its worth

[lime onyx]

Ah then no point in that one and no need to track rupture targets

[scenic rapids]

what's implacable btw. is that a talent that i'm too blind and dumb to find

[balmy condor]

apex talent

[marsh fjord]

Is your entire combo points red?

[scenic rapids]

ooooh

[balmy condor]

yes

I'm fiddling with my shit rn after beta testing

straight diddy PoV on these bars

[marsh fjord]

This actually genuinely looks better then your old WA's btw 😄

[balmy condor]

I would say thank you but that's mildly insulting

[marsh fjord]

HAHAHAHA

[balmy condor]

"this low effort slop on your screen is so much better than the shit that took you dozens of hours over the last expansion, why didn't you just do that"

[scenic rapids]

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-hahaha-gif-22505124

[waxen oyster]

Why did people even need a rupture target count

[balmy condor]

I just got mogged

holy hell

[waxen oyster]

when scent stacks was good enough

[balmy condor]

because they can't divide by 2/4

[jolly stirrup]

Whispyr thinking over his entire career right now

[waxen oyster]

Wait

we failing grade school math out here?

[lime onyx]

And isn’t garrote targets gonna be the exact same as rupture targets?

[jolly stirrup]

Also good mornin

[balmy condor]

my weakauras included a toggle on scent tracking

[marsh fjord]

2+2 is 5