#assassination

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flint tusk
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Like ‘see add must rupture for single target dam’

analog field
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You just tabbed and threw a rupture, not very engaging

flint tusk
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No exactly but leaving it at the tww regen would make it mandatory.

analog field
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Yeah I mean it is something that kinda shouldn't exist

flint tusk
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Like even doing it for mobs that won’t live for 4 seconds just to get the regen

Guess now it’s more of a well at least you didn’t get no benefit.

We’ll see if they do anything numbers wise with it though

analog field
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Also now you have CT

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you never tab a rupture

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and you always use CT

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so you lose exactly nothing

flint tusk
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Meh i wouldn’t say shouldn’t exist it’s good for tempo but definitely not for being played around

analog field
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But it is free now

flint tusk
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Honestly CT is probably the main reason the energy got nerfed

analog field
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You just use CT

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you don't even tab you don't lose a cast

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there is no downside

flint tusk
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Yeh that’s true. I’d defo take more base regen over a refund

analog field
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Previously you had to get a refund coz you wasted time

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Now you waste almost 0

flint tusk
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I always thought of it more as a nice energy injection for solo stuff hadn’t given it much mind for raid or m+ even though i imagine in m+ it’s huge

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Like the ‘mob dies’ oh shit full energy lets go!
But that’s just me 🙈

short sparrow
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Because of CT, energy refunds would have been OP in AoE situations, which is probably why they nerfed it so hard. I do miss it though

analog field
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I mean wow and solo stuff is kinda negating each other 😛

short sparrow
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they are leaning more into the solo playstyle imo. story mode raids, delves, etc

flint tusk
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Oh 100%
Especially if we even mention subs teleport 💀

analog field
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Balancing is not happening for these

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Yes we want players to do that

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but no one is thinking of , oh rogue can't solo a delve

flint tusk
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Pretty much why i always played sub in solo content last expac :/

short sparrow
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i was gobsmacked by how much easier delves were on my prot warrior

analog field
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tanks (and plate users) are a joke for delves

flint tusk
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Perma tricks on brann and shadowdance instantly dropping all aggro?

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That’s just gg

short sparrow
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unless you made Brann a healer then he just feigns death when he gets aggro 💀

flint tusk
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Well of course

short sparrow
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I wanted to make him heal me.. but also tank for me :p

flint tusk
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His dps sucked anyway not to mention his dps ai is some of the worst

balmy condor
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it was 10 per tick, now its 1

flint tusk
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So it’s basically token now 🤣

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balmy condor
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It was supposed to be equal to the energy per tick from venomous wounds

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Which was 8

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And it wasn’t really worth sniping at 8

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Until we looked closer

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And realized it was 10 because it used a hardcoded value from allllll the way back in WoD

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And at 10 it’s pretty worth sniping

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Which is why we got the whole “you should be sniping everything” in s2 and s3

analog field
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yeah I remember this conversation here about wod

balmy condor
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And blizzard didn’t like that

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So they took away the hard coded 10

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And made it the tick value

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Which is 3 in single target

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But when you’re sniping, it’s the value of a second target cause it’s a second rupture

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And that’s 1 per tick

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So it went from +25% bug to intended

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Which is 10 to 1

golden loom
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rest in peace sniping Sadge

lean plover
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Is there any change you would make to vw pookie?

balmy condor
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I’d make it 3-2-1

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Instead of 3-1

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It’s also still bugged and instead of 3-1 it’s going 3 in single target to 1-1 in aoe

lean plover
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Doesnt your first target go to 1 when you spread it?

balmy condor
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Which means you’re actually getting less energy in 2 target than in 1 target

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So

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That’s whack

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But that’s just a bug

lean plover
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Yeah thats bad

balmy condor
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And my understanding is that it’s supposed to be 3-1

lean plover
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Its less energy on 2t than 1 which makes no sense

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That has to be a bug

balmy condor
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Yeah I mean they’ll fix that

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Whatever

flint tusk
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They’ll fix that 😬

lean plover
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As long as pooling is good i cba about anything else

humble verge
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@coral ibex he became an actual bunny noooooooooooo

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short sparrow
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outside of not mashing your abilities as soon as the GCD is done, what's the trick to not running out of energy too quickly?

balmy condor
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There is no trick

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That’s just how it is

balmy condor
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You’re missing an average of 1.5 envenoms per minute in aoe

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Which like… yeah I guess bro

short sparrow
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I mean I try to wait like half a second / a second between abilities when i'm in envenom windows outside of Kingsbane being up which helps but pool drops pretty quickly

balmy condor
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Yep

lean plover
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We still force downtime for apex right?

balmy condor
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Yes

upper spear
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Ya i guess its giga nerfed because my shit barely moves lol

balmy condor
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Lust

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Cause like, if you’re close to energy cap, and you force downtime and end up wasting even a little bit of energy from the apex then what’s the fucking point right

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So if you’re like 70% energy or whatever

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And you’re maxed on apex

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Then yeah fire off another envenom

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And then drop it

lean plover
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Do you empty your energy before proccing apex then?

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Or when you are at like 40%

balmy condor
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As long as you’re not overcapping idc

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If you’re at 0% or 10% or 50% is whatever

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But like during lust youll probably just slam em

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Cause that’s a ton of bonus energy

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And forcing a 5-6 second envenom drop for apex when you’re already kinda flooded is just pointless

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The percent here is not the thing to focus on, rather should be just the idea that wasting energy = bad

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And proccing when you have energy to burn = waste

short sparrow
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apex is lvl 90 right?

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maxd

balmy condor
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You get various points as you level

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Think it’s uh

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82, 85, 88, 90?

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For spec tree

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Some shit like that

lean plover
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I see, thx pookie

balmy condor
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Np

short sparrow
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so how do we control proccing our apex?

lean plover
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Will there be a all you need to know about assa rogue video in midnight?

balmy condor
balmy condor
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So yes

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But differently

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Like instead of 3 hour assa guide

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It’ll be like 10 minute apex talent guide

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20 minute aoe guide

lean plover
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I guess you have to try to appeal to outlaw mains now too

balmy condor
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15 min talent discussion

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Lmao

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It’s just easier to do it that way

lean plover
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I know

balmy condor
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Both for me recording, but also the viewer

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And the algorithm likes frequent uploads

lean plover
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I figure editing and making a script for a 3 hour video is a lot

balmy condor
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When I don’t post for like 2 months and then post for a new season

lean plover
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With the pruning theres no way its 3 hours long

balmy condor
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It’s like my channel has to wake up first

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It’s very strange

lean plover
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Thats just algorithm

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Doesnt like inactive channels

balmy condor
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Ye

lean plover
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I look forward to pookie videos anyway

static glacier
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To be fair with you it’s strangely easy to get views if you Jam Pack your vid with relevant tags, atleast it worked back In legion, maybe the game was more alive then

lean plover
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Shorter videos means more videos hehehe

short sparrow
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bound to be an influx of people looking up how to play their class as the new exp kicks off

balmy condor
lean plover
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Easier thing would be making 25 tierlists per beta build

golden loom
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Youtube algo 10 years ago is probably insanely different compared to now

static glacier
balmy condor
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YouTube algo 1 year ago is insanely different

golden loom
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the algo litearlly knows my thoughts!

short sparrow
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if you need video ideas for the off season, just do a top ten transmogs for swimming

lean plover
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Ads make the rules

balmy condor
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They change the algo like every 3-4 months

lean plover
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Sponsors is the proper word i guess

balmy condor
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All of sudden like the min-max is 20-30 min, then it’s 15ish min

short sparrow
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youtube hates long form content

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which is a real shame

lean plover
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There was a time youtube was flooded with 10:01 videos

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For the algorithm

balmy condor
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Not algorithm, midroll ads

short sparrow
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and ads, i think you had to be over 10 mins to get ads or something

golden loom
balmy condor
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10 minute minimum for midroll ads

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But that’s 8 min now

lean plover
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I remember a video that was 7 minutes of cintent and 3 minutes were blsck🤣

balmy condor
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ask me how I know that it’s an 8 minute minimum

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warm vortex
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Skill issue

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should have been like the old whispyr
Yap more

golden loom
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the blackscreens were giga smart at some point cause it also drew infinite engagment having everyone comment about "wtf 3 min blackscreen???"

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its also why every tiktok/short mispronounce stuff on purpose

lean plover
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Could have added 3 minutes of whispyr drinking water

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Peak content

balmy condor
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On PURPOSE

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yes

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Its engagement bait

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Exactly

golden loom
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"look at this sick awsome vegeta added to fortnite!!!!"

balmy condor
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Yep

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True

golden loom
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coup de grace is legit free money tho

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just say it 10 times in a video and change how you say it every time

warm vortex
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"coop de graze"

golden loom
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cut the grass

lean plover
balmy condor
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Easy money hack: Mispronounce an obviously French word and farm engagement from the angry French in the comments that are going SACRE BLEU ZE AMERICAHN IZ DOING ZIT AGAINE!

lean plover
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Its cup da gra

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Make a real language then

golden loom
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Outlaw video and mispronounce the french words, holy moly its the Reverse Zac!!

lean plover
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Wdym poison is pronounced puason

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Pff

balmy condor
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Me and Zac on that ying yang type shit

static glacier
balmy condor
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I see outlaw change and I’m like AYO THAT SHIT GOATED

static glacier
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You think people have the attention span anymore?

lean plover
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Zac is very passionate about outlaw

balmy condor
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and then Zac sees outlaw change and goes AYO WHISPYR LIKES MY SPEC WE ARE FUCKED

short sparrow
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there is some incredibly popular long form content, so i do, but i imagine majority of visitors to the site prefer the short form stuff

static glacier
lean plover
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Peak outlaw channel was moot ragebaiting him

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But he was muted for like 10000 minutes

balmy condor
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It’s like that equal and opposite reaction that newton twink was yapping about or whatever

golden loom
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pretty sure that guy only talked about apples

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and not outlaw rogue

static glacier
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😭

lean plover
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26 is grandpa age, yes

balmy condor
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“When the apple falls, it like never goes up” - smartest man in the world btw

balmy condor
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Uncspyr

lean plover
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Grandspyr

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Uncle is for young people

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26 isnt young

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Thats like 2 whole years older than me

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Thats a lot

balmy condor
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Anything over 21 is pushing 30

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30 is hospice care

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40 is dead

golden loom
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27 is the new 20

lean plover
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30 is gaming from retirement home

lean plover
wooden basin
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what the helly

balmy condor
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Fudge played in league of legends worlds at 17, what did you do with yourself at 17

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Now you’re old as shit

golden loom
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I also played league at 17

lean plover
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Same

golden loom
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still play it at 27

balmy condor
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We all dad

golden loom
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still havent made worlds...

lean plover
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Im glad i dont anymore

balmy condor
lean plover
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That game majes me rage like ive never done it

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Got banned for mega flaming a french guy

balmy condor
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Level 20 Mundo top and just right click their fountain at 30 min

lean plover
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Lvl 20 mundo, 800 ad 12k hp

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Or worse, a lvl 6 ksante with nl items

golden loom
lean plover
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93% lose rate

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Is fucking impressive

golden loom
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sometimes you lose game

marsh fjord
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If you don’t lose you don’t improve

sick oyster
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hello guys figuring our assa after a long break. why is the second garrote in the opener extending the improved one?

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analog field
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You have 6 seconds where you can cast imp gar

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so just before the buff runs out you cast it again

sick oyster
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i see thanks!

midnight mist
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like your favorite spec is assa

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the spec i prolly hate the most in the entire game

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and suddenly you love outlaw

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something is wrong no ?

jolly stirrup
sick oyster
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do we ever press thistle tea or just see it as an auto energy procc?

static glacier
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It’s not even bottom apm or anything

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You ever wanted to channel 1 spell for like 7s at a time? Devastation awaits

lean plover
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You are assuming devastation is a real spec

midnight mist
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but casters arent real for me

lean plover
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Wasnt feral slower than assa?

golden loom
jolly stirrup
static glacier
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Similar kinda loop as outlaw with chasing cd uptime and cdr, less variety in buttons but being a mage allows illegal shit

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High apm on sunfury too

midnight mist
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i tried it

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but

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there were a few things i really hated about it

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particularly the way the procs are delayed with the birds

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cause you get the proc on landing instead of on pressing the spell

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and i really hate how there was no way to send the aoe ground thingy onto your target

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you had to mouseover it

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horrible for me

short sparrow
static glacier
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Fire on dimmy 💀

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They changed flamestrike I think but too little too late

midnight mist
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now you have to chose

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i would rather have a way to have 2 buttons

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and have a macro

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@cursor / @target instead

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cause in certain scenarios only being able to put the thing around your target is prolly very bad

static glacier
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For optimal gameplay sure, I just @cursor’d it but it made mouseovering other stuff for kicks etc while spamming it bad

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Ngl I wish they’d just give up on flamestrike forever

midnight mist
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yes but what i mean is that i want to have both

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main macro would be @ target

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and then you have a secondary @ cursor

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in case its needed

short sparrow
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which poisons should we be using? can't see anything on the guide

wicked valve
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we use DTB, dont we use all of them?

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except for the shitty pvp ones

short sparrow
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Deadly / Atrophic / Amp / Crippling

wicked valve
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its the year of our lord 2026, time to remove the 1hr buff for venoms

short sparrow
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100%. i thought they were doing something about that

wicked valve
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@balmy condor close down the discord untin poisons are permenant.

short sparrow
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or just make it one button press instant cast

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because other classes have 1 hour buffs they have to top up, so i don't mind it in that sense, but we have 4, they have a cast time, and our main finisher doesn't work without them 😭

slim estuary
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if I try out ass in pre patch will it be fairly similar to midnight or is it just all buggy and weird?

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I'm main shopping

coral jasper
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Whats our rotation for raid now guys?

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Still the same?

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Oh i see, its same like before just widout shiv and vanish

sick oyster
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do we want to actively watch thistle tea not to procc to have max charges going into mark / kb windows?

golden loom
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let that shit auto proc

vernal wind
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Is there a bug if you switch specs ? I switched in raid yesterday between outlaw / sub and when i switched to assa on fractilus literally my spells seem to do 0 dmg, only my autos were hitting lmfao

sick oyster
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@golden loom was thinking the same but sitting in kb window with 0 energy kinda not cool 🙁

golden loom
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I mean as long as you have envenom running it doesnt matter

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autoattacks are the biggest source of poison procs so as long as you have energy for envenom thats all that matters

golden loom
vernal wind
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no 😂

sick oyster
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ok nice thanks. also just saw the talent that rewards clipping envenoms. feels like clipping agonizing poison back in the days FeelsGoodMan

coral ibex
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mut mut env

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kb at 1m

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dm at 2

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literally no opti at lvl 80 it seems

visual sun
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you can ponder on going sub in between mut

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gotta maximize downtime

quaint spindle
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I've been out of town and unable to play. How is assa feeling rn?

jolly stirrup
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Ass

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AoE is fun

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ST is just. Bleh

quaint spindle
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That seems to be the general consensus with most specs since they dumbed everything down tho

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Glad aoe is fun cus I m+ mainly

jolly stirrup
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Spreading bleeds with CT is fun, no need to go invis anymore is a huge w

quaint spindle
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Yeah massive W

midnight atlas
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go envenom soup

nova kelp
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pity about the deathstalkers mark

dense kernel
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i feel like im 24/7 out of energy

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the first 20 sec are fun but after i feel uterly useless

vital crown
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what interface option is the one that allows me to see what poison I have on targets? I can see garrote and rupture but nth else

royal lantern
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just as a question: why would you even need that in the first place

like, if you fight an enemy for 1 second, they have all poisons trought auto attacks

nova kelp
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weird, is it a gear thing? or just an expectation thing?

I feel like my energy is w/e

vital crown
subtle kiln
vital crown
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or that too

subtle kiln
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EasyReminders

dense kernel
nova kelp
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idk how much haste I have, I don't think it's a lot but I'm maxed out gear wise

royal lantern
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it has nothing to do with haste

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lol

nova kelp
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maybe that's the diff idk - I definitely don't feel like a big suffer

royal lantern
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its literally just

do you have weapon poisons applied

nova kelp
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but yeah haste won't do much

royal lantern
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if yes, thats just assa speed

dense kernel
royal lantern
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assa always slows down after cd's

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🤷‍♂️

nova kelp
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I think it's really just an expectation thing tbh

dense kernel
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did it feel to u at all that the speed changed ?

nova kelp
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I don't really feel like I'm "omg so giga slow"

subtle kiln
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Welcome to being old

nova kelp
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actually you know where I DO feel like that

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outlaw

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outlaw feels like a snail compared to before lol

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but it's better so idk

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idc*

dense kernel
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damn prob a skill issue on my side than

royal lantern
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maybe 1-2 apm slower or something like that

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but thats something you cant even really notice lol

dense kernel
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hm maybe i was playing to fast over all for the spec before and getting punished for it now lmao

royal lantern
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if anything, it feels like as if the initial energy on fight starts is higher, so it takes longer until the drought phases start

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atleast for me

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could also just be me being lucky with crits and blindside procs

dense kernel
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I mean that the drought last longer

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u can pump really hard and can do nearly nothing as soon as the drought starts

royal lantern
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tbf, thats just assa overall

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its a 2min burst spec afterall

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the stuff bettwen those 2min bursts is more on the Meh side

nova kelp
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it SHOULD get a little better when we get our apex talents too

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so long as they get the balancing right

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if it goes well we get automated pooling, which is kinda cool

charred obsidian
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I like the dots so i dont mind the downtime all that much lol

dense kernel
royal lantern
nova kelp
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should

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emphasis on should

dense kernel
royal lantern
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would be horrible if it was different tbh

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cus like

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then they would gate all of the gameplay behind max level

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which is allready fucking with shitvour DH OMEGAKEKW

nova kelp
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mate

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devourer is so fun

royal lantern
tall jay
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anyone got a good SenseiClassResource Profile for us?

royal lantern
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our DH on devourer

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nova kelp
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like yeah they have 3 buttons

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but the whole scaling fight dealio is cool

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like old shadowpriest

royal lantern
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oh man

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that will totally not create problems

nova kelp
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lol yeah

royal lantern
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and result in them having to complettely rework that

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right????

nova kelp
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the delta between goods and bads will be insane

royal lantern
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not like as if they JUST REMOVED IT FROM DEVESTATION EVOKER 5MONTHS AGO

nova kelp
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they removed it from spriest for the same reaso9n

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the difference between the median spriest and the top end was like 300%

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rofl

subtle kiln
nova kelp
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there was a dude in guild earlier confused as to why people talk about doing more than 1 star in each meta "coz it's impossible"

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I'm like "?eh I'm trying to work on consistent 3"

royal lantern
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cus you spend all the time ramping dmg up and getting balanced around having 200000% uptime on your CD windows

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and when you cant have that, it all falls appart

nova kelp
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yeah it kinda has the outlaw problem, downtime and short burst fights ar eballls

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if you can maintain combat it's gucci

charred obsidian
nova kelp
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but that's a doozy of a requirement

green bison
royal lantern
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3 buttons is still 1 more button then sub has

charred obsidian
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I only have 1 brain. I can only do 1 thing.

static glacier
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Another day

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Already 9k steps

static glacier
subtle kiln
mortal drum
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isnt there the thing that lets you hold to cast

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tell him to tape down his consume key lol

static glacier
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Grinding wrathion rep

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That shit hurt my hands

subtle kiln
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I struggled with fury until I got my binds better to have some more flow

static glacier
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After like 5-6 hrs of constant combat

subtle kiln
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Then it was chill

static glacier
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I think it has to do with binds

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For me outlaw got painful

mortal drum
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yeah i had to stop playing after season 1 of tww from outlawing too hard

static glacier
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More recently playing sv in p1 broodkeeper myth

mortal drum
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im back reformed as assa

static glacier
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With all the harpoon off the gcd resets

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Hurt my hand

golden loom
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thats me progging 500 combined pulls of NK and dimmy on fury

static glacier
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Gg blizz fucking rogue couldn’t even do boss dmg to the point that my alt simmed a lot higher

subtle kiln
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I swapped to fury on demon hunters

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We had 2 rogues and we lost our prot war

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the sim dps was hilarious

wooden basin
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That fight was so shitty. Made me mad every week

static glacier
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Genuinely

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Whoever designed that fight hates melee

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It’s insane how different the fight feels

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When I boosted it on Hunter (had to play range, normally sv) it’s the freest shit

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You’re just in narnia bing chilling, you soak puddles and that’s it

severe meadow
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Wdym I love randomly getting clipped by 17 green lines because I can’t fucking see the ground due to spells

royal lantern
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man

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like on one hand its good that sub got made simpler

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but THIS sub is legit way too far

static glacier
lethal arrow
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is sub literally a 1 button class now lol

zenith elm
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no

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2 buttons

lethal arrow
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i didnt even bother testing it after seeing the buttons that got removed

zenith elm
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maybe 4 sometimes lol

lethal arrow
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waoh

zenith elm
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sub is now the easiest spec of rogue

wanton spear
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2 buttons using macro's or just 2 buttons?

zenith elm
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just 2 buttons

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and when you get mini cds, you press 2 other buttons once

spice surge
wanton spear
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i assume assa is having scaling issues like it always does?

spice surge
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Scaling issues is not a thing

wanton spear
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so base dmg isn't extremely low then? i havn't touched pre patch, i don't have enough trust in blizzard to go near anything for at least a week after major patches

spice surge
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Not based damage either

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Prepatch assa damage is low yes

midnight atlas
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dmg is irelevant right now, still a lot of bugs and tuning stuff happening.

feel and gameplay of a spec is what matters

wanton spear
#

have they said anything about addressing the terrible placement locations in the assa tree? or is that just what we're stuck with

#

like psn talents gating bleed and bleed gating psn etc

runic hinge
#

scaling is fake because if something is undertuned they just aura buff it, they dont make you scale more with agi

#

there's no, oh now you get 10% more attack power with each point of agility so you scale, its just okay this spec is low it does 7% more damage now

wanton spear
#

blanket buffs/nerf's just feel lazy

runic hinge
#

sometimes

#

Do I wish blizz would tune individual talents and make things more attractive to take to maybe shake up our talent trees? sometimes, but i realize its a lot eaasier to say "assa rogue needs to be doing 10% more damage to catch up, here's a 10% aura enjoy"

wanton spear
runic hinge
#

maybe

wanton spear
#

i'm still trying to figure out what the incentive is for people to even bring us, like what do we do better than other classes now?

whole dome
#

Best spec rn

#

?

runic hinge
#

execute

wanton spear
#

idk, just feels like as rogues, we are always iceskating uphill vs other classes as far as utility and being one of the few pure damage classes.

earnest remnant
#

in any meaningful progress you will almost always have 1 rogue just purely for atrophic, rogue is never really tuned bad enough for it to not be worth to have that extra little bit of DR in the raid

wanton spear
proven jasper
#

why would they

spice surge
#

Im surprised they massively buffed warlock curses but didnt touch numbing

#

Or well, surprised might be the wrong word

#

Its strange

wanton spear
#

i don't play a healer, and my guilds healers didn't really notice a huge difference with one the rogues in raid vs not in raid for healing difficulty

winged sun
#

Numbing is already super powerful in keys

#

Curses were underused

spice surge
#

Well yeah but now curses are aoe

earnest remnant
spice surge
#

And they have a cd that makes it an ultra curse

nova aspen
#

numbing also doesn't require gcd's

earnest remnant
#

its all about perception

spice surge
#

100% longer casttime

earnest remnant
#

of it being "mandatory"

winged sun
wanton spear
winged sun
#

Aoe curse empowerment?

spice surge
#

(its still aoe)

winged sun
#

Ayo

#

No way

#

??

#

Top one alone is already crazy

#

Wtf is that design LMAO

#

thats so busted

nova aspen
#

2min cd is nuts

#

thats up every other pack in high keys

winged sun
#

Ah its a cd

#

Its fine then

wanton spear
#

-10% crit is kinda high jesus

winged sun
#

Nah its a cd

spice surge
#

Thats irrelevant in pve

winged sun
#

Its fine i thought its perma

#

Its rather useless if its a talent point

spice surge
#

I mean its still insane

winged sun
#

Yea sounds like a pvp talent only

spice surge
#

??

winged sun
#

Wdym by ?

wanton spear
#

don't tanks get crit midigation talents

proven jasper
spice surge
#

2 min cd to make a pack do nothing for 12 seconds

winged sun
#

It doesnt do nothing

earnest remnant
spice surge
#

Yea

winged sun
#

It still casts

earnest remnant
#

p2 adds

winged sun
#

U have to interrupt it eitherway

#

Its useless

spice surge
#

Yeah but their casts are 7 seconds long

winged sun
#

Melee attacks are irrelevant if its a cd

#

Every warlock will use it at the wrong time

#

Even in premades

wanton spear
#

i mean true, 7 second cast turned into 14 second cast is kinda rough

proven jasper
#

🤣

wanton spear
#

3 warlocks in raid with that, 30 seconds of 100% cast time seems kinda big

agile mason
#

In AOE when Imp Garrote isn't available, is it a dps loss to line up 2 garrotes ahead of bleeds falling off so that Rupture and Garrote timers are lined up and CT replicates them evenly to the rest of the mobs?

spice surge
#

It doesnt stack with itself

winged sun
#

Sounds fine in raid in in-organized raids

spice surge
#

Or well, it shouldnt

royal lantern
wanton spear
winged sun
#

Nah its just 2.5 sec cast into 5 which you’ll interrupt eitherway

spice surge
#

But true

wanton spear
royal lantern
#

crits are not really a thing in PvE against players

winged sun
#

U sure?

wanton spear
#

i'm fairly certain i've watched our mt die to chained crit rng

proven jasper
#

p sure tanks would freak out if they were were randomly dying from crits

winged sun
#

In 90% sure u get critted

royal lantern
#

did they turn their back to the enemy

winged sun
#

Actually 100%

#

Doesnt matter

#

U still get critted i think

wanton spear
#

so they can get crit but they can stack chance to avoid being crit.

winged sun
#

I remember dying to crit melee atk’s on my dk back then

#

DRW not proccing

#

I mean idk whats their % of crit

wanton spear
#

druids particularly have the huge health pools to make up for less chance to avoid i think

winged sun
#

Its quite decent tho but in a caster comp u wont have a squishy tank usually, but the meta will change

#

On how m+ is being played

wanton spear
#

can we still use target count/in range weak auras or were those axed

proven jasper
#

bdk player just said in retail the only way you get crit is turning back or sitting down etc

wanton spear
#

so apperently details can get tricked into thinking something is a crit if the hit is large enough, but it does say in retail the only way for a tank to be crit is sitting or laying down. even turning your back you are still immune

winged sun
#

Ye i just asked a r1 tank he told me u cant get crit meleed

proven jasper
#

ye thought so

winged sun
#

Unless the mob is spanking ur ass ofc

proven jasper
#

that would be cringe af

winged sun
#

But still i think no crits whatsoever

#

So its purely pvp based

#

I think even behind doesnt work, u gotta sit

raw gull
#

!UI

prisma monolithBOT
#

Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.

For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:

latent kernel
#

so our ST is still buns right

severe meadow
#

It was a bit low in m+ as well

#

Especially with bosses dying so quick, getting not much value in execute

royal lantern
#

like, big pulls in m+ would be impossible with that, sometimes 10 enemys would hit the tank like its 20 if many crits would happen on them

proven jasper
#

Crit reduction stopped in like cata i wanna say

#

i think thats when they did the defensive changes

balmy condor
# midnight mist something is wrong no ?

So usually when other people like assa, for example amirdrassil when everyone played with the tier set and was enjoying the rework and stuff, I’m happy that they’re having fun

#

Regardless of what they played before that

midnight mist
#

i mean thats not what im saying

#

just saying if you enjoy it its normal i wont

#

or the usual outlaw players wont

#

you know the last time i liked assa

#

was on jailer

#

with the set

#

where it was super fast

#

remember

balmy condor
#

That’s not necessarily true I think, like we can probably both agree that outlaw is most fun when it doesn’t have forced energy downtime

midnight mist
#

yes

#

it does have forced energy downtime rn tho

#

so idk what you mean

balmy condor
#

Yes

#

And I don’t like that

latent kernel
#

maybe im missing something, but the new tierset, what is the garrote applying poisons supposed to do, is that even impactful?

midnight mist
#

ah ok you just mean in general

#

yes

royal lantern
#

lmao

#

thats borderline flavor text

balmy condor
#

Like yes I enjoy outlaw and you don’t like the changes, but I’m saying like it doesn’t have to be a direct “everything I like is what you hate”, cause we can agree on a lot of things I think

latent kernel
midnight mist
#

i would enjoy this version of outlaw with not much changed

#

i legit just want ace to actually be ace

#

full cp refund

#

and have infininte energy

#

then im mostly good

royal lantern
#

thats kinda what it is

latent kernel
#

dude and meanwhile sub's tierset is just straight damage increase, thank god we get poison applied tho right

balmy condor
#

I don’t need them to enjoy the spec, but if they changed that, it would be better

proven jasper
latent kernel
proven jasper
royal lantern
#

why are we dooming about shity tiersets now allready

coral ibex
#

nothing better to do prob

balmy condor
#

S3 tier sets were 16-20%

#

S1 tier sets are like 5-8%

#

Mad.

humble verge
#

some kind soul commented on my dimmy kill, and i didnt even know 😭

image.png
#

i answered him now

royal lantern
#

so better

#

im mad now

proven jasper
#

Anyone else wondering why the stamina numbers are like 100x as big as all our other stats

royal lantern
#

cus stamina often gets inflated when blizz tries to bring healing in line

proven jasper
#

“Tries” garf_sit

humble verge
#

jesus christ

#

i forgot how loud my kb was when i was streaming 😭

balmy condor
royal lantern
humble verge
balmy condor
#

Testing rn brb

haughty flicker
winged sun
vague niche
#

hello! Do we need to track fatebound coin flips for some kind of optimization?

ionic kiln
#

Nope.

sullen topaz
#

btw, do it just feel like i deal no dmg compared to others as assa and im bad, or did it change that badly compared to last week?

coral ibex
#

spec does no damage rn

sullen topaz
short pine
#

has single target rotation changed bc my damage is horrible

#

i always get aoe down and my single target is shit

royal lantern
#

assa is just undertuned in prepatch

balmy condor
#

Counterpoint

#

Can something be undertuned if there’s no tuning

short pine
#

how are people doing normal damage

#

and im doing like

#

30k burst at max

royal lantern
royal lantern
#

its prepatch

#

who cares

#

mythic raidbosses die in under 2min lmao

balmy condor
#

Yo that graph is sick

#

Like get it a doctor

short pine
#

unholy needs a buff

balmy condor
#

But yeah

#

Clown patch

short pine
#

guess ill get on beta

balmy condor
#

Like that’s going to be better?

royal lantern
#

like, the UI bugs we had yesterday

balmy condor
#

What’s the idea behind that

royal lantern
#

and every 4min somebody crashing

#

actually insane

#

after soulhunters everyone had a random DH Sigil debuff in the raidframes

short pine
royal lantern
#

including people that where not inside the raid

short pine
#

regardless of whether shits not tuned people are still doing more then me and beta has more changes

#

then

#

prepatch obv

#

im doing dookie anyway

severe meadow
balmy condor
#

There’s gotta be some social commentary about social inequality creating generation trauma caused by systemic unfairness somewhere in this

severe meadow
short pine
balmy condor
#

Something something other people are ahead of me without doing anything different just because my class is a different color than them

jaunty notch
#

how can I wake up ? I'm in a dream right ? there is not way this fucking update is real

short pine
jaunty notch
#

give me my whyspir weakaura back I beg

short zodiac
#

Crab mentality

severe meadow
short pine
#

not other classes...

severe meadow
#

Class stuff is a meme in these times

balmy condor
#

Other rogues ain’t doin shit for dam either

#

I played assa and was 15th

short pine
#

well yeah but im doin worse

jaunty notch
balmy condor
#

Out of 16

short pine
#

pulling a solid 20k

balmy condor
#

Yes

severe meadow
#

Haven’t even enabled that cursed ass manager

zenith cedar
jaunty notch
wanton spear
severe meadow
#

Rogues can’t count

royal lantern
jaunty notch
#

I can play with base UI, I just hate when I am forced to change the way I used to play since forever

#

I hate change, especially when it come to UI

#

why is my personnal comfort is getting fucked for whatever reason ?

wanton spear
#

i litterly used weak auras for target count & out of range

jaunty notch
#

I guess paying 1 gazillions euro to play this game wasnt enough

zenith cedar
jaunty notch
mint urchin
jaunty notch
#

this was peak

#

the only weakaura I needed

#

and they took it from me

zenith cedar
#

you can literally make your UI look like that without much difficulty lol

severe meadow
mint urchin
#

Gross tea

jaunty notch
#

no, you can replicate a shitty version of that

#

I can't have it 100% like it was

zenith cedar
mint urchin
#

You don't need it 100% like that

zenith cedar
#

like come on lol

severe meadow
#

Why can’t you center that bottom bar

mint urchin
#

You don't need to track tea or envenom

severe meadow
#

God it triggers me

jaunty notch
#

are you being dead serious ?

zenith cedar
#

I just set this up

jaunty notch
#

this is not the same bro xd

mint urchin
#

Or caustic

zenith cedar
#

its literaslly the same

balmy condor
#

I mean, looks the same to me

zenith cedar
#

youre being dramatic

wanton spear
jaunty notch
#

I don't like change thats it

balmy condor
#

Two envenom stacks are gone, shiv, caustic, cold blood, tea

#

It’s identical

zenith cedar
#

they just took buttons away

balmy condor
zenith cedar
#

trust it is centered in fatebound idk what button goes away in Deathstalker lol

image.png
zenith cedar
severe meadow
#

Tricks

balmy condor
#

Was afraid you’d say that

zenith cedar
#

yeah working with what i got rn

crude helm
severe meadow
#

Bro copied me

balmy condor
#

If I could get the resource bars like that without downloading elvuiLite

mint urchin
balmy condor
#

Then we’d be good

balmy condor
#

But I don’t wanna

zenith cedar
#

its ok -- it will work for now

image.png
proven jasper
#

sensei resource manager

#

Trust

mint urchin
balmy condor
wanton spear
zenith cedar
#

the real meta is finding the class with the lowest one button rotation DPS delta and riding that through the entire expansion

wanton spear
static glacier
#

Ima just import luxthos and forget about it, CBA with hours on ui

robust axle
#

Luxthos xd

static glacier
#

Ever since SL elvui bricked performance I’ve just been stripping back as much as I can

crude helm
wanton spear
zenith cedar
mint urchin
proven jasper
static glacier
# robust axle Luxthos xd

Luxthos isn’t even my favourite rogue cd tracker, it’s just that he had good enough WAs that I would use on alts

haughty flicker
#

im just using the resource bars from better cdm atm

#

works well enough

zenith cedar
#

the best rogue tracker was Rogue Power Bars dont come for me

static glacier
#

Idk about you guys but I think my friends that handmade their ui and stress on patch day are scamming themselves

balmy condor
#

better cdm?

static glacier
#

When their shit breaks every time

wanton spear
#

slice commander was goated back in the day, along with doom cooldown pulse

zenith cedar
haughty flicker
#

twintops resource bar is one ive seen talked about a bit too, but mainly for spriest

#

idk how good it is for rogue

#

it also might be a bit overcooked

balmy condor
#

okay maybe we use better cdm then

static glacier
restive merlin
#

I do miss my Elkano's bars for bleeds and combo points on name plates

mint urchin
#

Having to get like 10 different addons for that is annoying

zenith cedar
wanton spear
zenith cedar
#

i don't think this is anywhere near the final iteration of the default UI and so I am genuinely interested in what it will look like in the future

jaunty notch
wanton spear
#

i just deleted all my addons, and am just gonna start with a tournament style ui build

jaunty notch
#

IT LOOK DECENT

zenith cedar
#

all things considered I'm kind of impressed with what they have built so far

lime onyx
#

If you don’t like a certain addon, just vibe code another. I scraped together an addon that makes my combo point meter glow when I have 5 + point yesterday in 30 mins

wanton spear
crude helm
jaunty notch
#

aight I'm testing that

#

thanks

zenith cedar
#

@balmy condor do you know if there is a limit to how many times we want to spread bleeds with CT, e.g. max stacks of scent of blood? Or are the bleeds themselves worth enough to do it infintitely?

balmy condor
#

you bleed until everything has bleeds

zenith cedar
#

what if im bleeding too

short pine
#

keep going

#

pause

balmy condor
#

periods are the worst

#

6ft tall btw

zenith cedar
balmy condor
#

I'm always on top

#

my opps nonbinary, thinkin they them

#

fr

haughty flicker
jaunty notch
crude helm
#

no

#

bettercdm as well

#

power bar/2ndry power bar

zenith cedar
#

you might not realize it but this was the peak of rogue tracking addons

image.png
balmy condor
zenith cedar
#

many a 100 parse put up with those bad boys, decidedly pre weak aura days however

warm vortex
jaunty notch
#

@crude helm thanks bro

thorn thorn
#

Bro is literally shakespeare

jaunty notch
#

still far from what I want

image.png
#

but it look better now

humble verge
#

@thorn thorn i see some other girl at the gym now

thorn thorn
#

Do not.

zenith cedar
humble verge
#

another diamond in the rough

jaunty notch
thorn thorn
jaunty notch
#

for exemple, on rupture I was used to see the % of agility I was getting in AoE

#

when you combine every small details it's very different, even if it's not a thing anymore

#

it like just

latent kernel
#

is poison bomb bugged on the wow dmg meter, not seeing it listed as a source of damage??

jaunty notch
#

idk maybe tism hitting up when it come to my comfort UI

#

the yellow shit when a spell is in cooldown also bother me

#

also garrote, on whyspir WA you had the cooldown of the spell + the cooldown of the debuff on the target

blazing totem
#

now you dont only need to worry about applying them but also crafting enough before raid!

mint urchin
cunning fern
coral ibex
#

tea procs automatically
shiv isn’t a rotational ability anymore

#

you don’t have to track them

#

in fact you shouldn’t, it’s just wasting space

mint urchin
#

Tea also lost its mastery so literally no reason to pay any attention

polar rampart
#

ive still been pressing shiv in kb anyway

#

ill smack myself with a rubber band

tall jay
#

anyone have a good raid party frame? Danders is throwing so many errors for me

jaunty notch
balmy condor
tall jay
#

default?

#

😄

mint urchin
#

You are playing rogue, may as well just disable it!

balmy condor
humble verge
severe meadow
static glacier
severe meadow
zenith cedar
severe meadow
#

I have no addons currently and I’m free

#

Will probably get something for unit frames because blizzards default one is really bad imo

woven ruin
#

@zenith cedar I still used those til last week!

full summit
#

I just did AoE on a dummy

#

and im so confused but understand at the same time

keen gull
#

Did they get rid of the talent where Garrote stuns out of Stealth or am I just blind?

mint urchin
#

Garrote stuns?

#

You mean silence?

keen gull
#

I feel like it used to stun when used to break stealth, but I might be mistaken

#

Oh no you know what, I'm thinking of feral druid lmao. Ignore me.

haughty flicker
#

rake op

jaunty notch
runic hinge
haughty flicker
runic hinge
#

First you’re gonna shred. Then you’re gonna bite

royal lantern
halcyon crypt
#

hi ym loved one i just come back to the game after a break from it and did some dungeons and this was the overall.is good or bad

image.png
balmy condor
#

how much dps?

#

that's overall damage, which doesn't really say anything

halcyon crypt
#

was dungeon floodgate 14

#

just to reequit the char

balmy condor
#

that's still the overall damage

#

looking for this

#

but that breakdown seems reasonable yes

halcyon crypt
#

ho ok

balmy condor
#

yeah that looks okay

halcyon crypt
#

this new stuff got me kinda confused

latent kernel
#

Does yours show your poison bomb damage?

halcyon crypt
#

let me see it

#

no

latent kernel
#

I’m pretty sure the meter just adds the poison bomb damage into some other thing

halcyon crypt
#

dosent show poison bomb

proven jasper
#

Its probably combined into envenom

latent kernel
#

That’s what I was thinking

proven jasper
#

Considering you cant see what damage does what rn i wouldnt be surprised if thats the case

latent kernel
#

But I was just curious bc I wanted to know what % it was doing and I couldn’t find it lol

#

I thought I was tweaking out

proven jasper
latent kernel
#

I just ended up looking at logs and seeing

#

But it’s weird it doesn’t display that

proven jasper
#

logs will tell you yeah

#

its all broken rn

latent kernel
#

Spaghetti

proven jasper
#

details probably wont either

halcyon crypt
#

thanks guys

latent kernel
#

You should try sin rogue in other dungeons, FG tends to be great for it, I find my numbers highly inflated in there compared to other keys

#

To get a proper feel

#

Feels completely different in something like streets bc of relatively low pull counts barring the mail room

halcyon crypt
#

ty for the tips ass well this discord is aways amazing to me,love for you all guys

graceful mist
#

any point in having thistle tea on my bar

#

looks like it doesnt give mastery anymore?

fleet pagoda
#

thistle tea's been an out of sight, out of mind button for a bit. you can ignore it

graceful mist
#

I have a very hot take

#

im just using 3 addons for what weakauras did alone

#

W blizzard

fleet pagoda
#

whatever your comfort zone is I reckon. I'm down to, like, simcraft, TRP, and better blizz frames personally

balmy condor
#

I'm using 1

#

and it's not even weakauras really

#

it's a reskin for the personal resource display

graceful mist
#

name of the addon?

runic hinge
#

Senseiclassresourceaddon

#

Or something like that

#

It’s also the only addon I’m using just cause blizz combo points are so ugly

#

Off center

fallow canopy
#

2 addons, still want to see if there's a way to change the bars a little bitt

image.png
buoyant herald
#

which CDM is that

#

been trying to get default to be acceptable but there's just a few things that drive me nuts still

graceful mist
#

got it to this state

image.png
plain hawk
#

Looks nice 😇

fallow canopy
halcyon crypt
buoyant herald
#

ah bummer, id been using arcui but it was too buggy so i dropped it

grave trail
little ginkgo
#

assa actually feels good to play

mint urchin
#

People love tracking tea and shiv

severe meadow
#

People tracking that genuinely pisses you off huh

mint urchin
#

Nah they are free people

#

Let them track it all they like

royal lantern
#

i mean, tracking stuff you dont need to track is just cluttering your screen for no reason

#

so idk why you would do it

mint urchin
#

But at that point why even make a UI, you could just put your action bars in the middle

severe meadow
#

I do agree, no reason to but

#

At the end of the day it’s their gameplay xd

haughty flicker
#

I mean tea sure

#

But shiv is still a utility button to track even if you dont do the deathstalker min max

severe meadow
#

I do still track tea personally

#

Shiv is whatever now

mint urchin
haughty flicker
#

Mfw rogues complain about no utility then won't track what little utility they have

mint urchin
#

And just a ghost in the sim

haughty flicker
royal lantern
#

legit had to search for it

haughty flicker
#

thats what a min max tends to be yes

#

but also like i said its legit still a utility button lmao

#

why wouldnt you track it

#

it might be a shit soothe but its still a soothe

severe meadow
#

I’m there to look cute, not have utility

#

Shiv on my bars still, just not a bind I ever use

golden loom
haughty flicker
#

ok well that was just your guild trolling you

golden loom
lethal arrow
#

lines up with cds too

royal lantern
#

its a level of minmaxing i wont borther with

haughty flicker
#

i wont bother because i wont be playing deathstalker

#

(i wont be playing rogue either but ignore that bit)

golden loom
lethal arrow
#

i mean uh yeah

#

GRRR shiv was cringe to press!

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I hated it

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so glad its gone and now there is even less skill expression

golden loom
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I did like arterial and also I liked dry shiv

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Shiv on fatebound felt kinda whatever tbf

haughty flicker
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giga darkest night envenoms with dry shiv