assassination

[coral ibex]

i love doing tank damage

[spice surge]

Blizzard

[coral ibex]

[elfin flame]

i like bleed assa

but

my bleeds don't do enough dam

[golden loom]

[red schooner]

Bring back exsanguinate

My beloved

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor its not in the pins so im gonna ping you

you think its worth going caustic+CT now instead of Caustic+PB for Raid stuff where you gonna cleave a bit more in general

[nova aspen]

hello shindig

u handsome man

[royal lantern]

or that its more of an "just manual dot a 2nd or 3rd target" angle

[golden loom]

the raid cleave build runs all 3?

[royal lantern]

tbf, wanna kinda know at what point its gonna be worth it to go full cleave with all 3, and when its more the "just go ST build with some minor passive cleave stuff" talents

[hearty seal]

stupid prepatch questions time because I'm either blind or nobody thought to put it in the FAQ
is 21k DPS in ST doing okay for prepatch? what's the average numbers people are doing?

[golden loom]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-usando-óculos-olhando-julgando-sério-judging-gif-1265955993997475896

im not reading you nerd

i wanna ping the catboy

[golden loom]

time for him to record a voice message

[atomic creek]

Is there a raid training dummy that isn't constantly sitting below 35% hp?

[nova aspen]

there are dummys directly above the dummy courtyard

on like those two pillars

people usually forget about them

[royal lantern]

WTB Training dummy for your Housing Plot

[latent kernel]

if i joined a heroic group and there was a guy with the bugged timewalking gear who solo'd the boss, could i get banned? didn't know he had it until the fight started

[normal mist]

No

[whole sand]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-believe-it-or-not-believe-it-or-not-jail-parks-and-rec-gif-3275634010746838096

[light goblet]

Any good Ui Pack out here for now ?

[analog field]

i dont think anyone will get banned for anything at this point no one gives a damn

[weary stump]

Druids roleplaying as beavers give a dam.. I'm sorry

[humble verge]

hes not autistic, hes a billonaire philantropic with friends he care about frfr

bodybuilder too

[jolly stirrup]

Damn we also dont need to vanish anymore, what happened to my class

in the opener*

[weary stump]

Are you saying he's Mr boss from smiling friends

[plush isle]

35 to 15 seems pretty harsh

[humble verge]

something something

[analog field]

any point in using platynator over plater?

[nova aspen]

if you prefer to customize your own nameplates, platynator is way easier to use

if you just want to import something, plater is ideal

[analog field]

ok , with default ui we dont see poisons on nameplate, but with plater we see them. Is there a way to hide them on plater?

[nova aspen]

in the buff tracking section, you can add debuffs to the blacklist, but yesterday it was bugged and not working for me

[analog field]

ueah they said in midnight we won t be able to blackilist

that's why i am asking

[nova aspen]

ohh

then not sure there lol

[weary stump]

I just use vanilla ui and no plater like a psychopath

[subtle tundra]

meow

[nova aspen]

i will have to use something else then

cuz the 20 debuffs that sin applies will get annoying on 20 nameplates

in a pack

[analog field]

i guess it will be fixed by midnight in some way or another

[subtle tundra]

false

you will understand nothing and enjoy it

[nova aspen]

[paper sail]

I can't for the life of me figure out why the standard blizz plates had an option to show CP and now they don't. 🤯

Otherwise I would just use them

[weary stump]

I just have my cp and character portrait near my action bar to see it, formerly used the class weakaura for it though

But enemy plates all I care about seeing is who I need to kick or stun nearby (I also don't do super high keys though, only 10-12s)

Between that and mythic raid I never had an issue with vanilla setup

[paper sail]

Also this is driving me nuts, I can't see dmg from Kingsbane ticking as in no SCT for it, am I just fucked up or is it like that?

[digital venture]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.

For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:

• Blizzard HUD
• Blizzard CDM

[jolly stirrup]

is there any way to disable the standart Character window?

[paper sail]

No one??

[scarlet orbit]

I think sct stands for scrolling combat text but that kind of stuff is for now not possible anymore

[jade abyss]

there is no need to track spatter anymore?

[runic hinge]

No. It’ll just always be up when you envenom or kb

Which tbh is my favorite change of the patch I think

Having to muti in aoe felt super bad. Especially cause it was so often

[wooden basin]

Yeah no, mutilating in AoE was complete dog shit

Assa got such a QoL glow up

[severe meadow]

For the most part, mark is still dookie

If not worse than before

[runic hinge]

I haven’t touched deathstalker and probably won’t unless it’s decently far ahead

[severe meadow]

I want to say it’s slightly behind FB anyway

But both did fairly dog shit damage for me last night xd

FB felt good in m+

[runic hinge]

Yeah Assa probably undertuned rn but it’s prepatch what can you do

[severe meadow]

We did get a little buff but caustic got shot understandably

It was doing a lot of damage in the tests I did

[wooden basin]

DS is fried for sure

FB feels better in almost every scenario

[fresh coyote]

Anyone got any solution to the shitty bleed debuff timers being red and very annoying/hard to see?

[solar wyvern]

!rik

Its... gone

💔

[gleaming geyser]

danders frames or senseiressourceclassbar offer that option if you already use them for other things

[jolly stirrup]

Oh I do have sensei

[gleaming geyser]

in edit mode, on the HP bar, tick ''hide blizzard''

or something similar to that

[jolly stirrup]

You are

the king

[safe tapir]

Are you still playing assa in raid atm? Or you think there is a better spec?

[coral ibex]

i aint raiding until midnight

[lethal turtle]

based

aint playing until midnight

[severe meadow]

Sub felt okay, assa is a bit undertuned atm

Was averaging 12-14th as assa, played only FB

[safe tapir]

Same in M+?

[severe meadow]

I did fairly well in a 10 I tested as FB

This was the overall for it

[wicked valve]

Call me crazy but id rather underperform in pre patch so we get buffs going into Midnight. Overperfoming specs gonna be sad when they get the nerf hammer in a few weeks.

[severe meadow]

Boss damage was a bit low but cleave felt pretty good with the new CT

[wicked valve]

Yeah! Spreading bleeds with CT outside of stealth was amazing. And its only 60 energy. I could have sworn it started at 100

[obsidian thorn]

Everyone having fun with assassination so far? I am going to log in and try it out during lunch

[severe meadow]

I like how it plays but it’s just not doing that much damage atm but we got a lot of tuning to go

[obsidian thorn]

Yeah I saw that above

If the over tuned get nerfed maybe more in line?

[obsidian thorn]

Regardless of if we get buffed

[severe meadow]

This was Araz

100 parse and at the bottom xd

[obsidian thorn]

Oh damn

[severe meadow]

Granted there was only like, 25ish parses on it

I’m kinda dog shit at sub for the most part but it was doing more damage

[obsidian thorn]

I just like dots 😭

[severe meadow]

And with the stat squish I’m not sure how important their haste breakpoints are / other stats but I am not geared for sub

[obsidian thorn]

Don’t think I’ll swap

[long oak]

Blizzard kill rogué assa 🙁

[royal lantern]

how do you notice its prepatch?

people go crazy over "balance"

more then ussual

[thorn thorn]

Sick 100 broski

[severe meadow]

Thanks pookie it was painful

I got shouted out

“Shoutout to Jw for parsing 100 at the bottom of the dps”

[royal lantern]

did you tell them that shouting at you makes you cum?

[severe meadow]

No 👉👈

[royal lantern]

[thorn thorn]

[royal lantern]

dont act innocent

[thorn thorn]

Wym

I would never

[severe meadow]

He yells at me sometimes, he’s not innocent

[weary stump]

They're balance druids masquerading as rogues, the only solution is murder

[royal lantern]

is "Murder" supposed to be a bird pun there?

[weary stump]

Yes

[wind totem]

What do we sacrifice to get caustic spatter in the ST build?

[amber maple]

I have a dumb question, but I am considering rogue for midnight as a main tbh

In the notes on icyveins it says because of cut to the chase we never manually cast slice and dice

[jaunty notch]

yo, can we remove our poison debuff from nameplate ?

or blizzard does not allow it ?

[amber maple]

So does that mean not even to "start" slice and dice?

[severe meadow]

Correct

[royal lantern]

holy fuck the blizzard dmg meter is so giga broken

shit doesnt work at all

[amber maple]

Oh, so do we even put it on our action bar or just leave it in the spellbook if it is effectively passive?

I am coming from feral druid tbh

[normal mist]

yep just ignore it exists

[amber maple]

Thank you 🙂

Seems like a weird thing to not prune though

Maybe they had in their mind a build where someone didnt take cut to the chase

[royal lantern]

SnD is literally one the fabled "muh cLaSs FaNtAsY" things

it exists because somebody at blizz HQ has a boner for it

doesnt matter that its basically pointless and fully passive

[severe meadow]

Erm.. actually.. since we can pre stack combo points with CT.. we can actually pre cast SnD for a 0.002% dps increase…

Anyway no just take it off your bar

[jaunty notch]

• need help if it's possible

[amber maple]

How do we know what poisons to use?

[severe meadow]

Always deadly

[amber maple]

Oh ok

[haughty flicker]

i thought poisons were already removed from nameplates by blizzard

idek how you have them

[severe meadow]

Atrophic 9 times out of 10

[normal mist]

TLDR use the poisons you spec into

[severe meadow]

I’m this close to kissing you buddy

Watch yourself

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[wind totem]

I have them as well.

[amber maple]

This is gonna sound weird but follow my logic: if people find curse of weakness (slower attack speed) and curse of tongues (slower casting speed) and/or the Hellcaller combination (curse of the satyr) then does this mean for nonlethal we should use numbing poison?

Especially because now there's talents for warlocks to make their curses aoe

[severe meadow]

Nah

[normal mist]

they stack afaik

[amber maple]

I was maining warlock demonology all of season 3 so I may have some misperceptions

[severe meadow]

Warlocks don’t use that shit anyway

(Except you king you’re so sexy)

[jaunty notch]

they are removed from blizzard default nameplate but not on plater Absolute IKEK Cinema from blizzard once again

[amber maple]

I did and my group liked me for it 😭

[jaunty notch]

[amber maple]

Especially the fireball guys and healing guys in priory

[haughty flicker]

well that sounds like platers fault not blizzards

lmao

platynator also works fine with them afaik

[jaunty notch]

D:

[severe meadow]

Poisons randomly have extremely rare uses outside of the ones you’ll typically use

[jaunty notch]

does it mean I have to switch to the ennemie side ?

[buoyant herald]

Platynator is goated, trust

[severe meadow]

Like wound poison

[solar wyvern]

Thats platers fault for breaking their blacklist most recent update

[severe meadow]

For healing reduction

[solar wyvern]

Will be fixed im sure

[haughty flicker]

im sure plater will fix it eventually

yeah

[amber maple]

Hmmm. 🤔 so I guess we don't use the reduce healing poison for stuff like priory either?

[severe meadow]

The only time I’ve gotten good use from it was from the mini boss in that one dungeon

[solar wyvern]

Assa kindof is required to use deadly and amp with dtb

[severe meadow]

Right before last boss

[solar wyvern]

Wound is quite a loss

As is instant

[wooden basin]

I usually just throw on crippling ngl

[amber maple]

1. what is amp 2) what is dtb? Sorry im new

[severe meadow]

Ye wound was only good there for a second

And you’d swap back

[amber maple]

My rogue is like 35 🙈

[severe meadow]

Amplifying poison

[wooden basin]

Amplifying poison and dragon tempered blades

The latter lets you use 2 types of each poisons

[amber maple]

I read about amplifying poison on icy veins

[severe meadow]

DTB lets you use a second lethal and non lethal poison

So you’d have 4

[solar wyvern]

Amplifying poison is a talent, dtb is dragon tempered blades which allows you to use 2 lethal and non lethal poisons

[jaunty notch]

ok I trust

[amber maple]

Nice! Dragon Tempered Blades sounds really nice for per encounter customization

[jaunty notch]

it's blizzard fault for fucking with the addons everyone have for 20 years

but I get your point

[solar wyvern]

But youre level 35 so stick with deadly poison for now

[wooden basin]

DTB is a sick talent

[severe meadow]

How even is assa leveling

I feel like it’s buns

[solar wyvern]

Im psure whether or not blizzard touched addons this is just a plater mistake

[wooden basin]

I don’t think I’ve leveled (aside from xpac launch) since legion lol

[amber maple]

Well to be fair he used to be level 85

[wooden basin]

Lemix was so goated for that

I got everything to 80

[amber maple]

But after a bunch of expansions of level squishes... he got down to 35

(I haven't played rogue since legion)

[royal lantern]

we found the 1 warlock

[royal lantern]

its rogue leveling

they all are kinda stinky

class is heavy talent gated to function

[weary stump]

Quick tricks of the trade him prepull and commit murder

[amber maple]

Curse of Tongues buys more reaction time to interrupt the fireballs or other important spells.

Also the hyper drive whatever thing in streets

Or gambit

I cant remember which is which

[normal mist]

you mean more time to let the casters do their job and having your teammates die

[amber maple]

Is slower casting time bad? 🤔

[normal mist]

it isnt

its good

but you need people with double digit IQ to have their interrupts binded

[royal lantern]

did some ui testing with our ret paladin 20min ago

he went over talents and was like

"Holy fuck, what did they do with freedom, you cant take it anymore without losing important stuff"

"WELL WHO NEEDS AN INTERUPT"

[normal mist]

LOL

[haughty flicker]

ok insanely based though

[royal lantern]

tbf, he is the 1 ret paladin i respect

one of the rare people that actually plays the spec, and not just facerolls

[amber maple]

Does anyone have advice on UI clarity for discerning important must interrupt casts?

[weary stump]

The bad ones will face retribution... One day

[amber maple]

Apparently when we hit max level we get more talent points in midnight

Although I am not sure how many more per side

[lethal arrow]

unfortunately they killed addons to make it so this is harder to discern

fortunately we'll prob have updates soon that circumvent their efforts entirely

so i'd just wait

[gray raven]

It's currently not possible to get combo points on nameplates, correct?

[paper sail]

Not with the standard UI, but plater works for me, just painful to confg.

[sharp herald]

They also made improvements to communicate important interrupts better, e.g. in Ara Kara Resonant Barrage made the mob glow in a dangerous green vs the regular and less important web bolt

[paper sail]

But I heard someone say there's an alternative that's much more better to set up.

[gray raven]

Was a long time plater user (w/ Jundies) but trying Platynator just to see what the options are

[lethal arrow]

there probably is

might need time for ppl to get stuff figured

[gray raven]

oh you can totally do this with platynator (widgets, power)

that's actally far more intuitive than the old plater setting (show resources) which sometimes would just stop working

[night delta]

You mean the unit's combo points ?

[gray raven]

No i meant my combo points on my target - platynator does it perfectly well

[night delta]

Oh

Haven't seen the option, no

Not that i would use it tbh

[gray raven]

for anyone interested

[balmy condor]

Yes

[grave trail]

sorry if its been asked before, any efficient way to track how many targets are missing garrote/rupture without having to look at the plates? talking when theres a lot of targets thanks!

[normal mist]

Track scent of blood

you'll know that AT LEAST you can count to 5

[proven jasper]

Plater works and jundies has a prepatch profile btw

if youd rather stay on that

[rare moss]

Should we trust sims at all right now?

Ran top gear and changed around everything it said. I'm sitting at 39%(416) haste lol

[amber maple]

Honestly I never used add ons before, really. But I am realizing as I push higher keys why people use them. I am not sure if the UI presentation has changed over time, if the game play has changed significantly, or if I am just older/slower/dumber but it seems like it used to be kind of clear/easy to tell really important monsters to interrupt and now its all jumbled together in a big mess and its hard to pin point the right guy

[lime dune]

Can people enlighten me on our current raid dps, im going into a run with the guild tonight and tus i had a slight stroke over the dps number.

[rare moss]

40-45k is avg. Our UH dks finished 65-75k on fights

[lime dune]

40k for rogue?

[rare moss]

I was playing sub last night

40-50k on all fights

[lime dune]

God dam

[balmy condor]

Assa is like 30ish from what I’ve seen

Like simming 26-29 and then in fights it’s like 30-35

Clown patch

[lime dune]

Is that for mythic or just a heroic raid?

[rare moss]

Whispyr, should we trust top gear atm? Has me going haste heavy lol

I'm at 39% now for st fb

[grave trail]

good idea

[balmy condor]

In general

[balmy condor]

Probably fine yeah

Top gearing prepatch is crazy work

But should be at least close

[rare moss]

🤣

Yea raid last night was nuts

Dimmy died during first rings lol

[balmy condor]

Yeh hold on lemme optimize for my 1:25 fractilus i need this shit crisp

[rare moss]

I can't help it lol

[lime dune]

What's your raid build? Whispyr

[coral ibex]

whispyr can you please remote access my desktop and assign my talents for me

you do it the best

[balmy condor]

Whatever is on wowhead, or the faq, or whatever Warcraftlogs is doing, which is probably also what icyveins is doing, which is what wowhead is doing cause I told him builds

[open venture]

whats with the trinket placement anyway I can move it lol?

[lime dune]

Uhh ok thanks

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/rubbing-belly-big-fat-belly-clean-my-belly-gif-10774914595537299162

[balmy condor]

I might be blind, what trinket?

[open venture]

its centered on my character skardyn grace

[balmy condor]

OH

Haven’t seen that icon in a long time

[open venture]

yeah haven't played in a bit

[balmy condor]

Idk, would assume that’s some addon putting it there

[proven jasper]

gotta be

[balmy condor]

You can’t track trinkets using the cooldown manager

So whatever you’re using, it’s putting it there

[open venture]

well I only have better Cooldown manager, narcissus, Wago app, clique, Details and bigwigs, plater and simc active

can't find the option in Better Cooldown manager

[balmy condor]

Yeh idk, I don’t use better cooldown manager, but I would assume it’s in there somewhere

[lean plover]

its bcdm

i had the same issue

just /bcdm and theres a trinket section

[open venture]

thanks @lean plover fixed it

[amber maple]

Does anyone play both feral and assassination and do they feel pretty similar/have a similar overlap is the general gameplay experience?

[weary stump]

How dare you compare us to the cat people

[amber maple]

I am the cat people

But I wanna know if I will have a similar gameplay loop

[severe meadow]

[proven jasper]

my friend who plays feral says it feels damn smooth

[proven jasper]

cant really make any comparisons though

[severe meadow]

I DIDNT EVEN POST IT

[amber maple]

Thats fair, and feral does feel smooth based on testing I did last night

Its weird that assassination rogue doesnt seem to have a combo point AoE finisher, only builder

[proven jasper]

well we used to

But i think ct makes more sense how it is now

[rare moss]

I play both

[weary stump]

That's true I'm sorry

[amber maple]

For some reason I thought pandemic didnt exist anymore but it seems like it is still a thing and I am not sure if the base cooldown manager helps with knowing when to refresh/track pandemic timers

[rare moss]

I'm using neph ui and it shows pandemic windows

[royal lantern]

the entire raid had the sigil debuff from soulhunters for the rest of the raid

including people that where not even inside the raid at that moment

and the sigil colors changed randomly

[proven jasper]

[royal lantern]

[proven jasper]

NICE GAME

[royal lantern]

im purple sigil rn

was yellow on fractilus

[amber maple]

Wait, no, I think I confused snapshotting and pandemic

🤔

[rare moss]

For feral the icons change slightly for rake and rip when tigers fury is active

Same with improved garrote

[jolly stirrup]

@severe meadow

[torn dome]

so shiv is a gonner

apart from soothe effects i guess

[jolly stirrup]

shiv

[exotic hazel]

I feel like they just forgot Improved Garrote existed when they made all the 'no stealth required' changes

I keep forgetting to use it 😂

[torn dome]

save for DM no?

[exotic hazel]

Yeah that's the correct thing to do

I just forget

[torn dome]

so happy envenom now applies CS

goign to take some unlearning of pressing mut here and there

[exotic hazel]

There's also some extra min-maxing with refreshing Improved Garrote within the first 6 sec iirc

It feels like not using improved garrote outside of your opener as a pretty minor DPS loss overall, but I may be completely wrong 😂

[night delta]

if you wanna go the zero-brainspace play, macro vanish with DM, and just clip your garrote with an improved garrote when DM starts

[exotic hazel]

Genius. I'll do that 😂

[night delta]

doubt doing this over the optimal order changes much tbh

as long as you keep up env for KB and KB within 2 GCDs of DM you're fine

[exotic hazel]

Well given the Rotation Highlight helper thingy is like a 5% loss, I can only imagine a part of that is the lack of using Vanish for the improved garrote

So not using the improved garrote must equate to <5% loss

[night delta]

is the rotation helper a 5% loss, or the Rotation assist button a 5% loss ?

[exotic hazel]

The One Button is a huge extra 1% loss apparently 😂

(In ST)

[night delta]

what +25% GCD does to a resource-locked spec

[exotic hazel]

Yeah 😂 Not sure if that's just accurate for Pre-Patch and the numbers will differ in Midnight with our Apex Talents thrown in

[night delta]

Yeah, Implacable is quite a decent amount of energy, so you're less likely to run into trouble with it

heck, I'm in ilvl 80 character boost gear with godawful haste and crit

and I'm already just barely feeling problems with my combo / energy

[exotic hazel]

Having played the Beta I can say it's a lot smoother

[night delta]

In my experience, there not much margin for smoothness already imo

have never had a "oh shit" moment with my energy or combo points while dummying

and I was counting in my head every 5 envs to let it fall off

taking the good habits

[exotic hazel]

Honestly the only improvement I'd hoped for that they missed was if they just binned Thistle Tea and shifted some more regen into the Apex or Venomous Wounds

[night delta]

Thistle is a good safety net when the game starves you of combo and blindside procs when you need to refresh rupt

that was my experience of it

[exotic hazel]

It's good when it's got charges

When it's out, it feels shit 😂

I'd rather have more consistent regen than the spikes

Also when a tea procs as you kill the mob - sadness

[amber maple]

Is this spec pretty easy for a beginner?

I haven't played a rogue in 10 years or more

[thin widget]

is there a way to create pandemic indicators on the CD manager?

[night delta]

I would say, middle of the pack ?

[amber maple]

Which is the most n00blord baby brain rogue spec?

[proven jasper]

assa is probably the easiest of the rogue specs

[night delta]

there's a few things involved and it's not a nobrainer whack-a-proc spec

but it's not that hard

[proven jasper]

Sub is pretty simple now as well

[exotic hazel]

Idk, an argument can be made for Sub Rogue now 😂

[proven jasper]

yeah lmao

[amber maple]

I dont even know what a sub rogue is

Like I know it exists but I have no idea what their class fantasy is or what they do

[night delta]

Debuffs tracked with the CD manager should highlight in pandemic timings

though the pandemic timings for rupture is scuffed

it flashes when a 5CP rupt would pandemic iirc

[royal lantern]

"pretty simple" is a nice way to call it

[night delta]

doesn't take into account your actual combo points

[proven jasper]

[amber maple]

Like if you were generally describing things you'd be like "oh assassination is a dot spec with maintaining bleeds and poisons" and outlaw.. is.. fuck idk "if you wanna be a pirate/swashbuckler" but how do you even describe sub rogue

[proven jasper]

Sub is the ninja spec

ig

[short sparrow]

This is gonna sound dumb but hear me out - sub rogue is all about stealth lol. Their burst window is very frequent as they have a spell that gives them access to abilities that require stealth

[night delta]

sub is the random bullshit go spec ?

[royal lantern]

assa is maintenance focus

sub is burst window focus

Outlaw is high apm spamming with consistent dmg

[subtle tundra]

miau

[royal lantern]

so true varas

[thin widget]

oh so it'll be automatic, sweet

[night delta]

I don't actually know if the pandemic alert for garrote takes into account Razor wire (the talent that makes it 6 sec longer)

[flint tusk]

love emergency maintenance breaking my CDM and sensei's settings >.>

[lavish whale]

anywhere I can find talent builds for midnight beta?

[wooden basin]

space ninja

let me know if you’re sold

[grave blade]

Are we meta or what boys

[short sparrow]

If you guys muti into 4 CP what do you do?

[balmy condor]

mut again

[night delta]

mut again / garrote if it is in pandemic

[buoyant herald]

Do it again

[short sparrow]

cool, thanks

[buoyant herald]

Better to potentially waste one CP than definitely not proc your coin

[night delta]

the goal is to get to minimum 5 cp for your finishers

always

[short sparrow]

wasn't sure if there was a more efficient way to get CP for finisher, such as Shiv. given that resource management is the name of the game, i thought savings however small could be big

but i've just been hitting muti again out of habit, so i'm glad it's the right thing to do

[night delta]

you don't really care much about going over 7 cp

[short sparrow]

its more the 20 energy save for shiv over muti i guess

[balmy condor]

to be fair, resource management is the name of the game, but the game doesn't exist

[haughty flicker]

[night delta]

you'd also deal way less damage per energy point by going for shiv

so even then it'd still be inefficient

[amber maple]

Is the implication here that resource management is fake/literally trivial?

[night delta]

and potentially skip on a potential 7cp finisher for a 5cp one

[balmy condor]

less of an implication, more of a direct statement

[royal lantern]

damm, french is a weird language

[short sparrow]

That is true, assuming there's not bigger savings over time. I guess 20 energy is quickly recouped anyway. Thanks for entertaining my thoughts anyway

[amber maple]

Idk though space ninja does sound cool... should I actually main sub?

[short sparrow]

try them all and see which one you vibe with honestly

assassin rotation is very easy to pick up

[royal lantern]

assa has the cuter players

[haughty flicker]

[proven jasper]

proof?

[sharp viper]

@balmy condor

[jolly stirrup]

^I second this

[proven jasper]

valid

you got me

[royal lantern]

we have whisp

and royal played assa

[proven jasper]

dont think ive ever seen a cuter man my entire life

[paper sail]

So what's everyone's hot take on deathstalker vs coinflipper? I love asa but I can't stand how FB looks with the coins, and how it has 0 impact on my gameplay decisions. Enlighten me!

[prime hull]

fatebound doesnt have deathstalkers mark so its an automatic win for me

[night delta]

Fatebound : Passively boring.
Deathstalker : Actively tiring

Deathstalker basically puts a leash on you with Mark

Fatebound doesn't

[thorn thorn]

@severe meadow and @haughty flicker

[drifting cedar]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.

For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:

• Blizzard HUD
• Blizzard CDM

[jolly stirrup]

Also @thorn thorn and @humble verge

[halcyon flame]

buff caustic spatter

buff nimble too

[lime dune]

did the rogue rotation change durring the last patch? for raid

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/wideboink-cat-boink-cat-boink-gif-4293569947606972768

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cringe-cat-zoom-gif-26418972

[severe meadow]

We'd be unstoppable if you swapped to Rogue

[thorn thorn]

Probably not tbh

Im trash

I would be rank 1 morale support tho

[charred obsidian]

buff deez

[severe meadow]

You're the second best Evoker player I know

[charred obsidian]

and you only know 2?

[severe meadow]

Well 3

[charred obsidian]

ah

[thorn thorn]

Is daylea the other one

[severe meadow]

who

my guild leader plays evoker

xd

[thorn thorn]

@safe frigate

[safe frigate]

Hello.

It me and an evoker player.

I buff @balmy condor sometimes.

And steal his pad other times.

[severe meadow]

Hello Daylea I have a question

[balmy condor]

What the helly

@safe frigate go test prey hunt whatever they’re called

[thorn thorn]

Ethical

[short sparrow]

Any way for the cooldown manager to tell me when my poisons have expired? :x

sorry not sure why that's replied to that message xD

[severe meadow]

no

[runic hinge]

Hello my goat. Xoxo

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-cat-cute-gif-4544032

[short sparrow]

thanks for the answers guys

[severe meadow]

no problem Mr. Jacksy

[short sparrow]

Forgot my real name was on here >< can't set a server nick

apparently i can. must be thinking of a different server

[humble verge]

holy pogga

i am gonna look good

[short sparrow]

thank you for the reminder!!

[humble verge]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/earn-a-crimson-bow-tie-cosmetic-with-uk-eu-pringles-xbox-promotion-379862

[amber maple]

I can't decide between rerolling a void elf or night elf rogue or sticking with my orc rogue

But they dont even have the pale shattered hand skin for mag'har orcs

But then again they do have laughing skull..

[severe meadow]

I'm waiting for Midnight to change into the new race

[amber maple]

Who?

Oh haranir?

[severe meadow]

ye

[amber maple]

I forgot about those

Void Elves are just pretty close to Drow

And night elves are like purple wood elves

[balmy condor]

Jack Ryan, John Wick

“Real name”

SURE

You’re a fucking government agent in a bond movie

[short sparrow]

I'm just an analyst

[wooden basin]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-laugh-ai-baby-babyfryingme-baby-sob-folk-gif-18221933230434867320

[short sparrow]

the first Jack Ryan book was in 1984 so he was before me but the name is very much real

[amber maple]

This gif triggers the uncanny valley effect in me so hard

[hearty reef]

15% spatter wowza

[balmy condor]

assa does giga aoe and shit st -> complain

assa aoe gets slight nerf for a st buff -> kek caustic

impossible to win

[humble verge]

we got da woman in winter clothes with 2 bears on arms

[safe frigate]

Yes?

[safe frigate]

First job.

[severe meadow]

How do you feel about dracmpreg

[safe frigate]

TONY!!

[safe frigate]

I am a supporter of all mpreg. So it’s Poggers.

[severe meadow]

We got Sera CE, was a pog moment

[safe frigate]

LETS GOOOO

[severe meadow]

he’ll likely get the mount soon

[lime onyx]

Yoo someone get me a crimson bow tie code with a vpn id love you forever!

[runic hinge]

[crisp sluice]

Do we vanish, garrote THEN DM, or DM first then Vanish>Garrote?

[glacial relic]

build in 15, we are fine even if I play with the worst talents, no kingsbane, no last apex

[snow hamlet]

[wicked valve]

what are you guys using for resource deisplay? the WA packs no longer work, right?

[lean plover]

sensei resource bar

[wicked valve]

Is that an addon or a WA?

[spice surge]

Wa doesnt exist

[pliant remnant]

BetterCooldownManager

Sensei's Resource Bars is fine too

[balmy condor]

order doesn't matter

depending on the fight time it's actually worth it to just rip vanish on cd

and desync it from deathmark

but that's a weird one

razor wire makes the garrote timers very strange

[crisp sluice]

ty bro, I usually vanish to get 2nd improved garrote off during deathmark window right before it expires

is that not worth

like before DM expires

[balmy condor]

well you double garrote from the pull

[crisp sluice]

yea

[balmy condor]

so you have like 32 seconds of garrote

it lasts your entire deathmark window, and then some extra on top of that

without vanishing

so like either you rip vanish at like 0:35

in the middle of nowhere

and get extra uptime on the garrotes, for another 30ish seconds of imp gar

or you hold for 2min deathmark, and lose a vanish cast

but you're only getting 100% extra garrote damage for 16 seconds, while you're getting 32 seconds of garrote from the vanish

so it's like 1.5x the value

to hold for a dm

not 2x

[crisp sluice]

got it got it that helps a lot. probably just gonna slam it on cd

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pain-gif-25934677

[balmy condor]

it's a nightmare button

and giving recommendations on it

[crisp sluice]

lol I feel you

[balmy condor]

is even bigger a nightmare

[crisp sluice]

XDDDD

im not gonna overthink it

[balmy condor]

I was streaming sims and people were like when do we vanish

and I was like look, I'll show you

profile 1 synced with deathmark

profile 2 slammed on cd for imp gar uptime

5 min patchwerk, go go

perfectly equal

[glacial crypt]

when do we vanish

[crisp sluice]

Lmaooooo i think this tier im not gonna try to overthink anything and just slam my buttons

even if its -3% loss idc xd

[balmy condor]

vanish is legit my sleep paralysis demon, because no matter what I do with it, it's always wrong

[pliant remnant]

guys quick question

[balmy condor]

it either feels wrong to use

[keen spruce]

[pliant remnant]

I need help

[balmy condor]

or it sims right in 1 situation

[pliant remnant]

when do we vanish?

[balmy condor]

and wrong in 35 other situations

[glacial crypt]

This is the way, just press buttons

[keen spruce]

Maybe they shouldn’t tie damage to a utility spell 🙂

[balmy condor]

fuck that button

imp garrote is sick, and I don't hate it

[crisp sluice]

Lmfao okay you just helped me ease my stress of overanalyzing it because you already did it for me XDDD

[glacial crypt]

i think whispyr knows

[violet cliff]

Is DM always before KB? I thought I had read that KB after envenom into DM but then I read DM before KB

[pliant remnant]

whispyr

[balmy condor]

but imp garrote with vanish existing sucks ass

[pliant remnant]

when vanish

[keen spruce]

“Sprit increases haste by 10% for the duration” lookin ass spell design

[pliant remnant]

pls assist

[balmy condor]

always dm into kingsbane yes

[glacial crypt]

i was typing a fake rotation but didn't post incase people believed it

[proven jasper]

[little tulip]

its wonky that garrote is the only way to apply dsm, could have left it on ambush as well to keep the vibe

[keen spruce]

They always believe it

[glacial crypt]

taco

[violet cliff]

So opener should be: garrote > 5 pt rupture > DM > envenom > KB or envenom > DM > KB (prepatch)

[keen spruce]

I was gonna go up to your area to golf after the Italy trip but shlepping my clubs to Europe was gonnna be a big pain

So now u gotta come to the US for tacos

[violet cliff]

Just unsure if we’re meant to envenom once before CDs then rip CDs

[balmy condor]

they could've just made it a self-buff too

when you enter combat, you apply the mark to yourself

in german we'd say "hätte hätte fahrradkette"

[balmy condor]

envenom dm kb I guess

or just skip the envenom

doesn't really matter

[severe meadow]

DK nuked

[viscid spear]

If Vanish is your Sleep Paralysis Demon, then what was Rik Barrels?

[balmy condor]

the rat shit in my attic

[viscid spear]

The transmog on the Warband screen keeps breaking

How do I get Combo Points to show on my target's nameplate?

[haughty flicker]

i didnt realize so many people played like that lmao

platynator can do it really easily

[twilit knot]

Anyone know how to remove the poisons from nameplates?

[spice surge]

Dont use plater

[balmy condor]

real

[twilit knot]

ah its busted i take it

[balmy condor]

it's something

seems platynator is the default recommendation atm

the default nameplates are kinda fine imo

[twilit knot]

okay cool thanks

[desert trout]

oh yeah playnator is way easier. Only care about the bleeds im applying

[balmy condor]

frankly if I could hide all debuffs on nameplates I would

maybe one day blizzard will deliver

[coral ibex]

so fatebound is a 2m spec again or am i just stupid and allocated the wrong talents

[knotty vapor]

I just wanna hide the damn timer text on the icons

[haughty flicker]

90s was tier so ye

gonezo

[coral ibex]

i thought they integrated tier into the new hero talents

upon reading i see that is not true

[haughty flicker]

some they did

some they did not

[coral ibex]

this sucks

[severe meadow]

the future is now, old man

[wicked valve]

I hate the new cold blood frosty hand shit

[runic hinge]

New?

[wicked valve]

I've never seen it frost my hand like this before.

[runic hinge]

Probably cause you always had it macroed before but it’s had that glow effect since it was put in the game

[knotty vapor]

anyone know an addon that just adds the option to change the nameplate colors? I don't want a whole nameplate overhaul addon like plater or w/e

but I cant fucking see red on black

yay colorblindness

[coral ibex]

there's literally no reason to track shiv anymore right

[balmy condor]

correct

[balmy condor]

nameplate colors can't be changed I think

well they can

but I'm not sure to what extent

[spice surge]

Should be able to change the colour in general, just not based on anything ingame (like if a buff is up or if the mob is dangerous etc)

Atleast i think so

[peak badger]

Is the bridge to Dimmy bugged for anyone?

[latent kernel]

I keep seeing comments regarding assassination being energy starved but it really does not feel that bad, maybe a little bit in ST, but aoe basically feels the same

People have to be doing something wrong

[zenith cedar]

spec has historically been energy starved and smart use of pooling and resources was a skill-differentiator. Apparently they are bringing that back when we have apex talents, it's a good thing. It's a design feature not a flaw

[latent kernel]

Well yeah I know, I’m just saying based on what I’ve read in comment sections on Reddit and videos, people are making it sound like you’re sitting on empty an entire fight

And then I went and played it

And I have like no downtime lol

[zenith cedar]

Yeah i wouldn't read too much into reddit or YTers lol

[latent kernel]

I was like great my fav spec is broke, and then I logged and had no issues lmfao

[gleaming geyser]

fights are also lasting like.. 1min

[latent kernel]

Phenomenal point

[graceful halo]

is everyone just using the cooldown manager now or is there something better?

[latent kernel]

Personally finding that the cd manager essentially tracks everything I would need to see

There’s just a decent amount of bloat abilities that you could fall victim to tracking that don’t rlly do anything

Blizzard added like everything under the sun for tracking in the CD manager

[graceful halo]

mostly i miss being able to make missing auras glow because im brainless and need flashy things

[digital elk]

Arc ui

[latent kernel]

The only nice thing is that you really need to only focus keeping your dots up on one target due to crimson tempest rework, so I’ve found it’s a lot easier to track

[graceful halo]

thanks. this seems like weakauras with extra steps but it works!

[haughty flicker]

it seems like that because it is

[versed mica]

Where is my PREPATCH BIS LIST WHISPYR?????

[tawdry halo]

[latent kernel]

didnt see a pin for this, did they fix the singular focus bug?

interacting with caustic splatter

[balmy condor]

no

[midnight reef]

So is sin rogue easier now?

[balmy condor]

yes

[midnight reef]

Cool

Prob check it here soon

[royal hazel]

hey guys, how are we removing the tracking of debuffs like poisons on our targets

[marsh fjord]

i dont think you can blacklist stuff

[royal hazel]

the game doesnt seem to response to plater blacklist/manual debuff tracklist

[marsh fjord]

but im not to sure

[royal hazel]

i just want to see garrote and rupture

🙁

[marsh fjord]

Yeah same bro. its a fucking mess

[balmy condor]

uninstall plater

you can't blacklist or manual debuff track anymore

it's old shit from plater

base game only tracks gar, rup, cds, and deathstalker

[royal hazel]

icic, some how i see poisons

[balmy condor]

yes

cause plater is shit lmaao

[royal hazel]

but i like jundies

[balmy condor]

plater just straight up doesn't work

[royal hazel]

thank you thought

gg go next

bye plater

[tawdry halo]

platynator exists

might be what you're looking for

fewer bells and whistles though iirc

[royal hazel]

any way to remove combo points from playnator

and i would like to colour code mobs for M+

[balmy condor]

can't do that

[versed mica]

Playnator shows cps on target frames? Yes pls

[balmy condor]

it can

[gray raven]

Jundies profiles do that right now in both player and platynator

[buoyant herald]

Yeah his profile for platynator is nice, pretty familiar

[haughty flicker]

there are very restrictive categories you can recolor stuff as

but its not too bad

[balmy condor]

you can't recolor at will

it's like really weird categories

[gray raven]

I'm not sure about the backend critera but he's got the same colors as per the last 4-5 seasons all attached to high hp mobs, danger casters, etc

[spice surge]

You can colour based on 3 things:

• lieutenant mobs
• mobs with mana
• mobs without mana

Can't do anything based on a specific mob name or anything like that

[gray raven]

not being able to change the names is such a big L

the RP names that biz uses are terrible

[spice surge]

No more Thundercock

[woven ruin]

Anyone else still have SBS buff listed on screen?

[mighty whale]

Yup

[jovial idol]

Blightboner

[misty holly]

Do we still have the talent to stack envenom to 2 applications, or was that removed?

[haughty flicker]

gone

reduced to atoms

[midnight reef]

FB or DS for dungeons?

[tawdry halo]

FB

but also its prepatch

so

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Fb if only to avoid the mark

[jolly stirrup]

You guys think we will get shiv back? Or will it stay dead

I liked it. Also made thematically sense, a hidden dagger that amplifies our poisons and stuff around it.

[marsh fjord]

When this trilogy is over they will bring back abilties and call it expansion features.

[outer kernel]

guys what i have to do , to see deadly poisen on my enemy nameplates?

like bleeds

[balmy condor]

No

[balmy condor]

They’re disabled

[outer kernel]

why? 🙁

its sooo weird without it

[blazing totem]

Blizzard decided so

[balmy condor]

Because you don’t need it

[outer kernel]

did they changed that with poisen bleeds = more engery?

[balmy condor]

No

That’s still a thing

[outer kernel]

ye

so better to see poisen up

[balmy condor]

No

Literally irrelevant

[outer kernel]

if i play for example councel fights?

[balmy condor]

Then you press fok

Fok applies poison

No problems

And if you don’t press fok

You press ct

And ct applies poisons

No problems

[jolly stirrup]

Damn so negative

[outer kernel]

hmm ok

[balmy condor]

The only time it mattered in TWW was 2 target

And even then it was like

One boss fight the entire expac?

Trying to think of something where it mattered

Struggling

[blazing totem]

personally it triggers my OCD because I was so used to "I dont see poisons on enemy = I dont have poisons up"

so I keep checking my buffs

lmao

but not that it actually impacts gameplay, it just cluttered the plates

[jolly stirrup]

Damn thats a fat nerf

Honestly needed tho right? They did so much damage

Our DKs blasted so much damage yesterday

[golden loom]

Is that a hotfix for prepatch?

[jolly stirrup]

Ye

Also Blizzard did an "Emergency Maintenance" yesterday which cut our raid 30minutes short. Anyone know what that was about?

[golden loom]

makes sense, I tried unholy on first boss yesterday, just randomly pressing buttons I did more damage than the rank 1 frost dk log

[balmy condor]

Removing bugged items

At least I think so

[jolly stirrup]

Noice

[blazing totem]

people said dungeons were dropping lvl 90 items, maybe that

[blazing totem]

this was so deserved, se were speedrunning mythic Dimmy yesterday

literally just stack UDKs

tho it is pushover anyways

[jolly stirrup]

We struggled on Dimmy, but tbf we reached P2 almost every pull, but had no idea how to play it properly certain we kill on Monday

[blazing totem]

we kept wiping on p2p2 lmao

everything else was sweep

p3 is a joke if you get there with full ppl

[vestal wren]

EU had instance problems at least, a lot of people disconnected and could not log in for long, could be related to that too

[atomic creek]

I'd assume varous reasons including those 2. They also buffed the Mage Tower because they saw people were zerging it

[blazing totem]

fun detected: nerfing...

[charred obsidian]

Lvl 10 assa might be the most boring thing ever lmao.

Luckely it gets neat at max level tho

[vestal wren]

level 10 anything is kinda urgh not fun

[charred obsidian]

I guess

Sinister strike every 10 seconds is peak

[zenith cedar]

can plater put debuffs on mobs plates anymore

need a way to reliably know if i can stop using CT other than counting lol

[grim jay]

Just look at your scent stacks

[zenith cedar]

yeah that is a decent proxy, not exactly what I need though

[grim jay]

Probably your best bet rn

[grim jay]

Would wait for further changes before I set up an entirely new addon, but thats just me

Ive heard some people using jundies, but idk what exactly that looks like rn

[zenith cedar]

Oh it can show buffs

sick ok

[forest onyx]

Has the assassination spec really become D tier? Our raid DPS is terrible..

[golden loom]

when plater makes it so that their plates track only the same debuffs as base blizz frames I will go back to jundies

plater tracking every poison and bleed makes it un-useable

[marsh fjord]

Why does DPS matter in pre - patch bro. there is still so much tuning upcoming

[zenith cedar]

jundies is just a plater profile .. no?

[zenith cedar]

like you can pretty easily change this on your own

[golden loom]

literally cannot

[zenith cedar]

my plater is only tracking rupture garrote and caustic idk

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[lavish hazel]

Damn can you screen your buff settings in plater pls ?

I cannot filter on any buffs rn

[jolly stirrup]

At this point just use basic nameplates no? Its not bad and I almost got used to it already

Only thing I need to see better is when and what to kick, but also thats just a matter of time

[golden loom]

well unless they have updated it since yesterday I don't see how it would be fixed

[zenith cedar]

update i may be stupid

i didnt have poisons attatched when i tested it sadge

[golden loom]

[grim jay]

I mean you could atleast see by the giant bar if that mob has your dots then

[zenith cedar]

just dont run poisons

[golden loom]

yeah but it also tracks doomblade

cant be having that

[zenith cedar]

does CT spread doomblade -- nope

does anyone know if CT will always prio copying bleeds onto targets without them? seems to work that way from what I can tell

[grim jay]

Should work just the same as ic

For spreading logic

With the condition that ct hits

[royal hazel]

ive been testing in M+ i find Deathstalker does a lot more damage than fatebound

[zenith cedar]

what key levels

[royal hazel]

18s

17s and 18s

[zenith cedar]

nice -- how much more if you had to put a % to it?

[royal hazel]

like double

[zenith cedar]

oh shit forreal -- I havent tried deathstalker yet hm

[royal hazel]

100%

on test dummies with fatebound i do hmm 45k?

using DS its 100K+

my understanding is fatebound is better single target and thats been the bigget issue for rogue in high keys

but damn overall should be similiar

[amber maple]

I got my rogue to 69

Leveling isnt bad at all

Way better than when I tried in Wrath and other early expansions

But I have noticed that it seems like simply existing near a mob unstealths me and I dont seem to have that issue on my feral druid

[royal hazel]

i need to level another rogue for splits , any advice?

[amber maple]

I dont know if my auto attacks are automatically going off once I get in range or what

[jolly stirrup]

If you right-click a mob and walk close to it you start attacking

[amber maple]

Makes sense

[zenith cedar]

Has anyone tested the difference between casting two improved garrotes before we spread in M+ vs one?

[jolly stirrup]

Why would you cast 2?

[zenith cedar]

Pandemic duration spread across every mob

[jolly stirrup]

Depending on the lvl of key, the pack dies faster than your imp garrote runs out

[zenith cedar]

It was fairly common in older iterations of assasination

so I wouldn't be surprised if its something to consider now with the ease of spreading it

basically something like
garrote --> garrote --> rupture --> CT --> CT --> Envenom

into either more CT or FOK depending on what the pack size is

[jolly stirrup]

You don't need to cast more garrotes or ruptures on the same target as it doesnt spread it like that anymore. Press Garrote out of stealth, use CT to spread and generate CP, use rupture, use CT until everything has bleed, FOK

Thats how I do it

[zenith cedar]

Not sure you understand what I'm trying to say

[jolly stirrup]

Otherwise check AOE opener on wowhead

[jolly stirrup]

Thats highly possible since I am a doofus sometimes

Ok nvm

[zenith cedar]

Stealth --> Imp Garrote 1 (24 seconds) --> Imp Garrote 2 (32 seconds) --> Rupture --> CT CT --> Env. Means you are getting an extra 8 seconds of improved garrote on every target hit by CT. Which is 50% more damage

[jolly stirrup]

Ignore what I said

I just checked AoE opener myself and realised I was wrong ^^

Mbmb spreading misinformation

[zenith cedar]

The other thing you would do with that global is a Mutilate, I have a hard time believing a mutilate is going to be higher value than spreading +8sec of imp garrote across a ton of targets but I am not a theory crafter/haven't researched this at all

[jolly stirrup]

Ye like I said I was wrong

[zenith cedar]

I mean you might be right I'm asking a question really

Oh I was right actually nvm lol

[jolly stirrup]

Ye

I checked Wowhead myself

[zenith cedar]

One thing I plan to do this expansion is roll whatever DPS is the best simming one button character for when I want to be a lazy fuck. Sin looking pretty good tbh at ~20% within perfect

[royal hazel]

i do this usually, garrote --> garrote --> rupture --> CT --> CT --> Envenom

[zenith cedar]

yeah that is correct except you wanna pop CDs before CT apparnetly if you have them

[royal hazel]

but what i dont like is we spec into only 1/2 scent of blood

hmm

i evenom before cd

[zenith cedar]

p sure you wanna pop trinkys pots into cds before sending any CP outside of that first rupture

otherwise your first caustic splatter is unbuffed

[royal hazel]

true

but doesnt it buff kingsbane having an evenom out

prepatch apparently we evenom before kingsbane

but midnight we dont

[zenith cedar]

yeah i saw that in the notes -- wonder if it applies to both aoe and st

[royal hazel]

hmm good point

do you think its worth sending 4 cts

for scent of blood

20%

agi

or just cap out at 10%

and use fok as a generator in aoe

[zenith cedar]

i think the main value of casting CT is getting high duration bleeds onto other targets, scent of blood is a bonus but probably not the main reason you want to spread bleeds

more bleeds == more energy via venemous wounds, aslthough i just saw they nerfed that to have diminishing returns when was that

[royal hazel]

dimishing returns beyond the first target

if the current in-game description is up-to-date

[zenith cedar]

I think you bring up a good point if you have max scent of blood is it worth it to spread CT more

[royal hazel]

typically we spread to max scent of blood

anything extra is "ok" but not really worth

and if energy is an issue by design

ct uses more energy than fokj

[zenith cedar]

yeah

[royal hazel]

not sure tbh

[zenith cedar]

will take sims realistically

[royal hazel]

since we dont commit to scent of blood i dont think its worth spending 4 cts

but i am conflicted

yes you're right

time will tell (sims)

this is kind of how it would look garr garr rupture ct ct dm king envenom ct ct

[zenith cedar]

thats pretty much what iv'e been doing in keys

[royal hazel]

at that point u vanish or apply garrote and rupture again

[zenith cedar]

I think you DM before CT no?

[royal hazel]

*evenom first

Dm provides buff 10%

so maybe

i would rather my bleeds out

[zenith cedar]

just looking at wowhead guide its suggesting G -> G -> Rup -> DM -> KB -> CT / FoK spam

[royal hazel]

is 1-2 seconds with no bleeds to benefit from DM the play

if we follow wowhead

only primary target has bleeds when we push DM

2 globals later 2 more targets have bleeds

aand so on

i think i realise the reason, we cap our combo points early if we send CT and hold evenom before cds

and also waste the combo points

[amber maple]

I find myself low on energy a lot as im leveling

Does that get better at max level with good gear?

Or is this just slower and less spammy than feral?

[normal mist]

Slower

Being max level with all your talents helps a bit

Gear changes nothing

I mean crit makes you feel good when you get extra cps on your mutilates/fok

But if your question is: will haste fix this? No, it won't.

[dense cedar]

just need 4 billion haste

[balmy condor]

cap is 126%

[jolly stirrup]

^Whispyr be like

[dense cedar]

smh thye shoudl remove that

[woeful wigeon]

anyone else having trouble on personal resource bar from blizzard CP not showing in combat ? cant seem to make them work

[upper spear]

The rupture refund when enemies die is gone right?

[jolly stirrup]

Sadly

[flint tusk]

When you say it’s gone?
In what way?

[analog field]

It is ultra nerfed

[marsh fjord]

Before it was 8

[analog field]

kinda non existant

[marsh fjord]

Now 3

[analog field]

The refund was like 5 per second remaining

now it is like 1 or 2 or something

[flint tusk]

Ahh right

[analog field]

Don't know the exact number ATM I know it is non existent

[flint tusk]

I figured it would be that.

Sorta dumb really as it doesn’t effect pooling but i guess they didn’t wanna make rupture sniping the strat for max damage with the slower regen

[analog field]

Also it was kinda stupid