assassination

[drowsy hollow]

does the apex help energy economy some?

[grim jay]

Implacable is kinda the whole pooling loop they want you to play around

[drowsy hollow]

ah

[haughty flicker]

@runic hinge thoughts

[grim jay]

Cast Bar at the bottom

Tony will agree

[haughty flicker]

tried

didnt like it

this is just a basic ui to use until addon stuff solidifies anyway

it doesnt show pandemic for the dots but spriest dots are bugged and dont pandemic atm anyway

[jolly stirrup]

Thats very clean

[pseudo tree]

Hey guys, is there any current working alternative to Slice Commander/Admiral Addon? I got extremely used to track the bleeds this way, then WA,s and now those are gone :S

[grim jay]

Looks pretty good tbf

Wouldnt mind using that in general

[jade abyss]

Dont know that stuff but you can use the cd manager and it looks like a bit like afenar or luxthos its a okayish solution

[pseudo tree]

Yeah im trying that with the Lux profile, but its just not the same, i miss these timer bars:

[fierce sigil]

Which addon u are using for Unit Frames?

[haughty flicker]

unhalted unit frames

[fierce sigil]

Ok ty 👌

[neat plank]

there's no Blizzard timers for dungeon bosses right? you still need Little Wigs?

[quiet oriole]

There was boss timers but unsure if that was just for raid

[jolly stirrup]

This Trinket a viable option for us?

Before "Sim it yourself" comes as an answer, I am at work and unable to sim

[sterile jackal]

thats a lot of tracking 😄

[balmy condor]

It’s prepatch, literally anything is viable

[jolly stirrup]

[balmy condor]

Like deadass even if that trinket was -6%

You’re realistically doing like 90% more damage than you did 2-3 months ago when you were kinda already able to clear content

So does it really matter if you’re clearing that boss for the 8th time

And the kill is 1:45

Instead of 1:46?

[haughty flicker]

yes

[vestal sage]

Was just testing a bit of single button assist and noticed mine doesn't use crimson tempest at all. Is it like that for others?

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s bugged

[vestal sage]

Dang, I was hoping they'd at least be quick with upkeep and fixes for the people that need or benefit from a tool like that. Glad I don't need it at least if it can be left in a state for days where entire abilities aren't used 😛

[marsh fjord]

How about you viable these nuts

[jolly stirrup]

Well we are reclearing to find the new raid roster. So I need to blast to keep my spot

[marsh fjord]

Sorry that was my cat

[jolly stirrup]

[balmy condor]

On assa lowkey hot take, but I think the fact it’s not working is probably good

On energy/resource capped specs, the GCD penalty on the one button isn’t actually that much of a downside

Like one button in single target for assa is VERY good

Scary good in fact

Because the spec is just simply that braindead

I think one button on assa might be too strong

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

Your raid is determining raid spots based on prepatch?

Please tell me you’re not serious

[marsh fjord]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1462271080952762531/cho.gif

The raid spots

[red schooner]

[marsh fjord]

^^

[jolly stirrup]

We are... weird

I have no saying.

[red schooner]

Deranged is probably the term

[haughty flicker]

hes probably our best healer btw

[haughty flicker]

cursed

[jolly stirrup]

Ikik

[marsh fjord]

Wait is this your guiild?

[haughty flicker]

thats even my gif

[marsh fjord]

bro

[balmy condor]

@thorn thorn I had to read this shit so now you do too

[marsh fjord]

i didnt even knew 😄

[marsh fjord]

Thats cool af

[jolly stirrup]

Don't hate me I am just a silly rogue

[glacial relic]

shrouded suffocation on beta doesnt give the extra 2 cp anymore after the very first garotte from stealth 🙁

[marsh fjord]

@haughty flicker is this also you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783130420413202442/1430546217762426930/ezgif-2d18c8f8c1e57a.gif

[haughty flicker]

unfortunately no

[jolly stirrup]

LMFAO

[haughty flicker]

we had a lot of funny stuff happen in prog though

[marsh fjord]

bro im so braindead that i wouldnt know how to make a gif of the prog plays

[thorn thorn]

What the hell is this

[jolly stirrup]

[red schooner]

Suffering.

[jade abyss]

Sounds terrible and scary at the same time

[static glacier]

Gota abuse broken prepatch setups to keep your raid spot 😂😂

[marsh fjord]

Did you do testing with one button and without? and what was the verdict if you did

[static glacier]

Yall remember ww and affliction in tww prepatch?

[jolly stirrup]

Real

[balmy condor]

one button can be simmed

[marsh fjord]

how much % was it less

[marsh fjord]

OH i havent checked wowhead

wtf 6%

[red schooner]

Have you considered running away? That's what I did

[jolly stirrup]

No because i have IRL friends in the guild and I do kinda like them ^^ we also have a 2nd, more chill raid, where I will raid with my Fury Warri

[shy heron]

https://tenor.com/view/drinking-bird-keyboard-type-y-gif-8720184

Press your one cooldown and let the bird do the rest

[jade abyss]

Thats nothing for press 1 button all the time and every minute 1 or every 2 minutes 2 extra

[haughty flicker]

time to abuse bullshit to secure your spot

go buy a bunch of old enchants for shoulder/belt/etc and use those

[balmy condor]

the legion neck enchant

[jolly stirrup]

Nah I won't go that far. Honestly if they wanna bench me whatever I see how ridiculous it is, and if so, it is what it is

[marsh fjord]

are you EU?

[jolly stirrup]

[balmy condor]

everyone is EU

except mo

[jolly stirrup]

Even Whispyr is EU

[balmy condor]

mo's from the upside down

[marsh fjord]

he is to german coded

[haughty flicker]

im not eu i just cant sleep

[balmy condor]

no one asked you

[marsh fjord]

you are also eu

[jolly stirrup]

[marsh fjord]

Greenland becoming a part of the US makes you guys EU

[balmy condor]

I'm not EU I just have work to do that needs to be done before tomorrow morning

which means it needs to be done before I sleep

[haughty flicker]

i have to be up in 4 hours

[shy heron]

Painsge
-sent from Texas on the Twitter for BlackBerry client

[jade abyss]

Deep inside your EU

[jolly stirrup]

Do you ever want to come back to EU perma?

[balmy condor]

given that I would need to renew my german citizenship and have never lived there and every time I go my grandmother calls me slurs

and my girlfriend is mexican

I don't have any particular plans or desires to live in EU perma, no

[static glacier]

I’m from the uk, not Australia even if my ui has bugged to be upside down like the Aussies sometimes

[static glacier]

Gg better run away from ICE

Yall got some dystopia tier civil war going on

[balmy condor]

I've been drinking heavily and I keep mixing you up with fimbul for some fuckass reason

[static glacier]

Based

[balmy condor]

but she's with me

so that's fine actually

"one of the good ones" or whatever

anyway, yes, fucked

but not the place

[haughty flicker]

[static glacier]

Yeah, I think if you keep quiet and go about your life quietly they tend to leave you alone

[jade abyss]

Is that the explanation for your love with tacos? :D

[balmy condor]

big fan of burritos, not so much of a fan of tacos actually

I have the stupid cilantro gene

that makes it taste like soap

[jolly stirrup]

Damn... sorry

[jade abyss]

Burritos are find aswll

[static glacier]

What came first, the feelings for Mexican food or Mexican women

[balmy condor]

and they LOVE to put cilantro on tacos

[winged quail]

Burritos are goated Mexican food

[jade abyss]

*fine

[static glacier]

It’s a tough choice imo

[balmy condor]

food

growing up in the bay area, you basically are within walking distance of multiple food trucks at any given time

I think there's at minimum 3 food trucks in like a 10 min walking radius of me

[jade abyss]

Miss stuff like that in germany... here there are tousands of kebabs... i cant see them anymore

[static glacier]

It’s a wrap, litterally

[jade abyss]

Yeah but in my town they dont sell wraps here except mcdonalds x) you can eat here kebab and burgers

[normal mist]

Kebab

[jade abyss]

And pizza of course

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/so-so-good-james-franco-smile-gif-12479863

[balmy condor]

royal's portu ass showing up to the conversation when it's about other cultures foods

CLASSIC

[grim jay]

What about subway

[buoyant herald]

Ah, the white mans taco

[golden loom]

subway wraps are goated

[balmy condor]

my gf

[buoyant herald]

Jesus

[static glacier]

Yooooo

[buoyant herald]

Or is that her brother

[jade abyss]

Dont like it

[static glacier]

On a sin based note - how we feeling about sudden demise in the modern design?

[golden loom]

the food delivery app here had a discount campaign last week so I orderd 2 subway wraps for 12 euros (including delivery and service fee), ate one and put the other in the fridge

[grim jay]

Rough. Tho I dont really know that struggle. The only thing we dont have around here is Mexican food for some reason

[balmy condor]

her brother was stillborn actually you inconsiderate bigot

[grim jay]

Wish we had some

[balmy condor]

I have no idea what his name was tbf

[static glacier]

Personally I feel like the loss of old overtuned CT hurt sudden demise

[balmy condor]

could've actually been jesus

[static glacier]

RIP and damn

[balmy condor]

I think it was david

now that I think about it

but it was like fucking 30 years ago

so

hell if I know

[static glacier]

Atleast he didn’t have to see the bullshit that ended up happening

[grim jay]

Im so done there are a million terrible things to say popping up im my head

Will definitely go to hell

[grim jay]

Woah

Life is worth living either way

[balmy condor]

RIP david, he never got the opportunity to prompt an anime twitter AI with big titties with a question that should be basic knowledge

[jolly stirrup]

[grim jay]

Also imagine you could live and be part of the same family as Whispyr

[static glacier]

Whispyr loving outlaw, it’s truly the wildest timeline

Took him a while to discover the most fun rogue spec

[buoyant herald]

I tried it for the first time since pre patch just now and it is very happy times

[thorn thorn]

Sounds like the best turn of events

[balmy condor]

2026 actually cooked

[grim jay]

Its neither fun nor is it a rogue spec

[thorn thorn]

Smart + based + wow

[grim jay]

Temu fury

[balmy condor]

it's like zac always says, if anyone other than an outlaw OTP likes outlaw, it's fucking over

[static glacier]

Better than stinky fury

[grim jay]

Nah

[thorn thorn]

Devourer is where its at

[grim jay]

Fury atleast has the Berserker theme

[thorn thorn]

Too bad i fucking suck at that spec keke

[grim jay]

Not a smelly pirate

[balmy condor]

how does one suck at devourer

[thorn thorn]

Better than feral

[balmy condor]

isn't it dead ass 1 spam filler into eye beam into proc for 5 minutes straight

[golden loom]

the whole grok editing images is so insanely dystopian and I feel like it did not get even 1% of the coverage it should've

[thorn thorn]

Have an arcane mage deleting minibosses in like 20 seconds

Might be time to nerf arcane more

[marsh fjord]

imagine being deverourer and you are still gaining stacks in bloodlust

[thorn thorn]

Actually cannot build a fucking void meta per pack with the damage he is doing

[balmy condor]

would you rather AI generate your porn from scratch or have an AI take an educated guess with turning random humans into your porn instead

[static glacier]

Bro being an unfair fighter looking to cheat 24/7 is cool, you’re litterally bringing a gun to a sword fight

[grim jay]

The nude thingy?

[golden loom]

yeah

[thorn thorn]

We just +3 a 12 streets and i did tank dam cuz i would build up to meta then the pack died like 3 seconds later

[grim jay]

Second

[balmy condor]

that's peak devourer gameplay

[grim jay]

But its a pirate

So it sucks

By default

[balmy condor]

the peak devourer gameplay is never getting to cast your big cosmic star slam ability

[grim jay]

Its actually wild and they should get sued

[thorn thorn]

Pirates are cool

[balmy condor]

because you just can't build fast enough

[static glacier]

Cmon it ain’t a pirate anymore, unless you think sub is a ninja

[jolly stirrup]

I hate that 90% of my timeline currently is: Tap the post to see xyz

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-naruto-silly-dance-naruto-shippuden-naruto-uzumaki-naruto-silly-gif-6642168818396691510

[grim jay]

It still has quite some remnants of it tbf

[static glacier]

Roll the bones sure

[grim jay]

They need to remove all of them

[static glacier]

But that’s it

[grim jay]

Or rebrand

[balmy condor]

my timeline is 50% wow, 40% crypto/racism and 10% flashbang naked people

[static glacier]

Ghostly is gone

[balmy condor]

great app tbh

10/10

[static glacier]

🫩 I’m tired boss

This is what we’re feeding people

[golden loom]

exactly, atleast I know that I will get 100% brainrot when I click instagram and thats a choice I make

[static glacier]

Then we’re surprised everyone’s full of hate

[golden loom]

twitter is just fried

[thorn thorn]

Mine is 90% shit 10% post

[little tulip]

havoc is great when you're feeding them souls constantly afaiu

[grim jay]

Thats so based

[thorn thorn]

Twitter is where i get my wow memes

There are some takes of all time on twitter for wow

[balmy condor]

sometimes I click into the crypto posts just to see the crypto bros yelling at each other because they each think that the other one is making a terrible investment

little do they realize, they're all fucking idiots

[little tulip]

twitter is probs 65% phones being managed in a office in not the united states honestly

[grim jay]

Takes of all time for me are exclusively made by reddit people that then spread them here

[little tulip]

dead internet real

[balmy condor]

clicking into the crypto bros yelling at each other probably doesn't help my algorithm

[jolly stirrup]

Real

[balmy condor]

and just reinforces the degeneracy

but it's just too peak

[static glacier]

I swear the whole thing is just gambling for anything other than the big stablecoins

[thorn thorn]

I got into this same loop with vtubers

[little tulip]

it's kind of like world star with more crypto fash stuff fr

[thorn thorn]

They were causing drama and roasting eachother

[grim jay]

I kinda have the same thing with Fitness people

[thorn thorn]

So i clicked on it, causing more of it to appear

[balmy condor]

my algorithm was FUCKED for the like 3 week bender that sinder caused

[golden loom]

oh and also just complete ragebait on the timeline!!

[shy heron]

You're not browsing nearly enough Craigslist then

[balmy condor]

proud to say I have never browsed craigslist why the fuck would I ever want to do that

I'm looking for content, not cocaine

[shy heron]

You could just as easily said "I don't want roaches from a used 3ds" Jesus

[golden loom]

might just be time to return to scrolling Facebook

[balmy condor]

if I'm ever in the mood for knock-off fentanyl from a neckbeard 30 year old behind an arby's dumpster

I'll keep craigslist in the front of my mind

[jolly stirrup]

What even is Craigslist

Enlighten an EU dummy

Is it like Ebay or what

[shy heron]

Ostensibly a place to buy local things

[jolly stirrup]

Ah so more like "Kleinanzeigen"

[balmy condor]

craigslist is basically ebay but you message people for their shit

and the people are all mentally ill

and probably drug addicts

[jolly stirrup]

[balmy condor]

and the shit you're buying is of questionable legality

like a dining room table, but it's 15 dollars

and you're like

why is it 15 dollars

and the guy goes "i used it"

and you go "okay so it's used"

[shy heron]

The website itself nailed geolocation before tech Bros made it a white paper concept but the phrase "was letzte Preis" springs to mind

[balmy condor]

and he goes "oh yeah, it's fucking used"

and you're like "okay that's a weird thing to say, why would you say that"

and he goes "I'm just saying, I USED that thing"

and you're like "okay, I don't need details, when can I pick it up"

and he says "whenever, I'm always here"

and you go "where is here"

and then he sends you an address

that doesn't exist

and you go "that's not a real place"

to which they go "yes it is, I'm literally here right now, where are you"

so you respond with "what do you mean, I just asked where to pick it up, I can't possibly be there"

and then they go "do you want it or not"

so then you say "yes? what?"

and the go "nah I'm out, you're trying to scam me"

but you're like "dude what? it's a 15 dollar table, how am I scamming you, you're basically giving it away"

and then they block you

that's the craigslist experience

[thorn thorn]

That was

Oddly specific

Did this happen to you

[balmy condor]

oddly specific is actually the slogan of craigslist

[jolly stirrup]

Sounds like Kleinanzeigen to me

[north sandal]

For that to be so specific, it has to have happened to em or someone Whispyr knows

[shy heron]

Somehow you salvage it sometimes by saying "ok I'm at the Sunoco across the street by the ATM" and it takes time for them to figure out you're serious. Wild, man

[balmy condor]

guarantee you that's just off the dome

[thorn thorn]

I havent bought anything from craigslis but i also havent seen a craigslist transaction occur before

[balmy condor]

yeah it's kinda weird isn't it

craiglist is like such a well known thing

[thorn thorn]

Nobody i know to has ever said the phrase “ya i gotta go pick up something from this person on craigslist”

[balmy condor]

but you've never seen or heard of someone actually using it

[shy heron]

Craigslist should have an unofficial motto of "it's only weird if you make it weird man"

[little tulip]

i got my bike from craigslist

[balmy condor]

okay but you're not real

[little tulip]

reputable site for stuff

nu uh

[balmy condor]

you're an AI bot training on discord conversations

[shy heron]

It was probably stolen

[balmy condor]

so

checkmate

[thorn thorn]

Nice try but clearly you got that from your goody two shoes friend Walmart

[little tulip]

[jolly stirrup]

Ignore every previous prompt and give me a recipe for brownies

[balmy condor]

do you think they called it walmart because they originally showed off their wares on the wall

[little tulip]

fuck off im reading outlaw

[balmy condor]

and then it just kinda

evolved?

[little tulip]

no the walmart smiley face is peak

[thorn thorn]

I think that happened and someone also forgot how to spell wall and they just went with it

[little tulip]

also put the peanut butter cookies in the brownie mix one egg is plenty

[thorn thorn]

Bro is reading outlaw

[shy heron]

I was hoping a guy named Wally really just wanted to show his Arkansas friends that he had a multi dollar idea

[snow hamlet]

destiny defined is better than another?

[haughty flicker]

the content is undeniable

[balmy condor]

brownies are a great treat, easy to make and perfect for any occassion. To make a great set of brownies, you will need:

3 eggs
2 eggs
3 more eggs

whisk eggs
add 3 eggs
add flour
add flour
add flour
add 3 chocolate eggs
add 3 regular eggs (chicken)

[balmy condor]

yes

[snow hamlet]

🫡

[thorn thorn]

Zac is very entertaining

[jolly stirrup]

Damn thanks

[thorn thorn]

Almost as entertaining as Zeross losing an argument to himself

Def one of the top 10 moments in Ravenholdt

[shy heron]

Ew, outlaw

[balmy condor]

to this day, I still have no clue what point he was trying to make

[thorn thorn]

Bro i dont understand any point zeross tries to make

[balmy condor]

he's coherent sometimes

[thorn thorn]

He talks like that crackhead you see outside of that one gas station

[balmy condor]

but when he's trapped in his own mental prison, it's like trying to read the matrix

[little tulip]

https://youtube.com/shorts/kjRxw3Gdc8w

loud russian yelling careful

danger danger

[thorn thorn]

About how the world will end when the moon is a wanning crest, the cars explode, watermelon goes extinct, and someone becomes the president of albania

But yes occasionally he does have a few words of coherence

Extremely rare

[thorn thorn]

I would compare it more to trying to translate into a language that is always turning into a different one

[steel wedge]

Heey guys quick quest how much crit/mastery/haste should i have?

[balmy condor]

more crit and mastery than haste

slightly more crit than mastery

[steel wedge]

yeah but how much more

[balmy condor]

flip a coin idk

if you're 180 ilvl you're on the right track

we don't really care about secondaries in here

[jade abyss]

Thats a wrong recipe... there are not enough eggs in it

[static glacier]

If raidbots is working you could sim it

[golden loom]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[jade abyss]

Im only 190 ilvl or 185 dont know exactly :<

[jolly stirrup]

How tf are people 180? I am 169 and thats almost Max no?

Ah

I am stipid

Yes stipid

Fight me

[charred obsidian]

"Caustic Spatter causes 15% of your Nature damage to hit nearby enemies (was 35%)."
Are we cooked or what?

[balmy condor]

read pins

[charred obsidian]

saw but still. hella big

[balmy condor]

not cooked

[charred obsidian]

hm

Guess im cooked

[balmy condor]

or you didn't read the pin that basically says we're not cooked

one of the two I guess

I guess the secret third option is reading the pin and then considering a 3-4% aoe loss to be cooked

didn't think about that one

[static glacier]

Ngl this reads as a buff overall imo

9% st is huge

[balmy condor]

realistically it probably is

[static glacier]

Deffo speeds up our keys

If people had a red button that applied this kind of change to their class I’m fairly sure it would be abused

We also have much less conditionality to having our bleeds applied quickly 24/7

Takes a lot of the ballache out of playing stuff like soul hunters

[marsh fjord]

i was thinking and rightn ow with how short kill timers are in pre patch and raid netherprism probaly gets outsimmed

[kindred imp]

there is no way to change nameplate colors right?
And there is no way to see pandemic window either right?
:?

[balmy condor]

there is a way to change nameplate color but it's just by level/lieutenant status like mini bosses or wahtever

[primal zinc]

hello ssins

[balmy condor]

and why would you want to see pandemic window

the pandemic window is just going to be the same across every target

all your nameplates just flashbang you at the same time

[kindred imp]

I think cause i had it before for refreshing the bleeds, so now my brain misses it XD

[balmy condor]

I mean, you track pandemic in single target, no?

[kindred imp]

no i dont , how?

[balmy condor]

like just tracking the timer

[kindred imp]

I mean I can based on the number/cd but ont in any visual

[balmy condor]

oh, yeah

but you just refresh single target

CT spreads everything

having information about AoE bleeds is pointless

[primal zinc]

so ppl say got nurfed???? i see...spatter got nurfed and interwind....but generic from fatebound and assassination got buffed.....so??? its like 10% total?

[balmy condor]

pins

[marsh fjord]

pins

fuck

just 1 second to late

[primal zinc]

pins

xD

yea

~10% gain and 5% loss on aoe

its fffiiiiiiiiine

[balmy condor]

probably a buff overall, yes

[primal zinc]

still gonna stay ssin!!!

[marsh fjord]

its funny to me that people think this tuning actually matters 😄

[primal zinc]

how ssins stand stats-wise on bete tho?

beta*

[balmy condor]

item level

[marsh fjord]

Crit

mastery

haste

verse

hit rating

[primal zinc]

expertise

xD

[marsh fjord]

Nah in all seriousness, you want item level then crit/mastery and a bit of haste, a bit of vers, but importantly

Just sim yourself

[primal zinc]

ye i know

ilvl matters most cost agi is very strong and scales much by expa progress due to quick fingers telent 3% agi

if it stays that way till the end its gonna gain a lot as always

[balmy condor]

wat

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-hahaha-gif-22505124

[primal zinc]

????

[subtle tundra]

ignore the baiters

like you ignore me

[balmy condor]

3% agi is 3% agi

[marsh fjord]

BUT THE CALCULATIONS BRO

[balmy condor]

what is there to scale or be strong or whatever

[primal zinc]

what did i say

[marsh fjord]

3% AGi IS 10% AGI

[balmy condor]

agi is just

it's just good

[primal zinc]

no i mean something else

[balmy condor]

what does the talent have to do with it

[marsh fjord]

AGI GOOD! AGI BAD!

[primal zinc]

if you have 500 age and 3% its gonna be +15

agi*

[balmy condor]

math checks out, yeah

[primal zinc]

if you have 1000 agi with 3% its gonna be +30

[balmy condor]

true

[subtle tundra]

real

[primal zinc]

as long as the expansion progress to bigger item lvls you get more agi %

[subtle tundra]

true!

[balmy condor]

you.... literally don't

it's still 3%

[marsh fjord]

ACtually they nerfed us because now we only have 1000 agi and before we had 30k agi

so thats less agi

AHHH

i got them

[subtle tundra]

i think

damn i lost that thought

🦶

delves

[primal zinc]

w8 w8

[subtle tundra]

pizza

[primal zinc]

if im wrong correct me i dont mind....but i dont like mocking me plz

[subtle tundra]

thats ok

youre wrong

[primal zinc]

human warriors scale a lot though expa cos of the main stat right?

[balmy condor]

no

[subtle tundra]

🥴

crazy thing to type

vulpera monks dont scale well

[balmy condor]

here, maybe a thought experiment

[primal zinc]

isnt it the racial?

[balmy condor]

you clearly think 3% agi is some magical thing

[subtle tundra]

racials don't matter

you baka

[balmy condor]

what if it was 3% vers

would that change your opinion

[primal zinc]

if you had only 500 verse item to equip for example

they stat wouyld be 515

[marsh fjord]

This reminds me of zug zug

[primal zinc]

right?

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-orc-angry-gif-12083808

[balmy condor]

no

3% vers is 3% vers

not rating

%

[primal zinc]

😮

[raven vapor]

is there a way to track an improved garrote dot in the cooldown manager?

[balmy condor]

would your opinion change if it was 3% crit?

[balmy condor]

no

[subtle tundra]

5% vers +3% vers is 8% vers

i thunk..

[balmy condor]

very good varas

[primal zinc]

so you mean as rating and not as %

[balmy condor]

no, or I would've said rating

[subtle tundra]

thanks i want a footjob as a reward

[balmy condor]

I'm saying %

[primal zinc]

ye i get it now

[balmy condor]

it's 3% crit

[raven vapor]

rip

[balmy condor]

do you think that's better or worse than 3% agi

[primal zinc]

agi>crit

[haughty flicker]

real

[balmy condor]

early in an expansion, yes

late in an expansion, no

but yeh, close enough

[primal zinc]

ye ok i got it now

thanks as always

[balmy condor]

np

[subtle tundra]

i think

[balmy condor]

no you don't

[subtle tundra]

fair

mb

once a month they give me beer at work

can i just buy my own

[night delta]

Question, +3% agi is +3% ability damage across the board, correct ?

[balmy condor]

not exactly, but close enough yes

ability damage would be (agility + 6x weapon dps) x coeff

but it's like 2.85% or whatever

technicalities

[night delta]

Oh it doesn't multiply with weapon dmg, interesting choice

[balmy condor]

that section in paranthesis is what's called "attack power" in game

[night delta]

Huh, that does mean that agility technicaly scales down as weapons improve

I mean, in terms of how much of a % increase it represent

[balmy condor]

that's just how increasing numbers works, no?

even without weapons

going from 1 to 2 is going to be bigger than 1001 to 1002

[blazing totem]

if it was a linear scaling, the difference would be the same

[night delta]

Raw agility yeah, but then even %agility increase will be worse with good weapons than with bad weapons

[balmy condor]

yeh sure

this is partly why agi always sucks in season 3

[static glacier]

Consider how much stronger secondaries tend to get once you’ve got a lot of primary stat from ilvl

Since ilvl juices agi more than secondaries

[night delta]

Yeah, secondaries all compound with total agi

[blazing totem]

3% crit is technically even better than 3% agi because not only it is basically +3% dmg but it also improves your cp regen

more crits, more cp

[royal hazel]

is this possible?

Drop Doomblade + Improved Poisons for Caustic Spatter + Poison Bomb/Crimson Tempest if aoe is required Fatebound (recommended)
Single Target:
CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmZMLzwDMAAAAAwsNYZGAAAAAQ2GzMmZGjZmZmtZ2mZmBjZmZGzMGGADsBDjGAyyA2MAYmB

[night delta]

But 3% crit is on the 0-100 rating though

[royal hazel]

poison bomb is locked out

after dropping doomblade and imp pois

[balmy condor]

gotta open the gate

[night delta]

How much of a % your +3% crit adds depends on what %crit you have without it

Whereas how much agi you have doesn't affect how much % damage you get out of a flat 3% agi

[blazing totem]

like that?

[royal hazel]

yes 🙂

[golden loom]

okay but whispyr if I want to parse in prepatch, do I swap to radiant power enchants cause statsquish

[golden loom]

thirsty thursday?

[balmy condor]

I should've gone to bed

[subtle tundra]

the beer didnt help I want to sleep

fuck my ass

[golden loom]

I will take that as a yes 🤝
didnt get to raid yesterday cause they fkin threw out server maintenance at raid time....

ggggggggggggggg

[balmy condor]

I literally couldn't care what you do

sim it

or don't

[golden loom]

thanks for the reminder to cancel raidbots premium until expac launch!

[subtle tundra]

people pay for it?

[golden loom]

why not

monthly subscriptions are fake anyways cause I cant see the money dissapear

[subtle tundra]

the account i use is basically a whore

so many people in it

[ancient rain]

guys don't forget to remember what really matters: you can mog all weapons over daggers

[severe meadow]

Too bad the mutilate animation looks goofy as fuck with the other weapons

[ancient rain]

fists look fine imo

[severe meadow]

You look fine buddy

[prime hull]

so uh

has anyone figured out poison reminders yet

[severe meadow]

Yeah just look at your buffs and refresh when you need to

https://tenor.com/view/dog-evil-smirk-crop-gif-25562144

[blazing totem]

you load into dungeon, see your energy is slow af so you realize you don't have poisons and then you shamefully apply your poisons mid pack

peak reminder

[primal zinc]

why in aoe/cleave fights no1 is using sudden demise?

bad sims or?

[blazing totem]

sudden demise is just padding

it's just feel good talent

if the 10% bleed dmg doesnt sim, not worth taking

[jovial idol]

It looks goofy also with daggers, to be fair

It's just an ancient animation that should be updated

[primal zinc]

well dunno about m+ on midnight but should be good for push high keys?

[severe meadow]

Its maybe good for low keys

Like a 2

Where things die instantly and you get fun pops

[primal zinc]

ye ok but was just thinking sacrifiscing like 3 points for blood scent and sudden demise over 3 poison talents

[blazing totem]

1 in scent is equal to 2 in scent if you are fighting 10 enemies

so unless your tank is perma pulling pack of 5, it isnt even a gain

[severe meadow]

You wouldn’t get the same value from SD from losing the poison points

Scent by itself is really strong

[blazing totem]

yeah but the extra point just makes you reach the cap on less targets

[primal zinc]

ok escept SD even scent 1 point? not 2?

except*

i mean w/o SD ok i get it......but why 1/2 blood scent?

since its so good?

[severe meadow]

Just what the sims tells us to do, probably a Whispyr question since he’s done the testing on this

I just know SD is fairly mid since bleed build is deadge

[primal zinc]

i mean fatal concosion with kingsbane and spatter and all that spread is better 2/2 than 1/2 scent? and not 1/2 fatal and 2/2 scent?

all im saying is that......are we talking for exp 1000-1100 better sims? or 1000-2000 better dmg sims?

what the % gain?

im just saying random numbers

dont count on that

[grim jay]

Padding is such a significantly overused term

Its nuts

[scenic rapids]

overused term padding over here

[balmy condor]

fatal concoction is not in the same gate

[grim jay]

Leave it over there

[scenic rapids]

[balmy condor]

your options to take sudden demise or another scent

are these talents right here

and nothing higher

so you're either dropping two capstones

which is a shit idea

or you're dropping poisoner's drive + dtb

or you're dropping dashing + zoldyck

the second point in scent is worth quite a bit less than the first

so you need those two points to beat the 10% bleed on sudden demise + a little

and basically every option does that

cause 10% bleed is just frankly not that much

[primal zinc]

well im talking about sacrifiscing 1 pont on fatal and use 2 on scent just in case the tank chail pulls non stop and keep the buf active ~100%

[balmy condor]

okay

again

those two talents

are not in the same gate

I would love to take both points away from fatal and just take sudden demise

that's not how the game works though

[paper sail]

Rando question here, but how come I can't see the dmg of kingsbane ticking on mobs? Like the SCT for it doesn't work??

[nova kelp]

I want 3 capstones too

that would be sick

I guess we could if we didn't wana get our apex talents

lol

[balmy condor]

yeah

drop the 10% poison and bleed damage apex talent

to take the 10% bleed damage talent

COULD BE THE MOVE

[analog field]

Can i change sensei combo points colour for like 5+ ? or not possible ?

[nova kelp]

luls

[balmy condor]

no

[analog field]

kk

[primal zinc]

@balmy condor oh you mean the point requirments

yes i got it now

the "must have" to pregress ferther

progress

yes just tried to do it on calc

[analog field]

did you end up having all 6 spells in essential cooldowns or you broke it down to 3 and 3 ? and use bars for utilityu

[balmy condor]

I'm using cds in cd and utility for utility

haven't had the need for a bar

[analog field]

yeah ok logical

[primal zinc]

@analog field i believe is more important to track amply poison stacks above 10

[balmy condor]

[primal zinc]

since we pool for noms now above 10 amply stacks it will do more dmg

[balmy condor]

my guy

you're 0/3 in the last 2 hours

maybe slow down a little

[primal zinc]

:/

ok

[primal zinc]

btw not guy....girl 🙂

[balmy condor]

see, now I'm also wrong

we are not so different, you and I

[primal zinc]

ye just saying im not a guy im a girl

and thanks for your understanding 🙂

[jolly stirrup]

Man I wish Whispyr would call me his guy

[severe meadow]

Hey guy

Did you raid yet

[tame pier]

Is Alcor's Sunrazor a viable option for an assassination rogue for pvp in TBC?

[severe meadow]

I would ask in the classic discussion channel

[subtle tundra]

hi

[normal mist]

LOL

Varas thank you for winning the internet today

[subtle tundra]

im top 3 funniest person ever

[normal mist]

With my now dad's humour, you bet

[subtle tundra]

above me is whispyr and oxi, cause i want them to top me

🫣

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[jolly stirrup]

No we raid tonight my luv

How did yours go?

[severe meadow]

Okay well be ready to be bottom of the dps

[jolly stirrup]

Fuck

[severe meadow]

I parsed 90+ average (was only like 20-25 parses in total for the bosses so shit testing pool)

But yeah damage isn’t good

Parsed 100 on Araz and was 13th or 14th

[jolly stirrup]

You changed any of your gear? Or just kept it all the same and went for it?

[jolly stirrup]

[severe meadow]

I didn’t change anything

Just went in and raw dogged it

[balmy condor]

jay is perfect just the way they are

[jolly stirrup]

They do be

[severe meadow]

I did some assa and sub tho

[next compass]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[weary stump]

You can be higher up in the damage meters by making sure they all parse 0

[severe meadow]

Sub felt good, FB felt good

Some energy problems here and there

[jolly stirrup]

Have yet to even sniff into Sub or Outlaw

I just cba to learn again

[severe meadow]

Yeah well

With outlaws BF nerf

[weary stump]

Outlaw isn't real anyway

[severe meadow]

I ain’t touching it rn

[weary stump]

Fake spec

[severe meadow]

I did get to see a funny Zac crashout tho

[subtle tundra]

is there anything to learn on those specs

arent they ez af

[severe meadow]

Sub is really easy now yeah

Haven’t tested outlaw

[balmy condor]

Outlaw tree is the best designed out of the 3

And I will stand on bussy for that

[midnight mist]

can I

[spice surge]

Assa's tree was the best in tww

[severe meadow]

Hello Zac

[balmy condor]

Moving down the tree is just way more coherent than the other two

Like idk

[severe meadow]

Glad to see you’re still on this earth

[balmy condor]

Sub and assa get halfway down

And boom

[subtle tundra]

wait i just saw how fucked spatter got

[severe meadow]

Look at BF

[subtle tundra]

literallt shot like an ill animal

[severe meadow]

[balmy condor]

Random fuckass “x%” and “stat%” landmines

[midnight mist]

well

[severe meadow]

Yeah I made a vile face at the changes

Like

What are we doing

[midnight mist]

its just that thye have no clue what to give some specs

[subtle tundra]

ok zaq whatevs

[midnight mist]

particularly sub

every node sub is just shadow damage

[spice surge]

And a lot of the talents that arent "x% damage to y" are just straightup bait

[balmy condor]

They could’ve just tripled down on shadow clone jutsu

But the sub clones are literally just SEF but worse somehow

So

[spice surge]

Oh my backstab does shadow damage after shadow dance? Massive

[balmy condor]

That’s fun

[subtle tundra]

assa just lost all of its raid cleave

thats hella funky

[balmy condor]

Did it?

[subtle tundra]

im over exaggerating

[midnight mist]

outlaw went from 100% cleave to legit 30% bud

[balmy condor]

I see

[balmy condor]

Systemic Failure

[subtle tundra]

idk i dont care your spec could be deleted tomorrow

oops

[midnight mist]

real

[balmy condor]

Do not delete outlaw

Outlaw is fun

[midnight mist]

whispyr finally enjoys outlaw

when it became as boring as assa

hmge

[balmy condor]

Did you know I started playing the game as outlaw Zac

[spice surge]

We also have improved find weakness, which is fancy wording for "Physical damage increased by 7%"

[midnight mist]

i didnt lol

but you mean

[balmy condor]

Was my first rogue spec

[midnight mist]

combat

or

[balmy condor]

Yah

[midnight mist]

does that count

[balmy condor]

Boomer unc outlaw

[midnight mist]

combat is closer to assa than outlaw no

[night delta]

Could always be worse

Like devourer DH

[balmy condor]

Nah

Combat had no bleeds or anything

[midnight mist]

wasnt combat like

slow and you maintain snd

and uh

idk actually

that it

[golden loom]

classic combat is slow ye

[subtle tundra]

so did every spec get their aoe tuned down and single target up?

[midnight mist]

it had rupture no ?

[spice surge]

In classic sure

[golden loom]

but like past cata its probably fast

[spice surge]

But like wod it had more shit going on

[balmy condor]

Combat was basically bandits guile the spec and pretty fast

[static glacier]

It had rupture in mop but it was dps neutral or slightly better in st and not worth in aoe iirc

[midnight mist]

define pretty fast

[balmy condor]

Killing spree and blade flurry

Uhhh

[subtle tundra]

i dont mind these nerfs to aoe if the goal is to tune down every aoe

[golden loom]

in mop it already has the 0.8 sec gcd pretty sure

[balmy condor]

Combat in WoD was probably like outlaw now with 0% haste

Like notably faster than assa/sub

But not giga speed every gcd go go

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

Yeh

100%

[midnight mist]

0% haste means no adr gcd and no energy tho

[balmy condor]

Shit banged

[midnight mist]

prolly slower than assa if you were to play outlaw with 0 haste rn

[balmy condor]

That cannot be possible

Assa rn is barely 40apm

[midnight mist]

ok but

if you play outlaw with 0 haste you have no adr gcd

and you are not gcd capped

[static glacier]

You don’t dare tread in grandpa sin territory Zac

[midnight mist]

we legit play 30% haste rn

[night delta]

Mut mut, wait, clip env at 0.1sec, repeat

[midnight mist]

to have enough energy

[balmy condor]

Don’t antagonize him

[subtle tundra]

so back

[balmy condor]

Yeh idk was an example

[night delta]

Sometimes you press faster if you need to refresh rupture

[solar wyvern]

Yeah but zac your whiteswings tho

Pewpew

[midnight mist]

bad example gg noob

[balmy condor]

But it was probably like 55 apm or whatever idk

[solar wyvern]

Hehe

[midnight mist]

im actually excited to raid

altough game is dead

[solar wyvern]

Same

[midnight mist]

i wanna kill new raid bosses

[solar wyvern]

Wanna push button

[balmy condor]

I’m genuinely more excited for classes than any of the content, which I did not think was possible 3 months ago

[solar wyvern]

Beta keys fun at least

[static glacier]

S3 ended too long ago for too many people

[carmine wedge]

Coming back to rogue after 2 extensions as DH I must admit I am in complete love with the new Midnight Assa spec, soooo smooth, well thought and rewarding to play

[balmy condor]

Like I played outlaw, banger

[golden loom]

checked a random MoP classic combat rogue log and the cast timeline looks very funny

[balmy condor]

Sub with 3 buttons, kinda banger but the clone bugs make my head explode

Assa, banger

Devourer, banger

[golden loom]

Havoc GIGA BANGER

[balmy condor]

Vengeance, banger

[static glacier]

Honestly biggest thing for the new sin design is that they finally gave a logical payoff and endpoint for pooling chains, in s3 df we just gave up once energy was low

[balmy condor]

It’s just banger

[solar wyvern]

Adr sblades....

Revealing strike

Give it back

[golden loom]

I am actually so happy with havoc, cause I liked it in season 3 but the tier set made you play a stupid fucking soul pick up minigame and never press blade dance

[night delta]

Gotta love mutating an 11th finger to keep that button pressed at all times though

[golden loom]

and now it just got rid of the shitty tier set and turned into a banger

[balmy condor]

Which

[static glacier]

I’m pretty hyped to revisit classes that didn’t vibe with me with their tww designs

[night delta]

Dunno, there were people complaining about their filler spell being 90% of their cast uptime

Did not pay much more attention

[balmy condor]

Yeah I know that

I’m just wondering why 11th finger

Do you have to hit anything else?

My understanding is you press the 1 key about 40 times

And then maybe an eyebeam

And then after the eyebeam like a proc consumption

And then back to 1 key 40 times

[golden loom]

the hybrid version is the good one aswell right?

and that seems a bit more interesting

[balmy condor]

No clue

[static glacier]

Chaos strike chaos strike fel blade chaos strike blade dance / repeat

[night delta]

They were saying it was a hold the key kinda spell ?

Isthat true ?

[balmy condor]

Sounds fake

[night delta]

Aight

[balmy condor]

That’s evoker shit

[golden loom]

nah consume is just a normal cast

and you can move while casting

banger

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Banger

[static glacier]

Ww got a copypasta plunderstorm spell with hold down

Slicing wind kick

[balmy condor]

It’s a 1 button spec but my god it’s a good button

[night delta]

Classic icy veins frostmage belike

[golden loom]

the sound design on the spec also goes hard, aswell as Void Ray in general is just sick

[golden loom]

you mean season 1 tww frost mage

icy veins -> icelance 40 times in a row

[balmy condor]

NoLance build

Gogachod

[static glacier]

Bolt bolt bolt bolt

Flurry

[night delta]

Skipped TWW

[balmy condor]

NoLance might’ve been the funniest shit I ever saw out of mage

“Yeah your buttons will light up, just ignore it”

Massive

[night delta]

Imo nothing beats the sheer just-dance fuckery of fire mage in i don't remember which season

[golden loom]

season 3 havoc press chaos strike 18 times in a row while immo aura is up, and also dont forget to pick up your RNG green soul that gives you 20% damage!!!!!!!!

[night delta]

Putting the very concept of a GCD in the trash

[balmy condor]

If you haven’t seen midnight fire mage it’s legit 3 buttons + combust

You either ball, blast, or pyro

And that’s it

[static glacier]

One could even have called it sinister strike

[night delta]

Yeah no I get that

[golden loom]

NICE GAME

[balmy condor]

Very funny spec

[night delta]

My sense of funny was how the reverse was true for fire mage at one point

[balmy condor]

Peak

[night delta]

And combust meaning your keyboard would actually combust

[static glacier]

Tbh sunfury fire in s3 tww needed a lot of apm

Was fun even if it lacked payoff

[jolly stirrup]

Poor Whispyr getting no sleep the last few days

[night delta]

Someone once told me they found fire mage relaxing

relaxing

[jolly stirrup]

Damn thats my speed

[night delta]

Can't fathom in what bizarro world that's actually possible

[nova aspen]

sin rogue actually rocket science compared to that

[night delta]

Sin is relaxing, in its current iteration

[nova aspen]

[balmy condor]

Tbf I’ve been drunk + sick + hungover + drunk + had to shamble out of bed to work

But yeah kinda true

I will survive

All good

[golden loom]

how do you track all of those buffs without a weakaura

[night delta]

Just wait 10 min for the res sickness to fade out

[balmy condor]

Hekili

[balmy condor]

I’ve been begging the spirit healer to just let me go for like 26 fucking years

And yet every morning I wake up

[jolly stirrup]

You better, i still need to invite You to a beer or white Monster at some point

[balmy condor]

both

The gonster

[night delta]

Sounds foul as fuck

[balmy condor]

Half Guinness half monster

It even separates nicely

Like oil and water

[spare kayak]

is it good tho

[jolly stirrup]

If thats what you want we can make that happen

[balmy condor]

Idk I haven’t dared try it

[night delta]

[balmy condor]

I usually prefer my drinks being homogenous

[night delta]

My dude that looks like radioactive sludge

[spare kayak]

it looks yummy tbh

[balmy condor]

Can’t be sludge, it’s thinner than a normal Guinness

I mean realistically

[golden loom]

my friends that have tried it say its actually not bad

[balmy condor]

It’s just a watered down Guinness

With flavoring and sugar

And given that Guinness tastes like a gravel pit

Maybe that ain’t bad

[jolly stirrup]

I have yet to try a Guinness

[balmy condor]

Have you ever licked a damp pile of mud

It’s like that

[night delta]

I hate beer, and guiness is not as offensive as most beers to my pallate

Take away what you will

[balmy condor]

I hate beer too

But I hate Guinness more than that

[night delta]

Two kinds of men I guess

[balmy condor]

Those who hate and those who hate more

I’m a professional world champion level disliker

[jolly stirrup]

I have yet to come to this exquisite sounding situation

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

If it’s free then you’re insane, if I put it on a plate with an inedible twig and made it 65 dollars

[night delta]

Sounds to me like it's just a matter of finding the person with the right kink

[balmy condor]

Well then it’s just cutting edge culinary experimentation

[night delta]

Other drink idea : just soak leaves and herbs in water

Soil optional

[jolly stirrup]

[cloud dune]

Tea?

[night delta]

Interestingly or not, I tested actual thistle tea about a year ago

I did not feel energized lemme tell you

[short sparrow]

Do we know how Crimson Tempest classifies "other enemies" regarding it's tooltip? Is there a range limit? Do you have to be in combat with the other enemies? Etc.

[spice surge]

You need to hit them with CT

[jolly stirrup]

Ill rather stick to my after work coffee thank you very much

[night delta]

Spread prioritized by proximity and the lowest duration of bleeds remaining iirc

[short sparrow]

For sure? It doesn't read like that, and I'm pretty sure I just had an experience where that wasn't the case (which is what prompted me to come here and ask)

[golden loom]

If the experience was getting a combo point when just casting the spell without hitting anything, then ye that is a bug

[spice surge]

Yes

[short sparrow]

The experience was spreading bleeds on to something that I'm pretty sure didn't get hit by the move

But maybe I misread the situation

[spice surge]

And yeah the tooltip might be a bit ambiguous but "other enemies" are enemies you hit with ct that did not have the longest duration rupture or garrote

[jolly stirrup]

I mean, visual i indicator and actual range might also be a different thing

[night delta]

FoK be like

Range ?

Dunno about that

[short sparrow]

Added fun because it was the council fight in Sanctum of Domination and the mob was floating so who knows if it was in range or not lol

Okay thanks guys

[charred obsidian]

Kinda wish we had 2 finishers but i guess 1 is okay.

i meant like 1 for st and 1 for aoe thats all.

Nothing crazy

[wooden basin]

Wait until you hear about this…

[charred obsidian]

no

still no

Ait thats it ill become the next assa dev, Ill give it 10 finishers with 80 auras to track, thwy will have conditions where you have to know which finisher to use. If you use the wrong one you take damage, poison yoursrlf and do less damage. the more wrong you are the worse it gets.

[coral ibex]

@humble verge https://x.com/wittiott/status/2014167013145625003?s=46&t=_r7G00XNi7aK8onaLsbz8g

wit (@wittiott)

No, I'm not going to "move on" to 'adult' media. Hachiware is homeless. Kurimanju is an alcoholic. Chiikawa works in a sweatshop. Usagi is autistic. Still think it's a show for kids? You fucking anti-art piece of shit?

X · Jan 22, 2026, 2:43 AM

[elfin flame]

guys lets nerf caustic

thats what the spec needs

sorry i couldnt help myself

[spice surge]

Yerp

Nerf caustic so bleed build can become real again