this is base game bug dont worry
#assassination
unreal parcel
Just a heads up, the same thing happened to me on beta with just rawdog no addons. The damage meter is prema unmovable for me after I made another edit profile for my monk.
Same bel
unreal parcel
I bug reported it but... lol
haughty flicker
sour rose
anyone found a working poisoner addon?
potent oak
What are most people using for energy/combo point tracking?
sour rose
What are most people using for energy/combo point tracking?
sensei class resource bar personally
acoustic roost
Default personal with the health turned off
ancient rain
sensei because others don't have health bar on them
severe meadow
What are most people using for energy/combo point tracking?
My eyeballs
Whatever default is
prime hull
anyone tried both plater/platynator and have a case for one or the other?
humble verge
Just a heads up, the same thing happened to me on beta with just rawdog no addon...
theres no way 
prime hull
i like jundies profile but he has a profile for both
severe meadow
when they cant fix basic stuff
sour rose
theres no way <:ICANT:1186144678341509260>
disable and re-enable the damage meter in edit mode then u can move / resize it
humble verge
disable and re-enable the damage meter in edit mode then u can move / resize it
bro you dont THINK ive done that 3000 times
normal mist
i dont :c
sour rose
idk just peeked at rogue dc and this is an issue i experienced myself and solved it like that
sorry for tryna help boo
normal mist
uber silly goose
prime hull
idk just peeked at rogue dc and this is an issue i experienced myself and solved...
rogue discord is the best
little tulip
okay first big complaint the bliz damage meter doesn't show what people are hitting
had a surv hunter staring at adds while the pulsar in gamba was ticking and they can just say nuh uh
my and the outlaw are staring at it politely and after the fact they start evaporating somehow
magic style lol
subtle tundra
need to crack whispyr
torn dome
anyone else not able to click into this box?
sweet hemlock
a friend of mine had that issue, couldn't figure out how to solve it though
humble verge
whats happening with bnet app showing the old pop up now?
sharp viper
whats happening with bnet app showing the old pop up now?
george is at it again 
long hawk
Has the energy squish hit pre-patch or is it still about the same till inexorable ?
lofty junco
not gonna lie...playing without elvui is worse then playing without weakauras
balmy condor
what energy squish
agile wedge
from reading tooltip, why would i ever press fan over ct, as ct does more dmg and spread dots
rotund oak
not gonna lie...playing without elvui is worse then playing without weakauras
dont wanna discourage u or anything but elvui is a weakaura based interface
toxic spear
is there an addon that changes how these tracking bar looks? Like elvui style; no gaps no ugly ass classic borders?
royal lantern
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1463622433243140282/image.png?ex=6972801c&is=69712e9c&hm=bc0b103dba7e7858bbbba77f0d1e2018840a21ab0fa09a06d89a6cf7c9fb76e0& 2026 spec CD manager 
gray raven
zoinks
lucid rune
Sin feels good. Iâm digging CT
gray raven
it's fun in m+ on FB - i have PTSD from deathstalker to get over
fallow canopy
@prime hull are you still looking for a way to remove the yellow swipe of bleeds and stuff?
prime hull
<@1292434421714260058> are you still looking for a way to remove the yellow swip...
yeah
no idea how
fallow canopy
you can do it with ArcUI
prime hull
i dont want to use arcui
its super vibecoded and buggy
and using broken apis blizzard is likely to patch out
fallow canopy
oh
uneven plume
is anyone elses recrafting not working?
prime hull
uuf + bettercooldownmanager is super snappy and nice
arctic dust
how is it looking , Death or fb?
Same question here. While the wowhead guide says FB has to be the move for Raid Cleave, me hitting the two dummies led to DS producing ~5k DPS more after about 3mins (18k vs 23k, embarassing figures compared to Frostmage and Furywarrior guildies)
heavy jolt
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
- Without the Apex talent there is no reason to pool, once midnight drops this will update with whatever logic is found
lethal vector
uuf + bettercooldownmanager is super snappy and nice
Whats uuf full name? Can you use both of these to get rid of swipe on nameplates & on the cooldown manager?
lethal vector
Damn it
prime hull
except arcui
sick garnet
Is there an addon that shows missing/expiring consumables/buffs like poisons, flask food etc?
Before i used clickable raid buffs by funki but looks like it isnt supported anymore
acoustic sky
!bugs
lethal vector
prime hull
setup looking clean on all char with this setup
torn dome
is there a way to remove these in blizz ui? and keep them in the middle
lethal vector
ill wait for fix rather than use arcui
Thats the only workaround i've seen for swipe but i haven't tried it myself. Up above
prime hull
hmm
lethal vector
Apparently fuu says you can add your cd's as custom. But i haven't tried it yet
prime hull
replacing essential cooldowns with a custom group instead?
thats good on rogue
but other classes have stuff light up on the essential cooldowns when buffs proc
doesnt happen with custom frames i think
spark warren
Seems we'll have to wait for a bit longer, for a proper ElvUI update ^^
fervent relic
Maybe a stupid question, but will the racial boni have a real impact in midnight season1?
balmy condor
no
fervent relic
Lightforged draeni inc
deft lark
Hello Rogue , Someone have Addon with Custom Combo bar ? đ
lofty junco
Seems we'll have to wait for a bit longer, for a proper ElvUI update ^^
yeah. tbh feels so naked without elvui
lethal vector
replacing essential cooldowns with a custom group instead?
Yeah its super annoying. Wanna get rid of that swipe + the cdm showing buff duration on the icon instead of the actual cd
little tulip
ice hud works
jolly stirrup
Am I tripping? Or did we loose 50 energy
little tulip
just turn off the health bars if they make things weird for you
safe tapir
Assa feels so weak isnât it?
jaunty notch
it does
little tulip
survival hunter is currently worth 1 1/2 assassin/outlaw rogues ye
safe tapir
How are other specs?
jaunty notch
I think sub is ok
quiet oriole
I wouldn't worry about damage numbers till way later. Im just going by flow and vibes on specs atm 
safe tapir
All of them feel so simple đ
severe meadow
Anyone got an addon that allows 3D portraits (guildie question)
mint urchin
All of them feel so simple đ
They are all more streamlined rotations while also missing apex talents so yeah
jaunty notch
It's prepatch, ignore most classes dmg
yeap
subtle tundra
MIAU
thorn thorn
@severe meadow
digital elk
is there a way to remove these in blizz ui? and keep them in the middle
I have an "addon" that runs commands on loggin/reload that achieves this. It does a ton of extra shit but I removed everything else because that's not what you asked
-- This file is loaded from "AutoExec.toc"
local frame = CreateFrame("FRAME")
frame:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD")
frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function()
PlayerFrameBottomManagedFramesContainer:Hide()
end)
Whatâs up pookie
severe meadow
<@93553108243714048>
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slate crown
I have an "addon" that runs commands on loggin/reload that achieves this. It doe...
it's things like this that I wish I still could use WA for
oh well
sharp lily
Lol
sharp viper
shadowed belt clasp 
sharp lily
Double socket
sharp lily
Yep, old enchants can be applied
slate crown
incredible
sharp lily
Shoulder inscriptions, neck enchants
sharp lily
My ui is a fucking mess
slate crown
I've literally been playing with zero addons since WA announced their death
I wanted to get ahead of it
waxen oyster
<:hehe:1462670609791057930>
does it actually proc
haughty flicker
idk havent tested it
but can use other enchants too
just old stat ones or whatever
sharp lily
Wait nvm wrong proc
slate crown
yeah
rotund oak
is that what it grants now?
not aware i assume its the same yeah
sharp lily
Dancing steel procs and gives 23 agi
rotund oak
gutted
haughty flicker
so far it doesnt seem like any of the damage proc enchants are actually proccing
rotund oak
so nvm
haughty flicker
just based on hitting dummies
rotund oak
all downgraded
twilit knot
does anyone know how to remove poisons from the nameplates, its driving me nuts lol. I use Plater and the buff/debuff lists dont seem to work.
haughty flicker
stuff that just gives stats do work though
sharp lily
Hidden Satyr procs, just does doo doo damage
haughty flicker
shoulder enchants op
royal lantern
irrelevant but tried to search pirate information on the pirate channel
did you find something bettwen the "look at my dmg meter at the end of a m+ run" spam?
rotund oak
did you find something bettwen the "look at my dmg meter at the end of a m+ run"...
nope,the brainrot and toxicity thrives
even after all these years
F that place
sharp lily
wait sophic devo is 52 according to wowhead
Sophic procs for 62 agi at rank 3
sharp lily
Yeah its pretty low
severe meadow
wtf is happening to my mog
flint tusk
Bleed spread too op
karmic dawn
wtf is happening to my mog
Corrupted shredder
halcyon flame
this tuning is trolling 4 sure
thorn thorn
Fucking rip caustic spatter
tight ginkgo
tropic jewel
halcyon flame
aoe was shit already :))
flint tusk
true
thorn thorn
Whispyr r u seeing this shit
flint tusk
in before assa becomes gigapumper ST spec again the go to 10% ahead of everyone in ST
thorn thorn
ic ic
red schooner
I shall patiently await the video for the pookies.
vivid elm
red schooner
I'm not even subbed I'm just here for the vibes
uneven plume
"Spec is fine just play it slow and pool energy. We dont need any tuning were fine" - Whispyr, 2025-2026
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hopefully they nerf caustic to 5%
coral ibex
there will be like 5 more tuning passes before midnight drops
uneven plume
15% still too strong
uneven plume
xD
severe meadow
go checkout Zac
Have been
uneven plume
hes slitting wrists rn
severe meadow
it's a little funny
atomic creek
Do we shut down the channels?
glacial relic
Spatter o7 Bleed build my old friend here we go again
frozen iris
zac is going wild lol
flint tusk
he's the biggest babyrager in the whole of ravenholdt
past forum
Milder than the day Dreadblades died
flint tusk
and then sub got it
haughty flicker
rip dreadblades though
flint tusk
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tame swan
so assa aoe sucks now?
flint tusk
honestly i'm kind of ok going full on rot mode
haughty flicker
once daddy whispyr is back he can say
near valley
caustic did cannabalise the aoe tbf but not sure how bad these numbers are
severe meadow
Not sure the aura buff makes up for it though
tame swan
which spec is the stronger right now? I am new to rogue and trying to find my way into it for the first time in midnight
flint tusk
Like aoe in terms of bosses with tiny adds it'll suck for sure. but any longer stuff we'll have to be tuned better for bleeds but any bleed buffs amp our bleed cleave also so it's a strange one
flint tusk
which spec is the stronger right now? I am new to rogue and trying to find my wa...
right now play what you enjoy the style off numbers will mean nothing for 6 weeks
having fun over number chasing always
tame swan
having fun over number chasing always
I like both sub and assa, they are quite unique in their own ways
glacial relic
Cmon guys be more positive, Fb Auto attack reduction bug fixed 
haughty flicker
well
lucid rune
I feel like the bleeds should be the bulk of the damage... but buff poison bomb for rng goodness đ
haughty flicker
the last two times they "fixed" a fatebound bug
it didnt quite work out
so third times the charm maybe
flint tusk
I like both sub and assa, they are quite unique in their own ways
I'd say keep doing that and bouncing between the two i've been playing them both pretty much interchanably this whole expac depending on what i feel like.
tuning will always be fairly close. despite what wowhead commenters say
lucid rune
sin = master spec
tame swan
I'd say keep doing that and bouncing between the two i've been playing them both...
yap, both are nice. Outlaw feels like a wanna be survival hunter
flint tusk
I feel like the bleeds should be the bulk of the damage... but buff poison bomb ...
honestly this. i'd love if pb was like a sure thing with an envenomed envenom (ignoring numbers) but full rot mode is pretty cool dynamic considering our other specs
flint tusk
yap, both are nice. Outlaw feels like a wanna be survival hunter
Don't let Zac hear that from outlaw channel
lucid rune
sin should be melee affliction
lucid rune
caustic spatter is basically melee shadow priest lol
lucid rune
10% of all bleed damage heals the rogue
especially with all the support healing buffs. we just heal ourselves
cerulean burrow
so .. do we not have to cast mutilate to get caustic spatter anymore ?
lucid rune
envenom triggers caustic now
crude helm
And KB
cerulean burrow
ohhhhh so will the oe ability that caustic spatter causes go off as soon as it is applied during the first envenom ?
lucid rune
honestly this. i'd love if pb was like a sure thing with an envenomed envenom (i...
you're cooking with the PB envenom with the envenom buff active idea.
cyan surge
I still have the serrated bone spike buff. Rip.
cerulean burrow
or does it go of during the second envenom after caustic spatter is applied from the first envenom ?
lucid rune
or does it go of during the second envenom after caustic spatter is applied from...
caustic spatter just gets refreshed on whatever target you use envenom on
balmy condor
yes
nimble tartan
which spec is the stronger right now? I am new to rogue and trying to find my wa...
sub
cerulean burrow
sweet
so ... can we like ramp out dammage a little faster now ?
I feel like this is less buttons to push
lucid rune
no shiv
cerulean burrow
or less globals prior to the big dam coming out
flint tusk
If anything the hot fix today makes that more no than yes as the spatter is reduced guess it depends on the scenario bleed spread may be more damage than spatter rush
cyan surge
I'm going to miss aoe shiv. Had such fond memories of it in both pve and pvp.
flint tusk
moment for AOE blind on a cap point triggering the whole enemy team
cyan surge
Thing had a 20yd range or something.
royal lantern
im pressing my shiv keybind everytime im about to use kb
is that how phantom pain feels like
flint tusk
oh don't i'm dreading doing an actual opening my brain is so hard wired
same for sub opener i'm pressing 4 buttons that have literally nothing on them T.T
gentle sedge
same for sub opener i'm pressing 4 buttons that have literally nothing on them T...
yeah i am pressing buttons that no longer exist its like phantom pain
thorn thorn
im pressing my shiv keybind everytime im about to use kb
Oh ya well just dont do that
Its quite shrimple really
cyan surge
I'm like WHERE IS MY 2ND SHIV?
peak badger
is it possible to track how many targets u have rupture and garrote on through essential cooldowns?
balmy condor
no
peak badger
ty
solar wyvern
Fellas does a 10% aura buff and a 10% coin buff justify nerfing aoe by 60%?
Also get fucked DS no compensation for u
grave blade
rogue huge now
acoustic sky
Fellas does a 10% aura buff and a 10% coin buff justify nerfing aoe by 60%?
Als...
currently MALDING
spice surge
Fellas does a 10% aura buff and a 10% coin buff justify nerfing aoe by 60%?
Als...
Werent we talking the other day about how theyve nerfed the prio of most other classes but kept rogues intact?
Or well, cleave while doing full prio
spice surge
If all of your damage was caustic yes, but its not
flint tusk
60% of spatter not 60% of ours
pastel roost
Fellas does a 10% aura buff and a 10% coin buff justify nerfing aoe by 60%?
Als...
Not sure about your maths
spice surge
Gives bleeds some room to actually do damage, but ye its a big change
snow hamlet
time to go bleed build
solar wyvern
Werent we talking the other day about how theyve nerfed the prio of most other c...
Im psure this just makes our prio stronger
idle radish
yeah but what about outlaw guys
scenic rapids
i have it under good authority that if it bleeds, we can kill it
haughty flicker
yeah but what about outlaw guys
has outlaw considered using its bleeds to supplement aoe
solar wyvern
I mean tbh i kinda like the change, need to make something that empowers envenom and just lean into the arcane mage damage niche
Let sub and outlaw be aoe guys
spice surge
Well yeah but the cleave damage youre doing while doing full prio is lower
Theyve reduced passive cleave across the board
flint tusk
in before people mention sub rogue
scenic rapids
dae sub rogue
flint tusk
"but that has 75% cleave" no billy 75% of specific damage not everything!
agile wedge
can somebody explain me please, why we still use fok although we have the new ct? the tooltip reads, as if ct does more dmg and also spreads dots ofc. or is it about energy efficiency?
spice surge
CT costs way more energy, and energy is scarce
spice surge
60 is a bigger number than 35
scenic rapids
can somebody explain me please, why we still use fok although we have the new ct...
remember old fan of knives where they just kinda arced and fell to the ground
oh didn't mean for that to be a reply
my b
snow hamlet
has outlaw considered using its bleeds to supplement aoe
In fact, outlaw's cleave damage has already been significantly reduced, while the ratio of rush and initial BF damage has been increased.
haughty flicker
none of those sound like bleeds
gray raven
so if we gain 10% overall and lose 20% caustic is that zero sum lol
solemn gale
scenic rapids
thought everyone liked to FoK
does everyone else not fall asleep to 12 hour fok asmr videos?
lean plover
We got bleeds to do aoe dmg i guess, but then you lean into the dots in st vs aoe tuning nightmare
Oh well
gray raven
so that changes how many CTs you want to cast up to 3?
rather than 2 and start blasting
junior yoke
if I cast 2 CT I run out of energy like in 3 more moves
haughty flicker
i think we already wanted to cast ct until everything was bled
bleeds are stronk
lean plover
Ct also deals a lot more dmg than fok
gray raven
if I cast 2 CT I run out of energy like in 3 more moves
I'm not at all - AOE energy (at least with FB ) seems fine
i've only done a few 12s so far
flint tusk
Also can i say this will never not get old. (won't be keeping but still funny as hell)
sick bridge
I'm still trying to understand why we don't pool before Kingsbane. There are two options:
- You don't pool at all and Envenom on cooldown from 0-60s (after opener), then Kingsbane and only get 70-80% Envenom uptime because you're energy starved and can't chain 100%, which means less poisons applied during Kingsbane.
- You pool for 10 seconds before Kingsbane, then chain Envenoms during it for 100% uptime, which means more poisons applied during Kingsbane, and the same number of total Envenoms as if it you didn't pool.
I don't see how #1 can in any way be better for DPS than #2
spice surge
You cap kingbane regardless
fleet pagoda
super charged combo points and the apex talent would make pooling kind of redundant i think?
for kb i mean
strange python
why is fatebound now recommended for prepatch
spice surge
It got changed
balmy condor
I'm still trying to understand why we don't pool before Kingsbane. There are two...
apex talent gets you 10/50 instantly, you get the other 40 stacks very quickly thereafter
on top of that, the uptime of envenom at the start of kingsbane matters way more than the end, cause you want to ramp as fast as possible
so like imagine you lose 3 seconds of envenom uptime somewhere in your kingsbane
losing it at the start, big suck
pulsar gulch
we dont need thistle tea or shiv anymore in our bars right?
shiv doesnt appear to be needed and thistle tea is basically passive?
balmy condor
losing it 10 seconds in when you're only going to get another 2-3 ticks? doesn't matter
which then means you're basically only giving a shit about envenom at the start
and with apex getting you to 6cp guaranteed
it's automatically handled
haughty flicker
we dont need thistle tea or shiv anymore in our bars right?
shiv doesnt appear ...
tea entirely passive, shiv you can do some gaming with still
pulsar gulch
tea entirely passive, shiv you can do some gaming with still
whats shiv realistically doing? or purely defensive
haughty flicker
whats shiv realistically doing? or purely defensive
balmy condor
but you can fucking ignore that
pulsar gulch
right o
balmy condor
cringe ass min max
crude helm
cringe ass min max
Hater
haughty flicker
im not letting shiv go
pulsar gulch
and if i read correctly fatebound bis for everything atm
balmy condor
Hater
this ping just delayed the patch note breakdown by 10 minutes
sass me again bitch
haughty flicker
agile wedge
with current fighttimers, is it even worth to spec into cleave instead of st?
crude helm
Demise value on dimmy trust
balmy condor
it's prepatch though, does it really matter if it's worth speccing into cleave or not
loud light
min maxing prepatch dps while the DKs pat you on the head for doing a good job
balmy condor
do you REALLY care about the 2-3% dps you might be missing out on
little tulip
maybe
balmy condor
fractillus taking 1:37.5 instead of 1.37.4 because I didn't spec out of caustic spatter
thorn thorn
do you REALLY care about the 2-3% dps you might be missing out on
meeting still?
thorn thorn
most excellent
haughty flicker
most excellent
obi delayed the breakdown though so gotta wait
acoustic sky
flint tusk
fractillus taking 1:37.5 instead of 1.37.4 because I didn't spec out of caustic ...
Pure Grief that is.
totally not pinging to delay notes
fallow canopy
fractillus taking 1:37.5 instead of 1.37.4 because I didn't spec out of caustic ...
Gotta gain the 0.x to game with TW gear to shit on the clown raid that doesn't matter on prepatch 
solar wyvern
so doing some napkin math these changes essentially lead to better prio, better boss dam, and about 3-5% less overall aoe? i took a log and applied the mathies
thorn thorn
+30 gee golly
fallow canopy
that's another 10 boli
I'll go sit in the corner 
little tulip
..did a bunch of floodgate 17s missing a bit of prio damage and it felt a little diabolical tbh
thorn thorn
I'll go sit in the corner <:xla:1283127722180087808>
Another 10
fallen moss
missing poisons addon anyone?
timid falcon
Yoooo due to fear of ui anxiety, someone log into my account and fix it for me. Thanks.
Havenât logged in yet this week due to procrastination and fear, both have consumed me.
flint tusk
just deleted system32
hardy rapids
how is assa looking or is everyone still unsure?
timid falcon
Apparently, we are in meme territory and pre-patch is a joke
I think itâs still bugged on the beta
hardy rapids
is it sub time :(
flint tusk
it's no bodies time it's prepatch
hardy rapids
fair enough
little tulip
yes, crunk the meters time is now
hardy rapids
just gotta wait for the official launch
timid falcon
Except survival
hardy rapids
whats the issues with the spec right now?
balmy condor
it's buy blue timewarped gear that's bugged at 600 ilvl and one shot a +40 in 6 minutes
flint tusk
and finding ways to min max your damage with old enchants because fuck the system
balmy condor
unless they fixed that with the emergency maint
little tulip
they fixed that passably
hardy rapids
no access to the apex talents and such?
flint tusk
it's buy blue timewarped gear that's bugged at 600 ilvl and one shot a +40 in 6 ...
Don't forget the surprise Pikachu face when you wake up banned xD
balmy condor
apex talents are midnight
flint tusk
HOW COULD THEY?
indigo leaf
15% spatter 
hardy rapids
and caustic seems to be a lot worse on the beta, says it only 15% instead of 35%
timid falcon
Yea havoc demon hunter soloing a 40 key was fun to see
hardy rapids
apex talents are midnight
thats what I meant my fault
spice surge
unless they fixed that with the emergency maint
They did
I think they fixed the embellishment giving 1600 vers too
timid falcon
it's buy blue timewarped gear that's bugged at 600 ilvl and one shot a +40 in 6 ...
Was this the same reason mythic bosses were dying under 2 mins?
balmy condor
Beta tuning
Overall a pretty hefty nerf to our AoE, but it's compensated by a large aura buff. These sorts of AoE nerfs have been coming to other classes over the last couple weeks, so this was sort of expected, even if it looks bleak
Based on some rough beta sims/logs/math:
- Losing about 3-4% AoE
- Gaining about 8-9% Single Target
Beta is still in full swing, as is apparent through this tuning. We will be fine, no dooming, only hopium :)
balmy condor
Was this the same reason mythic bosses were dying under 2 mins?
no, that's just prepatch
1:30 mythic fract kills are intended if you can believe it
timid falcon
Crazy
balmy condor
there's some logs out there of 8 second fract kills
that are invalidated
and those are the bugged ilvl
but the like 4 min dimmy kills and skipping platforms on nexus king and shit
that's just prepatch tuning
prime hull
man that spatter nerf has to be one of tbe harshest aoe nerfs ive ever seen
Over half of it gone
spice surge
8% isnt that drastic for a beta tuning patch
balmy condor
to be fair, it's a 20% talent that's competing with fucking 1.5% talents 
it can take a nerf
prime hull
i guess assa needed better single target in dungeons for a long time, and the good aoe was holding it back
past forum
anyone having an issue where when you swap specs it deletes all your spells off your bars? other than shared spells like utility and such
prime hull
But with ct gone and being so envenom focused spatter waa carrying like the entirity of the aoe
Pretty harsh
balmy condor
I mean
it wasn't though
it's carrying AoE just as much as it would with a standard non-bleed build on live
it's not inherently much stronger on beta compared to now
glacial crypt
that's just prepatch tuning
preach it
fleet pagoda
anybody else log in with like 30k agi stored in their prism?
glacial crypt
anybody else log in with like 30k agi stored in their prism?
one shotting dimensius tech 
balmy condor
I mean assa basically has 2 buttons if you squint
you got your bleed and your envenom
what more do you need
glacial crypt
that's good enough for me, looking forward to heavily relying on your massive brain soon
prime hull
it was weird i setup my assa and sub bars and had 3-4 essential cooldowns/debuffs
balmy condor
my brain is shriveled do not rely on anything
glacial crypt
you WILL theorycraft you WILL
prime hull
Then my dh needed 8
timid falcon
If you squint hard enough it actually says play outlaw.
scenic rapids
is there an addon that lets you change the personal resource display. or is that a no-go with the new addon restrictions
balmy condor
I logged in on vengeance and it was legit like 700 buttons compared to anything on rogue
scenic rapids
tyty
glacial crypt
If you squint hard enough it actually says play outlaw.
tbf this is the most based play
balmy condor
devourer is 3 buttons
vengeance is 300 hundred
havoc is like 150
I don't
really understand why
but like good for them for having options I guess
spice surge
Assa has more things to track than Sub so my UI i made gets scuffed
prime hull
same each spec is a different length lol
spice surge
Why tf yall need more than 3 damage cooldowns/effects to track smh my head
prime hull
Yep
glacial crypt
dh used to be known as the 0 button spec compared to rogue too
bfa demon hunter was a thing of beauty
timid falcon
RIP focusing iris
prime hull
i had to setup my uuf so it auto expands the space between player and target frames
based on the length of the cd manager
Cause some specs are 9 buttons some are 3
mint urchin
Assa has more things to track than Sub so my UI i made gets scuffed <:garf_sit:1...
I feel this. I made my UI on one class and tried to apply it to others and... well... some empty spaces remain
fleet pagoda
sbs still haunting anybody else?
solar wyvern
ne wbug detected gamers
If you garrote twice with shrouded, only the first garrote applies the bonus 2 Combo points
@balmy condor add it to the list!
vital flicker
so has anyone pointed out that the Ilvl limit no longer works because they weren't reduced with the stat squish, so now you can put extra sockets on belts and use last expansion enchants
cerulean burrow
do we use thistle tea during opener still ? or does it not gie us a damage boost anymore or whateber ?
balmy condor
If you garrote twice with shrouded, only the first garrote applies the bonus 2 C...
what
how the hell does that work
balmy condor
so has anyone pointed out that the Ilvl limit no longer works because they weren...
massive news for the unemployed prepatch minmaxers
balmy condor
do we use thistle tea during opener still ? or does it not gie us a damage boost...
it doesn't give mastery, just let it auto-proc
cerulean burrow
it doesn't give mastery, just let it auto-proc
oh wow ... this feels so much easier i mean it wasnt hard before but ... its like sort of nice
can i essentially take tea off my bars ?
balmy condor
not essentially, you probably should
your dumb monkey brain hitting it and wasting 10 energy is worse than letting it auto-proc and guaranteeing the energy isn't wasted
cerulean burrow
your dumb monkey brain hitting it and wasting 10 energy is worse than letting it...
so i upkeep my garrot and rupture with crimson tempest .... ?
will it ever run out ?
gray raven
CT does not extend the duration it just spreads it - you just have to track one set of bleeds
cerulean burrow
ohhh so ill vanish to reapply garrot anr rupture sometimes if a pack takes long to kill ?
then crimson tempest after?
gray raven
only if you need imp garrote which isn't the end of the world if you don't have it up
cerulean burrow
hmm i gotta see hwat improved garrot does
doesnt it just spread it to more targets ?
gray raven
right garrote, rupture on one target, spread the blood with CT
not anymore that was IC
balmy condor
CT spreads
and it spreads the same duration, it's a copy of the bleeds in that moment
so
you just don't target swap
hit main target with things, duplicate to everything
all the bleeds run out at the same time, so you just refresh on main target, spread again, repeat
cerulean burrow
okay
vital flicker
just don't put deathmark on the wrong target or you're SOL
cerulean burrow
so when i refresh on the main target thats more than likely when iill vanish ? unless its almost dead then i can save it for the next pack ?
gray raven
between that and not playing with deathmark anymore it feels like getting out of an abusive relationship lol
cerulean burrow
just don't put deathmark on the wrong target or you're SOL
do i put it on the mob with the most health or something ?
mint urchin
It was an abusive relationship
vital flicker
do i put it on the mob with the most health or something ?
you just play fatebound
nova aspen
anyone else experiencing the blacklist not working on jundies plater or any plater?
balmy condor
welcome to midnight
timid falcon
guys I found an escaped exploiter: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZRW7K3gXJDytcN9Q?fight=2&type=damage-done&source=3
nova aspen
in aoe, when to DM seems obvious.
but in ST, do we still want to send an envenom then deathmark/KB?
severe meadow
i'll shield you
nova aspen
nevermind i'm blind
flint tusk
https://tenor.com/view/gun-gif-22839895
i'm a rogue bitch.
think i'm actually saving anyone but myself!
digital venture
!ui
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gray raven
did other classes lose aoe stops? aoe blind going away is kinda cheeks
spice surge
Mages lost one, non elemental shamans lost one
But yeah its a bit weird that they removed it
gray raven
i didn't even realize until i was doing a floodgate lol
solar wyvern
<:what_the_glerp:1354153442997829642>
yeah weird ass bug, until further notice im palying avulsion
spice surge
Why are we using garrote twice 
median igloo
!plater
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balmy condor
Why are we using garrote twice <:Hmm:1113516656807919676>
Razor wire
Itâs worth maxing pandemic
fallow canopy
welcome to midnight
Wdym its barely 9pm
balmy condor
Also cause youâre duplicating the time from the main target
So youâre essentially getting extra pandemic time worth on every target you spread to
spice surge
yeye i just figured it was worth more spreading it to more targets than getting a little bit extra duration
balmy condor
Aoe doesnt exist in that size afaik
gray raven
logical or not my opener has been garrotte X2/rupture/CTX2 into CDs/envenom spam
balmy condor
Like it would have to be legit like 30+ targets
main bobcat
balmy condor
Caustic spatter is dead though?
zenith tree
Is Crimson Tempest supposed to be generating a combo point off nothing?
gray raven
it's weird and puts you in combat too
or at least it was last night
in combat with nothing
zenith tree
Not getting combat in open world by just pressing it at least
gray raven
no you're right - it's not putting me in combat now just giving the point
thorn thorn
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GMwTy8WApnHfJKFz?fight=last&type=damage-don...
Spatter still top dam
Very nice
uneven plume
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GMwTy8WApnHfJKFz?fight=last&type=damage-don...
bro playing with ai bots
solar wyvern
bro playing with ai bots
when the group damage output is normal and not mage warlock 
uneven plume
flint tusk
smash desk Let me do UI stuff damnit!
Least i got 90% of it done
only things i'm not happy with is a few tweeks on the unit frames/damage meters and enemy nameplates
loud yew
Hi, Iâd like a opinion on the Rogueâs utility now after the nerfs to AoE Blind and Iron Wire. Donât you think we lost too much at once? I mean, we have kidney shot but...
severe meadow
Hi, Iâd like a opinion on the Rogueâs utility now after the nerfs to AoE Blind a...
Yeah we bring good vibes or something
haughty flicker
well atm aoe blind is technically better than ever
its just likely unintended and will disappear
loud yew
one of the least popular classes in game, and now with less utility than before
runic hinge
People donât play classes for their utility
haughty flicker
i do
runic hinge
Okay so do I. I lied
haughty flicker
i heckin love utility
flint tusk
cloak???
CLOAK??
FEINT BRO!!!
all those suckers needing healing CD's let me just pop this 12 sec CD and ignore it lel
night delta
all those suckers needing healing CD's let me just pop this 12 sec CD and ignore...
a lil' evasion on top if you feel cheeky
loud yew
I mean, AoE silence + damage reduction at the start of each pull was very good, and AoE blind + damage reduction with blackjack was huge too
spice surge
Most people werent playing with iron wire anyway as it was a large dps loss
And for some reason blind is still AoE if youve talented into the cdr
But thats likely getting fixed
night delta
a lil' evasion on top if you feel cheeky
and why not add a Tempted Fate proc on top
flint tusk
hmm question if you CT imp garrote does the IW go with it (i doubt it but curious)
haughty flicker
nope
loud yew
Most people werent playing with iron wire anyway as it was a large dps loss
last time I played was in DF, but I was hoping to fit it in my build now
not the case apparently
night delta
and danger sense
If everything lines up well, (Elusiveness-Evasion + Feint + Danger Sense proc + Tempted Fate proc), we're looking at 65% damage reduction, assuming all of those are multiplicative
spice surge
Yes everything is multiplicative, not additive
But also bait and switch in deathstalker gives more than tempted fate
severe meadow
Thank god we got that buff, might've been 14th
haughty flicker
negated by the psychological damage you take playing deathstalker
digital venture
10mins before reset, my cooldown manager vanished completely, even after disabling all my addons, I am hoping the server reset is for that xD
night delta
But also bait and switch in deathstalker gives more than tempted fate
true lol
night delta
negated by the psychological damage you take playing deathstalker
Returning from dragonflight, having tested both deathstalker and fatebound... f all that noise
gimme the entirely passive, zero brainspace hero spec all day
merry raven
fatebound is pretty brainless isn't it?
night delta
yeah, that's what i meant
spark warren
After playing Deathstalker in M+ for the whole of Midnight, I hoped it would be brought behind the barn, shot in the face, and we'd tell the kids it went to life free in the forest.
Instead it's still there, unused (thankfully), but still there đ đ
balmy condor
And worse than before!
spark warren
Somehow
night delta
i thought i'd prefer the class fantasy of deathstalker over fatebound... but both are basically invisible
merry raven
give trickster assassin
night delta
and tracking mark + darkest night, while not that hard... well if I can play something just as viable that doesn't have to do that... I'm gonna do that
spice surge
And if you have your mark on the paladin bosses when they pop bubble
Then the mark is gone for the rest of the fight
So hopefully nobody accidently presses BL a few seconds too early (when you BL 2/3 bosses pop bubble)
night delta
give trickster assassin
damn I just looked at trickster
gimme the Tricks of the Trade talent plz !!!
this is just so funny
generate 0 threat all fight
balmy condor
Lowkey hate that talent
Simply because it gives the illusion that tricks does something
digital elk
it lets me prepull
balmy condor
Based actually
spark warren
And if you have your mark on the paladin bosses when they pop bubble
Or on bosses that don't really die but actually just fall and stay at 0 HP while another phase or some RP starts. After 40 seconds the mark is gone since it stayed on the still-alive-but-dead-0-HP boss đ„Č
night delta
Simply because it gives the illusion that tricks does something
you're always last to catch aggro during a wipe, and therefore need no repair budget
spice surge
it lets me prepull
It actually doesnt, unless you specifically pull with shuriken storm/fok
spark warren
Or bosses that disappear during an intermission. The second goddamn boss of Al'dani is awful for that
gleaming geyser
tricks let me live platforms on NK when tank was slow going up
precast evasion + tricks 
spice surge
Because theres a very very very small delay before tricks transfers its aggro, so if you shadowstrike the mob will smack you before its transfered
spark warren
Died a few times like that đ„Č
digital elk
I pull with evasion on anyway
I've never raided in a group that doesn't have a moonkin puling at like 8s
balmy condor
Tricks is a button for boomers that think aggro is a relevant metric in any situation other than just running face first into mobs 30 yards away from your tank
tall jay
Hey! Iâm a boomer âŠ
spark warren
Tricks would have been useful back in MC when you had to wand/throwing knife DPS for 30 seconds to let the tanks build boss aggro x')
But ever since ~WotLK it's been just a funny button
river socket
I'm sure I'm really bad so what is my ST rotation in keys. like what am I supposed to do. I'm just getting slapped
tall jay
Didnât use to buff the other rogues in the group if you used it on them?
I thought we used to tott each other
night delta
Didnât use to buff the other rogues in the group if you used it on them?
yea there was a dmg buff attached
spark warren
It gave damage bonus yeah
balmy condor
I'm sure I'm really bad so what is my ST rotation in keys. like what am I supp...
Maintain Gar + rup
Deathmark + kingsbane on cooldown
Spam mut -> envenom until your fingers bleed
spark warren
I was the only rogue in my raid group back then so I used it on the ferals (which back in wrath were "rogue except better at everything while being easier")
balmy condor
Didnât use to buff the other rogues in the group if you used it on them?
PvP talent still does that
river socket
Should I be Ds for keys?
balmy condor
Doesnât matter
balmy condor
No clue tbh, whatever amount of crit and mastery is high, bit of haste, not a lot of vers
151 is very low yes
spark warren
That makes a lot more sense yeah
river socket
yea lol
river socket
yea
balmy condor
When 30 ilvl before the squish was already a fuckton
river socket
ok back to work
balmy condor
So now youâre basically what
5? Tiers behind
An expansion and a half behind in gear 
split veldt
are we vanishing for imp gar?
gray raven
Before deathmark
night delta
An expansion and a half behind in gear <:kek:915029250854256641>
Well my character boost for returning sent me to a neat and round 80 ilvl
that's kinda low, ain't it
balmy condor
Well my character boost for returning sent me to a neat and round 80 ilvl
Nice, just 100 ilvl to go
night delta
no biggie
split veldt
Before deathmark
so no vanish until second deathmark?
balmy condor
80 ilvl probably good enough for mythic raid with how slaughtered everything is
night delta
Oh I ain't prepatch raidin'
balmy condor
Maybe if you stand in a mechanic itâll do half your health
That would be exciting
night delta
got limited time to farm all those juicy house stuffs
balmy condor
250 exterior limit though
severe meadow
balmy condor
severe meadow
this feels not correct
balmy condor
32k
severe meadow
Dad I miss my damage
balmy condor
Seems good
night delta
i've seen quite a few reddit posts, doesn't seem that bad with a little bit of imagination
marsh fjord
Jay
severe meadow
Hello
marsh fjord
What position is that in your raid
severe meadow
13th
night delta
Any sense in tracking your fatebound coins with the buff management ?
marsh fjord
Is assa just undertuned in pre-patch or why does this happen?
night delta
or can i just can it entirely ?
severe meadow
Idk what it is, Assa feels really not great right now
marsh fjord
or can i just can it entirely ?
You dont have to track the coins. but i think its cool to see if you are stacking properly
severe meadow
But probably need some more tuning / apex maybe
marsh fjord
i mean boss fights are very quick which doesnt benefit assa at all
severe meadow
It also doesn't help bosses die in less than 2 minutes
night delta
You dont have to track the coins. but i think its cool to see if you are stackin...
I mean if I have barely zero control over it I don't see much of a point, except to feel good/bad when looking at it
coin sprees don't affect our decision making, does it ?
tell me it doesn't
balmy condor
It does not
night delta
alright, I guess then I can relax and focus on retraining myself on the base sin mechanics
whole sand
if they actually fix blind being aoe this is gonna stink
rain oyster
anyone know or have an omniCC replacement for cooldown text on actionbars? default is so ass
severe meadow
My raid just shouted me out for the 100 parse at the bottom of the dps chart
im going to blow my shit clean off
exotic hearth
Is there/will there be any addons that will let us keep track of bleeds or will that be a manual only thing from now on?
jade abyss
You can track bleeds with the cd manager
night delta
I think the API that helped addons track combat things is mangled now
jade abyss
Its not so sick like a weakaura but the manager is okayish
night delta
basically don't count on add-on doing combat stuff for you unless its severely jank
haughty flicker
addons can do quite a lot with the cooldown manager
like for most people it'll be very similar to a weakaura package
just more annoying to set up
jade abyss
Press muti into envenom?
haughty flicker
apply bleeds then press cds
jade abyss
Look wowhead
digital elk
how are you confused but haven't looked
jade abyss
Whisp does a great job like always
haughty flicker
wowhead and #assassination-faq both have good info
night delta
same but basically it's in its simplest form
runic hinge
night delta
Apply bleeds, DM, KB and start the envenom chain
jade abyss
<:Tall_Stu_Side_Eye_1:1436529673147256923>
Goat !
night delta
(when we have the apex talents)
winged lintel
thatâs pretty much what i did. i was running with guild i was like 8th in dps and it felt not as rewarding so idk if it was a me issue or what
jade abyss
Its prepatch dont care about it
gray raven
Itâs dead simple now
night delta
with apex, we'll just let env buff briefly fall off every 5 envenoms to get energy out of it
it's like, the most involved thing of our entire rotation
gray raven
I do sorta miss the satisfaction of a nice aoe shiv on a bunch of bleeding targets but deathmark can get bent. So freeing without it
jade abyss
Its insane how fast bosses are dying
The way to the bosses are longer as the bosses himself
severe meadow
free dimmy mounts
night delta
question, in Fatebound, does Deal fate give +1 combo point per crit on the mutilate ?
Or just +1 if it crits either of the 2 hits
thorn thorn
free dimmy mounts
How are your prepatch parses doing broski
severe meadow
How are your prepatch parses doing broski
fart
broken fractal
What are people pulling single target on the dummy rn?
severe meadow
20-30k
severe meadow
no your damage is just kinda bad
broken fractal
Better than me being bad
thorn thorn
how are your parses in comparison to your rank on the meters
severe meadow
for whats that worth
thorn thorn
severe meadow
how are your parses in comparison to your rank on the meters
We up but we down, you feel me?
thorn thorn
Might wanna go to the dr for that
exotic hearth
I think I suck at the new AOE build bc I only did 4k in HoA đ
Other dps were 6.7 and 5.2 (Surv and Ret)
slim copper
my plater is broken now. It is showing all of the debuffs. but before it only tracked the ones i had in buff tracking.
is this a similar experience for others?
split grail
Dumb Question: Is there a way to know if the garrote you currently have on a target is improved other than remembering you cast it from stealth?
rough sundial
you can track it with the ability tracker, you can have separate ones for improved and regular
options->gameplay enhancements->advanced cooldown settings->buffs
split grail
ty
rough sundial
sure thing!
split grail
Hmm..maybe I'm stupid but the imroved garrote tracker is only tracking the 6 sec buff
So is the window on refreshing the improved garrote on opening very tight?
haughty flicker
waxen oyster
why not tier
haughty flicker
no amirdrassil enchant smh
waxen oyster
wut de
haughty flicker
thorn thorn
thorn thorn
<a:ShakeYourBlooby:1364867682742046790>
haughty flicker
me when i glorp
faint crescent
Do we have any addon for combo points or just personal resource display?
timid stratus
I'm currently using SenseiClassResourceBar
faint crescent
Thanks ill try that
tawdry halo
low key I would use personal resource display if I could do more thanjust change position and toggle on/off both health and energy. can't even choose to toggle off just the healthbar
buoyant herald
I mean you can say that about almost every part of base UI
haughty flicker
buoyant herald
Iâd use it if it would only do the one extra thing to make it useful
haughty flicker
its wild we still dont have bars hidden until mouseover in base game
whole wind
anyone using jundies that know show to blacklist all the stuff like caustic/atrophic/amplifying on the nameplate
the blacklist through plater doesnt seem to work
hallow token
May I, briefly, express feeling mopey, like no matter what I do, despite improving gear, I can't seem to put up good numbers? I can accept skill issues. But it seems like we're bugged and/or undertuned? Compared to, say, Havoc, or Fury, or whatever. Ok. Thanks for the chance to vent a little.
!fuu
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jolly stirrup
Worst part for me is running low on energy in AoE 
gray raven
May I, briefly, express feeling mopey, like no matter what I do, despite improvi...
it's kind of simpler than ever - are you having issues aoe or st? it's not any more complex than keep 2 bleeds up, CDs when they are up and envenom
jolly stirrup
But I guess its just getting used to it
jolly stirrup
it's kind of simpler than ever - are you having issues aoe or st? it's not any ...
That was not his concern
haughty flicker
the blacklist through plater doesnt seem to work
blacklisting is no longer possible
blizzard decides what you see or dont see on nameplates
jolly stirrup
blizzard decides what you see or dont see on nameplates
Blizzard can
gray raven
That was not his concern
"i can't put up good numbers" is asking for help with rotation is it not?
jolly stirrup
jolly stirrup
"i can't put up good numbers" is asking for help with rotation is it not?
He feels like we are undertuned, I also feel the same way, but I guess you could interpret the message the way you did as well
I have the rotation down, yet I feel like I do poo on the dummy
jolly stirrup
do you have poisons on
Yes
hallow glade
youre supposed to space out envenoms
if you want something more fast paced outlaw might be that
gray raven
i've only been doing 12-13s today for kicks and it seems fine, i've not played since before turbo boost and i'm not struggling to keep up with people in the 160s item level wise
jolly stirrup
Oh I am not talking about AoE, there my damage seems fine
gray raven
oh just raid ST?
jolly stirrup
It just feels a little of
hallow glade
well you dont have the energy sustaining apex talent
gray raven
we're getting like 10% bump per the notes today
hallow glade
you could be playing deathstalker for all i know
gray raven
in ST
hallow glade
youve given zero information besides "it feels wrong"
its not really designed with pre patch in mind
you might just have bad stats idk
jolly stirrup
we're getting like 10% bump per the notes today
We are reclearing tonight, so I will get a real feel on how I compare to others
jolly stirrup
youve given zero information besides "it feels wrong"
Well thats all the information I can give you. My stats are fine. I can just speak of personal experience and that of my guild that also spent some time on the training dummy. Like I said, we will see tonight
hallow token
Switched to Fatebound following Whispyr's recent videos and the new Assassination guide. I am ok pooling energy to chain envenoms. I'll double check the stats. It was interesting that we switched from mastery to crit. I'll go watch some ltp fatebound vids or something.
gl in there, Mr. Posh. Thanks all for the commiseration and things to think about/look into.
jolly stirrup
Don't worry about it too much. With time experience will come
Also prepatch is apparently supposed to be a mess
So I will just wait and see what happens
normal mist
Switched to Fatebound following Whispyr's recent videos and the new Assassinatio...
As Fatebound we wanted as much CRIT as possible, so we didn't really switch
haughty flicker
Wait they murdered caustic
dont look at blade flurry
mfw psychic link is 45% and blade flurry is 25% (baseline, the hero talents buff it a bit)
runic hinge
I wonât. I donât even have a one hander to try outlaw
hallow glade
Higher prio is always good if m+ looks anything like the last season
normal mist
I wonât. I donât even have a one hander to try outlaw
Tmog 2 thunderfury and imagine you do
runic hinge
I got some 1handers tmog on one outfit but I do like daggers better
normal mist
Based and fair take
runic hinge
Iâm also a full set Andy so what do I know
haughty flicker
torn dome
I have an "addon" that runs commands on loggin/reload that achieves this. It doe...
Epic! Thanks dude - will DM you to figure out how it works xD
grim jay
Higher prio is always good if m+ looks anything like the last season
Unless there are better prio specs that get taken over your spec
Then you wouldnt want as much prio
hallow glade
Thatâs why I said if itâs like last season
Assa was a nonstarter, outlaw required a specific comp, and sub commonly lost out to dh for prio damage or shaman for overall / util
If sub/assa did very high prio damage then they couldâve taken the havoc spot
In many dungeons you had to use obliterate as a dk depending on comp because the bottleneck was prio damage
Even if you have âtoo muchâ prio itâs still very useful on bosses and you can play around it by having them target different things
I did some highish keys last season as assassination with an enhance, and did not run into much issue of too much prio
grim jay
Whats high-ish tho
uneven plume
never too much prio
grim jay
There definitely were cases where you kinda lost time and sabotaged eachother if you had too much prio
uneven plume
never
grim jay
Instead of having more aoe
uneven plume
give me as much prio
golden loom
There definitely were cases where you kinda lost time and sabotaged eachother if...
did a 12 floodgate with assa havoc arcane
hallow glade
There definitely were cases where you kinda lost time and sabotaged eachother if...
Thatâs why you just hit different guys
Also in many cases this season
Itâs âhydrogen bomb a caster and then chain asapâ
Like HOA
grim jay
Thatâs why you just hit different guys
Doesnt always work and there certainly is a reason that in most high end keys people didnt bring two insane funnel specs
hallow glade
BM is a funnel spec without funnel bro
They didnât bring two funnel specs because enhance assa and arcane werenât good this season
sudden grotto
Aoe cc not being a thing is probably going to be one reason
grim jay
They didnât bring two funnel specs because enhance assa and arcane werenât good ...
Arcane was in many of the top keys?
hallow glade
It was in 1
hallow glade
Because itâs a small target count dungeon where they can cheese the first boss and ranged is way better on 2nd boss
grim jay
No
hallow glade
Youâre bringing a mage to a comp with a prot warrior
hallow glade
Bm was an st bot in keys
Go look at a high db log
Or streets
They can do 20% more st than other specs
grim jay
They can do 20% more st than other specs
Doesnt mean its a St bot by a long shot
They did strong overall, which includes cleave/aoe
Not just St
hallow glade
If I kill a boss in 3:3 instead of 5 minutes because I have a class that does 20% more st than the next spec, my overall increases. Understand how that works?
grim jay
Aoe is still way bigger numbers and more often than not has more impact on overall
Sin suffered from that for quite some time
Understand how that works?
hallow glade
You just did not push keys last season idk
haughty flicker
grim jay
Even someone that wouldnt have played at all could look at the leaderboard and logs, while also knowing that too much funnel certainly is shit if you give up aoe for it
But I will stop arguing with you because its like talking to a wall anyways
drowsy hollow
I feel like I'm playing classic with the energy pooling
grim jay
I feel like I'm playing classic with the energy pooling
Its not THAT bad
I do kinda like how it will play soon so far