assassination

[humble verge]

lads

what do we think

are we coping the rest of tier

or getting that 95 sh

[coral ibex]

the lion does not concern himself with logs between december and march

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/ちいかわ-シーサー-ぱたぱた-パタパタ-ねぇねぇ-gif-11540105792910961190

this lion does

[keen spruce]

The lion does not concern themselves with logs.

[haughty flicker]

lions love logs

https://tenor.com/view/simba-dancing-lion-king-pumbaa-timon-gif-8591675

[keen spruce]

(ducks also like logs)

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/log-cabin-log-logged-get-logged-lolol-gif-20978297

[pliant silo]

which one is worse for dps:

• starting out of stealth (lose one coinflip)
• skipping envenom before shiv-dm-kb

[balmy condor]

The second

[pliant silo]

I assume one coinflip is kind of a drop in the bucket

since it can be heads anyway

[royal lantern]

its a single flip out of like 200

[pliant silo]

yeah it's also like ~3 seconds of envenom uptime in cds so I have no basis for comparison

4 seconds

3 seconds duplicated

so ~7 seconds envenom uptime, but kingsbane derives some value from poison procs etc

mental math made impossible, too many layers

it's slice uptime

also

didn't consider that

kinda cringe u can't click off double jeopardy

once you've stealthed it's gg

[royal lantern]

you are honestly slightly overthinking stuff rn

[runic hinge]

Couldn’t be me. I never think

[pliant silo]

nah

4p bug is far far more consistent if you are starting your cds with <=2 coinflips

if your opening rupture + envenom result in 3x of one flip outcome (which is 67% of the time because of Mean Streak), you are dependent on seal fate + deal fate (crit rng, approx 50% bug proc rate at ~40% crit which is lowball estimate)

so 33% of the time it's free (1 coin), 67% of the time you're at 3 flips -> 33% success 33% fail
approx 66% of the time proc bug

versus like 99% if you are 2 or 1 flips

so I'd start out of stealth to guarantee the scenario and drop one coinflip in the opener

[junior yoke]

morning guys, as I remember mr whyspir shared a Weakaura wich track deathstalker mark, am I wrong?

[scarlet orbit]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[acoustic sky]

Do you guys know WHY this man uses vanish BEFORE death mark ?

Aren't you supposed to vanish AFTER kb ?

[balmy condor]

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[acoustic sky]

Thanks it's clear !

[pliant silo]

he skips the envenom 🙂

staying on 2 coins for bug abuse

xd

[acoustic sky]

yea it's a salhaadar mythic fight

[balmy condor]

Surely

[acoustic sky]

it's for timing on emp

[acoustic sky]

wut ? is this a thing ?

[balmy condor]

If you want to believe it, yeah it’s a thing

[pliant silo]

only if you're chinese or spend a couple hours target dummying

here's the chinese rank 2 fractillus

[acoustic sky]

yea its a chinese player

[pliant silo]

r1 plexus

[balmy condor]

It’s not uncommon for China to have different sequencing btw

[pliant silo]

yeah these are bugged logs tho

[acoustic sky]

I thought it was a timing issue, to get back your deathmark on time

[balmy condor]

Their theorycrafting culture is driven heavily by copy pasting streamers

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean bugged logs will be at the top

The bug is a dps increase

That’s just how statistics work

[pliant silo]

.

[balmy condor]

If you say so

I have nothing to disprove that

[pliant silo]

assa rogues never escaping noob spec with the culture in here fr

[balmy condor]

???

The noob culture of relying on data or what

[pliant silo]

if you say so

[balmy condor]

The fuck you mean if you say so it’s your opinion

You just said that

[pliant silo]

"relying on data"

you have to actually do the science

to have the data

[balmy condor]

Yes

[acoustic sky]

W-Man, do you have a non bugged Mythic Salhadaar log ? I would like to improve my timings and understanding

[pliant silo]

you have to dump CDs on CD

1:30s line up

with platforms and burn

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It’s very tight

[pliant silo]

no delay

if 4p bug... then I guess delay

probably not worth straying from the typical timings (add pad, burn amp)

lorrgs agrees

[balmy condor]

Yeh, gotta pad to parse

Just a really awkward fight all around

[pliant silo]

whispyr, if you want to hop in disc sometime I can show you a fuckton of clips worth of trial and error in 4p bug testing, and explain my current understanding of the behavior

generally just doesn't seem like there's interest

(end of phase, doesn't matter etc)

[balmy condor]

Yeah the lack of interest is because the expansions over

It was tested to shit early in the patch

[pliant silo]

I find it strange that it wasn't... solved

like depending on the exact setup, there can be RNG involved

[vestal wren]

bugs are sometimes complicated enough to be difficult to pin down

[pliant silo]

but the (behavior of the) bug is extremely consistent

activating it requires some specifics

[balmy condor]

Well the closest we got was that you have to hit 7, then slam the other to 7 before the coin hits you

And then blizzard changed it

And that wasn’t it anymore

[pliant silo]

it's still basically that, the coin itself just isn't a reliable visual

[balmy condor]

It’s never been

[pliant silo]

also there's a weird additional proc

with meld

but I haven't tested that on a raid boss and suspect combat drop on dummy was the cause

of that completely separate bug with the same 4p result

I can just literally proc the bug 10x in a row

if I want

[balmy condor]

Yeah on a dummy

[pliant silo]

wherever

I am nelf

so I alternate vanish meld and can 7/7 each DM

[balmy condor]

So could other people on PTR, but then it never was consistent on raid bosses

[pliant silo]

eh

I'm debating whether it's even a gain

to proc the bug on purpose

versus keeping a high coin streak

[balmy condor]

Liquid and Echo spent a lot of time trying to get it consistent

Like A LOT

Insert clip of exile crashing out

It’s not for a lack of trying lmao

[pliant silo]

to consistently set up the bug you'd have to envenom until coin streak breaks if you're like 5+ streaking

but if you delay too long then what's the point

and you can use the edge cases to just take that already high streak even higher

pretty big if tails

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Tails ain’t all that bad either after the fixes

Heads*

Tails probably wins because it generates combo points for god knows what fuckass reason

Fatebound spaghetti is unmatched

[pliant silo]

forgive me for potentially poking the bear here

but would you prefer if the bug were not solvable or game-able

[balmy condor]

I’d prefer if the bug were fixed

[pliant silo]

because it would validate ignoring it

[balmy condor]

What

[pliant silo]

like it would've been a boon for the community if there were information available about it

[balmy condor]

There was

[pliant silo]

like if it turned out to be consistently replicable

(which I believe to be the case)

that would be a failure of general assa community tc

IMO

so it's better for everyone here

[balmy condor]

Yeh but it didn’t turn out that way, at least not until the patch was over and blizzard fiddled with it on 3 occasions

[pliant silo]

if it's just ignored

less i know the better etc

[balmy condor]

What are you talking about

[pliant silo]

blissful ignorance

sunk cost fallacy

[balmy condor]

Blissful ignorance of what

[pliant silo]

an extremely powerful, abusable bug

that went unsolved in english-speaking communities

[balmy condor]

Who was ignorant about it

[pliant silo]

... english speaking communities I suppose

[balmy condor]

Okay?

I don’t get what the point you’re making is

[pliant silo]

I was asking if you feel at all like you might be unwilling to explore the bug further because even if it turns out to have been manipulable, it's too late anyway and "doesn't matter," and any proof would just feel bad because you were a bit adamant about it being "RNG bullshit"

[pliant silo]

but i did lead with this

[balmy condor]

I’m not unwilling to explore the bug

I explored it

For many hours

As did plenty of other people

No one could make it consistent

Now it turns out that it might be consistent, for whatever reason that might be after multiple changes and stealth hotfixes and other people testing it

And that sucks

It is what it is though

I’m not going to sit here and lament and cry and beg for forgiveness for not finding stuff, cause it’s fucking hard

It got missed

Unlucky

Happens

It isn’t the first and it won’t be the last

I’m not gonna lose sleep over it though

I felt what I did was right and that I did it justice

I made note of it, got people together to test from around the world

I publicized it

Explained the understandings the community had about it

And offered myself to anyone who could find a way to replicate it

And for months, no one could

So like you can try and stick it on me as a failure of my position if you’d like I guess

You have a right to think about me and my work whatever you’d like, you’re an individual capable of your own thoughts

But I wouldn’t have done anything differently and I think I did my part

[vestal wren]

If you are aware of the cause or a consistent way to replicate the bug, feel free to share.
If you are willing to explore the bug more, we are happy if you share your findings, @pliant silo.
We are a community that works together, no reason to call out people if you dislike something, people put in time to try to figure it out.

[pliant silo]

fair enough @balmy condor

[normal mist]

Fuck this community for not going even deeper on the bug abuse for some reason man

[vestal wren]

^^

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-trash-gif-24556441

[pliant silo]

I guess my perception is that there is a generally dismissive attitude in this chat.
There just didn't seem to be interest in cultivating an open TC conversation, so there was no reason to risk the ridicule.

When I went to investigate the bug as someone who does not play assass and began testing with it, I just saw several theories from different people getting trolled basically, if not blatantly shit-talked. Linked one comment as an example.

I made a longer post recently which would be easy to find, but it was early on in my testing and had some misinformation (my understanding at the time), so I wouldn't rely on it.

I do wonder if assa being the go-to recommendation as the "easiest" rogue spec attracts a more casual demographic over the course of years, or affects the number of committed TC'ers or the quality of minmax discussion, APL testing, etc. But I suppose it is also the most played as well which would offset that effect.

[normal mist]

Yeah fuck whispyr TC work as well as eleem for some reason too

[pliant silo]

It's not a one-man job

they can't make up for an entire community with your attitude

[vestal wren]

whispyr mentioned how multiple people ended up involved in the bug search

[normal mist]

I'm a casual so I don't care about bug abusing

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/got-game-of-thrones-name-gif-21743356

Okay time to leave chat again

[balmy condor]

It’s very simple actually, plenty of people showed up saying they saw a video saying the bug could be recreated (referencing my video about it), when we didn’t have an answer on how to do that.

Other people showed up saying they could 100% do it (they couldn’t). Then they showed up saying that other people could 100% do it (they couldn’t either).

I am many things and wear many hats, content creator, guide writer, community figure, theorycrafter. What I am not, is a bot that 24/7 peer reviews and fact checks every claim from every multi-celled organism that shows up. You can understand the frustration and general vibe in here being kinda shit after people spent a lot of time looking into the bug, not finding it, having other people show up later with no proof or reproduction saying that it was consistent. I had to hunt down people on 3 different occasions from second-hand accounts of them knowing how to make it consistent.

I am very open to ideas but I’m not going to go on a thousand year treasure hunt because some jackass said that they know someone who heard from someone who checked a log from some other dude that can 100% do it and then can’t. I entertained that a couple times and people just be saying shit. It just wasted everyone’s time. Either people bring proof (they didn’t) or they just go “I think it’s more consistent when I scratch my ass” and I go “okay are you sure of that?” And they go “nah but it FEELS LIKE IT IS”. I can’t do anything with that

Also assa being more of a casual demographic over the years affecting the quality of TC work is an awful take because if that were true, all the mage specs, bm hunter, ret paladin, etc would have terrible tc support and they don’t. But thanks for saying I’m a shit theorycrafter I guess

[flat pier]

Another bug in our ass spec.

https://tenor.com/view/cynthia-erivo-shocked-shock-jumping-back-walking-back-gif-12035888169669287630

[balmy condor]

only thing that I know for sure is you get the attitutde you give

[stuck knoll]

It’s pretty insulting to people who put in significantly more hours work than anyone else to come in and imply their ego means they are actively dissuading people from looking into stuff especially when you are bringing up something that was investigated months ago with less than a month left in the tier. I think it’s fair for Whispyr to say he’s done his best and spoke to numerous other people about something. He’s not actually a bot whose sole purpose is to answer questions anyone who ever has a single thought about assa rogue asks.

That’s my 2c

He’s maybe not perfect but the only reason the spec is as well researched as it is is because Whispyr puts a lot of effort in

[hearty reef]

nice wall of text oomfie

[stuck knoll]

No problem

[indigo sphinx]

My goat Zinera would have consistently found the bug

[stuck knoll]

My goat Zineira stayed up until 4am losing in TFT

[indigo sphinx]

Loser

[spice surge]

A man of the people

[stuck knoll]

Truly I watched him and he explained what he was doing and then got mad at people random contesting him

[spice surge]

As is tradition

[nova gust]

How are we not chilling on 30th?

[runic hinge]

He just like me fr

[stuck knoll]

[runic hinge]

I’ve been loss streaking because I’ve been playing like a bum avoiding 5 cost slop cause I don’t want to win apparently

[stuck knoll]

Zine keeps trying to play Yunara in diamond/masters so it is just load in 5 people play Yunara regardless of spot

1 person high rolls and the rest all play the thex comp

[runic hinge]

I hate thex

Every time I think I’m in a good spot for it I never see another cait

[tall jay]

Good morning you fine ASS ppl!!! We welcomed our 2 grandbaby rogue yesterday to the fold !!!merry Christmas and happy new year everyone

[normal mist]

Those are such wonderful news!!!

[severe meadow]

Hell yeah

[balmy condor]

Grats!

[pure moth]

Grats

[marsh fjord]

congratz, please tell they are named Shiv & Rupture

[tall jay]

I wish! I
Might name my next cats those though

[vestal wren]

congratulations!

[runic hinge]

Congratulations!!

[stable grail]

someone got an assa build for the beta to share

[balmy condor]

#midnight-assassination and no

[quaint nimbus]

Aww congratulations! That’s awesome

[leaden sinew]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm vortex]

Guys

single digits

[haughty flicker]

its dead on my screen

[warm vortex]

Both tanks died

[haughty flicker]

oh maybe thats what i saw instead

[spice spire]

Like the guild?

[normal mist]

Is it dead yet?

[severe meadow]

Is it dead yet?

[warm vortex]

I just wanna be done with it

2 more pulls

[severe meadow]

Lock in twin

[pliant remnant]

[royal lantern]

you are ven's twin?

name all Cute Rats

[pliant remnant]

We're all Ven's twins

[severe meadow]

[nimble tartan]

it wont die cause u aren't locking in

[severe meadow]

True

[nimble tartan]

u think i was in ravenholdt when i was killin this boss?! i was locked in with the team

[runic hinge]

He was at the locked in factory. I saw him. Employee of the month.

[haughty flicker]

you'd struggle to find a more locked in rodent

[severe meadow]

Okay maybe he’s too locked in then

There’s an overflow of locked

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/parasyte-lock-in-locked-in-serious-meme-gif-5534810714910553671

[severe meadow]

Hey pookie

How we feeling about Gogmazios

[normal mist]

fuck him

[severe meadow]

LOL

[normal mist]

i hate him

jesus fucking christ

i don't MP so every gog hunt is like 20-22 mins

[severe meadow]

[normal mist]

I know people can clear it way more quickly with real hunters but the chances of getting those in random lobbies

[severe meadow]

I haven’t actually played in so long

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-discovery-vance-odds-gif-19548186

[severe meadow]

I wanna do the fight tho

[normal mist]

The fight is extremely cinematic

he's .... huge.

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/gogmazios-mh-wilds-gogmazios-mh-wilds-monster-hunter-wilds-monster-hunter-gif-17817957353045200012

[severe meadow]

The fireballs that fall down

[normal mist]

...

[severe meadow]

All that looks super sick being blocked

[normal mist]

headache

[severe meadow]

Just parry it with LS

[normal mist]

the fireballs pre final move are a real headache

[severe meadow]

[normal mist]

you're supposed to run behind fabius

[severe meadow]

Yeah

[normal mist]

in the process you get knocked down 3 times due to fireballs

but yes you CAN parry the ultimate

[severe meadow]

Crazy to try and parry that

[normal mist]

^

[severe meadow]

Holy gigachad

[normal mist]

Gog literally headbutts the fucking arena

[severe meadow]

Are y’all done

[warm vortex]

for the year yre

[severe meadow]

Pain

How many deep p3 pulls do y’all have?

[warm vortex]

no idea

[severe meadow]

P2.2 was our biggest hurdle

Once we saw a few good p3 pulls it was over

I think 30ish deep pulls for us

[normal mist]

@warm vortex I believe in you homie, y'all gonna take it down soon

[warm vortex]

I just wish we could extend nights tbh

[normal mist]

Me too, for different reasons

https://tenor.com/view/baby-gif-26024099

[coral ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/277967538787450880/1455691806502289450/Capture_2025-12-29-02-07-34.png?ex=6955a624&is=695454a4&hm=12405647ffb0b07d502ca6b3d25a192f27331aa17522fcbb63ad255f84a74775&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=543&height=422

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-hachiware-chiikawa-food-eat-chiikawa-meramyao-gif-2795033294273539594

[west crown]

I'm only on night two. Pray for me

[warm vortex]

PEAK

[coral ibex]

hey gl on CE

ur very close

[warm vortex]

Yuh

[hearty coral]

Hi rogues

Why we are 4% of class population ?

[severe meadow]

I assume people want to play something else than Rogue

[pliant remnant]

Why does the pope shit in the woods?

[runic hinge]

Bad leveling experience. Previously convoluted rotations, no spec has instant burst for ez world mob grouping/killing. Squishy in world content. Bad reputation. And blizzard ui was ass for rogue so you can’t track things natively which puts people off. Certain spells and effects being tied to stealth but vanish removing you from combat is off putting.

[indigo sphinx]

Also lack of big crazy spell effects, give Kingsbane and Sectech some nutty graphics and people would be more interested in trying it. How many people see eye beam and try DH.

[normal mist]

I did

[flat pier]

https://tenor.com/view/qui-gon-mufasa-star-wars-gif-5571903

We are the 4% who love ASS

[spare kayak]

i was going with another answer, but i think this is perfection

[wise loom]

i love Assa just love SUB more

[marsh fjord]

I’m probably gonna be to drunk to type anything tonight but happy new years everyone ❤️

[keen ridge]

What % of our damage in raid is phys vs magic? Monk is gonna be out for our dimmy kill do i break my monitor?

[balmy condor]

the only physical damage you deal is the non-vicious venoms part of mutilate/ambush, your auto attack damage, rupture, and garrote

so you're probably looking at like 16-17% physical and 83-84% magical

[keen ridge]

My monitor is saved, now i have to go ask in the dk discord how much they lose cause the stupid frost dk is the only one near me on the meters and is stealing my fucking autumn

[balmy condor]

Your guild is slow enough on platforms for autumn to line up?

That’s impressive

[keen ridge]

We are still holding damage on everything, and it is impressive we are still fighting this boss

[balmy condor]

Crazy work

[keen ridge]

We are 2 day 3 hour and have just lost like 7 raid nights to scheduling and holidays. Its a mental destoyer

[severe meadow]

We are also a 2 day guild

Why are you even holding everything

Just rip 2 mins on p2 and 1.5s on p2.2

More or less lines up with p3 if you don’t push too fast on p2.2

[main blaze]

You can do this in wcl as well. In queries you can just put "ability.type = 1" for physical or "ability.type != 1" for magic.

[ebon cloud]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[knotty vapor]

how quickly does kb stack to full?

like how many ticks would you get at max damage

[balmy condor]

with current gear and stuff, about 10 seconds without a deathmark

and well, deathmark doubles poisons so about 5 with a deathmark

[knotty vapor]

figured it'd be around that, ty

[severe meadow]

Happy New Year goobers

[runic hinge]

Happy new year :3

[sly radish]

Happy new year!!

[rotund oak]

happy/healthy new year gamers

[royal hull]

hey guys i have a question

how does thistle tea works?

i mean sometimes it triggers automatically and sometimes it doesent

[balmy condor]

There’s a note at the bottom of the tooltip

That explains it

If you drop below 30, it consumes a charge

[severe meadow]

Bold of you to assume we can read

[balmy condor]

Water reed?

[royal hull]

i know but it sometimes doesent use it even when u drop below 30

[royal lantern]

water is not red silly

[royal hull]

im onn raid talents and playing fatebound assass

but im always low on energy

its under 80 mostly , am i doing sth wrong or is that just how assassination rouge is?

i have my dots on the target as well

[severe meadow]

Assa isn’t a very high APM class

You’re not hitting a button every global

So yeah being low energy happens

[royal lantern]

if both bleeds are active and you have your weapon poisons applied, yes

[balmy condor]

Well, do you have charges?

[royal hull]

i guess yea

[analog field]

If you cast a spell which drops you lower than 30 then tea procs

if you have charge ofc

[balmy condor]

Yeh

If you don’t have a charge, it doesn’t proc of course

[somber sparrow]

Not when you say it like that! ^^

[royal hull]

ok tnx

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/cooler-if-you-did-gif-11144712

[zenith tree]

So did macroing cold blood just... break? I just keep getting the error "spell not learned" which is obviously not true

[coral ibex]

it breaks when swapping between sub and assa

since they have different cold bloods

for some reason

you have to relog to fix it

[zenith tree]

Interesting as I NEVER play sub

That did fix it tho

[royal lantern]

sub has coolder blood

[thorn thorn]

@humble verge Hap new yr

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/scarseven-gif-9974438153675837610

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/rb-gif-15527342397963359737

[pliant silo]

I compiled all of my 4p bug-testing clips into a long ass youtube video commentary

are links allowed here

[pliant remnant]

No, Youtube links are insta permaban, no appeal

[pliant silo]

I went afk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIAL_ADEJ54

warning: video is over an hour long

Read the pinned comment if u want quick details (and a very important correction)

but there are some important things throughout the video and tons of examples of various successes and failures

I'll be leaving to a family gathering in a bit but if anyone cares, watches/reads, and wants to discuss just ping me

long story short you can guarantee the 4p bug by making small adjustments to your ability sequence depending on the initial coinflip state + movement gives an extra global of leeway allowing you to guarantee it in a wide variety of situations

medium execution requirement I suppose but not too hard

more of a memory/knowledge check adjusting your play based on the situation

[severe meadow]

Gave it a watch because why not, I do like how you stated that "no one cares because the expansion is over." I respect the dedication on testing for this, maybe some people can go in and take advantage of it for log flexing

[pliant remnant]

This is good going-to-sleep listening content

[knotty vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-heart-the-beating-heart-how-can-i-deliver-blood-and-oxygen-gif-3834012234848023251

[waxen oyster]

ngl assa rn is probably faster than its been in a long time

combo pt generation is stupid high

[severe meadow]

I'm new to Assa, first expac playing it

So previous stuff I can't compare

I was a Hunter gremlin from like.. TBC up until BFA

[waxen oyster]

yeah tbf its funny since i dont think assa is that slow

unless you compare it to outlaw or enhance

[hoary fulcrum]

are there ever times lucky coin bugs and doesnt lower the CD?

[coral ibex]

yea

[hoary fulcrum]

or did i mispay the sequence?

[coral ibex]

its rare

[hoary fulcrum]

okay i thought i was nuts

[coral ibex]

it just happened to me too

[humble verge]

my goat making the articles we NEED on wowhead @balmy condor https://www.wowhead.com/news/golden-pandaria-chest-listed-on-vendor-but-how-do-you-actually-unlock-it-379786

[balmy condor]

I don't choose what to write

[humble verge]

did u do this on laptop

since ur in germany

[balmy condor]

I get assigned an article and I write it

[humble verge]

ahh

lul

ok this is based

[balmy condor]

those are me

cause I'm d4 news lead

[humble verge]

[balmy condor]

but the retail ones I'm just a grunt

yah if you thought wowhead commenters were bad

[humble verge]

oh are you gonna mention wow subreddit?

[balmy condor]

imagine wowhead commenters that are ARPG community

[humble verge]

😭

[balmy condor]

ARPG community is legit masochists

they will bitch endlessly about how their favorite ARPG is actually the worst thing ever and they're not having any fun

very cool people

[humble verge]

lol

[balmy condor]

and then from that community, you have the people that are mentally ill enough to drop a comment on a wowhead article

think about how many layers of braindamage deep you have to be to do that

[humble verge]

im glad im just bad at most games

[balmy condor]

the funniest part about all of this

is that our diablo 4 articles aren't targeting wowhead readers

like midnight news or whatever you send it out, you get a billion thousand clicks because the discord bot is everywhere, they're all wow players, gg

[humble verge]

i mean it should be its seperate site, but that would be costly

[balmy condor]

the vast majority of the clicks on diablo news are from google, not wowhead

so like the people commenting, who have a wowhead account

it's not even aimed at them

[humble verge]

[balmy condor]

like yeah, be mad I guess idk, you're not my userbase

[humble verge]

checking your other articles

reminds me i need to go play remix

i have yet to get 80 on one char 😭

[balmy condor]

I have not played remix

[humble verge]

i just wanna get the mounts and whatever

since there are cool ones

[balmy condor]

yeh idk nothing looked cool to me, I'm vibing

[humble verge]

also wondering if i should try to get Brannmorph

but are you back home or still in Germany

[balmy condor]

germany

I fly back wednesday

[humble verge]

i dont know if you ever said it, but did you go alone w/o your gf?

[balmy condor]

alone

[humble verge]

reasonable

[balmy condor]

you think I'm going to torment my gf like that?

I actually like her

[humble verge]

torment her out of your life

[balmy condor]

hello racist NIMBY grandma, here is my brown, minority, immigrant girlfriend who doesn't speak your language

I'm sure you guys will get along great

[humble verge]

ausländer fr fr

xd

[balmy condor]

[humble verge]

btw

is it still confirmed we will be able to tmog 1h sword to daggers

i forgor

[balmy condor]

yes

[humble verge]

you wanna guess how many splits im doing in midnight

actually please dont

[balmy condor]

[humble verge]

atleast they have re-introduced open mythic week 2

[humble verge]

damn

im in undermine

shit is abandoned

this is just sad

[nova gust]

every time I'm on K'aresh i'm thinking the same

but maybe it's just my server

[humble verge]

i mean

im on twisting nether

3rd most populous EU server, i think

[red schooner]

4

[humble verge]

[severe meadow]

Only real cool thing was the sets for completing the challenges but everyone is using them so

[severe meadow]

You should go for 5

[red schooner]

Absolutely not

Even being made to do one split last season tilted me beyond all fucking reason.

[severe meadow]

We did uh

2-3 split runs

[red schooner]

We were WR 1600

[severe meadow]

When did you get CE?

[red schooner]

I quit now its fine

[red schooner]

They got it 16th December

[severe meadow]

I think that’s about when we got it

[red schooner]

I quit before then, wasn't having fun with the game

I bailed after NK

[severe meadow]

I stayed and slammed

And a friend bought me midnight to keep me playing so I guess I’m still in

[red schooner]

Think it was like, 410 dimmy pulls for them

And I'm just vibing

Life was okay

[severe meadow]

Ours was 365

[balmy condor]

Wait

You guys did splits

And you’re like world rank god knows what?

That’s a gquit angle

[red schooner]

You knew of my torment whispyr

I was equally as horrified

[severe meadow]

Yeah the guild is a very average CE group

They wanted to approach being a more serious group with splits

But the talent just isn’t there to prog that well

Even with the gear

I just like raiding with them

[indigo mulch]

I mean if your having fun, thats the most important part tbh D:

If you don't enjoy raiding with the pepz then its all over! D:

[balmy condor]

I repressed the memory of you doing splits

[red schooner]

Did you repress the memory of the ret pally doing coins on bandit?

[balmy condor]

yes

[red schooner]

You're welcome.

Same ret pally ended up 21st manning

Dude loves suffering

[spice spire]

He just like me

[lethal arrow]

Splits in a standard ce guild

[red schooner]

I was aware of the insanity, I just got dragged along

[vestal wren]

even non ce guilds started doing splits

wow players work in mysteriouse ways

[coral ibex]

my guild wants to do splits for midnight to try for hof

[waxen oyster]

Many such guilds think the reason their wr is low.

Is low hours and no splits.

[vestal wren]

low hours can be a reason

[waxen oyster]

Sure, but not like wr 400 to 100

😂

often

[lethal arrow]

Strange stuff

[vestal wren]

splits ... ye

[lethal arrow]

Low hrs maybe

[waxen oyster]

Also number of guilds i see do OT to "go for hof"

then die that same tier

cinema

[lethal arrow]

My guild drops to 6 hrs/ 2 days once we get to boss 6 or 7 ish

[vestal wren]

a lot of ce guilds disband after getting 1-2 tiers of ce

[lethal arrow]

This time it was literally on dimmy cuz we got there fast

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

some get in over their heads getting CE in an easy tier

like lou

😂

[lethal arrow]

Lol

I watched a friends guild disband this tier

After 130 dimmy pulls

[coral ibex]

my guild was a trade chat guild season 1

[waxen oyster]

dimmy seemed to have merked alot of guilds

[vestal wren]

i did hear from multiple

even in the higher wr range

[red schooner]

I don't think they even got a higher WR with splits. Still stuck in the 1500-1600 WR area.

[vestal wren]

tho it all comes back to

[red schooner]

Good splits.

[waxen oyster]

Well splits only benefit you much if theres gamebreaking gear from heroic

usually yee?

[royal lantern]

tbf

making a boss that has a 2 warlock 2 dk HARD requirment and not changing ANYTHING about that

[red schooner]

I dunno, I just got dragged into them

[royal lantern]

is just a giant failure from blizz side

[lethal arrow]

Ansurek -> gally -> dimmy is a weird setup

[vestal wren]

splits mostly benefit you if you raid high ours early

[waxen oyster]

you can do dimmy with 1 dk

does it blow fat cock

[lethal arrow]

Hard boss to easiest boss of all time to really hard boss

[vestal wren]

*high hours

[waxen oyster]

yes

but its doable

[red schooner]

Also requirement to have capped gear 1 week after turbo boost

[lethal arrow]

We did dimmy with 1 warlock

LOL

[red schooner]

I quit lmao

[waxen oyster]

Yeah let me tell you

dimmy with 1 dk is some ass

[lethal arrow]

1 warlock is so funny for p1

[vestal wren]

try dimmy without wl

[waxen oyster]

you can probably do dimmy with 1 lock if your ranged actually bother to move.

[royal lantern]

its one of those cases where like

yes it is doable

but if you are a guild that is good enough to do the fight with that extra work, you are not a guild without 2 dks

[lethal arrow]

Cuz most of our p1 deaths were still the side that had the wl

[waxen oyster]

thats a big if

[coral ibex]

i’ve been doing 1 lock dimmy for weeks

[waxen oyster]

also im pretty sure 1 dk dimmy requires

bdk not dps

[coral ibex]

[waxen oyster]

idk dimmy prog for me was watching the guy who yapped the most

have the highest p1 deaths

But yeah i do agree then 2 dk 2 locks kind of super simplifies the fight for lower end ce guilds

[royal lantern]

i would not call it "simplifies" lol

[waxen oyster]

Well your add knocks have to be much better without 2 dks.

etc

[royal lantern]

almost as if they are some emergency solutions at best

[waxen oyster]

But mfo was a signifcant difficulty curve from lou.

Honestly gallywix isnt much harder than SH imo....

[pliant silo]

1 dk is fine for platforms

you just don't grip the one in your quadrant, nor the one you're running toward

you grip the other two

locks are kinda QOL

still kinda shit boss design

IMO raid buffs (or lack thereof for some classes) are one of the major flaws in wow game balance

basically dictates m+ composition viability

[spice surge]

Yeah a class like hunter will never be viable in keys because they dont have a good raid buff

[runic hinge]

true

[wise loom]

they have blood lust

lol

[royal lantern]

he is joking because m+ andys love yelling "X class will never be viable because of Y thing in keys"

[runic hinge]

imagine if rogues have a raid buff

[royal lantern]

i loved during SL launch where you constantly saw "XYZ spec will never be viable in keys because its target capped"

when boomkin/mm Hunter where the giga meta specs during that time and both had 8target hardcaps

[wise loom]

oh im slow

[zenith tree]

I also tanked LFR plexus for a big chunk of the fight

[humble verge]

oh that reminds me to also try to get the ASMR mount

from gally

[pliant silo]

class distribution becomes pretty shit as you push higher keys

like, for an easy visualization:

basically reduces to ~10 specs at the highest keys, a few specific comp variations

and raid buffs (or utility, like grip/amz or lust, general survivability) become the defining factors in viability

in raid, you might not bring a ret because holy brings the same buff

I feel like the whole system could be improved

but it's so baked in at this point

i guess homogenization is a bad thing too

because it just comes down to damage tuning then

look at our pathetic little yellow sliver

game sux

[coral ibex]

its just the natural consequence of pushing an infinite scaling system

either you have classes which can do distinct things which either do or do not justify their place in a team

or you have classes that all do the same thing and are all equally capable of pushing an infinite system as far as possible

[royal lantern]

well yeha, what do you expect??

like sorry, but ofc at some point people will play only the objectively best options avaible in a endless scaling mode

hence why the game is not balanced around m+ beyond the weekly reward level, because that would just be a insane thing to do, how would you even acomplish that

like the guy above me said, the only 2 options are:

Classes/Specs are trying to be distinct but every patch there will be "winners" in the endless scaling mode because they are better for it at the moment

or every class/spec is basically the same and can do the same so nobody is "left behind" on a level that only a handfull of players even interact with in the first place

[severe meadow]

Maybe a shit take but I see literally no reason in doing m+ beyond a certain point unless you plan on going for title

[royal lantern]

and about "raidbuffs being so important in m+"

it really just feels like the current m+ buzzwords that we get very often

[severe meadow]

I'm also a m+ hater tho, after I cap out I am DONE

[royal lantern]

like, your graphs there litterally have hunter

what "important raidbuff for m+" does hunter bring

or everytime rogue was m+ meta (which was a thing VERY often) it was never meta for "utiliy" or "raidbuff", it was always simply because the dmg it did was high and in the end high dmg is what times keys

[royal lantern]

i mean its the same as pushing stuff in anything really

you do it for your personal challenge and thats it

thats also why participation for things outside of the "gives the best reward" is really low: most players dont even consider doing it because they dont see a reason for it

[severe meadow]

Yeah I don't even care for the ugly ass recolored mounts

[thorn thorn]

Being a lotto spec that does too much damage sometimes

[pliant silo]

hunter is the best lust for rdru groups

bc no sham and mage fell off

also a few dungeons just hard req 1 ranged dps 1 healer for specific mechanics (db) and you might want a phys dps because they benefit from other peoples' raid buffs (prot war)

ele sham is good same reason ig

but more like a DH synergy there for magic dmg%

[scarlet orbit]

There are still groups with 4 melees in top keys doing this dungeons but its more annoying to play it like that.

[rotund oak]

food

when you are sick and tired food

solution to everything

you get to lush out

also happy new year little one

[royal lantern]

wait but i thought mage will always be broken for m+ because arcane int is so strong, why is that not the case?

oh yeha wait, because Hunter does more dmg then mage for the mode rn, and in the end classes are played for heir performance

[pliant silo]

mage is worse than ele sham, they're not compared to hunter typically

and ele sham goes with DH which does the funnel/prio job

dh is like the hybrid that can fit in either phys or magic, but typically magic

DK is just grip which is busted for clearspeed

so they go in every comp

I feel like the plot has been lost a bit, so I'll backtrack and summarize my opinion and original point:

turbo niche (and powerful) utility feels good for the user, but contributes to an already complicated-to-balance game
like, more classes could have a grip or somewhat reasonable equivalents with varying range, cds, etc - but they don't, so DK is mandatory in every M+ comp

raid buffs, which in raid might not include lust (but in M+ you'd consider lust to be "utility" or a "raid buff" that would cause you to choose a specific class over another) are just an extra layer that enforces class diversity in 20man mythic raiding but does not help with M+ balance at all

in fact, I'd make the case that it feels bad for a large portion of a class' power budget to be tied up in the fact that they increase their party damage by 5% rather than just having that power themselves - and it makes it so that other classes need to do 15% more damage individually to outweigh the 5% damage across 3 dps, etc

not really complaints, just... wow is a complicated game to balance - so they have to target one specific mode to "care about" developmentally, and I'd guess that it's Mythic raiding

so to enforce a dk in mythic raiding they have to be relevant on dimmy (the original conversation that started this tangent)

warlocks too kinda

[royal lantern]

mate, sorry but what the hell are you even talking about there

"Dh is a hybrid that fits in comps"

DH is played cus DH is doing bonkers dmg, and before that vengance DH was the best tank because vengance dh could not die and had more cc

"dk is just grip"

dk is played cus DK does bonkers dmg and doesnt die

why tf are we making reason up why classes are picked "based on utility" when its legit just "they do more dmg then the rest" in 99% of the cases lol

[scarlet orbit]

Most of the routes you play atm use grips alot because Dk is meta so you have access to grips. If dk would do bad dmg you would play different routes

[royal lantern]

utility makes a spec that does high numbers better

utility doesnt make a spec a worthy pick in the first place when the numbers are not the highest

^ and what that guy said

[scarlet orbit]

M+ is nearly always put the most broken specs together and make the best out of it.
Funny enough even i dont like them raid buffs help with having different classes played in m+.
Without them there would be not much reason to dont just stack dps specs. Its still done somethimes but mostly when stuff is busted to the moon. Like it was in shadowlands with lock or survival

[static glacier]

you don't bring specs for utility, you bring specs for numbers and then tailor your approach / routes around the utility brought

famous examples of this in the past include ele sham / boomkin

these specs have consistently had / have more utility than most others yet aren't meta

only when they're overtuned do people notice

HEY BOOMKIN/ELE/X UTILITY IS BROOOOOOKEN

yet if undertuned they see as little play as others.

[royal lantern]

atleast stuff like "phys comp" exists rn

stuff was even more rigid back in the days very often lol

[scarlet orbit]

Even survivability is quite overrated. We had some really 1 shoty seasons where squishy spec where meta you just babysat them through the hard parts

[static glacier]

people think there's a utility bar to meet to be played, it's the reverse - you have to hit the tuning bar to even get a chance THEN, AND ONLY THEN does your utility matter

[royal lantern]

literally hunter rn 🤷‍♂️

does high dmg->who cares that it doesnt bring anything outside of BL really

[static glacier]

tbh if hunter/lock/warr is meta it's just tuning

since the utility they bring sucks

only exception for this kinda thing is if your utility directly buffs something broken

or you could be overtuned and buff other broken stuff

thats how you get dflight spriest

[royal lantern]

and how often did we had something like that

the OG aug shitshow with mage+aug+priest i gues

but that was mostly blizzard being clueless with aug tbh

[static glacier]

honestly i've started putting my tinfoil hat on, I swear they purposefully overtune reworks

[royal lantern]

"lets make it double dip with everything, what could go wrong?????"

[static glacier]

it's been such a consistent trend

[scarlet orbit]

End them buffing all of specs from the comp to the moon in the same patch. What could go wrong

[static glacier]

I cannot believe they released aug in good faith when breath of eons on release

SHIFTED

healthbars

like you fucking saw it

[royal lantern]

because thats how you design stuff

new things need to be strong so people actually touch it, otherwhise it gets ignored and then becomes forgotten, first impressions are the most important thing in gaming

its not a blizz thing

its a everyone in gaming making stuff thing

[static glacier]

thing is how come they don't overtune some reworked stuff

[scarlet orbit]

Im really curious how the new dh spec will look when its live.

[royal lantern]

tried it a bit on the beta and oof

gave me the devestation vibes but in even worse: the gameplay feels like as if its missing a couple things

(daily reminder that REMOVING abilitys from fucking devestation evoker in midnight is borderline insanity blizzard, the spec needed more buttons lol)

[scarlet orbit]

Wait what?

[royal lantern]

but ye, Devourer is just.......you spam 2 buttons on repeat, and have a slow build ramp nuke

which is a bit meh

[royal lantern]

shattering star removed

engulf removed

🙂

[scarlet orbit]

Ok wow the only thing i saw from evoker is that they got the tset back but yea that spec was in no need to get buttons removed. At least rotation buttons

[royal lantern]

devestation is literally just: Living Flame and Disintergrate on procs

deep breath used more often in scalecommander, firebreaht more on flameshaper

cus more charges/less cd

thats it lol

[scarlet orbit]

Evoker never clicked to me. Its feels so off somehow.

[royal lantern]

and preservation is even better

removing SPIRITBLOOM out of all things

literally the spec icon

when spiritbloom is one of the good feeling buttons

and at the same time letting Emerald Blossom stay and doubling down on it when Emerald Blossom is the most hated ability on pres that everyone wants gone

[scarlet orbit]

Never tired pres. I do think they should give evoker normal range spec range. This weird mid thing is just annoying for no reason and i dont see the point

[scarlet orbit]

There is some blizzard joke in that sentences to be made. We know better then you do maybe?

[royal lantern]

Evoker is like

Preservation had a ton of time and though put into it and you can see it

Devestation always felt like as if they realised 3months before the expansion release "oh wait fuck we need a DPS spec aswell" and then just quickly where throwing togheter something with the dmg abilitys that preservation had avaible

Devestation always had that "there is something missing here" feeling

like, 1 other button in its Rotation

so removing stuff on a spec that is allready extremely button starved just feels...............what?

[scarlet orbit]

Like someone had to fill a quota

[static glacier]

The idea was it would be super mobile + higher damage with uptime to compensate, ended up with range downsides and no major upside that isn’t linked to tuning

[royal lantern]

healers in general have those vibes overall tbh

Lightweaver on Holy Priest is a easy to understand, impactfull and Fun talent?

no, we remove that

Prayer of Mending feels bad and weak/pointless?

no, we double down on it, Prayer of Mending randomly jumping around is even more focus for you now

[royal lantern]

i liked the part where shitmentation released and instantly got full 30y range

but press/dev get ignored

[scarlet orbit]

I have to admit it was a bit funny hearing our press healer having having mental breakdowns about hunters standing on the other side of the room or actively running behind them

[static glacier]

Real issue for dev and evokers is that they clearly forgot to design fights with them in mind

[royal lantern]

they did that?

[static glacier]

Shit like nymue, the spread on echo of nelth- these situations force downtime

[warm vortex]

Tryan what’s your favourite flavour of ice cream

[static glacier]

And for a ranged spec tuned / balanced around higher uptime

Xd

[royal lantern]

stracciatella

im basic there

[warm vortex]

Mines mint chocolate but I don’t let myself eat ice cream most of the year

[royal lantern]

my favourite part about that was always "yeha but they have so much mobility" while Mages and Hunter exists and have even more Mobility

when BM hunter can use literally everything while moving, reducing the range of something "because of its mobility" will always be a dead argument

and mage can basically move whenever they want without losing anything really aswell

[static glacier]

it's very frustrating whenever you hit range issues, for me atleast it was up there with being madge at bugs / weak aura shit

[lyric grail]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[royal hull]

guys im trying to parse 99 on assas rouge and i wanted to know what is the biggest tip you can give?

on hc ofc

i saw rank 1 rouge on hc raid and he is doing 7.5M dps

[shy creek]

No tips involved really in heroic, just tplay mildly well and and have fast kill times

[royal hull]

i do the same rotation but i still do 5.8

[shy creek]

Link your logs and I can take a look at your rotation

[royal hull]

ok

sec

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RqJNDwczWvpyhMPT?fight=3&type=damage-done

his kill time is 3.39

mine is almost same

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HnpAK2zy6CQfjNTP?fight=29&type=casts&source=198&view=events

this is his kill time

i only use my finishers at 5+ combo

dots are upp all the time

the CD timings are same as him

[shy creek]

Well the big thing is that you're missing 12 ilvls on the guy

[royal hull]

yea but 12 ilvls cant be 2M difference in dps

my rings weapons neck and trinkets are all max

and i simmed everything

so they are the best i could get

[royal lantern]

12ilvl is a huge difference

maybe not 2m but its gigantic lol

[royal hull]

is that so?

[rotund oak]

12ilvls is very big

[shy creek]

Your trinket is also worse than his

both of them

[royal hull]

i wanted to use the hc trinkets but they simmed much lower

[shy creek]

Eah the primary difference is that hes using netherprism in execute, making his execute deathmark twice as strong as yours

[balmy condor]

ilevel is very powerful

[rotund oak]

might as well be we cant rly know

[balmy condor]

Blizzard has made ilevel stronger and stronger over the years

It’s ridiculous

Even 3-4 ilvl is like 100-200k

[royal hull]

oh

ok

what about the trinkets?

is prism hc better ?

[royal lantern]

im not throwing the numbers around when i dont know them tbh

[balmy condor]

Prism depends on your kill time I guess

[royal hull]

kill times are usually 3.30+

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s essentially a dead trinket on pull

[rotund oak]

weapons and trinkets are the highest dps value in most cases,pretty sure there is a list you can check which is slightly stronger than the other but ye,the highest ilvl the better

[balmy condor]

So the longer the fight, the better it gets

[royal hull]

i dont wanna zerg the boss

ok then i guess i get more ilvl and try again

[rotund oak]

[royal hull]

tnx for the help

[shy creek]

Something else worth noting is that your warrior didn't buff you

So you lose a bit of damage there too

Thats like 5% missing

[royal lantern]

gotta love the random buffs you get during timewalking

[sick sail]

I’m having a calm life, walking outside, looking at trees, leaves as they fall down, waiting for midnight, watching rogue videos, it’s just calm, that’s not ok, I need something to hype me up…. need another whispyr video to bring up the inner dr doom/batman theme song inside of me and channel my ass rogue excitement and what’s about to come to the wow world…. no hype….. no excitement…. no drama…. need a video to FUEL ME so I can be like yes…. ass rogue is the way… what’s happening?!!!!!!!

[balmy condor]

I’m in Germany so no videos

I’ll be back next week

[royal lantern]

EIN LAND

EINE NATION

EINE KOMMENTARSEKTION

https://tenor.com/view/germany-flag-gif-europe-gif-27417988

[balmy condor]

[sick sail]

that’s awesome, having lived in greece, germany is one of my dream visits

[rotund oak]

as a fellow greek and having visited germany i must say both suck

tzatziki owns though

[royal lantern]

as somebody from the OTHER southern state, i must sadly now hunt you down and throw beer bottles at you

(i dont care about football and dont drink beer)

[keen spruce]

All I know about Bayern Munich is that they had really good defenders in fifa ‘09

[marsh fjord]

I wonder if we are gonna get some dimmy nerfs before pre-patch

unlikely probaly

[balmy condor]

Doubtful

[marsh fjord]

Was searching for nerfs on other CE bosses before pre-patch but couldnt really find anything

[balmy condor]

Would be very strange to nerf bosses with 2 weeks remaining

[marsh fjord]

To get people in the mood to push CE

[thorn thorn]

The CE that wont be available during prepatch?

[marsh fjord]

Nope it goes away at the 20th

[vagrant hearth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wanton remnant]

for dimmy mythic do we ever use evasion for anything? or is it not useful?

[gusty prawn]

when you pull off tank lol

question : is it normal to run out of energy so quickly?

[marsh fjord]

you also get a 20% magic DR when pressing evasion. so yes

[spice surge]

If you are playing deathstalker or elusiveness yes

Otherwise no

[pliant silo]

I evasion when I land on platforms

because why not

[balmy condor]

Yes

[royal hull]

can someone tell me why does this guy sometimes dots velaryn and adarius?is it for the energy boost or is there other reason?if its for energy boost then why he doesent do it more often or constantly?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/knRfJrNzg9GZvcm2?fight=21&type=casts&source=266&view=events

[balmy condor]

yeh he's doing it for the energy when it's convenient

it seems he's doing it pretty consistently though

66% uptime on adarus, 47% on velaryn

[royal hull]

ok tnx

[balmy condor]

np :)

[lament cairn]

hiya guys I'm relatively new to WoW and I main rogue assassination - do you know what is the best talent tree for poison + bleed?

[balmy condor]

Generally talent trees are designed to optimize for certain content, rather than some archetype

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

I’d start with one of the guides above, whichever format you prefer

[drifting cloud]

hello whispyr still in the motherland?

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-poland-poland-germany-gif-14328272994735177728

[balmy condor]

yep

until wednesday

[lament cairn]

Thank you!

[royal hull]

can someone tell me why is there so much damage difference when my rotation is just like his?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PhcnN3TtqzrKL46Y?fight=4&type=damage-done&source=13

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qWvVN3hXz6y7HnJr?fight=last&type=summary&source=1

my log is second one

[fair coyote]

8 ilvl difference is not negligible i think

[royal hull]

damn

[balmy condor]

yeah the gear difference here just on first glance is pretty hefty

your trinkets alone are kinda garbage

let alone the ilvl diff

this vanish at 2min kinda hurts my soul but it's probably not awful

just kinda yucky

but alas, such is life

[scarlet orbit]

Whispyr. Is there a chance that you will make a youtube video again in midnight like in df where you showed the basics of looking at assa logs?

[balmy condor]

yes

[sharp viper]

[balmy condor]

[last skiff]

No CE guild want rogue

[scarlet orbit]

In what wr are you searching?

My guild i played whole df in died before xmas and i had no struggle to find guilds interested in trying me

[royal hull]

i vanish here for double jeopardy

shouldnt you use it on cd?

[balmy condor]

yeh you usually use it with deathmark

[royal hull]

or do i need to do it with deathmark window

[balmy condor]

not kingsbane

[royal hull]

ok

[last skiff]

~350-650 but I only search 2 raid/week

[scarlet orbit]

Ah yea 2 raids/week is a different thing. Im not sure if it was always so but it feels like alot more guilds play more days now

[balmy condor]

arms race

everyone else is doing 3 days, so we have to do 3 days

everyone else is adding a 4th day for prog

so we have to add a 4th day for prog

everyone else is doing splits, so we have to do splits too

[scarlet orbit]

Yea i was surprised how many guilds do splits now

[last skiff]

pretty much every guild do 3 days, but I cannot tank a progress with meh players. ands 3 days a weeks is too much time for me

[balmy condor]

a couple expansions ago, it was just assumed if you're a good player you can be competitive

but game has evolved

to be competitive now you have to devout a shit ton of hours

m+ is the same thing

legion/bfa was a lot more just good players get together, smash, move on

if you want to be competitive in m+ you gotta spend insano time running routes over and over, practicing certain hard pulls, failing, trying again

[scarlet orbit]

The removing from affixes maybe also plays a role in the m+ thing. You now can play all weeks and not skip a week because oh its necrotic + sanguine? Guess we skip that one

[balmy condor]

yeh

game in general has shifted away from just executing the mechanics, that's not good enough anymore

you gotta execute to perfection

and that just requires more reps than ever before

crests and ilvl changes don't help with splits either

[spice surge]

Hopefully we dont end up with mythic splits

[balmy condor]

you do splits and basically save a weeks worth of crests

so you're just a week ahead of everyone else

[spice surge]

I mean even with no crests, splits are just better straightup

[balmy condor]

yeh

[spice surge]

Not as many people bothered back in the days though

[balmy condor]

people optimize more as well

[spice surge]

Which tbf during bfa or legion was understandable as the time requirement was way higher

For a decent second character

[balmy condor]

a lot easier to justify splits when you're swapping all your fucking gems every week for 0.15%

[royal hull]

should i use all 3 tea on pull with my cds for extra damage or do i only use 2 and save 1 for emergency?

[balmy condor]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy condor]

use the macro

if it autoprocs that's fine too

doesn't matter really

[scarlet orbit]

While also recrafting half your crafted items to get another 0.2% 🙂

[royal hull]

i can cast tea without macro its just that i was wondering if saving last charge is worth the dps loss

i mean u get extra 16% mastery

[balmy condor]

we had a trial that would recraft like 5 pieces of gear every week, sometimes multiple times a week. Like the first 30 pulls of saladbar he plays spec A, then he goes to spec B so he recrafts again, then he goes back to spec A for keys after the raid week so he recrafts again

we made fun of him for being so degenerate in his recrafts

and he was getting genuinely upset that other people weren't recrafting after vaults every week

[balmy condor]

it's optimal to macro it and let it auto proc otherwise

there is no optimization to be had by keybinding tea

[scarlet orbit]

Ok did he make his trial tho xD

[balmy condor]

fuck no

he was an insane vibe killer

bro was like an above average gamer, nothing insane though

like he was good

but the way he sweat

every time he logged in

was just ridiculous

[scarlet orbit]

I dont get the second part. If i want to do some degen stuff for no reason ok. But why expect it from others

[balmy condor]

cause he felt like the rest of the raid wasn't trying

but I mean he also bitched that people weren't farming turbo boost crests and capping vault slots to get extra ilvl

when we were progging dimmy still

and had 2 dps fully afk in p1 to hold dps

cause if we didn't full afk 2 dps in p1, we'd push too early

but bro was convinced we needed an extra 3 raid ilvl or the fight was so much more difficult idk

he just had brainworms idk

some people just be like that

[red schooner]

Some people are convinced that tiny optimisations are the thing preventing them from being HoF/title range.

[balmy condor]

yeh

[scarlet orbit]

Yea but in this case they DO this tiny things and are still not there? What that does say about them ^^

[balmy condor]

I mean he just blamed the guild

for holding him back

easy peasy

[royal lantern]

what

[red schooner]

Like where I was, made us do splits this season, made people cap out turbo week within 1 week, same WR as LoU. Good job. Maybe there were other reasons why we were in RFWL

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[marsh fjord]

Guys secret spilled it was me

[balmy condor]

I feel like it's mostly a problem with newer raid leads or returning players or like people coming from classic

[marsh fjord]

I was the degen

[balmy condor]

cause the longer you raid on retail, the more you realize that gear doesn't fix jack shit

[red schooner]

We just weren't great at the game, splits ain't fixing that.

[marsh fjord]

Was trying finally to get my CE in whispyr his guild

[royal lantern]

you can be 8ilvl higher, doesnt matter when you hold dps anyway and wipe because 4 people fuck up sala ghosts

[scarlet orbit]

With that profile pic and the deatstalker mark.. checks out xD

[balmy condor]

yepge

[red schooner]

It was the splits being announced like, 4 days before season started that was the main tilting factor

[balmy condor]

yeh when are you raiding NA

with 300 ping

[marsh fjord]

Soon TM

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna be honest, I wish I enjoyed playing the game/alts enough to want to do splits

I kind of envy people that can derive joy from that

[red schooner]

I just wanted to raidlog man

[balmy condor]

cause I can't do it

[red schooner]

Raidlog is the dream

[royal lantern]

they dont

they gaslight themself that its fun

because facing the reality is even worse

[scarlet orbit]

I do like playing alts for a bit. And thats one of the reasons i completely despise turboboost. It feels really bad for playing twinks

[royal lantern]

fuck turboboost

[balmy condor]

nah there's people that enjoy it, and good for them

I just can't see myself doing it

and it sucks

[royal lantern]

make turboboost that you can upgrade heroic items into mythic stuff or something like that, but fuck what it is rn