assassination

[real pike]

We still using bleed build on hunters in 13/11/2025?

[royal lantern]

what else would you play

[real pike]

Regular raid w caustic?

[crimson delta]

New guy here, any particular channel where people are talking midnight beta testing stuff? Am I in the right spot here? Thx

[spice surge]

#midnight-assassination

Or the other ones for the respective specs

[crimson delta]

Thank youuuuu

[humble verge]

yeah?

almost orangelogged last night

[digital venture]

is fatebound playable in soulhunters or it's grief? I hate managing marks in that fight

[real pike]

How far did you have to scroll down the meter to find yourself?

[royal lantern]

eh, FB loses dmg when its multiple targets

you put mark on ilyssa and when its ~20sec until inermission you swap it to the intermission boss, repeat

[digital venture]

I know but I've seen some top logs with that setup, and was wondering if they are really good/high rolling or if it's viable

[royal lantern]

thats kinda it

[digital venture]

okey, i will try it that way, thanks @royal lantern

[royal lantern]

probably just the ussual Bug Highrolling

logs on assa are an absolute meme rn cus its all just "lol be lucky and highroll the bug 2x in a row xd"

[digital venture]

who would have guessed that they would ignore the bugs, up until now

ty for the tip tho, will give it a try

[severe meadow]

I like the 1 in 100 pulls when it doesn’t give any cooldown

[humble verge]

lemme log 2 sec

actually number 7, not bad

[real pike]

Higher than I would get on Fatebound tbf

But I like to turn my brain off as much as possible on that fight

[humble verge]

i like to log

thats why i have my brain on

what are you even logging as fb on the fight

[real pike]

Tbh I haven't done it on mythic on fatebound cause we've been extending for weeks and just killed dimmy last night but I assumed it would just be a fb zerg by now

[humble verge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

im just used to bleed on it

izipizi

[golden loom]

rank 1 log is FB

[real pike]

Bosh

[humble verge]

surely

wait

wtf

i had to check

[golden loom]

why would I make that up

[humble verge]

🤨

hes chinese, so it makes sense

[golden loom]

in a 6 boss run and a healer left after getting legs on loomithar

[humble verge]

i would too leave after loomi

cant trust pugs to kill forge

[golden loom]

?

araz is the easiest boss in the raid

shit falls over no CAP

[humble verge]

apparently not for most people

like

sure if youre maxgeared

[golden loom]

its a 6 boss mythic run

everyone is 728+

pretty much

[humble verge]

then why even do the raid

[golden loom]

well I need SH boots

[humble verge]

i log to boost

6/8

or reclear for mount

or logs

[golden loom]

only killed 4/8 on this so far so need the fract kill

[humble verge]

wheres your 4 other rogues

[golden loom]

not alting rogues

[humble verge]

smh

[golden loom]

[humble verge]

wait how are you seeing this view

🤨

is this something you made in the rio bio

[golden loom]

no

[humble verge]

🤨

oh nvm

i found it

i need to gear up sergeifir

and make a Sergeifem

and Sergeiseks

😎

i dont have an addiction

should make more rogues thru lemix tho

have yet to touch it

[fallow canopy]

If you climb any further I'm gonna have to get a restraining order on your ass

time to bribe our priest for some pi

[humble verge]

ive yet to fix my dim log

its still blue

im only 6 points behind u lol

i think if i actually fix the dim log

im over you

[golden loom]

you can tell what my rogue has been relegated too... an alt..

[humble verge]

noob

[fallow canopy]

how's your zug zug arc going?

[humble verge]

so when is your warrior logging on again

so you can play rogue again

[golden loom]

uhh

idk maybe we get a prot warrior at some point

or maybe im a warrior forever

[fallow canopy]

probably, I'm gonna have to go all in next week

[humble verge]

gonna buy r3 prepots

just to beat you

avid r2 user

[golden loom]

but also my warrior is stuck in prog so I cannot fix my logs either

boss dead soon tho

[humble verge]

damn

271 pulls and not even a 10% pull

[golden loom]

we've been in p3 twice

[humble verge]

whar

after turboboost

[golden loom]

once with 5 alive, and the other was 20 alive no lust 60% dead to first mechanic

[humble verge]

rofl

[fallow canopy]

[golden loom]

a bit of a disaster but atleast its a fun boss

I just keep charging

[humble verge]

turbo boost hit a month ago

[weary stump]

My group is still stuck on soul hunters, so at least they aren't me

[weary stump]

Just like me fr

[golden loom]

@humble verge ok araz 1 shot, SH now please gimme boots!!

also please let the group kill them and not disband

[humble verge]

unc always nice

[golden loom]

what even are these creatures

[weary stump]

I get my Dr pepper and I watch people somehow die to the green beams in mythic soul hunters, and I vibe

[humble verge]

ok time for gym

[weary stump]

https://tenor.com/view/pull-up-workout-exercise-fitness-cat-gif-16681724

[golden loom]

@humble verge rolled 99 on wrong item

[humble verge]

what the sigma

now you jsut have to beg him for the boots

[golden loom]

will just get from vault or dinar

I played very bad anyways (also got killed but)

[humble verge]

naub

[golden loom]

soaked melee -> got 2nd soak targeted on me and noone stood in it

and I didnt have netherwalk

[royal lantern]

ONE

HEAL

PLEASE

[weary stump]

What the sigma

[golden loom]

so all bosses 1 shot so far, wonder if fract will be a weakaura wall

[weary stump]

Is it mythic?

[golden loom]

ye

[royal lantern]

possible that it just gets rushed down with all the gear and dmb buffs

[weary stump]

Probably

[humble verge]

where is this from lol

[golden loom]

yeah idk soul hunters were the biggest joke it felt like

[royal lantern]

we have a google docs application for "can you complain about not getting ONE HEAL"

[weary stump]

I think even if everyone's a god damage wise you still have to deal with at least swapping lanes once

[fallow canopy]

If the pug downed sh surely they blast tf out of frac

[weary stump]

True realistically though

[golden loom]

yee I was just memeing cause no matter how good the group is usually theres a tech issue for a few pulls

[humble verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372158613312897036/1376317636249518170/speechmeme.com_25_05_2025_23_54_45.gif

[weary stump]

Also man my guild's been on soul hunters for 3 weeks because people are bad at dodging lines

We took two raid nights to do fract even, which is crazy

[fallow canopy]

The WA boss always rears its ugly head

[weary stump]

Ovinax our formerly beloved

[mystic hornet]

seemed like my CDs were bugging out a lot last night in raid playing single target fatebound 🙁

[royal lantern]

cant wait for midnight where we still get WA bosses, but without WA

[golden loom]

we wiped literally first wall placement

[fallow canopy]

Banger

[weary stump]

I hope we get ovinax but now shadowy instead of spidery

[mystic hornet]

!macros

[humble verge]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[weary stump]

Drink yo tea twin

[golden loom]

okay only 3 pulls not bad

[weary stump]

That is pretty good

[tawny geyser]

Any clue how could I sim for Dimensius? Since I'm not playing anything else atm, I just wanna put the best gear/gems for that specific boss.

[scarlet orbit]

You could lower the antenna catch rate a bit but other then that its 1 target patchwork

[weary stump]

Iirc you lower antenna to 40% or so

[broken thicket]

is this a new bug ? (dimensius) till now the "bug" reduction was like 30s not 1.5 is this new or a boss thing

[spice surge]

Ye sometimes the bug can proc twice

[scarlet orbit]

Just proc what do you mean

[weary stump]

You simply will deathmark into existence

[oblique wasp]

hello - please if I am min maxing the vanish - deathmark combination, I want to press vanish (Master Assassin sauce) when Kingsbane is finishing in Deathmark, to maximize crit for the largest tick of kingsbane yes?

[west crown]

This question makes no sense

[oblique wasp]

? how so? master assassin is +20% crit for 12 seconds from breaking stealth - I want those +20% when I am geting largest KB hit no?

[spice surge]

Ideally you shouldnt have master assassin and kingsbane in the same build

[oblique wasp]

and I want to link Deathmark + Vanish so they get CDs ready +- around same time

oh

[spice surge]

The raid build does not have master assassin and the m+ build generally does not have kingsbane

[oblique wasp]

oh, alright sorry I was thinking in the past probably

thank you

[scarlet wyvern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[severe meadow]

Evil

[weary stump]

would you love her if she were a worm

[severe meadow]

Tough.. no feet..

[scarlet orbit]

Dimi probably just killed my guild

[weary stump]

at least you dont have to see the people you hate in said guild deal with the no-addon boss then

[severe meadow]

We had a really frustrating night on him last night

Didn’t even get back to 2nd platform, was rough

[scarlet orbit]

We actually did some progress today nearly got to p3. But we bleed so many players

[real pike]

Bad vibes?

[severe meadow]

Bleeding players while making prog is a little crazy

[scarlet orbit]

Alot of real life changes. New works, kids etc.

[severe meadow]

Fair enough, I plan on retiring soon and focusing on school

Also just not a huge fan of how midnight is looking

On top of literally none of my friends plan on playing it rn

[scarlet orbit]

This season feels somehow really bad. Maybe its because there is less hype for the new expansions then usual. Alot of the usual guys i play with dont play anymore

[humble verge]

well, its the end of the expansion, most people dont last that long tbf

this is my first full expac since legion atleast

only because ive had a lot of fun raiding

[nova kelp]

I think there's a lot of tentative feelings about.

Some expecting hell on earth and are already massive detractors. Probably likely to hate everything based on the smallest grievance.

Some being giga apologists who will defend the most brain-dead decisions at their own peril.

The rest either don't care and are playing tarkov or care but are too busy overthinking to play.

Alongside the fact that the xpac is winding down just waiting for the next... It happens

[coral ibex]

turbo boost + no new season for 4 months

nobody wants to log in

if ur not still progging or in reclears

you're either a collector or ur logged out

im 10000% done with m+ this season

[nova kelp]

To be fair... We had fated seasons 3 times through. And a lot of the player base stuck around to play through them.

But everyone still bitched and moaned.

So they've gone back to the ole tried and failed method of letting the xpac just slowly die off. Because that's what people said they wanted.

[coral ibex]

i dont really think fated is a good idea

and ive said how i hate turbo boost multiple times before

[thorn thorn]

[nova kelp]

I wasn't a huge fan PERSONALLY because a lot of my friends vanish in fated as we've finished everything. BUTTTTTT that's a super specific standpoint in a small community of people.

If you're at high end it's probably the same for all of us

But in terms of the general community fated is good and creates a big continuation in engagement across the greater group

[thorn thorn]

I liked df fated

Very easy season to get weapon tmogs

[nova kelp]

Yeah it's engagement for engagement sake. Which has merit. So long as it's not filled with reasons to FORCE you to stick around imo

[thorn thorn]

Turbo boost very good for casual players

[nova kelp]

Either way imo those versions of winding down an xpac is better than the slow death method

[thorn thorn]

Being a serious player in a casual guild is a special kind of torture

Since it means aotc took way longer than it really should have

[nova kelp]

Man one of my favourite guilds I've ever been with were SERIOUS heroic tier proggers. Like running out of time to get aotc lol.

They were TERRIBLE. But god I loved raiding with them.

[thorn thorn]

Oh god I couldnt do that

[haughty flicker]

back in shadowlands when i first started raiding

[thorn thorn]

This one got aotc the week lemix started

[haughty flicker]

i joined an aotc guild then pugged aotc faster every tier

[thorn thorn]

It took us way too long to get aotc

1 day a week raiding so its kinda whatever

But it was a little torture for me

[nova kelp]

It was actually entertaining playing along those guys. Nothing felt like it got old.

Very big fish in a little pond feelings though

[thorn thorn]

Pretty much

I dont hate playing with casual players, I love my guild

But I would be lieing if I said it wasnt torture a bit when we were on day 3 of dimmy and still hadnt seen p3 on heroic

[coral ibex]

how do you figure

are casuals grinding out infinite gilded?

[thorn thorn]

No but they def need the help of dinars

And the ilvl increase

[coral ibex]

they get to buy heroic dinar items for what purpose

to clear what content

[thorn thorn]

Heroic

And M+

[nova kelp]

Lol... 2 people in my guild have infinite delver

Screw gilded

Lol

[coral ibex]

who is still progging aotc

[thorn thorn]

More people than you would expect actually

[nova kelp]

There's people who are still pushing for aotc. Bet

[thorn thorn]

100% there are a ton of people still doing it

[nova kelp]

It's a big world out there

[coral ibex]

do those people even do +6 keys to get gilded

[thorn thorn]

Some casuals are truly awful at the game

[coral ibex]

who are we talking about here

[nova kelp]

Probably not

[thorn thorn]

these are the people who can barely do a 7

[coral ibex]

so we're griefing the entire end of the season for a tiny subset of players who are so bad that they are still progging aotc

[thorn thorn]

and the people on reddit who consider 10s real content

[thorn thorn]

Cauals are not a tiny subset

[coral ibex]

im pretty sure these people just quit

and dont keep progging aotc

[nova kelp]

The guild I was in back then. Those guys. Like half of them were too scared to DO a mythic + dungeon.

That's for the big boys

[coral ibex]

they do LFR/normal and delves

[thorn thorn]

They are the majority

[nova kelp]

That's most players yeah

[thorn thorn]

The actual majority of the playerbase does benefit from turbo boost

[nova kelp]

There's like a thousand of them for every you

[thorn thorn]

Majority by percent

[coral ibex]

like i have a whole guild of casual friends who think heroic is tuned too hard and just do casual normals and they hate turbo boost because it just feels like extra chores

for no real gain

[thorn thorn]

Those are the real tiny group

[coral ibex]

"dude lets do a drunk +4"

type shit

these people dont need gear they need god

to clear aotc

[thorn thorn]

Thats all casual players

[humble verge]

because casuals never really use addons/wa, but since every RWF guilds use every utility there is to raiding - blizz has to tune it so that they cant clear the raid in an hour week 1

[thorn thorn]

I have been in a ton of casual guilds and they have each been their own unique and tortured experience

And they all would 100% need what little turbo boost gives them to actually do vault keys and aotc

Cuz they need god

And probably more

Some of them are genuinely the worst players I have ever seen, no cappy

[thorn thorn]

God I wish it wasnt that much sometimes

Trying to do keys on my alts has been actual hell since turbo boost started

The demons came out of hiding

[nova kelp]

Rofl yeah. But also. Be thankful they exist

A game with no casuals suffers.

Talk to any fighting game fan or someone who's into destiny

[thorn thorn]

Destiny

[humble verge]

majority of subs are casuals

[thorn thorn]

Late as always

[humble verge]

yeah i know

but i was jorking it so

[thorn thorn]

[humble verge]

if you consider this, 12000 guilds have killed dim on hc and gotten curve

thats around mehhh 240k people that are a bit over casual

they like to actually do some raiding

16,3k guilds cleared normal ~327k

those are just known numbers

but out of those, there are atleast the double amount of people that just play wow to play wow

or else i dont think we would be where we are

there are an abundance of casuals who just play

and then you have the top 0.1% who are there to clear the expansion

or more so 0.01%

[thorn thorn]

Collectors, roleplayers, M+ers, delvers, and world content andys fall into that category

[humble verge]

no

[thorn thorn]

M+ers are easier to track then the rest

[humble verge]

casuals dont even m+

most REAL casuals just do delves

since they either 1 - have played the game so long and play solo, so they just delve for gear

or 2 - have tried m+ but the experience didnt fit them and they are doing something else

i can tell you probably not even half of the wow community has touched m+

most keys are run by the same people over and over again

sure, theres been done almost 30m keys

but you have A LOT of keypushers

doing 10+ runs a day

[nova kelp]

My missus just finished the campaign. And if you listen to her talk about it story mode raids are LITERALLY the best thing ever in wow

[humble verge]

yeah

story mode has really made raiding accessible to casuals

because theres barely anything they need to do

but they can consider themselves a raider

[drifting cloud]

isnt story mode just 1 boss to finish the campaign?

[fallow canopy]

Yup

[humble verge]

yes

[nova kelp]

Yep

[humble verge]

but it just being there is a great addition to the game

[strong dock]

will spattering off dimmy hit the adds in p1

[balmy condor]

if you stand on the adds, yes

if you don't stand on the adds, no

[humble verge]

oh god, looking back at one of my first casual raid guilds

[strong dock]

ty

[drifting cloud]

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

[drifting cloud]

damn salad bar is at 2k kills already

[humble verge]

turboboost is killing him

thats basically what was holding a lot of guilds back ig

[drifting cloud]

eh I think its just because getting to 6/8 is alot easier

[humble verge]

thats also true

[drifting cloud]

even if you compare to just last tier, where last 2 bosses were easier

but the middle 3 were harder

and since you wipe alot in p1 even for guilds that need 250-300 wipes you get there decently fast time spent in combat wise atleast

[maiden sierra]

my guildie told me that if youre in the top 500 guild in the world getting CE youre a casual, if you are top 300 raiding 3 days a week then youre semi casual, hall of fame = hardcore.

bro was not ragebaiting me... i cant believe people can be this delusional.

[humble verge]

thats in term of raiding tho

unironically

[nova kelp]

That certainly is a take

[humble verge]

hes kinda right

if you are an active raider, and radi 3 times a week

[nova kelp]

I guess it depends how you define "casual"

[humble verge]

like

casual wow player

it doesnt fit

but if youre a casual raider

yeah 500+ is casual as CE

[maiden sierra]

casual maybe clears mythic on the last week of the tier at best

[humble verge]

i would consider my guild casual, even tho we did spend 8h on saladbar one sunday...

[maiden sierra]

semi hardcore i say is top 800

[nova kelp]

Like there's a "friend" in my guild... He doesn't raid myth. He kinda gets carried in heroic. But he's more "hard core" than any of the ce Bois are.

Like he eventually completes EVERYTHING

I can't even imagine playing as much as he does. And I've been playing since vanilla beta

I do ce. He does EVERYTHING else... Imo I'm a causal next to him

And I have like 1200 mounts lol

He still absolutely dwarfs me in the game as a whole

[drifting cloud]

if turbo boost and raid renowns are here to stay you can definetly start to notice the gaps in skill even at similar wrs even more

like guild at wr 1k doing 1k+ wipes per tier is just crazy to me

if blizz didnt give you extra ilvl and 15% dmg buff wouldn you even be able to clear in 6months

yeah sure we used to have slightly more nerfs to bosses, but they were almost always mostly mechanical, the hp nerfs were usually 5-10%, now you get way more dmg from renown and turboboost and you still get the mechanical nerfs

[nova kelp]

I mean. That's always been a reality though right. Like at the end of that logical math is the world where were still progging the same bosses as the world first guys fought.

And in that world there's like 12 ce guilds

[drifting cloud]

no, like I said you would always get the mechanical nerfs

but a measly 2 months ago nexus king would have been under 200 kills and now its at 2k

thats alot of the boss dieing for 8 weeks

[humble verge]

i mean, we went for almost 800 wipes being top 400

[nova kelp]

I mean sure. But they can only nerf mechanics so far until it's just heroic. So they find another method for large scale tuning not bound to the encounter

It's the same measurement through another method

Sometimes you find a different boat for the channel. Sometimes you dig the channel wider.

[drifting cloud]

yeah but you probably killed dimmy what week1 of turbo boost or smth?

now imagine being in a guild that got to nexus king same time as turbo boost came out and still needing 700 wipes for last 2

[nova kelp]

Your analysis isn't wrong though. You're right in that a lot of guilds essentially RELY on ongoing nerfs and large scale upward tuning to manage it.

But it's better than all those players getting burnt out I guess from a development pov

If we really cared. Wed start looking at achievement dates

[drifting cloud]

dont misunderstand me, overall I think the nerfs are almost always a good thing

I just think they might be slightly too much

and by nerfs im counting all the systems togethers, not just actual boss nerfs

our power gains included

[nova kelp]

Maybe... But also that's part of the development side of thinking when it comes to the "shoulds" they're aiming for in the coming add-on cull

[humble verge]

nah we did week 2

[nova kelp]

100 ways to skin a cat or whatever

Arguably they picked a silly way... But it's a way lol

I agree with you though
Sorry wasn't meaning to sound like I disagree

[drifting cloud]

its just a new thing in tww, the gap didnt use to be so big

even in Nerubar honestly it wasnt that big

but they threw the nerf hammer on queen before she had even 100 kills so hard she didnt even need nerfs after lol

[nova kelp]

That's true with nerubar yeah. I was actually concerned my guild was Gona struggle in bug palace

But by the time we rocked along at like wr 900 she was a shadow of her former self

[drifting cloud]

obv im biased and was blessed to be in the guild I was

just not a fan if this is how every tier is going to look from now on

[severe meadow]

I am in fact in the Tarkov waiting lobby xd

God I hope 1.0 isn't bad

[nova kelp]

Same

Big same

[severe meadow]

I feel like it's just

going to be a regular ass patch + wipe

but idk

[nova kelp]

I'm worried. But hopefully it delivers

It needs to

[severe meadow]

it being on Steam now, yeah

it's gotta deliver

[drifting cloud]

well same thing really 😛 week1 had the dmg buff aswell right

[severe meadow]

but servers are going to be FRIED this weekend

[nova kelp]

Every time I open an fps I'm just worried about cheating lol

[drifting cloud]

reasonable its definetly too widespread in some titles

and once you get that feeling that you have a 50% chance of just wasting your time its hard to shake it

like I might aswell play card games I can only blame myself and rng there!

[nova kelp]

I played destiny 2 for the LONGEST time. And we always knew cheats were kinda common. But fuck me.

Over time I had just sorta accepted that I was average at BEST in d2 PvP. On occasion I was good. But normally going 1:1 kinda deal

One day though. I log into disc and see my friends OUTRIGHT cheating. Watching them though changed my perspective for good.

Literally every round. They would look through walls at someone and t bag at them. And without fail. That person would look and t bag back

Every. Single. Time.

Suddenly my 1:1 didn't feel so bad...

[tacit hedge]

Is prisim + antenna the best trink combo for 4 pc fatebound?

[nova kelp]

Yezzir

[fallow canopy]

Even tho its reasonable I think outside of like 2-3 outliers its insanely rare to encounter them on most fps games

[tacit hedge]

And do use only when we have vanish or on DM?

[fallow canopy]

Ideally every 3 min before you dm so you buff the coin flips, some people macro it to vanish since you basically use vanish also every 3 min

You can also use it every dm but it is a tiny bit worse

[nova kelp]

This kinda depends. Using on vanish is "best". But sometimes kill timers won't allow for you to maximise like that. Sometimes it's better to on DM. It's hard to give a general answer for CERTAIN. But like default is on vanish

[fallow canopy]

^

[tacit hedge]

That makes sense, I noticed that on first mythic boss. Thank you

[thorn thorn]

[fallow canopy]

[severe meadow]

At least sometimes you won't know on Tarkov

But if the account has tanked stats with a stock adar, they're prob cheating

[charred mango]

whats up with all the assa dimmy logs, havent checked in a while but I thought sub was ahead. I heard assa is relying on that tierset cdr bug, is that true?

[thorn thorn]

Tarkov talk in my assassination rogue chat

Heresy

[severe meadow]

Assa just better on dimmy

[severe meadow]

You don't even play Rogue..

[spice surge]

Not really, its just that sub gets completely fucked when timers arent good

Assa doesnt get as screwed

[thorn thorn]

Not true

I have a level 80 rogue

[lofty inlet]

Hey guys noob question. I haven't played retail in 2 months. Whats the trinket combo should I go for in both raids and m+ ? I currently have heroic lily and antena. ( Myth track raid trinkets aren't accessible to me ) Sorry for random question

Hero prism/ araz or myth lily + myth pacemaker ?

[severe meadow]

prism / antenna is the usual go to

[waxen oyster]

@severe meadow not me gonna play assa on dimmy b/c our push timings are so cooked

time to pray for cdr bugs

[digital venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fresh kelp]

im hyped

mostly been pve enjoying casually last couple wipes but looking to pvp with the boys for 1.0

sitting in queue on tarkov with midnight beta crashed on the side 🔥

[haughty flicker]

perfect nk kill timing

[split grail]

Yo am I crazy or does the 4pc seem to desych a lot more on nexus king than elswhere?

[thorn thorn]

Shoulda ran SD

[haughty flicker]

real

[balmy condor]

it desyncs pretty much the same on everything

[split grail]

I guess I just notice it more easily casue its during the move after first soak and not much else is going on

[fallow canopy]

At least you got to send

[haughty flicker]

our hpal played hpal for a day on this boss then swapped to ret

imagine if i had autumn there

[balmy condor]

nice flips

you got your edge case

why you bitchin

[haughty flicker]

only half of them tho

rip kb flips

[balmy condor]

ren check

[haughty flicker]

the one time i needed the tier set to bug

and it doesnt

[haughty flicker]

i need to kill nslime today

but lazy

[balmy condor]

Did you watch me min clear day 1

[haughty flicker]

i saw lotus but i had to go before slime

[balmy condor]

I checked slime health and was like oh this is free

And forgot about the heal

So I thought it would be a chill 15 min kill

And it ended up being 28

[haughty flicker]

ez clear

i didnt realize there was a countdown event, i couldve had another mag pot and been 250 now

unlucky

[runic hinge]

Nerds

[haughty flicker]

counterpoint

https://tenor.com/view/len-ren-maplestory-origin-6th-job-gif-13787762428143550476

gay bunny girl swordsman

[grim jay]

Why gay tho

[haughty flicker]

because she actually is

[grim jay]

So you basically mean thats in the lore

[haughty flicker]

its a fundamental part of her storyline yes

that or they were just roommates

[grim jay]

Sounds pretty modern for a game story

[haughty flicker]

true games never have relationships as part of a story

unheard of

[grim jay]

Games usually arent that inclusive

Atleast werent for most of the time

[haughty flicker]

i checked the damage amp on my nk kill and jesus christ

i got shit on

our enhance procced out of his mind + had pi but still wtf

[remote peak]

Hey all! New sin rogue here. Is there any recommended videos for rotations/tips/tricks? I’ve watched a few and they’ve been pretty helpful but my damage is abysmal in m+. I’m 690 and only doing 2.5-3m dps. Following Hekili is slightly worse… on dummy’s I can burst to 10mil but in dungeons it’s 7-8 maybe once. I’m just looking to see what’s average at that 690 ilvl and what resources helped you the most

[red schooner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZXEXxFABJM

There's timestamps in the description for specific bits but, good video

[agile wedge]

team how is the 1:10ish deathmark possible?

[balmy condor]

fatebound tier bug

[agile wedge]

oh

ty ty

[rotund oak]

WhispyrLarous Britanica

[remote peak]

Thank you!

[agile wedge]

do i refresh rupture before my big cds regardless of its remaining duration so i dont have to refresh it during dm kb combo? i feel like if i dont do it, it falls of during cds. downside is, i refresh not being in pandemic

[coral ibex]

it only matters that you dont press rupture during cold blood

otherwise you can refresh it during pandemic at any time during cds

[agile wedge]

thanks

also on my solo kbs i feel like i cant really get that much envenoms out. i pool a few secs, but regardless of that, my tea charges are mostly used at that point due to auto use. is this the nature of things or can i optimize here?

[coral ibex]

just how it goes

[haughty flicker]

as long as you have envenom going the first few seconds thats what matters, not being able to envenom near the end of it isnt an issue

by that point its already stacked up

[sharp viper]

very nice, you have my interest, tell me more

[balmy condor]

she's canonically stupid, and you can eat crayons while playing her

[sharp viper]

which flavour of crayon?

[balmy condor]

multiple

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-im-in-yes-sure-okay-gif-6062774407970869564

[balmy condor]

when they announced her, they said specifically they want it to be easy to play

for new players and stuff

specifically targetting new players

and by god

it's braindead easy

[sharp viper]

i think that's nice

[balmy condor]

it's the ret paladin of maplestory

very fun tho

high mobility, tanky as a mfer, very easy, visually stunning

[sharp viper]

it's nice to cater to players who enjoy an easy gameplay experience over having to try hard and use a brain

[balmy condor]

does a fk ton of damage for no reason

[sharp viper]

I'd say that applies to frost dk and ret paladin alike

destro and BM partially

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/len-ren-maplestory-origin-6th-job-gif-13787762428143550476

the goat

bunny*

dragon*

[sharp viper]

member when dk survivability was nerfed?

aren't they still the most tanky non-tank

[balmy condor]

yes

[humble verge]

i wonder if i should try FB in m+

[haughty flicker]

[humble verge]

its getting boring doing the most dps every key

someone will have to carry ME

for once

remember someone mentioning they did 15 keys as FB rofl

[crude wigeon]

swap to outlaw

If u wanna get carried

[humble verge]

honestly

[crude wigeon]

[humble verge]

maybe i should do some sub

[crude wigeon]

Its very good rn

[humble verge]

have yet to try it in keys

[crude wigeon]

Current sub is pretty pog

[humble verge]

im still trying to understand m+ opener for sub

[crude wigeon]

You just have to pray

Ur tank knows how to pull with sub

Or its over

[humble verge]

how are you rupture spreading as sub

[crude wigeon]

only on high hp mobs

usually

[humble verge]

hm ok

[crude wigeon]

or in downtime

If u play nado

U can flag nado and stack rupture

[humble verge]

and is it bp on 5+ targets instead of 8+ now???

[crude wigeon]

4 targets

[humble verge]

4

whatte

[crude wigeon]

yea

Bp is too broken

[humble verge]

jaha.

[crude wigeon]

You choose though

Between prio

Or aoe

U cant do both

[humble verge]

pad 😏

[crude wigeon]

depends on key ig

There are millions of commands in the sub channel

To find the answers you must head there.

[humble verge]

daily ego fueled

[crude wigeon]

Where is the sub gameplay u filthy liar

[halcyon flame]

I do that with my 700 ilvl warrior bruh

[humble verge]

in dawnbreaker i dont think so

[halcyon flame]

Dawn is crazy good for fury

ofc sub does a lot more

[humble verge]

pussied out

[crude wigeon]

Bro just hit dummies for 10 min

Read the rotation

And ur already gapping majority of the playerbase

I will convert you to play this iteration of sub before its lost forever

[pliant remnant]

omg that is so crazy

r1 log I think

[humble verge]

no

[humble verge]

no

[pliant remnant]

[pliant remnant]

[spice spire]

Stay strong king don’t let the bottoms win

[indigo sphinx]

Advice @stuck knoll should have taken long ago

[spice spire]

Don’t out yourself like that queen what the helly

[indigo sphinx]

Outing Zine don't at me

[stuck knoll]

???

What does this mean

[stuck knoll]

@indigo sphinx what

[crude wigeon]

almost got yo ahh i died with 18 prism stacks

anlaki

[humble verge]

also died with stacks before last boss, got doublestacked in melee on miniboss

[crude wigeon]

i might have flew into a frontal

i wont say

[humble verge]

we are both coping

[crude wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-typing-fast-pepetyping-gif-22951566

[spice spire]

She’s implying you’re fucking

And the pegging prophecy loosely (like zine) came through

Also that mf left

[stuck knoll]

HUH

[stuck knoll]

He plays Tarkov know

Tarkov and shaman

cringe

[spice spire]

So he’s even cringer than last time

Holy fuck

[indigo sphinx]

Ele shaman bottom energy for sure

[spice spire]

Just like Ronkles fr

[runic hinge]

Can’t believe zine would leave us

[humble verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/815524206857945098.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[oak tangle]

@balmy condor can you hack into poe servers and make the nameless seer spawn in my crimson township pls. ty. i'm only about 200 maps in

[balmy condor]

scry about it

[oak tangle]

you still playing the league?

[balmy condor]

yah, quick break for new maplestory patch

[oak tangle]

i started a few days late, the tree is nice, but i wish there was more tinks from breaches

but i haven't been doing breaches on giga juiced maps yet

[crisp ibex]

can someone with rogue assa full bis gear link his sim?

in st

[humble verge]

cleanest 10m ive seen

🥲

[coral ibex]

ctrl+F "raidbots.com" in this channel

[hot jay]

Is there a way to see damage by phase using lorrgs or do I have to click individual logs and go through them

[coral ibex]

lorrgs is separated by phase

[hot jay]

I see the phase separation lines but I'm wanting to see damage totals per phase

[coral ibex]

thats not what lorrgs is for

[hot jay]

I didn't really say it was, I was just wondering if it also had that feature

I swapped to assa instead of sub for our dim prog because our adds melt into the floor without the extra sub cleave however I wanted to directly compare assa and sub p3 outputs

[royal lantern]

assa is more boss dmg

cus assa does more boss dmg in general rn

[hot jay]

That's what I thought but I wanted to actually see some numbers validating it in p3 only

[royal lantern]

? im pretty sure assa is more boss dmg in all phases lol

[hot jay]

I figure the execute damage allows sin to be ahead but sub should do more in the 100% amp

[royal lantern]

(not like as if it matters at this point)

yeha ofc sub does more in the amp

[coral ibex]

assa is indeed more damage in all phases

[hot jay]

Right, the nature of that amp is the only reason I'm questioning it

[royal lantern]

assa loses like 2/3 of the amp because you still set your stuff up

[hot jay]

Yeah

[royal lantern]

but who cares about the amp when you do more dmg afterwards

its not week5 of the tier anymore

[crude wigeon]

i think people care cuz they want to speedrun p3

(only valid reason atp)

[hot jay]

I would have thought the amp damage had more of an impact on shortened p3 the longer the tier goes

Now that we are at 15% buff

[coral ibex]

yea you will feel really good wiping to mechanic issues with the boss at any percent

lol

no

your p3 will not be short if you are still progging dim at this point

your p3 will be long bc people will die to literally everything

the whole time

[hot jay]

Listen man, I understand that lol

[coral ibex]

bad circle placement, poor character management, eating lines

[hot jay]

P3 isnt going to just be some free burn

[coral ibex]

your damage doesn't matter at all

[royal lantern]

when you had a 28% pull, followed by 6 p1 wipes and then 3 people dying to the planets spawning in p3

[coral ibex]

you will kill the boss when your raid learns how to pilot their characters in p3

[hot jay]

But I'm optimizing my character anyway because why not

[crude wigeon]

i think it does because people dont want to play the last gravities where you have to run against the pull

[coral ibex]

ok, you are just going to drive yourself crazy optimizing something that has no impact

[hot jay]

Uhh

[coral ibex]

you're gonna do them anyway

by the time your raid figures out how to move in p3 it wont matter

you are gonna do them multiple times

[crude wigeon]

nah we got into p3 3 times and we got to 40% brah

[hot jay]

Its not rocket science, once I figure out which spec is going to do more for us in p3 I will simply be playing that

Im not agonizing over it

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[royal lantern]

the % doesnt matter really because that the time where the hard overlaps happen tbh

[coral ibex]

the simple answer is assa does more damage in every phase

[hot jay]

That's all I need then

[fallow canopy]

Also fb burst in st is pretty close to sub anyway

[hot jay]

Like I'm sure it's pointless to some extent for me to think about this stuff when I'm in a guild that slow progs mythic with low raid hours

But I draw enjoyment from optimization

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha

buut its mostly just

if you are not in the top50% of hall of fame

your spec choice doesnt matter really

cus wipes will literally never be related to dmg

[hot jay]

I mean yeah I could be playing outlaw

But for me, if I choose to think that way

Why am I playing

[royal lantern]

but to your priest constantly dying, your mages and warlocks not target swapping, and your warriors playing Floor PoV 48sec into a fight

[fallow canopy]

Yea i getchu, optimizing is a fun minigame while everyone in your group gets the fight

[hot jay]

I technically do adopt that mentality towards m+ so I guess it's not a stretch

I dont see any point in pushing against an infinite system if I'm not going to be a top leaderboarder

[royal lantern]

im still haunted by our p2 "the Rogue was highest dmg on the wall add btw"

[fallow canopy]

I'm scared to ask which of the 2

[royal lantern]

2nd platform 🙂

[crude wigeon]

[fallow canopy]

Yeye I meant like the 1st wall or the wind push wall

[royal lantern]

take a gues

[fallow canopy]

[royal lantern]

my INSANE wall add dmg

aka

rupture on it

[hot jay]

[royal lantern]

and like, 1 envenom that spattered

[humble verge]

why does boomie just get free dps even as 680 😭

my wl friend is almost 710

but then again, relearning wow again

[keen spruce]

Isn’t destro just cataclysm and rain of fire

And some burns

[haughty flicker]

destro is burny boomkin

[keen spruce]

I remember destro being big easy

[royal lantern]

destrolock looks at players talking about ret/bm/Devoker being braindead specs and laughs

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[thorn thorn]

[severe meadow]

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure its more damage in all phases

especially since almost no guilds actually hold to enable you to cd every platform as sub

I guess your living mass damage on first set is lower since sub has more ramp

but ngl if people still struggle with living mass damage with 15% buff and turbo boost ilvl

[knotty vapor]

what exactly does the parses column mean?

I thought it woulda been # of parses at the time of logging but that doesnt line up

[drifting cloud]

thats what it is

[knotty vapor]

oh nvm I'm dumb, I thought I had it sorted by date

[humble verge]

well that is true

oh ryler answered

im blind

[balmy condor]

@haughty flicker you're the dog

[waxen oyster]

How do you fight the urge to alt f4

when dimmy parries you in opener

[knotty vapor]

i fucking hate that shit so much

getting randomly parried by a boss just shouldn't be a thing in 2025

a tiny chance to say fuck you in particular is just dumb

[severe meadow]

My record so far is triple parried

[royal lantern]

stand behind the boss bozo

[knotty vapor]

yeah get sucked into the void to make sure your opener hits

why didnt i think of that

[royal lantern]

just shadowstep back up again

[knotty vapor]

so true

[thorn thorn]

Dimmy gives the big succ

[thorn thorn]

Uninstall at that point tbh

[balmy condor]

the trick is that I'

am full inside

I don't have an urge to alt f4

because I don't have an urge to anything

I am nirvana

content

[severe meadow]

Punishment, full day of m+

[balmy condor]

god has entered my soul and I am free

[knotty vapor]

nah I'd definitely kill myself before that

[severe meadow]

I’m still a solid 723 ilvl

[balmy condor]

noooooooo ahaha you're so sexy don't do that

🫦

[knotty vapor]

nobody can make me run a single other m+

until next year

[severe meadow]

I thought about it

Like oh maybe I can help carry this dimmy kill

With my shit ass cleave on platforms

[knotty vapor]

I will live with my crafted neck and ring until midnight

[severe meadow]

“Melee you have to focus the add there”

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-gif-2005335921372806036

[knotty vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[severe meadow]

Me bussin all over it

[knotty vapor]

the add will be focused by 40% of my poison damage

[balmy condor]

when you buss it's green?

are you some sort of lizardperson

[severe meadow]

Man they moved the big add away from the wall on 2nd platform

And I was like hey why we doing that

And he had the audacity to tell me to hard swap and rip CDs into wall

[balmy condor]

we had the wrong adds die in the wall

and the raid lead opened logs

went down the list

was legit all just cleave

[knotty vapor]

rip cd's into the wall

[severe meadow]

Yeah everytime that happens

[knotty vapor]

jfc

[severe meadow]

“Melee you have to focus the correct one”

Bro it’s all cleave

No one is swapping xd

[balmy condor]

"engulf?" evoker goes "that's cleave"
"caustic spatter, that's cleave"
"oh starsurge" boomkin goes "that's the cleave from starsurge"

[knotty vapor]

lmao

[severe meadow]

You still on nk?

[knotty vapor]

yeah we only raid 2 days a week

[severe meadow]

Same

[knotty vapor]

will be for QUITE A WHILE

im basically just raidlogging at this point

[severe meadow]

If we raided 3 days a week we’d be done by now

But nooo people have jobs and kids and wives

[knotty vapor]

oh to be 16 again

dad's at his gf's house, just me, the lich king, and a swimming pool 20 feet from my pc

TAKE ME BACK

NO RESPONSIBILITIES

[severe meadow]

I was playing CoD like a degen in those years

I didn’t really get into wow until MoP

Cata I was really casual

[knotty vapor]

I started in bc but didn't really get into raiding until icc

14 year old me didn't have the balls to get in vent with a bunch of 20 somethings

[royal lantern]

sure that it isnt the covid talking

[gilded oasis]

We started having just 1 ranged person swap to it for a few globals to make sure the right one was ahead

[golden pawn]

How yall feeling about midnight sin so far

[balmy condor]

#midnight-assassination

good, changes simplify the spec and remove a lot of jank, there's no concerns about restealthing in M+, some people take issue with pooling

[runic hinge]

I take issue with the loss of shiv

[haughty flicker]

i will miss shiv

[balmy condor]

fatebound m+ player speaking

[haughty flicker]

hes just getting ready for midnight

[runic hinge]

I’m here to break the meta

[heady ridge]

i think this question will sound incredibly stupid but is there any way to check what a theoretical top gearset sims for? like i've searched for other guys posting their ST sim for over 6m and i can barely reach 5.7m

[strong dock]

they might be using a shorter sim duration

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s8HB1yqeyF4dmeazdHdj3b

[heady ridge]

wow thanks didnt expect this to be a thing

[balmy condor]

theorycrafters usually have test profiles

they're not really useful for anything else

[heady ridge]

could be a set to strive for :^)

[balmy condor]

yeah sure, but that's not how gear works

"bis" is already flawed just on concept alone with how gear works

[maiden laurel]

Hello there! Im new here and was thinking of giving Rogue a chance. However i cant seem to find a proper rotation guide, do you guys know where i can find one?

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[maiden laurel]

Thanks!

So methods guide only show opener for fatebound, does that mean that deathstalker is stronger?

[balmy condor]

method guide has openers for both

[maiden laurel]

Yeah openers but the rotation after is what i want to find

Like when to use trinkets, shiv etc etc

[balmy condor]

that's consistent across both hero talents

[maiden laurel]

I am a returning player from classic so im a bit slow haha

Ah okey

[balmy condor]

you always press shiv with cds, you always press trinkets with cds

maintain rupture

spam envenom

gg

[maiden laurel]

Okey, so if triniet is ready and lets say kingsbane has like 5-10 sec left. Do i wait with trinket?

[runic hinge]

Normally this shouldn’t happen

[maiden laurel]

Then i have some practice to do, cuz i have that trinket which you can use every 20 sec. Do we use it on cd?

[runic hinge]

This season if you are using lily, you would macro it to deathmark. If you are using prism you would macro it to vanish in single target using it every other DM

You want to let prism build up stacks

If you are playing deathstalker and have 2 minute DM you wanna macro prism to that

[maiden laurel]

Aah i am fatebound

I can tell that i will be needing weakaura haha

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

I use whispyrs edit and plater

In single target with fatebound you wanna macro your prism to vanish

[maiden laurel]

Okey, thanks a lot man i will be practice a lot at dummies

[runic hinge]

Don’t hold dm for vanish either btw! Vanish with your dm at 3 minutes after your initial opener. Use your cds on cd is the general rule

[maiden laurel]

Aah okey, and we use vanish to get more powerful garrote and rupture?

[balmy condor]

no

you use vanish to flip an extra fatebound coin

you don't talent into improved garrote

and there is no stealth benefit to rupture

[maiden laurel]

Haha okey, i gotta do some reading i guess. I miss the good old youtube guides haha

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZXEXxFABJM

it's timestamped

and if something isn't answered in that

I will kill myself

[maiden laurel]

3.33hr long?! 😂

Aah its you! I will check it out later and hopefully i will have learned something

[balmy condor]

like I said

[coral ibex]

there's nothing like a pooks video

[balmy condor]

I'm also the writer of the method guide you read earlier

and also the wowhead guide if you read that

[maiden laurel]

Damn

I know who i will whisper with questions 😎

[coral ibex]

you should definitely do that

[keen spruce]

don't whisper whispyr he's a busy man

just type in here and get bullied for not knowing things

until you know things

and u can bully people

[maiden laurel]

Hahah learn the tough way

[runic hinge]

U Stinky

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-interview-it-goes-without-saying-gif-12669775144079688963

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/groundhog-animal-eating-animal-eating-groundhog-eating-gif-16107693171920922043

[waxen oyster]

realistically theres probably multiple variants

If you're only 5.7 you likely aren't 730 in just about every slot

[real pike]

Didn't whispyr say there were thousands of variants all within margin of error or something lol

[golden loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/udgzntC58djKdiRU6yeYka I boiled the ocean for an hour just to see the classic "Your currently equipped gear is the top gear"

[lyric vale]

Cinema

[static glacier]

question is what're you even simming for

[golden loom]

Fun

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-katta-kat-cat-kitty-gif-5719640169945489196

[humble verge]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G5EpAwEWgAAgxuh.gif

[humble verge]

man

playing fb on SH aint that bad tbf

forgot to talent change for this glory run im boosting

and its pretty good dps as long as all are stacked and you got rup on all of them tbf

might try next week

[nova gust]

Have a build to share? I loathe playing DS on SH

[humble verge]

it just the standard FB with caustic spatter

[nova gust]

Oh I see, been using it too

[sleek night]

Hey all, I got mythic soul hunters coming up tonight with my guild and I can’t seem to figure out what to do in council fights like it. Any pointers?

[coral ibex]

hit darksorrow, upkeep rupture on all 3

[real pike]

Run around like a headless chicken trying not to die and moaning about how shit the fight is

That was my strat

[sleek night]

That’s it? Just focus dark and maintain rupture? I do that and still always have pretty low dps or at least compared to the rest of the guild

So we’re just naturally bad at that fight then?

[royal lantern]

not really, assa is kinda good on it

[sleek night]

What is kinda the expected dps on that fight. I only have heroic to base it off of but I hit around high 6m to low 7m dps normally. A majority of my guild is hitting 10 mil though I know some of those classes have much better cleave for council fights

[shy creek]

For an assa rogue, median is around 8million

that said the variance of dps in 3 target cleave is pretty high, its like +-2m dps or smthn

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/44/?boss=3122

Heres the page for the statistics ifyou'd like to see

[sleek night]

Well at least I can hit the lower quartile lol. Is this a fight that I should be using crimson tempest on or would a more ST build be better?

[runic hinge]

I used the m+ build

[sleek night]

You use the indiscriminate carnage build for hunters?

[west crown]

doing good on SH is entirely dependent on how shit your tanks are

[runic hinge]

yes

[sleek night]

in the way of keeping the bosses together right?

[scarlet orbit]

Yes 2 of them are tankable so they need to run after the one jumping around. If you have slow tanks your dmg will suffer because you lose uptime on them obv

[naive valve]

Wanting to actually stick with assassination for more than a handful of weeks, the one thing that feels "bad" to me is the fact that we are supposed to run out of energy/have downtime in our rotation. My brain always goes "oh im not pressing buttons therefore im not damaging therefore im playing bad". How do i get around that?

Is it just knowing that between bleeds/poisons/autos that yes, i am actually still dealing damage?

[coral ibex]

i would rely more on actual measurements of your damage and not how you feel

assa is a cd-based spec so we do more damage during cds than not

so damage output should feel spikey to some degree

with ups and downs

you might be more interested in other specs/classes that have flatter damage profiles, so you always feel like ur doing damage

[naive valve]

Sub's another burst spec right? Are the cd's quick enough for it to be "flatter" than sin or is it about the same?

[analog field]

sub is way worse

[naive valve]

I really really want to like rogue 🤣😂

[coral ibex]

sub is even more feast/famine than assa

[analog field]

outlaw is one of the flattest specs though

[coral ibex]

you do healer damage outside cds

[sleek night]

Sub is much higher highs and much lower lows. If you’re looking for consistent in rogue it’s outlaw. But outlaw is considered one of the most difficult classes in the game

[naive valve]

Just through sheer apm right?

[coral ibex]

it also completely collapses under forced downtime phases

it needs 100% uptime to realize its damage profile

[naive valve]

Outlaw doesnt have SS correct?

They changed to just grappling

[coral ibex]

yea only grapple

[analog field]

I would say that most specs don't do very well outside of CDs. Yeah ok they press buttons but doing 0

[naive valve]

This true

[jaunty notch]

hey! saw someone talking about performance issue with plater and someone else linked other nameplate addon for less lag, anyone have the name ?

[sleek night]

Yes this is why it’s one of the most difficult specs, it requires precision to maintain uptime. But if you get it right then it’s consistent with over 90% uptime

[jaunty notch]

want to see how bad plater is ruining my fps

[naive valve]

I suppose ill try to just gear and learn on assa then when i feel silly goofy ill put time into outlaw

This being said i tend to not go higher than AotC on dps specs bc i feel too bad/stressed about my damage to feel like id do any good in mythic

[sleek night]

How I’ve been doing assa in raids and M+ bosses is I spam abilities during cds like you’d normally want to and I just hella pace myself outside of those. The big thing is making sure you deal massive damage in cds everything else is just maintaining bleeds and using envenom when you can. If you have more 5 or more combo points don’t muti again to hit the 7 max it’s not worth the energy cost

[humble verge]

can we actually

reset bosses

[royal lantern]

i think in theory yes, but its not consistent?

[humble verge]

idk if we need to remove our poisons tho

🤨

[thorn thorn]

Yes

Tricks the boomkin, throw knife the boss, insta vanish

Blame boomkin for not paying attention

[humble verge]

yeah

especially

when mrt and my WA tells me i pulled the boss

[thorn thorn]

ya cuz thats how you reset

But if boomkin hit boss or interacted with you during reset, they would get aggro

Or you could tricks them

and gaslight the raid into thinking the boomkin did it

[humble verge]

Xd?

[red schooner]

Or you just wait for the boomkin to cast wrath 10 seconds before the pulltimer, as it tradition.