assassination

[haughty pewter]

I've been building to 7 cp's for my cb during dm, is that good/bad or negligible?

[balmy condor]

bad

[haughty pewter]

thx

Consistently getting to P2.2, should be grabbing a prism from vendor on tuesday, will be sending prism on first plat and holding for P3

[wise fiber]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T2LnYxHw81j63Gkf?fight=last&type=damage-done
i cant hit more than 4.9 mill dps . Can anyone help me out here on what im doing wrong please .

[haughty pewter]

You could shiiv more, the first shiv I see is at 1:15 which isn't in your death mark window. Shiving in your deathmark window allows you to skip marks and get more darkest night procs in your deathmark. It also increases the damage of those envenoms which should be caustic spattering.

Caustic Spatter should be your 1st or 2nd biggest damage dealer over the course of a key. The uptime should be higher as it's only at 57%.

[balmy condor]

you're also just straight up not spreading garrotes

you pressed it twice in your subterfuge window here

just seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of your priorities

should be stealth garrotes on everything, five ruptures, then CT to get it up, cooldowns, then spam envenom

instead what's happening is maybe garrote, five ruptures, and then kind of just a mess

no stealth garrote means no damage and no energy

which means no sanguine blades

which means no bleed damage

and because you're not using subterfuge/carnage correctly and pressing CT again randomly

you're stuck hitting bleeds out of carnage when you should be hitting envenom

and everything just kind of falls apart

1. bleeds
2. cooldowns
3. envenom

every time

[wise fiber]

thanks everyone will correvt them 🙂 didnt know till someone pointed it out :)\

[flat pier]

Soon brothers ! Soon we can get into beta and see how simple the new CT gameplay has become

[tired bloom]

The new changes at least cemented my decision to quit playing assa, I don't like energy pooling

[static glacier]

@balmy condor tf did you do to your name

it's so thicc

I thought fuu was the graphic design cutie

[balmy condor]

discord update from a couple days ago

[red schooner]

I hate it

[tawdry halo]

Change

yuck

[marble wadi]

is there any build aside of bleed that can be played in dawnbreaker

[balmy condor]

some people play cleave, but just a quick look at logs, it's like 99% bleed

some russian guy played fatebound cleave

and it seems like he's the only one within 3 key levels to do so

take that as you may

[marble wadi]

ill limit test the patiance of my companions with it

[balmy condor]

they should worry about their own gameplay

[marble wadi]

amen

[stiff topaz]

Totally new to Assa, but figured I'd piggy back off of this.

Does this in practice mean

Stealth in, spread Garrote on as many targets as possible, get CT up, press Shiv, Vanish and Deathmark, and go into build/spend mode?

[balmy condor]

kinda

missing the ruptures

and there's no point in vanishing

[stiff topaz]

True true

[balmy condor]

but yeh close enough

[stiff topaz]

I've been using Hekili in delves just to get a feel for shit (obviously dont expect Hekili to be accurate, but it's a starting point) since I'm not used to dot specs

but figured it's time to take the training wheels off

fwiw I started teh guy yesterday

[balmy condor]

tbf, it's not really much of a dot spec

[stiff topaz]

so I'm new new

[balmy condor]

it's an envenom spec that happens to require maintaining some dots

[stiff topaz]

tl;dr from what I've gathered so far;

keep Garrote and Rupture up perma

[balmy condor]

and in m+ you get to spread it out a lil

[stiff topaz]

build/spend with Muti+Enven

but it seems like I kinda want to get Garrote out on all targets, and that part has me kinda flummoxed so far

[balmy condor]

only from stealth

non-stealth garrotes are dogass gigashit

[stiff topaz]

No CD for 6 secs after stealth ye?

[balmy condor]

more so the damage part I guess, but yeah that helps

[stiff topaz]

Stealth into pull -> spread Garrote with stealth buff -> Rupture on main target -> Shiv + Deathmark -> build + CT -> build+Enven?

or CT before Deathmark?

[balmy condor]

gotta rupture twice for scent of blood, ct before deathmark

[stiff topaz]

++

all send into main target I reckon?

[balmy condor]

if you want

[stiff topaz]

Assuming there is a high value target in the pack I suppose

[balmy condor]

some people get really sweaty with it and will try to convince you that you have to get mouseover macros

[stiff topaz]

That sounds like a thing for later 😛

[balmy condor]

in case you happen to waste 1 garrote out of a billion for the INSANE dps loss

[stiff topaz]

hahaha

[balmy condor]

they get super butthurt when you tell them you don't care

that's usually my strat

[stiff topaz]

I like that strat

Do I care about opening with Ambush from stealth?

[balmy condor]

have to for deathstalkers mark

[stiff topaz]

I have no reason to doubt this, but just asking because of what Hekili is serving - and it's asking me to use both Vanish stacks fairly early in the opener/rotation. Just bad/outdated APL?

[balmy condor]

it's got nothing to do with APL

it's just the stupidity of trying to ram sim logic into gameplay

it vanishes for master assassin crit, because it has fundamentally no understanding of holding vanish to allow you to spread bleeds later on

[stiff topaz]

Fair

fwiw, my gut feeling was that Vanish is better saved to make sure you have stealth between pulls

especially in chain pulls

[balmy condor]

thank fucking christ hekili is gone in midnight

can't wait

[stiff topaz]

I like Hekili, but most people definitely misuse it/misunderstand the point of it.

[balmy condor]

weakauras died in the war

but elvui and hekili are gone

a worthy sacrifice

[stiff topaz]

😄

I guess the technically optimal thing is to target swap when spreading Garrote and Rupture through IndCarnage?

[balmy condor]

mouseover macros so you don't lose auto attacks

[stiff topaz]

Is it normal to experience somewhat severe energy starvation in ST in M+ build? I assume there's a high chance I'm fucking something up

or is that the reason why Assa lowkey requires adds on bosses to deal relevant damage?

(at least I remember hearing that earlier this season)

[scarlet orbit]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[jaunty notch]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[jade abyss]

can we take the soulhunter charge solo with cloak or eva ?

[royal lantern]

cloak, its magic dmg

[jade abyss]

thank you

[humble verge]

im gonna join in an alt run today with the guild im potentially joining

[pliant remnant]

[sharp viper]

have fun!

[dire ivy]

Hey, playing a bit of assas again since s1. do we not ambush at all unless we proc as fatebound on the current best ST talent loadout? i. e. do i remove ambush from my stealth bar?

[royal lantern]

doesnt matter really

ye, opening with garrote is technically very slightly better

but we talk about a borderline imaginary thing there

[dire ivy]

im mostly concerned about the mutilate after vanish one. since we dont seem to play imp. garrote i dont need to garrote after vanish and on wowhead it reads to vanish -> mut not vanish -> ambush

[shy axle]

thats just one possibility, even the vanish placing is variable there

just vanish and finish, no matter ambush/mut or even finishing directly with vanish -> env is ok

[golden loom]

And the mutilate is only there if you have to build, with coins from cds giving combo points if they crit (cause they are bugged) + shiv/kingsbane combo point generation, often you dont even have to build there and can just envenom

[coral ibex]

well you can fix this entirely by always vanishing before DM

and then your next gcd will always be DM

the actually correct answer tho is that it doesn't matter

[dire ivy]

Got it, thanks guys

[coral ibex]

you can press mutilate or ambush

you won't notice a difference

[shy axle]

does anyone know if the trash before nexusking respawns with the miniboss after killing him? just need the rep form 1 mini and misse dit last wednesday

never paid attention

[severe meadow]

You see Zezima logged in?

End time are upon us..

[coral ibex]

hes a casual rs3 player

he logs in regularly

[limber walrus]

Whats wrong with ElvUI?

[vestal wren]

mostly performance

plater, weakauras and elvui

the death trinity for your fps

players who are performance aware,
which means who like to play on higher frame rate monitors or have weaker hardware
usually avoid the mentioned in favor of some lightwight alternatives

I try to go a bit more into details with examples.
If we look at nameplates, this article did a lot of the testing work for us already.
The author created a graph showcasing differences from his data:

I did a similar test a while ago, but i had one addon included that's missing from the list

nameplatekai which offers quite a bit more functionality than e.g. kui, because that's a key factor in deciding on addon use.

what i found was that nameplatekai took iirc 3 times less cpu cycles as kui

but that aside, going from 14 to ~1 ms cpu time is already a 14x reduction in cost

[earnest remnant]

use elvui + plater and remember to setup update rate to as low as possible in plater and details for maximum results, trust

[vestal wren]

plater scripts make plater performance even worse

[coral ibex]

i need the details meter to update every 0.05 seconds bro

trust me

[vestal wren]

there are like stealthi mentioned ways to work around certain issues

by setting different refresh rates

or the use of another plater plugin you need to install seperately to make the addon usable on certain raids on m+ pulls

[earnest remnant]

"lower" in this case makes everything worse, would not recommend to set details and plater to 0.05 update intervals

[vestal wren]

oh sorry, i mean higher refresh cycles

hiding details during combat is also a performance increase

[earnest remnant]

but how do i see myself smoking the opposition if thats hidden?

[vestal wren]

thats the neat part, you don't

[humble verge]

so my alt got a r14

[vestal wren]

nice, congrats

[humble verge]

on my alt.

in a fucking boost run

[vestal wren]

why is that bad?

[humble verge]

because its not my main

😭

[vestal wren]

maybe it is because it was a boost run

and adds did last longer

[humble verge]

well

my cds skewed up

and so it kinda lined up at the end

i had 7 kb and 4 dms

[vestal wren]

but i also probably don't care enough, i am happy for good parses on my mains and alts

[quasi ledge]

Just came back to assa as sub. Do we refresh both bleeds before mark/kb? So we dont have to refresh inside window?

[worldly bridge]

i cant see these trinkets on bloodmallet are they any good ?

maybe i overlooked the list idk

oh mb only the shadowguard is missing

[coral ibex]

the only time you absolutely cannot refresh a rupture is when you have the cold blood buff

[worldly bridge]

because its a tank one idk why its there

[coral ibex]

otherwise you can refresh garrote and rupture whenever they are in pandemic

including during cds

[quasi ledge]

okay ty 🙂

And do we need to Muti after vanish? Can i do a finisher if i already have 5+ CP?

[scarlet orbit]

You follow normal rotation. So at 5+ cp you would finish

[digital elk]

Sorry, fuu was talking in here that's sub

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear#trinkets

[humble verge]

well

looks like i dont have to raid english maybe

potentially still raiding norwegian

[earnest remnant]

condolences

[covert kettle]

do ppl still have trubble with cds on FB not syncing

?

fell like when im raiding like evert 4 pull Coldowns are fucked

[proven cliff]

How are these stats? These are unbuffed. Raid and M+.

[red schooner]

It happens, just use cold blood as your guide for timings.

[proven cliff]

Raid stats with a crit/haste neck over a verse/crit neck.

[analog field]

best option to sim them , but probably haste the less valued stat in raid

[latent gazelle]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[proven cliff]

Yeah, I don't use Signet. I use Ritual Forge for M+ and Lily of Eternal Weave for Raid.

[severe meadow]

I kinda fucked with the vibe on rs3

I did a bit of bossing on it and it was fun

[waxen oyster]

smart strat is have a script that only has details showing during sb flag

and hidden otherwise

[vestal wren]

i think details is distracting

because you focus on something with many factors out of your control

e.g. for subtlety, critical strikes and random procs play a central role in how high you are on the damage meter in the opener

tanking can have a HUGE impact on your output on multiple fights, where tanks can noticeably reduce your output

[humble verge]

ok, can someone tell me how youre almost a 720 dk doing less than 5m overall

youre just pressing obliterate, aoe obliterate, breath or whatever

😭

i actually saw him once use breath

on 2 mobs

that both had 50% hp left

[fallow canopy]

maybe he's an asmathic dk

[humble verge]

so maybe theres something there

[thorn thorn]

Do you have a log

[chilly sluice]

what's happening on top rogue logs for saladhar? no casts between 2.40 and 3.40. To do with skipping platforms?

[fallow canopy]

if the person logging is on the other platform the logs are funky

[waxen oyster]

me when i see coup ready a second round in the same shadowdance

[humble verge]

no i never log this shit

and have forgot to redownload advanced combat log

wait

lemme see

nvm had combatlogging turned off

[waxen oyster]

what key

[chilly sluice]

that makes so much more sense, cheers

[humble verge]

12 eco

[waxen oyster]

Bro’s afk

[humble verge]

goated tank let me restealth

almost everywhere atleast

[vestal wren]

i mean, i personally don't care that much about parses. And you kinda can cheese it with disoriented before a whipe

[waxen oyster]

i had like 8m in eco on my alt dh first time i played havoc this ssn

[humble verge]

i think he understood how bad the other two guys were doing

[fallow canopy]

i'm glad that the real rogue comunity won this design battle ( the great fall of rogue discord cult )

[balmy condor]

I have faith in midnight to finally put the restealth shit to rest

But I know in my heart that those idiots are just going to bitch about improved garrote

[thorn thorn]

My 1% REEEEEEEEEE

[waxen oyster]

1%

doesnt even play highest simming race

that i dont understand

Like if you gonna pretend to minmax

then play some shit like belf or nelf

really makes you think

[nova kelp]

"MAH RESTEALF!!!!!!"
meanwhile: 50% uptime

[balmy condor]

Guys I saw they remove stealth stuff but improved garrote still exist, so night elf best race for m+ again?

[waxen oyster]

why do people who say that shit

forget orcs just have a stat steroid

that juices your cds even more

[humble verge]

ok

just to understand lfg now

is "note" just

"tip to join my key"

[balmy condor]

But my cd is single target and I have no aoe cd so why buff cd

But also if I’m not doing raid single target my spec is dogshit

[scarlet orbit]

Yea they just changed it from "tip" to "note"

[humble verge]

yea alr

[thorn thorn]

"Tank wont give me restealth so my damage is dogshit"

Crimson Tempest used twice

[waxen oyster]

love people holding cds for 6 years

then asking why damage suck

[humble verge]

man

i remember i only used cds for bosses before

because i was "afraid" to use them

😭

in dungeons

[shy heron]

It's not fair the other dps use their CDs on cooldown and do much more dps when I'm a victim just waiting for my OTP (one true pull) so I can show them just how much dps I can do

[humble verge]

[shy heron]

[nimble tartan]

guys if you are maghar orc unfortunately u are a victim of no aura no rizz im so sorry

brought to u by the dwarf association

[main bridge]

gear looks terrible on small races and you're talking about aura

[prime hull]

is there anything kinda niche but useful i can dinar? maybe araz forge for some fights (deathstalker?) or something for m+? not playing sub/outlaw so idk if there is anything useful i can get for sin i already have pretty good gear

[static glacier]

For m+ id drop the offhand for a 2nd 730 dagger and look to swap belt or bracers and run 2x dawn or duskthread

Heck even for raid tbh, the uptime is going to be super high deep into reclears while ascension loses value as fights get shorter relative to dawn thread

[nova kelp]

get outlaw gear and be an apm gooner while the xpac winds down

[static glacier]

Dinar-wise you’re probably getting araz if you want it as an option / care for sub 2x on use

Maaaaaaybe

Just maybe

[prime hull]

nah i really dont like current sub

[static glacier]

It’s dimmy ring

If all you care for is sin m+

[prime hull]

i mostly just care sin raid

[static glacier]

Defensive value + massive haste

[prime hull]

but i have nothing to spend dinars on

[static glacier]

Sin m+ is relatively much more haste hungry after all

[prime hull]

yeah i guess i could get one for keys

[static glacier]

For raid I think you’re pretty much bis’d out

You could always get a lily for short fights

[prime hull]

araz isnt useful for deathstalker over prism on the fights we play that i guess

[static glacier]

Only ds fights are soulbinder and soul hunters

[nova kelp]

we play deathstalker on fightS?

lol I only played DS on shunters

[static glacier]

Soulbinder is a legitimate case for araz, but I’m fairly sure if you care about overall dmg and not super useful dmg you’d just run prism anyway for the aoe

[nova kelp]

not for my group hey

the only adds that exist are the ones in the middle

[static glacier]

Soul hunters idk tbh, depends on timers

[nova kelp]

the 2 that pop from the tubes along the way are instantly evaporated by 2 monks and their lightning fingers

[static glacier]

Prog’d it as sub so no comment

[prime hull]

yeah im perma blue parse on soulbinder due to ww monks and evokers hehe

[nova kelp]

honestly, if a GOOD ww exists in your raid soulbinder is a FB + spatter fight

[static glacier]

Fun fact, I got r1 by like 400k dps on my hunter alt, was like 1m dps below the orange ww

Probably more to do with sv sucking dick than anything else though

[haughty flicker]

[static glacier]

Only advice I can give is legit look to hold DN for the breaks, bonus points if it’s in lingering and you can shiv - dmg amp goes crazy

[pliant remnant]

I was gonna question that

and then bro said "sv"

[static glacier]

😭

[haughty flicker]

i both respect and fear anyone who is playing survival this tier

and hope they find the help they need

[prime hull]

...and outlaw

[haughty flicker]

no i couldnt care less about outlaw players

[static glacier]

The issue isn’t that sv is bad

It’s that the black arrow button is giga broken

They took a sv ability that they robbed from wc3 and gave it to bm 😭😂

All things considered I’m fairly sure sv is actually middle of the pack assuming equal skill

[balmy condor]

@signal ridge

[severe meadow]

Just also better melee to bring, no?

[signal ridge]

[severe meadow]

Like idk when I’d want a sv hunter over a DK

[severe meadow]

How’s league going pookie?

[waxen oyster]

is any melee worse rn

[severe meadow]

On a vibe level probably ret

[split veldt]

should i use myth forge trinket over myth lily for keys?

someone said lily doesnt do slice sims well

[waxen oyster]

and bm is basically melee

isnt prism better than both

[split veldt]

dont have one

[waxen oyster]

skill issue shoulda used dinar on

but i mean sin isnt a 1.5min spec in keys

so lily is less value there

[severe meadow]

Forge is better in m+ over Lily I’d imagine

[split veldt]

lily better in raid still?

[waxen oyster]

if fb

[split veldt]

ye

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean you want a trinket for every use

dinar prio should be prism

[split veldt]

even a heroic prism?

[waxen oyster]

Well no i meant mythic obvs

[split veldt]

well im only 4/8

i pug mythic xD

[waxen oyster]

mythic frac is easier

than mythic araz

[severe meadow]

Well Fract is easier than Araz imo

And his opinion

[split veldt]

good, we extended it for next week, it's a pug community run

so hopefully next week

[waxen oyster]

extending first 4

what the helly

[severe meadow]

Lmao

[waxen oyster]

Yeah idk once you clear araz

frac is free

its sh that is an actual boss

[split veldt]

they want to do hunters and fract lol, idk, not my run, i just show up

[severe meadow]

If they have brain they do Fract first

[split veldt]

yeah they are

[severe meadow]

Better vault if you can’t clear hunters

[split veldt]

truth

need me some booties

[severe meadow]

Since you’d get hunters and Fract

You’d need a kill for the dinar boots unfortunately

[waxen oyster]

just vault them

natty

it actually feels so weird to be done with gearing already

[severe meadow]

Yeah, I kinda just raid log at this point

Since we’re just slamming dimmy prog

[waxen oyster]

I could get

priory neck

or db ring for sub

thats it lmfao

[severe meadow]

I could use neck from king

[waxen oyster]

could make double lens for sub

[severe meadow]

I didn’t win it when it dropped

[waxen oyster]

minor gain

[severe meadow]

I did get the dagger tho

[waxen oyster]

king neck an upgrade for you?

[severe meadow]

I think slightly

[waxen oyster]

i lucked out

got the streets one in vault

last week

[severe meadow]

Most stuff is just marginal at this point

[waxen oyster]

yee

i have nothing to dinar

[severe meadow]

I had normal hunter boots

And even that to mythic was only .5% xd

[waxen oyster]

i bought forge

if i want to double on use as sub

i could have been unethical

and had lootcouncil give me it

[severe meadow]

Just be on loot council like me

[waxen oyster]

i get decent stuff with it

i got prism from lc 3x

across difficulties

[severe meadow]

Our DK got prism over me

Then I got it from vault

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i got our only mythic prism drop

[severe meadow]

Out drops in general was kinda ass

We only saw 1-2 antennas

[waxen oyster]

i think whispyr’s assa simc profile for bis

[severe meadow]

1 prism

[waxen oyster]

still sims like 20k more than me

for some reas

[severe meadow]

Only 1 leather boot from hunters between heroic and mythic

[waxen oyster]

our final kill we had double leather drop

[severe meadow]

Had Mail Drop like 7-8 times

[waxen oyster]

with only one left

think cloth is our down bad one

[severe meadow]

Yeah speaking on that

I don’t think we’ve even seen cloth

[humble verge]

you guys didnt get the first dropped leather pair?

smh

[severe meadow]

Our first drop was from a random reclear like last week

There’s no shot we reclear now since we’re on dimmy

[humble verge]

we did 1 reclear

after getting to dimmy

but because we were down 2 of the main healers for dim prog

iirc

also one of the tanks

[severe meadow]

King was a bit frustrating for us

Multiple roster changes

[humble verge]

frustrating

only 270 pulls

[waxen oyster]

yeah

love when we kill

on my one bad pull

[humble verge]

oh

im glad i got to play assa on forge tho

after 5 reclears as sub

[waxen oyster]

reminds me how i got a 4 our first sh kill

[severe meadow]

290 for us

Which is crazy because we only saw p3 like 25 times, maybe

[humble verge]

thats normal tho

most wipes are p1 anyways

[severe meadow]

I was so bored of ghosts

How many pulls did dimmy take for y’all?

[humble verge]

317

the day before the kill

back to back to back 10% p3

[severe meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205267724696031273/1407563922780717130/sideyeing.gif

[humble verge]

but then again

a lot of these pulls were before turboboost

turboboost basically changed so i could go assa

and made just the fight better id say

this is pretty much when turboboost hit

[slim copper]

this fight looks so dang chaotic guys

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ponkesol-ponke-solana-sol-roller-coaster-gif-16860871299633853683

[coral ibex]

yea over half of our pulls were before turbo boost and i was on sub

[thorn thorn]

Where is my tithe

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/boy-kisser-cute-dance-gregoria-gif-3795838309085519849

[thorn thorn]

Not quite what I meant

I need a funny one

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-cat-blinking-cat-funny-cat-funny-cat-blinking-gif-27202865

[coral ibex]

GET JIGGY

[west crown]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[west crown]

Do we Fok Soul Hunters?

[normal mist]

foking them is good

(im pretty sure whispyr said we mutilate on soul hunters a few days ago)

found it

@west crown

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-squidward-tentacles-squidward-megaphone-gif-22821307

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

I had a rogue in a pug spamming only fok

Almost no spatter damage dealt

[tawdry halo]

Man's never read a tooltip in his life

[thorn thorn]

Im a magnet for trash players idk

I always see them

[thorn thorn]

(this one is from a key)

The build he was running

🥀

[tawdry halo]

16% uptime on rupture

may as well just AFK

[cunning needle]

tbh look at the trinkets

dudes probably a dad with 4 kids and 20 minutes to play a week

delve bomb trinket and the shitty ara kara trinket

[thorn thorn]

This is a fairly new character by the looks of it, 682

Not even a maxed reshii wraps either

He was also playing fatebound

Simply playing the right build would have done a lot

[thorn thorn]

Good thing their rupture uptime was low otherwise they would be at risk of losing value on this talent

[tawdry halo]

Didn't even think of that, was just looking at the low caustic damage

[thorn thorn]

I also just realized he has amplifying poison and dtb and is running deadly and instant poison

[buoyant herald]

Dudes living in 2005

[fallow canopy]

[fresh kelp]

bubbling wax chad

[grim jay]

Always wondered how people get that wrong

Its perfectly logical to use deadly and amp

But then again people cant read anyways

[waxen oyster]

damage disc belt

[grand trail]

gonna play assa on every boss today reclear

was looking at nexus timings and it look like mess

[red schooner]

Nah, just hit CDs the second they come on CD and it lines up okay

Just any delays kind of fuck you for the amp.

[grand trail]

wonder why they did not fix that random extra cdr as i see ppl still get it sometimes

[red schooner]

Like, you send it the instant they're back. I even cloaked the mortars on the platforms just to keep on the titan

[grim jay]

Probably because its irrelevant for midnight and they just dont see the value anymore at this point

[umbral barn]

For those using plater, how do you get crimson tempest to show up?
I am not having success with manual debuff settings and adding "crimson tempest" string to the debuff list.
I can get it to show up if I add it to buff special

[marble wadi]

heroic prism or myth forge for m+?

[grim jay]

Forge

[tired bloom]

prism

ah, it's assa 2min cd, nvm, forge

[haughty pewter]

I've been using the luxthos WA and that kind of keeps track of it for all mobs as it only goes out once and lands on everything

[peak lake]

was looking to switch back assa for the end of farming, and then i'm looking at lorrgs for the timings x) what a pleasure to see 1mn deathmark cd

and ofc they wont fix it until midnight

wtf is this log

[cunning needle]

yeah assi is actually a 1min class not 1.5min class

they realised that that was subs niche

[fathom flax]

@balmy condor

he's done it

1 raid after you, as was foretold

[balmy condor]

o7

[halcyon flame]

Cute font 😄

[tawdry halo]

wow nexus king is really

uhhh

a fun boss

[cunning needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1401113381632737280/1419766502608994335/saladplanet-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[humble verge]

[pulsar hound]

does anyone know where i can find some macros to make the opener easier, not sure if tis optimal to have a macro like that

[sullen topaz]

Wait.. but 1 min dm is just a big Right ? Is it so easy to reproduce ? Oo

[analog field]

it happens quite a lot but it is not necessarily a dps gain.

[halcyon flame]

For me it always is

[analog field]

if you don't gain a DM cast it is a dps loss

With prism it is not so much of a loss, but with lily where you dm without trinket if you don't gain a cast it is surely a loss

[shrewd night]

The fuck u mean, its the best boss of the tier

[static glacier]

frac best boss, me like patchwerk 15 pulls 🙂

[shrewd night]

If you got enough crack to get that high, you have enough to share with the class

[static glacier]

jokes aside I would agree with you

v good boss, controllable with some variation, meaningful hps/dps and mechanics checks and a cool enrage mechanic

and not cringe WA garbage

you saw in real time all the mechanics that seemed unfair become very fair as you learned to do shit like properly stack in platforms, adjusting to star drops and premoving

ngl though some of the p3 star drops felt kinda sketchy

[crude wigeon]

The boss was suffering before doT nerfs

[tawdry halo]

I’m just coping a little with my guild having some trouble making it to platforms

Actually fairly fun boss

Would just like to see more than P1

[shrewd night]

Luckily P1 is the hardest part, once you are through you are through

[static glacier]

depends on quality of healers quite a bit

our r druid is very good at triage and saving individuals

[golden loom]

I had fun all 230+ pulls of NK, banger boss

[red schooner]

Oh hey, you stopped making up fake ability names

Character growth

[normal mist]

This is some chat gpt bullshit

[main bridge]

yeah they got muted for 2 weeks and they're back at it again

literally insane behavior

[normal mist]

Not to worry, next vacations will probably be permanent

[static glacier]

muted for two weeks on this server

jesus

I was drunk and dumb af and I got like 24hr

[normal scarab]

Hello everyone! Could someone advise me if its worth getting hero track raid items if I don't plan to do any mythic raid on the character or should I just spend all 9 dinars on m+ gear when I end up getting resil 12s (not there yet)

[coral ibex]

a 717 prism is sometimes equal to a 730 lily, you should check with a sim

otherwise just buy lily + pace

[normal scarab]

how about soul hunter boots?

i was more thinking about those since there aren't any m+ equivalents

[coral ibex]

sure

[analog field]

Boots for sure and then as bleed said, prism Vs lily and pace Vs antenna

[normal scarab]

sounds good, thanks for the input!

[ocean quiver]

For assassin on nexus, I am using prism trinket and I am using loom trinket with it, should I be using araz trinket with prism so that I can be max stats during burn phase? or do you think it's better to just have the prism + loom trinket instead, don't think simming can do it unless you can

[spice surge]

You can have max stacks on the burn phase regardless

[coral ibex]

use 9 stacks at 1:30

you will have 18 for the burn at 4:30

[ocean quiver]

Yeah true I guess

[grim jay]

Its only insane if they expect a different outcome

[static glacier]

yknow what

ima take the bait 🙂

so uh where are you getting this 60 man stuff from

[severe meadow]

Maybe it's him vs 60 men

[royal lantern]

god i wish that was me

[grim jay]

thats some bonnie blue typa shi

[jolly stirrup]

I checked Soulhunter Logs today, some people play FB cleave

is that really a viable option? I checked casts, and its basically very easy, and they kept rupture up on all bosses, I assume because of energy regen?

Because I struggle with this boss, and I like FB, its easy

[royal lantern]

probs just dont give a fuck about changing talents

[jolly stirrup]

For not giving a fuck about changing talents landing a top 13 log

[royal lantern]

highrolling coinflips with a great killtimer for you goes a long way

[jolly stirrup]

mhm I guess

[fallow canopy]

I rather play bleeds, but I also reckon it has a lot to do with timers too, if you have enough dps to smoke them fast FB could prob be better )?

idk

[jolly stirrup]

mhm

[severe meadow]

I play FB on it because I can’t be fucked to change, it’s fine

[jolly stirrup]

Do you need rup up on all targets?

for energy?

[severe meadow]

Helps a lot

[jolly stirrup]

kk

[severe meadow]

I’ve only done one kill as FB

Since we recleared once

[jolly stirrup]

we start prog today, I will just try

[severe meadow]

Randomly

[flat pier]

Hey lads are we able to Evasion the ghosts on saladking ?

[royal lantern]

......no?

[severe meadow]

No

[flat pier]

https://tenor.com/view/adrian-chase-vigilante-plasticoffsofas-peacemaker-dc-gif-15329640961969215885

[severe meadow]

Just look at them

[flat pier]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-hank-scorpio-why-didn’t-i-think-of-that-gif-16665717301005834823

[severe meadow]

Glad I could help 😎

[flat pier]

Lame was hoping i could just ignore and tunnel boss 😄

[severe meadow]

Idk how youd evasion 3 different sets of ghosts unless you meant just the last set

[flat pier]

yeah just last

[severe meadow]

Just get MC’d and have a Druid save you

Monkey ignore mechanic

[coral ibex]

you mean tunnel the boss when ur cds are over and you'd lose basically nothing to spin and look at ghosts

[flat pier]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-meme-tom-and-jerry-meme-jerry-points-get-a-load-of-this-guy-this-guy-gif-11384860625931393733

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/waynes-world-gif-9423140

[fallow canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1375108617786626138/1382808929045708982/attachment.gif

[severe meadow]

Our ranged would never understand this concept

They have to get that cast

Thank god that fight is finally over

[fallow canopy]

I mean ranged have that shit even easier

They can stand back and have a wider fov

So they dont even move

[severe meadow]

Ranged is who gave us the most problems with ghosts

[flat pier]

Midnight is going to be the classic Frost DK meme for ranged

[fallow canopy]

[coral ibex]

well yea the average ranged player is barely sentient

[severe meadow]

Our melee is some of our better players tbh

[coral ibex]

"dont drop drills in melee" was the hardest prog point on sprocketmonger

[severe meadow]

I didn’t get to finish s2

Guild still got CE tho

Gally was a bit of a joke tho tbh

[flat pier]

We got CE just as it was ending and one guy thought it would be a good idea to be late home from work and missed it 😄

[severe meadow]

We did a bit of a race to world last in s1 due to half our roster quitting half way in

[prime hull]

when the tierset proc bug on loomithar after he goes down and you get 2 deathmarks in amp...

🎰

feels like old outlaw 6 buff

[flat pier]

Holy moly is that thee John warcraft !

[tawny geyser]

Need bit of help. Progging Dimi.
My buddy Rogue has way higher Spatter dmg than me on platforms. What could he be doing differently?
But my Boss damage is way higher than his for example.

[prime hull]

is he sending netherprism on platforms when you arent?

[naive quail]

everyonece in a while, the cooldown of my DM is desynched from my KB... my DM comes up while my KB still has 15 seconds on cd. Fatebound single target build. Am i fucking up my rotation somewhere?

[grim jay]

its a bug

tierset sometimes works too well or not at all

[naive quail]

o thats fun... so far its only on training dummy, does this happen in raid as well?

[prime hull]

yes

but it can be beneficial

[naive quail]

do i just hold DM for KB to come up? or send the DM anyway

[prime hull]

if you have netherprism trinket you can hold KB for DM and send on 1 minute cadence

often it lets you get an extra DM in the fight in

not so useful on last 2 bosses but for first 6 quite nice when it procs

you just have to be aware of the bug and not mindlessly send KB on cd

[naive quail]

sounds good, thank you

[tawny geyser]

We're both sending it

[prime hull]

ok you are casting envenom 16% more but have 50% less spatter thats pretty bad

hes probably positioning a living mass between him and the boss

and not sure about p2 it legit looks like you dropped it or something

need a log for more info

[tawny geyser]

p2 I died

but yeah, could be position. I'll keep testing.

[prime hull]

i mean a death is a big difference

[tawny geyser]

We reached Platform 2 now, this time he died and I didn't. Yet he still did more Caustic.
ffs

[fresh kelp]

your image shows you doing more caustic damage

[fallow canopy]

Clankers be wilding

[haughty flicker]

Wow!

[wise plover]

at this point just link your logs, we cant tell anything from details compare

[balmy condor]

!ban @lost nexus you've been talked to about it, muted twice, and yet we continue this game

[inner glade]

Hey, quick question if I may?
I geared for Sub Rogue, but I feel like I need to change my secondaries to play Sin, given that I am having a clunky time with Sub.

Overall, which % of the secondaries I should aim at?

Picture is my current stats as Sin, and Raidbot does say that I lose 2m dmg from going to Sub to Sin.
I just want an overall idea of the % to aim for, so I can adapt, I do not do high end content, just want to feel like the swap doesn't absolute neuter my DPS.

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

2m?

link the sims

[inner glade]

One second!

[haughty flicker]

that sounds wild

lmao

[tawny geyser]

Got it, I fixed it. I was instantly opening with DM+KB as soon as I land, but I should've waited a bit.
Now my Caustic is through the roof 😄

[balmy condor]

709 is pretty undergeared, losing 2 mil is unheard of, but you like..... don't have 2 mil to lose in the first place

so it's doubly confusing

[haughty flicker]

maybe using a sword offhand

[static glacier]

are your talents ok?

[haughty flicker]

i dont think talents could even do that

unless you just didnt have them at all

[golden loom]

You didnt see my 700k season 2 fatebound build

[prime hull]

does your sub gear use intellect daggers

[haughty flicker]

my no deathmark build wouldve been better with fatebound

[golden loom]

My build broke the sim to only mutilate

[inner glade]

It is a huge drop last time I checked sims. And it has been a while, I may have spoken a wrong number because I only remember the first digit as Sub being 4 and as Sin being 2.

I'm on que on raidbot, give me a sec.

[balmy condor]

you can just send the link to the sims you ran

[inner glade]

I don't have those no longer! Don't really save them, just check and close tabs.

[balmy condor]

the button on the top right

[inner glade]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gydYs62qLYG1iGVfnpcE6Q

Sin ^ M+ Hybrid build

[balmy condor]

has a list of your reports

[inner glade]

Oh, I don't have a login on Raidbot either.

[balmy condor]

okay, we're simming single target with an m+ build

[inner glade]

You are talking with a very casual player here.

[balmy condor]

[inner glade]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oqmL7uasJwDR4TChXdDot8

Sub

Both are the M+ builds.

[balmy condor]

and not a good build either, but that's an aside

oh

well yeh

that'll do it

assa m+ builds do no single target

[haughty flicker]

sub m+ build is almost the exact same as their st build

so 1m makes a lot more sense ye

[golden loom]

Get rid of the static charge belt asap rocky

[inner glade]

I don't have a 710 belt yet, working on it!

[balmy condor]

deathstalker is awful single target, and then you're taking like 6 talents points on assa that do zero single target

[golden loom]

Well more about static charge itself being god awful 😄

[inner glade]

Tbqh, I use that as Sub, I forgot to change to get the quick sims. lol

[golden loom]

Or wait

Static charge is the vers one

[inner glade]

Ye.

[golden loom]

Thought it was the damage bolts one, nevermind

[balmy condor]

gear seems fine though

just low ilvl

just how the balance of the specs is in m+ currently

[storm hedge]

Sub does a lot of single target in it's m+ build. If you sim dungeon slice it's gonna be equal

[inner glade]

Yeah, I don't really do content beyond T11 Delves, truth be told.
But Sin has been much better for Ky'vesa ?? and I feel like if I just swap to a spec that does not feel clunky, I can kill her faster.

[static glacier]

seems it was talents after all

bro picked sin m+

talents

[golden loom]

Yeah I think you deffo wanna get away from Sub for that, shadowdance dropping threat and forcing her onto brann is annoying

[static glacier]

and expected anything other than dogshit kekw

[midnight atlas]

sin is way better for kyveza tru

[static glacier]

maybe now, before I'd argue the other two were better due to defensives

as in pre-season kyveza

[golden loom]

Would recommend just playing the fatebound single target raid build for kyveza tho

[static glacier]

all 3 specs are fine for it though

is there a leaderboard for kill timers on it? I wonder how fast people are downing it now

[inner glade]

Yeeah, but the overall stats are fine? Because I was thinking about swapping the stats of my necklace and I do have rings for Crit/Mast/Haste, drop some Vers, or just craft new Rings with Crit Mast, tbqh.

[static glacier]

I remember it being around 9 mins before

[golden loom]

Ye sin doesnt care much about stats all so dw about that

[haughty flicker]

nah even first week assa could survive kyveza easy

you only take damage during the succ

[static glacier]

it could for sure ye

[haughty flicker]

and you just eat a potion

[static glacier]

but the others were even easier

[haughty flicker]

maybe outlaw i didnt try it

[static glacier]

outlaw NEVER would die if you fucked up potion pickups

[haughty flicker]

but sub was about the same

plus the added benefit of her running off to brann

very fun

[golden loom]

Idk I did 10 pulls on sub and got mad at shadowdance and never did her again

[inner glade]

My best was lower than 40% as Sin, I just can't do the burst sequence right for all the CDs as Sub on her due mechanic pacing.

[midnight atlas]

i popped off with sub burst and then died to a shadow because i was busy getting all gcds in dance. so i swapped sin

[haughty flicker]

ye your damage is kinda irrelevant on that fight, you just focus on mechanics and live

it took me like 11 minutes or some bullshit to kill her

nowadays you could just focus only during cds and afk entirely doing mechanics the rest of the time and still kill faster than that

[golden loom]

Also the thing that made me fully leave was when I vanished in cds and she despawned

[haughty flicker]

ye that was fun

fortunately it didnt happen to me too often

[inner glade]

I do appreciate the answers, btw! 😄

[midnight atlas]

for me daggers were the most annoying mech.
sometimes it was so clear where to run, and sometimes they would spawn on top of me blocking everything

and cheat death barely worked because if you drop below 10% or so she executes you

[haughty flicker]

yeah i just ran elu for the dr on evasion

to help with the succ

probably not needed anymore though

[static glacier]

I personally did it as sin for two reasons; I tried outlaw initially but it reset the boss one pull so I tilted and I didn't have house of cards for sub so I went sin

but im fairly confident assuming playing the actual spec being no issue it would be OL > sub>= sin

[haughty flicker]

i'd agree week one but i think now the spec you choose genuinely does not matter in even the slightest way

its just avoid the one shots

still a hard fight though

i hope kyveza is the standard for nemesis fights going forward

but i doubt that will happen

[inner glade]

As much as I like her fight, I prefer something that is a bit more toned down. At least lenient to the fact you can make a mistake or two tops.

Zekvir still feels the best fight, even if it was janky.

[haughty flicker]

i did not like zekvir

felt like he just stat checked me

but i also kind of cheated, i did it when brann was insanely overtuned and he just murdered the fight in like 2 minutes

[severe meadow]

Zekvir was just

Did Brann feel like kicking or not

for me

[golden loom]

Does brann currently just have a chance to 1 hit kyveza tho

With hatarang

Like in regular delves he just randomly drops a nuke

[haughty flicker]

ive been told it doesnt do the bugged damage in ??

its very funny seeing him just one shot a pack though

the footbomb locker treasure you can get also just completely nukes anything instantly

[golden loom]

Love getting the etheral portal, having 3 bosses and pulling them all at once and brann insta nuking them

[keen spruce]

[grand trail]

that would be insane parse if we had monk buff 😄

the timer was insane

on nexus*

[thick solar]

@sour haven hello

[sour haven]

?

[thick solar]

Hablas español?

[sour haven]

no

[balmy condor]

[haughty flicker]

damn

i was hoping this was one of those times someone joins the discord to talk shit

[fallow canopy]

[vital haven]

doesnt spean spanish yet has felipe as their discord username

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[sour haven]

portuguese

[vital haven]

bro thats like spanish's cousin

you and i can prob have a conversation

[static glacier]

ay when're we getting 2nd dinar item

kinda not logged in since dimmy died

[haughty flicker]

tomorrow

well

reset

[fallow canopy]

time to spend my dinars on xmog like god intended

[static glacier]

im guessing there's catchup right

or are they giving us aids again

[haughty flicker]

You can do the quests for any weeks you missed

[static glacier]

zzzz time to do the ones i've skipped

can even get a myth vault this week too

since we've been on break

[coral ibex]

idk what i would even dinar

have antenna, prism, boots

can you dinar m+ jewelry?

[ripe bobcat]

sub or assa on dimi? what is your suggestion

[buoyant herald]

Do you need platform/add damage? Sub. Otherwise assass is much more boss dam

[ripe bobcat]

we just started prog. so i am not sure.

[buoyant herald]

Shouldn’t be a platform dps issue at this stage though with turbo boost and damage buff for raid

[balmy condor]

there is no damage issue on dimi at all

on prog it's normal to have to hold every phase except the last, and the last phase is already getting the majority of it skipped

the spec you pick is irrelevant for a first kill with this much gear

it's entirely just a mechanics check and making sure people are hitting the right things

play whatever you're most comfortable with

[ripe bobcat]

ok so both are fine. thx. 🙂 appreciate it

[wanton remnant]

are there any good rogue uis? that people use? i kinda just made mine myself

[coral ibex]

there are tons

[wanton remnant]

u got a link to them? or any of them?

[coral ibex]

open twitch

most streamers sell their ui

[wanton remnant]

i like it

[coral ibex]

there are as many uis as there are players

[wanton remnant]

im guessing whispyr has one?

[vital haven]

i love how the rogue is just chlling 100 yards away from the boss lmao

man actual vanilla was a different era

[digital elk]

My favorite part was that groups 7 and 8 don't fit so he just put them somewhere else

[wanton remnant]

lol

[glass moon]

hey guys made a rouge for the first time today - any advice to help me along the way ? ?

[keen spruce]

Start with wowhead guide. Always be pressing something. Uptime is king. Spread bleeds use cds don’t die

👍

[glass moon]

lol thanks for the help

[keen spruce]

[dapper parcel]

Newb question guys. Let's say tank pulls a pack of 10 mobs in a mythic. What is the most efficient way to get rupture and garrote onto all 10 mobs using Carnage? Just hit the primary over and over again with garrote / rupture? Is there a limit to how many mobs I can dot with garrote and rupture or is it just how many times I can apply both in 12 secs?

[cunning needle]

you can tab target if you really want

but it's really not worth

unless its gambit first pull

[granite sentinel]

not too crazy fam
did this in 724 couple of weeks ago

[grand trail]

yeah not having monk buff at all or DH on your platfrom not cool

[granite sentinel]

nexus logs are all about pad on p2 lol

[grand trail]

flexing with private logs

[granite sentinel]

ye cuz this was a boost run

[grand trail]

you would be R1 with over 100K

[granite sentinel]

im already r1 if i open my logs

[haughty flicker]

im r1 in my heart

[grand trail]

hidden by owner

😄

[coral jasper]

Guys why does my sim says its better for me to have 7% haste and 70%+ mastery than 15% haste and 60% mastery in raid

[granite sentinel]

[coral jasper]

Other option seems more optimized in my head

Or im dumb duno

Dif is just 0.5 tho

[granite sentinel]

7-8% haste is enough but always sim yourself sir

[balmy condor]

because your head is dumb and the robot is smarter

that's why other options seem more optimized

[coral jasper]

Okay then

Seems fair

Folow the robot

Lets goooo

[balmy condor]

its one core purpose is to know whether or not a stat is better than another stat

would be pretty sad if it couldn't do its job

[coral jasper]

Fair, fair

Will folow it blindly from now on lol

[haughty flicker]

he just like me fr

[grand trail]

cant wait for beta

nothing to do

[buoyant herald]

🤖 > 👨‍🦰

[static glacier]

no matter what you do thats going to take 4 casts minimum, so you just cast it twice on undotted mobs then reuse them on prio target

[split veldt]

is prism good for keys too? or just raid

[runic hinge]

its good as long as you dont die

[main bridge]

just don't die ez

[split veldt]

lol kk

[dapper parcel]

Thanks Mo. I guess it comes down to how many times I can cast garrote and rupture in 12 secs right? If I can achieve the same number of mobs with those dots by just focusing the main target, wouldn't that be preferred instead of dotting other mobs or am I missing something?

I know I am leaving something on the table. I have an ilvl of 722 and I haven't been able to burst over 24mill on the first pull in Floodgate and I haven't hit over 7mill overall dmg on any mythic. Really need someone to look at my logs and see wtf I'm doing wrong.

[cunning needle]

it's an envenom spec that happens to require maintaining some dots

• whispyr 2025

dont overcomplicate and think dots

the bulk of your damage is from caustic in aoe

like you need want to have every single mob dotted up in a pack

you just need to have the min required to do your rotation

because sure you have IC where your ruptures spread for 12 seconds

but if youre just spreading ruptures and garrotes over th ose 12 seconds

youre not doing any evenom/caustic splatter

which also means youre not consuming your DN

[dapper parcel]

Fair. CT and Spatter are usually my top two dmg numbers, but I still can't figure out why my dmg is so low. Some of it I know is low mob pulls by tanks, but I feel like I'm missing something big in my rotation. Thnx for the response.

[cunning needle]

yeah low mob pull count can be a factor as well

im pretty sure also assi isn't tuned nearly as high as it was last season in m+

[dapper parcel]

Thnx a lot for your input.

[cunning needle]

np

[nimble tartan]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[humble verge]

so

whos buying when the ah mount comes back

[jolly stirrup]

I asked my raid yesterday for AH mount, and suddenly 400€ were on my screen

[humble verge]

not enough

if your whole guild doesnt have it, not good guild

[jolly stirrup]

We raid 2 days a week 2 hours, started prog on Soulhunters yesterday, its true we are not good

Also i stand by it. Fuck that boss

[red schooner]

God no

[humble verge]

itll cost me like

2,8m

if i buy the tokens now

if its gonna be 90 euro

[red schooner]

That'd require me to boost

And absolutely not

[sharp viper]

just get a lucky boe first week (of raid or mythic boe)

(I did not, I'm poor)

[red schooner]

Same. No boes all expansion

It be how it be

[static glacier]

Yes you can just redot a prio target, you effectively lose 1 gar 1 rup if the pack size is 6 mobs you’d end up having to cast dots one extra time if you really cared about having the 6th target dotted (3+3) vs (3+2+2)

Other than that actually do garotte everything

It remains your top builder while there’s undotted mobs and you have IC (subterfuge) active

[static glacier]

All I’d gotten was random normal stuff that’s worthless until last week, myth boe head

[analog field]

i got boe ring 2 days before they became boe

i lost like 5m gold

[static glacier]

And gained a bis ring…right?

[analog field]

it was good

mast vers

but still 5m gold more useful than a ring

[crude wigeon]

I got a boe mythic chest first week and boes were not sellable

Havent Seen one since

[sharp viper]

i only got boe raidfidner cloth boots, worth absolutely nothing

[main bobcat]

Yeah yeah sure buddy

[sharp viper]

our spriest got a haste mastery myth boe ring in the mail, thought he won it from a boss loot roll (don't ask me), equipped it - then realized he fucked up

at least he's still using it

[static glacier]

ngl id rather be in your position, my guild takes boes

and if I would want to keep one for use and not sell I'd still have to buy it from the gbank, for a significant cost reduction

thankfully once prices calm down they stop taking em

[red schooner]

My old guild did a 50/50 gbank player split

[static glacier]

im unsure if they split at all or not, we don't end up giving them for that long, by the time myth boes come out as tradable it's probably 2-3 weeks til we just keep

[cunning needle]

surely you just dont loot trash mobs

and let it go to mail

guild taking boe feels so yucky

[static glacier]

it pays for consumes

personally I don't mind

[shrewd night]

Through selling boes this season we are stronger financially than ever as a guild. Guildies get halfprice off the boe should they want it, and we sponsor all consumables, even the permarune for all raiders.

[red schooner]

Damn, I had to buy my own permarune

Scammed

[normal mist]

change guild

replace that feral druid

[static glacier]

TBH they coulda done the permarurne

but by the time it came out prog was done, I didnt even buy it, got like 30 regular runes and I still have 20 something

idk if I'll bother buying it or not, been using df rune throughout this expac

[shrewd night]

The minmaxer in me had shivers run up the spine

[static glacier]

[indigo sphinx]

Is this an advert so you can steal more of my raiders?

[shrewd night]

The only raider I want to steal is ronkles, and thats because he is fucking handsome

[indigo sphinx]

Good luck trying to steal Ronkles away from me, that boy is full stockholm syndrome

[shrewd night]

Crocodile tears, any mention of "abandoning his homies" and he will be right where I want him. Sending feet pics to stay on my good side.

[indigo sphinx]

Okay in this custody battle you can have his feet then, I'm willing to negotiate

[shrewd night]

@stuck knoll Its settled.

[analog field]

our does too, but we split like 50-50 and if we want to buy we pay 50% to the player that had the drop and 25% to the guild so there is a cut for the guildies to buy the boe

[red schooner]

I already quit raiding so, way ahead of you

[shrewd night]

wtf

Are you a QUITTER?

[stuck knoll]

What dis I do

[shrewd night]

Ruby signed over your feet to me.

[red schooner]

Ye

[indigo sphinx]

[shrewd night]

Damn, I thought you were different

[red schooner]

You thought wrong

[shrewd night]

[grim jay]

Dang, fully immersed in the m+ andy arc, you dont need to hide it

[red schooner]

Jesus fuck no

[grim jay]

Its alright, there is no denying necessary

Its all between us

[red schooner]

Nah its fine I installed lotro instead. Time to live out the hobbit dream

[stuck knoll]

Why is my body being sold without my consent

[shrewd night]

Ayaya, so many responses to that