i got cd bug right at the end but didnt have time to send the dm
#assassination
tawdry halo
coral ibex
our push timers are so fucked
marsh fjord
Wowhead writer confirmed boosted? a 4 parse on dimmy?
runic hinge
gratz king
balmy condor
Wowhead writer confirmed boosted? a 4 parse on dimmy?
4/4
that's 100%
we're so back
oak sky
<:CAUGHT:1202372409215164436>
gz i tuned into your stream for like 2 seconds and saw it was dead
balmy condor
based tbh
thorn thorn
<a:juneNOOOOOa:1125376810637594635>
19% is at least greater than 0% 
marsh fjord
For the people that killed nexus king already im having trouble in platform to get my damage out. would it be worth to skip the evenom and just DM/KB early
coral ibex
i mean i dont even have cds up until halfway thru the platform
so
are you getting autumn?
marsh fjord
No.
im not sure actually.
Let me check hold up
@coral ibex around what time did you guys hit platform?
isnt it around 2:30 ish?
marsh fjord
Because im going over all the wipes we had and i cant find the pull
Whats the add called agian
titan right?
coral ibex
yes
marsh fjord
Can it maybe be that because the logger goes to different platform damage isnt registrated on logs?
marsh fjord
because im looking at 5 pulls above 3 minutes and i see no damage going out
This is all im seeing
fallow canopy
Need to have a logger on your side to be able to see things
marsh fjord
its just missing lol
@coral ibex im not getting autumm i checked. but if i look at previous cooldown timings im like 10 seconds on the platform getting DM. so i can kinda do the evenom i geuss
But i dont know i was getting the lines on the add. i also have to kick the add. was a bit hectic
So just curious how people were doing on that part.
coral ibex
p2 always starts at 2:42
so it will be over 20s before you get cds up
which sucks but it is what it is
tawdry halo
More than enough time to throw out a rupture on the caster add and blast some envenoms into the titan before CDs are up
marsh fjord
p2 always starts at 2:42
When i looked at my log at the other side people were starting to do damage in 2:50
rotund oak
tawdry halo
When i looked at my log at the other side people were starting to do damage in 2...
Platform run and port time?
marsh fjord
Platform run and port time?
yeah probaly
humble verge
p2 always starts at 2:42
well, then youre not holding
we held until the "last" knock all thru progress to have cds for p2.1
marsh fjord
This is nexus king bro
tawdry halo
marsh fjord
We are like 60 pulls into nexus king and i have no idea how people continuously fail the 3 ghost.
maybe its because i did ky'veza delv boss 150 times
coral ibex
xd
coral ibex
just a goofy wipe to end the night
marsh fjord
just a goofy wipe to end the night
atleast your vibes are good bro
marsh fjord
we're on nk
how many pulls
haughty flicker
oh fortunately we are definitely not at that many lmao
marsh fjord
its actually funny if you look at world rankings how many guilds have not killed it yet.
he said i think people will rage quit the guild and the game if we wont kill it tonight
there vibes were really off
tawdry halo
Hopefully they pick up for dimmy
marsh fjord
i doubt it
😄
There biggest issue was that people didnt know what left or right was for the stars
fallow canopy
That one is a classic
coral ibex
dude we get that question
on every left/right mech
and it drives me insane
it is always looking at the mechanic, which is often the boss since the boss does most mechanics, but if the mech is "look at the stars and stand in front of them"
L/R is star-based
coral ibex
one of our raiders has either dbm or bw set to say "melee" instead of "bottom" or "right" for the melee circles on dim
so we have healer left and melee
but when i mention it the answer is "just go to the right spot anyway"
bruh the chat bubble is so fucking obnoxious its hard NOT to use it as a reference
fallow canopy
left facing the boss or facing outside
My left or your left 
coral ibex
are we talking true north left or boss relative
cunning needle
My left or your left <:starege:923197272064426075>
port
nimble tartan
There biggest issue was that people didnt know what left or right was for the st...
bro the weakaura do it for ya
left facing where 
marsh fjord
bro the weakaura do it for ya
Yeah and they still dont know 😄
balmy condor
are we talking true north left or boss relative
Magnetic north make sure to sync your compass weakaura before raid today
cunning needle
time to get the echo of nelth map overlay up again
coral ibex
its always bothered me that wow minimap can't be oriented to north
golden loom
My weakaura says hotter or colder when im moving towards a soak circle
coral ibex
it should have a pic of a guy with the top of his head blowing off from hot steam
bc of how hot you are
when ur in the soak
golden loom
coral ibex
haughty flicker
golden loom
im not looking forward to dimi
I really like dimmy p1 so far personally
We've only gotten to 2nd platform a handful of times (with a lot of deaths) so we dont really optimize cds in p1 yet I think, but that doesnt matter to warrior either way I can just brain off zugzug
fallow canopy
True warrior main zugzug 
golden loom
While the dks might forget to press deaths advance or rogues might shadowstep the boss instead of focus target, charge never fails 
haughty flicker
im sure it'll be ok the first hundred times
im not sure about the second or third hundred though
golden loom
We are 128 pulls in, but probaly 60-70 of those are like 30 seconds long 
Thats the only annoying part personally cause warrior cds do not reset on wipe
golden loom
cunning needle
golden loom
Yeah thing is I use reck/bladestorm every 30 sec
Even tho they are 90 sec cds
So if we wipe before I can get some cdr im sadge
haughty flicker
ive gotten really good at predicting when we're going to wipe so i can just send a sectec and stop hitting boss
for those ez stacks
sometimes i press symbols to get enough energy to cdr sectec back in time to do it
side note cdr is such a dogshit mechanic
i actually hate it on like 90% of classes that use it
haughty flicker
fury probably leans far enough into it for it to feel ok
though i havent played it recently
outlaw also cdr is fine on bc thats the spec
but shit like cdr on dance/sectec or bestial wrath on hunter
just feels shoehorned in
hate it
golden loom
Yeah I can see it
Bladestorm has 2 sources of cdr tho so it legit goes from 90sec cd to 25ish
And without it, M+ slayer would be turbocooked and it would feel weird in raid for sure
cunning needle
ive gotten really good at predicting when we're going to wipe so i can just send...
i save my evasion and cloak so i can tank for long enough to get a sectech off if its mid cd
slim copper
This might be a stupid question.. has deathstalker been nerfed?
i just did heroic soulbinder and only pulled 5.3M at 725 ilvl
my gasts are flabbered
golden loom
i just did heroic soulbinder and only pulled 5.3M at 725 ilvl
Well DS is all about AoE, soulbinder ads, especially on heroic dont live long enough at all anymore this point of the patch
And fatebound is like 20% ahead in singletarget
coral ibex
if you want to get aoe on heroic you have to ignore the adds until they all break out at once
and then you better have your cds
balmy condor
And your raid group also needs to be afk
Or just really bad at the game
But one button rotation on fatebound is more single target than deathstalker at this point with the heads fix
So
proper cosmos
i just did heroic soulbinder and only pulled 5.3M at 725 ilvl
if you are doing Heroic go Fatebound the whole raid, there is no point going DS. Only for Soul Hunters you can go bleed build
cunning needle
i hate this new font bullshit so much
dawn seal
MY NAME IS SO COOL
golden loom
Is it only visible on pc? Looks the same on phone 
indigo mulch
Shhh, don't tell him.
fathom flax
damn we had a 1% wipe haha
golden loom
Oh shit gz on kill whispyr
balmy condor
ty
bronze pike
balmy condor
new discord update
indigo mulch
👍
nova kelp
what in the hell? font?
red schooner
jolly stirrup
I like using emotes everywhere
cunning needle
yeah i just pay for nitro basic
balmy condor
258
subtle tundra
youre officially better than me
balmy condor
we knew this
novel star
my toes are far cuter
so proof or ?
balmy condor
well I would post my feet
but I seem to not be in the discord where my feet reside anymore
due to the hack
novel star
ah
balmy condor
@shrewd night you must rectify this so I may once again post my own feet
novel star
classic foot hacker
i’m feeling ill having this discord open whispyr u gotta hurry with the feet before something bad happens
balmy condor
sharp viper
radiant otter
its always bothered me that wow minimap can't be oriented to north
i can't tell if this is a joke because you've been able to have it either oriented north or rotating to where you're facing since 2004
flat pier
It points towards the north star. Thats why the mini map is jank
You have Illidan Obama to thank for that
halcyon flame
what % of crit and haste is required for fb in raid ?
west crown
what % of crit and haste is required for fb in raid ?
Sim. Value crit a lot
halcyon flame
Sim. Value crit a lot
I simmed ,it says I need more crit and haste ,but how much ? atm my stats are for sub ,31% crit 3% haste 100%mast 25% vers and seeing I cant do that much st as sub ,I wanna help more as assa
plush umbra
just use the sim to compare items. If the sim says an item is better, use that item
west crown
I simmed ,it says I need more crit and haste ,but how much ? atm my stats are fo...
I mean I sit at about 35% crit and it still says it wants more. Haste usually stays under 10% and mastery is definitely where you should cut it from
crisp ibex
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
main bobcat
spice spire
Ty epsilonee
severe meadow
I really like dimmy p1 so far personally
For our first 10 pulls the tank wasn't in the right spot and kept knocking us back off the adds
old obsidian
wut
glacial stump
Fuck yeah
normal mist
Fuck yeah, amazing thumbnail
coral ibex
!dj
prisma monolithBOT
Vanishing On Fatebound
- you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
- this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
- because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
- edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
- you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst
desert vault
is there any exact time to use prism? like before shiv > DM or if you cast it like shiv > DM > KB+CB > Prism is that a big dps loss/gain?
coral ibex
you should prism before any coin flips in cds
bc you want to amp them all
which means prism before DM
i usually shiv-vanish-dm
with prism macro'd into vanish
desert vault
hmm ok, got it
frigid pilot
is coldblood macro bug fixed or am i staying on my lock
grim jay
if thats keeping you away, you should probably stay on your lock
it didnt get fixed and it most likely wont
coral ibex
uhh i mean you can just swap to a deathstalker build first
and then swap to sub
or vice versa
i never get the cb bug if i do that
ocean root
!sheet
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fallow canopy
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
haughty flicker
uhh i mean you can just swap to a deathstalker build first
this is like a 50/50 for me
maybe i swap to sub too fast afterwards or something but it doesnt always work
spice spire
fallow canopy
Embrace onetricking at this point
coral ibex
its true
but if you pick sub ur wrong
sometimes i swap to sub for trash bc blowing up infusers with sub cds feels good
spice surge
but if you pick sub ur wrong
In this case having the wrong opinion is okay
As long as youre not an outlaw onetrick 🤝
wanton remnant
i play ass for raid and outlaw for keys
ocean root
!trinkets
real pike
fallow canopy
Same
pastel roost
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
past bobcat
i usually shiv-vanish-dm
wait i thought we vanish after dm and kb lmao
pastel roost
!vanish
prisma monolithBOT
Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:
- Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
- Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied
As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.
coral ibex
!dj
prisma monolithBOT
Vanishing On Fatebound
- you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
- this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
- because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
- edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
- you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst
coral ibex
if you are using prism, which should be macro'd to vanish, you vanish before any coin flip
to buff them
pastel roost
Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:
- ...
Might be worth to retire this command :p
coral ibex
its a minor optimization
but why wouldn't you want to buff multiple edge case flips with 55k extra agility
pastel roost
its a minor optimization
Just got Prism recentely, that's nice to hear, thanks for the tip
past bobcat
Interesting I had just thought based on wowhead whispyr has it vanishing after
So you can send vanish before
coral ibex
yea if you use any other on use you generally macro to DM
edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
you can vanish before any of these flips
past bobcat
So most if not all peeps use nether so fine to just macro nether to vanish and just vanish before every dm
neat rain
Hey is taking a point out of viscous poison to make it 1/2 and throwing it in iron wires that much of a dps loss that utili on packs that useless?
Or do you guys throw it in as a preference on dungeon i.e. priory
I guess the better question is, is there a better talent to sac to take iron wires? Cause again I think it really comes down to a preference thing
coral ibex
no
there's really no good talent to drop for iron wire
everything is a pretty decent dps loss
honest needle
is fatebound or deathstalker better for m+ now
honest needle
whats best item to get with dinars?
i can only get heroic items for raid and mythic for m+
so wasnt sure what to get first
is prism worth it if i can only get it on heroic
balmy condor
!ban @grave rose spam
thorn thorn
Whispyr stealing all the get rich schemes for himself
honest needle
any ideas?
tawdry halo
Have you used droptimiser?
buoyant herald
You only had to press 3 times as many buttons as him
thorn thorn
3 is a low ball
humble verge
and now i decided to go on my alt
695 with no dagger and no trinket
forgot even to macro in tea
and racial into dm
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
thorn thorn
and now i decided to go on my alt
My goat is washed 🥀
spice spire
🥀
thorn thorn
🥀
split veldt
thorn thorn
Step 1: Uninstall fellowship
Step 2: Install WoW (optional)
Step 3: Open wowhead
Step 4: Transmute Whispyrs words of wisdom directly to your brain
Congrats
You can now play rogue
slim copper
Happy Halloween to all of my American rogue frens who celebrate! ❤️
Finally got to 728 on my rogue. Got a mythic soul hunters kill. Next week I’ll be 729 boys!
humble verge
heh, Nice.
severe meadow
Finally got to 728 on my rogue. Got a mythic soul hunters kill. Next week I’ll ...
pog
Soon you get to start the pain of King prog
waxen oyster
Have you considered spending money on therapy instead.
pliant remnant
He has not
humble verge
Have you considered spending money on therapy instead.
keen spruce
humble verge
yall think guilds seeing me apply to them at 2-3am will make them accept me as a trial even more
severe meadow
Of course, that's real dedication
severe meadow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205267724696031273/1407563922780717130/s...
yoink
thorn thorn
I require payment
severe meadow
I require payment
coral ibex
bit of a crash yea
tormented synapses used to be 50m
now they're 20m
not that im complaining much, ive gotten 2 synapses and 2 zenytes in b2b greater demon and black demon tasks
severe meadow
are those divine super combats
severe meadow
isnt that 92 herb
coral ibex
its up there
severe meadow
thats fair
coral ibex
i take a lot of long breaks lol
haughty flicker
thorn thorn
Ok this is actually the most unhinged one I have received
spice spire
Sup
spice spire
Tryna watch the blue jays win the World Series
fallow canopy
how's that looking?
spice spire
Not good
humble verge
https://tenor.com/view/dog-i-know-what-you-are-peekabu-peek-abu-abu-gif-49542511...
pliant remnant
coral ibex
i only play in private leagues with a specific friend group and they havent decided when they wanna start yet
severe meadow
fair, I got a friend who usually only plays private with some friends
I think he's actually playing hardcore this time around
the speed of these people is insane to me
fallow canopy
me leaving the prison rn
humble verge
these guys are either 6manning or have like 1000 of hours just spent on perfecting their act speedruns
severe meadow
ye they're def 6 manning, still crazy speed tho
humble verge
i know someone personally who does act1 to maps within like 1h30
proven talon
Idk how reliable u.gg is, but has anyone used anything like this, or found success with it for mythic plus? I’m interested if it would make my ST not horrific but not sure if it’s still just not really viable at all
This was a fatebound build
runic hinge
Idk how reliable u.gg is, but has anyone used anything like this, or found succe...
Fatebound hybrid is like 7% better in ST and 24% worse in aoe last I simmed
You also have to have a big target for kb to live on or else you do little damage too
proven talon
Okay, so sounds just heavily situational. And maybe the success with higher level groups comes from planning and cooperation. Thanks @runic hinge!
runic hinge
I’ve played it in streets and it’s okay
keen spruce
I’ve played it in streets and it’s okay
main bobcat
balmy condor
Us
static glacier
I always knew you were a toilet drinker
And yes I know it’s not a toilet
But u toilet drinker
main bobcat
I always knew you were a toilet drinker
The lion does not lose sleep over the opinion of an egyptian
static glacier
The lion does not lose sleep over the opinion of an egyptian
Get outa here, tiny kitten lookin ass
humble verge
humble verge
oh
theres new trade post stuff
novemba 1st
man
the trade post this month kinda cooked
if u get my pun
royal lantern
normal mist
if u get my pun
that was such a great cooked pun
humble verge
that was such a great cooked pun
unreal mist
Hi everyone! I'm kinda new to the game, been playing for a couple of month now, I wanted to ask a couple of questions about Assassination Rogue stats, what to prioritize and roughly how much of any stat I should have more or less, is there anyone willing to give me some suggestions?
iron carbon
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
iron carbon
And welcome
unreal mist
Thanks a lot!
SO there aren't any break points to consider or any must have of any stats?
royal lantern
breakpoints or something like that havent existed in the game since like
cataclysm was over?
and even back then it was mostly just lack of information/knowledge tbh 
unreal mist
Forgive if my question might sound dumb, I started literally playing 2 month ago
royal lantern
eh, its a common missunderstanding
people love to overvalue secondarys and think way too much about them
unreal mist
I mean WoW in general, not just Rogue
royal lantern
ye, thats kinda true for wow in general
unreal mist
No no, I meant that I started playing WoW 2 month ago, non just playing rogue
royal lantern
outside of trinkets (cus trinkets are special) and rings/necks (cus they dont have mainstat), higher ilvl is basically always better because it gives more mainstat
unreal mist
Yeah sure
royal lantern
secondarys only really play a role when its 2 items at a equal ilvl
unreal mist
Yeah that's my case, I am max level at the moment, I just need to re-arrange stats in the best way
And simms didn't help me much tbh
unreal mist
Because the difference was veeery minor for the different rings I could to swap
royal lantern
if the difference is in the 0,3% range or lower, its withing the margin of error and can be ignored
unreal mist
But my point was more about wanted to know if I should have more of a certain stat over another...I looked upon top rank rogues and saw that my stats are very different
Like, I see I almost don't have any Haste or Versa compared to them
royal lantern
and ye, its normal that swapping rings around will no really result in any bigger differences because, well, secondarys just kinda really matter that much in the grand scheme 
unreal mist
I think I have too much Mastery and Crit, that's the reason behind my question
royal lantern
Like, I see I almost don't have any Haste or Versa compared to them
you gotta remember that people just kinda use what they have avaible
unreal mist
Sure. true as well
royal lantern
like, you cant force specific drops on the highest ilvl when its stuff like m+ vault items
gotta use what you have avaible
and sim that
unreal mist
But since I have a few option at the moment (a couple of different Necks and like 8 rings) I wanted to see if there was a certain amount for each stat to at least have
royal lantern
nah
its also just that assa is a spec that is even more funny in that regard because it kinda likes all secondarys
unreal mist
So you suggest to just simm everything and whatever comes out the best, use that?
royal lantern
So you suggest to just simm everything and whatever comes out the best, use that...
ye
topgear is your best friend
99,9% of gearing is solved by just using it
unreal mist
And I learned that I should run 2 different sims for aoe and single target, right?
royal lantern
if you wanna minmax your gear for raid, you go 5min patchwerk
if its for m+, dungeonslice
eager ibex
Can someone who can pass feedback to Blizzard about assa in Midnight just tell them to add poison bomb as an on use ability (maybe a spender, 40 sec cd, idk) just imagine survival hunters new molotov bomb but change it to green and make it look cool, midnight rogue still has boring VFX
Ty much preesh
I want a ret paladin fury warrior moment where i can just blast a button to do effective damage on a pack of mobs without having to apply bleeds to diff targets annoyingly then rely on rng poison bomb proc after building 5cp
coral ibex
go play those specs
eager ibex
(Feedback from a player who quit in season 1 war within cos disappointed with rogue gameplay and hero talents being very boring)
coral ibex
why should assa be like them
runic hinge
Idk if assa needs a “do instant aoe button”
Also maybe read the midnight changes if you’re worried about spreading bleeds still
eager ibex
I read them
runic hinge
So you know it’s easier than ever to spread!
eager ibex
Still sounds boring pressing crimson tempest to spread bleeds to random targets nearby
coral ibex
if you want assa to play like a different class just go play that class
runic hinge
Maybe Assa isn’t for you then lol
eager ibex
What i want is rogue to have better VFX and thematics around poisons, what is the problem with having an aoe poison bomb on demand?
pliant remnant
Can someone who can pass feedback to Blizzard about assa in Midnight just tell t...
No
runic hinge
What i want is rogue to have better VFX and thematics around poisons, what is th...
blizzard is trying to trim buttons and moment to moment decision making and you want them to add a button?
coral ibex
you literally get a big aoe on every envenom
severe meadow
Only button they need to add is a button that lets me move mark without it being cringe
runic hinge
bring back MFD
eager ibex
Caustic spatter needs a visual upgrade tbh
severe meadow
Marked for death would make sense, yeah
scarlet orbit
Caustic spatter needs a visual upgrade tbh
Not sure about that. I already dislike the poison bomb visuals which sometimes is above stuff i would like to see to not need to guess where i would die
eager ibex
Like a little poison vial above targets head or something
severe meadow
Why do you need that tho
eager ibex
Bring back death from above, i need to feel something again
severe meadow
Yeah I love my screen clutter immersion
eager ibex
Some people enjoy theme and visuals?
scarlet orbit
So for example you think deathstalker mark is a bit better because it has a animation above the target yea nearly never see?
eager ibex
No i think ds mark is boring as a hero talent, part of why i quit at the start of tww
They missed the mark completely
scarlet orbit
Yea our here talents are not the best ones. I completly agree with that
fallen charm
I just want the "nothing" option added to the "other people's spell effects" config
severe meadow
On god
eager ibex
Plain chicken and rice typa mf's
scarlet orbit
I just want the "nothing" option added to the "other people's spell effects" con...
Who doesnt want to get flashbanged by a (old) warrior spear
fallen charm
I just think dk's remorseless winter and the augmentation upheaval are not "essential" to my gameplay
Thank god augmentation is dead and 6 ft under
scarlet orbit
Melee is already so cluttered that big animations just makes sometimes more a guessing where stuff is then really knowing.
fallen charm
Ffxiv has an option to turn everyone else's vfx off
Otherwise they would play like this
scarlet orbit
That would be a very good option to have also in wow
severe meadow
You’d think, huh?
scarlet orbit
Tbh not sure how i would live without seeing 19 other persons spells on a raid fight. Would probably go insane to stare into so much free space
dapper parcel
Sooooo in the 80's on raids, but wanna be parsing 90's in raids and dungeons . Any recommendations on a coach that can look at some logs / vids and give me some pointers to get over the hump? Thanks.
normal mist
Do more damage
honest flower
Have good coin flips, desync and have good kill times
As assa fast kills aren't that important. I often have 95+ parses on 7 min myth kills. Understanding the prio list and understanding whispyrs wowhead guide is...
severe meadow
As assa fast kills aren't that important. I often have 95+ parses on 7 min myth ...
what is taking you 7 minutes to kill outside of the last 2 bosses
honest flower
what is taking you 7 minutes to kill outside of the last 2 bosses
I raid very casually. Most of my raid parses gray. We need 7 min on 2nd and 4th and 6 on 3rd. Friends > progress imho
normal mist
Good parses = good padding + killing bosses during cds
Imagine killing a boss with 20s left for DM
severe meadow
Padding on Araz is deadge and Soulbinder is cooked
Unless your raid is afk
King has some good pad if you're ripping dick on platforms
buoyant herald
Just go for boss damage parses now it’s the only way
royal lantern
Otherwise they would play like this
getting flashbanged by a Red Mage LB3 is mandatory ok?????
humble verge
im conflicted
royal lantern
hello confilcted
pliant remnant
hella washed
south tendon
Hi, short question: How is the optimal use for Netherprism?
coral ibex
macro to vanish and use as a 3m cd
humble verge
hella washed
thorn thorn
Idk if assa needs a “do instant aoe button”
My favorite type of discussion when it comes to class changes are always these kinds
"This spec should be able to do this because these specs can do it"
"Then go play those specs"
"But I want to play this one"
waxen oyster
Plain chicken and rice typa mf's
you probably think jalapenos are spicy
royal lantern
"This spec should be able to do this because these specs can do it"
"Then go pl...
and like
envenom literally IS a "do aoe dmg and cleave now" button in midnight
thorn thorn
OP wanted something that looked more interesting visually
Poison bomb very well known for how good it looks visually
runic hinge
Love when it covers mechanics
runic hinge
Dying in TOTT cause I can’t see shit was awesome
thorn thorn
Very true
waxen oyster
when run 20 they found out where their kick keybind is
thorn thorn
Our mechanics are "dont be in the circle" or "dont touch the line"
Very hard gameplay
thorn thorn
when run 20 they found out where their kick keybind is
Our warrior player quite literally tab targets to kick
And I dont mean what you are probably expecting
Pressing tab until its the target they wanna kick
They literally hit tab once and instantly kick and hope its the right target
thorn thorn
Too much work apparently
waxen oyster
or how a bm player can type
a paragraph
mid combat
tell me how hard your spec is;
thorn thorn
Gotta work hard for those black arrow procs
waxen oyster
also
anyone that plays a female elf in one of those magical girl outfits
with no shoes
deserves 0 respect
runic hinge
They literally hit tab once and instantly kick and hope its the right target
That’s me
thorn thorn
I will find u
royal lantern
And I dont mean what you are probably expecting
man
i was about to say "but tab targeting goes on enemys that are casting?"
then i saw the rest
thorn thorn
Ya at first I thought it was a joke
But then I saw them stream their gameplay
And that is quite literally what happens
fallow canopy
honestly based
tidal hatch
deserves 0 respect
insane work with the anime pfp and discord banner
degens a degen theres no shades of grey here
royal lantern
i respect your hater energy
waxen oyster
i respect your hater energy
everytime dinars come out
the m+ andys cry about their handouts
tidal hatch
lots of them
once you cross the line of being a little too passionate about literally almost anything you have entered the degen zone and shall be written off entirely as a human
tidal hatch
also maybe applies to me because im in wow class discords and like sleep token a lot
waxen oyster
once you cross the line of being a little too passionate about literally almost ...
You have a kyrasis dickrider server tag and judging discord profile choices
thats a choice
thorn thorn
If you are seeing this on the wow subreddit or wowhead coments then you invalidate your own arguments tbh
The IQ in those 2 places is the lowest among humanity
tidal hatch
You have a kyrasis dickrider server tag and judging discord profile choices
the archerus bdks are just wrong about shit
waxen oyster
If you are seeing this on the wow subreddit or wowhead coments then you invalida...
seeing what
tidal hatch
but dw i already included myself before you pointed that out
tidal hatch
i dont watch twitch
i think the only people who can sit and watch twitch streams are like the matrix npcs there to fill in the world and make it seem real
thorn thorn
What an interesting specimen we have here
tidal hatch
im a universal hater
thorn thorn
You must be a lot of fun to be around
tidal hatch
i mean you work a job presumably and hopefully have a social life of some kind
youre gonna spend an hour watching some dude do keys in real time
waxen oyster
i mean yoda i swear has created such a dented population of tanks
tidal hatch
maybe have him say hi to you in chat and feel good abt that or something
thorn thorn
Its not just yoda
tidal hatch
just doesnt make sense
thorn thorn
Do you watch sports
tidal hatch
yes
thorn thorn
Im surprised actually
Given you have the personality of a wet napkin so far
But the premise is the same
Why watch sports when you could just play it
Why watch keys when you could do keys
waxen oyster
idk i dont do either
tidal hatch
well you see i dont really get together with the boys and have steaks and beers and place bets on wether or not yoda times a 21
so
apples to oranges really
tidal hatch
<:dracthyr_comfy_sip:1002321837843283989>
idk how to link a post while replying to something but literally my very next message was including myself
thorn thorn
its like old men who bet on horse racing
Do people really still do that in 2025
tidal hatch
self loathing is the cost of entry to being a millenial pointing out that i also must hate myself doesnt mean i dont hate weebs or twitch viewers or whatever
thorn thorn
Im sure it runs very deep friend
tidal hatch
not so much anymore
waxen oyster
Do people really still do that in 2025
idk we still play wow
waxen oyster
i feel wow already ranks higher
royal lantern
Do people really still do that in 2025
gambling and betting culture got bigger over the last decade
waxen oyster
on scale of socially uncool things
royal lantern
waxen oyster
to do
thorn thorn
Its not even something you feel
tidal hatch
gambling and betting culture got bigger over the last decade
probably has something to do with 90% of ads during sports being sports betting ads
thorn thorn
If you tell people you know in person that you play wow they will instantly think less of you as a person
tidal hatch
honestly even making 6k in a week id rather sports betting just be illegal
thorn thorn
(Assuming they didnt already know)
tidal hatch
If you tell people you know in person that you play wow they will instantly thin...
i dont feel like this is true anymore
jb used to play wow literally in a closet because he was afraid people would find out he played wow
tidal hatch
but w the classic boom and just wow being around so long mostly anyone who identifies as a "gamer" has tried wow
haughty flicker
I don't think most people who don't play wow would have any strong opinion whatsoever if you told them you play wow lmao
tidal hatch
i play on dead realms because realms dont matter anymore and i want cool names
waxen oyster
If you tell people you know in person that you play wow they will instantly thin...
yeah like what i think of vapers
haughty flicker
i play on dead realms because realms dont matter anymore and i want cool names
Ngl I've been thinking about doing this
tidal hatch
me with stoners
haughty flicker
Just do guild orders for crafting and chill on a low pop server without it perma being down
And get my name back
thorn thorn
Ngl I've been thinking about doing this
Uldaman pretty good place to get hunter pets
Server is actually dead as fuck
You will see like 2 or 3 people in dornogal at most
haughty flicker
tidal hatch
all of that being said if i meet someone irl and they have the gall to admit to being a league of legends player
i do think less of them immediately
thorn thorn
I moved to A52 to join a (at the time) friends guild and it was the worst mistake i have ever made
tidal hatch
a52 is the least cringe of the mega servers
tich is like almost 100% douchebag chance, illidan is high 70s for sure
thorn thorn
Just dont admit to being a mage player
cuz they i will unironically think less of you
tidal hatch
im a career disc priest
this szn was the first time i branched out into bdk and sin
well i was a sin when they called it muti but i was also 12 years old and switched to priest from cata onward
waxen oyster
I moved to A52 to join a (at the time) friends guild and it was the worst mistak...
it fucking sucks on launches
malganis infinitely better
thorn thorn
im aware
Its bad enough that I cant play on launch day
The lag is actually just insanely bad
haughty flicker
its always fun whenever a52 goes down and you look and its the only server down
maybe i go back to skywall after all these years
problem is im illogically attached to my characters despite most of them being literally no different from one i'd just level or boost on another server
runic hinge
problem is im illogically attached to my characters despite most of them being l...
Remix is up time to level
haughty flicker
it would be a good time to do it yeah
runic hinge
I too am illogically attached to my characters tho so I get it
frigid pilot
Why is sin rising in raid overall? Dinar?
thorn thorn
I am too attached to my characters and too lazy to change servers
coral ibex
Why is sin rising in raid overall? Dinar?
i was going to type out an answer but your exact question has been answered in this channel at least 20 times in the last 3 weeks
aoe doesnt matter, raid is nerfed, assa always did good ST
there, i did anyway
frigid pilot
i was going to type out an answer but your exact question has been answered in t...
Good thing I didn’t read all the messages from everyone else in the last 3 weeks
pliant remnant
haughty flicker
nvm name is taken gg
runic hinge
Good thing I didn’t read all the messages from everyone else in the last 3 weeks
You could tho
thorn thorn
00%
thorn thorn
fallow canopy
problem is im illogically attached to my characters despite most of them being l...
Kinda the same, and even tho my sv has bad rep i dont pug much and i cba paying for a server change
fallow canopy
<:xalcat:1283927554431910000>
humble verge
60% in 1:48, 5% in 5:11?
but if it's 60% in 1:48, shouldn't it die in 3:20?
maths?
now to 1 shot
soulhunter
3 clients
zinc vale
waxen oyster
Why is sin rising in raid overall? Dinar?
Rising on a useless metric of wowhead article clickbait?
bosses die faster with uncap who didnt have their gear pre dinar
thorn thorn
Rising on a useless metric of wowhead article clickbait?
Another one is claimed by clickbait
waxen oyster
to me its crazy people will so confidently talk about needing to play a “meta” spec in raid
and proceed not to understand why its meta
thorn thorn
That mindset isnt exclusive to wow
waxen oyster
Like you have to understand why sub is good on later bosses
thorn thorn
And part of the reason I was seriously toying with the idea on making a video essay about mimicry in communities and how it impacts people
waxen oyster
when people had 15 less ilvl and no raid buff
thorn thorn
But doing such requires credibility which I do not have
thorn thorn
what is atp
waxen oyster
at this point
waxen oyster
i consider acc mythic the difficulty rwf has to deal with
thorn thorn
I would like a Mythic+ difficulty for raid that is just the rwf difficulty with no renown buffs
waxen oyster
I would like a Mythic+ difficulty for raid that is just the rwf difficulty with ...
would likely kill alot of guilds
idk people get egos hurt
thorn thorn
Aint no likely about it, it will kill a lot of guilds 
waxen oyster
when they get reality checked
i dont quite get the psyche of it
how wall bosses kill guilds
thorn thorn
What happened in my guild that I was with when I tried to mythic raid, and what im guessing happens a lot
Is that tension grows due to desparity in skill, or peoples attitudes
And it just churns on a wall boss slowly until it eventually boils over
People have crashouts
People get gkicked, officers leave
People quit the game
coral ibex
nothing kills raid vibes faster than half the group getting bored and antsy because the other half hasn't figured it out yet
thorn thorn
For me what killed it was the massive delta in capabilities between healers
slim copper
real question here. On mythic Dimmy, is sin viable despite the living mass adds?
waxen oyster
Depends on your guild
slim copper
do we run FB with CS or?
thorn thorn
We had 2 healers that were cosmetic and 2 that were actually capable, and when they started going at it, the guild essentially cut itself in half picking sides before eventually exploding itself
slim copper
which one is it that shows cds for fights? lorrgs or something right?
waxen oyster
unless they constantly fuck up
thorn thorn
I was healing that season and I was really feeling how fucking useless 2 of them were
One of them was an rsham
That had single digit cast efficiency on their major healing cds
They would only use 1 every pull
If at all
They once went 6 pulls in a row without pressing ascendance once
coral ibex
diabolical
coral ibex
the rsham in my raid is pretty chill
thorn thorn
I did not have a good time that season
coral ibex
he pressed a single dps button in our dim kill
thorn thorn
That experience was miserable enough I have zero motivation to commit to it again
royal lantern
That had single digit cast efficiency on their major healing cds
our MW monk complains for 2 tiers now that he NEEDS innervate from the balance and guardian druid or he is always oom
one day our RL checked casts
mana tea used 0 to 1 on average on each fight
the same guy also always says that he doesnt trust the monk discord because "their builds are wrong" btw
wanton remnant
so should i have all my gear be crit/mastery for assasin? im using this add on true value stats and it tells me when im over crit or mastery or whatever secondary stats. so ive been putting stats into like versatility for some survivability.
is that wrong?
royal lantern
so should i have all my gear be crit/mastery for assasin? im using this add on t...
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
slim copper
so we save cloak for the second devour it seems like, do we hold it for any other instance or just whenever?
runic hinge
do as the clanker provides
thorn thorn
our MW monk complains for 2 tiers now that he NEEDS innervate from the balance a...
MW is close (2/3rds) to arcane in mana generation
They are coping if they say they need innervate lol
royal lantern
They are coping if they say they need innervate lol
well yeha
if you press mana tea
which he didnt do
coral ibex
so should i have all my gear be crit/mastery for assasin? im using this add on t...
i have no idea what that addon thinks its doing
i doubt anyone in this community recommended it
sim your character via raidbots topgear and equip the highest result
do this any time you get new gear
wanton remnant
i have no idea what that addon thinks its doing
ive mostly just re done like gems. i can prolly get some insane cirt and mastery stats
right now im at like 46% crit and 66% mastery i think
waxen oyster
all for like 2k dps
coral ibex
stats dont matter, they're fake for assa
humble verge
slim copper
am i stupid or are the people getting 30s KB cds just getting buggy procs?
coral ibex
its the tier set bug
wanton remnant
everything is just vers with a modifier on it
i ran a top gear earlier and it didnt say to change anything
slim copper
ok thought so
coral ibex
i ran a top gear earlier and it didnt say to change anything
no need to change anything then
even if an addon says you have too much of some stats
if the sim says its the highest output result, you equip it
wanton remnant
no need to change anything then
word. thank you
waxen oyster
people still not 729?
wanton remnant
people still not 729?
im like 727.43
coral ibex
you can basically just equip ilvl until ur 729 and then worry about stat opti
waxen oyster
even then
coral ibex
more stats is almost always best
waxen oyster
it barely matters
i think theres minor opti since whispyr’s simc profile is like 6.1
coral ibex
and even at 729 i end up with like 10k vers and 8k haste
slim copper
for dimmy, i dont have a prism but i have a myth track lily. That should suffice right?
waxen oyster
and mine is only like 6.08
wanton remnant
im most likely going to be stuck at almost 728 or at 728 since i didnt get the myth soul hunters kill
coral ibex
for dimmy, i dont have a prism but i have a myth track lily. That should suffice...
yes lily is fine
slim copper
ty
wanton remnant
sec ill post mine
coral ibex
the specific numbers dont matter, im just pointing out that you will end up with some vers and haste too
i have a crit/haste neck and vers/mastery ring
and nothing else sims higher
most full re-gem sims are within margin of error too
wanton remnant
haughty flicker
speed gaming
wanton remnant
lol
wanton remnant
dont feel like trying to get the tank to let me stealth lolz
and i refuse to play sub
waxen oyster
dont feel like trying to get the tank to let me stealth lolz
matters for outlaw more
dark hornet
how are all the top logs on assassination for soulbinder playing fatebound?
tawdry halo
how are all the top logs on assassination for soulbinder playing fatebound?
Adds last about .2 seconds
Deathstalker is way worse on Pure ST
west gyro
its a st boss nowadays
waxen oyster
most full re-gem sims are within margin of error too
ring twins
coral ibex
ring twins
LGA has been carrying my crit for 10 weeks
got it on our first plexus kill
waxen oyster
got mine early
hearty coral
guys you would say we are a dot class like aff warlock?
storm forum
Probably? We don't have the spread cleave benefits that ranged DoT specs have, but our DoTs are core to our game play in the sense that they're integral to our resource loop and are a prerequisite for our CDs to do anything like the ranged DoT classes.
hearty coral
Unlike a proper dot class we have envenom which is a big number skill i believe
storm forum
I mean, aff and boomie are like that too tbh, their spenders aren't DoTs but requires their DoTs to be up to be useful
hearty coral
Envenom and mutilate sound are the main reason why i love assa
haughty flicker
Unlike a proper dot class we have envenom which is a big number skill i believe
Basically every dot class is like this nowadays
Boomkin dots exist just to fuel mastery damage, aff dots exist just to fuel spenders
storm forum
Aff are getting a DoT as their spender back in midnight though so I guess that's nice
hearty coral
So sub is more like a bursty spec and outlaw is like a fast phased spec with buttom smashing like fury?
haughty flicker
Pretty much
haughty flicker
Assa also bursty but sub is on another level
humble verge
storm forum
I miss assa CDs being fake
hearty coral
What you guys love from assa? Or rogue in general? And why is the 2nd least played class in game?
haughty flicker
I liked stealthing next to rares in warmode and ganking people in bfa
And now I'm stuck here
storm forum
I liked open world stealth too for questing and pvp (used to be on a pvp server) and I love debuff management(I'm a priest/druid player when my guild doesn't need a rogue)
storm forum
>being fake
Like in BfA, iirc our DoTs were way stronger compared to env so toxic blade wasn't that important and vendetta was only +20%ish
I was such a noob and taking heavy meds that fucked with my memory so don't quote me on that, but I remember getting purple parses with like <85% uptime doing mechanics and only keeping DoTs up
onyx crane
I just like the specc I am horrible at the game tho
royal lantern
Unlike a proper dot class we have envenom which is a big number skill i believe
i mean, "proper dot specs" just dont really exist
because "apply dots and then do kinda nothing while your dots do the far majority of your dmg" is just not really a playstyle that works in the modern game
assa/affliction/feral/shadow priest are basically what DoT Spec in WoW means
thorn thorn
The decision to exclude boomie from that list is very based
royal lantern
the DoT are a bigger part of your Kit, but not your end-all main dmg
royal lantern
The decision to exclude boomie from that list is very based
i dont count boomkins as people
royal lantern
cuz the are owls, right...
haughty flicker
they deserved it
haughty flicker
i wish i had that gif from dragonflight
of the imp running off and pulling the whole dungeon
thorn thorn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422984915607359650/1431729922522742804/i...
How did aug not manage to be in please uninstall
main bridge
nobody plays it so they probably didn't even think about it
haughty flicker
druids hate nothing more than other druids
thorn thorn
druids hate nothing more than other druids
This applies to augs btw
royal lantern
How did aug not manage to be in please uninstall
we try to forget that this mistake exists
onyx crane
demo is more of a dot spec than aff
Dustruction of Teammates=Demo
onyx crane
time to get brann to 100
I tried to kill Ky'veza but I am old and slow and cannot turn my char fast enough :C
humble verge
I tried to kill Ky'veza but I am old and slow and cannot turn my char fast enoug...
it do be like that
thorn thorn
I tried to kill Ky'veza but I am old and slow and cannot turn my char fast enoug...
This si when you ask the homie uber for boosting coaching
humble verge
This si when you ask the homie uber for ~~boosting~~ coaching
just turn around mate
ya fookin ding caunt
thorn thorn
I know you are a good Samaritan uber and will help a person in need
haughty flicker
yeah hes a great guy
he even said hes gonna send me 600k so i can buy a couple wow tokens
thorn thorn
What a nice guy
humble verge
humble verge
he even said hes gonna send me 600k so i can buy a couple wow tokens
already made bank today
fallow canopy
so that's the 600k you are giving bel no?
thorn thorn
The payment is you gotta send him your xalatoes
humble verge
so that's the 600k you are giving bel no?
cant really send him my gold from EU to NA
since he said 2 tokens for 600k
haughty flicker
humble verge
wait
wtf has happened to korean token prices
they used to be as high as EU
now they are half
taiwanese ones are insane tho
fallow canopy
cant really send him my gold from EU to NA
where there's a will there's a way
humble verge
where there's a will there's a way
past bobcat
!fuu
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