assassination

[knotty vapor]

that was some kinda PTSD response

idk what made us bad then

[humble verge]

man

[knotty vapor]

but it was irredeemably bad

[humble verge]

im sad i didnt even get to prog Avatar in ToS

[knotty vapor]

yeah we fell apart at the big statue lady

[humble verge]

we just kept reclearing to Maiden and then took a vacation until next week

[balmy condor]

wtf is intent

[knotty vapor]

one of two guilds on kj that actually does something

i swear u were in it?

[balmy condor]

No

[knotty vapor]

wtf

[thorn thorn]

Who is gaslighting who

[knotty vapor]

who tf am i thinking of

[balmy condor]

I’m in an A52 guild and have been since sanctum of domination

[thorn thorn]

Based A52 player

[balmy condor]

I’m on KJ

A52 is dogshit

[thorn thorn]

[knotty vapor]

i may be experiencing some form of transient global amnesia

[thorn thorn]

I cant even lie it is

[stuck knoll]

Woah woah woah

[marble hemlock]

in raid it was solid singletarget DPS, in m+ you were a boss-kill slave and if you procced a bunch of bombs, you were doing decent AoE, but nowhere near close to what boomie or ww were able to pump out

[thorn thorn]

I was pulled to it from hellscream and its been nothing but drama and stupid shit in every A52 guild I have been in

[stuck knoll]

I don't actually think I had anything to do with this one

[marble hemlock]

ronkles tried to raidlead on ansurek and it just kinda killed the guild, wcyd

[humble verge]

watafakk is this Cyphix guy doing, only running 1 crafted

[stuck knoll]

[thorn thorn]

And only reason im still on A52 is because im too lazy to transfer them all over or make new characters

[humble verge]

u be profen?

[stuck knoll]

Look I didn't know that when I started using this name

[hearty coral]

I really enjoyed garrosh boss from sactum

[stuck knoll]

I be profen

[humble verge]

well

[balmy condor]

Irish, what can you do

[humble verge]

its not directly

youd have to make it

Ronkley to Ronke

[stuck knoll]

False I didn't raidlead on Gally and that's what really killed it

If I'd simply saved Crushers mental

[hearty coral]

Outlaw still a rng class right? Like you need the correct dices to pump?

[balmy condor]

I mean, yes, but not because of dice

And it’s also not much more rng than other specs

Other specs just hide it better

People just hear “dice roll” and “react to procs” and just naturally assume it’s giga uber rng

[thorn thorn]

I love rng in my spec yummy

[balmy condor]

Same way people hear “coin flip” on fatebound and lose their shit

[stark matrix]

I love not getting a coup proc in my opener on sub

[balmy condor]

Even though fatebound and deathstalker are basically equivalent in terms of rng

Deathstalker is very slightly higher technically

But ya know

[marble hemlock]

the real rng is the friends you make along the way

[balmy condor]

So you’re my real rng?

[marble hemlock]

idk

if you play deathstalker, sure. if you play FB, thats more of an opp material

[stark matrix]

at least I'm free from sub jail

never again

[marble hemlock]

bedge time, finally no more heartburn/stomach pain

[thorn thorn]

What is the most rng spec then

[coral ibex]

ele?

[severe meadow]

Rogue bc it’s rng if you get invited or not

[stark matrix]

aug

imagine getting invited as aug

[thorn thorn]

All of these are very based answers

[stark matrix]

[stuck knoll]

I think it's hunter

both BM and MM

When they play Dark Ranger

[haughty flicker]

dark ranger is insane gamba

[stark matrix]

arms has a good amount

tbh

[thorn thorn]

I was gonna say mm

Cuz black arrow slot machine

[stark matrix]

you either high roll exe procs whole fight or you don't

[haughty flicker]

i think mm is insanely far ahead

[stuck knoll]

no like it actually is dark ranger hunter

[haughty flicker]

then bm behind it but still far ahead of everyone else

[stuck knoll]

No spec comes close to the variance

[haughty flicker]

bm at least gets some more free ba procs

[marble hemlock]

imagine playing dark ranger with netherprism and then you die before the big pull

and lose tier stacks and trinket stacks

[haughty flicker]

[stuck knoll]

Don't have to whenever that happens they make an interesting noise on discord

[balmy condor]

Imagine playing world of warcraft when Maplestory is releasing a bunny warrior with a big fucking dragon that slices the moon in half

[haughty flicker]

looks about right

[haughty flicker]

REAL

https://tenor.com/view/len-ren-maplestory-origin-6th-job-gif-13787762428143550476

[balmy condor]

It’s just so peak

[buoyant herald]

Are we just fucking up the moon for fun now

[marble hemlock]

i thought its maplestory

or is it PEAK

which one is it

[buoyant herald]

Do you have any idea of the repercussions?

MY TIDES

[hearty coral]

Never played outlaw before ive been told is like fury for warriors? A very fast phased gameplay with tons of buttons to smash? Is true?

[stuck knoll]

Yeah

It's a bit more complicated generally

but I'd say they are the closest comparison to each other

[marble hemlock]

pretty similar to fury imo

[hearty coral]

And sub is more like preparing everything and line up cds to make it work

[marble hemlock]

cause both fury and outlaw are considered lepers among their class

[haughty flicker]

[stuck knoll]

@ me next time

[hearty coral]

I need to start playing the other two specs

[haughty flicker]

well

[hearty coral]

Since im not maining nothing else anymore

[haughty flicker]

maybe just sub

[hearty coral]

I will stick with rogue till my death

I have 3 specs to pick and have fun with

[humble verge]

gonna actually try

[tawdry halo]

just play sub and assa

[humble verge]

forge in a key

over prism

so its fine if i die

[tawdry halo]

Just don't don't die

[tawdry halo]

gearing for outlaw is like the opposite of gearing for sub + you need at least one 1H weap

[haughty flicker]

its ok both will have their haste tax in midnight

[tawdry halo]

[hearty coral]

Ye right cause out uses swords and axes

And honestly being a pirate is like gay

[tawdry halo]

woah woah woah

[coral ibex]

we dont speak that way here

[hearty coral]

XD

[coral ibex]

not xd

[severe meadow]

[hearty coral]

I should apologize?

[coral ibex]

yes

[tawdry halo]

yes

[severe meadow]

yes

[fallow canopy]

yes

[balmy condor]

Okay this going to be insanely who asked but I asked because I thought about this

Before the most recent Maplestory patch, the continental planet of Grandis had a star map for all of its moons, but they changed it, so now it’s unclear how many moons orbit grandis. They changed some of the moons to just be the other side of the planet and it’s like upsettingly many moons that just disappeared. Like below is the before and after, we turned all of pantheon and heliseum into an island, vulpes, narin, ristonia and erimos got smashed together with cheong-woon, but FUCKING VERDAL survived as a moon? On a planet that is mostly water? And canonically in the lore, the fabric between grandis and maple world shattered, so like you already have to deal with the repercussions of the fucking FABRIC OF SPACE ITSELF JUST SNAPPING TO MERGE TWO WORLDS TOGETHER FROM ACROSS THE UNIVERSE. Not to mention the entire reason all of this is even remotely possible is because we chased down what is essentially a god through a river of souls and then we let him MAKE AN ENTIRELY NEW WORLD IN THE SKY

How the fuck are any of these fish alive bro

[hearty coral]

Oh my bad the wasnt my intention to call outlaw like that

[fallow canopy]

who asked

[fallow canopy]

neverplayed maplestory is the game holding well as of today?

[tawdry halo]

hey man can I get a mental health check here

that's a lot of brainpower committed to uhh

[balmy condor]

Every patch has a new highest player count

[tawdry halo]

whatever that is

[balmy condor]

Two major patches a year, and each one is more players than the last

And it’s been doing that

For around 3 years straight now

[haughty flicker]

no shot this is what you were typing

but also yeah that never made sense at all

[balmy condor]

I worry about the marine life of carcion okay

[haughty flicker]

nah fuck em

[real pike]

#1113805668625944656

[haughty flicker]

Fuck carcions wildlife

[balmy condor]

my server my rules loser I'm a fucking tryant in this bitch mod abuse going insano

[tawdry halo]

[real pike]

Gives me a tingly feeling when you talk to me like that

[thorn thorn]

It looks interesting

I have never heard of it until now actually

[fallow canopy]

wasn't expecting that but damn

[fallow canopy]

same

[thorn thorn]

I play 4 games almost exclusively

Helldivers 2, Factorio, Palworld and Wow

[haughty flicker]

i wasnt sure about maplestory at first but it is actually pretty good yeah

[balmy condor]

I'm almost in shuffle territory

[haughty flicker]

and they've been making a lot of good changes just in the short time ive been playing

[buoyant herald]

This needs to be a pin

[thorn thorn]

[buoyant herald]

I feel more thought has gone into it than some of the pins tbh

[thorn thorn]

16 is just the beginning

Might have

[drifting cloud]

yoink

[thorn thorn]

Banished

With extreme prejudice

[haughty flicker]

fuck did i miss another chance to get rich

[normal mist]

Sorry

[thorn thorn]

The mods are keeping all the get rich schemes to themselves

[normal mist]

You guys gotta be faster next time

[thorn thorn]

Damn true

[lyric crater]

is deathstaker still bug ?

[balmy condor]

yeah maplestory going sicko mode with it, the winter patch in 2 weeks has huge changes as well, including like a gear pity system so you aren't stuck waiting for a drop that might never come

[haughty flicker]

i still havent seen anything about unified cash shop though

[balmy condor]

[thorn thorn]

Better pity system than wow

The bar is in hell admittedly

[balmy condor]

to be fair, the gear system in maplestory also kinda hates itself

cause the entire thing is you don't get gear, but when you do, you can upgrade it hella through 3 different systems

but for one of the systems, you have a chance for the item to just explode

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

so you're incentivized to hold spare versions of the item

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

but you also just might not see that spare item drop

for like 6 months

[haughty flicker]

still havent replaced my bow

granted i also stopped playing again until ren

[balmy condor]

my dual blade has 3 piece pitched and my main has 0 btw

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

on average you should only need 2 spares to "complete" an item

but I have boomed 5 berserkeds

so

[humble verge]

actually using forge in keys

so if i die i still have gamer damage

but i prolly lose out on like

100-150m prism damage

[desert vault]

Just finally got a prism, fun, but did I see in the past people saying to macro it with vanish?

Just for st raid, salad and dimensions prog

[drifting cloud]

on nexus king you use it at 1:30 since the amp is at 4:30

[knotty vapor]

i dont wanna do soul hunters :c

this is ass

[main bridge]

gonna get squashed like a bug

[safe frigate]

Wowhead guide writer who had to hold damage instead of eating my yummy orbs for 20% vers. >:c

I’m actually crying on the amp that I can’t buff Whispyr and he still outdpses over half the raid at that time.

[thorn thorn]

We both know that the moment whispyr gets a lot of vers for any reason this chat will be flooded with people going "omg vers is so op the guide writer has so much, its for the survivability!!!!!"

[thorn thorn]

Truly the aug experience

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[nova kelp]

Uhhh that's not how "normal" wow players act

[severe meadow]

Can't be stealing that from our member, buddy

They expect 1$ per post outside of that Discord

[nova kelp]

They say "I. Specifically me. Am too valuable as a dps to do that mechanic. Have one of the rats that do not achieve my godlike parses do it. Peasant."

[thorn thorn]

The discord lay legal claim to it

[severe meadow]

I shit you not

Someone said "banana pudding"

and Sera said

in voice

"banana pudding these nuts in your mouth"

[thorn thorn]

btw

Sera is the one that gave us dracmpreg

[severe meadow]

I know

[thorn thorn]

So make sure to thank him for that one

[severe meadow]

That was the most I've heard him talk

and it obliterated someone

[thorn thorn]

Sounds about right

Sera is basically a manifestation of this energy

[severe meadow]

I'll check in with him

[thorn thorn]

I am all knowing

[fallow canopy]

[knotty vapor]

is it normal to just sit there and do nothing for the first 5 sec of soulhunters pull

until they're grouped

i feel like I'm losing so much damage from them not being in cleave range

[balmy condor]

No

[severe meadow]

no

[balmy condor]

You just gar the two, swap to the solo, gar that guy, then swap back

[drifting cloud]

if you ask the tank to pull the right one just to the left of the middle one IC will hit them all

[balmy condor]

Or that

[knotty vapor]

I tried, he just said no

[fallow canopy]

C'est la vie or something

[knotty vapor]

fuck me i guess

[balmy condor]

Gesundheit

[fallow canopy]

Danke

[haughty flicker]

very danke

[knotty vapor]

another question

is it normal to spend most of your time only hitting 2 targets

every one of our pulls so far as been that way

one of them is just off in the distance

[coral ibex]

your tanks suck

[knotty vapor]

YEAH

IT SURE FUCKING FEELS LIOKE IT

[coral ibex]

they need to stack them

[knotty vapor]

im actually so fucking frustrated right now

[coral ibex]

there's no excuse

[knotty vapor]

being completely cucked by tanks

[haughty flicker]

ngl i love joking about tanks but ours didnt even have issues keeping them mostly stacked

so yeah kinda no excuse

like sometimes it takes a little after the void dude jumps away if another one is busy casting or whatever but most of the fight they're pretty stacked

[knotty vapor]

k the rest of the raid started complaining

now they're doing something about it finally

was about ready to fucking strangle them

[desert vault]

so i was seeing a lot of logs on salad using prism on first DM and then at 4:30? is that best or 1:30 and 4:30?

[balmy condor]

1:30 and 4:30 is objectively better

Think about it, pull and 4:30 you get 0 stacks and then 18 stacks

1:30 and 4:30 you get 9 stacks and 18 stacks

And 9+18 is better than 0+18

[desert vault]

ok, yeah i thought so was just looking at logs and saw it going early but yes makes sense

[fallow canopy]

its even easier if the tank moves it as adarus cast the voidstep since velaryn does the blade dance shit and you dodge it basically just by following the boss moving towards adarus

and melee is just literally payphone

[knotty vapor]

i hate my dps being at the mercy of someone else positioning properly

feels like shit

[main bridge]

well it is a team game. it's not CoD. you are always at the mercy of your teammates cooperating

[desert vault]

where are most people using cloak on salad? like the first set of the big beams maybe?

[knotty vapor]

very obviously not to this extent though lol

[severe meadow]

I cloak the puddle bc im a damage goblin

[desert vault]

yeah we have two others doing that to help with the solo tank soak

[severe meadow]

not those

when dragon comes up

big no no puddle

[desert vault]

ah ok, we are just getting started on 30 pulls in so far

[severe meadow]

can just use it whenever I guess

good to save if you miss a ghost and need to extra soak a puddle

or miss a soak

rather

[balmy condor]

Yeh usually hold in case of emergency or need to double

There’s not really a good spot to cloak consistently on prog

Especially when feint works on practically everything

[severe meadow]

if you know a beam is going to slam you, good cloak, need an extra soak, good cloak

I havent tested but I assume if you fuck up on in and out beams cloak can save you

[desert vault]

oh yeah i guess maybe the big beams are liveable with feint and elusivness?

[balmy condor]

What big beams

The intermission?

[desert vault]

yeah the ones that rotation, the flip the other direction and rotate again

[balmy condor]

I mean, you’ll live that, sure

But if you stand in them, everyone else dies

So

[desert vault]

well then, yeah guess that doesn't work 😛

[balmy condor]

Also elusiveness wouldn’t do anything for that

Feint works

[severe meadow]

Yeah idk if you're running cheat, but if you are swap off

Cheat does fuck all

[desert vault]

I am running elusiveness

[severe meadow]

kk

[balmy condor]

I would suggest cheat over elusiveness but to each their own I guess

[severe meadow]

for prog in p1?

I don't think cheat saves the MC does it?

[balmy condor]

It can

Depends on the hit

[thorn thorn]

Just dont get hit

[balmy condor]

But what is elusiveness doing?

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/is-cat-home-gif-26148635

[balmy condor]

Only thing I could think of elusiveness helping with is the dot

Which like, I guess?

Are you actually feinting the dot

Maybe if you were progging it week 2-3

[desert vault]

we are like 30 pulls in, so long way to go

[balmy condor]

Yah I mean cheat is good intermission and p2/p3

The gripe is that cheat sucks in p1

But elusiveness doesn’t do shit either

[severe meadow]

Making me feel elusive

[humble verge]

just use feint on the aoe pre-soak

[balmy condor]

True

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

Your challenger gear is expiring loser don’t glorp me

[haughty flicker]

its ok my ren will get a new set

goodbye shade

[balmy condor]

True

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-toy-story-i-don't-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-gif-1116642795181823087

[thorn thorn]

[humble verge]

surely my note wasnt instructing me to do this everytime on prog, nonono

[split grail]

I parsed nearly 50% higher on Fract this week than last and I have no idea why. I did everything the same

[balmy condor]

Rng does that

Just flip better

[split grail]

https://tenor.com/view/backflip-back-flip-gif-5547677

But really went from like 44% to 91%

[cunning needle]

nice flips

[balmy condor]

Did you have a faster kill time or something for your CDs

Or a bug

Idk

[desert vault]

can you evasion the stupid beams in p1 of salad?

[coral ibex]

no

just move with your raid

[desert vault]

lasers/beams/whatever the stuff before intermission i mean

[balmy condor]

No

Evasion works on nothing

[desert vault]

lame

[cunning needle]

you can evade it with cloak

[severe meadow]

finally fucking free

half raid dead at 12%

[cunning needle]

gzgzgzgz

[coral ibex]

not having cloak to get more uptime on the titan during the platforms

smh

couldnt be me

[severe meadow]

@thorn thorn update, Sera hit someone with the "goblin deeze nuts"

we are 2 for 2 now

[thorn thorn]

he will use sugondeez next

[sleek spear]

does assas want x1 piece of gear with Haste on it?

for example: Sims keep telling me to equip a ring/amulet with at least one roll of haste on it

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hot pasture]

in king ur cds are good only if the tier set bug no? any tip for this boss?

[coral ibex]

no

you send cds on cd and everything lines up

[hot pasture]

idk maybe im late sending cds . Im casting DM at 4 41 is that good?

[balmy condor]

that sounds about right

usually deathmark at 0:08, then 1:38, 3:08, 4:38

so you're like a couple gcds late

but close enough

could tighten it up a little

[hot pasture]

okok thanks ❤️

[inland idol]

!dinners

[elfin fossil]

did the midnight channels disappear?

[balmy condor]

nop

[rotund oak]

Morning babe

what are u leaguestarting

[balmy condor]

pconc of bouncing

[rotund oak]

same here

[pliant nest]

Pconc best conc

[severe meadow]

I think Pconc got nerfed, but prob still strong

[balmy condor]

yeh 20%ish nerf

but betrayal's sting works

so you get 40% back

[buoyant herald]

I was tossing up between that and exsanguinate

[balmy condor]

[buoyant herald]

But leaning exsang since I did pconc a few leagues back

Not sure what flavour yet though

[rotund oak]

its mostly an early nerf,late its kinda irrelevant,pconc can do start to end all season anyway

[balmy condor]

I think it's actually the opposite

early you won't notice it for shit cause the flask scaling makes up for it

late game you'll have less damage cause you're not buffing every pconc with your life flask

[rotund oak]

u will have other ways to buff your dmg

by early i mean like

yellow maps

in that range

u can run precise node but u need to stack acc,thats like 40% more dmg

anyway,we will see how it goes

personally im pretty confident with pconc

[buoyant herald]

It’s a very smooth build and easy to pivot to mamba if you get bored

[balmy condor]

Im just tryna map blast

I probably pivot into tornado shot or deadeye nimis wander or something

Deadeye just very generically good for screen wiping and running fast

Could also try to do some EK thing with the delirium bloodline or something and damage conversion

Lotta options

[buoyant herald]

Yeah the eating is good, balance in poe1 is much better than 2 as well

[balmy condor]

Might be something with the Lycia bloodline too for conversion stuff idk

Haven’t thought further than “pconc until money”

[buoyant herald]

Why think further than that though

[balmy condor]

Exactly

[fathom flax]

@balmy condor you made it to p3 yet king?

[balmy condor]

And I play in a 3 person group, one of them is a cast on crit fanatic, the other is marauder fanatic that’s probably going to do molten strike of the zenith for the 75th time

So they got it figured out

I’m just pissvibing

[fathom flax]

This rivalry I’ve 100% made up in my head is down to the wire

[balmy condor]

We had multiple <10% wipes

[cunning needle]

surely next pull

[fathom flax]

Oh you’re here too

[balmy condor]

It’s dead in the next 24 hours or I’m shaving my head

[cunning needle]

no im love watching whispyrs prog

[fathom flax]

Quoted

Can’t back out

I’m a dirty dog and went sub (I hate it)

[cunning needle]

those sub 10% wipes are acutally the worst

because you get so many of them since there's one fucking guy

who doesnt understand the stack points

even though you asked them to please spend 2 minutes reading it

[fathom flax]

Name, shame

See something say something

It was chimp wasn’t it

[cunning needle]

he may have had a few hover incidents

but i dont think it was chimp specifically

[fathom flax]

Chimp costing you HoF would be some deep painful lore

[cunning needle]

maybe he did, who knows

because we couldnt prog with him on saladbar

so we we killed it 1 day later than we should

and we were like 1 day off hof(shame) as usual

[fathom flax]

I went sub to burn the boss in p3 and got cucked into being the guy who burns all his CDs both platforms so others can hold

[cunning needle]

thats so cringe

my condolences

[fathom flax]

Si si si

[cunning needle]

im glad we killed it on prog when timers made sense to hold a little bit

these new timings where you cant send platform 22.

are wack

[balmy condor]

We had one pull where the only reason it wasn’t dead

Was because the tank got absolutely smashed

And the off tank had to place the suck

And just didn’t know cause they didn’t deal with it

And gripped the entire raid through the boss

[red schooner]

Thank fuck I benched myself before dimmy

[balmy condor]

It’s been 4-5 pulls now where a couple more people surviving one extra soak

Would’ve been a kill

[red schooner]

Next raid, surely

[fathom flax]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fHta1V6MK8n7xDYc?fight=31&type=damage-done&phase=3

FML

[balmy condor]

Yeah not in question at all

It’s basically guaranteed

[cunning needle]

tbh with p3 dimmy. it really shows how good your tanks are

[fathom flax]

I also have to focus adds in p1

[cunning needle]

or how bad they are

[fathom flax]

So as soon as it’s waiting for the final knock I just hand off the keyboard white hit, the timers are cooked

I do get a summer though

[cunning needle]

cant just taunt when your stacks dissapear

[fathom flax]

Autumn, whatever

[cunning needle]

how are you beating the arcane mage as well

[fathom flax]

Rerolls

Our mages have a death pact if 1 dies they just suicide

[cunning needle]

ah so you have 2 dead arcane mages every pull

[fathom flax]

Not literally but they always die in pairs

[cunning needle]

noted

[fathom flax]

Blue man

[cunning needle]

i hate mages

so

fucking

much

we banned blinking in p3

they cant be trusted

[fathom flax]

Also check out the cringe comp

Feral ret 2 dks a dh a single ele no devs 2 locks and a shadow

[cunning needle]

no dev is kinda rough for p1 adds no?

is that why you have to focus them?

[fathom flax]

I like our feral and ret as people a lot but I wish I didn’t have to swap to living mass adds in p1

Yeah adds 1 and 3 and 5

It’s the ranged add too

[cunning needle]

ranged add as well?????

brother

surely not

[fathom flax]

H E L P M E

Again i really like the two guys but I wish the ret could play his 715 ele alt and the feral was balance

But there’s hesitancy to change literally fucking anything this deep into prog

[cunning needle]

why do your warlocks do like 2/3 of ours damage to the masses

and your DKs

[fathom flax]

With 12% and turbo Ilvl too

[cunning needle]

yeah thats our kill on the right

should be 3% less

like ?????

it cant just be your ele shaman doing all teh damage

[haughty flicker]

hm

[cunning needle]

because thats only one side

[fathom flax]

Chain hits both sides

Melee adds on both

I think it’s the lack of dev because we don’t have 1 we have to spread the damage out across more people

The dks could probably do more 100000%

[haughty flicker]

i feel like im seeing into my future

except we dont have an ele

its going to be so doomed

[cunning needle]

do you at least have a devoker?

perhaps 2

[fathom flax]

You need this @haughty flicker

[haughty flicker]

we have half of one

[cunning needle]

[fathom flax]

They might have a dragon but they don’t have a lexy

[cunning needle]

the on pull damage is kinda important

[haughty flicker]

our good evoker is probably going to be stuck healing

bc one of our healers is out

also its our hpalk thats out

so gg autumn

[cunning needle]

just RFWL problems

the ultimate boss

roster boss

no autumn is okay with current push timers

since you probably dont get to cast on platform 2.2

[haughty flicker]

yeah fair

wish i had it on nk atm though

as sub

[cunning needle]

oh yeah 100%

i had to do that for one kill

and it was so pain

[fathom flax]

this bloke fucked us hard

also me joining an amateur netball league and being late every monday

[cunning needle]

this is why i raid sundays

[rotund oak]

was thinking kinetic blast but ye Vmamba is the most likely outcome for me but that wont come before ive got some currency so i believe that would be like

a week into league

if not a bit more

[severe meadow]

I’ll probably do flicker again

Actually maybe not, it was so turbo strong for free because of mercs

Cyclone got buffed too, might fuck with that

[rotund oak]

there are so many things i wanna try this league that i might play it for the total life span of it

not even joking

Kinetic blast,poison srs,slam zerker,phys dot,Vmamba

[thick sigil]

I like wanders but man im 90% sure its gonna be bait as fuck before big investments, as usual...
First league where im at a complete loss at what starter to do 🤔

[balmy condor]

yeh league starting wanders sounds like the most bait shit ever

[jaunty sky]

With the new bases it might be okay

[thick sigil]

Prolly gonna go Pathfinder, easy early flask setup to not hate yourself, can povit into bows/wands 🤔

[balmy condor]

my man

https://tenor.com/view/black-handshake-druski-rapper-gif-20590250

[blissful monolith]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[royal hazel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[thick sigil]

Well i prefer map blasting, cba with delve/heist/whatever 😂
Just need to turn off brain and explode shit

[naive cypress]

Is sanguine blades like an aura on me, so that all bleeds that are active get buffed, or is it if >50% when applied it benefits from Sanguine Blades?

[golden loom]

every bleed tick checks if you are above 50% energy and then applies the sanguine blades if you are

[naive cypress]

I see

[jaunty sky]

Im just going PConc of Bouncing until i can set up viper strike of mamba, gonna force myself to actually play semi ssf in a private league

Mamba PF is just so fucking good and i even have a point left for bloodline ascendacy

[nova aspen]

<- minion cuck

[opaque sky]

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/tell-me-more-salem-cat-waiting-gif-15388754

[grim jay]

is that like

the actual profile

[opaque sky]

Yeah

The whole fight

[grim jay]

[nova aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/mcdo-cat-meme-cat-hat-gif-4320019723440576113

[gusty mirage]

[nova aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-yessir-gif-17449845613192073437

[sharp viper]

40% of destro damage in that spec is chaos bolt casts (ruination = chaos bolt in disguise)

[grim jay]

gotta love me some glorious bolting

[royal lantern]

tbf, isnt thatt also a bit the point of destro

[sharp viper]

yes but they got the ability pruning ahead of midnight

DR BM has more buttons to press

[royal lantern]

tbf, destrolock was always the unspoken "Caster BM"

where for some reason people always complain about BM/ret being braindead specs, while destrolock is just "press chaosbolt, if many targets press rain of fire" since always

[royal lantern]

you know, im actually impressed how they look at stuff like Destrolock or Devoker

and find stuff to REMOVE

[sharp viper]

Devoker is very similiar from what I heard, at least in single target

[humble verge]

jesus, its been a while since ive never not killed first boss dawn and had to abandon

and this hunter is 723 btw

is there any here who actually runs forge+prism, cause they either have a heroic pace/antenna or

[earnest remnant]

i did on some prog this tier as assa

mainly fractilus

cant really recommend tho

[umbral sierra]

For fate bound coin flips

Ik Dm kb trigger 2x edge case each and envenom with cold blood following an edge cas coin makes it guaranteed another edge case from those next 2 envenoms

However I’m curious on some interactions

[humble verge]

idk, its more like if youre doing a boss you know you have the possibility to die on - youre not fucked over prism stacks ig

[umbral sierra]

Say we open get rupture up following stealth for 2x coins on face 1, then we dm kb and cold blood into 2x envenom for another 2 edge case giving us a total of 2x face 1 and 6x edge case.
This sets us at 8x face 1. And 6x face 2
At this point

1. Does the buff from face 1 get reset to 0 stacks leaving us at 1 stack of the buff with a lucky coin in tow or does it give us the coin and leave us at 8 stacks of face 1? Or does it reset both to 0 upon reaching a lucky coin.
2. If it does reset face 1 to 0 and we end at 1 stack of face 1. And 6 of face 2 would the following 3rd envenoms 33% increased chance to match the current streak go to face 1 or face 2
   Same thing for if the buff doesn’t reset and you are at 8 stacks face 1 and 6 stacks face 2

[pure blaze]

hey guys when im doing the single target FB rotation on dummies somehow i manage to desync my KB and CB despite the fact theyre macroed together

its like my KB gets more CD reduction and im not sure where from

[spice surge]

The tier set sometimes procs twice

Sometimes it procs once

[haughty flicker]

sometimes not at all

[pure blaze]

oh thats beautiful

thanks blizzard

[runic hinge]

Life is beautiful

[balmy condor]

If you rupture and then dm kb 2x envenom you’d be at 8-6

Your next flip is a normal flip, and it can’t match the previous, so your finisher doesn’t matter, it 50/50’s, adding one to that stack and resetting the other to zero

[pure blaze]

if you do get the double tier set proc do u just hold off on DM until ur kingsbane is back up

or do you hold the KB until the 1 minute DM is back up

[golden loom]

Play around cold blood cd

[balmy condor]

Typically it’s advised to just play around your cold blood and stay on 0:45 timers

[pure blaze]

ahh ok

so just hold DM and KB until CB is back

[haughty flicker]

or you can just proc the bug twice and use deathmark 3 times in 3 minutes

[pure blaze]

that sounds increadible

[haughty flicker]

3 times in 2 minutes

rather

you already use it 3 times in 3 minutes

[pure blaze]

i always got confused in raid i thought i was fucking stuff up

but i see the spec just does not work

thanks blizzard

or maybe works too good?

[golden loom]

Sometimes it lets you do crazy things

[pure blaze]

maybe i should just stick to sub until they take it out back and shoot it in midngiht

[haughty flicker]

assa is doing really well atm, the bug is just a bit annoying

but its also something you can play around without issue

unless it doesnt proc tier at all but fortunately that version is pretty rare

[royal lantern]

brother, sub has been a rotting corpse for 6 years now

[golden loom]

Yeah its a mostly neutral bug that might benefit you, assuming you are aware of it being a thing

[haughty flicker]

the mental anguish it inflicts is not neutral

[pure blaze]

i only started playing in s2 of TWW so sub actually feels real good for me this season xD

[pure blaze]

its true it confused me and im already not the smartest person to begin with

[vestal granite]

HNNNG SO CLOSE

[pure blaze]

oh holy shit

what I level are u for getting that high

[vestal granite]

729

[pure blaze]

oh wow

[runic hinge]

Put pi on?

[nimble tartan]

dam im already above that..

[spice spire]

Dam didn’t ask 🥀

[nimble tartan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1193773743793786890/1353585748288213124/attachment.gif

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1375108617786626138/1382808929045708982/attachment.gif

[runic hinge]

You’re the goat tho

[royal lantern]

raid cancle

man, we started with p2 prog

dont do this to me

[haughty flicker]

[umbral sierra]

So if say I’m 8A-6B and roll normal coin B that would set me at 0 A 7B and give a 2nd lucky coin dealing massive damage

[balmy condor]

Correct

[umbral sierra]

Say 7 B is tails, would the lucky bound coin damage scale with the stacking tails buff

[balmy condor]

No, the lucky coin is its own thing

It’s just baseline double the damage of a tails coin

[umbral sierra]

Also take it as only way to roll edge case is through dm kb cb no proc chance on it for normal clip

[umbral sierra]

Gotcha

[balmy condor]

Correct

[umbral sierra]

Also last thing

Bc envenom coin is 33% increase chance to match ur streak

If at 8-6 would a venom flip have greater chance for the 8 stack or the 6 or raw 50:50 either way

[balmy condor]

Neither

[umbral sierra]

Ight, wasn’t sure if u meant normal flips can’t land edge case earlier or that it’s 50:50 so wanted to check

Bc if it was more likly to match the 6 stack I would just do 3rd venom
If it was more likly to match the 8 stack I would have either ruptured or ct for 50/50 for the lucky coin over a reduced chance for it

But it’s 50/50 either way so doesn’t matter

Though say outside of the burst window, if at 1 stack B And you envenom how does the 33% add into it?
Is it 83% chance to match coin B or does it make it 66.5% chance to match

[balmy condor]

66.6

[balmy condor]

This is insane btw

[umbral sierra]

Why

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s a lucky coin not an orbital nuke

The envenom alone would do more

Like obviously it doesn’t work like this

But the overthinking here is just crazy

[severe meadow]

They're trying to cook up a 5 star gourmet meal

[umbral sierra]

Mostly looking to fit as much damage in a small window of time

Which is why

[severe meadow]

You're just brainstorming an already solved problem

[balmy condor]

You fit the most damage in a small window of time by pressing envenom

[umbral sierra]

Wasn’t sure since ct would add to sudden demise proc threshold while coin double dam would ideally send them to threshold

But yeah just gonna send another venom

[umbral sierra]

First time on fatebound so wasn’t sure on any of this fully

[balmy condor]

In what situation would you play fatebound

And have sudden demise

And ct

[umbral sierra]

PvP

[fallow canopy]

Oh no

[severe meadow]

FB in m+?

o

[balmy condor]

THIS MFER TALKING ABOUT PVP

[severe meadow]

Whispyr is in fact, very famously known for his PvP

[balmy condor]

It’s not even that I’m known for my pvp

[royal lantern]

ngl

if i would die in pvp

check my logs

and see that i died from the fucking rogue coinflipping tails 18x in a row

[balmy condor]

PvP is tuned entirely differently

[royal lantern]

i would uninstall

[severe meadow]

Yeah, I'd ask this stuff in the PvP channel if anything

[balmy condor]

And nothing in this conversation is relevant anymore

[fallow canopy]

Skill issue

[umbral sierra]

They didn’t fucking know

[balmy condor]

Because it’s deadass just a different game

[umbral sierra]

I asked and they were all shrug

[severe meadow]

Prob because like 4 people play PvP

[balmy condor]

Yeah that makes sense, you’re the first person on earth to have these thoughts

[umbral sierra]

Yes but even with tuning being different the fatebound interactions are the same in pvp as pve

So i came here asking about interactions of the hero talents

[balmy condor]

Yeh thats fine, the moment anything damage is involved it all flies out the window

[umbral sierra]

Ofc, no one in pvp channel really knew the interactions of the spec/ hero talents fully just that “oooh coins go brrrt” dm, kb, venom will legit 100-0 someone in those 3 gcds

[fallow canopy]

At least it wasnt fb in m+

[balmy condor]

Yeh

That sounds like PvP

PvP is not really something people optimize

It’s always just been streamer-slop and feelcraft cause “that did a lot of damage, do that”

[royal lantern]

aren you streaming sometimes aswell

doesnt that make your stuff streamer-slop?

[umbral sierra]

Too much going on too optimize perfectly but since rouge is good at set up it’s more possible to optimize

[umbral sierra]

Don’t talk about whisper like that

[balmy condor]

Feel like there’s less going on than PvE but sure

[umbral sierra]

He can do no wrong

[umbral sierra]

Least in pve mobs arnt using 1 gcd to insta remove ur 2 min cd

But that’s neither here nor there

Thanks for the info

[balmy condor]

PvP is just a game mode no one plays and every serious theorycrafter in the last 10-15 years could not care less about trying to make some tooling to optimize it, so the support has been terrible

It’s kinda like the m+ problem but worse cause all math has abandoned it

[umbral sierra]

That and blizz refuses to fix bugs

Permanent combat due to singular focus is still a thing and has been since s1

[bleak cargo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[gray hazel]

RIP to that command

[tawdry halo]

I am sorta looking forward to not having to remember to download some default WA pack in order to be able to play an alt tho

[umbral sierra]

I’m not

The new ui is so shit to customize and I’m seeing people having to look at their buff bar for stuff

[balmy condor]

Hello am new rogue looking for cooldown manager import pls

[umbral sierra]

^

Should just hire Luxthos to do the cd manager

[tawdry halo]

Man there goes my optimism I guess

[severe meadow]

Pika literally just picks shit and makes it work half the time

(Whenever I watch his YT stuff)

[balmy condor]

God please no

His shit is so god awful ugly and stretched it actually hurts my eyes to look at

Feels like my eyes get exotropia

[umbral sierra]

Fair

The main aura im fine with ftmp

But I also make it like .7 X size

[humble verge]

going to a halloween party this weekend;

[umbral sierra]

speaking of this is ideal pvp stat split for assa rn lmfao
not important but figured u would get a little laugh out of it (only use 2p tier btw XD)

[halcyon flame]

no way assa plays with 1% haste in pvp

[normal mist]

why would you need haste

people die from KB kabooms and executes

more mastery = more better

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr is gonna have a stroke

[balmy condor]

Yeh I guess makes sense, you don’t really care about the cdr

Probably play master assassin for the crit so don’t need that

And then just mast vers for biggest kaboom possible

Checks out

Or maybe not even master assassin

Crit’s nerfed

[umbral sierra]

u take it for cp gain

[balmy condor]

Sure I guess

[tawdry halo]

Do tiersets work in pvp?

[normal mist]

yes

most of the times they are nerfed

[tawdry halo]

Is the fatebound 4pc nerfed or something? Seems like faster CDs can only be a good thing for damage output

• more burn opportunities

[normal mist]

you arent doing PvE openers in pvp

getting that lucky coin could be rng as hell

besides fucking up a vanish charge most likely

[tawdry halo]

Ah true I forgot it’s not guaranteed it just is in PVE because rotation

[tawdry halo]

[umbral sierra]

5 second cdr on kb XD

[thorn thorn]

Sets are typically nerfed by 50% but sometimes they get omega nuked

Devs set in DF S2 was omega shit because it got omega nerfed

Half as much damage converted into the dot, half as much extra damage after empower

Actually cosmetic damage

[tawdry halo]

No wonder you only run 2pc

[vital haven]

feel like you play deathstalker in pvp

i have nothing to back that up but it just feels more pvp specific

[balmy condor]

pretty sure you can't do that because singular focus locks you into combat and you just never stealth ever again

[royal lantern]

just kill the guy so you dont need to stealth?

[tawdry halo]

[tawdry halo]

What a cool bug thanks blizzard

[fallen charm]

Singular focus turns everyone into undead Pog

Undeads can't ever restealth either if you have a dot somewhere

[waxen oyster]

probably also because you cant really ambush first global in pvp

and if you get cc'ed at all in subter rip mark

[thorn thorn]

Blizzard would never have bugs in their game

[tawdry halo]

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-void-cat-cute-void-cat-void-cat-gif-3244383775861521230

[austere willow]

is everyone still running deathstalker on araz? my numbers are so low i shiv on adds but they die so fast can barely get any uptime on them

[red schooner]

We've been fatebound on araz for a while.

[austere willow]

smfh i knew it

[waxen oyster]

i mean adds insta die post turbo on mythic

[red schooner]

Lines up better for add spawns and amps, no pillars eating your mark

[austere willow]

i was going to try that this week but forgot and still gray parsed lol i knew FB was the way thank you def going FB next week

any others bosses i should switch talents on other than what is recommended on wowhead

[coral ibex]

you can just run fb for everything

[austere willow]

soul hunters?

[coral ibex]

deathstalker for soulbinder and soul hunters if you feel like it

doesn't really make much difference

[waxen oyster]

yeah early bosses just fall over

kind of irrelevant

[coral ibex]

many top logs are fatebound

[austere willow]

im running bleed mythic+ on soul hunters?

so switch lol

[waxen oyster]

getting pinks on add bosses post turbo

sounds omega cooked anyway

shit dies too fast

[coral ibex]

you can run bleed for soul hunters

i still do

[waxen oyster]

i just play sub on sh because it requires less micro

[austere willow]

tyty thats what ive been running making sure im not selling myself

[balmy condor]

!ban @slate thistle spam

[red schooner]

Okay whispyr got there before I could tag

[coral ibex]

yo i already had that guy blocked or muted

[red schooner]

Because discord is dumb when it comes to tagging the shadows

[balmy condor]

discord now auto-hides spammers

[coral ibex]

ahh

epic

[desert vault]

For prism is keys, just use it with every DM window? Or just save for bosses?

[balmy condor]

it just takes like 20 seconds for the account to get flagged

so

[balmy condor]

depends on the dm and the boss

you cast it wehen you need damage, whenever that may be

[waxen oyster]

Honestly if you need to ask

prob just macro to dm

[jaunty sky]

if you save for big packs your damage number at the end is bigger

[waxen oyster]

I mean that's what you "should" do.

[dusky granite]

No, you shouldn't use prism as a 2min cd in M+. There are situations you could use max stacks without deathmark. There are situations you hold max stacks for a minute for deathmark.

[coral ibex]

which pulls are you doing without DM but need 18 stacks of prism to kill?

that seems silly

[jaunty sky]

it's not good

obviously

[dusky granite]

I said situations. And it's largely based on lining up to have max stacks when you know you'll need them to minimize downtime where you're just holding.

[waxen oyster]

you'll either send with dm

or send on next dm

[coral ibex]

if you are holding for 18 stacks you might as well just hold DM

or at the worst send prism during LD

[waxen oyster]

might be more aoe to send during LD

ngl

[dusky granite]

I mean, you send early to get some use of out of it, and then have max stacks when deathmark is up for the make-or-break pull

Sitting on things to optimize can be suboptimal at times in high keys. Shouldn't be that controversial of a take.

[jaunty sky]

you might run into situations where you're at like 8 stacks but DM is up

especially in lower keys

or casual keys you could say

[jaunty notch]

saladbar is deadge

dimensius you are next

[hardy prairie]

ive noticed more people killing myth dim as sin, is this just preference or is there other reasoning for that?

[shy creek]

Adds die too fast for sub to be super good

Assa better for boss dmg

[haughty flicker]

platforms are not the prog point they used to be

and assa just does more boss dam

[shy creek]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[hardy prairie]

ah i see, so sub would be good if progging platforms but for progging p3 maybe better to switch?

[shy creek]

Assa does comparable dmg on platforms as well

Does great dmg to the big adds

if not more than sub

just wont help w voidwardens n stuff

Which at this point isnt really a prog point either

[hardy prairie]

fair enough, thanks

[coral ibex]

@balmy condor

[keen spruce]

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

holy glarf

[coral ibex]

[haughty flicker]

what the hell

[thorn thorn]

[coral ibex]

so my raid lead thought me sending 18 stacks on artosh was troll

so i sent 9 on p1 to build to 18 for the amp

and we phased at 2:18

nobody was happy

[runic hinge]

[coral ibex]

artosh is getting 18 stacks

[cunning needle]

[humble verge]

i can tell you

sent my prism on every dm+kb

[coral ibex]

they told us to "use your cds when its good for you"

and its just cooked

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/northernlion-nl-freak-freaky-streamer-gif-11439842509500736728

https://imgur.com/a/HKyWckV

gg

[balmy condor]

@fathom flax eat shit my hair is alive

[earnest remnant]

hontrue desu ka?

[fallow canopy]

grats king

[balmy condor]

konnichiwagwan

[coral ibex]

you forgot the croski on the end

[earnest remnant]

chotto a minute

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-yeah-yes-angry-cop-gif-20641922

[tawdry halo]

Guild on hiatus til next xpac, or are we reclearing?

[balmy condor]

reclearing but not this week I think cause vacations

[coral ibex]

on my bday too wow thanks for the amazing gift

[tawdry halo]

Hell yeah we love a guild that sticks together

[humble verge]

u cookd

[balmy condor]

I cooked a 4 parse

we love hold dps

and throwing cooldowns out to ensure we push correctly

damage amp btw

[fallow canopy]

sheesh

that's tough

[balmy condor]

yah

was assigned platform 2 cds

all good

boss die

that's all that matters

7 kbs and 6 dms

[thorn thorn]

If im daylea im this raid im crying

Open mic crying that im losing dps to my sin rogue not being able to do dammies during amp

[balmy condor]

I wasn't getting buffed on amp

but she was upset for a lil, yeh

[thorn thorn]

I would be too

My parses

[balmy condor]

boss dies, it's fine

we have some demons that refuse to hold dps

[thorn thorn]

Doesnt matter, got CE, boss dead

[balmy condor]

so we had to compensate

[thorn thorn]

Can parse during farm

[balmy condor]

we're holding like 30 seconds total but some people suspiciously parsing 85-90 on a prog kill

curious!

[thorn thorn]

Was it the boomie

[balmy condor]

I wonder if this could be possibly because they are planning on leaving, or preparing in case of a gkick for their terrorism

who knows

[thorn thorn]

Truly mysterious

[cunning needle]

gz though

you are free

[fallow canopy]

interesting

[thorn thorn]

[fallow canopy]

[balmy condor]

[cunning needle]

[main bridge]

[haughty flicker]

fract parse finally fixed thank fuck

[thorn thorn]

I need to ask Daylea how to not have bad rng on my spec

[coral ibex]

couldn't be me

[balmy condor]

I’m sure they’re just that good at the game

[thorn thorn]

Do you have a log of the kill whispyr

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s public log

[thorn thorn]

@safe frigate You can no longer make fun of me for having bad rng with motes

The heal parse tho 👀

[thorn thorn]

Idk I still see that its not orange

[haughty flicker]

it was grey so

well it was blue

grey before that

[coral ibex]

no that's my dirty secret, i always play selfishly until it is an issue/is called out

[tawdry halo]

My guilds last frac fight finisher at 4:30 exactly

[coral ibex]

because i know every other mf in my raid is doing the same

[tawdry halo]

I was so mad

DM 2 seconds away from being off CD, boss dies

[haughty flicker]

ours was at 4:14

[tawdry halo]

Yuck