assassination

[balmy condor]

Dawg

[cunning needle]

did you know we have a saying which is "well I'm not here to fuck spiders"

[balmy condor]

I’d hope not

[oak tangle]

what are you doing at mcdonalds? well im not here to fuck spiders

[balmy condor]

Okay but

Rain fish

[cunning needle]

yeah pretty much

[balmy condor]

Explain

Like fish just fall from the sky

[cunning needle]

well there's flying fish

[balmy condor]

Nah

I’m getting baited

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

I’ve seen sci-fi movies with more believable shit than your grotesque insult of reality

[balmy condor]

NOT UNUSUAL

[cunning needle]

i mean

things just happen ya know

[balmy condor]

It’s been 15 minutes, yall think the trinket cd guy will be back to elaborate or do I go back to bed knowing more terrible things

[oak tangle]

go to bed with the solace that whatever you dream up, doesn't even come close to my reality

[balmy condor]

Honestly

True

[cunning needle]

kangaroos are lett handed

so if you ever get in a fight with them

watch their left hook

[balmy condor]

I had a vivid dream of shaking darth vaders hand when I was like 9 and I swear I can still feel the leather of the glove if I think about it

But that doesn’t even register anymore

[balmy condor]

To fish rain and left handed kangaroo

[balmy condor]

Is that a mole

Is it clay

[oak tangle]

one of these guys

it's like a beaver

[balmy condor]

Okay but like, a fake baby platypus right

[oak tangle]

but it's born like a reptile

[balmy condor]

Like that’s clay

[oak tangle]

honestly i've no idea

[balmy condor]

What a terrifying sentence

[cunning needle]

yeah that one is fake

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/U7YG-mEMy10

you've seen this yeh?

[balmy condor]

Thank god

Last thing you guys need is a Terracotta Army of wingless ducks

[cunning needle]

did you know that a baby platypus is called a puggle?

[oak tangle]

they have spikes on the fins that are not good for you

[red schooner]

But they're also adorable

[oak tangle]

as in like, they've got dragon tempered fins

[red schooner]

So its okay

[cunning needle]

theyre just so weird

maybe whispyr is right

and we are aliens

they dont have teeth, stomach or nipples

they just secrete milk through their skin

and they also have radar

• glow in the dark

[oak tangle]

inb4 the reason we developed wifi was cause of platypus'

[balmy condor]

Okay that’s enough Australia

[oak tangle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus_venom

[balmy condor]

I go back to sleep

Your shit is all fucked

[cunning needle]

sweet dreams

of puggles

[humble verge]

mfw i log better dps on my alt for a boost run than my main on loomi

still only a 76 parse

[spice spire]

Washed

[royal lantern]

whats the renown lvl in the raid rn?

11 or 12?

[jaunty notch]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[humble verge]

11 eu, 12 NA

12 for eu tmr

[royal lantern]

kk, so im not behind

[midnight scroll]

am i insane for actually using crimson vial?

[fallen charm]

Yes

Huge dps loss

[midnight scroll]

i'm using it for healing not for dps

[fallen charm]

Same goes for feint

[midnight scroll]

anyway, queue the great enemy felled screen

[fallen charm]

Fatebound?

[midnight scroll]

yes

[fallen charm]

Noice

[midnight scroll]

i thought i was gonna hug the tank on the meters, i finished third haha

[fallen charm]

The dmg amp phase makes up for the add dps loss

[midnight scroll]

yea and we lusted on the first one accidentally so that might've helped somehow i'm not sure

[subtle tundra]

MIAU!

[pure moth]

is it?

[subtle tundra]

its a minimal dps loss

cause it costs some energy

[snow fable]

hey guys do you know if we can buy a dinar tomorrow ?

[midnight scroll]

pretty sure yea

[snow fable]

how can we got our dinar ? for tue US persons logged I mean

[midnight scroll]

fractillus is dead wednesday so i'm definitely buying prism, i'd just love for us to kill soul hunters so i can get rid of these champ track boots

[midnight scroll]

i assume it's gonna be like last season, you take a quest

then kill bosses or do m+ i guess

[fresh ginkgo]

Y'all still pool a bit before each kingsbane

Or is that troll af

[west crown]

You just want enough to have 100% envenom uptime for KB. If you have to pool to like 100 energy or whatever than yeah it’s worth

[fresh ginkgo]

Heard

[rotund oak]

says the prot war reroll

[rotund oak]

u r doing gr8 fam

[rotund oak]

[humble verge]

time to go understand my logs

[robust jasper]

can someone eli5 whats going on with these ambushes getting cast at the same time as mutilate in some high logs?

frac fight so this is fatebound st build

[haughty flicker]

its just blindside iirc

[robust jasper]

but my other buddy who im helping log review isnt getting these

he just gets plain ambushes

[haughty flicker]

idk what causes it but im pretty confident thats what it is

[desert vault]

is there a breakpoint or anything for haste with sin? my sims are wanting me to take everything haste i can get, like the haste trinket from saladbar is like 4-5% for me but my haste is really low i think 5-6% so was going to craft and recraft stuff with a little more haste on it and then see

[runic hinge]

Just sim it

[haughty flicker]

@balmy condor can answer better though

[runic hinge]

You can sim recrafts and regems

[robust jasper]

dont think so, it isnt happening in my buddies log at all

[robust jasper]

weird I guess its just a bug with only some people

cuz some logs have it and some dont

[marsh fjord]

IF you mean by bug on the warcraft logs website yes. but not in-game no

[robust jasper]

yes in logs

[haughty flicker]

the conversation is about logs yes

[marsh fjord]

I know its about logs but you never know how people intercept certain things

[dense cove]

Do we get a % damage buff from renown this week or is that next week?

[inland idol]

when the dinners come out, which one should we use as a assa?

[unborn rain]

mythic prism if u dont have

[marsh fjord]

its next week

[pliant remnant]

soulbinder's embrace bro

[haughty flicker]

im using dinar on boots

so i can cata them for transmog

[real pike]

100% better than antenna?

[haughty flicker]

i mean thats a sim angle

like i have a myth track lily and a champ antenna

though im buying boots anyway but if i were to buy a trinket it would be antenna

[real pike]

Ye I have hero both so deffo will be a sim angle tbf

[marsh fjord]

Also Loom is quite easy to pug now

[waxen oyster]

im buying araz

because i literally need nothing else

[oak tangle]

😅

sitting here 2/8 M

[weary stump]

Forgeweaving our loomussy trinkets

[haughty flicker]

Pugging loom should be very easy atm yeah

[waxen oyster]

got my myth antenna from vault

prism first m frac kill

[haughty flicker]

But for my guild I'm just higher prio on prism than I am on antenna

[waxen oyster]

boots from a soulhunters farm kill

[oak tangle]

gotta gamble your lockouts tho

[haughty flicker]

So I would buy antenna

Ye I mean i don't pug mythic anymore

But the lockout gamba is always fun

[waxen oyster]

i should try 2/8 on war

[weary stump]

My guild has yet to kill araz and does roll need so no antenna yet

[waxen oyster]

good thing their best trinket

[unborn rain]

are servers up

[waxen oyster]

is off first boss

[haughty flicker]

I pugged mythic once this season on hunter

2/8 and got antenna from vault

Ez

[oak tangle]

they updated the banner to say it's an hour longer, but then didn't mention it's been delayed so they can act like it was always that long

[waxen oyster]

i got nothing to buy

after forge

tbh

[haughty flicker]

I hope prism drops then I can just buy boots and antenna

Then one for transmog

Ez

[marsh fjord]

I think dinars need to change honestly.

I can only buy soul hunters boots. what am i going to do with my 2 other dinars, there is nothing to buy? Why can't they just not make it so that every item is available then i would buy the araz ring also

[waxen oyster]

got all 3 pre dinars

[haughty flicker]

Way better than having to spend one on a fucking heroic ring like last season

[waxen oyster]

last tier i spent one on ring one on eye

[oak tangle]

to be fair, second dinar is 3 weeks away

[waxen oyster]

so basically 2/3 of my dinars were spent only on farm

ig i can buy dimmy ring with second dinar

after we kill

just for hps parse

[marsh fjord]

Time doesnt matter. i have nothing to do buy

The chance that araz ring drops and goes me is very little

and also we are extending because we are on nexus king

[inner cave]

good afternoon, can someone give me some advice about the dps? I feel like I'm doing "good" but it's hard for me to maintain the dps. Can I give you the fractilus log and if you have time, can you give me some advice?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WJB9r2jTPd6Cmy4b?fight=19&type=damage-done&source=38

[oak tangle]

post it

[oak tangle]

you seem to waste quite a lot of combo points, are you intentionally generating at 5+ cp?

[inner cave]

I put 5 points together and use them - do I have to put 7 together?

[oak tangle]

you are also netherprism'ing with every dm, you should do every second

[oak tangle]

no, looking at the logs you over cap too often

this means that you garroted at 7 cp 5 times

[inner cave]

hooo you say I waste points ok.

so for example if I have 4 CP - is it better to throw a poison than to try to reach 5?

[oak tangle]

throw what sorry?

[inner cave]

use envenom

[oak tangle]

no, you evenom 5+ always

but garrote is 1 cp, so in order to have wasted cp on it, you had to have garrotted with 7cp

[inner cave]

where you see that ? sorry

[oak tangle]

the photo i linked

you wasted 5 cp on garrote

[inner cave]

yes but what part on warcraftlogs

[oak tangle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WJB9r2jTPd6Cmy4b?fight=19&type=resources&translate=true&source=38&spell=104

[wooden timber]

pacemaker for dimmy! cursed stone idol for outlaw! wahoo!

if u already have prism forge antenna on myth

[marsh fjord]

Yeah i do. but i strictly play assa

[wooden timber]

oh ok

pacemaker good dinar

but who knows what the last one is then

[inner cave]

then I will have to be attentive with the combat points - thank you very much and the rotation is a bit bad -?

or something to change?

[oak tangle]

yeah your later deathmarks are casted in wrong orders

and you would gain a lot by holding your prism for an 18 stack sub 35% rather than hitting it every dm

[inner cave]

is better wait to 18stacks ?

kk i try ne

next

[marsh fjord]

on fatebound you do yes. because you use it on your vanish. and vanish becomes 3 minutes

on deathstalker you use it with every DM

[fresh kelp]

Lily is a good trinket for some kill timers if you have literally nothing better

[marsh fjord]

i also got lily myth track 😄

[fresh kelp]

well ye congrats you are not eligible to gain anything from the bad luck system

[oak tangle]

also should try and work on getting them pressed on cd, you lose 5-10 s between every dm cast from delays, which means your final dm has no time to do damage

[inner cave]

thanks, I'll try it next time about the wasted CPs - I wasn't realizing that . I'll take a look at it. Thanks for your time

[marsh fjord]

well i do but only 1 item hahaha

Thats why i think it would be nice if they would open up every item from m+ and raid instead of just cantrips

[wooden timber]

uh oh

now i have to decide between lily and cursed idol!

forbidden information...

i think its probably lily

[royal lantern]

idol is like

not good

lol

[wooden timber]

it is for outlaw in m+

according to fuus sheet

[oak tangle]

for who in m+?

[wooden timber]

and i told myself id learn all 3 specs before midnight because when i told my rl i didnt know how to play outlaw for soul hunters prog i felt like a fraud

[royal lantern]

ok, i dont care about the warrior spec and meme mode

[wooden timber]

oh ok hehe

[marsh fjord]

I would just wait till midnight comes honestly lol

its gonna be very different

[wooden timber]

feb is a long way away

and i want to improve as a player NOW

but yeah in ur circumstances if ur sin only just shoe > pacemaker > ??????????? for ur dinar

[royal lantern]

you dont "improve" by wild swapping bettwen specs lol

espacially when WoW difficulty is 99% encounter based, not what you play

[wooden timber]

yeah i just wanna get better at my class as a whole

so ill improve if i learn to play the one spec my class has that i cant play very well

[marsh fjord]

I understand that but when things change in 4 months. why bother, tier is almost over for you bro

[wooden timber]

tiers already over for me

[oak tangle]

that is a view to have, but there is a saying "jack of all trades, master of none"

[marsh fjord]

Then makes it more useless lol

[wooden timber]

i just wanna learn stuff and make sure im not washed up by the time midnight comes out

[wooden timber]

oh yeah absolutely im going to 1 trick rogue as a class but i think all 3 specs are worth knowing

[marsh fjord]

I understand you. but i feel like when things change so much why bother

Things you will learn will not be needed in 4 months anymore

[wooden timber]

still worth i think but its w/e hehe

[oak tangle]

my skill in sin / sub, will always outclass anything outlaw can provide

[wooden timber]

if u dont care about outlaw makes dinars easier

[marsh fjord]

haha yeah you do bro. in high WR raid leaders tend to want the best spec for bosses

[wooden timber]

yeah my rl asked me if i could play it for soul hunter

and i said i cannot and i felt like a noob

so its for my personal pride

[marsh fjord]

Yeah my raid leader also wants me to go sub for certain bosses.

[wooden timber]

idk what high wr is though its my 2nd season raiding

[marsh fjord]

i think around 500 WR people tend to ask the most broken spec of the class

[wooden timber]

i just want to be strong engouh at rogue so no one asks me to reroll off rogue

oh ok

i odnt want to play any other class ever

[spice surge]

Theres no set WR really

[marsh fjord]

If your like wr 1500 and your raid leader ask you to play the best spec thats just weird

[spice surge]

Just depends on how much your raid leader wants to micromanage things

[wooden timber]

yeah

he was fine w it bc if liquid rogues didnt do outlaw then it is what it is but

my pride was wounded

and thats what really matters!

[marsh fjord]

I went from 2k WR to 1300 WR to 800 WR to 500 WR over 4 tiers

[royal lantern]

literally nobody will ever do that lol

[wooden timber]

if we get a rogue trial who is better than me my options might be be benched or reroll

[royal lantern]

espacially not on rogue, where do they another idiot stupid enough to play rogue from

[wooden timber]

i gotta defend my spot!

[coral ibex]

you don't

there is no competition for rogue slot

people dont play this class

[oak tangle]

we don't fight other rogues, rogues are the homies

[wooden timber]

ah ok i went from 1860 to 130 but im going to stay here next tier i think i need to become stronger and i like my guild

[royal lantern]

if you have a spot in your guild, and they suddenly trial somebody for the same spot and replace you with it, its a shit guild and you should leave anyway

[marsh fjord]

130? really good bro!

[royal lantern]

cus thats not how you manage a functional raidteam lol

[wooden timber]

ty

idk when i was applying i saw alot of guilds trialing people who play classes their current members play and advertise their spots as competitive

so i want to do my best...

[wooden timber]

maybe so!

[coral ibex]

there are more people playing ele rn than all rogue specs combined

rogue isn't a contested raid slot

[wooden timber]

i still dont want to get complacent just in case

its too scary

[oak tangle]

to my detriment, I always wish my guild had a second rogue for competition / bounce ideas off

[coral ibex]

its also just inconvenient for the raid to have the rogue geared for both outlaw and the other specs

because outlaw uses different weapons

[royal lantern]

^

most of the time, people can only gear 1 or 2 specs anyway

if they wanna push fast high

[coral ibex]

outlaw would have to be tuned to the moon for it to be worth gearing it specifically over assa+sub

[royal lantern]

if you dont, spec allready doesnt matter anymore anyway lol

[oak tangle]

just fookin give me artifact weapons back perma

[royal lantern]

doesnt change the fact that trinket exists

[coral ibex]

esp since you can gear specifically for sub opti and have basically useable assa gear

[wooden timber]

yeah i think its rare but id still like to be able to play it

i dont like only being confident on 2 specs of a 3 dps class

[oak tangle]

yeah but like... week 1 patch, craft dagger with spark, innovative gameplay

[royal lantern]

man, i raided on like, almost every single WR outside of HoF range and always as assa only

since mythic exists

[coral ibex]

it also doesn't matter because outlaw is changing a lot going into midnight

[royal lantern]

[coral ibex]

so learning current outlaw doesnt really mean anything

it isn't useful in any specific capacity

[wooden timber]

i think being good enough at a spec with that gcd speed/reactiveness/uptime requirement will make me better

since ive only played sin/sub

[marsh fjord]

I said the same to myself. i promised myself to learn all the specs of the class im playing next tier. but because thats midnight. i will be just waiting for pre-patch and learn then

[wooden timber]

and usually i can just drop uptime on those guys and be punished way less

[humble verge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[oak tangle]

does prepatch have the ability changes?

[wooden timber]

so even if the specs gone i think itll make me better to play it competently bc it will make me learn things im not good at that are transferrable

[marsh fjord]

Yeah

[oak tangle]

ooh, that gonna be a hella busy time

[royal lantern]

not really? if anything it tends to make stuff worse cus you get habbits lol

like

if assa goes more into pooling

getting the outlaw ADHD monster addict trigger finger is not good lol

you dont suddenly get better at 1 spec because you play something else

[oak tangle]

took me a while to relearn the dm cast order, and even still i sometimes default to season 1 order

[royal lantern]

you get better at a spec by....playing it....

[wooden timber]

ok but learning how to get better uptime without dying and react to procs/apl changes quicker and think at a faster pace overall are all good things

oh yeah i more want to get better at the game as a whole than just 1 spec

u know?

[royal lantern]

wdym, do yo try not to hit the enemys all the time as assa/sub?

not getting uptime always sucks

[wooden timber]

yeah i can just safety game on sub

if im not overcapping energy i lose 1-2 sht stacks

and on sin u just lose 1 poison application

obviously if i was better id play it tighter but i just lose autos and so i havent felt the need to be greedy outside of cds

and thats a skill id like to improve at

[oak tangle]

there is a pic, that i think is relevant

[wooden timber]

my logs are fine i just think theres always stuff i could work on

[royal lantern]

hit boss, use cds, dont die, hope your priest doesnt go into angel form 3x in the fight

GG

[marsh fjord]

I have the same mentality as you i just dont like wasting time when something is gonna be changed so much. but im also in the same boat as you

[wooden timber]

yeah i just like getting better and i notice i have weaknesses as a player that could be addressed by learning a spec that forces me to approach the game differently

thats all!

[waxen oyster]

Honestly blizz just never makes a boss strictly better for outlaw

idk

[marsh fjord]

Yeah, have you seen shindigg video about it?

[wooden timber]

i dont think so

[marsh fjord]

Hold up

[vale shore]

one which has 5 adds that cluster around it and live the whole fight?

[waxen oyster]

i feel sire was the last time outlaw was genuinely on top for a relevant boss

[marsh fjord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJI0e1havzU

[wooden timber]

thanks

[waxen oyster]

orgozoa?

meme boss

lowk

[oak tangle]

haven't watched the video, but I know my fuckups are rare enough and normally extremely blatant that they become memes

[waxen oyster]

honestly nowadays that they gave both sin and sub bladeflurry

it kind of made outlaw lose its niche

even further

[vale shore]

yeah, I guess such a boss would benefit ass too

[marsh fjord]

He just goes on about expectations that he has for himself and that his raid leader has for him.

[waxen oyster]

maybe midnight rework will change that

[marsh fjord]

and how to deal with mistakes

[oak tangle]

unironically, i think i have a natural culture buff, being aussie we so easily laugh at ourselves

[waxen oyster]

midnight they basically scrapped the entire crackshot playstyle outlaw has been centered around since df s3

[vale shore]

assassin now has a non-stealth way to spread its dots around, such cleave fights are even better for them

[marsh fjord]

Like everyone is different but when i fuck up i really feel bad and it affects me and this video helped me with that.

[wooden timber]

ah ok

i will watch

but yeah idk i feel like i have never once played a fight 100% perfectly and that means i still have stuff to work on

[haughty flicker]

is shindiggs guild named idiot

that goes so hard holy fuck

[marsh fjord]

no idea 😄

[main bridge]

yes

[oak tangle]

if you're interested in it, there is a term here "tall poppy syndrome" where we basically cut down perfection or exceeders

[wooden timber]

im not coming at it from a mindset of being hard on myself (although sometimes it can be like that!) but moreso from a mindset of improving and not like getting an ego/conceited

[haughty flicker]

its in like the first 30 seconds of the video you linked

[royal lantern]

its not 2018 anymore

[wooden timber]

if u convince urself u have nothing to learn its over for u

[royal lantern]

constant cleave is not a unique thing only outlaw has

[marsh fjord]

10000%

[vale shore]

true

[royal lantern]

literally EVERY spec in the game has passive cleave at this point

[haughty flicker]

im perfect in every way

[wooden timber]

[waxen oyster]

tbf constant cleave is rarely a prevalent thing in raid

boss spawns little turds

periodically

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-booty-shake-glorp-throwing-it-back-glorp-twerk-gif-15728514058189514652

[royal lantern]

ye

[waxen oyster]

is usual raid design

[royal lantern]

wow is very very heavy burst based

always has been

main reason why outlaw is kinda meh so often in raids

[waxen oyster]

fury is doing fine rn

[royal lantern]

important stuff tends to be always based around burst

[waxen oyster]

but their st kinda just

goes brr on aoe rn

due to that bugfix

watching reap be 30% of your aoe damage

every pull

[sharp viper]

fury goes brrrrt all the time, at least my raids resident fury

[unborn rain]

bruh they keep extending downtime

[humble verge]

why did they decide her to be so good looking in the splash art when loading into valdrakken

[marsh fjord]

Blizzard devs are in this channel seeing your frustrations and extended it by other 5 hours

[vale shore]

Alexstrasza can decide what her visage form looks like. She chose that form for you!

[real pike]

Suppose that general chap with the big door in Aberrus wasn't relevant

[waxen oyster]

Who?

[haughty flicker]

wait do you mean assault of the zaqali

because if so yea that boss was turbo irrelevant

people stopped doing the mechanics at all and just zerged him

[fallen charm]

I remember doing mechanics week 1

and full zug zug week 2

[real pike]

Yeah but that first week

Cor Outlaw was silly

[spice spire]

@earnest remnant got a rank one with a one button macro on that boss

Wasn’t it like 26s or some shit

[haughty flicker]

Yeah i remember his guild had like an insane speed kill

[spice spire]

Rip my goats

[vital haven]

he played sin

i member

cause sub had no burst LMAO

[humble verge]

alright lads

do i use my level boost

on another rogue

or on a warrior or hunter

[fallen charm]

ofc

final answer "maybe"

[waxen oyster]

loot pinata boss

[earnest remnant]

think it got 3 of em

just using that macro xD

[humble verge]

we going maghar orc then

[spice spire]

rubber duck smoking

[earnest remnant]

i showed it to whispyr it was glorious back then

[coral ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1166998410910498826/1430296100304322612/image.png?ex=68f9428b&is=68f7f10b&hm=ff4bb5ed74412480932e18a2b29aabee65599255eacaa49e55f198beb252a8a3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=379&height=298

somebody shoot me in the face

every time i check its another hour

[bright charm]

double it and give it to the next person

[unborn rain]

vruh

[normal mist]

Stop checking the hour and just log in when they said they would

[coral ibex]

an hour ago it said 2pm

so i check after that time

and its still down

[haughty flicker]

honestly im glad

i was getting worried when blizzard had multiple maintenances in a row be on time/early

this return to normality is good

now i dont have to do keys before raid

[fallow canopy]

just don't check

[coral ibex]

i just want to grind crests before raid

[wooden timber]

yeah i wanna be done with gilded crest forever

[buoyant herald]

I think I’m only a couple of keys short after I trade up from my 1000+ weathered and carved and my 700 runed lol

Jump from 721 to 726 or something when I can log in

[haughty flicker]

Imagine thinking you'll ever log in again

[fallen charm]

Yall are making the devs anxious, stop wanting to log in

[unborn rain]

extended till 4 bro

lolll

[reef shuttle]

It would be nice if Blizz had some transperancy when they extend maintenance a few times 😛

[balmy condor]

server's up

[hoary mist]

we live!

[marsh fjord]

Blizzard and transparancy in one sentence?

[scenic nacelle]

All this extension and broken servers for Lemix GG

[hoary mist]

keep dcn

[unborn rain]

has anyone managed to log in

my chars arent showing up

[scenic nacelle]

small indie company

[haughty flicker]

They got told they couldn't extend maintenance anymore so just put it up and continued it live

[buoyant herald]

One of my guildies got d/c and her gear upgrades got rolled back

But her valorstones are still gone 🤗

So beware of that I guess

[unborn rain]

[buoyant herald]

[onyx coyote]

it wont even show realm list forme

[tawdry halo]

hopefully servers are back up before fellowship goes down for maintenance

otherwise despairge

[onyx coyote]

it looks fixed now for some servers

its strange stormrage and area 52 always seem to hve most problems

[unborn rain]

stormrage is full of sick souls

makes sense

[marsh fjord]

@frozen iris They are transferable again

[nova kelp]

so klaus, I need more gildeds

[iron lynx]

if i have 2 myth weapons do i just go elemental focusing lens on my other crafted pieces?

[balmy condor]

you would craft an offhand with ascendance

[scenic horizon]

using latest sim, and I know everyone is going to sim diffy but its saying 730 lily from the vault is worse than my hero track prism. Does lily undersim or prism is just that good?

[balmy condor]

prism is probably just that good

and/or you already have a lot of mastery

the more mastery you have, the worse lily gets

[unique flame]

anyone else dealing with this

[scenic horizon]

Ah thats why. I'm sitting at 81% mastery. Gonna sim some recrafts and see if that changes.

[marsh fjord]

I know it says 13 on the screen but did you time it?

[unique flame]

yes

I have resil 13s

[marsh fjord]

Ah well then its bugged 😄

[unique flame]

yea

[marsh fjord]

Thanks for beta testing i geuss 😄

[unique flame]

[balmy condor]

resil 13's with a champ pacemaker

is diabolical

[unique flame]

lol

[balmy condor]

not even an on use

[unique flame]

i havent got any other trinkets :/

[balmy condor]

insane work tbh, respect that

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/warcraft-gaming-gif-27702118

[unique flame]

i should prob try and pug raid tbh

[indigo thicket]

any good ds double vanish build for soul hunters?

[marsh fjord]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/the-soul-hunters

[frozen iris]

I saw that. Thanks

[marsh fjord]

You're welcome

[still glade]

Yes. I'm not 3000 though. Maybe that's the problem? though I also have some trinkets I CAN buy, and not just ones I own. Brain hurts.

[unique flame]

i think it's bugged

[still glade]

I'd suspect a bug but there's no way, their dev team is way to on the ball.

[marsh fjord]

lol

[past bobcat]

pacemaker is marginally worse than antenna right?

[marsh fjord]

Simming is better. but generally speaking yes.

But a LFR atenna against a mythic pacemaker im pretty sure pacemaker beats that

[unborn rain]

disable all addons

[marsh fjord]

Getting ready for midnight already?

[unborn rain]

yeah

braillemoding from here on out

[hexed harbor]

has anyone managed to see or find out if the artifact skin for assa is available?

bonebreaker or whatever?

[strange moss]

For sin rogue on raid my fellow raider said we should stay above 150 energy so we can maximise on damage during cds. Is this correct or should it be higher?

[waxen oyster]

they never removed it after legion

[unborn rain]

no

press ur buttons as fast as u can

[shadow gyro]

you want to have some stacks of thistle tea left for your burst phases so thats why its good not to go under 30 energy, but if you can avoid using teas and can pool some energy for cd's you should be fine going under 150

but im no expert

[snow hamlet]

me too

[hexed harbor]

yeah but someone mentioned that noone confirmed if they were something we could get or not

ive been trying to get it but dont know if i can or no or if its just super frickin rare

[waxen oyster]

depends what blizz said idk

[night vessel]

What happened???

[haughty flicker]

i started playing again

[night vessel]

Oh Okey

[dreamy quail]

is fatebound bugged again?

[haughty flicker]

its never been not bugged

you'll have to be more specific

[dreamy quail]

the bug where heads isnt working

[coral ibex]

i just got a 4th dinar

and the quest for a 5th

is this intended

[haughty flicker]

probably not

but keep going

[hexed harbor]

we dont ask questions here

[fallow canopy]

exploit early

[hexed harbor]

keep going

[coral ibex]

oh apparently its not timegated anymore

is what im being told

[hexed harbor]

Nice

[humble verge]

sounds like a lie

[thorny pond]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[fallow canopy]

just recleared soulbinder with internal bleeding

[buoyant herald]

someone's gotta top boss damage, might as well be you

[tawdry halo]

gimped boss damage by the 2min CDs on deathstalker

you hate to see it

[knotty vapor]

can't kill forge cuz people wont stop dying to fucking pylon balls

😐

save me

100 pulls in

mfs still can't move

[tawdry halo]

my guild still needs like 5-6 attempts each week on reclear for the same reason

dodge balls too hard gg

[tawdry halo]

got any benched players with better execution?

damage probably not an issue if everyone lives

[knotty vapor]

nope

almost no bench

cycled through them already

[tawdry halo]

[knotty vapor]

[tawdry halo]

is it the whole raid or like 1-2 people with the spatial awareness of a discarded tissue?

[marsh fjord]

Bro we are on nexus king, and we skipped reclearing, because we are stuck on araz because people couldnt dodge the circles on the ground man

one night we were just stuck after killing it already lol

[knotty vapor]

yeah that happened to us on loom for a week

[haughty flicker]

lmao i just looked at the top assa log for fract

actually went araz and gambad to get the cd bug

thats so funny

[fallow canopy]

living by the gamba

[storm forum]

fuck i wish my rogue was geared i wanna gamba

[fallow canopy]

since the coins has a further travel time on frac maybe its easier to replicate

[coral ibex]

happened to us last tier on sprocket

we locked out on mugzee

bc oab prog was just wiping to sprocket for 2-3 hours every week before we could prog

[haughty flicker]

like this has to be criminal

its john fatebound

[tawdry halo]

[marsh fjord]

yeah but sprocket i understand

but araz bro 😄

[visual sun]

lol are top logs just gambling for good cdr rng and banking on 2nd on use

[marsh ferry]

Had this happen to me once

[strange moss]

for araz when should you be rupturing the other mobs besides araz?

most logs i look at around my kill time have 4.7k raw gain from venomous vim and i only have 3.7k

[granite sentinel]

cooking

[snow hamlet]

[coral ibex]

they fixed the uncapped dinars

while im in raid and couldn't capitalize

i knew it

[buoyant herald]

traded up all my crappy crests and went 721 --> 728, turboboosted all right

[oak tangle]

with my gear atm, best i can do is 724

[fallow canopy]

same, I wasn't unethical enough

[sharp viper]

Exploit early and often

NA privilege

[golden loom]

Imagine having stuff to dinar

rogue only needs soul hunter boots but we wont re-clear them until dimmy dies

[strange moss]

where is the mythic dinar vendor?

[runic hinge]

Next to the other one

[waxen oyster]

literally just bought araz to play double on use for sub sometimes

[strange moss]

ah go0tcha

[waxen oyster]

maybe dimmy ring but that shit barely has any crit on it

not pog for fb

[frozen iris]

Im cooked. Probably being benched on soul hunters. Im just above tanks

for damange

When would you swap to fatebound for soul hunters

[tawdry halo]

you wouldnt

[frozen iris]

I see 27% of people useing fb on soul hunters and there are some great logs

[haughty flicker]

iff youre already doing tnak damage

ytou might as waell try

literally cant get worse rigfht

damn typing is hard

[oak tangle]

yeah you good bro

[haughty flicker]

bames jonds ahveing a stronk

apparently

[coral ibex]

ur just playing it like a 3 mob m+ pull

are you in m+ spec?

bleed build?

[frozen iris]

bleed build

I guess im just not good enough to keep buffs up all the time.

[rotund oak]

[haughty flicker]

ngl i think sub is unironically easier on dh if you can play it

blades naturally lines up with times they're stacked

[tawdry halo]

those fatebound logs are compelling and I have only questions

[haughty flicker]

otherwise just press dance when they're stacked

and gg

[haughty flicker]

[frozen iris]

I wish i was good on Sub but i thought i was a one trick

We should be use fan of knives with 3+ targets right?

[haughty flicker]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[haughty flicker]

looks like it for the most part in bleed build

[tawny geyser]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[frozen iris]

Heres logs for all wipes

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xVmwjzJ6r43KfRBT

[tawny geyser]

Which timed key gives 20 gilded?
Is it 12 or higher?

[haughty flicker]

im basically useless at reading logs outside of fract ngl

but we tyr

also yes 12s give 20

[tawny geyser]

Good, ty!

[haughty flicker]

ok well right away the random fight i clicked on

you shiv late in your dm on opener and then like

just dont press it again

you also kinda just press vanish for fun

instead of pressing it to spread garrotes and ruptures

oh i guess you died this pull which also doesnt help

i look at another

but not dying will probably help your damage too

[coral ibex]

this can't be right

[frozen iris]

This is all prog. I dont die every pull

[coral ibex]

i picked a random pull

[haughty flicker]

ok you did the same thing again on this pull

use your shivs

[coral ibex]

are you only shivving once

do you only have one shiv?

you shoud have 2 shiv uses every 2m

and then ur dry shiv

[haughty flicker]

sjiv as beleed uild is like the most important thing you cam possibly be doing

fix that and you will be beating tanks for sure

[coral ibex]

shiv is literally what the tier set is all about as deathstalker

[haughty flicker]

use 2 every deathmark otherwise send that shit every time you can when you'll hit aalll theree

[coral ibex]

compare to my last kill

look at how many shivs i have

and i always shiv when i hit all 3

[haughty flicker]

im gonna be perfectly honest

[coral ibex]

also ur dying a lot

which is obviously not good

[haughty flicker]

no flame here but dying the most in your raid

is not a good look

that will help your damage more than the shivs

[frozen iris]

Did i really die the most?

[coral ibex]

yes

[haughty flicker]

even ignoring events after a couple deaths you're still top 5

[haughty flicker]

the stats we're looking at is how early in the fight you die

compared to everyone else

total deaths is useless bc you might get brezed then die again on wipe or some shit

[coral ibex]

you are dying early a lot and playing incorrectly due to low shiv usage, which is why your damage is low

[haughty flicker]

one major thing is you arent pressing evasion at all

deathstalke rand elusivness both give evasion dr

[coral ibex]

you aren't vanishing during DM

[haughty flicker]

use it when you're taking damage

it bigly

[coral ibex]

you should vanish at 12s left on DM every time

unless you already have master assassin up

[night vessel]

so i'll try this again. what exactly happened here? i switched so sub after soul hunters. seems like assa is stronk again?

[coral ibex]

nothing happened, assa has been good

fatebound did get a small buff

[haughty flicker]

you also seemingly dont have healthpot bound

[night vessel]

buff or bug fix?

[coral ibex]

also add damage no longer matters

[golden loom]

people get more gear and damage buffs -> adds die faster etc -> sub boss dam is way way worse -> assa stocks rise

[haughty flicker]

its better to press pot too often than not at all

[coral ibex]

same thing

[haughty flicker]

i started playing agian

[golden loom]

even before bugfix assa boss damage was always better compared to sub

[night vessel]

you said that already. Raidlead told me to play sub for saladbar and dimensius

[haughty flicker]

raidlead is possibly correct

it depends

if platforms are an issue sub is still better

[coral ibex]

yea

[haughty flicker]

if platofmrs area dyting anyway then assa is prob better

atm

[frozen iris]

it looks like i ran out

[coral ibex]

if your raid sucks at bursting adds then you should prob play sub

[golden loom]

if u need to play sub for platform damage at this point though (after turboboost) then u might have bigger issues

[coral ibex]

yea they have to like

literally fucking blow

like unable to find their keyboard

[haughty flicker]

we havent even gotten to platforms yet

garf

[golden loom]

randomside sidenote I just did my first heroic dimmy pug in like 2 months

[haughty flicker]

well we have but like

half the raid was dead

[night vessel]

yeah so platform dies if everyone is alive

[golden loom]

firstplatform add died before adds spawned pretty much

[night vessel]

otherwise we have to go again

[haughty flicker]

yeah if platforms arent a pain point definitely go assa

[frozen iris]

Should i run elusivness for this fight?

[haughty flicker]

i run cheat on most fights

[coral ibex]

i mean you should run elu in m+

[haughty flicker]

bc i suck

[coral ibex]

and you run m+ build for soul hunters

i literally didnt change my build at all

[golden loom]

I run cheat in m+

and I used m+ build for soul hunters

[haughty flicker]

show raid lead this if they have an issue with assa

[coral ibex]

silence fury warrior

[haughty flicker]

if platforms arent an issue

[golden loom]

and then I wasnt in on prog kill

[haughty flicker]

assa blows sub out of water on boss damage

[buoyant herald]

Don’t you just get mc’d instead of cheat proccing on salad bar?

[haughty flicker]

yeah cheat useless on salad bar

i got elu there

[coral ibex]

usually yea

[golden loom]

if you "die" in p1 yeah

[oak tangle]

you cheat them trying to kill you

XD

[haughty flicker]

but on dh i played cheat

[golden loom]

but after p1 you can cheat death

[haughty flicker]

which is the fight hes on

[frozen iris]

Why 12 sec? And what buffs evasion dm?

[haughty flicker]

well its vanish not evasion

[coral ibex]

because master assassin is a 12 second buff

[haughty flicker]

you want to get another imp gar and shit

and ma

into dm

[coral ibex]

and so is imp gar/shrouded suff

spreading imp gar to all 3 bosses

[golden loom]

in the opener on soul hunters for example you open from stealth -> have MA for 12 seconds -> you deathmark during that at like idk 6 seconds remaining or whatever, then as that buff runs out you vanish

[exotic hearth]

Random question. Is there any reason to have more than 100% crit in lemix? Like is there any diminishing where you need like 120% to make everything crit?

[haughty flicker]

uh

pron just 100%

[balmy condor]

100%

[haughty flicker]

i dont think theres ahy vebeniuft going above

nemefot

wow

benefit

[night vessel]

yeah i personally just thought sub was better there so i played sub. blowing away the platform adds with my frost dk mate

[haughty flicker]

ye big sectec damage on adds is always fun

[night vessel]

but assa cooldowns probably don't sync as well as subs?

[coral ibex]

theyre the same

[golden loom]

they are both the same

[haughty flicker]

well both are 1:30

[balmy condor]

both 1:30 specs yeh

[haughty flicker]

like assa will be a couple seconds behind bc its opener is slower but not enough to matter

[night vessel]

so pull - 3rd spirits - plattform - dmg amp?

[oak tangle]

bro's actually stroking

[haughty flicker]

i might be slightly drunk

[balmy condor]

bro is what

[haughty flicker]

we wont talk about it

[frozen iris]

How does deathstalker give evasion dr?

[vestal granite]

stroking what

[balmy condor]

bait and switch

[golden loom]

yeah then u can just prism on 3rd spirits -> hold vanish on platform and save it for amp

[haughty flicker]

talent gives it 20% magic dr

[balmy condor]

ye

[frozen iris]

THX

[haughty flicker]

then you're also playing elu which gives it more dr

makes it a very good defensive

[frozen iris]

1st dm comes off cd during DB is there anyreason to hold DM till after

[night vessel]

kk perfect

[frozen iris]

inter

[haughty flicker]

i think you wait until intermission ends to dm

mainly just so you trinket with everyone up

and vanish

but i played sub so not sure

that just makes sense to me

[coral ibex]

both are 1:30 there's no difference

you dont hold

you just send on CD

[haughty flicker]

well this is dh

[golden loom]

hes talking about soul hunters

[haughty flicker]

hes deathstalker

[coral ibex]

oh

[haughty flicker]

its 2m

[golden loom]

where u hold DM in the first intermission

[coral ibex]

im getting wires crossed

[golden loom]

to then slam it when they come down

[coral ibex]

yes

you hold DM for all 3 to be around

[waxen oyster]

i just play sub on dhs

less brain

[frozen iris]

Use evasion dr for soaks?

i feint usually during the soaks

[haughty flicker]

i didnt look too deep into when you're actually dying

but its better to press it than not

[waxen oyster]

i just feint whenever

[haughty flicker]

hunt makes sense

[waxen oyster]

i feel my hp is moving

on dhs

[haughty flicker]

maybe on spirit bomba

[waxen oyster]

also because frailty hurts

[haughty flicker]

dont get hit by eye beam either

you died a few times to that

i ate that shit all the time too tho so i cant talk

[frozen iris]

Yeah

[waxen oyster]

same

never die to it

[haughty flicker]

eyeveam is graen candy

[waxen oyster]

its usually because tanks put a frailty there

so i zig instead of zag

when grabbing

and get hit by one tick

[haughty flicker]

idf if you record yourself playing

but when i started doing that and reviewing

i mustve gotten twice as good at raiding

[coral ibex]

my secret is i never grabbed a frailty circle

[haughty flicker]

definitely worth doing

[coral ibex]

in all of prog and kills

[waxen oyster]

were you not assigned

[haughty flicker]

we had dks do it

but i grabbed anyway

bc they slow fuckers

[waxen oyster]

you had 3 dks?

[coral ibex]

no

[haughty flicker]

it never really felt scary anyway

we had 2 dks

it was dks and off tank

[waxen oyster]

oh offtank only grabbed sometimes for us

[haughty flicker]

idk i misse dlike 3 weeks of prog

showed up[ last night and killed in 7 pulls

[vestal granite]

team if I had 2x 730 dagger is it better replace my ascendance dagger?

[haughty flicker]

the last night not actually last night

[haughty flicker]

maybe as sub with prism, prob not as assa

but can sim

not prism

the other embel

[waxen oyster]

sub can prob play it easier

[haughty flicker]

focusing lens

[waxen oyster]

especially since you can just lens on any piece you dont have 730

prob jewels

[haughty flicker]

@tawny geyser use it with vanish btw

as fatebound

with deathstalker can just macro to deathmark

[waxen oyster]

its weird as someone

whos basically played with prism all tier

[tawny geyser]

Do I just macro to Vanish? I just bought it with Dinars, but unsure how to play it.

I’m on mythic dimi

[haughty flicker]

ye can macro to vanish, just be sure to vanish before deathmark

so prism buffs the coin flips

[waxen oyster]

thats the easy way to

[tawny geyser]

Or do I just have it seperate and activate only on 18 stacks?

[haughty flicker]

if you use it with vanish every 3m it'll be stacked fully anyway

[waxen oyster]

should be 18 at 3mins

[tawny geyser]

Okay cool
So it would look like this
Envenom, Shiv, Vanish+Prism, Deathmark, KB?

[haughty flicker]

ye that looks right

[tawny geyser]

And on pull if I activate it? Does it mess up with stacks? Because it will probably activate itself since I got it macroed and we also need to vanish on opener, or do I just make diff binds , one for vanish and one for vanish+prism

[golden loom]

nope

[haughty flicker]

ot dpesnt matter ye

[golden loom]

macro and forget

[tawny geyser]

Okay, thanks. That’s all I needed to know. ✌️

[golden loom]

also if u need to use it on a non-vanish cd usage (for example boss is dying before) u just press vanish

and its a trinket bind

[haughty flicker]

this is where i'd put my prism macro

if i hjad one

[waxen oyster]

tbh kills so short

[haughty flicker]

still using lily

[waxen oyster]

im sending mini sticks

[haughty flicker]

bc this late in the tier im somehow still not being given prism

[waxen oyster]

with a kb as boss is dying

[tawny geyser]

Same, but thats why we got the dinar now

[haughty flicker]

ye i dinared boots

bc ot was bigger upgrade but also rl has decide we just arent reclearing dh

because we suck dick at it

[tawny geyser]

Sim shows Prism is 1.9% for me
Everything else is 0.8% upgrade😂

[haughty flicker]

if only i had abused the extra dinar quests

but i had to raid

[waxen oyster]

i think i've been vanishing after my dm and kb coins fly

[haughty flicker]

f

[waxen oyster]

oops

only thing i could dinar was araz

[oak tangle]

i can only dinar m+ and apparently not all atm, cause you gotta do a 12... again

[haughty flicker]

small indie comapny

it only took 5 maintenanc eextensions and they almost sorta got it right

[waxen oyster]

m+ loot is highkey butt

this tier

[haughty flicker]

yeaj

normally theres at least decent trinkets but like

imagine not using prism and antenna

[vestal granite]

pacemaker is great almost as good as antenna

[haughty flicker]

pacemaker is for nerds

but ye it isnt bad

if you cant get antenna

or suck at eating balls

[oak tangle]

i may have to rock a myth pacemaker cause i cant get myth antenna

[haughty flicker]

honestly with how often orbs spawn just in time fo rme to sprint awya from them on salad bar

i only got myth antenna tonight

[waxen oyster]

pacemaker aint bad

[haughty flicker]

was using warbound one i got from hunter on heroic before now lmfao

[waxen oyster]

i cant complain since it was my first vault

this tier

[haughty flicker]

my vaults were impressively dogshit

i used all my luck last tier

had none fo this one

[waxen oyster]

i've taken 3 sockets in a row

so ig i used my good rng for the tier

[oak tangle]

i got loom dagger from my first 2 myth raid slot

so i win some i lose some

[waxen oyster]

but im basically done gearing almost

barring a neck and ring

[haughty flicker]

i'll be sing a lot of crafted gear

if i bother doing keys for crests

also still havfe champ prism on sub

but i dont think platforms will be an issue so im playing assa

[waxen oyster]

yeah crafted neck and ring for me

[haughty flicker]

so at least i have myth lily

[vestal granite]

its week 11 and I can finally replace my champion track Ring with a crafted one xddd

dog game

[analog field]

Guys , I have myth lily and today in vault Pacemaker. We will stop reclearing so i have to buy both trinkets probably. Netherprism seems the correct choice i guess for m+ also but lily and antena is the same as pacemaker and prism. Could it be worth to take the antena ?

[haughty flicker]

uh

[balmy condor]

why not both?

[analog field]

i mean where to use my chip

[balmy condor]

you get 3

you can just

get both

[analog field]

yes i was talking about today

prism more value i guess for m+ also ?

[haughty flicker]

i mean its just a sim angle no

just watever sims better in the content you value more

then buy the other in 3 weeks

pr niu bppts amd cata them, for transmog

[tidal hatch]

in my mind antenna/araz seems like the ideal m+ setup but my rogue is an alt barely breaking resil 14 so im no expert

[waxen oyster]

we've had 10 vaults so far right

[haughty flicker]

ye and like 6 sockets

[analog field]

My sim apart from prism antena has lily antena, prism pace maker and prism lily practically same

[haughty flicker]

spimds ;ole its jard to make a bad cjoice then

[waxen oyster]

i've only had 3

[oak tangle]

i took a socket this week, and felt good about it

[haughty flicker]

there is something satisfying about having all sockets

even if it does next to nothing

[waxen oyster]

yeah i took the third one i needed

for belt

w1-pace
w2-chest
w3-head
w4-ring
w5-belt
w6-should
w7-antenna

[haughty flicker]

i missed a few weeks f vault bc of internet issues

so this tier has not been great

i got a lily early which was nice ig

[waxen oyster]

idk how our lootcouncil gave me prism

[tidal hatch]

good news the season still has a gooooood long while left

[waxen oyster]

on 3 difficulties

unlucky since we havent had one drop since