wdym
#assassination
ancient ingot
red schooner
wdym
Say you and someone else roll 100 on an item, the game does a second roll but doesn't tell you the results and awards it to whoever wins.
ancient ingot
Say you and someone else roll 100 on an item, the game does a second roll but do...
sad, sometimes hidden sometimes not?
red schooner
sad, sometimes hidden sometimes not?
I think it's always hidden
pastel roost
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
marsh fjord
Last info I got is to use prism with Vanish, is it still the case?
Yes
iron carbon
Or it's neutral to use every DM?
marsh fjord
Why wouldnt it be?
iron carbon
Cuz sim doesn't do that
balmy condor
it's slightly better with vanish
iron carbon
Just wanted to know if something changed ^^
balmy condor
sims are whack but I can't be fucked updating it, it's so minor
marsh fjord
Cuz sim doesn't do that
Are you a robot?
iron carbon
Are you a robot?
Why are you mean?
balmy condor
so I just could not give a shit about 0.2%
marsh fjord
Why are you mean?
Mean? in what way?
iron carbon
Sure, I understand
marsh fjord
Following the sim is not feasable to many variations.
iron carbon
Ikr, but sim follow some rules
And with Whispyr explanation, I understand why rules weren't update for prism
balmy condor
tidal hatch
https://raider.io/mythic-plus/cutoffs/season-tww-3/us
did i miss some hilarious exploit
tidal hatch
title looking extremely reasonable but im being tricked by nobody actually pushing until next week
static glacier
title looking extremely reasonable but im being tricked by nobody actually pushi...
Ngl I doubt pushing will properly be underway until a few weeks into dinars
Lots of guilds still haven’t killed dimmy / reclear’d etc
tidal hatch
surely there will be another round of class tuning and bdk will be buffed heavily
pliant remnant
Man, NA fucking sucks
static glacier
surely there will be another round of class tuning and bdk will be buffed heavil...
Bro out here with the biggest cope of all time, that bdk will be meta in modern m+ 😭
I wish for it too but it’s cope
frozen iris
How does one parse well on Mythic Araz. My logs are dogcrap on that fight. CDS with adds up at the end?
coral ibex
be in a guild that doesnt drop adds behind the pools
frozen iris
well nvm then lol
coral ibex
the faster your raid blows up the adds, the less cleave you get to do and your parse will be lower
and if they get dropped behind its gg
they rarely last long enough to sit under the boss for caustic
tidal hatch
Bro out here with the biggest cope of all time, that bdk will be meta in modern ...
no see next reset they will surely implement a change that gives bone shield 40% more armor
static glacier
no see next reset they will surely implement a change that gives bone shield 40%...
Surely they’ll just buff ds healing even more
Kekw
scarlet orbit
How does one parse well on Mythic Araz. My logs are dogcrap on that fight. CDS w...
Change the logs to boss dmg only and ignore that the adds exists 🙂
static glacier
That’s what blood needs, even more healing
jaunty sky
How does one parse well on Mythic Araz. My logs are dogcrap on that fight. CDS w...
Whats the boss dmg parse
frozen iris
last kill wasnt great but i have a purple parse
analog field
Araz now very difficult to parse especially without mythic prism. Adds in the last phase and in Intermission don't count. I somehow had 6.7 m DPS on details and 6.05 on logs
balmy condor
yeh
balmy condor
the adds spawn faster and faster
humble verge
im glad i got this
balmy condor
so longer kills could pad way harder
balmy condor
before the patch, the best strat to parse on araz was technically to just get as much CC as humanly possible
and let the adds spawn over and over and over
and essentially just minclear the boss at the last moment
to get the maximum pad
you could easily get like 1.5-2mil dps just from the last phase
shit was silly
humble verge
that basically what i did when i parsed that
i think i went in like
6
and ended on almost 7,4
i just fins this funny
balmy condor
the top log from 10.2 gets a little over 2mil dps from the now removed damage
actual insanity
frozen iris
Alot of our kills i end up dying early. Last loomithar. Had a web dropped on top of me and stunned. Then could not shadow step out and died.
coral ibex
loom you need to get 2 dm's during the amp
and also just roll heads for 3 minutes straight
humble verge
The only boss I struggle is Loom, idk why
how can you not tho
i feel loom is the easiest to parse
cause of the amp
solar wyvern
I played assa on reclear and all but 1 of 4 of our saladbar pulls i was almost 9m dps at 3% boss with cdr bug and ofc the one we kill on i dont get cdr bug smhmyhesd
Whyblizzardwhy
solar wyvern
Rank 2 or 3 iirc
thorn thorn
Whispyr I have a cook
solar wyvern
I wanna hear the cokm
Please tell me its a viable boss damage build for.m+ (fantasy land)
main bridge
viable boss damage build: reroll frost DK
thorn thorn
Please tell me its a viable boss damage build for.m+ (fantasy land)
Yes actually
Its called we buff spatter to 80% and play cleave every dungeon
solar wyvern
Its called we buff spatter to 80% and play cleave every dungeon
wait we can just do that??!?
on goodness they should just buff the DS tier to make shiv 15 seconds and increase the % gain
thorn thorn
Yea, its called work for blizzard and convince them to buff spatter
solar wyvern
make it competitive
thorn thorn
Very true
static glacier
the top log from 10.2 gets a little over 2mil dps from the now removed damage
I remember your log was kinda standard then at the end you went bonkers
on the last dm spattering onto p3 adds
balmy condor
ye
static glacier
you have alpha now ye? thoughts on ct dot spread in raid scenarios? It seems too slow but if the dots actually do really notable dps there could be demise aoe snipe shit?
idk though you'd want add spawn cadence like araz with only a few at a time after eachother
(im like 100% sure its just spatter n forget)
narrow cave
The only boss I struggle is Loom, idk why
I wish I could say the same cuz honestly I feel stupid when I raid. I can noooooot figure out my ST rotation. I do more damage to bosses with my M+ AOE spec than I do with my ST rotation and struggle to go over 3m.
Anybody feel generous enough to give me some pointers? I'll post my logs, im the only rogue in the raid.
unborn rain
are sims broken rn
humble verge
are sims broken rn
unborn rain
normal mist
I wish I could say the same cuz honestly I feel stupid when I raid. I can noooo...
just seeing your PLEXUS kill
what in the actual fuck is this
thorn thorn
Also
narrow cave
Good question lmao that's why im here
thorn thorn
Lets not run the M+ build on plexus
humble verge
CT on ST
thorn thorn
Or other pure ST bosses
humble verge
normal mist
Good question lmao that's why im here
I'd advise you to actually read the guide over on WoWhead first
because thats beyond weird
humble verge
Lets not run the M+ build on plexus
thank you for giving me a hint on what i should do on our reclear after dim
narrow cave
I promise, my ST spec is worse - I've been trying to learn this spec since the drop of S3 and cant improve. Ive tried diff builds, rotations, and keep upgrading ghear cuz I think my guild pitties me lol idk why else theyd keep carrying me through
thorn thorn
And if you are going to play the M+ build in raw ST for whatever reason
Please do not get 35% uptime on CT
unborn rain
lol
normal mist
I promise, my ST spec is worse - I've been trying to learn this spec since the d...
there are not different builds, different rotations
there's 1 rotation
and 2 (3) builds in raid
narrow cave
Thats what I mean - in M+ Im fine, I can pull 10-17 mil in packs and 2-3 on bosses but in raid Im dead last every single week
narrow cave
nothing, I think theyre confused cuz I used my m+ build in raid cuz I do better with it
tawdry halo
nothing, I think theyre confused cuz I used my m+ build in raid cuz I do better ...
you are playing the raid build wrong then
tawdry halo
aintnoway
humble verge
normal mist
@narrow cave learn the opener, learn the KB timings, learn the boss timings, GG
narrow cave
I'm a bad rogue trying to get help lol I expected to get shredded/flamed and I dont mind but I appreciate any advice
tawdry halo
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
tawdry halo
Can you access wowhead whereever you are?
brave comet
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
!tott
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
yes and Im pretty embarassed to say Ive read it 20 times over and over but Im not getting it
tawdry halo
oh ok cool cool
normal mist
yes and Im pretty embarassed to say Ive read it 20 times over and over but Im no...
have you seen the images?
narrow cave
Yes I did the macros for shiv and other CDs and then forget to use shiv apparently although I didnt realize I was forgetting that bad
dense cedar
i kinda don't get this specific issue at all
the rotational differences are almost non-existent for M+ Bleed ST vs Raid ST
tawdry halo
I think a genuinely good way to to do this would be to use the recommeded raid ST build
dense cedar
If anything Deathstalker is more work
tawdry halo
and hit some dummies
and then maybe come back to us and we can tell you where the mistakes are
normal mist
45 seconds later you'll cast KB and then shiv at the last 8 seconds before KB ends. Cast finishers at 5 or more CPS and repeat the big opener // solo KB
tawdry halo
but using the m+ build is weird because no kingsbane, you have CT, and the CDs are 2mins instead of 1min30
thorn thorn
I'm a bad rogue trying to get help lol I expected to get shredded/flamed and I d...
Genuine advice, no memes
Pull up the guide on either a second monitor or your phone and have the rotation infront of your eyes
And just practice on the dummies
Until you get the muscle memory
narrow cave
If anything Deathstalker is more work
I did less with Fatebound but I can try if you think its more work - Im open to any changes
thorn thorn
Cuz thats what you really need is just the practice with it
narrow cave
Good to know
normal mist
Always the Soul
tawdry halo
yeah dummy practice is genuinely incredible
coral ibex
as long as you make sure every single set of cds is shiv>dm>kb>refresh shiv as soon as the effect expires
narrow cave
Cuz thats what you really need is just the practice with it
I'm not gonna lie, I hate dummies, but at this point Im willing to stand there for hours cuz I need to improve or play my huntard lol
thorn thorn
Just sit there and practice the ST opener on the dummies until you get it right
coral ibex
there's not much else to do
thorn thorn
Once your opener is right the rest can be patched up
coral ibex
you just spam envenoms and upkeep rupture/garrote
thorn thorn
But a terrible opener is gonna nuke the overall of basically any spec
Especially so if the spec has big peaks
narrow cave
But a terrible opener is gonna nuke the overall of basically any spec
damn really? Ive never done rogue before now but other classes have more forgiving openers - is it really that important for rogue?
normal mist
yes
thorn thorn
I dont have the % to support this statement off rip but for now you just need to know that for most specs, a good portion of your overall damage is going to come from your opener/cd windows
desert crest
Terrible opener normally also means that the person will mess up the next cooldown set
thorn thorn
This applies to basically any spec that has a peak
humble verge
i feel like, a lot of classes do have important openers tho?
tawdry halo
Assa is a CD focused spec
thorn thorn
But the bigger their cd window peak is, the more you will notice it
coral ibex
damn really? Ive never done rogue before now but other classes have more forgiv...
this is the assa damage profile
narrow cave
Terrible opener normally also means that the person will mess up the next cooldo...
yea thats fair, Ive noticed my CDs not lining up right
coral ibex
your cd sequences matter a lot
tawdry halo
not as concentrated as SUb but so much of your damage is the deathmark window
coral ibex
they are most of your damage
desert crest
yea thats fair, Ive noticed my CDs not lining up right
There is a bug
Might not be ur fault
thorn thorn
damn really? Ive never done rogue before now but other classes have more forgiv...
Its not just a rogue thing
narrow cave
Might not be ur fault
I appreciate the sentiment but it almost certainly is lol Im baaaad as a rogue
normal mist
its a bug
desert crest
No no there is a bug where sometimes u will get 2 min deathmark and 1 min kingsbane instead of 1:30 and 45 sec
normal mist
so IF you do the opener correctly you might proc the bug
thorn thorn
If you look at a specs damage profile in WCL, ele shaman in this case, they have massive peaks between ascendance uses
desert crest
And sometimes you even get 1 min deathmark and 30 sec kingsbane
thorn thorn
And they do basically nothing outside of their cds
So your overall is heavily determined by how well you do the ascendance windows
Its similar for sin albeit not as extreme
narrow cave
dang
thorn thorn
Because ele will typically fall to tank damage when they have no cds available
They are a nuke in the form of a spec
desert crest
thorn thorn
But I just used ele because its an easy example
thorn thorn
this is the assa damage profile
You can also see it here in this image
Just focus on getting your cd windows goodge
normal mist
Use finishers ALWAYS at 5 or MORE cps
dont force 7
unless you're playing DS and you have DN
narrow cave
That I do know, Id rather use 5 than overcap
thorn thorn
Just dont worry about stupid shit
Like asking me to ask Whispyr if its better to intentionally hit less targets with fok to avoid overcapping
haughty flicker
Shiv is not gonna hurt you
ready for midnight
thorn thorn
Real
pliant remnant
What in dear fucking lord have I just witnessed in this channel
thorn thorn
Education
thorn thorn
How many of these gifs do you have
severe meadow
How many of these gifs do you have
thorn thorn
Too many is the answer
static glacier
@balmy condor "hiya, let's talk subtlety" bro I could tell from the hiya shit's cooked
thorn thorn
was their pain in the voice
slow pond
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> "hiya, let's talk subtlety" bro I could tell from the hiya...
there was a comment on the gameplay video where a guy was like "yeah bro is absolutely miserable"
nova kelp
Sub needs god. Or a full rework. It isn't "the finisher" spec anymore. And it's been moved away from the "dance window" guy. Rupture is weird. And the time spent between dances doesn't feel like it's relevant for any real reason other than waiting if you remove anything from the space. Or worse increase its presence.
I think I'ma fan of short dance with a short cd. So increase in the cadence without fucking with downtime/uptime loop or turning it into forever spam.
Turn rupture into something that buffs the dance window and do something with symb...
Oh... Wait that's legion sub. I'm a fan of legion sub.
severe meadow
im a monk player now
Monk looking fun in midnight?
A friend of mine didn’t like some of the changes
nova kelp
Most monks just rejoicing in the culling of spirit gang
thorn thorn
Monk looking fun in midnight?
Mistweaver
tawdry halo
I think I'ma fan of short dance with a short cd. So increase in the cadence with...
legion sub was chefs kiss
thorn thorn
Healing amps are kill so good enough for me
nova kelp
The spirit gang were chromosomally gifted people
thorn thorn
Better than rdruid and rsham is doing on the alpha 
thorn thorn
Ill take becoming an egirl healer if it means I dont become the regrowth bot that rdruid is becoming
nova kelp
Healing in general looks exceedingly boring on the alpha ATM. I feel like they've stripped so much from the healing role that it's too easy. Like "you're not ALLOWED to be good" easy
Or more... And worse. Too easy to be engaging easy.
thorn thorn
I have 2 perspectives of that
nova kelp
But I've been playing the game for too long. Maybe I'm out of touch
thorn thorn
Because for 1 it sucks that its become easier
However
Its better for new players
One of the new players I brought in couldnt play holy priest
A healer that presses 4 buttons and has 2 mechanics to worry about in their spec
Lightweaver and holy word cdr
Too much for them apparently
Which is why they are now playing rdruid
nova kelp
EasiER is a good thing. Healing kinda brutal ATM as a role. But every role has to at least be ENGAGING. And I don't think they have that balance right atm.
At all.
thorn thorn
It depends who you ask and what spec they play
Rsham is in the gutter rn
Legit a classic wow level of healer simplification
nova kelp
But idk yeah. I don't heal much at all ever. So I'm just looking by vibes
thorn thorn
Its also stuff like bloat being removed for simplification and to help diversify
nova kelp
It definitely makes me lesssssssssssssssssssss likely to ever consider healing though so that has to mean something
thorn thorn
The main example of this is Vivify and Sheiluns gift being effectively the same button, sheiluns replaces vivify
but vivify does more cleave healing
sheiluns more direct
nova kelp
I feel like the real litmus test for non dps roles is does it look like something that people would go "ooh I might try that"
If that number go up - good
If that number go down - no good
thorn thorn
In my opinion, the healers that are dooming on the alpha changes are just copers
Its alpha, things change a lot over its time
Its also no secret they have been wanting to push for simplification for a while
We have seen hits of it sprinkled around
nova kelp
For sure. Everything on there is "ATM"
thorn thorn
Like slice and dice being a completely useless button now
Their goal, currently, is to get rid of some of the annoying things that exist just because they do
sometimes
Some changes are like MW, they gutted all the healing amps in the specs kit and to my knowledge its a positive change since your healing cds wont need 12 different healing amps before they do real healing
But then you have rsham
Which is just a generic healing spec now
nova kelp
Their goal, currently, is to get rid of some of the annoying things that exist j...
Sub? How you Gona call sub out like that?
Lol
compact ether
Hey rogue friends with midnight removing WA how are yall gonna track your combo points?
thorn thorn
By using my unit frame like i normally do
thorn thorn
Sub? How you Gona call sub out like that?
Also the comment of rsham being a generic healing spec isnt a meme
The list of shit that got removed from it on the alpha reads like a grocery list
nova kelp
No I'm aware
They're becoming 4 button triage only healers again
The healing landscape almost feels like it's returning to PRE mop days
compact ether
By using my unit frame like i normally do
Darn is that the only way now I usually like combo points being somewhat near the centre of my screen
nova kelp
Hence I feel like they're pulling back too far on it
thorn thorn
The healing landscape almost feels like it's returning to PRE mop days
You say that but if you look at other healers they only got a few things removed
For reasons unknown they just went scorched earth on rsham
thorn thorn
Hardly
nova kelp
Moving towards "healing rotation"
thorn thorn
Rdruid still needs hots to buff regrowth
The hots do no healing now
Because regrowth has 500 modifiers
But you do need them if you want regrowth to do any real numbers
nova kelp
All hots and dots are batteries now yeah
thorn thorn
Pres is about as far from a triage healer as it gets still
MW is still fistweaving with just dot upkeep
er
hot upkeep
Rsham is basically the only one that is just mindless press spell do green number because they removed everything else
thorn thorn
rsham needs god straight up
They still have a lot of changes to make, alpha things
The pres changes accidentally made chronowarden unplayable dogshit but flameshaper very good and comfy to play now, just as comparison
I reckon it will be like that for most of the alpha
Probably beta too, across the board with specs
nova kelp
All the Dev teams got a lot on their plates ATM
They gota be Hella stressing to give a good impression
nova kelp
Bro... That poor team
It's so much
And almost guaranteed to still piss picky people off
thorn thorn
What is opie
nova kelp
If people tin foil hat theory about "console" *dun dun DUNNNNN is true then maybe I'll get an in game Opie
It's a radial wheel add-on for binds
Hyper useful
nova kelp
Is what it is though. I've been on side with remove add-ons and balance the game accordingly for a long time. Amirdrasil just made me start saying it angrily
thorn thorn
I have always been on that side since I started playing in SL
nova kelp
I kinda THOUGHT we were more likely to go in the direction of a "blizzard work bench" tbh
Like a half half approach where the ability of add-ons was governed
But they just dropped the Moab instead
thorn thorn
Their intent supposedly was to go scorched earth and reel back based on feedback according to one of the interviews
Seems believable since thats whats happening
nova kelp
Well I mean that's often the blizzard approach. Chop your arm off at the shoulder. So that when you get your bicep returned you're happy rather than mad you're still missing your hand 😂
thorn thorn
All it took was 1 week of the players saying BUT MY GAMBLING to get out of combat interactions to be allowed
And rcloot of course
But that seemed less important than the raid gambling
nova kelp
Man I'm just going to be happy I don't have to fear patch day fucking my shit up or get the raid to fight the add-on boss before we pull the raid boss anymore
"can you stream so we can see your weak auras and configure your smolderon please?"
Audible groan
"oh you have BOTH northern sky and liquid? Hmmmmmmm"
"what version do you have?"
thorn thorn
Man I'm just going to be happy I don't have to fear patch day fucking my shit up...
Elvui users not being able to play on patch day
nova kelp
I use elv. I always just turned it off for a bit myself. But Opie breaking would hurt my soul
I'm kinda calmly optimistic about the outlook either way
Just concerned about a handful of things giving a worse impression than warranted
severe meadow
Midnight could be a snooze expac
thorn thorn
Midnight is either gonna be legendary or competition for the worst xpac we have had
thorn thorn
Samesies
Even if the addon thing is botched it wont ruin the game for me personally
I already did a season addon-less and it was cake
However if content becomes too boring
Its jover
main bridge
might not be that easy when the native UI is as buggy as everything else and you can't even play 
thorn thorn
Very true
desert vault
on soul hunters the frontal cone is intermission 3 i know you can cloak and feint, does evasion work or no?
nova kelp
Slands
Slands was my lowest point
By a MMMMMMMMMMMILE
I hated everything about slands just about
Oribos lap counter was a high point
I still take issue with the fact that the player character didn't get through to the afterlife. Look around a bit. And just be like...
"Bro. Where Sylvanas? I'm joining her side and nuking this shit it's so depressing"
nova kelp
thorn thorn
it looked cool
nova kelp
I mean fair. Visual appeal is a personal thing. I'm a grizzly hills guy.
nova kelp
Actually... Zone wise. As annoying as BFA was the zones were custom built to make me cum
We had "horror zone" "pirate zone" and "Cthulhu zone"
Like
The only thing it was missing was eery bloodborne Victorian zone
balmy condor
venthyr?
half moss
So its totally normal to have assass tier set bugged the entire season with no fix in sight?
Thank God they are working on housing tho... /s
dawn pollen
So its totally normal to have assass tier set bugged the entire season with no f...
welcome to rogue
half moss
So sick of going to raid and having this RNG of horseshit.
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:
- For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
- Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
- Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
- Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
- Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
- You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
marsh fjord
!vanish
prisma monolithBOT
Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:
- Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
- Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied
As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.
coral ibex
!dj
marsh fjord
We are pestering whispyr
prisma monolithBOT
Vanishing On Fatebound
- you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
- this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
- because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
- edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
- you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst
marsh fjord
on his stream
drifting cloud
!rik
prisma monolithBOT
Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)
- Not your problem.
- Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
- If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
- Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels: - Swap to Subtlety.
coral ibex
!richard
prisma monolithBOT
unborn rain
cunning needle
!tangles
prisma monolithBOT
FOTM Info
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Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.
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Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group
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PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.
marsh fjord
oh nvm 😄
oak tangle
" one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything."
screams to me of the disclaimer on stocks / gambling
"past performance is not indicative of future results"
oak tangle
it's the end of the !fotm
tawdry halo
Oh - it sounds like the kind of thing an RL would say to make you switch to webs
coral ibex
big prog on last pull of the night
haughty flicker
my raid gets to say we technically saw p2 of nexus king
because our hunters bear just decided not to die and tanked the entire platform phase
drifting cloud
counts!
unborn rain
lol
haughty flicker
rocky the goat
flint raptor
hello guys,
can someone explain me the Rogue Tset for assa, please?
Sometimes i get 2x CD reduction in my opener, somtimes just one time.
saw the pin, sorry guys. its bugged
glacial stump
Yeah it's a fun time
You think it's something that could be an easy fix right.. right
normal mist
saw the pin, sorry guys. its bugged
Sometimes it bugs, sometimes it doesn't
ancient rain
smartest subsection of rogues, any tips on how to make sure my mount starts moving asap in dimensiuns intermission? sometimes it takes a second before it decides to fly forward
iron carbon
how can you not tho
Told you, I don't know why
Gonna wait for next clear to finally get a correct parse, maybe$
normal mist
smartest subsection of rogues, any tips on how to make sure my mount starts movi...
Spam whirlwind
Brrrrr
It's not on the gcd
spice surge
Press space once (1) before whirlwind
distant helm
One the way from platform 1 to 2 you can just run off on your mount and instantly surge forward aswell, that way you skip the spacebar and the ring above you and go for the one in front
royal hazel
!shiv
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
royal hazel
!dry shiv
torn dome
noob sim q: is there a way to sim your char so it tells you what to change?
normal mist
Yes...
You sim top gear
And press the option to "replace enchant/gems/etc" so it doesn't ignore those slots if they are already filled
torn dome
thanks @normal mist
normal mist
Hope that was the information you were looking for
peak lake
74711/2
haughty flicker
37355.5
pliant remnant
37355.5*2
rotund oak
(for the math nerds its a hamiltonian)
buoyant herald
Turbo boost is one hell of a drug
humble verge
i blame 1/6 of parses
normal mist
Turbo boost is one hell of a drug
Only if you play the game
buoyant herald
I’m trying but no one else is 🙁
humble verge
well, for once i won on loomithar
dont think i ever have
cds kinda lined up really good
ok what
getting scamazd
prime hull
i guess we should pot with execute netherprism rather than lust pull 
buoyant herald
Did you have an Aug
prime hull
well, for once i won on loomithar
i had a heart attack but it was the aug padding me
on loomithar
assa is really good on that boss
humble verge
i had a heart attack but it was the aug padding me
lolle
balmy condor
i guess we should pot with execute netherprism rather than lust pull <:monkahmm:...
usually better, yes
execute is better than lust in 95% of situations
main bridge
lock in
humble verge
buoyant herald
Embarrassing
thorn thorn
i had a heart attack but it was the aug padding me
I love to pad off the big dps
thorn thorn
<:besad:507266809431326729>
humble verge
https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lanni...
YEAH YEAH, NOW SHOW ME YOUR LOGS
fallow canopy
show me your logs (nearby trees will suffice) 
midnight scroll
i said, show me YOUR logs
show him your log
humble verge
https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lanni...
then you cannot post this gif
fallow canopy
<@197687900878405632>
yes
fallow canopy
golden loom
@humble verge pugged 5 bosses on DK now aswell, maybe im bad but I blame ilvl!!
atleast I can dinar forge or prism 
humble verge
<@191982482642436097> pugged 5 bosses on DK now aswell, maybe im bad but I blame...
yea ure prolly like 730
golden loom
717
humble verge
same same
humble verge
and no active trinket..
pliant remnant
<@191982482642436097> pugged 5 bosses on DK now aswell, maybe im bad but I blame...
Bro I've tried twice on my huntard now, but groups can never kill Forgeweaver 
I don't wanna buy a Heroic Prism
golden loom
Bro I've tried twice on my huntard now, but groups can never kill Forgeweaver <:...
just gotta highroll the groups
vale fox
is Crimson Tempest dmg linear like Rupture?
does it only increase duration with more combo points?
balmy condor
all bleeds/damage over times do equal damage per tick regardless of combo points
more combo points is more overall damage because the duration increases
if tick damage wasn't the same across all combo points, you'd have insanely janky shit where there would be a "better" combo point to cast them on
would be hellish
ripe bobcat
Hey folks, short question: if u have the problem that CB and KB are a bit off, do u sent KB or wait for CB?
main bridge
wait for CB
ripe bobcat
ok 🙂 ty 🙂
main bridge
you would
split grail
Am I stupid or is the in game cd tracker next to useless. I can't seem to get it to track debuffs so I have no idea when to reapply dots. It's just like "Yeah rupture is of cd go ahead and use it"
thorn thorn
The retail version is basically useless
The alpha version is currently much better but honestly just dont bother with the retail one currently
split grail
I thought I'd get it set up and get used to it for midnight but yeah its crap. I'm gonna miss my custom weakauras T-T
Maybe they'll dumb the game down enough we wont even need it. Everyone will jsut be using one button rotation
gritty laurel
ooh, is it doom hour already?
split grail
Honestly that not doom for me. I've always wanted extremely simple rotations and complicated boss fights. Kyveza was a great example
nova kelp
stop being concerned about the coming addon situation in midnight, the CURRENT base UI is about as close to what we'll get in midnight as oil is to water
we'll be fine
split grail
So we shouldn't try and use the features Blizz has added?
buoyant herald
So we shouldn't try and use the features Blizz has added?
quite frankly what they've done so far just isn't really sufficient, and with addons still available you'd be crazy not to just stick with it. midnight is like 4-5 months away at best
no need to try and get ahead of the setup game when the current version is way behind what they've got in alpha and are still working on
bright turret
did they ever get around to fixing the tier set desync issue
crisp sluice
Yo, hoping someone can help me. I just cleared in remix "forged for battle" to unlock "Cursed Hand" artifact appearance, and the appearance isnt in my mog page. Any ideas?
balmy condor
did they ever get around to fixing the tier set desync issue
no
bright turret
how the f
runic hinge
they tried twice and it didnt work so they gave up
proven cliff
How is my ST damage on a M+ raid boss worse or barely better than a tank?
latent kernel
Welcome to bleed build
latent kernel
How is my ST damage on a M+ raid boss worse or barely better than a tank?
It gets better once you get a good 2min trinket like prism or forge
waxen oyster
i mean why would you play sin without an on use
proven cliff
I have ritual forge hero track + pacemaker hero track
So my WA that I have always highlights garrote/rupture in stealth (including vanish) am I supposed to be spamming that in ST?
oak tangle
nope, why would spamming those abilities help
about the only reason you'd consider pressing it twice was to max pandemic the garrote, but i don't even knwo if that's currently worth it
main bridge
read your abilities and it should be obvious whether they should be spammed
thorn thorn
It may be for IC
oak tangle
what you IC'ing on ST
thorn thorn
The wrong build probably
proven cliff
Opener: Ambush > Garrote x2 > Rupture > Ambush until 5+ CP > Crimson Tempest
Maintaining CT, Rupt, and Garrote while using Enevenom at max CP or at least 5
And using any Vanish charges to use Ambush over Mut
waxen oyster
what
proven cliff
Single target damage in M+ is just not impressive I guess. only 710 ilvl.
oak tangle
And using any Vanish charges to use Ambush over Mut
dafqu is this
to use ambush over mut
wtf
waxen oyster
i mean 710 is low so damage isnt gonna be impressive anyway
but yeah didnt read what the abilities do it seems
oak tangle
Single target damage in M+ is just not impressive I guess. only 710 ilvl.
have tank pull onto bosses
ez wins
thorn thorn
And using any Vanish charges to use Ambush over Mut
waxen oyster
pure st bosses rarely happen in keys
thorn thorn
The dungeons this season for the most part have at least 1 pure ST boss, or "effectively" pure st
proven cliff
I get it all the time running 10s to build up myth vault. This is a new character with all heroic/champion gear.
thorn thorn
"effectively" is just really just the boss is far enough away from any trash that its usually not going to be worth trying to pull stuff with it
proven cliff
Isn't this why this discord exists for help/advice vs shit talking?
thorn thorn
I say it depends on the tank personally
vestal granite
its definitely for shit talking
oak tangle
it also exists to link the guides... XD
thorn thorn
Blood and brew both shit out some pretty solid dps
Especially if you ae only 710
Decent chance they get close to you
main bridge
if you want someone that kisses your ass without helping you'd love ChatGPT
proven cliff
if you want someone that kisses your ass without helping you'd love ChatGPT
I never said I wanted someone to kiss my ass but I'm also not going to entertain someone who's a total douchebag either.
main bridge
i'm not sure total douchebag is really accurate
thorn thorn
He is just shit posting, post log and we will look 
oak tangle
fg - 2/4 bosses to pull onto
gambit - 2/3 have adds or chained onto
HoA - 2/3 chained onto
ara kara - kinda dogwater for chaining yeah
dawn - 2 shit bosses, but minibosses have chains
eco dome - kinda rough yeah
priory - all minibosses with cleave, but shit bosses
streets - yeah....... gg go next, except mailroom
main bridge
they said that if your damage is below the tank, that's a skill issue. that's not wrong, and it's not like it's a personal insult or anything (like calling someone a total douchebag)
thorn thorn
fg - 2/4 bosses to pull onto
gambit - 2/3 have adds or chained onto
HoA - 2/3 ch...
Do people actually pull stuff on the second boss of priory
Its a bit of a walk to pull stuff with it
oak tangle
Do people actually pull stuff on the second boss of priory
i didn't say that, bosses are rough in priory, but half the dungeon is minibosses with funnel
earnest remnant
logs are lying 
proven cliff
I can barely get a tank to let me stealth after vanish is on CD lmao. People wanna speedrun 10s but don't do what's necessary for the group as a whole.
main bridge
!chainpull
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:
- For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
- Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
- Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
- Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
- Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
- You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
oak tangle
see that's where your mistake is
restealth is not important
unless your tank is a troll and waiting for 1% hp mobs to chain
it's shit for a feel perspective, but damage wise, you either use vanish or just take a few more seconds to spread
main bridge
i think this won't be as annoying in Midnight, at least
oak tangle
make pve vanish 30s cd and double down on the stealth damages
XD
or that one sub ability
that was a class ability for a ptach
earnest remnant
shadow dance?
oak tangle
ye
earnest remnant
was for an entire expansion but close enough
oak tangle
sad it devoled to jsut kb window dances
woulda been cool to use it as suedo restealth in keys
earnest remnant
you kinda did
oak tangle
i think i only played rogue properly for one tier of the 3 of DF, so i might be missing more context
tidal hatch
**Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:**
...
as a tank main im just starting to learn the correct chain pull timings now that im pushing 16s and 17s and need to save the extra time
dense willow
Should I be using death mark + trinket on pulls even if that means I won’t have them for boss
Struggling to compete on overall damage in keys vs like every other class
waxen oyster
Should I be using death mark + trinket on pulls even if that means I won’t have ...
depends how much value you get out of it
mighty whale
!wa
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latent kernel
Isn't this why this discord exists for help/advice vs shit talking?
dont take it personal man some people tend to get very passionate in here
latent kernel
deathmarking prio mob in low keys and having it explode from half health with sudden demise is so satisfying
oak tangle
deathmarking prio mob in low keys and having it explode from half health with su...
that happens during my kb.... not satisfying
well.. did happen
cause hybrid was a thing in the past
oak tangle
i used to think i could do mythic raiding
now i'm trying to do kyveza ??
i can't even make it past the first set of look at her soaks
real pike
they said that if your damage is below the tank, that's a skill issue. that's no...
To be fair I think it depends
My damage is frequently below our prot war on certain bosses (ones that he can spell reflect) when no adds are chained into the boss
Also I think the restealth thing is downplayed in lower keys
If you're doing +10s with overgeared people the mobs are nearly dead by the time you've used ~6 globals to put new rups up
cunning needle
i can't even make it past the first set of look at her soaks
walk backwards
then when daggers come out
walk through her first one
oak tangle
walk through her first one
we made it to there's 5 of her but you gotta follow which one.... i can't do that shit
static glacier
i can't even make it past the first set of look at her soaks
it took most people I know over a 100 pulls in pre-patch week, but once you learn it you won't fail it again
static glacier
transmog, achievements, sick toy with a cool effect for 30m and a rogue appropriate title
contract killer
plus it's actually super fun
cunning needle
a sense of pride and accomplishment
midnight scroll
we made it to there's 5 of her but you gotta follow which one.... i can't do tha...
yes you can brother
that was my biggest issue as well
static glacier
every one has a mechanic they struggle on, for me it was the ghosts like you
oak tangle
they just too fast
midnight scroll
the way i made it work is i prioritized the first 3 that come out, and then while dacing myself towards each of those, i'd look for the next 3 ones
oak tangle
also i found out i was playing in 50 fov
midnight scroll
do you have an auto hide ui wa?
static glacier
one trick is to run away from them, makes the angle to look at them more forgiving
like back pedal
while soaking em
oak tangle
so easier to see in 90 fov, but im getting hit by the blade lines now
ancient ingot
guys someone know why my default art kingsbane in legion - purple, he should be red?
midnight scroll
like back pedal
yes! i was constantly backpedaling and readjusting my character with right click and it worked
oak tangle
i got the shades down now i think. i get cooked when 2 spawn near each other cause my ass forgets which one
static glacier
guys someone know why my default art kingsbane in legion - purple, he should be ...
screenshot?
midnight scroll
i got the shades down now i think. i get cooked when 2 spawn near each other cau...
yea those overlaps can be very cringe, i found myself being like WHERE THE FUCK IS IT before dying xD
but you can definitely do it
oak tangle
does it scale with ilvl or something? how are people doing it so early
she almost cooking me at 720 with melees
midnight scroll
a friend that plays hunter told me he had to regem all his gear to vers, and another dude that i know that also did it week 1 plays warrior, i think he did it as fury
static glacier
she almost cooking me at 720 with melees
nah, it is easier with higher ilvls since you kill her much quicker, she was like 9 mins with prepatch gear
run healing bran, be tactical about when you take the healing pots
oak tangle
how are they jsut not dead tho
static glacier
use cloak for the suck in
static glacier
how are they jsut not dead tho
we had to rotate defensives and time the brann healing pot to keep its stacks up and extend it
evasion and feint are both relevant
midnight scroll
also run elusiveness
static glacier
take elusiveness, not cheat
static glacier
the ilvl jump wasnt that massive this patch
we were like 686ish
also the quality of past season trinkets was quite high for the ilvl
midnight scroll
yea two of my friends that i mentioned did it so early didn't even get the mount so they had to redo it i think 😆
midnight scroll
yea a skin
static glacier
ahhh
midnight scroll
for the delver mount
static glacier
for the glider thing
jaunty sky
Yeah for the manacutter
static glacier
ye ye
jaunty sky
Last season one was sick
This one and first season one kinda mid but im still gonna sit down and get it at some point
midnight scroll
yea last season one was the best probably, but still this season beats S1 by a long shot
jaunty sky
Last season was also the worst fight by far
Kyveza is hard but fair, maybe apart from like the massacre accuracy
That would only need a small tweak imo, or i just havent practiced it enough yet
midnight scroll
I felt like ky'veza was the easiest of all of them, maybe because zekvir was start of xpac and i was much worse at the game but yea
jaunty sky
Zekvir was REALLY easy, but i also did it very late
oak tangle
i struggled less with zekvir
midnight scroll
the underpin was on my ass though
especially when i didn't know i had to kite it in a circle
jaunty sky
I also did underpin very late but the rng on that fight was insane
oak tangle
zekvir was defensive management, whereas kyveza is pass fail
jaunty sky
especially when i didn't know i had to kite it in a circle
Then u kite him correctly, he jumps on brann for some reason and then the add spawns are fucked up again
midnight scroll
I'm ashamed to admit that i was raging so much when doing the underpin i felt like i was playing csgo again
oak tangle
BRAN PUTS TOO MUCH SHIT ON THE GROUND I CANT SEE
oak tangle
fb
oak tangle
nah im surviving the rot
i just fuck up the one shots
and i keep gettign double stacked clones
midnight scroll
i'm just happy ky'veza doesn't have waterfowl dance
static glacier
v strange, try re-colouring them again
ancient ingot
v strange, try re-colouring them again
wdym re-colouring ?
midnight scroll
man, i'm dying while looking at the clones 🙁
the time frame is very small, if you're late, and you're looking at it, it will still kill you
oak tangle
BRUH I JUST HAD 3 ON TOP OF EACHO THER
oak tangle
the time frame is very small, if you're late, and you're looking at it, it will ...
don't let your dreams be dreams
vestal wren
orchid moth
Bro if you arn't wiping that's disgusting
oak tangle
need more protein. enough protein and you can go for a no wiper
ruby thistle
Hi all! QQ-I just had a warrior in a 15 halls shouting at me for not taking wound poison on the miniboss...am I in the wrong here for not switching? Just wanted to know. Also does it matter if I take wound over another lethal if I were to go into a higher key than that?
normal mist
You're not
static glacier
wdym re-colouring ?
unlock those and click another then back again to red
golden loom
Hi all! QQ-I just had a warrior in a 15 halls shouting at me for not taking woun...
you should deffo wound poison the miniboss yeah
if you have no other antiheal effects
ruby thistle
you should deffo wound poison the miniboss yeah
Oh…ok ty!
normal mist
you should deffo wound poison the miniboss yeah
I can't remember when it was but I was positive that it wasn't 100% needed, maybe I'm misremembering
golden loom
if it gets heals off
having healing reduction
is insane dps
especially since spatter doesnt funnel
oak tangle
it's an angle of, does the wound poison let you kill it before another cast or not
and that aint math im doing
analog field
Just swap 10sec before cast, and then back again
golden loom
like idk
the only thing u gain from deadly poison there is spatter
and spatter does jack shit outside of padd details
doing damage to useless mobs
and like sure deadly poison damage is higher ofc but thats irrelevant if your wound poison blocks 100s of millions of healing
split cipher
Should have told him to swap arms
wispy scroll
if a pack lives longer then your inital application of rupture with IC, is it worth to reapply rupture manually to each mob or just cleave with spatter? thanks
analog field
apply 5 for scent
ancient ingot
unlock those and click another then back again to red
It’s addon?
desert vault
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
prisma monolithBOT
Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:
- Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
- Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied
As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.
normal mist
^ it's official
vestal granite
did they fix some bugs with fatebound or something I feel more energy starved than last week
(with slightly better gear today)
golden loom
nope
vestal granite
and didnt introduce new ones either right?
golden loom
nope
vestal granite
then m,aybe just low/highrolling idk
unborn rain
the crushing highs and lows of assassination rogue in 2025
vestal granite
man I had an araz pull with 7mil dps before pots/hero burn and everything ready my team wiped
oak tangle
i mean.. they did fix some bugs with fatebound, but there is legitimately zero reason it would affect energy
golden loom
its like 3 weeks since the damage fix
unborn rain
man I had an araz pull with 7mil dps before pots/hero burn and everything ready ...
thats pretty usual
that was 3-4 pulls before our first kill
oak tangle
i think it was last week, cause i remember being mad that we didnt do myth prog after my buff
golden loom
?
haughty flicker
oak tangle
i just assumed you were tryna gaslight XD
golden loom
nah
oak tangle
that was when we found or rather announced the bug
golden loom
idk time moves so fast that it wouldnt have surprised me if it was 3 weeks ago
feels like it was just may and now its october
oak tangle
lemix cooked me
fallow canopy
^ it's official
Congratulations brother, wishing you the best king 
native heron
!wa
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keen spruce
<@119274470241206273> I find myself looking after your brethren
Those look like goose babies
clever sparrow
do you guys suggest paying for a coach?
grim jay
do you guys suggest paying for a coach?
Thats a really subjective topic tbh. People that tend to not need one will tell you no, people that dont value being better as much will tell you no, people that dont have that kind of money to spare will tell you no
Does it work? Yes for sure, if you get a good one
Do you absolutely need it to improve and get where you wanna be? No, not really
clever sparrow
Do you absolutely need it to improve and get where you wanna be? No, not really
im just stuck
feeling stuck
and it making me burnout
like i have no reason to log into my rogue anymore
golden loom
what kind of content are u doing and aiming for
clever sparrow
what kind of content are u doing and aiming for
Both M+ and raids
grim jay
feeling stuck
Stuck at what point
golden loom
yea but like what level are u at and what do u want to reach
clever sparrow
on shit parses
in dungeons im getting tilted like animals
on a small mistake of my own
( like dying to some random shit mechanic)
wanted to push for the title
but i can feel thats not a thing for me (YET)
grim jay
on shit parses
Parses in raids are so much more than your personal performance
But people in here do log reviews
For that atleast you dont need to pay anything
clever sparrow
Parses in raids are so much more than your personal performance
when someone in my group can do 98
then its my fault to do shitty logs
grim jay
when someone in my group can do 98
If its the same spec yes, likely
If it isnt, not necessarily
coral ibex
do you guys suggest paying for a coach?
absolutely not
you'd be paying for information that is freely given in guides and this discord
unless you have a parasocial relationship with some content creator and want to spend time with them
its just a waste of money
golden loom
unless you have a parasocial relationship with some content creator and want to ...
do you offer coaching 
grim jay
so will whispyr coach me
If you pay him maybe
coral ibex
runic hinge
pay him in feet pics
coral ibex
the reason coaching for irl sports makes sense is because "irl log review" requires actual expertise. when i get golf lessons its because i can't digitally analyze my swing and have a website tell me to lower my angle of attack slightly
you can just log yourself in wow and compare what you do to what the guides say and to better players directly
clever sparrow
the reason coaching for irl sports makes sense is because "irl log review" requi...
lol
my main problem is
i cant understand
how to read my logs
im trying to apply whatever i learned
coral ibex
post them here and many people will be happy to tell you exactly when and how you fucked up
clever sparrow
tried posting it a few times got no answer :3
coral ibex
most of assa damage comes from doing your cooldown sequence properly
clever sparrow
so i gave up
real pike
The coaching thing is a bit mad because you get lessons for nearly everything else in life. Want to get better at tennis? You get coaching. Want to get better at guitar? You get lessons. Want to get better at kickboxing? No one sits at home just watching replays of themself and youtube vids, they go and get lessons. But there is such a massive stigma around getting coaching for vidya
real pike
I personally wouldn't pay for lessons and I know it's a stupid pride thing but I can't help it
coral ibex
The coaching thing is a bit mad because you get lessons for nearly everything el...
because in irl sports, what you can do isn't limited by a game engine and the rules of the game
you can literally move your body however you want at any time
in a video game, your actions are very much constrained to things which are defined as possible
so the limit to possible fuck ups is much smaller compared to irl
haughty flicker
i feel like your actions irl are limited by whats possible too
clever sparrow
physic engine :3
grim jay
i feel like your actions irl are limited by whats possible too
Who are you to tell anyone have many sausages fit into their mouth
coral ibex
i feel like your actions irl are limited by whats possible too
yea but irl you can make much more creative mistakes
you can be wrong in many more extreme ways
there's no way to press shiv "wrong" other than at the wrong time
real pike
I think it depends on the game to an extent. Wow is pretty closed
Something like Rocket League for example
That's much closer to the irl do anything type genee
grim jay
so the limit to possible fuck ups is much smaller compared to irl
For video games it mostly comes down to how the person is actually learning things. Some people dont get much out of reading, they need live help, thats how it exists and works better for some
real pike
Genre
coral ibex
Something like Rocket League for example
yea i agree
and im not saying no video games can deserve coaching
grim jay
Something like Rocket League for example
LoL is a good example aswell
coral ibex
coaching for mobas makes a lot of sense
there are sooooo many interactions to have to learn
real pike
LoL is a good example aswell
Yeah was thinking that
coral ibex
you can play for thousands of hours and be a beginner
clever sparrow
i got 3k mmr in 1 month
real pike
I would love to get League coaching but again I'm too stupid prideful
It just feels wrong
I'm sure the improvement would be wild tho
coral ibex
like in league you can get a tip about controlling the placement of your cursor better
clever sparrow
I would love to get League coaching but again I'm too stupid prideful
rocket league? or lol
coral ibex
and have it actually be relevant
clever sparrow
lol
real pike
rocket league? or lol
LoL, I don't play RL any more, that was always more casual to me
clever sparrow
in moba game its like a jump in your gamplay
waxen oyster
People do coaching more in wow pvp i feel
real pike
I used to play League pretty seriously but that was when the general level was way lower
clever sparrow
cause it will change your mindset xd
waxen oyster
even if technically pvp has a limited number of “reasonable” actions
that other team will take
coral ibex
well yea any time you are playing vs human opponents
coaching is much more relevant
ai can only act in ways they're programmed to
humans will always innovate strategy
waxen oyster
Although arguable i guess the highest end pvpers think
there will only be 3-4 choices in a scenario
that players that know what they’re doing will do
coral ibex
cause it will change your mindset xd
can you share a log that you wanted advice on
clever sparrow
can you share a log that you wanted advice on
Okay imma look for it
tbh all of my single target fights need review cause im 100% doing lots of things WRONG
like this loom fight
coral ibex
ok so playing with prism on fatebound is finnicky
you want to use the 18 stacks on an execute DM
clever sparrow
ok so playing with prism on fatebound is finnicky
what should i use?
clever sparrow
you want to use the 18 stacks on an execute DM
OH
coral ibex
so you should have sent prism at 1:30 and then at 4:30
since you generate 18 stacks over 3ish mins
if you have lily its often better
coral ibex
since you only have hero prism then yea i would get a lily too
on 5m fights lily usually sims higher than prism
for me
coral ibex
no