assassination

[simple pumice]

I didnt have enough crests during that I think its 730 now

[oak tangle]

oof

[simple pumice]

ya the crest cap is hurtin me bad

[oak tangle]

also, you beansed your shivs in opener

and your solo kb ones seem late

[jolly stirrup]

Whats EAB?

[simple pumice]

wait no shot I did it again on the kill pull lol

[oak tangle]

extra action button

[jolly stirrup]

Oh you can do that during Pushback already?

Good to know, we use clock for wall then?

[oak tangle]

ye

it keeps you in place

[jolly stirrup]

Cloak

[oak tangle]

then you can use step at the last second

and having cloak for wall is good too cause damage being done then

[jolly stirrup]

Thanks! I will optimize that for next reclear

Btw, Loomi still hasnt dropped a single Antenna for my Guild

[simple pumice]

wait yea my opening is turbo fucked, its always cuz my fps tanks during pull and Im a button spammer so I just gotta lock in to not accidentally miscast shit

[jolly stirrup]

The opener is almost like meditating for me

Brain go off, press buttons the same way we always do

I swear my brain shuts down during Raid

[oak tangle]

can use the cast sequence macro on it

[jolly stirrup]

Only thing thats annoying is when Mutilate doesnt take me above 5cp in the opener

[oak tangle]

i'm constantly playing parry wars with my tanks

[jolly stirrup]

Explain

[oak tangle]

they face bosses certain ways

and that way is not consistent

[jolly stirrup]

Oh?

[oak tangle]

not enough frontals this raid

[jolly stirrup]

Does it matter from where I attack? I didn't know

[oak tangle]

yes

bosses can parry you

[jolly stirrup]

So I always want to be behind them

[oak tangle]

yes

[jolly stirrup]

Tmyk

[thorn thorn]

Parry is thematic

[real pike]

Bro will never know the pain of getting opening KB parried

And then sitting there hoping for a wipe the whole pull

[red schooner]

Twice in a row on queen prog

Almost alt-f4'd

[real pike]

Ye queen was particularly bad for it

[visual hemlock]

can i solo soak hunt on mythic demonhunters as a rogue?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[visual hemlock]

gotcha

[midnight scroll]

Queen and Vexie were parrying the shit out of my kbs

[lusty kraken]

yes and it's very recommended to do so

[humble verge]

its, friday - u know what that means

[peak bobcat]

If I get the cdr bug should I still hold KB for cold blood and send at 45 and 1:30 still

[midnight scroll]

ye you can wait for cb to send it

i'm not sure how much of a loss it is to send without cb

i doubt it matters that much though, it's just what you're more comfortable with

[midnight scroll]

i'm starting to like these lil mfs ngl

[hearty seal]

can Dimensius parry tho
all those big bosses with huge hitboxes that sometimes force you to stand in front of them
can they still parry?

[balmy condor]

yes

dimmy loves to parry

[red schooner]

[pliant remnant]

[native heron]

Why spell queue window is recommended for rogue? I’m using 400 and it feels fuckin awful

[balmy condor]

there is no recommendation

it depends entirely on your connection, your input delay, reaction time, how often you're pressing your keys, and what feels worse to you

if it feels slow, knock it down by like 50

if your gcds are late cause you're not queueing anymore, knock it up by like 100

[cunning needle]

i use 239

hope this helps

[oak tangle]

imagine caring about spell queuing on a non gcd locked spec

[native heron]

Thank you everyone!

[glossy dust]

is spamming on rogue even that important as it is with casters?

[native heron]

I asked that because i played mage for a month and my spell queue window was at 0, you can imagine the dps loss with that.

[glossy dust]

that is a nono

also the favourite theme in mage discord

just leave it at 400 tbh

feels weird at the beginning but its much better dps whise

[real pike]

400 felt awful for me, I use 100

[glossy dust]

well its not the best feeling but u get used to it

well idk how its on rogue but mage had many gaps

huge dps loss

rogue however seems a bit less spammy

[main bridge]

Changing spell queue is a scam sold to you by creators seeking views from people who want to believe that this one weird setting is what’s keeping them from a higher parse

[real pike]

well

my wow did a thing where it reset basically all of my settings

including spell queue

[glossy dust]

u mean setting it down?

[main bridge]

I mean changing it at all

[glossy dust]

why is this shitter rogue rolling on a dagger

when its gona end up on the same ilvl he allready has

[glossy dust]

400 was originial right?

[real pike]

and I went into raid and I was getting horrible what I call 'ability delay', where I would press the button and it would take half a second to do, but it wasn't lag or anything to do with internet. and then I changed the spell queue to 100 and it stopped. could it have been coincidence? possibly. but it worked for me

[glossy dust]

well because it felt like u pressed and now it feels instant

what u essentialy did is make a gap

however i dont know how present these are on rogues and how important it is

on mage its a huge thing and a huge dps loss

doesnt feel as important on rogue tho

[main bridge]

I think if it was really that important to change it would be in the UI or a default

[glossy dust]

well if u have it 400 and dont change its good either way

[proven jasper]

I play 400 on every spec that i play and it feels great

[glossy dust]

i always wondered

is there a reason the crafted dagger goes into off hand?

[proven jasper]

A myth dagger is higher ilvl

than crafted

[glossy dust]

i figured so its only that

[proven jasper]

mh damage scales ur abilities

oh just stat stick

[golden loom]

but if ur crafted dagger is ur highest ilvl dagger then u MH it ofc

[proven jasper]

yeah ofc

[glossy dust]

ye thats what i did

i was just making sure

crtazy how my alt rogue (now main) instantly got both trinkets even if low ilvl and mage just hasnt even seen one

so boring sometimes

[proven jasper]

My mage(main this tier) still wearing hero trinkets and my ww alt has two myth bis trinkets

[glossy dust]

shit really be tough out here no

[unborn rain]

really fucked up what they be doing to yall out here

[glossy dust]

mage still has 704 trinket cuz stuff wont even sim higher

[prime hull]

did deathstalker get stealth bugfixed

i feel like im doing a lot more damage in dungeons than what would be explained by turboboost ilvl gain

[normal mist]

Maybe you just had good tanks

[glossy dust]

mybe u have a good performing day

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[glossy dust]

can rogue be like high in some tier lists so i get invited

[prime hull]

we could probably take arcane mage spot with bugfixes

[glossy dust]

i dont even get invited as arcane

[prime hull]

lot of comps are full melee buffs + mage

[glossy dust]

arcane is supposed to be s tier

[prime hull]

they got 3% nerf and we funnel just as good or better

[glossy dust]

that 3% u dont even notice trust me

but people building comps for 15keys idk

assa funnel does seem pretty good

feel whise atleast - u guys noticing in dungeons ?

[normal mist]

"feel"? DMG wise not really, gameplay wise yes

You can feel the fact that you have energy for days

[glossy dust]

how do i explain this

if im blasting a target i can actualy feel it being melted

but then from what i see here in nhc u actualy here have real burst

which does seem odd since everything is thicking

and not upfront

[spice vale]

Has anyone seen a drop in parses since Tuesday? I’m doing way more damage, more so perfected my rotation and got upgrades and yet my parses went from mid 90s to like 60s

[royal lantern]

killtimers bad for you?

[spice vale]

3:38 for plexus

Old parse was 95 with a 1 second difference doing 4.7m dps.
New parse is a 57 doing 4.9m dps

[royal lantern]

people just doing more dmg then

do you have mythic prism as an example

cus getting more ilvls on that trinket makes your burst a good chunk stronger, so people with mythic prism got a good boost this week

[acoustic roost]

Well yeah parses reset with the new patch

[royal lantern]

i kinda expect that they know that tbh?

[prime hull]

parses reset so you are no longer competing with 707 ilvl logs week 1, now everyone is like 720+
lower sample size due to parse reset
some people gamed the crest system and got a ton of upgrades via alt discounts, i went from 720->727 on my dk for example this week via spreadsheet planning my discounts out on 4 characters so if you arent like 724+ you are at a disadvantage

[spice vale]

This makes sense

[spice vale]

Sadly I don’t have Prism at all. I’ve either lost it or haven’t seen it drops all season.

[quiet oriole]

Brother same! Hasn't dropped once for our guild

[spice vale]

We saw it drop in heroic twice. I lost to a hunter and a monk

Haven’t seen it since. And my guild is still progging loom mythic so no chance of it on mythic yet

[quiet oriole]

Lots of people got lucky in there vault so my guild councle likes me and was going to give me the next but it has yet to drop

[haughty flicker]

im still using a champ track prism

(on sub, i have a lily for assa)

[spice vale]

I have Lily and hero antenna for assassin right now. Haven’t run normal this week for prism chance.

Heard it’s better than hero Lily

[haughty flicker]

oh i have a champ antenna too

trinket luck absolutely dogshit this season

only reason i have antenna at all is i got a warbound one to drop

[keen spruce]

I have a bagel and cream cheese and a cup of coffee

[quiet oriole]

I got depression

[severe meadow]

Gz

[pure moth]

Not sharing?

[rotund oak]

egg-salad,some vinegar,pinch of salt,cottage cheese,milk in the side

[latent kernel]

bros farts are nuclear

[keen spruce]

i got extra if u want one

[pure moth]

Thanks, was hungry

How have you been?

[weary stump]

Be me using hero lily and sacbrood

We suffer together

In we trust

[restive falcon]

[midnight scroll]

[latent kernel]

doomblade is actually a joke talent lol

[gaunt sigil]

B-but

Bleed

[real comet]

is there a definitive rotation priority for what we do if we get the bug that shortens kb and dm?

do you send the kb early then hold dm for like 15 seconds until kb is resynced?

[golden loom]

play around coldblood cd

[keen spruce]

I been gud

hit my flight requirements to take my instrument checkride

so now i'm just trapped studying for the oral exam portion for the next couple of weeks

[keen spruce]

[real comet]

so basically act as if we didnt get the bug at all and hold kb for 15 more second?

[golden loom]

yes

[real comet]

gotcha, thanks

[pure moth]

Good luck

[stark halo]

!Wa

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[waxen oyster]

Well yeah 4.9 on plexus this week just isnt high

people got gear now

[humble verge]

im casual 2.0 - but not on drums, only bad vocals

@keen mantle

[real pike]

Rate the Zildjan stencil on the bass drum

Bro better be rocking a set of A Customs

If Ks I riot

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy I need a today

[fallow canopy]

and another one for the road

[thorn thorn]

Ty

I need it

[keen mantle]

Let’s make rogue band bro

[spice vale]

Using prism in keys do you just pop it with DM or just max stacks?

I ended up getting normal prism just now and did a key with it instead of Lily. Dps went up but didn’t know if there was a good time to pop it

[real pike]

How can you know the dps increase was due to the prism 🤔

[spice vale]

I mean I simmed. Also did 2 keys. 1 with Lily and 1 with prism. Dps was a decent upgrade

[humble verge]

i never thought you'd ask 🥲

now i just need to find a vocal coach so i dont keep coughing my throat up

[haughty flicker]

looking for throat training huh

[coral ibex]

[real pike]

I would guess at just send with DM but not sure

[normal mist]

Whispyr being fun today

[haughty flicker]

[vivid mulch]

Assa ftw

Its gonna be interesting too see assa like completely change

It looks like that to me atleast

[worldly dock]

Whats the remix max lvl? feel like its goin so slow 😄

[humble verge]

remix is 80

ilvl is no idea

[normal mist]

max i believe its 730 or something

rn i've seen a bunch of 620-30 people

[haughty flicker]

i saw a 643 guy just now in raid

wild stuff

i thought i was no life at 608

[humble verge]

i havent even leveled to 80 yet

well i still have like 3 months so

honestly

maybe i should level another class rather than rogue first

its just so slow

[haughty flicker]

yeah theres no rush at all

[humble verge]

maybe a feral dudu

[jaunty sky]

I barely got to 50

Not even finished one zone

Not in a rush tho

I got the bronze progress WA, im missing 8mil bronze to get everything i dont have yet

[spice spire]

You are

[hearty kestrel]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[haughty flicker]

yeah but theres always worse

i cant have a problem if they have a worse problem

[spice spire]

So real

[royal lantern]

!wa

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[glossy dust]

the whispyr vieo is so great

esp bcs people told me in discord sub is the most fun it has been in a while everything is going downhill

[waxen oyster]

Well thats because sub is probably the burstiest version of itself its been in years.

[royal lantern]

ok, am i stupid or is shadowstep in remix missing from the spellbook

[glossy dust]

which it should be - played it like what1 expansion ago where rupture did half my dmg

[proven jasper]

I think you may be stupid

[haughty flicker]

[solar wyvern]

FloodyG 20 has hands

[royal lantern]

nah, just had to relog 3x

[proven jasper]

Ahh yeah simply a krill issue unfortunately

The server save states have been giga broken since lemix dropped

I lost 2 levels yesterday when servers exploded

[haughty flicker]

well to be fair this game is made by a small indie company

[proven jasper]

Yes yes very small

[haughty flicker]

and this is their first time doing soemthing like this

so bound to be some minor issues

[proven jasper]

minor issues

[haughty flicker]

[humble verge]

you not pressing feint when you get targeted is more likely the issue

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solar wyvern]

It was a very unlucky pull where i ran out of feints and evasion

[humble verge]

🤨

[solar wyvern]

If 2 snipes kills u, guess what, you press feint a LOT

Haha

[humble verge]

: (

[waxen oyster]

Never did that much

outside of fat tierset rupture during ashes

[glossy dust]

i mean it was quiet some dmg i remember

3 place or smth

in a cd spec idk

[waxen oyster]

not in raid

[glossy dust]

that i honestly dont remember but def in m+

[waxen oyster]

actually wait it was on non pad fights

sub m+ in df

[glossy dust]

idk i wanted it because its burst

and i got that

the video itself isnt even wrong like dafuq is going on with the spec

[waxen oyster]

Thats literally all it did

bad tank pulls griefed your damage so hard

[glossy dust]

you mean all it did was rupture dmg?

sure as hell felt like it

[waxen oyster]

No you only did burst

[glossy dust]

idk i mean u were weak outside of cds but then rupture did way to much

[waxen oyster]

well most of your damage was still in your 3 sectechs

during cds

[glossy dust]

yeye sectec was the biggest dmg

but for me atleast it didnt feel like it

idk

[waxen oyster]

misplayed then

[glossy dust]

could be

[waxen oyster]

hitting it with coldblood and a fully stacked ashes was something

[glossy dust]

my m+ dmg was not the best

[waxen oyster]

nowadays you get like 2 sectechs during cds

and 2+ coups

[glossy dust]

i heard its like giga fun

will def get to it after sin

might aswell expierence it befor it goes to shit

[waxen oyster]

Yeah bursting 12m on one target

is something

[glossy dust]

i still dont know how the fuck is sin bursting so much

is everything just ticking that high

[waxen oyster]

as ds or fb

[glossy dust]

like my mage is like realy ramping

but this

ft

[waxen oyster]

fb cds you’re flipping both coins

at high numbers during cds

[earnest remnant]

KB+envenom+coins

[glossy dust]

its like pumpin pumpin

fucking like it

[waxen oyster]

your real burst as sin is the 3min mark

vanish+prism stacks

[glossy dust]

what happend to kb

that use to be like

i think its still high up on dmg

but it used to tick like hell or be the play around

[earnest remnant]

They nerfed it like crazy during and after DF s3

[waxen oyster]

I dont think any spec comes close to sub popping 18 prism stacks

with 4 coups in tfd though

[earnest remnant]

Mm hunter

[glossy dust]

gotta expierence that atleast once

[waxen oyster]

yeah that

[glossy dust]

bro that class

does like infinite dmg

[waxen oyster]

i reached 1.3b platform dam

on nk

[glossy dust]

on every fucking fight

[waxen oyster]

one pull

yes they didnt nuke the mobs that quick so i got a full 3 dances off on them

[glossy dust]

is sub realy fun to play like actualy gameplay whise or only because its doing so much dmg?

[earnest remnant]

From my 8.9m dps log

Sadly we private log

[glossy dust]

poppin off

[waxen oyster]

[waxen oyster]

wait ig prism forge is slightly less platform?

than prism antenna

with holding prism to platform

[onyx coyote]

i'm hearing contradictions on the belt. was it nerfed or not tuesday?

[glossy dust]

wtf is this

[earnest remnant]

Burst

[waxen oyster]

idk whos saying it wasnt nerfed

[glossy dust]

u just smoked everything what

[waxen oyster]

yeah you just get cds back

to go on platform

and go to town

[glossy dust]

that looks crazy

why is everything else 0 tho

weird looking log

[earnest remnant]

I Got memed for it

[earnest remnant]

Its just showing intermission dmg on Nexus King

[waxen oyster]

wait do you not prism platform?

thought if you play double on use it would be forge for platform

[earnest remnant]

You would Forge it

For 18 stack on boss amp

But i wanted to pad

[waxen oyster]

im guessing antenna prism with 18 stack on platform would be most platform damage

[glossy dust]

u do get the full max lvl char after lemix right?

[nova fractal]

how we feeling about playing sin instead of sub on nexus?

[glossy dust]

might be a stupid question but you never know

[earnest remnant]

More than fine

[balmy condor]

I played assa on nexus king

[nova fractal]

pog

[balmy condor]

trolled and lost a full cast of deathmark

[nova fractal]

im really not vibin with sub on it

[balmy condor]

still pretty okay for a prog kill

[drifting cloud]

where did you lose the dm cast

[haughty flicker]

nerf mage

[nova fractal]

you think double on use of forge and prism or just prism and antenna?

[drifting cloud]

cdr bug into brainlag?

[balmy condor]

I was greeding for more prism stacks and then got a star at the end of the fight and never got it off

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

I just violently threw up in my mouth

[drifting cloud]

oh

[balmy condor]

do not double on use

[nova fractal]

hahahaha

[drifting cloud]

so your last dm was on the amp?

[balmy condor]

this looks fine, no?

honestly

not enough p3 deaths

to slow down the kill

not my fault

[drifting cloud]

blizzs fault for turbo boost and aura on same week

[balmy condor]

real and based

[nova fractal]

Is there any weird sin tech to the fight or just play it normally and just cleave off the titan on platforms(which you normally do anyways)

[balmy condor]

just gotta be very on top of your cd casts

have to cast the gcd they come up

or you'll be late to the amp

[nova fractal]

yeah

my frost dk in my second guild is feeling that pain rn

[radiant aspen]

yo gang

[nova fractal]

sometimes if im late my breath is like 10 seocnds into amp

[radiant aspen]

off topic

[nova fractal]

shit sucks

[balmy condor]

but nothing really different between assa and sub

[radiant aspen]

i have addon saying oh no when i get low

i cant find wich one it is any idea

and fucking cashregister sound

im about to lose it

[balmy condor]

sounds like a weakaura to me

[radiant aspen]

okay

ill dig more in wa

thanks

[drifting cloud]

@earnest remnant theres an assa log above shindig, you need to release the documents

[quiet oriole]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[humble verge]

@balmy condor u killed NK?

[balmy condor]

yes

[humble verge]

yesterday?

[half moss]

!wa

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[nova fractal]

I was told I have to play sub as "You are THE aoe pad class"

[vale shore]

that's what they tell enhancement shaman too..

[main bridge]

i think i'd be pretty unhappy with my guild if they ever told me i have to play anything

[nova fractal]

not like we have 2 shadow priests, 2 locks, 2 dh, a dvoker, a ret pal,an arcane mage, and Ele sham T_T

[crisp sluice]

In the first part of the assassination kingslayer quest line in legion remix is there a glitch?

I cant throw the smokebomb, ive reloaded 3 times

[waxen oyster]

hey its not pad it just happens

[crisp sluice]

now i dropped my artifact weapon questline cause it wouldnt stop the bug and I cant pick it up again... any idea

[nova fractal]

disable evlui if you have it on

[crisp sluice]

10/4 let me try that, should have thought of it

[nova fractal]

xD yeah Ikr i was gonna do a pull as sin then i was swapped sides for more burst... so guess im not switching to sin haha

[waxen oyster]

yeah fb losing damage for more targets is a bit....

[split willow]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy condor]

!ban @fallow flax spam

[slim copper]

hey its me ya boy...

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G4p72xJMvWb3daFr?fight=20&type=damage-done&source=254

getting better but still only a 72 parse

trying to get some mindfulness of bleed uptime in before prog on mythic next week.

CT is still low and I dont know whether to prioritize envenoms, rupture or CT

[runic hinge]

Ct when you can hit all 3, rupture on all of them all the time

and envenom when everything else is up

but you can keep CT up even on just 2 but can refresh on 3

[slim copper]

so tab target rupturing? not just during vanish?

[runic hinge]

you are running the bleed build?

[slim copper]

ye

[runic hinge]

so you have scent of blood

which gives you agi for each rupture

so you want 3 up all the time, also gives you energy

garrote on main target unless you have imp garrote then you spread

[slim copper]

ok cool will give this another go tomorrow.

[tidal hatch]

i officially have succeeded in the rite of passage of having a mythic kill logged permanently tainting my page where i forgor to put poisons on

[balmy condor]

The good news is that poison reminder weakauras will still exist in midnight so you’re all good!

[lyric vale]

i put on one midfight

[prisma coral]

personally I wonder why we even need to track the timers of them in 2025 at all

[humble verge]

because or else 0 demeg

[prisma coral]

not what i meant

[humble verge]

then what timers

[real pike]

Is he saying poisons should just be permanent when you put them on

[red schooner]

please yes, thank you

Or just, poison toggle.

[clever sparrow]

tbh the only thing i miss from deleting weak aura is my smart missdirection

[shell kraken]

In Fatebound ST - Wowhead guide says cast Cold Blood with Kingsbane, but in opener seq. it's with mutilate (after vanish).
Is it the first dmg ability after vanish that is important with 4pc?

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[brave stump]

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[brave stump]

@shell kraken

[shell kraken]

Okey, but why don't we vanish/coldblood the first KB after DM?
If we do want to CB KB?

Becasue in opener we CD the mutilate, right?

[golden loom]

Coldblood only affects envenom

for fatebound

[shell kraken]

Oh....

[golden loom]

they are guaranteed to match the same outcome as the latest flip, which was edgecases from kingsbane

[shell kraken]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[shell kraken]

So CB marcod to KB and the vanish can actually be used after mutilate and before Env in the opener?

[golden loom]

well I have trinket macrod to vanish so I vanish after I shiv, before I deathmark

it doesnt matter

as long as you shiv deathmark kingsbane (with coldblood macrod) and the vanish at some point before you have used both of your coldblood stacks on envenoms

[shell kraken]

I've only hav Lily, so I macrod it to DM - but guess I could just add vanish to that marco for QoL then?

Next question - not sure this are due to the bugs or 4pc.
But 2x Shiv is often not available for KB.
For 2nd KB outside of DM, do you only use Shiv ones at the end to ensure 2x stacks for DM?

[brittle garnet]

x2 for DM x1 for KB

[normal mist]

2x inside DM
Solo kb 1x at the last 8 secs

[real pike]

Yes.

[calm ibex]

Myth track antenna/myth track prism/heroic track forge. Im struggling to replace my Forge with prism

Sims dont show me a dps difference but the opener does

[severe meadow]

I mean prism won’t have stacks on opener

But myth track prism is certainly better than hero track forge

[stray ivy]

Is assassin less tanky then the other 2 specs? I see it has a lot more.average deaths in wcl

[humble verge]

yes

because both the other two base their secondaries off vers

[stray ivy]

I see

[glossy dust]

does smart missdirect wa not work anymore?

[oak tangle]

we also have worse defensives, the others got more

[prime hull]

can you macro netherprism to vanish?

or is it best used with the deathmark where you are vanishing

[oak tangle]

yes

macro to vanish

[prime hull]

shiv -> DM -> kb -> vanish/prism?

[normal mist]

If using deathstalker

Macro to dm

Vanish before DM in fb

[glossy dust]

imagine u ask for a specific comp in a +3

have people completly lost their minds?

[oak tangle]

sounds like a group you didnt want to be in anyway

[glossy dust]

anyone have a clue which addon this could be doing? like its just appeared

and its on shift - everytime i step someone this shit appears

[real pike]

Wait what

Or is that only because the prism is macro'd to it

And not a general thing

[unborn rain]

i think its cuz u can vanish anytime between shiv and the first envenom

for the coins

[prime hull]

when the fb bug happens on 4:30 fights its actually good wtf

got 4 dm uses in a 4:29 fight, 2 in execute

[unborn rain]

shiii bro no way

clean up aisle everywhere

[prime hull]

i just hold kingsbane for 30s, cold blood for 15s and sync with deathmark on 1 minute cadence

and netherprism

idk if im supposed to do that or not but yeah

[unborn rain]

that is correct yuh

[prime hull]

both fractillus and plexus are like 4:30 killtimers now so it really helps

[unborn rain]

jelly

[prime hull]

but i think on fractillus i need to send my 2:30 dm a bit later so its in execute

i missed out on that, can hold for 15 more seconds so i guess i can send a solo kingsbane

still time to send another dm before death i think

[fallen charm]

The problem is to replicate the bug

If only we had a 100% way of doing it

[half igloo]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[onyx rock]

I made a rogue for remix and i have a bug that my stealthbar will not change back to the normal Bar 1 in combat. I used the search function but could not find anything... any idea ?

[coral ibex]

it doesn't matter when you vanish as long as it is somewhere between the first shiv and the 2nd envenom after kb

you just want to double an edge case

you can vanish before DM if you want, for prism

[main bridge]

try /reload or relogging

[onyx rock]

i did

no change

[main bridge]

gg it's over

reroll to devourer DH

[ebon steppe]

Tank remix

[humble verge]

full tank m+ Lemix lets go

[golden loom]

already got bored of lemix so now im farming gold on classic hardcore

[haughty flicker]

[spice spire]

seek help bestie

[golden loom]

im insane in the membrane, insane in the brain

[spice spire]

Brother you’re in this channel that’s a given

[golden loom]

true fr fr no cappy 💯

[thorn thorn]

Pog do you also have the title

[golden loom]

sadly not

that was the visions title right?

[unborn rain]

no its the insane reputation achiev

[golden loom]

[reef shuttle]

It a pretty easy one to get

[surreal vale]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[humble verge]

saturday and im in a 50th bday party

[dire rapids]

@frigid musk hello ive heard you are the best rogue eu - how can i improve my dps i have 30% crit and 40% versa and 11% haste is this ok

[frigid musk]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hornet-hornet-dance-la-era-de-silksong-tomorrow-gif-12704839978361667860

[thorn thorn]

Very easy just time consuming

Mine took almost a month of doing it nonstop

I now hate doing rep grinds even on retail now

Probably related

[unborn rain]

thats beyond unc

[humble verge]

im not the 50yo

im less than half that

😭

[runic hinge]

Unc

[humble verge]

ofc the guy who has tony the tiger for gamertag in xbox says it 😭

[runic hinge]

That game tag is older than you

[humble verge]

and YOURE calling me the unc

[coral ibex]

hanging with a bunch of 50 year old dudes is unc behavior ngl

if they werent bestowing knowledge on you

[humble verge]

im in a family birthday party to my aunt 😭

i would never voluntarily go to a 50th bday to someone i barely knew

[coral ibex]

get jiggy

[final star]

sudden demise bugged on lemix love that

that just does piss

[balmy condor]

well it's the same bug as it is on live

because lemix does a bunch of open world scaling shenanigans

so it's the same bricking that happens in delves/live

[unborn rain]

switch em down nephew

[final star]

makes sense I haven't done those as assa in like a year

[lost nexus]

Can anyone explain why Blizzard removed Pointy Stabby? It was lots of fun when engaging in heroic raid encounters

During Wrath of The Burning Crusade, I found useful

❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[drifting cloud]

your next mute is gonna be a week man

and 3rd one is probably perma

[main bridge]

for some people that's the only way they learn

[balmy condor]

!mute @lost nexus 14d

[haughty flicker]

[normal mist]

I'll be a dad by the time he returns

[main bridge]

[unborn rain]

grats on the beer bot bro

[normal mist]

I don't drink :/

[unborn rain]

damn rip

[winged widget]

there's a trait that gives you stealth out of combat automatically. it's from the artifact or the pylons you activate i dont remember

[oak tangle]

Royal D fucks

[full mason]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[rotund oak]

If there was a virus that wiped out all insane ppl,you would have been an accident

[rotund oak]

🫶

[latent kernel]

singular focus is just confusing lol

i understand how it works and ik its still bugged with caustic but i feel like the number still just dont make sense

[rotund oak]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[rotund oak]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund oak]

ah ye it doesnt work with spatter

[latent kernel]

basically two questions:

1. does it work with ALL abilities such as reshi wraps, embellishments etc.
2. is it just a raw 5% of ability damage done to target, or is there some sort of math/stats that affects it so it hits for more i.e. my rupture ticks for 1mil 0.05* 1mil = 50k, so does it hit for 50k or does it hit for more because of my other stats?

[rotund oak]

it doesnt work with any dmg ''spattered''

[latent kernel]

do you know if it compounds damage windows?

so like every second itll tick

[rotund oak]

that would be better answered from our boy whispyr

im pretty sure its a bug hence it doesnt work at all times

[latent kernel]

or is it individual tick for every dot tick

[rotund oak]

not fully aware how the bug functions,as in the detailed misfunctionality in it

[latent kernel]

the reason im confused is because the tooltip says that it deals 5% of all damage to non marked targets to marked target, so by that logic i should be able to take my damage log (to dummies for testing), subtract out my damage to the marked dummy, subtract caustic damage for bug, multiply whats left by 0.05 and it should give me singular focus damage right?

but it just doesnt numerically work like that

[rotund oak]

auras or lack off amp the result,that might apply into the bug as well.Thats why ild have to admit that i dont know that

whispyr should know though

[oak tangle]

it is plague damage, which is nature / shadow, so shiv "should" buffi t

[rotund oak]

and yes shiv is an amp

it comes down to numbers

[latent kernel]

im not testing with shiv in rotation, do you know if your stat weights affect it after the fact, like it takes 5% then your stats affect it, then it hits

idrk how that works

[oak tangle]

i would guess no

because double dips

etc

the thing is likely bugged cause feedback loops, more singular focus would mean more spatter, which would mean more singular focus

so either it's bugged or intentional

but the way it's worded, implies feedback loop

[latent kernel]

its feedback, but the dmg generated from it would approach 0 so i dont think its intentional

[oak tangle]

why would it approach 0

[latent kernel]

so singular focus hits your primary target with caustic, it spatters which only does 40%

so every following iteration of spatter dmg generated from the intitial singular focus hit would keep getting multipled by 0.4

not to mention that singular focus already only takes 5% of dmg anyways

[oak tangle]

they are all additive

[runic hinge]

Spatter not working with singular focus is the bug. Idk if that’s the discussion or not

[oak tangle]

i'm saying if it worked as intended it would be a feedback loop

and blow out to infinity

[latent kernel]

it would go to 0

[oak tangle]

it wont though

lol

doing more singular focus will make it do less damage?

[latent kernel]

singular focus hits my target for 10dmg, 40% is 4 damage splattered onto says 5 targets, 4* 5=20, 20*0.05 = 1dmg on my focus target again, now 1dmg, 40% is 0.4, and you can see it keeps getting smaller

[oak tangle]

you do 100 damage to mob, that spatters for 40 onto 5 targets. that gets reduced to 5% or 10 damage, you now do 110 base

[balmy condor]

singular focus damage cannot spatter

so it's kinda whatever

[latent kernel]

this is more of a math thing atp lol

[balmy condor]

yeh

[balmy condor]

that's not how that works lmao

you can't just add the spatter back onto the base and then re-spatter the base

[latent kernel]

^^

[balmy condor]

you're not dealing the base damage an infinite amount of times

that's obviously silly

[rotund oak]

..

[oak tangle]

i've failed maths class again

[latent kernel]

listen man i was about to pull up desmos

[oak tangle]

nah you good, i'm just getting old and cooked, i went from engineering to this

[latent kernel]

yo honestly kudos for admitting lol, more respect than any math would get you

[oak tangle]

i would say my saving grace is 51 targets... but damage reduced beyond x

[latent kernel]

your theory might be applicable in floodgate

[rotund oak]

math i can do even better than whispyr,i just dont wanna dive into the mud without knowing the problem to its entirety 😛

better let ppl that know speak

[balmy condor]

anyways, regarding this:

1. no, only "rogue" abilities. This is generally true for anything in the game that says "all" damage. "All nature damage" for example will never include the nature damage of external/gear sources that are not inherent to the spec itself. The only gray area here is tier sets that deal flat damage. Sometimes they are counted the same as other gear, but they're typically also considered part of the spec.
2. It's 5% of the damage dealt, buffed by mastery and shiv. With mastery + tier set buff I've seen this go as high as 13.5% with extreme mastery heavy gear.

[rotund oak]

thats what respect is all about

[balmy condor]

and it does not, it immediately follows the damage instance

[jolly stirrup]

Guys I am praying that none of you get Corona Virus man. I am severely fucked

[balmy condor]

here for example

the singular focus hits are immediately following the rupture/corrupt the blood on the mage

[latent kernel]

this might be an in the weeds question

but you have rupture -> corrupt -> both the singular focus instances

and they're time stamped later than each other

[oak tangle]

13.5% would bring the targets down to 19 for blow to infinity

kek

[latent kernel]

any idea on how this stuff is prioritized

[balmy condor]

prioritized meaning what

[rotund oak]

i understand which dmg locks 1st and what comes after

[latent kernel]

oh wait nvm corrupt is procced off rupture right

[rotund oak]

cant think anything else

[latent kernel]

so its all in order

[balmy condor]

it should be

networking stuff can technically make it go a little silly

but the order also shouldn't really matter ever

each instance of damage has its own singular focus attached to it

so obviously singular must always come after the instance of original damage

[latent kernel]

any hypotheses on what caused caustic to break?

[rotund oak]

we tend to blame spaghetti code on that

coz we dont know

prolly blizzard doesnt know either

assuming bug exists

[latent kernel]

maybe if we can tie bug spaghetti strand into shop bug spaghetti strand we will get quick fix

[rotund oak]

yo i like my bolognesse

😂

[balmy condor]

not just a hypothesis, we know exactly how it broke

caustic, singular focus, sanguine blades, are all examples of what are called "residual effects", where their damage is just some fraction of damage a different ability dealt. Usually the stuff that "works" with residuals has to be heavily controlled as to avoid silly situations.

In this case, caustic was double dipping the global spec aura from assassination, and blizzard went "woof, that's an unintended 20% buff to caustic, that's kind of silly actually, can't have that", and they fixed it. Fixing it however broke the whitelisting/controlling of what works and doesn't work with caustic, and that broke singular's ability to interact with caustic spatter

for reference, sanguine blades and singular focus also double dip the spec aura currently

which is why sanguine blades is able to interact with singular focus, but caustic isn't

[rotund oak]

Cool

[latent kernel]

ngl kinda sad its not broke anymore, super funnel rogue was peak class fantasy

[oak tangle]

is aura buffs good game design, or lazy patchwork to equalise

[balmy condor]

the classic example of why residuals are spooky is a two target fight where the bosses go into a damage amp at the same time. Think something like cho'gall splitting into two pieces that take 100% increased damage.

You envenom cho for 100, but it's 100% stronger, so it's 200 damage, but then you spatter 40% of it, so it's 80 damage, but that's also buffed by 100%, so you get 160 damage. So you just double dipped and now you're cleaving 80% instead

[rotund oak]

lazy af for poor design

[balmy condor]

gnarlroot in amirdrassil had this issue early on

where you had a bunch of tiny shitter adds

and gnarlroot would take more damage, so your envenom dealt more damage, so you spattered more

that's not possible anymore

residual effects reverse out the target amps

so you would be spattering the original, pre-amp damage, not the post-amp doubled damage

there's blockers like that all over the place with residual effects, and in this case, killing caustics ability to double dip removed it from interacting with other residuals

just chopped off the highway

[oak tangle]

they need to make their aura buffs a tag on the regular abilties, so 5% aura goes in and changes the core rupture ability to be 5% more

[rotund oak]

yup

[rotund oak]

thats rly interesting to me,do they still doubble dip on later buffs as well?

[latent kernel]

well really thats kinda what class masteries are for

but they kinda gave up on that

[balmy condor]

they're basically required tools for tuning a spec. The alternative would be to tune individual abilities all the time, and that shit just doesn't work

[latent kernel]

like buffing mastery is basically the same as giving an aura buff, they just did it with windwalker this season

[balmy condor]

what "later buffs" are we talking about here

[balmy condor]

that's not even remotely true

[oak tangle]

right, but rather than doing a pass after the ability to determine if it should be buffed (thus leading to residuals having to figure out if the also use the aura buff) just add the aura buff to baseline ability

[rotund oak]

any kind of later aura buffs/hotfixes that amp the previous one

[balmy condor]

buffing mastery directly fucks with gearing

a crit/vers spec receiving a buff to its spec through mastery

would skullfuck all the gear you collected that season so far

[latent kernel]

they did it at the beginning of this season, basically just amped up mastery %

[balmy condor]

in this circumstance, yes, but you can't use that as a day to day tuning knob

[latent kernel]

well yeah for sure and thats why they dont do it, but i remember reading somewhere that that was one of the initial intents of class masteries

was to make tuning significantly easier

[balmy condor]

thats.... what it does?

[oak tangle]

if not please clarify, i thought that's how you were implying it worked, my bad

[balmy condor]

there's nothign inherently different between a talent that says "rupture damage increased by 20%" and a spec aura of 20%

they're both passive spells that modify rupture

[rotund oak]

yeah its the same amp

[balmy condor]

the spec aura is legit just a passive talent that is hidden in-game

[oak tangle]

so what is the reason that spatter and sanguine are double dipping on it. just shitty coding to not have the aura apply to it?

[balmy condor]

cause caustic got taken off the list

[oak tangle]

but like... why not just never have caustic have the spec buff, and then just change it's percent

[balmy condor]

like think back to this and the "only rogue abilities"

right?

what is "only rogue abilities"

[latent kernel]

vanish

[balmy condor]

there's gotta be some list somewhere that exists, which contains all the spells that count

and so when things like caustic spatter and sanguine blades and stuff get implemented

they have to point to a list of things that they interact with

see where I'm going with this?

[latent kernel]

i would imagine its more of a tagging system from an efficiency standpoint, but also from 2004 so could be a list lmfao

[balmy condor]

they all use the same lists

so caustic gets cut off from the "all of these things are rogue damage" list

because that's the spec aura

and now when singular focus looks for things it can cleave

caustic spatter isn't there anymore

[rotund oak]

thats another hypothetical but would it work as a way to ''nerf'' a spec

remove spatter from the list that is

[latent kernel]

now got me thinking if they use a flagging system for abilities, or if they just have excel sheets lol

[rotund oak]

prolly both

[oak tangle]

how much work around is required before someone decides it's worth refactoring the code

[balmy condor]

Replaces         : Sinister Strike (id=1752)
Class            : Assassination Rogue
School           : Physical
Spell Type       : Melee
Resource         : 50 Energy (3) (id=122)
Spell Level      : 12
Range            : 5 yards
GCD              : 1 seconds
Requires weapon  : Dagger
Labels           : 16: Class Spells
                 : 20: Rogue Spells
                 : 292
Affecting Spells : Master of Subtlety (31665 effects: #1, #2), Blindside (121153 effect#3), Shadow Blades (121471 effect#2), Subtlety Rogue (137035 effects: #1, #2), Outlaw Rogue (137036 effects: #1, #2), Assassination Rogue (137037 effects: #1, #2), Shadow Dance (185313 effects: #4, #5), Ruthless Precision (193357 effect#1), Grand Melee (193358 effects: #1, #3), Symbols of Death (212283 effect#4), Between the Eyes (315341 effects: #2, #3), Master Assassin's Mark (340094 effect#1), Deathly Shadows (341202 effects: #1, #2), Deathly Shadows (350964 effects: #1, #2), Vicious Venoms (381634 effect#2), Lethality (382238 effect#2), Fazed (441224 effect#1), Fatebound Coin (Heads) (452923 effects: #1, #2), Fatebound Coin (Heads) (456479 effects: #1, #2), Subtlety Rogue (1256946 effects: #1, #2), Outlaw Rogue (1256947 effects: #1, #2), Assassination Rogue (1256950 effects: #1, #2)
Family Flags     : 53, 54
Attributes       : Is Ability (4), Not Shapeshifted (16), Do Not Sheath (18), Initiates Combat (Enables Auto-Attack) (41), Require All Targets (58), Discount Power On Miss (59), Requires Main-Hand Weapon (106), Suppress Caster Procs (112), Requires Off-Hand Weapon (120), Aura Points On Client (268), Enable Procs from Suppressed Caster Procs (384), Allow Class Ability Procs (416)
Effects          :
#1 (id=447)      : Dummy (3)
                   Base Value: 0 | Scaled Value: 0 | Target: Targeted Enemy (6)
#2 (id=448)      : Energize Power (30)
                   Base Value: 2 | Scaled Value: 2 | Resource: combo_points | Target: Self (1)
                   Modified By: Shadow Blades (121471 effect#2)
#3 (id=449)      : Trigger Spell (64): Mutilate
                   Base Value: 0 | Scaled Value: 0 | Trigger Spell: 5374 | Target: Targeted Enemy (6)
#4 (id=314319)   : Trigger Spell (64): Mutilate
                   Base Value: 0 | Scaled Value: 0 | Trigger Spell: 27576 | Target: Targeted Enemy (6)
Description      : Attack with both weapons, dealing a total of $<dmg> Physical damage.```

that's what spell data looks like

after simc cleans it, obviously we don't know what it looks like on their end

they probably got plenty of tooling that interfaces with the codebase for them so they don't have to

but that's what gets datamined

[rotund oak]

they also manipulate data for 20years+

thats alot of cooking

as far as the game design goes

[balmy condor]

it's never going to be worth refactoring the code

you can slowly refactor bits and pieces as you go

but you gotta understand, this codebase is so large

you're never going to untangle it

[latent kernel]

i mean would be more efficient to just make a new game

[balmy condor]

even if you made it your lifes goal

[latent kernel]

think about how they blow up old skyscrapers and just build a new one where it was at instead of trying to renovate lol

[balmy condor]

this was 5 years ago

[latent kernel]

is this spell data report how they figured out caustic bug

like what the cause was

[balmy condor]

In this case no

didn't need to check spell data to put 2 and 2 together

but for some bugs, yes

[oak tangle]

maybe this is the real use of ai, to help refactor / reorganise code bases

[balmy condor]

for a lot of bugs, spell data doesn't even help

cause it's scripted on the server side

and you can't datamine the shit that's going on anyway

[balmy condor]

yeah and then AI hallucinates and renames a variable that's used by some other shit halfway across the codebase and every wow server crashes

brilliant

[oak tangle]

i mena you wouldn't let it go untethered

but it could be a tool to point out certain places that are issues

maybe not yet

but soon

[latent kernel]

dude just wants them to use AI so he can have infinite singular focus

[balmy condor]

issues meaning what

how do you quantify an issue

[latent kernel]

issue would be bugs the QA testers encounter

oh wait...

[oak tangle]

just like. if you say it's such a large code base and too difficult to refactor even smaller section of just how abilities work. that implies that the code base doesn't have quantised sections relevant to each aspect

i knwo you haven't seen it and we haven't

etc

[balmy condor]

I mean it does have that

[oak tangle]

so we cant know

[balmy condor]

you can refactor smaller parts

they've been slowly refactoring abilities and doing more and more scripting on the server side

they've also started using labels, cause they ran out of family flags

and so they had to come up with a new way to do that

which was kinda funny

[oak tangle]

i get to an extent that they don't want to add to many flags and stuff to look up for ability damage etc, cause optimisation reasons

but it's crazy to me that they rely on a whitelist system and don't maintain it

particularly when it's a known bug, like someone somewhere is not doing their job, whether it be their community managers not going into places to see that there are bugs etc

[balmy condor]

or, and hear me out on this

they got other shit to do

blizzard devs are infamously overworked

fixing a bug with a tier set that makes momentum of despair not work when follow the blood is a decent enough alternative just doesn't take priority when the tier set is gone in a couple months and they have to work on the next expansion

occam's razor type shit

[distant hinge]

Does Bleed build for M+ / Soul Hunters like haste like it did last patch?

[oak tangle]

i get it, but to some extent they need to prioritise player facing issues, it will do them a lot more credit in the eyes of the player base

which is worth it

[balmy condor]

yeh, haste pretty good stat all around

[balmy condor]

yeah but like, you could take a dev off of midnight and fix issues with the current tier sets for a week, and now you're just a week behind on the work that dev was supposed to do on midnight instead

it's just triage in a hospital, but for code

[distant hinge]

kinda meant should i swap out gear to haste more even though it sims lower? would go form 12% to 23% Prob just follow sim huh

[oak tangle]

does whitelisting caustic take a week to do though?

[balmy condor]

dude comes in with a twisted ankle, and it's just not worth helping the dude when you have people with gunshot wounds bleeding out at the same time

[balmy condor]

yeah, follow sims

[balmy condor]

one bug? probably not

but like what's the most apparent bug this patch

the fatebound tier

they already tried to fix that

and it didn't work

[oak tangle]

to use american healthcare, the guy with the ankle needs a splint and will apy for it, but the gunshot wounds are homeless and wont pay

[balmy condor]

do you seriously expect a manager to go "yeah let me take a guy off of midnight for a bit to go figure out why it's broken, and then have them try and fix it a second time"

[oak tangle]

at the end of the day it's a priority thing and i get it, personally the bugs don't worry me, the only issue i have with them, is them not being addressed being a bad look for the care and attention they give to my spec

sub going through it right now with the midnight changes feeling the same thing

it's hard to watch shadow priest be reworked 3 or 4 times in just as many tiers / expacs, and a seemingly simple bug can stay here for the same time

[fierce sigil]

Do we want to use out dinars for araz, Antenna and maybe prison?

[balmy condor]

prism and antenna yeh

araz only for sub really

[red schooner]

DH boots as well

I think DH boots are the only thing I even need from dinars

[limber dew]

Assa seems to be doing rather well after the nerfs of the other top dps and our 3% fix.

[balmy condor]

nerfing the top specs and buffing an already pretty good spec will do that, yeh

[oak tangle]

of course we're eating good right as my guild goes hard into lemix and only 15 people show interest in mythic this week

[balmy condor]

people don't really get how close balance is most of the time

[oak tangle]

they just see themselves not top and giga doom

[balmy condor]

I think specs are like mostly within 8ish%

it's honestly pretty impressive

[solar wyvern]

Yeah but MY spec isnt

So gamebad L blizzard L riot games L ea L walmart

[royal lantern]

fuck balance

dumb birds

[clever sparrow]

why you hate these indie companies?

[radiant hare]

!macros

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[rotund oak]

The proper priority list is :

1. ''Hiya''
2. Hair
3. Rogue information
4. ''Byeya''
5. Balance(no one cares lmao)

[ebon notch]

what you guys simming for rn

[ebon notch]

on the wowhead opener why do you vanish immediately after KB?

oh shit kb doesnt do big tick at the end anymore?

[main bridge]

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[ebon notch]

oh damn

tyty

[ebon notch]

Are there any other commands I should check out

[runic hinge]

!fotmnoob

[ebon notch]

Heh no evidence found

[subtle tundra]

this fucker came to take my spot

[ivory moon]

caustic spatter bugged?

[main bridge]

!causticbug

[prisma monolith]

Caustic is not bugged. The Green Puddle on the ground is Poison Bomb, not Caustic Spatter. You are either:

1. Not using Deadly/Amplifying poison (or its not applied to your target)
2. Not using Rupture on your target
3. Not using Mutilate/Ambush if the above two are applied

[ebon notch]

What spot

You have raided in years

[ivory moon]

lol had wrong poison mb

[subtle tundra]

what

i didnt raid for 1 tier

[ebon notch]

Legit you last raided in cata

[subtle tundra]

wrong i raided mop, throne of thunder

[white holly]

for remix, I'm on Infinite Research: Artifact collector, need to acquire another artifact, but not sure from where? I don't get the quest from Jorach in the order hall, nothing on the minimap as well, any ideas?

[severe meadow]

No telling, Lemix is a buggy mess

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[real pike]

heading to the big D tonight, any tips going in?

[keen spruce]

do damage dont die

[blazing parcel]

**Pure Single Raid **
Lily + Pacemaker both 723
or
Prism + antena | both 704
or
Prism 704 + Pacemaker 723
Which one do you choose Guysss
( I use both 723 all the time ( But I don't feel any change compared to when I Use prism + antena 704 :DDDD

i say your choose not the fucking sim fuck sim :DDD

[real pike]

shit dude how do you come up with this stuff

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[real pike]

I choose whatever the sim gives the biggest number on

[blazing parcel]

yeah but sim dont see your ass and cheak it if you have giga white ass for antena

or not

that the problem

^^

[ebon notch]

What the fuck are you saying

[real pike]

is this a window into the mind of a Sub player

[unborn rain]

the solo leveling pfp is top tier

[shy creek]

I mean if you don't wanna sim ,just play whatever brings you joy

If I had to pick, I'd just pick whatevers higher ilvl

Doesn't particularly matter too much regardless

Netherprism for BIG DM

Lily for more consistent dmg

[feral mason]

holy hell

moon runes

[oak tangle]

dafuq is this "what's optimal, but i dont wanna sim" angle lol

it's not skynet, it's a glorified calculator, just sim it

[coral ibex]

if you dont want to sim it doesnt matter what you pick

just pick what you want

[humble verge]

so @balmy condor

assa is just gigainsane on dim now

[narrow crag]

you can check pacemaker description and uptime on wowlogs, then you will find out that it's proc every minute for 30 sec, then you can calculate that u will have some timings when it not works on your burst, and procs only on 3rd and 6 mins of boss fight, and first one too, so thats all about pacemaker. Antenna better 100%

Lily better than prism on short fights because you need to use prism only on 3rd min.

[royal lantern]

tbf, you can also just manually use prism

if fight ends soon, you can use it with your next cds instead of waiting for the 3min windows

[narrow crag]

for every burst its will be same as lily, but only if u have same ilvl trinkets so 723 lily better than 704 prism on this way

[narrow crag]

i guess u will use it on 4.30 (3rd DM) second time for all bosses before hunters

[fallow canopy]

The weakest part of dimmy for sin or the part where sub shined got nerfed into oblivion so sin looks a lot better now

[humble verge]

pretty much yes

like

P1 is kinda insane

im doing like 200-300m more damage to dim Xd

as sin over sub

or 200 atleast ig

[coral ibex]

well ye assa does way better pure ST

without any amps

[humble verge]

: D

[coral ibex]

and the masses dont matter at all so i wasnt even swapping to them before

im definitely not swapping now

[humble verge]

Xd

are u still gonna play sub?

[coral ibex]

prob not

[fallow canopy]

prob a sin angle on reclear my sub arc is over 🙏

[humble verge]

ive found out

ive been ONLY using shiv

non tea macro

for some reason on 10 pulls

[ebon notch]

ok so

i just straight up

didnt get the cdr

and i used vanish at the right times

help

[humble verge]

im getting double cdr twice every P1

[coral ibex]

vanish doesn't get cdr, and vanishing doesn't trigger the 4p cdr

[ebon notch]

yes but you're supposed to vanish at specific times to get specific flips right

which then triggers the cdr from the tier set?

[coral ibex]

lucky coin triggers the 4p

the bug is due to it being a projectile

with travel speed

[ebon notch]

as in it can just not hit or

[coral ibex]

it can not hit, it can hit multiple times

there's some input you can do to trigger it somewhat reliably

i dont remember what it is, something with shadowstep iirc

[ebon notch]

!caustic

caustic bugged

help

[real pike]

guys if we're standing on top of the p1 adds in Dimensius they take caustic damage no?

[ebon notch]

ok not bugged

[ebon notch]

its around the target

[real pike]

the adds have caustic damage on my details

[ebon notch]

ye because his hitbox is fockin huge

but its not because of where you're standing

[real pike]

ok just in the guide I thought it mentioned if you target dimmy you won't cleave the add

[royal lantern]

we actually saw p3 of salhadar for the first time

[ebon notch]

im so proud of you tryan

[balmy condor]

Yeh you have to stand on them

[brave stump]

channel the good ol' gally screenshot

[ebon notch]

why does standing on them make a difference?

[balmy condor]

Dimmy too big

Secondary check triggers

[ebon notch]

oh there's other checks?

thats nice

[coral ibex]

check the pins for a graphic

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/blow-the-dust-meme-good-old-days-nostalgia-old-gif-17831927821295204551

Bring out the caustic explanation pin

[coral ibex]

i had to check to make sure it was still there

[royal lantern]

somebody on reddit talking about sub on the alpha

a guy brings up whisps video from yesterday

first comment is "whisp doesnt play sub"