assassination

[earnest narwhal]

like astral antenna for literally everyone

[balmy condor]

probably 0

[waxen oyster]

antenna is like

only 10k above pace for me

its really not as gamebreaking as people pretend

[runic hinge]

What if I sim with 0% miss

[red schooner]

Its like .3 for me going by droptimiser so, eh

[waxen oyster]

i sim with 20% because im a boosted animal

[red schooner]

(I've turned it down from vault 3 times now)

[drifting cloud]

you never miss king so you should

[waxen oyster]

what the helly kind of vaults you got

i already got pace my first week vault and still took antenna last week

[red schooner]

I already had mythic pacemaker and I opted for myth tier, myth lily and myth netherprism

[waxen oyster]

ok lily i disagree with

tier depends on slot....

[red schooner]

Lily was the bigger increase

So

[red schooner]

I forget the slot it was a while ago

[waxen oyster]

somehow hc prism was a gain over myth lily

on my sim

[red schooner]

I never had one drop

So I take what is given

[waxen oyster]

lootcouncil gave me one of each

meanwhile

[shadow coral]

i struggle with single target in m+ :C i feel like im energy starved constantly with having all 3 dots applied

[red schooner]

I'd rather have a myth lily now than potentially a heroic prism never

[grim jay]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[waxen oyster]

so many fellow pace week 1 goats

though

[coral ibex]

unsurprising

prism is busted

[waxen oyster]

i got the first and only drop one we've seen

on myth

[red schooner]

I got it in vault so, this is fine.

Ours went to the DKs

[jade abyss]

I see one dropped this tier...

Vault always says nope

[red schooner]

Soon, dinars

Though I'm just gonna buy SH boots I guess

[waxen oyster]

giving it to dk over

[wraith girder]

Yeah I am not simming the nerfed belt. Just normal Droptimizer as someone already explained.

[grim jay]

They look kinda meh if you already have the heroic ones

[red schooner]

Biggest DPS gain on droptimiser for me from the raid so, yeah. Will probably just yoink them

Will need to see what the dinars offer

But at the moment, its boots

[old obsidian]

question brother, ilvl% is relevant more than see what item lvl was that logs?

sorry for the noob

[golden loom]

ilvl parses are a pretty big meme

wouldnt pay too much attention to them

[tired bloom]

why is it? Me as a casual that has no chance getting into high ilvls, I always like to compare ilvl parses to figure out if I'm doing decently. Or is this advice to high end play only?

[dusky vault]

Firstly its easy to cheese, equip a bad bracer and your ilvl tanks without losing much damage. Also generally good players arent a low ilvl, more casual players at low ilvl makes getting a higher ilvl parse easier.

[tired bloom]

I see, makes sense.

[dusky vault]

Its useful in the sense that a 90 is better than a 10 but doesnt really tell you if you're playing optimally or not

Overall parses are 90% ilvl up to a certain anyway too

[oak tangle]

i refuse!

antenna took more effort to get

[vital pond]

Guys, im totally new to assasination and to rogue as a whole and im doing like 2 mil dps less than literally everyone im 712 ilvl and my dps havent improved from this log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PHTcJ9MLqdkwDm63?type=damage-done&fight=1

[oak tangle]

did you tank pull onto bosses?

also on the very first shard of halkias you dont mutilate it for caustic

in fact oyu dont do it for any of them

so number one, make sure to maintain spatter on your target

[oak tangle]

none of these would have cleaved their damage

[wraith girder]

As long as it is available, you may aswell install the "Hekili" Addon and figure out your rotation with it's help. Once you get the hang of it you can deactivate. That is what I do if I learn a new class and I think it saved my loads of time. Also read up on guides, because not mutilating is a very basic mistake that can be avoided with a minimal amount of reasearch - I believe. Happy to welcome you in the rogue family 🙂

[oak tangle]

the rotation looks relatively fine, it's simply not caustic'ing

[vital pond]

I have been putting caustic up yesterday sadly i dont have logs from that day

But still doing relatively low dps on overall in comparison to my buddies (ele shamman, havoc DH)

[oak tangle]

you do tend to shiv quite often

2 charges during deathmark is vital

[vital pond]

So i should save shiv charges for deathmark ?

[vital pond]

Oh i see

[oak tangle]

if you can work on making them ready for that

[vital pond]

I have been using shiv to proc deathstalkers mark faster

[oak tangle]

you have spare charges, but yeah if you can, exspecially on bosses, double shiv the dm

[vital pond]

And how much dps should i be putting up in +10s or higher ?

[oak tangle]

that's tank dependant

6-9 mil

[vital pond]

Is assa close to sub or other dpses

[oak tangle]

yes

[vital pond]

Cuz i main DK since shadowlands and made myslef rogue because of spot in raid team and so we can have leather stack for boosting with my bois

I have never even touched other class than hunter or DK so its kinda confusing

[vital pond]

In endgame content

But rogue feels really good with tons of mobility and control

[oak tangle]

you're doing quite well considering you're missing a solid 1 mil overall cause of no caustic

[vital pond]

As i said i noticed yesterday that im not puting caustic up

Sadly no logs to prove that

[oak tangle]

XD

[dusty turret]

Hey guys, sorry to bother, quick question, not strictly Assa related but Shadowstep rather. On Fractillus Mythic, I saw some rogue POVs where they shadowstep mid air when clearing the walls. Might be a stupid question, but does that count as clearing them, even if you don't actually pass with your characters through them? Thanks!

[coral ibex]

yes

[red schooner]

Just make sire you step post knockback and you're good

[dusty turret]

Got it guys, thanks. All ready for the prog tonight!

[red schooner]

And don't do what I did early on and step too early and fuck things up.

[dusty turret]

I'll do my best, not looking to get flamed in the raid rofl

[oak tangle]

we locking in

[jade abyss]

Can we switch :/

Im terrible at plexus ...

[oak tangle]

playing sub soulbinder rn

we'll see hwo it goes

[scarlet orbit]

remember to hold for add spawns i alway forget to do it

[jade abyss]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TqCjcxLX9dr1P4YN?fight=32&type=damage-done its possible to tell me what im doing wrong here? I know its heroic but i want to improve

[quiet oar]

Better kill timer

[jade abyss]

[jaunty sky]

Playing fatebound with a 2min trinket

[jade abyss]

I have no better one

[oak tangle]

i fucked up my second cd's

fat fingered blades

and then we dont break out any adds

for last 30%

[quiet oar]

ok 2 min trinket as fatebound its badge

[jaunty sky]

Eco dome prison for you

Go farm lily

Or grab a prism from normal

[junior goblet]

am i losing my mind or should this be working? im going through my raid logs and noticed i have 0 thistle tea casts outside the auto-cast from energy dumping. the macro just randomly broke??

[jaunty sky]

U got the thistle tea item anywhere

[junior goblet]

uhh, maybe in the bank?

[slate spire]

Hello guys, when would u use the hybrid build (at which m+ lvl) or would u just go bleed build all the way ?

[junior goblet]

def not in bags

[jaunty sky]

Bleed only

[slate spire]

thanks ^^

[jade abyss]

Bleed them out

[haughty flicker]

dig it deeper just to throw it away

just to throw it away

just to throw it away

[jade abyss]

Stop it

[haughty flicker]

i bleed it oooooouuuuuutt

[junior goblet]

i found it in my bank... so thats a thing? just delete and itll work again? lol

[haughty flicker]

yes

it fucks with the macro if you have the old item literally anywhere

its hype

[junior goblet]

super cool game...

[jaunty sky]

Might have to relog after deleting it

[jade abyss]

So its only bad killtime and trinket?

[jade abyss]

I hate dome so much :<

[vale fox]

Yo i havent seen whispyr in here in a while

Wonder what he’s up to

[jaunty sky]

you're not shivving correctly

2 shivs for DM+KB and 1 shiv for the KB in between

[jade abyss]

I know sometimes i shiv to early

Thanks

❤️

[jaunty sky]

pretty sure you're also losing uses(only one in this fight but still)

also lusting on pull kinda sucks

but it's basically the mix of things you can control: 1.5min trinket or Prism and better shivs

and things you cant really control like lusting on pull instead of P2 and the fight being like 45s too long

oh actually you might not have enough crit for fatebound, might be worth looking into idk

[jade abyss]

I need more crit? Okay o.o

[jaunty sky]

you might idk

i got 3k more base plus double crit weapon enchant and the crit thing in the delve belt

worth to sim it

i mightve been overcapping as well idk

[jade abyss]

My current gear was the best sim i could have

My crafted belt was outsimming the delve one

[normal mist]

hopefully you were simming with the right belt power, correct?

720 will outsim the delve belt anyway

[glossy dust]

im covering DM with shiv not KB right?

[normal mist]

yes

[glossy dust]

good i was fricking out

[normal mist]

initial info about FB was that you would send the second shiv to fill the last 8 seconds of kb during DM, but that info was quickly proven wrong by sims

[glossy dust]

i was just on plexus and was liuke huh

somehow this doesnt work

timewhise

[normal mist]

TLDR during DM KB you fit both shivs INSIDE DM // during solo KB you fit 1 shiv on the last 8 seconds. This way, and if you're not fucking up your CDS, you'll always have 2 for DM, 1 for Solo KB

Assuming 4piece

Which everyone should have by now

[glossy dust]

well

soon for sure

[normal mist]

you do have the catalyst charges for it

[glossy dust]

ye but everything is still to low ilvl because of fresh

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/good-doctor-note-taking-taking-notes-notes-gif-13852159233854252286

[glossy dust]

its fine tho gearing is like super fast u get like 710 after 2 weeks

[normal mist]

if you get boosted yeah

(since playing a low ilvl dps at this time in the season must be hell)

[weary stump]

The m+ coal mines truly

[glossy dust]

idk my friends pushed my mage once trough all m0 and then i was 710 after 2 weeks

[normal mist]

"my friends pushed my mage"

"if you get boosted yeah"

thats exactly what i said

[glossy dust]

i mean m0 is really

not getting boosted

this one finished 642 after story and u easily find people to do m0 with

sure its not as fast but works easy

[normal mist]

m0 is champion 1, which is like 680 something?

[glossy dust]

ye 681

[normal mist]

unless you really no life solo, getting 710 in 2 weeks is hard as a dps

i did get 712 on my tank monk in 2 weeks, but i got normal raid boosted twice and 1 heroic boosted with my guild

[glossy dust]

i did run alot of m+ and prob some drop luck but still

its 670 rn

and i got invited to normal raid

[tired bloom]

i'm at 697. 1 month, roughly 25 hours of playtime. Gear mostly from delves / vault

very hard to get invited anywhere under 690 or so ilvl

[earnest remnant]

4 weeks 720 are u even trying royal u slacker

[normal mist]

I'm not a mythic raider my homie

i'm a casual AOC raider that does some 10's xD

[earnest remnant]

ive got 0 loot from mythic raids on my havoc

however

they did drop in my vault

most of my myth track items are from HM taz

[normal mist]

Never done it

[glossy dust]

hm drops myth track items?

[normal mist]

1 yes

hard mode

no deaths

[glossy dust]

is it farmable or

prob not

[jaunty sky]

Once a week

[glossy dust]

taz loot table?

[earnest remnant]

yes

[glossy dust]

i mean dagger or pieces for catalysator surely isnt bad

its surely hard tho

on st is kingsbane still the highest dmg in details?

[normal mist]

its up there

probably envenom followed by either coins or KB

[glossy dust]

oh good

im getting fucked on these rolls

so this is how u guys feel when u dont get shit

[jade abyss]

Yeah

:)

[distant plinth]

Yea delve belt loses value vs items at 710++ so

[vital pond]

Hey, here is my log from yesterday mind taking a look ?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/thpJc6Cj8xFaGrQY

[celest ruin]

got yanked by the tank rip

[jade abyss]

That soulhunter ^^

[zealous moth]

not locked in
indeed

[oak tangle]

your caustic is still giga low

[vital pond]

how do i make it go higher ?

[oak tangle]

uptime

like the first 20s of your openers on every pack before you mutilate

is jsut wasted time

you might honestly be served better to mutilate he whoel time

and only fok once you are used to keeping up caustic

instead of the reverse

[vital pond]

so its better to cast mutilate when i dont have FoK proc ?

[oak tangle]

technically no, but it's alot better than not having caustic on mobs

[vital pond]

so ive been doing my opener wrong ?

kind off

when i dont mutilate at the end of opener my damage is wasted cuz not having caustic ?

[oak tangle]

no mutilates that entire time

so you are fok envenom spamming, without the cleave mechanic our spec relies on in aoe

a full minute on an aoe pack, with no mutilates to maintain caustic

[vital pond]

oh i see

so with caustic up its totally okay to spam Fok + envenom

[oak tangle]

yes

but you cant drop caustic

[unborn rain]

u just weave in a mutilate every couple of gcds

[oak tangle]

i would suggest, just mutilate spam a prio targe

Try a key, and replace your fok bind with mutilate

It’s honestly not even troll

[vital pond]

thank you for the tips ill definetly try

[glacial stump]

Youre also not applying your deathstalkers mark to a target. Open with ambush to apply the mark, your first rupture will consume one of the stacks which you miss a few times. Just keep track of caustic, weave in a mutilate every now and again

[main bridge]

Caustic lasts 10s so you don’t have to spam it, just be aware and keep it up in AOE

[frigid lagoon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[midnight scroll]

to avoid any confusion, Rogan meant Deathstalker's Mark, which is different than your main cooldown - Deathmark

but yea if you don't have Deathstalker's Mark on your target you're losing a looooot of damage since the whole hero talent tree revolves around progressing your mark

[oak tangle]

Just a mut / ambush problem in general

[glacial stump]

Thanks yeah sorry, i corrected it

Apply the mark, spread the dots(consuming a mark or 2 spreading ruptures) send it

[midnight scroll]

yea for now open with ambush, and keep caustic up with mut at all times

once you get more comfortable with the spec and you'll be able to use the 6 seconds of subterfuge to your advantage, for example - when you're stealthed and a bad cast is about to go off, you can break stealth with kick and ambush a target in those 6 seconds to apply mark

but don't worry about that stuff now, just mentioning it because it's another way of applying mark while also maybe saving a key at some point

[oak tangle]

full send muts / ambush's instead of fok will get them a long way

even though it's not optimal, it is at least more prio damage, and will be more aoe than they do now

[weary stump]

On a hot day would fan of knives cool our victims off

[unborn rain]

ahaha who up chaining their envenom

[slim garden]

Is the caustic spatter bug fixed?

[runic hinge]

whats the bug

[slim garden]

Whispyr made a video about it some time ago

[spice spire]

Singular focus bug?

[spice spire]

Was getting yo that

[toxic hazel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cPzkD2NFLbYdj7ay?fight=22&type=damage-done&source=19
Would anyone be able to give me some pointers. I kinda struggle getting above blue on ST in general

[lunar pond]

Coins giveth and coins taketh away. On mobile but nothing looked really off with CDs/Shiv. Didn’t get full value out of the last DM/KB so kill time has a little to do with it

Breaks can screw you on that fight depending on timing with your CDs

[shell plaza]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[weary stump]

Fatebound has taught us all that having the wrong currency (wrong coin side) really does make things worse

[toxic hazel]

Fair enough. Thanks for having a look 🙂

[lunar pond]

Yeah something to remember on the parses is you are contending with ~20 streaks tails, bugged extra DMs inside of execute range, etc. The stars just have to align for the orange/purple in a lot of cases.

[toxic hazel]

Ooft ye hadn't even thought about that

[lunar pond]

If your uptimes are good and you manage cd/shiv like you should, most of the rest is out of your control

[weary stump]

Your parse is but a flip of a coin away from gold

Still hilarious to me that they didn't make fatebound good last tier instead, during the casino boss

[midnight scroll]

stix was the real casino boss

[weary stump]

Stix and stones can't break my bones, but a heads flip ruins the parse

[midnight scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/bars-bars-conceited-reginald-sergile-yo-mtv-raps-s1e4-gif-25830290

[unborn rain]

anyone know if the 704-710 upgrades are gonna use runed after tomorrow

[weary stump]

I'm here all week

[runic hinge]

they wont

still gonna be guilded

[grand atlas]

Hello

I only pool when its desthmark/kingbane window, like pooling for 10s before its gets of its cds?

[keen spruce]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[keen spruce]

[grand atlas]

So if i got that right i only pool for kingsbane window without deathmark?

[keen spruce]

yeah

cuz when you DM you're gonna get a bunch of energy back

but like it's not necessarily bad to pool if you want

just doesn't matter that much

[grand atlas]

Alright:)

[tawny geyser]

Feelsbadman 🙁

[hallow imp]

What is the bug with assa??

[golden loom]

Pretty sure with turboboost assa is gonna be better on nexus king

[peak bobcat]

its already better if you dont care about platform pad

[golden loom]

Like sure sub can maybe padd harder on platforms but it also does the lowest boss damage in the game

[waxen oyster]

(no one look at boss dmg while im playing sub)

ngl im considering sending araz on sin this week

[golden loom]

Araz has always been a sin fight

[haughty flicker]

i played assa on araz our first kill

[coral ibex]

but can assa do 30m dps in the amp

[haughty flicker]

because dropping adds behind puddles was pissing me off

when i was on sub

[golden loom]

Probably

[haughty flicker]

[golden loom]

(havent gotten to the damage amp yet and im playing fury next week so no idea )

[haughty flicker]

fury

[golden loom]

Based spec

[coral ibex]

based on what

[waxen oyster]

fury is like outlaw

[golden loom]

[waxen oyster]

if outlaw was good

[golden loom]

If outlaw was based and good and cool and sick

[waxen oyster]

But yeah idk

[coral ibex]

because of an undocumented change aka a bug

[waxen oyster]

maybe nk with turbo

and aura buff

[subtle tundra]

touch me...

[golden loom]

Nah it was fun even before the bugfix

[coral ibex]

the warriors in my guild need to shut the hell up man

yea i get it

you got bugged to go crazy in aoe

[golden loom]

Mountain thane tier set is also sick (cant compete sadly)

[waxen oyster]

it competes

just play prot

[golden loom]

If I wanted to tank I would do dungeons on my classic warrior

[waxen oyster]

idk what im playing for reset

[golden loom]

Im only playing fury this week cause other warrior afk

[weary stump]

Are you... Furious about it

[golden loom]

Kinda goated tho, I will get gilded achieve on warr and have cheaper upgrades on rogue

[waxen oyster]

big brain

craft slots you dont already have max on alts

to save on main

[golden loom]

Have a myth belt and 60 crests saved

[waxen oyster]

yeah im 718 bags and will have 180 gilded

[golden loom]

So I wonder if I get the achievment I should be able to upgrade gloves insta, and then lets say I upgrade mh sword I have cheaper dagger upgrade?

[waxen oyster]

also good lord your warrior is large

[golden loom]

Yeah idk its all pugs + vault

[weary stump]

[waxen oyster]

warrior upgrades one wep

and gets discount for all weps

its nice

[golden loom]

Praying for soul hunter boots in vault for Rogue tho and then I send a lil pug and snipe gloves

[golden loom]

Yeah I think I can game some crests with turbo boost if I re-craft offhand first aswell but not sure

Cause MH weapon should be a free upgrade to uhh 726 or whatever

[waxen oyster]

I wonder if they raise gilded gain from delves

on reset

[waxen oyster]

nah warrior just needs to upgrade mh

then relog

[golden loom]

Think it should be 20 crests from a map yeah hopefully

[waxen oyster]

Which

you could just not do the last week’s map just grab the buff before reset

then you can get 2 map chests of crests in one reset

[golden loom]

Already done all my maps on 6 chars this week I think

[waxen oyster]

Yeah im holding rogue’s

so i get an easy 60 in like 10 minutes

[golden loom]

Didnt know that was a thing...

[waxen oyster]

if its buffed

its weird every week’s map

has its own thing

[waxen oyster]

craft a belt on war i imagine

save belt costs on main

[fathom nimbus]

what do you lose taking ironwire?

!ironwire

!garrote

gah

[waxen oyster]

like 4-5%

[golden loom]

Well I have a 707 belt in bags on it

And a 707 belt in bags on rogue

Glad to be droppin delve belt

[waxen oyster]

soulbinder belt?

my rogue has plexus belt 714 from vault

[golden loom]

Nah think first vault slot on warr was a belt

[waxen oyster]

it still sims at a 20k loss

for me

[golden loom]

Have plexus belt on rogue

[waxen oyster]

maybe with nerf that will change

[golden loom]

I mean yeah

Delve belt is getting headshot (in my mind idc its dead to me)

[waxen oyster]

isnt it only 20%

it better not sim higher for me still….

[golden loom]

Just delete it asap when reset hits

And never think about it again

You gonna let a clanker tell you to wear a dumb nerfed 701 ilvl piece of shit?

[haughty flicker]

real

[waxen oyster]

clanker gonna tell me what pair of pants to wear

atp

I expect big gains on reset anyway

since get to send 2 upgrade tiers on the big slots

rip anyone that still has a champ prism though

since they typically dont apply the 2 upgrade tiers to champ gear

[jaunty sky]

just buy a hero prism with dinar at that point

[coral ibex]

im just gonna buy a myth prism with my first dinar

[waxen oyster]

im probs buying forge

[coral ibex]

why would you go forge over prism

[waxen oyster]

i have fr nothing else to buy

i have prism

myth

[coral ibex]

aha

[waxen oyster]

and soulhunter myth

[coral ibex]

yes well

must be nice

[waxen oyster]

and antenna

[haughty flicker]

mfw i have a myth track forge and champ track prism

[coral ibex]

i have myth lily and champ prism

[vagrant urchin]

You again

[haughty flicker]

we already proved im the original

[waxen oyster]

granted

[vagrant urchin]

and prolly the better one

[waxen oyster]

isnt forge just for sub double on use shit

[haughty flicker]

definitely not better

just oldge

[golden loom]

And m+

[vagrant urchin]

:c

[waxen oyster]

idk if i have anything else to buy

dimmy ring for more hps?

[golden loom]

Dying with prism stacks in m+

[coral ibex]

nah id rather have prism in m+ bc you just get more stacks when you have to hold DM bc it comes up at a bad time

[golden loom]

Also forge means you have a trinket on first pull

[coral ibex]

just dont die with stacks

xd

[waxen oyster]

prism/forge/boots/antenna only real value dinar items

this tier

[golden loom]

Antenna bad item and I wont hear anything else

[waxen oyster]

what you dont like getting 4 stacks in db

right before having to fly?

[golden loom]

Wouldnt know #pacemakergang

[waxen oyster]

I have both

[haughty flicker]

i have a champ track antenna too

trinkets so dogshit this tier

actually insane

[waxen oyster]

Somehow my rat warrior

has an hc prism

and antenna

too bad prism sucks on war

[golden loom]

My dk

[waxen oyster]

are boots hero

[golden loom]

Champ sadly

[waxen oyster]

unrucky

i have a warbound omega ring

[golden loom]

I have hero boots on warr/dh and champ on rogue/dk/hunter

[waxen oyster]

though dimmy ring is less useful

when you realize not alot of dmg is cosmic

[golden loom]

I saw shindig run dimmy ring on DH in gambit mdi practice

Not sure why

[waxen oyster]

alot of haste?

i think its the biggest haste ring

[jaunty sky]

good stats maybe

[scarlet orbit]

doesnt it also reduce all the stuff cosmic is made of?

[golden loom]

Yeah but you dont want that much haste on dh

Crit mast is big on dh

[waxen oyster]

you want some haste

[scarlet orbit]

so it should reduce arcane holy nature and shadow dmg and there is quite a bit a few in the dungeons

[waxen oyster]

since you go way into dr

no im pretty sure absorbing cosmic

only takes cosmic

[golden loom]

Yeah I think thats the way it works

Idk tho

[waxen oyster]

Its the biggest haste ring this season

then theres a hero one from delves

soleah’s damage is probably cosmic

and well all of the broker area

[golden loom]

Yeah thats probably why

[waxen oyster]

its also just you’re not gonna see people send crit mast on all rings and necks this season

due to dr

and you still want some haste

[golden loom]

Well with DH you just want infinite crit

Know your enemy bonkers talent

[waxen oyster]

Even then it gets to a point

my reaver sims prefer crit

compared to fs

[thorn fjord]

Gamesbad for a rogue these days

[ancient ingot]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[errant swallow]

Yes

[shell crater]

looking to swap from sub to assa - does araz/prism combo work for assa?

or is it gonna be ass until I can get an antenna?

[balmy condor]

I mean it works, but it’s not great

[shell crater]

I mean I have screams of a forgotten sky idk if thats any better with prism

or incorporeal warpclaw lol

[balmy condor]

Nah that trinket blows unless you’re doing like 15 minute kills

That trinket also blows

[shell crater]

Then I shall pray for an antenna lol

[glossy dust]

alot of blowing going on

[jaunty sky]

Farm floodgate for pacemaker

[nocturne quail]

THATS A BUG FIX FELLAS

[vestal geyser]

??? elaborate

[buoyant pilot]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-siu-siuu-siuuu-alnassr-gif-27428790

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-its-happening-ok-stay-calm-the-office-gif-6091046

[nocturne quail]

surely they fixed everything else too right

[vestal geyser]

nice

[lusty narwhal]

Omg

[vestal geyser]

1 bug down

20 to go

[lusty narwhal]

Surely there are some others fixed

[haughty flicker]

everyone already forgot the last time they posted that a bug was fixed in the patch notes

[vestal geyser]

just checked and thats it

whatever

[lusty narwhal]

Yeah but shadow fixes

[shell crater]

fair

[restive hawk]

yaaaaaa we fixed

[lusty narwhal]

Not quite

[desert crest]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/class-tuning-incoming-8-october-591101

Only the new fatebound bug

Pretty sadge

[lusty narwhal]

Its not new

[cedar elm]

rogue fucked again

[lusty narwhal]

Was just undiscovered

[desert crest]

Same same

[haughty flicker]

good thing blizzard hasnt already fucked up a fatebound bugfix twice this patch

surely this time its actually fixed right

[restive hawk]

pls let me at least grab that straw

[lusty narwhal]

Nah

[desert crest]

Ngl i think there is maybe 0.4 developers working on live atm

Probably pushing it

[ornate dawn]

woah there, junior developers

interns

[spice surge]

I mean its like a 2-3% buff, thats definitely not completely fucked

[winged quail]

Somehow Caustic Spatter will now cause you to cleave coins to every target in range

[desert crest]

Yeah but no change in m+

[royal hazel]

Rogue bufff frost dk mage and hunter nerf. Winning

[desert crest]

Who cares about raid at this point

[royal hazel]

True

[spice surge]

Other classes getting nerfed is a buff to assa

[royal hazel]

But winning in raid feels good

[desert crest]

Yeah only good thing about this patch

They just missed also nerfing havoc lul

[winged quail]

I would wait to see if there are more undocumented bug fixes tbh, there have been a lot of undocumented fixes/changes this tier feels like

[royal hazel]

Cant even get m+ groups 16+

[blazing tulip]

Are they giving us the % damage we didnt have or just adjusting the displayed value?

[royal hazel]

All we got is raid 😉

[desert crest]

Aint no way they fix all the stuff and only write one of them right?

[frozen iris]

My question as well

[winged quail]

giving back the missing damage

[cunning scaffold]

Basically the number we simmed for a couple weeks ago is back. It was a lie until now

[desert crest]

Surely they would want to farm the W

[nocturne quail]

aint no way they fix one and not all the others right ?

[desert crest]

Yeah it does seem very dumb

[blazing tulip]

Nice, it leaves us with only 377 untouched bugs

[royal hazel]

Surely

[uneven plume]

fixed one bug, 20 more appeared

[desert crest]

But i guess the memes where true rogue getting fixed in midnight

[uneven plume]

soon rogue wont be able to go into stealth due to bugs

[winged quail]

now heads coins will give 8% damage amp permenantly per coin

[summer cape]

They fixed 1 out of the 10 bugs yayy

[drifting cedar]

What bug is fixed?

[lean portal]

maybe they fixed all bugs and its just a surprise ?

[desert crest]

dumb fatebound bug

[placid adder]

yall gonna make whispyr implode

[cinder geode]

heads giving 2% per stack damage buff instead of 10

[desert crest]

What isn't at this point lul

[summer cape]

Suuuuuuuuuure

[drifting cedar]

Oh so random cdr not fixed yet

[desert crest]

Nope

[lean portal]

i believe in them its already two months they can do it

[desert crest]

Basically nothing important was fixed

[cinder geode]

is that why my cds are randomly desyncing in raid i wasnt sure why lol

[desert crest]

Yes

[royal hazel]

Yes lol

[drifting cedar]

Probably

[royal hazel]

Annoying on araz am I right

[cinder geode]

never a problem on araz because i always play sub on it lol

[royal hazel]

Eww

[desert crest]

Yeah sub is a godsent this tier

With assa being omega bugged on half the fights

[winged quail]

Sub on Araz is so fun

[plush isle]

hope they fixed the Cold Blood Bug

[royal hazel]

Not a fan ngl

[desert crest]

Surely

[royal hazel]

Fatebound on araz ftw

[haughty flicker]

sub famously bug free spec

[desert crest]

Omegalul

[haughty flicker]

fb pretty good on araz yeah

since adds just die insta anyway

[brave stump]

can i get a 123 i need to st a critter real quick

[haughty flicker]

can do damage amp and gg

[desert crest]

True but atleast sub is good despite the bugs

[royal hazel]

Cooldowns line up perfectly too

[true tide]

so is them fixing the coins bug just them saying the tierset bs is a feature?

[desert crest]

Yeah i mean it looks like it is never going to be fixed

[somber sparrow]

it's the rogue way

[desert crest]

Just part of the spec now

[somber sparrow]

there have been patches in our past where rogues got nary a mention

[haughty flicker]

they already fixed that

there was a patch note and everything

blizzard would never say something is fixed if it wasnt

[desert crest]

https://tenor.com/view/rotating-skull-gif-24524852

[lucid silo]

they fixed fatebound heads but literally none of the other bugs

[runic hinge]

3% buff

[cunning scaffold]

Sin is pretty good on all the bosses if you just want boss damage and free cleave

[lusty narwhal]

Sometimes things get fixed without them saying they are

Wait for pins

[desert crest]

Is true

[runic hinge]

Twice

[desert crest]

But i feel like in this case they would want to farm the W's

[haughty flicker]

surely not thrice now though

[desert crest]

If they fixed more then they say they did

[lusty narwhal]

Farm W’s from their least represented class

[desert crest]

Ngl i just don't think there are any live devs left with all the midnight stuff going on

[haughty flicker]

well yeah

this is fated season

nobody is working on live

[desert crest]

Wasnt supposed to be really tho?

[haughty flicker]

it was always going to be

[desert crest]

Fated was supposed to be a thing of the past

[lusty narwhal]

How is this fated what

[runic hinge]

It’s remix season

[desert crest]

Yeah can't say i disagree

[runic hinge]

[haughty flicker]

people here shit on fated because they had the dumb opinion that without it they'd get more content

[desert crest]

Just a bit sadge

[haughty flicker]

when blizzard always allocates all resources to the next expac at the end

[lusty narwhal]

This season is nothing like fated

[desert crest]

Yeah well i mean with proper mangement it should be possible

Just not that easy

[prime hull]

Surely they fixed the tierset without saying right

[severe meadow]

We talk about the coin patch yet

Are we Pogging

[desert crest]

Yeah

No

kinda

[severe meadow]

Sick

[desert crest]

Is a 3% buff

[lusty narwhal]

Well we gain at least 3% back I guess

• raid buff

[haughty flicker]

but i was told without fated we'd get a season 4 and more content

[lusty narwhal]

[haughty flicker]

definitely doesnt turn out this is just how the last season always goes

[desert crest]

Well maybe if future expacs arn't wow2 the game

[runic hinge]

Better than wod turned out

[desert crest]

They will have more time in s3

[haughty flicker]

surely

[desert crest]

Surely

[haughty flicker]

[desert crest]

Will probably just downsize dev team instead

[subtle kiln]

nah move them all to housing

[haughty flicker]

unironically tho

wheres my cat tree blizzard

chop chop

[runic hinge]

I need housing rn

I’ll give them even more money for preorder

[haughty flicker]

i havent preordered yet

but i probably will

[severe meadow]

Same

[haughty flicker]

[severe meadow]

Got BF6 preorder tho

[haughty flicker]

bf6 looks good but holy fuck imagine preordering a battlefield game

[severe meadow]

I played the beta and had a really good time with friends

It’s been a very long time since I’ve pre ordered one tho

[stark matrix]

Don't have to already did

also

[runic hinge]

I preordered day 1 so I can flex my new mounts on my friend who calls me a blizzard shill

[ebon notch]

is this fix for fatebound the thing htat was fucking assa?

[stark matrix]

I mean I'd rather preorder BF6 then deal with this

I mean

At least BF6 works reasonably well

[severe meadow]

I can’t wait to see the movement changes they did

[fallen charm]

"8% less"

[severe meadow]

Been a lot of tak about it

Talk

[haughty flicker]

i do hope bf6 ends up good

i'll play the fuck out of it if it does

[severe meadow]

Did you play beta bel?

[fallen charm]

Why not say, "now it works"

[haughty flicker]

nah didnt have time

heard a lot of good things though

[severe meadow]

It’s the best battlefield (imo) since like 3 or 4

[stark matrix]

Don't really need to do much hoping, the beta was proof

[severe meadow]

And I loved 3

[gray raven]

Did we seriously not get stuff addressed again

[stark matrix]

Campaign probably gonna be meh but is it truly a good Battlefield game if the campaign isn't middling at best?

[fallen charm]

Thank god we didn't

[severe meadow]

They did something with coins. Is that nothing?

[fallen charm]

Imagine all the new bugs we would have if they tried

They should just give a 5% aura buff and delete the class when the season is over

[stark matrix]

They gave up, their fix is just waiting until midnight when they completely gut the class anyways

[fallen charm]

Make a new rogue for midnight

[severe meadow]

The pruning is hitting just about everyone to be fair

We all finna be bored

[stark matrix]

nah

warrior seems mostly same

[severe meadow]

That’s what I’m likely swapping to xd

[stark matrix]

actually better in reality

Warlock also seems to be better

[normal mist]

Fatebound: Fixed an issue that caused the damage bonus provided by Fatebound Coin (Heads) to be 8% lower than the displayed value.

[stark matrix]

same with UH DK

[severe meadow]

Told my guild today it’s either warrior or rogue for me in midnight

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/beast-mastery-hunter-arcane-mage-and-frost-dk-nerfed-on-weekly-reset-378776?utm_source=discord-webhook

[fallen charm]

What pruning? All I saw was we got a new spell, a soothe

[severe meadow]

Late to the party…..

[flint tusk]

Damn royal late to the party

[waxen oyster]

i feel warrior mains are perpetually complaining too

[stark matrix]

There are actually a decent amount of classes that are either same same or better

[severe meadow]

I haven’t looked into much and the warrior that just retired from our team didn’t even look at the changes

[stark matrix]

as a warrior main I think this is false

[normal mist]

fuck

[waxen oyster]

well its mostly m+ andys

[severe meadow]

We still appreciate you pookie

[waxen oyster]

who are never happy with anything

[stark matrix]

Well understandably lmao

[waxen oyster]

like

make friends

[severe meadow]

I hate m+ anyway

[waxen oyster]

how fucking hard is that

[severe meadow]

I’m here for the raids

[stark matrix]

hard capped to 5 targets and never actually good at 5 targets and the only time they are good at it they get nerfed

[waxen oyster]

Yeah same

Miss me with people doing the same dungeon

for 6 months

[stark matrix]

when was the last time you saw warrior dps in meta for keys?

[severe meadow]

True

[waxen oyster]

tomb of sargeras

[stark matrix]

yeah.....

so like

[severe meadow]

I just don’t feel like pushing IO outside of 3k for mount

[stark matrix]

that's actually an understandable complaint

[severe meadow]

And even the mount is dog

[waxen oyster]

real question is

why does meta

matter so much

most people arent doing content it matters

[severe meadow]

Play meta to get invited

[fallen charm]

It doesn't

[severe meadow]

The no friend strat

[stark matrix]

because the higher you go in the key rung the harder it gets to group if you aren't meta

[winged widget]

sheep menthality

it is what it is

[stark matrix]

reality it doesn't matter much, in practice? it matters a lot if you value your time

[waxen oyster]

then be prepared

to reroll every season

[winged widget]

yes

fotm life

[severe meadow]

I reroll every expac or so

Whatever looks fun to play

[waxen oyster]

either way its a community problem

[stark matrix]

accepting this fate does not mean you have to be happy with it

[severe meadow]

I mean for sure

[waxen oyster]

a spec could only be marginally better and community shills it

as mandatory

[stark matrix]

nor does it mean that you should be happy with it

[waxen oyster]

I’d just play fotm if i really cared

to do wf keys

[royal hazel]

I blame demon hunter dps for rogues not getting into keys.

[fallen charm]

Unless you are playing a tank, meta or no meta dps have to wait a while for pug keys

[stark matrix]

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to want the spec they enjoy the most to have a non-frustrating grouping experience

[unborn rain]

yooo

were so back

[waxen oyster]

its called making friends

i hate playing with pugs even if my spec is good

[stark matrix]

I promise you, you didn't have to wait as aug during the augpocalypse 🙂

[waxen oyster]

i play tank i flame my dps for being dogs

i play dps i flame the tank for being a dog

[fallen charm]

INB4: New bug where we don't get the 2% buff for each heads stack

[waxen oyster]

aug was a stupid spec

that actually made a giant impact

[stark matrix]

is

[waxen oyster]

real

[nova fractal]

At least we finally got a “buff” in the form of a bug fix

[fallen charm]

Aug was kinda playing tank/healer

[severe meadow]

Nuh uh

[waxen oyster]

Aug would be less problematic

if they only buffed dps

[stark matrix]

if it was a tank?

[waxen oyster]

the fact is they helped survivability too

[unborn rain]

yuh huh

[stark matrix]

aug rework as tank when?

[waxen oyster]

tbh i feel like

supoort specs in other games that make tanks tankier

generally dont do damage

as a tradeoff

[fallen charm]

No one cares about tank (if they are taking more dmg)

It would either be mandatory or useless

[stark matrix]

wut?

[waxen oyster]

i find it funny they make aug

when they considered disc doing almost real dps damage

a problem

in older wow

cancel aug buffs

fight the system

[stark matrix]

The only way I'd be fine with aug is if they just completely rework it to where your damage as an aug isn't tied to others performance at all

[waxen oyster]

No i just want outright removal

[stark matrix]

you wanna give it buttons that do debuffs on mobs that contribute a flat damage increase etc. or damage proc fine

[waxen oyster]

i cant wait for devourer to be insanely op

they can cast while moving

btw

[stark matrix]

but none of this stat increase bs

[stark matrix]

only their filler

[fallen charm]

Bm hunter says hi

[waxen oyster]

Still alot

[stark matrix]

neither of their actual damage casts (that aren't instant) are able to do that

[waxen oyster]

bm hunter is regulated by being mechanic bitch

[fallen charm]

A 40yd mellee spec

[waxen oyster]

and if you got a bm main who doesnt do mechanics

time to yeet

[stark matrix]

but I'll likely end up playing devourer

I like evoker a lot

[severe meadow]

Hot take but I like being a mechanic bitch

[stark matrix]

but no tank spec is ass

[severe meadow]

I think it’s fun

[round vapor]

This is beautiful.

Absolutely beautiful.

[waxen oyster]

depends on the mechanic in question

[severe meadow]

I’m bored as fuck mechanics wise this tier

[waxen oyster]

blizz is lazy

[severe meadow]

Soak beams on loomi…

[fallen charm]

What mechanic

[waxen oyster]

melee friendly=no mechanics

[severe meadow]

I’m pogging

[waxen oyster]

effectively

[fallen charm]

Target swap?

I don't think we have a single "bm hunter mechanic" this tier

[severe meadow]

Soul hunters.. melee friendly

[fallen charm]

Most are just randomly assigned shit

[severe meadow]

Fighting for my fucking life on hunters

[waxen oyster]

Yeah idk

soulhunters is

give healers a job

[severe meadow]

I don’t think we’re reclearing anymore so

[waxen oyster]

they complain

[severe meadow]

Rolling locks outs

[waxen oyster]

Healers are actually the whiniest role i swear to god

tell them to do their job they start complaining

[severe meadow]

Bro one of our healers is DOOMING about midnight

It’s insane

[fallen charm]

Sooo... talking about mechanics, I can't wait to see the new bosses and shit since we won't have big wigs/WA

[severe meadow]

Like actually almost unsubbed instantly

[unborn rain]

loser

[waxen oyster]

Idk midnight doesnt look promising

[unborn rain]

cough sorry

[waxen oyster]

sub and outlaw look dead

[unborn rain]

yeah lol

[severe meadow]

It’s either going to be good or really ass

No in between

[unborn rain]

aare they gonna bring back molten core tier mechanics

[waxen oyster]

I have no motivation for remix besides sargerei sets

[unborn rain]

am i gonna have to solve calculus in boss fights

[waxen oyster]

and i guess being able to use rogue mythic t20 shoulders on dh

instead of awkward pants that somewhat color match

[severe meadow]

I’m really interested to see blizz design fights that don’t require WAs

[unborn rain]

might be able to cop some elite sets

[severe meadow]

Not saying that we have a ton now but

[unborn rain]

if its anything like mop remix too

[waxen oyster]

we never had elite sets

on remix

[severe meadow]

Like s1 ovinax without WAs

Stix

Fract

[unborn rain]

r u sure? there was bugged ensembles

[waxen oyster]

i think remix had 1? unique recolor

[unborn rain]

that my friend told me about

[waxen oyster]

to the warrior set

[coral ibex]

ovinax was doable without weakauras especially after the first nerf

my first clear was all done with just bw assignments

[severe meadow]

How did you guarantee who got what tho

[coral ibex]

everyone had bigwigs

[severe meadow]

Was it not randomly assigned

[coral ibex]

no

[severe meadow]

Oh I see what you mean

[coral ibex]

if everyone has the same bossmod its fine

[severe meadow]

We did use bigwigs yeah

And some WA shit

[coral ibex]

the problem is some people still use dbm for some reason lol

and refuse to change

[severe meadow]

Yeah we had everyone swap or disable

DBM is so ass

[ocean ore]

thats should be considered as a nerf?

[balmy condor]

what

[haughty flicker]

[ocean ore]

i mean, we sim less than before?

or i miss understand it?

sorry

[balmy condor]

yes

and then blizzard fixed it, so it's going to go back up in a couple days

[ocean ore]

hummmmm

so its a good bugfix

haha

sorry

low iq

[balmy condor]

[severe meadow]

We love overthinking

[solid hemlock]

they fixed 1 (one) bug

[balmy condor]

you seem like the type of guy that's going to really enjoy midnight

[burnt star]

They fixed.. 1 hero talent 😅

[somber sparrow]

when pin about bug fix then 😄 hehe

[balmy condor]

when I get a minute

[somber sparrow]

i'm just teasing

[balmy condor]

what's the fucking point

[hearty seal]

one bugfix promised, yippee

[severe meadow]

Pookie upset 😔

[hearty seal]

it should be like 2% overall, yeah?

[balmy condor]

I'm getting baited

[burnt star]

We should keep the pin about deathstalker countdown

[balmy condor]

3-4 yeah

[hearty seal]

neat

gonna gap my raid even harder on Wed

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-dog-bark-ragebait-succesful-gif-13695976480928012940

[hearty seal]

bastards can barely cross 4 mil on H Dim

[burnt star]

On the hero talent u play on 3 fight 😅

[severe meadow]

Well 2

[burnt star]

Plexus. Loom fract ?

[hearty seal]

uhhh
don't you play FB on Salha and Dim too?

[severe meadow]

Are you playing DS on that fights?

[severe meadow]

Yes

[hearty seal]

DS works on Naz, Araz and SH

[haughty flicker]

you play fatebound the majority of the raid

[hearty seal]

otherwise it's FB town

[haughty flicker]

you dont even play ds on araz

[severe meadow]

DS on Araz?

[haughty flicker]

thats also fatebound

[severe meadow]

Go FB

[sterile swallow]

I do FB on all the fights because I suck at Deathstalker and only doing heroic.

[hearty seal]

tbh I think you can do decent on Araz with DM, but it's not worth atm

even with funnel and shit

[severe meadow]

FB on soulbinder is a choice

Not the right one

But a choice

[hearty seal]

Naz is made for DS tbh

[burnt star]

Well.. soulbinder doesnt matter

[severe meadow]

What you mean by that

[burnt star]

Killed with 18 people on a pug

So u could have 0 item and u wouldnt even int your group

Au contraire.. people will pad more

And they will be happy

[severe meadow]

Whatever you say little man

[burnt star]

Cant say im wrong little boy

[severe meadow]

You killed an easy boss in a pug. I’m happy for you, or something

Still play DS tho

[royal hazel]

Ds cranks on soul binder. Just dont mess up your cd timings

[brave stump]

Whispyr shotgun a white monster and get on the tierlist content

[vestal chasm]

White monster is one of the worst flavors

[severe meadow]

Yeah but he gives femboy aura

[burnt star]

That was exacly my point lol.. i said soulbinder doesnt matter. And u asked. Wdym.. then u just repeat what i say

[opaque sky]

I miss you guys

Frost discord is bland

[severe meadow]

Idk what you’re on about man

[sterile swallow]

So many discord are bland vs this channel

[brave stump]

No personalitys Just fotm homies

[severe meadow]

We were just explaining what you play where and you brought up killing the 3rd boss

As if I care if you did it in a pug or not

You can play either spec, kill it in a pug and say it doesn’t matter

For any of the bosses

[waxen oyster]

i didnt even get a good third cd set on naz last week

so my logs for that boss a whole ass pack of skittles

[severe meadow]

You have to do cringe shit to parse that fight now

Pretty cooked

[waxen oyster]

does killing the other aoe specs

count

[severe meadow]

No tbey just don’t aoe

Is the cringe part

[waxen oyster]

what if i send orbs into people and they die

[severe meadow]

Now we’re cooking

[waxen oyster]

asking for a friend

[coral ibex]

after turbo boost the soulbinder meta will just be trying to kill as soon as possible after the 2m add set

you will never see the 4:30 set

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i mean

everything gonna die so fast