assassination

[vale fox]

but currently using the mask

[rich field]

I guess I'll use the Mage Tower Set + Azzinoth Shards

[normal mist]

@vale fox i actually tested it, you can hit 5cps in a crit with both mutilate or ambush

[vale fox]

this is my usual

[normal mist]

so you can just have mutilate on both cases

[vale fox]

wait

srsly?

do you always crit out of stealth?

like first hit or something?

[normal mist]

no

but both can crit to 5 cps

[vale fox]

cuz what if you dont crit on the muti

then ur getting less cp?

cuz if thats the case why risk it no?

[rich field]

very cool, fits very well with the tusks

[vale fox]

thank you sir.

took a while

[normal mist]

In theory yes, but with the huge amount of crit we have thats rarely the case, but i do see your point

[vale fox]

yea im not leaving shit to chance.

with my luck im gonna somehow mutilate myself and heal the boss

no sir. i will keep this macro like this

Xd

[normal mist]

it was indeed a good discussion, and again, i'm not entitled in any way being better than anyone, im a shitty heroic raider LOL

[vale fox]

all good g

glad we figured something out

i learned 2 new things i didnt know

[normal mist]

i hope you enjoy the 0.1 better average

[vale fox]

niceeeee

literally same average no?

[normal mist]

i have 0.1 better :3

[vale fox]

you are

Xd

here i will leave this macro here

#showtooltip
/cast [form] Ambush; Sinister Strike

in case you wanna test it

[normal mist]

i know i could be better if my brain didnt afk in loomithar and died in exe phase or if i actually cleared dimy this week

[vale fox]

you can put muti on some hidden bar and have extra space for something else on main bar

[normal mist]

this are my bars

stealth bar on the bottom

[vale fox]

oh shit

brother

try my ui

[normal mist]

negative

mine has been forged in flames for years

[vale fox]

well yea i do pvp also

so its a lil unique

yea i played with a very different ui from MoP until 3 weeks ago

and then i overhauled everything

like 100% of it

it was weird at first but after that i got better results

due to cleaning everything up and remapping my intel gathering

[normal mist]

btw tmog wise, currently using this

[vale fox]

this is part new set from that trading post no?

looks actually nice

eyepatch and everything

yea those hands are tight

[normal mist]

pants and shoulders from trading post set

gloves and boots from white arathi set

[vale fox]

i saw them when i was looking to some transmogs myself

[normal mist]

i actually stole this from @haughty flicker

[vale fox]

get thieved Bel

true rogue fashion

HOLY SHIT

look at that pun

triple entandre

[normal mist]

i tried working around the karesh sets

[vale fox]

im ready to be a dad

[normal mist]

is the kid on the way?

[vale fox]

yea the karesh sets dont hit for me

no man i meant my stupid jokes XD

[normal mist]

i asked because my baby girl is indeed otw

[vale fox]

ohh nice

[normal mist]

so im also ready for it :3

[vale fox]

congrats

gotta get that 100 plexus parse..

first impressions matter

you dont want her to see that 99

[normal mist]

xD

if you like mogu from mop

[vale fox]

yes

mogu have really nice looks

[normal mist]

or pirate i guess

or green sub (ignore eyepatch, it bugged and stayed there)

or even this one

[rotund oak]

Hottest babe MULTIVERSE

[normal mist]

ok sorry assa chat i should return to my chambers at #transmog

[vale fox]

LOL

[normal mist]

OR EVEN SYLVANAS LOOKALIKE

[vale fox]

royal nice talking to you.

im gonna fall asleep

ill be back tomorrow

gl all

[normal mist]

thanks for the talk homie

ly gn

[vale fox]

ly2 gn

[rich field]

works 🙂

[sleek spear]

if the fight ends before we get our 3rd deathmark off, does DPS tank a ton?

look at those DKs pumping lol

3min20s fight

my sim showed 4.9m for a 5min fight

im a little below average because only managed to get off 2 sets of CDs

heroic fractillus btw

[jaunty sky]

yeah missing the last DM by that little is not great for dmg, especially bc it's the only one in execute(i assume)

and if you're stacking the big prism for that DM it's even worse

this is a 3min 20s kill where i pooled everything for the end and got 6s of my big CDs in

[ionic hill]

are we just not good at dawnbreaker

im always 3rd dps

[royal lantern]

you could be 5th

[vernal trout]

dawn is just weird because no funneling bosses

[ionic hill]

true

[ionic hill]

also true

[red schooner]

Also no execute on last boss

[jaunty sky]

yeah last boss is what makes it really bad

u got funnel on every mini boss

and funnel targets in like every pull

[oak tangle]

similar fight timer for myself
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QFnbqV9TP4yJ6gkN?fight=128&type=damage-done&source=145

[jaunty sky]

u got 10s more DM than us

[oak tangle]

4.9 if i got from 3:20

[jaunty sky]

no

[oak tangle]

what you mean

[jaunty sky]

you casted DM at 3:13

is what i mean

[oak tangle]

right, but i meant that if i stop the fight at 3:20 like you guys, my dps is 4.9m

[jaunty sky]

oh yeah, that lines up lmao

[haughty flicker]

i wanna check

what my giga dogshit parse would look like at 3:20

[oak tangle]

wont work well

[haughty flicker]

i dont mean actual parse

i just mean raw number

[oak tangle]

cause any times too far apart have dif executes

[jaunty sky]

i wanna know where i would be with like 10s longer kill time

[oak tangle]

like my myth plexus parse is ass, cause my 3 min dm window is at 36% boss hp

during shield

[strange moss]

for st fatebound sin in raid, i have thistle tea macroed with shiv. should i be pooling to around 200 energy before pressing shiv and kingsbane? or should it be lower? also shiv -> deathmark -> kingsbane

[oak tangle]

you only pool to 150 for asolo kingsbane

don't think about tea

[strange moss]

are u talking about shiv -> kingsbane? or kingsbane by itself?

[oak tangle]

you don't shiv kingsbane without dm

so solo kingsbane is without dm

[strange moss]

shiv is 30 seconds and kingsbane is 1min won't they naturally line up?

[oak tangle]

fatebound is not 1min

it's 45s

so you alternate

shiv > dm > kb > shiv

kb > shiv

shiv > dm > kb > shiv

etc

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[strange moss]

thanks for your help but is there a talent to make it 45 seconds? i can't find what im missing

[oak tangle]

4 pc

fatebound

makes dm 1.5 min

[strange moss]

aahh that makes sense

gotcha thanks man i really appreciate it

[oak tangle]

make sure you get the opener right

it's super important or you dont get the cdr

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[glossy dust]

u can force that?

[prime hull]

does anyone know how to sim with the nerfed belt for next patch

is there an override you can use

[glossy dust]

the rupture and envenom flip one itself - that can be either and with vanish u get 2 flips that are both and edge case if i understand correctly

if someone knows how it exactly works

[oak tangle]

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[glossy dust]

im having trouble piecing it together tbh

i asume it works with double jeopardy so u get 2x2 edge case flips

so vanish into deathmark gives u 4 ?

[unborn rain]

what is confusing about

[glossy dust]

piecing it together rn

2p flips another edge case coin

double jeopardy flips 2 being the same guaranteed

[unborn rain]

its really not rocket science

[crisp sluice]

any tips for full bleed build in M+ on 15+ keys? Im struggling big time with my ST on bosses at the 15 level

[glossy dust]

you know instead of just this "its really not rocket science" you could either just say how it is or say nothing at all

[proper bobcat]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[unborn rain]

hit the funny opener in the right order

[oak tangle]

env - 1/0
dm - 3/2
kb - 5/4
cold blood + vanish + env - 7/6
second env - 9/8

[unborn rain]

and stop thinking about it lo

[glossy dust]

its called understanding

[unborn rain]

lol

[oak tangle]

tier set doubles the effect of edge case, and using vanish / cold blood we can gurantee edge cases

[glossy dust]

ye i was just unsure how youre forcing the lucky coin

i read it as either deathmark or kb would 2x edge case

but from your list i see they both do

[oak tangle]

kb and dm are double edge cases, cb copies the previous (edge cases) twice and vanish makes any of the previous 2 env give an extra stack

so you dont even need the vanish, but if you press rupture before the second envenom you can cook yourself

[glossy dust]

i understand - ty

since cb copies the previous it shouldnt matter if i bind it to kb then

i think

[oak tangle]

exactly, and that's why we do it

[glossy dust]

its just moves the numbers back

does it work

i guess

it would be 7/6 on kb then and 8/7 after first env

[oak tangle]

why?

you have to use the env

cb doesn't copy

it just makes the env copy

[glossy dust]

iirc cb works for next two abilites + somenthing else

[oak tangle]

2 more env

[glossy dust]

ye

so the ability after copies the coin before

[oak tangle]

how are we at 7/6 on the kb

[glossy dust]

youre right the env would copy whatever kb flipped

wait no

i didnt read properly sorry it only applies to envenom it says right there

[oak tangle]

👍

[glossy dust]

aight have to make a note on that opener looks a bit diffrent

[oak tangle]

it's in the guide?

??

[glossy dust]

not complety no?

[oak tangle]

the only thing that is not completely in the guide

is that you can vanish anywhere between the shiv and the envenom

[glossy dust]

but also not the double envenom

i cant find the message rn

the two envenoms were right behind eachother

[oak tangle]

it is more important on dm windows without vanihs

[glossy dust]

here this

[oak tangle]

cause vanish allows you to not need the double

[glossy dust]

i see

[oak tangle]

but you would still not want to rupture before you consume the cb stacks

cause you'll break half of the streak

[glossy dust]

there is quiet some things happening

streak?

[oak tangle]

coins?

what do you mean

[glossy dust]

ah

ye obv

it also flips

what youre trying to say is lucky coin streak or the time i have the double buff

[oak tangle]

so with all the cd's we are talking about, you will have something like 10 stacks of tails and 9 stacks of heads

if you rupture early, you will snap it from being 11 and 10, to being just 11 or 10

[glossy dust]

i have no clue what that means

[oak tangle]

edge case

is a tails and heads

[glossy dust]

yes the next finisher

flips tails/heads again right?

[fallen charm]

Insted of 11/10 you'd be 10

[glossy dust]

so either one

[oak tangle]

so when you chain edge cases you get stacks of both

[glossy dust]

oh the or i didnt see

inbetween 11 OR 10

[oak tangle]

for the most part you wont have to worry

[glossy dust]

what i dont see is since the next finisher has to flip either heads or tails

i will be im guessing that stacks to 12 or 11

[oak tangle]

essentially yeah

[glossy dust]

so that one finisher (plus builders)

are not getting both

[oak tangle]

builders?

what

[glossy dust]

mutilate

[oak tangle]

it has zero impact on coins

[glossy dust]

no but the other way around

what im saying is

if i rupture early

i wont get dmg + the % on the builders too

until the next finisher that will flip either heads or tails

atleast thats how i understand the "damage of your attacks +10%"

[oak tangle]

i mean yeah sure, it's a weird distinction to make

no

all our abilities are attacks

env, rupture, garrote etc

[glossy dust]

yes thts how i understand it aswell

[oak tangle]

so why make the distinction

[glossy dust]

what distinction

i was trying to say

[oak tangle]

we lose stacks, doesn't matter if its on mutilate or not

[glossy dust]

so we are at 11 and 10

we flip a coin at a finisher

you say dont rupture early so that you dont be 11 or 10

[oak tangle]

that's not what i said

[glossy dust]

then i added oh and the builders

[oak tangle]

i said dont rupture when you have 2 cb charges

[glossy dust]

sorry didnt add that to it

[oak tangle]

consume the cb charges on env before you rupture

[glossy dust]

and then i tried to add

got it

ill just double envenom to make sure

the point i was trying to make was meaningless anyway since its just extra

[oak tangle]

the only time where you may come across it is mid fight, if your rupture is expiring soon

[glossy dust]

quiet some things to keep in mind

[oak tangle]

it's not really, just learn the order and stick with it

[glossy dust]

i mean sure but its always better to understand

[royal lantern]

the biggest mistake you can do on assa is literally overthinking stuff

like, thats not even a exaggeration or smth like that

[glossy dust]

it def seems liek to much stuff

i just wanna know why its happening so i have the freedom of adapting and doing whatever i want

[oak tangle]

fatebound dm cd windwos have the same sequence every time

i mean you can if you want, but there's no real adapting

you either do x, or it's wrong

[glossy dust]

thats fine with me

when do u personaly vanish

[oak tangle]

at dm, cause i macro prism to it

and you have vanish for every second dm

[glossy dust]

i have to rethink that once again with the numbers

since dont need to vanish if i understand correctly if i have all cds

[oak tangle]

vanish can be anywhere in the red box

[glossy dust]

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[glossy dust]

ill prob vanish before dm

but only on solo dm if in undertand correctly

[oak tangle]

solo dm?

[normal mist]

there not a solo dm

only solo KBs

[glossy dust]

uh

the other way around

[ruby shoal]

you do 2x shivs on dm and 1x shiv on kb

[glossy dust]

huh i had double shivs on both

i probably did somenthing wrong

[oak tangle]

you really need to read the guide

[glossy dust]

i did

i still am

imo its quiet somenthing happening cant remember everything instantly

i just scouped in because i was curious

[normal mist]

you double shiv back to back (when first finishes, you send the second) during DM KB and you pop 1 single shiv on the last 8 seconds of solo KB

[glossy dust]

no i read that the first time

i was under the impression on the raid i had double shiv for both

[normal mist]

negative

[ruby shoal]

you have double shiv for every DM

[normal mist]

unless you're not sending stuff on CD

[ruby shoal]

and 1x shiv for every solo KB

[glossy dust]

aight if its cd bounded than its like that anyway

ohh i see why

see now

ofc you cant know

the character is fresh and has only 2p

ye thats my bad

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/gtfo-gtfoh-get-the-fuck-out-gif-15351490

[glossy dust]

there is no cdr on the cds

[severe meadow]

A lot of ignored messages

[oak tangle]

why you ignore me

[severe meadow]

Not you funny cat image person

[glossy dust]

nono means me

[severe meadow]

Now that Royal guy…

Erm

[wraith girder]

Yooo. Would you save the Spark and Craft a Belt next week when DISC get's nerfed?

[severe meadow]

Can if you don't have a replacement

[wraith girder]

Only heroic belt

also only heoric shoulders atm

[severe meadow]

well I'd never craft shoulders

[wraith girder]

maybe something comes in vault was what I was thiunking

Ye

Sp probably belt then

[oak tangle]

keep in mind a craft will take 90 crests next week

[wraith girder]

ye but upgrading next week will cost the 30 extra plus some mats no?

[oak tangle]

yes, if you dont have myth dagger, then crafted upgrade will be most important

so you've already spent 30 on main hand

[unborn rain]

yeah id save crests till u see tuesdays vault

[oak tangle]

likely wanna send others into trinkets

crafted belt unlikely to be possible if you're at 0 gilded atm

[wraith girder]

havent spend any but I will see next week and sim again for possible upgrades, didnt even keep that in mind.

probably jsut take heroic belt for a bit then and live with it

thanks

[oak tangle]

also it's 450 gilded extra to max out

[misty holly]

damn 450!? How many delves would that take.

[oak tangle]

i think it'll take me 0

[quiet oriole]

What's a delve?

[normal mist]

a dungeon type instanced event you can do solo or up to 5(?) players

basically end game for the most casual players that dont want to raid nor do dungeons

[pliant remnant]

I like how sincerely you answered that

[normal mist]

If it's not someone i usually talk to / see often in chat, i'll just answer sincerely

because i've no idea

[quiet oriole]

Now I feel bad for joking 🙃. You're too pure for this world.

[runic hinge]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[prime hull]

how are you simming the nerfed disc belt

is there some override

[oak tangle]

i dont think they are

0.2% increase on a 720 belt, seems like current belt tuning

[toxic hazel]

If I shadowstep on Fractilus when I'm breaking will that cancel the wall break?

[balmy condor]

no

[coral ibex]

step as you get knocked back or you will grief ur team

not before

[covert mesa]

Belt got nerfed?

[normal mist]

will

[vestal wren]

not yet, will be with reset

[coral ibex]

im crafting a belt on tuesday

[strange python]

IB or CS on dimensius?!?!

[stiff quiver]

why istn assa played as much as sub on dimensius? cause of timers on that boss or some other reason

[royal lantern]

sub has a really good dmg profile for dimmi

[runic hinge]

cs

[indigo crystal]

Hey guys! I tried playing assa on plexus mythic and did absolute terrible parse. Could anyone please point me in the right direction? Felt I had the rotation fairly sorted! Would love some tips!

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9h2bYQkZfpARJrKM?fight=5&type=damage-done&source=6

Cheers 🙂

[haughty flicker]

well right away ritual forge on fatebound is not great

so that wont help

[indigo crystal]

Yeah terrible choice by me. Forgot to swap that to prism/pacemaker. Still feel like it should be a lot better

[haughty flicker]

for your kingsbanes outside of deathmark shiv the back half of them

not the start

you also didnt vanish in your opener

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[indigo crystal]

You mean shiv after kingsbane outside of mark?

[haughty flicker]

shiv when it has 8 seconds left

[indigo crystal]

Ah got you! Didn't know that

[haughty flicker]

not using vanish at all is probably the biggest thing

this is also not a fantastic look but you did it right the rest of the time so we'll ignore that

[indigo crystal]

Yeah. Wasn't aware of the vanish part

[haughty flicker]

ok well maybe we cant ignore it

gotta make sure you do the burst right every time

this was right at the end though so a bit forgivable

[indigo crystal]

Oh damn that's bad. I gotta chill on pressing that shiv haha

That's really helpful! Thanks a lot Bel

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-11816971814746635421

[runic hinge]

np

[vale fox]

question. is Rupture's dmg completely linear?

like doesnt matter how many CP you put into it

?

[normal mist]

exactly

only the duration changes

thats why you cast it at 5+

[vale fox]

why cast it only at 5+ then? if you need to reapply a quick rupture you can just swing it at 2-3 cp just to not drop it and not lose much dps no?

i know we slap it at 5

but was just wondering whats to stop me from slapping it at 2-3 if i really need to

since its not a dps loss

just making sure its ok to do so

[red schooner]

Because of the hero talents.

[vale fox]

which ones

[royal lantern]

hero talents and also

[red schooner]

Need 5+ to send a coin or to progress the mark

[royal lantern]

shorter rupture duriation means you will apply it more often

[vale fox]

yea that makes sense

[royal lantern]

instead of actually pressing dmg buttons

[vale fox]

im not saying you always go for low cp rupture

i was just saying like instead of letting it drop

i can do that no

?

[coral ibex]

what

you pandemic it

[vale fox]

yea nvm got it

[normal mist]

using a finisher below 5 cp means you're not actively working towards either more coins or using your deathstalker's mark

[thick sigil]

maaaan wiping on 3% when you would've gotten a 99 parse

i feel sad

[grand atlas]

Hello

I had big issues with my energy during this season. Will this be fixed in midnight?

[normal mist]

ahm...

[thick sigil]

no

is the short answer

[normal mist]

kinda ish no

[thick sigil]

long is fuck no

[normal mist]

!design @grand atlas

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[thick sigil]

kinda rude but

its a design, they're doubling down on that design

[normal mist]

^

[thick sigil]

however apex talents might give some nasty energy regen sometimes, guess we'll have to see how it plays out

requires pooling before tho

[grand atlas]

I really hate this pooling playstyle. If i remeber right we did not have this during BFA

[normal mist]

we dont pull currently tho

[thick sigil]

well then you wont like assa in midnight xD

[normal mist]

you just spam

[maiden sierra]

@humble verge 4% saladbar wipe

someone missed a starkiller

welp it dies wednesday i guess

[lime edge]

so whats the consensus with midnight stuff

nvm theres a whole channel for that

[vast patio]

I wonder at what point sudden demise will just start instagibbing raid bosses in remix

[arctic shale]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[glossy dust]

does anyone know why possibly dungeons entrance could not be showing ?

even at those i vent in for m0

[main bridge]

you are not at the dungeon entrance

[drifting cloud]

if you mean on the map theres a setting you have to turn on

[glossy dust]

ill check ty

weird tho that it would be off for an alt but not on the main

[glossy dust]

i was and also on the map it shows besides where u are normaly

[glossy dust]

where?

[jade abyss]

What was the command for logs?

Want to improve in Raid

[storm stratus]

!rotation

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[humble verge]

meh

i tried atrocity

couldnt get it to work for me

[storm stratus]

guys how can i aoe dmg , i opener garrote garrote rupture rupture ct ,mt death shiv trinket pot

%30 cr - % 77 mastery %13 versa %7 haste

[tawdry halo]

Are you applying caustic to a big target and slamming envenoms after this?

[storm stratus]

nerprism and antenna have trinket

[storm stratus]

yes

[tawdry halo]

Wait

Are you ambushing to apply Deathstalkers mark?

[storm stratus]

yes i first ambus

[tawdry halo]

What key levels are you running?

[storm stratus]

12-13

[main bridge]

instead of guessing you could just post a log or read a guide

[storm stratus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h3S3SDgjEpWnz4xGV8E1iv

[tawdry halo]

Yeah this is a log angle then

Why have we linked a sim?

If you’re comparing your actual DPS to this sim, then don’t

Especially since you have full raid buffs turned on and you’ve simmed dungeon slice

[wide jay]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[normal mist]

random but do you have a details breakdown of a key you've done recently?

[storm stratus]

no 🙁

[jaunty sky]

Go do one, log it and then ppl can actually give tips

[glossy dust]

how should the details breakdown look for an m+?

[normal mist]

CT - spatter - sanguine blades - garrote/rupture // rest

usually

[glossy dust]

ah fuck

close enough but good to know - asume the causes are evident in not using enough of x?

[jaunty sky]

It also heavily depends on key level, your gear and comp

[glossy dust]

oh it does? well key level for sure if stuff dies to fast

same prob if u have heavy aoe hitter classes

[jaunty sky]

Top 4 in some way should be CT, Spatter, sanguine and Rupture tho

[tawdry halo]

spatter seems very low

but idk could be a low key

[glossy dust]

almost made it

it was a m0 thats as low as it can be but i prob did not caustic enough

[tawdry halo]

oh dw then

[glossy dust]

doesnt matter i just wanted to know for like when stuff gets serious

more like informative

[jaunty sky]

This is from 5 keys between +10 and +13 today

I assume in an m0 you barely get your DoTs out before the pack is dead

[glossy dust]

eh if i moved spatter up

the other people were equaly unequiped so stuff did live a bit for some bleeds

[jaunty sky]

Spatter dmg really just comes from the pack being alive after youve set up the 5 ruptures

[glossy dust]

mybe i also overdid it with doting stuff that is soon dying

still inexpierenced

crazy tho how much dmg crimson tempest does

[haughty flicker]

crimson tempest fucks

[glossy dust]

its crazy

im still unsure about when with target count so there was prob much more applications prob and it still did that much

[normal mist]

everytime

theres atleast 1 target

[glossy dust]

what

since when

did i skip somenthing in the guide

[normal mist]

if you're talking about CT, you cast it even in ST

in bleed build m+

[glossy dust]

i was going of this

[normal mist]

Whispyr probably forgot to update that part

[glossy dust]

for the bleed build it should be fan on 5 targets and ct on 4

oh

[normal mist]

CT at 1 target or more

[glossy dust]

thats good to know

[normal mist]

not forgeting it snapshots up to 5 targets

so its really good to refresh in bosses that have adds

[glossy dust]

snapshots what?

[normal mist]

it deals more dmg the more targets it hits, up to 5

[haughty flicker]

its updated

[normal mist]

^ thank you bel

[glossy dust]

true so it does that on the boss too

[glossy dust]

this doesnt rule out the aoe tho no?

[normal mist]

even if the adds die

the CT dmg is still increased

[glossy dust]

no youre right it still does more on boss

[haughty flicker]

i mean if you use it at 1 target you also use it at every target count above one target

[normal mist]

xD

Quick maths

[glossy dust]

well ye but it does say st

fair to say or to asume no

[red zealot]

Anyone happen to have a WA for lilly?

[normal mist]

why do you need a WA for lily

[red zealot]

Oh snap thought this was sub channel

doulbe on use problems

[normal mist]

fair

[glossy dust]

good thing to know tho - i was def not having enough uptime then

[jaunty sky]

Murloc trinket wa

Shows both trinket slots with CDs

https://wago.io/3xIKwjYJZ

[red zealot]

Tyvm my friend

[slim copper]

can i get someone to look at a log for SoulHunters for me? I genuinely don't know how to do better on that fight. I have an 86 overall for heroic. If i could get my soulhunters parse up i could easily be 90+ overall on Heroic

[jaunty sky]

Just link in here yeah

[slim copper]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WGj1yrcPDTAQFNXh?fight=31&type=damage-done

[coral ibex]

well you have a 1m30 trinket while ur playing a 2m spec

so thats not great

[slim copper]

the alternative was a champ track prism

[coral ibex]

looks like you aren't getting 3 target CT

[slim copper]

which i guess technically would be better

[coral ibex]

are the bosses stacked?

[slim copper]

is there any way to track it? And that was with a pug. I find that i can never get one where they stack all three together

even for guild runs

[coral ibex]

well you wont do great damage if the bosses aren't stacked

and you dont need to track prism, you just bind it to DM

[slim copper]

no i meant tracking CT

because it doesnt show up with plater

[coral ibex]

it definitely does by default

[slim copper]

hmmm

[coral ibex]

its a debuff

[slim copper]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WGj1yrcPDTAQFNXh?fight=31&type=damage-done&source=1828&ability=121411

i see what you saying. sometimes its only on two or one. Damn never paid attention to that

[flint tusk]

Your Sanguine Blades damage is pretty low for that many bleeds rolling

[coral ibex]

obv it will fall off during intermissions

but you should try to have 100% uptime on all 3 bosses outside of those intermissions

[jaunty sky]

Theres also you using DM with only one boss out im pretty sure

[coral ibex]

oh yea dont send DM during intermissions

[jaunty sky]

I always hold that for after that intermission

[coral ibex]

only when all 3 are around

CT is generally your largest damage contributor in bleed build so it is very high priority

[jaunty sky]

Thats what the graph looks like if u hold it a bit

Actually more dmg than during BL

[slim copper]

oh wow ok. Definitely worth holding DM then. I was just sending on CD to try to fit in a third.

[jaunty sky]

Esp good with prism

Btw

Cause u get more stacks for that window

[slim copper]

yeah

[coral ibex]

this is one of my mythic kills, basically plays the same

[slim copper]

ok cool. So make sure im refreshing CT regularly and on all 3. And save the DM for after int.

[coral ibex]

yea literally just play it like m+

keep rup and CT on all targets

garrote on main

send CDs for cleave

[jaunty sky]

Also vanish for the DM windows

[slim copper]

does it matter which one i focus? I always just choose the one with most health and follow her

[coral ibex]

darksorrow

[slim copper]

ohhh for IG ya smart

[coral ibex]

move mark via DN to whoever is going into meta next

right before

[jaunty sky]

U can try and milk execute dmg by staying on whoever hits below 35 first as well

[coral ibex]

oh im looking at my heroic logs and rupture is my highest damage by a lot on soulhunters

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HjnCDv3Yrx6XkdzK?fight=56&type=damage-done&source=601

which i guess makes sense bc of the intermissions

[jaunty sky]

Thats my 95

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/thpkQc4r9aKW71X8?fight=23&type=damage-done&start=2810699&end=3107353

[slim copper]

ok gonna take a look at these while i eat. Thanks for the tips guys ❤️

[jaunty sky]

Soul hunters is actually best fight this tier imo

[coral ibex]

no shot

[jaunty sky]

At least in hc

[haughty flicker]

leave

[slim copper]

call me an elitist but i hate seeing blue parses

[jaunty sky]

?? Whats better

Hc only i cant speak for mythic

[haughty flicker]

brother cutting my dick off with a dull butter knife is better

[jaunty sky]

Go ahead man no ones stopping you

[coral ibex]

i dont particularly like any fight on heroic because heroic is a joke of a difficulty, it poses a 5/10 challenge on week 1 and a 0/10 every week following

you can't even experience NK properly because you just skip all the mechs

[jaunty sky]

Nah we do star killers every week

[coral ibex]

week 1 NK was a lot of fun

i just find heroic to be intensely boring once you get above ~700 ilvl

[haughty flicker]

heroic it is not as bad

to be fair

soul hunters on mythic is such a dogshit fight though

heroic every fight is kinda just there

i have no strong feelings

one way or another

[jaunty sky]

Which is the only criticism i have about that fight, NK is very close 2nd for me
Putting super heavy personal responsibility that late into a fight just sucks for prog

[coral ibex]

there isn't even a heroic speedrunning community, at least that i know of

[jaunty sky]

Thats just the blaster only 715 ilvl+ hc pugs every reset day

[coral ibex]

not exactly what i mean

there should be some depth in solving heroic speedrunning

since its flex 10-30 players

nobody cares tho

[jaunty sky]

Yeah for what

Who actually checks HC speedkills

Or any speed kills

[coral ibex]

nobody, thats my point

i mean there's no "point" to any speedrunning

the "point" is to go fast

for the sake of it

[jaunty sky]

Yeah but without competition theres no meaningful innovation

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic3d-blast-saturn-running-gif-25117878

[coral ibex]

the reason speedruns are a thing in classic is because the content is so easy there's nothing to do other than see who can do it the fastest

my point isnt even that speedruns should be a thing

im just pointing out that in other games when the content is so mind numbingly easy, players turn to speedrunning

but there is no such community in retail wow

(that i know of)

[jaunty sky]

In a way that part is in m+ no?

Theres dungeon speedrunning

[coral ibex]

thats a good point

they would all just play m+

[haughty flicker]

there used to be people who did speed kills in mythic

[jaunty sky]

Like not m+, finishing like classic dungeons the fastest

[haughty flicker]

idk how prevalent it is now

im pretty sure stealthi even did it

[jaunty sky]

@coral ibex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifYNKJUxSYU

[coral ibex]

oh cool

[jaunty sky]

And leveling speedruns

[haughty flicker]

first to max level on expansion launch was always cool

sucks blizzard removed the achievement

[jaunty sky]

Also double agent

The guy leveling only with herbs and ores in pandaria

[haughty flicker]

lmao yeah wasnt there a guy who never left panda starting zone

just leveling off gathering

[coral ibex]

didn't that guy do that because he was kinda special and didnt know there was more game to play

like he picked an herb, saw he got experience, and just continued

[haughty flicker]

https://x.com/NeutralAgent/status/1601729812837859328

Neutralagent (@NeutralAgent)

World First Dragonflight Neutral Level 70 @ The Wandering Isle!
@WarcraftDevs @BlizzardCS
#Shadowlands #Warcraft #ForTheNeutral
For those curious /played currently at 212 days 22 hours

X · Dec 11, 2022, 12:05 AM

he seems pretty aware there is more to the game idk

[coral ibex]

nah the guy im talking about did this like

in mop

[haughty flicker]

this is the same guy

he just kept doing it every expansion

[coral ibex]

https://www.pcgamer.com/meet-wows-biggest-hippie-a-panda-who-reached-max-level-by-picking-thousands-of-flowers

ah i see

he just wanted to see if he could stay neutral

[haughty flicker]

ye hes a psychopath

but a dedicated psychopath

[onyx coyote]

pacifist panda

if i remember right

[simple pumice]

for fatebound assa is lily or forge better since its 1:30 cooldowns

idk how to sim it like that

[spice surge]

Sim accounts for all of it

[simple pumice]

ok cool

[glossy dust]

is dslice optimized for sin?

[balmy condor]

yes

[glossy dust]

is double on-use cancerous to play?

[balmy condor]

kinda but only cause you have to press them manually instead of macroing them

[glossy dust]

nevermind lucky its barely better than a 642 passive option

[runic hinge]

@spice spire does this scare you

[slim copper]

Fb would lily be better than prism because of cd alignment?

[balmy condor]

they are identical

except prism lines up with vanish every 3 min technically

so it better lines for big vanish bursts with amp phases such as salhadaar

but generally speaking, prism and lily function pretty much the same, do similar damage, and can be used pretty much interchangeably

prism is just the cooler older brother because of fight/timing specific min-maxing

[slim copper]

ok myth track lily > champ track prism?

i know i know sim it

[pastel roost]

@balmy condor Sorry not related to spec discussion, but for some reason i got a "new member" tag, and i can't find how to remove it. Any help possible ? i'v been here awhile 😄 .

[balmy condor]

almost assuredly, yes

[spice spire]

I hate u

[balmy condor]

as far as I know, there is no way to remove it yourself, I would have to remove it for you

but with that being said

everyone has that tag

because it's the required role to open the server in the first place

discord onboarding is a strange thing

just ignore it

[oak tangle]

click on a spec tag so you get cooler colours

[balmy condor]

that doesn't remove new member

[oak tangle]

but you hide it

[balmy condor]

because the role onboarding inherently cannot remove roles

[pastel roost]

Oh weird i didn't have it sometime ago i think, but i did go in channels and roles days ago, anyways, if everyone has it it's ok i guess

[balmy condor]

only add

we don't have an automatic way to remove the roles

[oak tangle]

idk how i did it, but i aint have it

[balmy condor]

someone removed it from you

[oak tangle]

that seems like too much work, person who removed it is crazy

[pastel roost]

See i was foolish i clicked on this ,

[oak tangle]

aint no one making me see outlaw channel

[pastel roost]

You will see it, it's in your best interest, now click

[balmy condor]

you have to

that's the requirement to open the server

[keen spruce]

I don’t have it either

[pastel roost]

Is it possible i joined the server before this was put in place ? or is it there since forever ? i'm trying to see if ia have sanity or if i'm lost

[dense cedar]

dw its not real

[balmy condor]

I don't know and frankly don't care

the role does nothing

[oak tangle]

i aint even look at roles

[midnight scroll]

but even if someone sees your new member role they can see when you joined the server anyway

[pastel roost]

Understandable, we can close this little tidbit and get back to real discussion 😄

[midnight scroll]

whispyr for example, someone has to show him the ropes

[keen spruce]

If Whispyr has new member, u can have new member

[balmy condor]

do I have new member

oh that's hilarious

[keen spruce]

Probably when you got got

And rejoined

[balmy condor]

probably remnants of all the rejoining from the hacking yeh

[drifting cloud]

I have it and I definetly predate the role system 😛

[oak tangle]

can we get an old member rank, not for like time playing the spec, but just for being old

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-rattle-rattle-bones-bones-gif-17752690

[keen spruce]

Unrelated but does anyone wanna check out this new game I’m working on

[balmy condor]

yeh that's just the assassination role

[pastel roost]

Saw the last video btw , it was very nice. You look relaxed at the beginning, like the weight of an entire discord was lifted from your shoulders 😄

[balmy condor]

that's just the calm before the storm

you should've been in the stream

when I was explaining CT

for the 57389254th time

[oak tangle]

HAHA

[balmy condor]

in 3 hours

[oak tangle]

but how do you spread dots with it if it's a finisher

[midnight scroll]

exactly i'm in game right now and it isn't spreading anything

[balmy condor]

honestly I blame blizzard for that

because we had to make the tooltips for that first article by hand

[keen spruce]

So if I have caustic up I finish with CT yes?

[balmy condor]

and I mean "we" as in I was sitting there with some other wowhead writers

literally making the trees by hand

node by node

[pastel roost]

" But what if my bleed spread to tiny mobs that die instatly O_o"

" Use Ct again then"

I can imagine something like that :p

[balmy condor]

cause alpha was not a public build and datamining private builds is not allowed

so all the shit had to be manually done

and that means that stuff gets lost in the translation of talents

it was a very stupid night

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

"hey, the embargo lifts at 9am right", I say stupidly at 3am

[drifting cloud]

smth smth about tomorrows raid

[keen spruce]

I’m dumb enough that every night is a stupid night

[balmy condor]

tru

[oak tangle]

oh shit, im raiding tonight

LOL

[balmy condor]

but yeah, that first post with the trees done by hand have caused irreparable damage to peoples understanding of the changes

and it kinda sucks

[oak tangle]

nah, peeps should just apply common sense

[balmy condor]

yeah but that's not how information flows through a big community

[oak tangle]

the sub channel meltdown before apex talents is brainrot

[drifting cloud]

dont worry whispyr I missed everything im untainted by whatever happened

im not watching your yt video until you kill nexus king

[oak tangle]

whether a good thing or not, the very first apex talents ties the entire sin spec together, so you'd expect similar for sub

[runic hinge]

no you dont

[balmy condor]

information and opinions in a community the size of world of warcrafts is like a big water system

theorycrafters/guide writers/bleeding edge wowhead articles like me are the snow on the top of the mountain, and when new information comes out, we melt the info into water that flows down the mountain into a river.

The river is places like discord or the early/frequent watchers of videos, the people who take time to play around with the alpha talent calculators or generally people who just keep up with changes fall under this category

Eventually the river opens up into an ocean, where the majority of the playerbase is

In this case, the half-baked manual talent trees (or any other piece of bad information, this analogy works for the "assa is bugged 15%/20%" shit that casual and kira did), is the equivalent of dumping a vat of acid into the river. The snow from the mountains will eventually melt and dilute the acid and push the water and it'll be okay, but that acid exists and will float into the ocean and cause issues for a long time before it fully dilutes/evaporates/dissolves

so while that article might not have even lived a full 2-3 days, the acid that it added to the river is enough to cause confusion and problems for weeks

one rogue reads the info wrong, tells his other, less informed rogue friend that incorrect info, they then talk about the changes to their non-rogue playing friends, who then themselves might talk about it to their friends

and so on and so forth

and until that wrong info gets corrected and travels down that pipe

[runic hinge]

@spice spire is this a good m+ damage breakdown

[balmy condor]

it's going to be a fucking pain

and it's like this, every time

[oak tangle]

hopefully, the people reading it are more of the upper end early viewers, and their brains are turned on

but i get your point

[balmy condor]

the upper/early viewers aren't the ones I'm concerned about

[drifting cloud]

that doesnt look like a feral druid

[balmy condor]

they're the people like you who can answer questions that pop up from the herbies that join

[oak tangle]

yeah i mean, the damage being limited by those ones not spreading partial or misinformation

[balmy condor]

the issue is the people that will join the discord in november, jump into the midnight channel and go "hey, we lookin good or what"

and you can't stop those

[runic hinge]

i got tilted

and was doing dimmy with guild and got legit 0 ravages for a whole pull

[oak tangle]

we fight the good fight

[dense cedar]

that just means you need to keep playing

[oak tangle]

i can make a "ct is a generator meme" and spam it

[dense cedar]

ur skill evel not high enough to get more rn ofc ofc

[dense cedar]

but u don't wanna spam it too much smh smh

[oak tangle]

maybe 2 or 3 times till it cleaves all the non-understanders

but honestly, the solution is to rename the ability

[dense cedar]

excited for all our damage going into envenom

and midnight launching without a fix for caustic singular focus

[oak tangle]

i believe someone tested it, but spatter applies before env

[dense cedar]

that nice at least

[oak tangle]

so if we roll fatebound, outside pressing kb, we have no need for prio target

[dense cedar]

gambling addict spec

[slim copper]

4.9M dps on m loomi at 12% can easily get 85+ parse if we kill this

[rotund oak]

cant believe ive lost the ''Whispyr is typing..'' thrill

[slim copper]

I in fact did not parse an 85+. I parsed a 15 because someone ran there knockback circle on top of me...

[dense cedar]

worldofwarcraft

[waxen oyster]

thats when you assert dominance by cloaking

[oak tangle]

we'll see if my group can kill plexus reclear fast enough tonight for us to go slap soulbinder then prog loom

[waxen oyster]

and running on them

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[dense cedar]

"prog loom" for you its just sitting on the boss smh

[waxen oyster]

Somehow i doubt this was gonna happen

[oak tangle]

i have not engaged loom M in combat yet

[waxen oyster]

unless you got to rip another cds set

[dense cedar]

if ur rl tells u to target tangles, you're allowed to strangle them

[oak tangle]

oh i've already had that discussion lol

[slim copper]

yaaaa wishful thinking.

are yall popping rupture on tangles? or just everything on loomi?

[oak tangle]

i know this is the wrong plaace for mage questions, can they blink the walls?

on plexus

[dense cedar]

don't play mage but almost certainly yes

u can shadowstep and transcendance them

[oak tangle]

cause i could potentially be swapping mage for it

[dense cedar]

are you

[main bridge]

can't go wrong with the main character in WoW

[dense cedar]

hitting enrage??

[oak tangle]

week 1 yes, week 2 no

[dense cedar]

the wall should not be an issue

its barely a mechanic

[oak tangle]

it's more, we dont have a mage in raid

[dense cedar]

ah

[oak tangle]

and i can play arcane

[dense cedar]

arcane intellect bot

i see

this is why

[oak tangle]

at or equal to rogue

[dense cedar]

i don't play anything good

so i can't be asked to swap to anything

[oak tangle]

XD, they haven't asked me, cause i'm still like top2/3 raid dps

[dense cedar]

surprised u don't have mage

very popular class

[oak tangle]

we're an aotc guild, and our mage is just more chill

have like 4 warlocks tho

[waxen oyster]

snipe a tangle maybe

doesnt matter

[dense cedar]

the cadence of tangles can make rupturing for energy kinda weird anyhow

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i only snipe one if it makes sense

positioning wise

[dense cedar]

like u can cloak 1 of the get-outs

to use that energy

but otherwise its very easy to just drain ur tank

[waxen oyster]

You can also super greed

[dense cedar]

and chill for a bit for energy

true

[waxen oyster]

and step out near last second

[dense cedar]

step gamers

i have trust issues

so don't do this

[waxen oyster]

i dont on pally tanks

becsuse rats decide to change which set

they bubble

[slim copper]

hey guys what build are we doing for m araz?

[waxen oyster]

subtlety

[oak tangle]

lol

fb with spatter i believe

if you wanna go assass

the only DS fights are soulbinder and soul hunters

[slim copper]

ok thanks ❤️

[waxen oyster]

soulhunters is whatever

melee is just bad

[dense cedar]

m soulhunter truly just a random bullshit go fight

[oak tangle]

H feels the same

[dense cedar]

bad bit for melee is u kinda just have zero agency

[oak tangle]

it's the one i cannot parse on

😢

and araz i just can't be f'ed waiting for timings

[dense cedar]

sub's saving grace in soulhunters is just

u only need a very short window to do any damage

[waxen oyster]

You dont really need to do damage

[dense cedar]

before u go back to afk'ing

[waxen oyster]

during intermissions

lol

[dense cedar]

on hheroic we keep killing one of them during this

[waxen oyster]

I had a heroic group

kill adarus 30% ahead of the other two

[dense cedar]

think issue for some people

[waxen oyster]

so velaryn was just pulsing the group down by the end

[dense cedar]

is they see hp%

and think that they're all equal or something

[waxen oyster]

darksorrow is a tank

[dense cedar]

they seem to just

[waxen oyster]

mfw

[dense cedar]

not get the gimmick of the fight

darksorrow is a venge hunter

[waxen oyster]

Yeah and velar is a havoc

[oak tangle]

the one that cooks me, is when tanks pull out adarus, when the next solo intermission is coming up and will equalise hp

[dense cedar]

adrus is?

[waxen oyster]

with a mile long range bladedance

[dense cedar]

nothing i guess

must've been the wind

[waxen oyster]

the new spec

[dense cedar]

nah

will never happen

[waxen oyster]

His mog is goofy

[dense cedar]

ye

[waxen oyster]

mythic np rogue helm

recolored cata rogue shoulder

The other two are using actual sets

from legion

[dense cedar]

he's literally the first of his spec

he don't know waht vibe he should be going for in his mog

[waxen oyster]

Not alot of void themed sets

besides velf heritage

and i guess preorder set?

[dense cedar]

first dh tier set in midnight gonna be void themed and not fit the other 2 specs

[waxen oyster]

i dont think dh has had a fel theme set since legion

[oak tangle]

I wanna know why all dh sets have horns

They’re built into the characters already

[waxen oyster]

Well

only one legion tier has

I go hornless on dh though

[golden loom]

[earnest narwhal]

checking back in after a few weeks of leaving my poor rogue unplayed; does Assassination work again yet?

There were a bunch of bugs with this new tier set not working right

[sick marsh]

Still bugged I would say regarding pins

[balmy condor]

none of the bugs make the spec unplayable, but yes they all still exist

[severe meadow]

@humble verge

[maiden bronze]

Does anyone know what percentage you would parse on heroic following hekili as sin?

[waxen oyster]

theres no real way to tell

[tawny geyser]

Man I wish they fix bugs until Wednesday… my Guild forcing me to play Sub, which I dont enjoy and also dont have enough brain cells for it.

[maiden bronze]

Was curious. Was seeing someone getting 97% with it

[waxen oyster]

sub doesnt really shine till last 2

[tawny geyser]

Well we are on last two, thats why

[maiden bronze]

Wasn't sure if it was a joke or if it was actually that good

[waxen oyster]

Sin still would be worse

just different damage profile

[tawny geyser]

Hmm

Like in HC i’m pulling 85’s - 90’s on Sub.
My rotation is ok I’d say, but I am not sure how to play around Coup. I dont understand that spell or how can I even control it.

[waxen oyster]

Personally i find sub more chill on sal

with how much your dps outside cds is irrelevant

[waxen oyster]

theres literally bot commands for the parts of coup you “play around”

[tawny geyser]

What kind of bot commands?

[waxen oyster]

!coup

[cunning cloak]

You don't really play around coup, just press it fr

In shadow blades you would shuriken storm in-between coup

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean its just evis but better

[cunning cloak]

In-between the 4p proc I mean

[waxen oyster]

yeah granted

most hc logs are gonna be dictated by if you hit those coups during add spawns

rather than the storm

[tidal hatch]

you been around a long time, right? what are the odds these get fixed in 11.2.5

50/50?

[grim jay]

Heroic logs are kinda dead at this point

They always lose value after some weeks

Most good people dont continue doing heroic after a couple of weeks, so the competition is kinda eh

[waxen oyster]

heroic is basically poop alts

and the rare unlucky main for a trinket

[grim jay]

We've all been that unlucky main

[tidal hatch]

i find heroic loses its value even to my poop alts within 2 to 10 days of hitting lvl cap

mileage varies

[grim jay]

Greater than zero, but at this point kinda unlikely if they dont get fixed next reset or the week after imo

Doubt they will spend time on not that impactful bugs if they are working on midnight

[runic hinge]

Especially cause the bugs are mostly with the tier

[waxen oyster]

its usually only good for trinkets

if a raid has good trinkets