assassination

[quiet oar]

Bug that costs us 5% dmg? Aint fixing that. Bugs that give you +0,5% DMG FIX THAT IMMEDIATELY

(for legal reasons this is a joke)

[keen spruce]

stealths

[quiet oar]

!restealth

https://tenor.com/view/jump-bridge-hoverboard-woah-no-hands-gif-16859719

[marsh fjord]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[marsh fjord]

There you go

😛😛

[quiet oar]

!whispyr

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif

[grim jay]

Like 2, but of the important type

In m+

Idk about raid

[quiet oar]

Well i play Sub anyways at keys atm

There are enough Multitarget padder

but non of them does ST

[cunning needle]

this is why tier lists are shit

anyone who is posting a tier list also has room temp IQ

[marsh fjord]

Yeah they are

[cunning needle]

and the rogue needing restealth thing

doesnt help when half the rogue playerbase keeps also spreading that misinfo

QQing about tanks not letting them restealth

[quiet oar]

Only on outlaw Restealth matter

and if you chain properly

even than its not relevant on Outlaw

[marsh fjord]

The problem lies not within the restealths for assa

But for tanks that can't chain pull properly

They always start pulling the next pack when the mob is like 5%

[quiet oar]

Ye

[marsh fjord]

You either pull the next pack at 30% or you dont

[quiet oar]

I try to explain that to my tanks

[marsh fjord]

I litteraly have a macro with a text

that i use at the start of the key

[quiet oar]

That 1-10% chainpulls are so annoying

[marsh fjord]

Can't be bothered to type that out

@coral ibex @humble verge @golden loom https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uDMmw0bhcmEj1-9GtkRIXqCLyuAvJ2DEOFSJl53GwPM/edit?gid=0#gid=0

you guys seen this turbo crest calculator mabye you guys find it usefull

To make it work you go to menu and make a copy

[marsh fjord]

What does this mean

[humble verge]

idk

another month gone by

nothing ever happens

[marsh fjord]

haha oke i geuss 😄

[humble verge]

wait am i doing this right

[marsh fjord]

Did you make a copyu

otherwise it does not work

[humble verge]

yes

this is my copy

dawg

ive done so many of these shitty ass spreadsheets

it blows my mind

[marsh fjord]

Yeah just follow the instructions bro

It says in the middle what you gotta do

[humble verge]

ok now it should be right ig

[marsh fjord]

Also you filling it our with information of now. you gotta fill it out before the uncap hits because you gonna get more gilded

[humble verge]

i think i should have enough crests tho

i hope

so i should have around like

270 guilded

from my lower crests i think

if math is right

idk

[quiet oar]

Cant do the saver, i didnt play alts this season

[royal hazel]

thoughs on 2x focusing lens for raid/M+

top CN Assa rogue using it

possible cos he plays sub sometimes

i believe zero uses blessed weapon grip

[spice surge]

Theyre all pissweak so it doesnt really matter

[quiet oar]

Because they dont scale

which is weird

In DF the Embels scaled with ilvl right

[hearty seal]

it's like 0.1% diff between embellishments at this point

sometimes 0% even

[sharp viper]

they are really meh

[spice surge]

The dragonflight season 4 embellishments are better, not relatively, in absolute numbers

[sharp viper]

brb restoring my df embellishments

[spice surge]

Ilvl makes it not worth, but if we could use the df mastery embellishment we would, as its more stats than the current crit/vers ones

[humble verge]

after first church miniboss

wtf is this

[haughty flicker]

[quiet oar]

Ascendence is 89 Stats per stack without armor binding

890 stats in total

thats nothing

thats like 1 stat from bracers

[humble verge]

why do i do my weeklies on a tuesday bro

[golden loom]

do more damage!

[humble verge]

stfu

: (

[golden loom]

or the real answer

dont do dawnbreaker

[humble verge]

no i will always do dawn

he did 0 kicks as well

[golden loom]

awful dungeon

[humble verge]

😭

but ive fully optimized it

thats why i prefer it

[quiet oar]

Eco-Dome or Gambit are a lot faster

its like 14-17 Minutes

[humble verge]

i hate gambit

and i dont really prefer eco

[quiet oar]

But Eco is easy af

and fast

Dawnbreakre is annoying

and buggy

[bronze pike]

i really like eco ngl

peak dungeon

[quiet oar]

tbh both single dungeons are good dungeons

Floodgate and eco

better than doing a mega dungeon and splitting it imo

[golden loom]

I like legit every dungeon outside of dawnbreaker I think

[red schooner]

I just refuse to run gambit for my own amusement

[bronze pike]

i like gambit

[golden loom]

missing out on a banger

[bronze pike]

until

fucking dragon boss

then people kinda just fall over

and last boss too

people forget to dodge

or make a shape

[red schooner]

I don't even need the portal, can just port to eco dome and fly for 5 seconds

[golden loom]

love the music in gambit aswell (boralus is always peak music so its a given banger)

the only part I dislike is the 4 guardians before first boss (unless im playing on the hunter rat alt cause ranged) and the pulsar mobs

[quiet oar]

Just burst 12 Mill as sub

and its at 50% at the first cannon shots

[golden loom]

doing dragon with the pack as assa is peak

[ebon notch]

@runic hinge

[next dust]

fire mog

[ebon notch]

ty

[next dust]

for a circus that is

[ebon notch]

every circus needs a clown

[opaque sky]

It makes me sad, I play outlaw in key, they pull 15-20+ pull packs

I swap to sin, they pull 8 mobs at a time

Or dont chain

[desert crest]

I just only play sub in pugs and assa in keys where it is good but only with premade tanks

outlaw is cooked

[opaque sky]

I mean I dont mind outlaw, just the wild stat differences

At this point do I just Sub keys like you but with crit/mastery gear not vers mast for sub lol

[desert crest]

Yeah i mean crit~mast~vers on sub

[opaque sky]

yeah that's true

[desert crest]

You can try and run a top gear sim with as much gear as possible selected and see if it can't figure out a smart way for you to gear ur sub rogue

If u have a lot of gear in bags it is pretty likely that there is a combination which works good

[ebon notch]

@midnight mist get him

[midnight mist]

He is right ..

I heard r1 rogue was outlaw tho @desert crest

So outlaw > assa

[desert crest]

True shit

[midnight mist]

You should look into it

[desert crest]

must be wox

lul

[desert crest]

I wish mate started playing in df s3 was glorious

[midnight mist]

Yo bro wtf

[opaque sky]

nah just hit 80 this week, but also 714ilvl now so

However, limited in gear choices

[desert crest]

Yeah as a rogue who plays all the specs you just gotta be an omega loot goblin

[ebon notch]

hahahaha

[desert crest]

Nearly all loot is useable for one of the specs

[ebon notch]

did you slam mythic crests into heroic pieces

[midnight mist]

You see what they do to me fotm

Perma disrespect

[ebon notch]

tbf

you do stream urself bottom fo the meters for 12 hours straight

[midnight mist]

??

Wox is even more bottomer

He has a BM hunter

[desert crest]

Rogue tier list 1. zac 2. me ... ?. wox

[midnight mist]

Ty cuh

[opaque sky]

It's fine 😄

Legion out soon

:^)

[ebon notch]

@midnight mist i need to stream ele shaman to you

[little current]

you gotta get a better mog

better mog is at least 15% dps

[ebon notch]

ill wear ur mom as a helmet

how much dps is that

[little current]

-30%

[opaque sky]

At least 6

[midnight mist]

No ty

I'm not interested in ranged braindead gameplay

I might catch a disease

Watching someone cast from rangé

This isn't something I can do

[ebon notch]

i will show you

you freaking noob

[opaque sky]

I just want outlaw buffs so I can afk one target

[ebon notch]

I WILL EXPAND YOUR MIND AND GAMEPLAY

[opaque sky]

[marsh fjord]

Outlaw people in my assa chat?

[midnight mist]

No I don't think so

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/push-shove-slap-penguin-fall-gif-17277052

[midnight mist]

Fotm isn't an outlaw person

Dude will play anything before outlaw

Actual r1 outlaw hater

[ebon notch]

what

ive hit r1 on outlaw before

what you saying noob

[marsh fjord]

The day we delete outlaw is the day i can rest peacefully in my coffin

[opaque sky]

Numbers

When are we going back to DH

[marsh fjord]

what the helly

[opaque sky]

What the helly

[midnight mist]

Yeye sure buddy

[marsh fjord]

Never played DH in my life

[midnight mist]

Back when it was still named combat

[marsh fjord]

trying to bring me down

[opaque sky]

DONT YOU LIE TO ME

I KNOW YOU

[ebon notch]

BRO

[opaque sky]

[ebon notch]

DONT YOU DARE

[marsh fjord]

I know you also but more from the inside

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

[midnight mist]

Am I wrong

[opaque sky]

Yeah DH, Definitely not a d...Hunter...?

[marsh fjord]

DH: dick hard

[opaque sky]

Oh

We did play dick hard

You're right

Tell you what, remove Essence Break, and I'll go back

Or make it so you cant fucking miss the ability

[marsh fjord]

i couldnt even tell you what essence break is

[opaque sky]

So imagine, you pop deathmark

But you hit everything infront of you

But you can miss because it swipes infront of you

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/steam-uninstal-halo-game-app-gif-25775026

thats what i would do

[opaque sky]

Because tank said "oh let's move the mobs"

[marsh fjord]

Just like demolish

[opaque sky]

Basically BM hunter

Yeah basically

[marsh fjord]

from arms warrior

[opaque sky]

Worst design

[ebon notch]

yes!!!

[marsh fjord]

your 90% slowed and do a combo of attack and if the mobs are 1% out of that you miss

[golden loom]

well you dont play essence break in keys atm anyways

[opaque sky]

yes but you do in raid

And that's 1 place more than I want to

[golden loom]

okay but if you miss essence break in raid you are griefing

[opaque sky]

Yeah but I have to press the button

It's like how rogues dont like pressing elusiveness feint

[golden loom]

idk I like it personally so (essence break that is)

[opaque sky]

Wait, that's not a comparison at all

[marsh fjord]

Feint is a good button to press

[opaque sky]

It's like how raiders dont like pressing the health stone button

[marsh fjord]

Just sucks that it cost energy

[opaque sky]

😊

[marsh fjord]

i like pressing health stone

[opaque sky]

So do I

I personally like to be alive

Ingame

Not irl

[marsh fjord]

We did araz prog the other night. and i was the only one that didnt die after 2 deaths and i showed my friend

and he said

yeah you can cheat death

thats not fair

[opaque sky]

LMAO

It's ok, I came back to wow last week

And I'm 2/8 mythic

maybe stuck at 3 for awhile

[marsh fjord]

Loom shouldnt be to hard now

but depends on the guild i guess

[opaque sky]

Yeah casual

Cause I dont have this expac logs

And previous expansion tier 99/100's mean nothing

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[marsh fjord]

Yeah, most guilds look active exp.

Im in the same sitation as eyou

[red schooner]

I have a guild I follow and they're on 46 loom pulls at the moment. 56% best

[opaque sky]

Just in case my hand got chopped off since then you know

[red schooner]

I believe

[marsh fjord]

i showed them logs of my mythic shadowlands EXP and they said its to long ago

[opaque sky]

HAHAHA

"nah, you fell off bro"

[marsh fjord]

[opaque sky]

-out dpses half the raid in 10less ilvl-

[marsh fjord]

if you can get past that 50% then its kinda easy

[opaque sky]

"yeah but you're a trial, so trials dont get loot"

[marsh fjord]

Hahaha up

yup*

[opaque sky]

Ok bro, just tel me you dont want to get carried, sheesh

[marsh fjord]

I know exactly how you feel.

because if you want a better guild you gotta get CE exp this tier with decent logs. to hop to a better guild

[opaque sky]

A guild that didnt get CE

Till nerfs

[red schooner]

Not my guild, its a guild that showed up in RFWL after buying a Gally lockout and taking 100 pulls to get Gally below 90%

[marsh fjord]

Ahhh

[red schooner]

That I just kind of keep an eye on

[golden loom]

I bet they have a banger of a time gaming with the boys tho

Otherwise why would you send infinite pulls on a boss people are pugging

[red schooner]

I appreciate the mental game

[golden loom]

Banger

[marsh fjord]

Thats something gonna suck the guild im in right now the lads are absolutely good people and i like hanging out with them. but i dont want to raid for like 4 months and barely get CE

[red schooner]

Because if I had 100+ pulls not below 90℅ I'd have tapped out

[hardy dagger]

That's absurd

[opaque sky]

Omfg

Numbers

2022

IT WAS PREDICTED

[red schooner]

They tried to do plexus mythic week 1 and didn't get him below 85% for like 40 pulls

[opaque sky]

Jesus christ

[golden loom]

checking a random reply of one of my logs and 90% is pretty much the boss hp when lust ends 😭

[red schooner]

As chaos as my guild is, at least we ain't these guys

[opaque sky]

Hey I found photos of Numbers

During ToS

@marsh fjord Please respond

[red schooner]

They streamed some of it, it was... A spectacle

[golden loom]

did they just die to the first add wave?

the first beam?

[red schooner]

They just died

But yeah I root for these guys, it can only go up

[golden loom]

wait which boss did they actual clear tho

if they bought a gally lockout

[red schooner]

Stix

They had like 150 sprocket tries

[golden loom]

[red schooner]

Before buying the lockout

[wanton spear]

is there anything other than inky black potion you can use to see your soul easier in ecodome ? purple on purple is kinda aids

[opaque sky]

Big ol' arrow?

[wanton spear]

the big ol purple arrow, on the purple beam in the purple ground zone

[opaque sky]

Do you play top down?

[wanton spear]

forthe most part it has a bit of an angle but mostly top down

if i zoom out too far my boomer ass can't see if i'm standing in something

feel like my graphic settings might just be setup wrong, because those purple arrows are damn near transparent

[marsh fjord]

I have bigger biceps

[zenith elm]

Why this pic ??

And hello fellow gamers

[zenith elm]

Biceps showdown?

[opaque sky]

You had to be there

[zenith elm]

Naaaahh i missed a meme

[red zealot]

Wtb fix to our set and coins 🙁

[tired bloom]

the bugs are what, 2-3% damage loss? Way overblown

[main bridge]

Clickbait videos make non critical thinkers panic

[fallen charm]

at this point just give assassination a 10% aura buff and call it a day

idk if I know how to play without bugs rn

[main bridge]

You probably do because most of the bugs do not impact gameplay in a way that makes you play differently

[marsh fjord]

Have to pay for that

[fallen charm]

and extra 1 or 2 mutilates on the oppening without bugs

and a bit of depression every heads roll

[unborn rain]

dont forget ur tier set only bugging out on wipes and not kills

[fallen charm]

last night it procced a lot, like back to back kingsbane

I didn't even have enough shivs for it

[midnight scroll]

what loot table do the delve tabs in the great vault draw from?

[fallen charm]

the delves loot table

and tier set

[unborn rain]

lowk hate the desynx but thats cuz im stupid

[fallen charm]

I just ignore cold blood now

[unborn rain]

same i send kb on cd

unless dm is gonna be up less than 30 ish

cuz i dont wanna delay dm for kb lol

[midnight scroll]

if you notice the desync, just send that naked kb and then delay your next cds by a few seconds to ensure you'll have both shivs up to cover dm

[unborn rain]

yeah i try to have every thing relined up for second vanish

[fallen charm]

I once basically skiped an entire KB waiting for CB because DM was up in like 20 sec so I might aswell wait for it too

[unborn rain]

yeah that shit feels bad lol

ik its prob correct

just sucks thk

[fallen charm]

ever since I just blast KB and fuck CB

[royal lantern]

the "correct" play when the desync happens early on

and you end up with KB and CB not being on the same CD and DM weird aswell

is to wait for all 3 to be up again

[unborn rain]

bleghhh

[royal lantern]

cus after that they kinda synced eachother again

[ebon notch]

@midnight mist @runic hinge

[unborn rain]

is it a massive dps gain

[ebon notch]

[unborn rain]

to wait for them to reline up

holy ur 702 man

[royal lantern]

well, yeha

KB by itself is not strong

[unborn rain]

okay

[royal lantern]

keep that cursed spec out of offtopic

[ebon notch]

hahaa

[midnight mist]

?

my alt is litteraly 715 ilvl

[ebon notch]

this is my 4th character

[midnight mist]

wht you doing

ok

[ebon notch]

xd

[midnight scroll]

started araz prog last night, was designated to hard swap to kill the first echo along with ranged, am i cooked?

i did volunteer for it though because ranged weren't doing enough damage and no one fucking signed up to do it but still

[ebon notch]

nothing wrong with that

[fallen charm]

if you play fatebound just swap without fear lol

[ebon notch]

you're doing the right call for prog to swap to the progress add

[unborn rain]

yeah

[ebon notch]

as you guys get more comfy you will get more damage in general

and you can swap off later

[unborn rain]

iirc eventually we will not have to

later

yeah

[midnight scroll]

yea at some point i'd like to play ds on araz too, but all the adds die pretty fast anyway

[royal lantern]

eeeehhhhhh

there is a reason why araz has 0 DS logs lmao

[fallen charm]

fuck DS

[midnight scroll]

yea i'm just thinking out loud, i hate ds i wish we could just play fb in raid

[royal lantern]

i mean, fuck FB aswell

but atleast FB has no cringe mark minigame

[midnight scroll]

are they continuing this "hero talent" trend in midnight?

[fallen charm]

probably

[midnight scroll]

my god

[royal lantern]

well, they wont go away for now, if you mean that

[fallen charm]

or they would have to make a new mechanic

they are doing shorter expansions to get more money, not to work more

[midnight scroll]

i mean we've had so much borrowed power in the past that i wouldn't be surprised if they erased hero talents all together, but i'm not the biggest fan of them right now

[fallen charm]

hero talents are the only not borrowed power we had in a long time

[royal lantern]

they literally are supposed to be a extension of the current talent tree, and not "Borrowed Power"

(aka, they stay until blizz says they will go away)

and yeha, the system itself is a bit oof overall

[fallen charm]

cloaks are the borrowed power

[royal lantern]

some good one

[midnight scroll]

i'd rather still have artifact weapons that were banished to the shadow realm as soon as legion ended than the state the hero talents are in rn

[royal lantern]

the far majority is a big Whatever

and some BIG stinkers

rogue has the funny situation where all 3 are BIG stinkers

[midnight scroll]

and i get why we lost artifact weaps, but still, i'd rather still have some borrowed power from the past than something that should expand our gameplay

[royal lantern]

bro

[midnight scroll]

if it's gonna stay this way

at least

[royal lantern]

tell me what artifact weapons provided

like

pls

take the nostalgia OMG LEGION SO GOOD googles off for a second

legion artifact was "you get 1 active ability (not even guraneed for all classes, some got a passive thing)"

[midnight scroll]

i didn't even play legion when it was current, i'm just saying that i hate our hero talents xd

[royal lantern]

and the rest was "X does 5% more dmg"

[midnight scroll]

and if ds for example doesn't get a rework i will continue to not enjoy it

[main bridge]

artifact weapons provided:

• awesome weapon appearances that people still use today
• incredible abilities and talents, that were meaningful and fun. some of them were better than what we have today
• cool and immersive class quests that i wish we could see more of

[midnight scroll]

that's just me

[fallen charm]

legion is definetly not happening again

they basically cancelled WOD to make legion

like a hail mary

[royal lantern]

mate, your #2 point is so weird

like, jfc

most of the legion artifact things are still in the game btw

[fallen charm]

some of them were just old removed talents

[royal lantern]

and outside of the 1 active ability, and like i said, not even all specs had a active abiliy there and instead just a fully passive thing

it was only 50 different "you do 5% more dmg with this ability" nodes lol

i legit hate the legion glazing, cus its so insane at points and removed from the reality that legion actually was lol

the most impactfull node on the artifacts was a generic Vers proc that every class had at the end btw

[midnight scroll]

i didn't word my original point correctly, i was saying that i'd rather have some of the lost borrowed power (something that was made with the intention of being removed at the end of an expansion) rather than hero talents (as they are right now) that are intented to stay, if I were blizzard, i'd put more work into making something that's here to stay more enjoyable and fun to play with

it doesn't necessarily have to be artifact weapons

don't get me wrong, i love assassination and will probably never reroll, but my god i do not like deathstalker xD

[fallen charm]

ppl tend to forget the things they hated: infinite grind(even daily HC dungeon runs), alts and even offspecs totally off question(I kinda liked the excuse to not have an offspec), wrong legendary? better luck next life, TITANFORGED, NECROTIC/SKITISH

[royal lantern]

^

legion was legit all the things people complain about 24/7

but tuned to the absolute maximum

[midnight scroll]

yea people do that with every bad expansion, bfa, shadowlands, wod, everything became "good" a few years later after it stopped being current

[royal lantern]

but for some reason it was perfect because the last patch fixed some of those problems and mfs always only remember the last patch lol

[ebon notch]

tahts what made it fun tho

nahhh legion was legit the best expansion ever

even with all the shit stuff

ive never felt so fuckin powerful

[royal lantern]

yeha sure, it was fun that the best way to play a spec was "get 2 legendarys->if they are the wrong ones, make a entirely new character"

[ebon notch]

no you're right about that 100p

[royal lantern]

and the endless maw of souls runs for AP

[ebon notch]

but despite that

i still had fun

which shows just how good the expac was

[midnight scroll]

but do you think that the good aspects of legion were so meaningful to you to the point where you remember only what you felt doing that, and not the other miserable stuff legion had to offer?

[ebon notch]

yes

[midnight scroll]

because that's what we tend to do as humans

[ebon notch]

i almost failed my degree i was having so much fun

[royal lantern]

that sounds more like a unhealthy addiction

and not like fun

[ebon notch]

they have similarities

but causation is not correlation

[zinc vale]

im so happy that i never played that clown fiesta expansion

[midnight scroll]

i was bad at school with or without wow so might as well have fun xD

[royal lantern]

i mean, it was overall good

you cant say that it wasnt

but the negative parts where just at points really negative, and often get waved aside cus they kinda got fixed at the end

like, imagine the 2025 m+ andys if we had stuff like arcano crystal

they would go SO balistic over it

[midnight scroll]

same happens with shadowlands, i see people defending shadowlands more and more as time goes on, even though it was the first xpac i played retail, and had to quit after a single season

i started playing mid sanctum, and quit a bit after sepulcher dropped

[royal lantern]

tbf, SL is imo a bit funny because its at points the other way around, where people go extremely rabid at it all the time and make it sound worse then it was

ffs filter hit

[midnight scroll]

i was playing sub in sepulcher and was kinda casual and very opposed to actually learning so that might've played a part xD

[royal lantern]

managed 6 months without one

[midnight scroll]

i remember doing a m+ run and some dude said "yea your st damage is alright but you gotta do more aoe" and i was like "well... i like ST more than i like aoe so :-)"

i was such an idiot back then goodness me

[royal lantern]

did you enjoy your time

[fallen charm]

I did fail and swaped from eng to med lol

[royal lantern]

if yes, why care lmao

[midnight scroll]

no

[royal lantern]

then rip

[midnight scroll]

it was magical at first, i always loved wow and my first retail expansion it was like "wooooow" and then it went downhill from there

but i'm really enjoying myself now so

it all came back around

[fallen charm]

wow is very good it you learn to accept blizzard is going to fuck up

[royal lantern]

yeeeeha

[midnight scroll]

and you learn that pretty quickly xD

i'll give them credit where it's due and say that they became way less stubborn than they actually were but they still have a long way to go

[marsh fjord]

When are we getting AP back?

When are we getting endless grinds back

[royal lantern]

tbf, you KIIINDA have to be a bit stubborn

[marsh fjord]

give it to me

[royal lantern]

its a hard thing overall

like, if you always go after every community whim, stuff will go downhill really really REALLY fast

at the same time you cant be too stubborn

[midnight scroll]

true, they are the ones that invented the game after all, but there are a lot of things that the players know better than them, and vice versa as well

[royal lantern]

but you have to keep a design goal in mind and dont just go "oh well, lets do a 180 immediately"

[midnight scroll]

one of the issues i have with them is their patch cycle schedule, because i'd rather have a polished delayed product than slop that came out on time

[earnest remnant]

no australian words mister

i see everything

[midnight scroll]

that's why i'm content with the fact that GTA 6 is gonna come to PC in 2029

[royal lantern]

huh

oh

[earnest remnant]

[royal lantern]

ye

that one

[earnest remnant]

xD

was the perfect use of the word tho

sums it up perfectly

[red schooner]

But the Australian word is a good word

It has a sense of gravitas when used correctly

[royal lantern]

well, the thing about that is more or less that while it can feel bad that the patches are often obviously lacking polish, the overall reaction to the faster release schedule is positive, so they dont have a reason to do it in a different way

[marsh fjord]

So basically what we have now

Because what we have now is slop

[royal lantern]

people want content, giving them more content no matter how small or good it is, gets them to play, and in the end thats kinda what they want from the game for obvious reasons

[marsh fjord]

This is kinda a strange thing to say.

Do we really have more content tho? Maybe we have more variance in content. but i was more online in other expansions then i was in TWW

[midnight scroll]

maybe not us, but the majority of the casual playerbase, and a BIG majority at that

[royal lantern]

the bigger casuals that dont focus on dungeons/raiding yeha

and they make up the FAR majority of the playerbase

[marsh fjord]

Yeah. casuals are eating good.

Yeah i feel like they shifted that mindset that they need to cater more to the casual people then the semi-hardcore people

We just have M+ and raid

[midnight scroll]

they do have to balance a few playerbases to be fair, the casuals, the m+ players, the raiders, the 4 pvpers, it's not that simple

[royal lantern]

if blizz would stop doing high level m+ or mythic raiding and all the guys that focus on that would leave the game, it would kinda suck, but not really be a bigger problem in the end

if they would stop doing content for the bigger casual playerbase, the game would shut down in 3months lol

[marsh fjord]

What i wonder is why can both no just co-exist.

Why can we not have endless grinds + casual shit.

That would be the perfect world for me

[royal lantern]

takes resources and time

[marsh fjord]

Why is it leaned towards one side

Yeah i geuss so

[midnight scroll]

they have the resources definitely, and the time limit is kinda self imposed so we probably won't see such changes

[marsh fjord]

I think legion was by far the best expansion i ever played and i dont even think we are ever getting close to that again

I genuinely enjoyed AP grinding, and how special the artifact were and how they looked super sick. look at our weapon models now. i feel they are super bland compared to that

[royal lantern]

its always the same

Development is expensive, is slow, and needs a lot of time for polish and testing

most of the time you can only do 2 of these at best

[ebon notch]

ascended even further

[golden loom]

personally I think the game is a banger at the moment and I have high hopes for midnight

[midnight scroll]

same here, i'm just worried how they're gonna pull off the addon purge

[golden loom]

season 1 was fun cause it was my first time playing retail, season 2 was fun cause of guild raiding but outside of that I kinda just raidlogged and didnt play alts and not generally that big of a fan later on, season 3 I am playing 5 chars and playing the game 24/7 having a blast

[marsh fjord]

The game isnt in a bad state and i dont want to be negative

But i just hate it that i do 8 dungeons which are 10+ or higher, get gilded capped. craft or spend my gilded. and raid log. there is nothing else to do for me. and thats what i dislike

[golden loom]

well I do a shit ton of alting atm cause its super fun this season

so I have stuff to do perma

[marsh fjord]

Yeah im not typically a alt person

I just stick with my main and thats it

[coral ibex]

i waited too long to roll alts and now my mage is too ratty to even get into heroic runs

[golden loom]

idk season 2 I had no desire to alt at all but this season its been so fun

like raid is fun to pug, weekly m+ runs are fun, delves got a huge upgrade this season aswell which is nice for alts

didnt pug raid at all last season cause the raid was just awful for it imo

[humble verge]

forced to buy a hc vip boost

[main bridge]

brace yourself, the vault screenshots are coming

[midnight mist]

low af noob

[coral ibex]

spiked a lily on my alt lets go

[ebon notch]

ur literally an outlaw otp

[midnight mist]

you are litteraly a fotm otp

you dont belong anywhere

[ebon notch]

ok wtf

[midnight mist]

sorry that was mean

[severe meadow]

Dookie vault

[coral ibex]

my vault is bugged

wtf

[midnight mist]

is it vault day already

wtf

im gettnig neck in vault

[severe meadow]

perhaps ring angle

[coral ibex]

explain to me how i have a 701 in my vault when i killed 6 mythic bosses

???

[midnight mist]

well did you

kill 6 boss

[coral ibex]

yes

[midnight mist]

proof

log or fkae

[unborn rain]

yea post vaults

[coral ibex]

wait we just didnt kill soul hunters last week

wow

[midnight mist]

skill issue

[solar wyvern]

BorpaKS goes hard holy

[coral ibex]

just 8 hours wiping on NK

awful vibes

and then no 3 box

[midnight mist]

bro forgot to kill soul hunter

💀

[solar wyvern]

Bro no way you skip soul hunters when its good loot for entire raid

[coral ibex]

our ranged players are half braindead so any fight with ranged responsibility is pure agony to reclear

and we are traumatized from wasting so many hours reclearing sprocket last tier

[midnight mist]

prolly the best boss no?

the expected fgain is insane

[solar wyvern]

I mean if they cant handle soul hunters theyre in for a time on dimmy

[midnight mist]

you have like 3 boots per kill right

[coral ibex]

yea im aware

no we also get awful loot

in raid

[solar wyvern]

3 boots per kill, +decent neck +tier piece

Like best loot by far early on

[spice surge]

Yeah but the fight itself isnt fun

[royal lantern]

isnt fractilus kinda close or smth like that

[midnight mist]

idk

[royal lantern]

but ye, soulhunter is big gainz

[midnight mist]

soul hunter is 3 garanteed boots

so idk

[royal lantern]

iirc casters love fractilus

[coral ibex]

maybe we will drop a mythic netherprism on our 6th kill

0 so far

[waxen oyster]

vault

or do i take soleah

/s

[severe meadow]

We have only seen leather boots drop once from it

In heroic and mythic

I’m still using normal

[misty holly]

how difficult is astral antenna to manage?

[waxen oyster]

main has normal

alts both have heroic

antenna is “easy” to acquire assuming its position in the raid

but like most of your raid wants it

[severe meadow]

Manage or acquire

[waxen oyster]

the orbs just float over to you

[severe meadow]

Yeah it’s really passive

Unless you’re a movement goblin and miss orbs a lot

[misty holly]

ok ill give it a try.

[waxen oyster]

warrior somehow has seen both forge and prism

yet my dh hasnt

[gleaming geyser]

mythic prism with avoidance

[coral ibex]

im gonna get the gilded achievement today

[glacial stump]

You had a couple pulls of soul hunters then thought... nahhh

Poor Nooj

[quaint spindle]

Another reset without any patch notes on rogue fixes

[odd crater]

huys

i have question

they nerfed rogue ?

cause i got 5200 sim

but now get 5070 sim

[golden loom]

the fatebound bug that is in pins (the coins damage bug) was put into sims

but ye its been there the entire season so outside of sims nothing changed

[normal mist]

Tldr you hit the same as last week if you didn't change your gear

[odd crater]

so simulation craft fix it in sim

[humble verge]

ok so, another 17 prio - we wipe on first boss, but wtf is this;

[glacial stump]

skill diffs

[humble verge]

real

[normal mist]

That's assa rogue vs fotm players

[quaint spindle]

Average Chad rogue player accompanied by mediocre FOTM simpletons

[humble verge]

dk seems genuine

almost 3,7 last season

well

now we wiped on 2nd big pack xDDDDDDDD

[quaint spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/henya-vshojo-gg-gif-5775450130544379213

[oak tangle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d4cHFQcMoRWWMByFXk1A8T
is my sim below 5mil cause of heads bug in sims?

[coral ibex]

yes

[marsh fjord]

gratzzzz

[oak tangle]

telling me to take a neck upgrade over a dagger wtf

[marsh fjord]

There are really not many good necks.

Im gonna craft my neck

was the biggest upgrade of crafted

[oak tangle]

is this week another craft?

[glacial stump]

yes

[oak tangle]

probs do that then

[marsh fjord]

@oak tangle What you can do is do like 8 sims. and 1 sim per slot.

Put like every possible neck combination in one sim

and see which gives the most dps

[oak tangle]

it's likely because i have zero haste, and it's a high haste neck

[waxen oyster]

probably gonna hold my gilded for turbo

to get the last two tiers of the big slots

[marsh fjord]

Yeah you can do that. buit thats two more resets. i wouldnt not upgrade that long tbh

oh nevermind

thats next week

[dense cedar]

belt from vault

at least its an upgrade

[waxen oyster]

had belt last week

at least it had avoidance

[oak tangle]

why is it doing this?

[marsh fjord]

Click on the red thing

it will tell you

[oak tangle]

it doesn't make sense

[marsh fjord]

Screenshot the red thing for me

[marsh fjord]

Click on the all valorstones and all crest

on the top

and change your gem settings

[oak tangle]

already have done

[main bridge]

make sure you selected additional sparks too

[oak tangle]

i click max all

[marsh fjord]

Prob something in your settings thats doing it

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marsh fjord]

Just gotta follow it and see if it goes away

[oak tangle]

just no idea why it doesn't affect the crafted necks

[marsh fjord]

I also did mine without any gems. becaue the raw stats matter

[digital venture]

is it just me or it has been over a month till bugs were found and reported? Must be a real sticky to handle bug

[marsh fjord]

If they do fix those bugs, i dont think i will be randomly announced. it will come in a patch

[haughty flicker]

They aren't getting fixed

maybe in midnight

[marsh fjord]

Who knows

[oak tangle]

same thing happening with the chest

[haughty flicker]

I knows

[marsh fjord]

There is something preventing it bro. i can't really help you from here.

Give me the link

mabye i can see

[oak tangle]

can't link as not simmed yet, dw i'll try and find it

[marsh fjord]

I think you can also link before sim.

[digital venture]

well at least legion remix is comming soon. Time to stack mastery and pray for PB procs

[marsh fjord]

with the changes

[neat rain]

[marsh fjord]

Mythic dagger is good?

[haughty flicker]

Remix is tww classes

[digital venture]

FR? it won't be like in legion where PB would absolutely wreck? 🙁

[marsh fjord]

No its retail

[normal mist]

Just like mop remix was

[digital venture]

I'm depressed now

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosolostan-gif-22443651

[digital venture]

thought they changed it because of that x)

[digital venture]

mood! xD

[vast patio]

most puzzling sim I've had in awhile lol

[marsh fjord]

Been like that since last year

[oak tangle]

for some reason i have to have my old offhand selected, or it wont sim the neck...

[neat rain]

Gona sim the mythic dagger at max but I might be getting the deep ression

[marsh fjord]

weird

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-puzzle-off-table-gif-4119357071692951828

[vast patio]

soleah over seaforium, like

fucking how

[marsh fjord]

Is seaforium mythic?

or hero track

[vast patio]

yeah, it's a vault sim

it's idol/seaforium/soleah with the plexus belt

[vestal granite]

no in midnight they DEFINITELY wont get fixed

[waxen oyster]

fuck legion pb

[marsh fjord]

In midnight they remove those spells so they are not bugged anymore

easy fix

[neat rain]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/28Kw7MUVCZwuzNRSo3jQ6v

[astral sandal]

did the apl change or something why am i simming like 200k lower than last week in the same talents/gear

[marsh fjord]

apl didn't change.

[oak tangle]

heads bug in sims

[young reef]

have the assa st sims somehow deflated in the last few weeks or did i just randomly lose ~200k

[marsh fjord]

head bugs were already in the same sim

so that doesnt make sense

two people saying the same?

[young reef]

someone said same thing 3 seconsd ago

xdd

[marsh fjord]

[astral sandal]

lol

[young reef]

ok definitely an apic hange

not coincidence

[marsh fjord]

You guys must be friends

right

[young reef]

no

[astral sandal]

i don't have friends so that can't be possible by default

[neat rain]

fuck just realized I didn't select my crafted in the offhand gonna have to rerun my sim >.>

[young reef]

im probably rerolling havoc for my guild this week anyway so gg

[oak tangle]

not sure what you're referring to

[young reef]

but my sub and sin are only 100k apart single target now which is insane

[humble verge]

@balmy condor how is the state of d4 rn

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

I just dont sim anymore

no major upgrades left

[marsh fjord]

well. @astral sandal @young reef in the top right of your account you can find your old sims. link those + the new ones and we can take a look

[young reef]

i replaced a champ head with a myth head just now :)

[waxen oyster]

skill issue not doing that weeks ago

[young reef]

you can take a look but theres no way its a coincidence lol

[latent kernel]

why does it feel like singular focus is doing more dmg now

[vestal granite]

D4 bad

[waxen oyster]

gonna suck if they dropped my 5.4 sim

[marsh fjord]

Whispyr woulda told us

[waxen oyster]

to something smaller

[astral sandal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xe8s4u34qWgXrgRb1DAja7

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/meT9D3QM1vk5ukw1JSn3X4

[marsh fjord]

let me take a look

[oak tangle]

nooj said that the sims now include the bug

[young reef]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s3sLjwFk7Gv5AmLTX7kHud

[astral sandal]

(with a 50k upgrade on ring btw)

[young reef]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bHgBZTdrQs4nVGtnd73qMz

[marsh fjord]

You upgraded your belt + you got a entire mythic ring upgrade. that makes sense no?

[young reef]

no look at mine

mine is pure upgrade

[astral sandal]

the higher one is last week lol wdym

[young reef]

and i lost 200k

the "curerntly equipped" in my first top gear is the same trinkets i have on rn

[oak tangle]

the recent discovery that heads doesn't apply the 10% damage, was added to sims

i am pretty sure

[marsh fjord]

Yeah you are right. you did indeed went down

Would send that to whispr.

and see what he says

[young reef]

gained 2 ilvl lost 200k

[marsh fjord]

I dont know if the heads don't apply the 10% damage is in the sims now. because it was bugged entire season already

[young reef]

uhh u can @ him if you want i dont really care lol doesnt seem like i can fix it

[waxen oyster]

assa dead time to reroll sub

clearly

[young reef]

i mean

[oak tangle]

sims run their own code, not blizzards, so it would not have known

[young reef]

why willingly be the most boring st spec ever

:D

like i said im probably rolling off my rogue entirely due to guild circumstances but thatsa crazy change

my havoc is simply better than assa now

[marsh fjord]

Maybe @vestal wren knows.

Hi fuu. some people went 200k down on assa sims. do you know why by anychance?

[oak tangle]

if simc dev says to make x do y damage, it's not gonna account for y actually being z

[waxen oyster]

ret paladin?

[haughty flicker]

[vestal wren]

from yesterday to today?

[marsh fjord]

From last week

[young reef]

i think last time i simmed was likely like 5-6 days ago

and ive lost 200k

[earnest remnant]

Its the coin bug

[young reef]

with a big ilvl upgrade

[vestal wren]

i would initially assume its the bug implementation from the pin

[coral ibex]

my ST sim went down 400k from last week it’s just the coin bug

[marsh fjord]

Alright thank you 🙂

Then we got that sorted 😄

[young reef]

i mean yea that makes sense its like a 4% dps loss

[oak tangle]

is there an option to run the sim with old stuff, i wanna feel good about myself again

[vestal wren]

if its from yesterday, i can look the commits on simc and search for causes

[marsh fjord]

No it was a sim from 7 days ago

[young reef]

nah my old sim is from longer than that

[vestal wren]

i also noticed outlaw and sin fatebound going down when i re-simmed them ^^

[young reef]

ol dsim was 6 days ago

[vestal wren]

fatebound is still good even with the bug

[vast patio]

oh you have to be kidding me lmao

[marsh fjord]

@vestal wren

• old: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xe8s4u34qWgXrgRb1DAja7

• New: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/meT9D3QM1vk5ukw1JSn3X4

[young reef]

yeah but now its only really like 2% better than sub st for me at least

and to me thats really barely enough to justify

[golden loom]

I mean have you played fatebound so far this season?

[vestal wren]

that great

[golden loom]

cause ingame nothing changed

[young reef]

yes

[vestal wren]

more reason to play sub

not biased

[young reef]

i was under the impression it was better statistically than it was

now i know better

[midnight scroll]

okay thinking about doing my guild's social raid as sub in full sin gear, how fucking cooked will i be

[young reef]

never have to flip coins again

[young reef]

probably not very cooked

[vestal wren]

^ i did compare the specs recently

[young reef]

i mean the fact there was a bug definitely makes sense from my experience just comparing my dmg to my sim numbers

[marsh fjord]

Kinda nice that it's 50/50 tho 😄

[vestal wren]

assassiantion is def. better on the earlier part of the raid

[young reef]

i feel like i was very very rarely getting full sim dps

and very often getting like 5-10% less

[vestal granite]

Assassiantion best spec far better than Assisantion

[coral ibex]

nah thats a skill issue for sure

[young reef]

no it isnt lmao

[coral ibex]

10% under sim?

are you sure

[young reef]

we literally know for a fact now sims were 5% inflated

have you heard of variance sir

[coral ibex]

"very often"

[golden loom]

damn I sim like 5,2m

[young reef]

how the fuck are you interpretting very often lmao

[golden loom]

I am the goat 🔥

[young reef]

am i saying 90%???

[coral ibex]

how are you interpreting very often

i mean 90% is very often

[haughty flicker]

You also have like a 6% buff in raid sims don't have

[young reef]

i just mean that when i was simming 5mill i was most of the time not actually at 5 mill

because the sims were off

[golden loom]

also raid fights arent patchwerk fights

[haughty flicker]

Ur mom

[golden loom]

unless its fract

[oak tangle]

there is so much wrong in chat right now

anyone trying to equate sims to raid fights is insane

[young reef]

what i am saying is that only in my top 25% of pulls would i really be getting full sim dps

[golden loom]

on what boss

[oak tangle]

are you raid fights the exact length of your sims

[young reef]

on loom

pure single target

low downt ime

[oak tangle]

loom has damage amps

[golden loom]

loom even has a 33% damage amp

after 50% hp

[young reef]

yes but pre damage amp

[marsh fjord]

SIMS: Is an average what you should be doing on a fight that does not involve any cheese.

[young reef]

i said pulls

not kills

[coral ibex]

[young reef]

and yes i know theres execute

[fallow canopy]

So pre damage amp where you don't get zoldyck value

[young reef]

the sims were literally wrong

nice cope though

[midnight scroll]

SIMS: big robot you should always listen to but also never listen to

[young reef]

i mean....

[golden loom]

sims are a gearing tool

[young reef]

when you are deciding what spec to single target

in a near patchwerk fight

you may listen to the sims

[oak tangle]

bro you are equating apples to tomatoes, and claiming they are both a form of karate

[marsh fjord]

It not like, oh my sim is saying i should do 5.2 and im doing 4.9 that you currently suck

[young reef]

when the sims tell you assa does 10% more than your sub on st, you may feel more swayed to choose assa

but if those sims were wrong you may be justifid in doing otherwise!

[oak tangle]

no

[opaque sky]

Whatd we get

[oak tangle]

cause sims aren't equatable like that

[young reef]

yes

dude yes they are

[golden loom]

no cause comparing sims between specs also is dumb

[fallow canopy]

If my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike

[young reef]

i know that fights are different lmao

[coral ibex]

dude no they aren't

[opaque sky]

I need to get out of bed to check

[coral ibex]

you can't compare sims between specs

not only are they not comparable, they also dont reflect actual performance in raid

[marsh fjord]

you still in fucking bed man?

wake the fuck up

[young reef]

well seems like they are pretty accurate by fuu's numbers

[coral ibex]

sims are for figuring out the best gear for your guy in a single spec

[oak tangle]

sims are relative

not absolute

[opaque sky]

It's 230am

[coral ibex]

if assa and sub should be performing relatively equal based on sims, why does assa outperform sub on fract

[young reef]

more like, they can be more or less wrong

[opaque sky]

Wtf tou mean wake up

[runic hinge]

Big

[young reef]

they shouldnt

assa is performing about 5% better

[coral ibex]

but they do

[golden loom]

also if you are chosing single target spec based on sims, why are we not picking hunter

[opaque sky]

Just backstab fract 🙂

[young reef]

and those numbers bear it out

[fresh kelp]

You can’t proc find weakness on fractilius because you mostly can’t stand behind him

[haughty flicker]

Sub players just suck

Ez

[fresh kelp]

so sub is down some 2% by default compared to sim

[golden loom]

but u dont get it, sims are the end all be all

[fresh kelp]

truth nuke

[young reef]

apparently sims are just to figure out what gear to put on your guy, the numbers they spit out are always completely random otherwise and no one tries to make them accurate :D

[coral ibex]

the first part, yes

the second part you're just mad

[red schooner]

this is bait

[oak tangle]

they are relevant for your spec, to compare items vs items and talents vs talents

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[coral ibex]

but if you want to prove me wrong

[young reef]

why not just have ti say 3 million, it has no bearing on the game

[coral ibex]

please show me what objective standard all 5m patchwerk sims are made to

can you link me to the documentation?

[golden loom]

but if we talk about sim dps, and then you talk about not hitting it on PRE-50% HP loomithar, WHEN THE SIM DPS ALSO TAKES EXECUTE INTO ACCOUNT

[coral ibex]

so i can evaluate each sim

to see if it meets the standard of quality

to make them comparable

[young reef]

some of them will be higher quality than others

[opaque sky]

@marsh fjord What did you get in vault

[golden loom]

cause the 5 min sim goes from 100% hp to 0% HP, so part of the sim dps is in execute

[coral ibex]

that's why they're not comparable buddy

[main bridge]

could you show me the code where it produces random numbers? it's on Github

[oak tangle]

hunter literally had the incorrect sim for the first 6 weeks of the patch

[coral ibex]

sorry to burst your patchwerk bubble

[main bridge]

or any evidence that this isn't totally made up

[coral ibex]

but sims are literally just to figure out your best gear

on your guy

in one spec

[marsh fjord]

im from EU

nothing yet

tomorrow is my turn

[red schooner]

Got 6 myth slots in vault tomorrow, surely I get something good.

SURELY.

[young reef]

why did anyone bother fixing it? its just to figure out what thing to put on your guy

[golden loom]

yea?

[coral ibex]

holy moly he's still at it

[oak tangle]

stop malding dude, they fix it for the aforementioned talents vs talents

[red schooner]

it's bait, I said it before.

[oak tangle]

you literally only need to know what combo is better and by what %

[coral ibex]

im bustin on my keyboard rn

[red schooner]

Just let him shout into the void and he'll fuck off

[fallow canopy]

Keyboard is innocent

[main bridge]

spreading misinformation should be stopped

[opaque sky]

What the fuck is this

[haughty flicker]

You should be stopped