we could get lingering darkness on top of lingering darkness
#assassination
oak tangle
haughty flicker
lunar pond
Like so many classes play around procs. We have blindside if talented. This excluding hero talents that drive certain actions. I could see CB becoming like killing machine for finishers
covert jewel
define coolest
marsh fjord
define coolest
I dont know, personal opinion igeuss
covert jewel
cuz "cool" is prob diff for ppl
balmy condor
All the cool ones already turned into talents
haughty flicker
Half the time I've played assa we didn't have tier sets
So i don't have a good sample size
covert jewel
i used to enjoy amirdrassil one, a little mini game added into a usual rotation to make it less boing
balmy condor
Arterial was probably the coolest I can remember off the top of my head
lunar pond
Free, full combo point gauranteed envenoms
balmy condor
Amirdrassil also turned into a talent
royal lantern
All the cool ones already turned into talents
which part of the current FB tierset will turn into a "apex talent"
90sec or the non-rng capstone
spice surge
Apex talent isnt related to hero talents
covert jewel
bug part
balmy condor
which part of the current FB tierset will turn into a "apex talent"
90sec or th...
Neither
Apex talents are on the spec tree
marsh fjord
Imagine they get rid of the 30 seconds and they add it as a apex talent. so we are deathstalker 1:30 
marsh fjord
I feel like 1:30 is easier to parse with
balmy condor
Yeah until the fights aren’t 1:30
marsh fjord
yeah i geuss
golden loom
I mean if you are on a 2 min timer you parse vs other people on a 2 min timer
Doesnt matter either way
oak tangle
having the option to pick the cd is the nice part
royal lantern
i mean, is it REALLY a "option"
spice surge
No guarantee blizzard will continue to make fights that are tailored around 90 seconds
royal lantern
when most of the time you will just play the thing that is higher tuned anyway
golden loom
Having the option to cheese cds if you bug is the only impactful one
marsh fjord
is this right?
spice surge
In fact it feels like theyre gonna gravitate towards not doing that since theyve done it so much this tier
royal lantern
like, rn you dont care about the 90sec part
you play fb cus fb is tuned higher lol
oak tangle
i mean sure, but you play DS on soulbinder, there is a world where fights allow the choice
golden loom
Thats not timer related ye
royal lantern
it has nothing to do with the CD timer
haughty flicker
Tbf the timers do line up better for 2m
golden loom
I mean if FB was tuned higher in aoe you would play it even if it fit 2 min better
Cause you can play around the timers
coral ibex
Tbf the timers do line up better for 2m
you literally hold cds from 4:00 -> 4:30 on soulbinder
marsh fjord
that would mean you would hold deathmark for around 30 seconds if you would play FB on soulbinder
coral ibex
and sub goes giga infinite on soulbinder
haughty flicker
and sub goes giga infinite on soulbinder
Because they can steal add damage with dance not because of 90s timer
Absolutely terrible comparison
coral ibex
if you dont send at 4:30 as assa you cannot hope to parse
coral ibex
Because they can steal add damage with dance not because of 90s timer
i mean there's a massive add spawn
at 4:30
exactly on a 90s timer
haughty flicker
And a massive add spawn at 2m
oak tangle
what talent build does sin play on saladaar?
coral ibex
yea if you look at lorrgs, you hold your first cds
and then it lines up the whole fight
oak tangle
cause i can't see that you'd play DS timingso n that fight
golden loom
Fatebound
coral ibex
what talent build does sin play on saladaar?
fb
haughty flicker
what talent build does sin play on saladaar?
Fb
oak tangle
how much better would DS have to be before you'd copnsider it, cause the timings are utter dogshit for a 2m
haughty flicker
Ds is legit only soulbinder and dh
royal lantern
what talent build does sin play on saladaar?
fb with spatter
oak tangle
which goes back to the point, about it being nice to have a different cd option
golden loom
I mean fatebound is like 15% ahead in ST which a big part of what Nexusking is
royal lantern
but it has nothing to do with the CD timers
like, you literally never play FB because "omg 90sec FB"
marsh fjord
It might be grief but i might test fatebound out on soulhunters
coral ibex
most of NK is ST
royal lantern
its played cus its so much ahead by default lol
coral ibex
2m specs just hold their 4m cds
oak tangle
i mean sure, but we're talking about apex talents
coral ibex
for the amp
oak tangle
not the way it is
balmy condor
is this right?
yes
balmy condor
it's a weird selection from chatGPT but those all look correct
marsh fjord
it's a weird selection from chatGPT but those all look correct
Yeah i just did past 5 tiers haha 😄
oak tangle
what would actually be the problem with making mut apply dsm as well as ambuhs
coral ibex
"it doesnt look right to reapply marks when you have DN up"
oak tangle
just have it so it only applies mark if you dont have DN ready
but losing your mark and having to use vanish to get it back is so bad
haughty flicker
Put shadow dance back on the class tree
Problem solved
(For legal reasons this is a joke)
oak tangle
let me press blind and go into stealth, if they can't see me i can be stealthy
haughty flicker
Going into stealth should only take a bonus action
oak tangle
even better, let me be in stealth the entire soul hunters fight, cause they are blind
perma IC easy
normal mist
Would you rather have IC as it is now OR a talent that made your rupture always hit 2 targets (like IC -1) at all times
coral ibex
always cleave
oak tangle
i kinda feel like we should have IC at all times
haughty flicker
main bridge
Manually rupturing everything is not fun
normal mist
it isnt
errant swallow
Manually rupturing everything is not fun
haughty flicker
ye i mean as much as someone will come in here and say "just spread ruptures kids these days smh" assa was also like perma dogshit in keys until we had it so
haughty flicker
caustic is definitely a bit problematic
and blizzard is also just like forgetting how to make any spec that can do aoe without it being a flurry type ability
runic hinge
is this right?
2 set for sepelcure is wrong
oak tangle
the fundamental problem i have with DS and caustic, is it heavily incentivises single target prio, which as much as anyone will say, "focus macro" "just swap bozo" makes interrupting harder
maiden gust
they fixed us yet
haughty flicker
only me
oak tangle
i can fix us
balmy condor
ye i mean as much as someone will come in here and say "just spread ruptures kid...
the issue has always been that if you auto-apply bleeds, you have essentially deleted 80% of assa's rotation instantly on the spot and now need a button to fill
In the past that was either crimson tempest, even though it was kinda shit and unintended cause it's spamming a bleed, or it was spamming envenom for poison bomb, or now spamming envenom for caustic.
In all of those iterations there's been something that warps the spec into some nonsense, like they had to make poison bomb silly bonkers in legion in order to give assa any aoe, or like amirdrassil caustic. If it's not envenom, then in late legion they tried to make fan of knives deal a % of poison damage instead, which then lead to the bfa fok-spam with echoing blades where you wouldn't even cast a finisher, you would just envenom every 5-6 seconds for a % damage increase and continue spamming fan of knives for your actual damage
so like yes, rupture spread sucks, but auto-applying bleeds creates the problem of "well what then", and blizzard has no decent answer for that either
balmy condor
auto-applying bleeds also kinda sucks cause you kinda need it to be 100% or nothing
like either you always auto-apply and have something
or you're just going to have pissy people bitching about the few times they can't do that
haughty flicker
ye i dont disagree
balmy condor
it's just ugly
haughty flicker
it kinda feels like a lose lose situation whichever way it goes
runic hinge
pliant remnant
haughty flicker
my perspective is definitely biased because i played very little assa before we got ic
but i do like this version a lot more
keen spruce
the fundamental problem i have with DS and caustic, is it heavily incentivises s...
Mouse over kick bozo
balmy condor
yeah, going all the way back to legion it's just kind of been a mix of "well if we auto-apply bleeds then there's nothing to do that can be reasonably balanced"
and just insanely broken borrowed power
like echoing blades
oak tangle
yeah, going all the way back to legion it's just kind of been a mix of "well if ...
idk how you'd do it, but maybe some kinda mini game, where you're hitting pandemics, which give you your auto bleed / IC stacks, so there is something to do while they are ticking down that enables you to be able to mass put them out
balmy condor
idk how you'd do it, but maybe some kinda mini game, where you're hitting pandem...
yeh idk
I mean I don't have the solution either
Blizzard doesn't even seem to have a solution
it's a really difficult problem
keen spruce
Assas dot spreading has to be balanced against other dot classes too so it not design in a vacuum
Spriest has football and Affi has taint
oak tangle
Assas dot spreading has to be balanced against other dot classes too so it not d...
shadowcrash exists
haughty flicker
all of them
coral ibex
exactly
keen spruce
That’s what I’m sayin
haughty flicker
but then they also have the same problem whispyr laid out
like aff just spread dots and spam fucking whatsitsname
keen spruce
U either make dots super strong and get rid of all auto spreading
haughty flicker
feral spread dots and just start chomping shit
oak tangle
maybe we need another finisher or a CT rework rework
keen spruce
It’s like you’re constantly refreshing bleeds cuz they last so short
coral ibex
fuck it im just gonna play wizard in midnight
keen spruce
But also I’m terrible at feral and maybe I’m just doing things wrong
Shmeowdy is not a powerful cat
oak tangle
consume the bleeds we put out, and consuming the bleeds grants IC stacks to put out more bleeds for us to consume
haughty flicker
ik im gonna get shit on for this but i actually enjoy bm and im considering maining hunter in midnight
keen spruce
I like the idea of pandemic mini game
haughty flicker
spreading barbed shots in keys to get giga dire beasts is fun
marsh fjord
If there is one thing they gotta change is that per bleed you press you dot up to 3 targets. and remove IC
haughty flicker
even if its piss easy
keen spruce
But might end up being clunkers too
normal mist
Depending on how cool warriors are, i might play S1 warrior in midnight, like i did during S2 tww
I gotta use the mog i farmed for ... a few hours!
haughty flicker
the war pvp set actually goes so hard this season
pliant remnant
keen spruce
Solo dotting 5 targets is giga garbage
Well if the dots are strong enough it’s fine but the pace of the game is too fast
normal mist
https://tenor.com/view/what-are-those-gif-23546871
its the full set 😛
runic hinge
feral spread dots and just start chomping shit
feral so fun this season
haughty flicker
oak tangle
Well if the dots are strong enough it’s fine but the pace of the game is too fas...
it's more the feeling of going into m+ 30 small dawg adds are in the pack, and you just like... "i can't bleed any of this shit, caustic and enveom"
keen spruce
Yeah but even with reasonable sized mobs at relatively high keys a pull only lasts like 30-45 seconds
So if you’re spending 10 globals spreading ruptures you’ll just never make up the damage
The whole game would have to slow down to allow for a pure single bleed spreading
oak tangle
what's the logic behind sudden demise being 200% of health btw
oak tangle
nah i thought the bleeds had to be 200% of remaining hp
keen spruce
I don’t remember
Maybe to just like
Make the execute reliable
In case random shields or heal ticks
Push the heath total too high for 100%
I’m just guessin
oak tangle
i mean it likely has something to do with opportunity cost
keen spruce
Yeah if it’s worth refreshing a bleed to get an earlier execute
Kind of makes bleed refreshing later in a pull more attractive
runic hinge
nah i thought the bleeds had to be 200% of remaining hp
its 150%
keen spruce
Kind of stinks to have mobs at like 12% hp and all of your shit is in pandemic
So it gives you a little kick back on your globals to refresh
oak tangle
7 cp ruptures balanced around taking 40s or something ig, so to have it do it's damage in 1 gcd would be a bit much i guess
oak tangle
gotta say it now
oak tangle
what about, a giga cp altering rupture change. per cp beyond max cp, rupture hits additional targets
keen spruce
what about, a giga cp altering rupture change. per cp beyond max cp, rupture hit...
You’d still have to hit a billion builders
oak tangle
yeah, but less target swapping
haughty flicker
me spamming fok 5 times in a row then pressing rupture and hitting the whole pack
keen spruce
But it does need mouse over or good tab discipline
oak tangle
which is ironic based on my previous comment abotu prio mobs i know
haughty flicker
ye i dont actually mind manually spreading bleeds, like i said earlier i like doing it with barbed shot on bm
it just tends to never be tuned well
keen spruce
It does feel clunky in the overall design of the game
Like there’s a lot of creative ideas for how to make old assas a thing
But in reality that’s just not how the game works any more
Everyone else just presses two buttons and cleaves or aoes or spreads dots
coral ibex
give us an enemy list like the boss frames
just a list of all the enemies
interactable
oak tangle
how tf we gonna caustic / dsm when plater gets nuked
haughty flicker
i get why they dont want that
it would definitely make the game feel even more like you're fighting the ui instead of actual enemies
keen spruce
I’m assuming plater gets nuked in conjunction with a nameplate overhaul
Probably taking many design elements from it
oak tangle
I’m assuming plater gets nuked in conjunction with a nameplate overhaul
i'm just worried it will be a you have to like auras shown our way or nothing (icons etc) i need progress bars and colour changes
haughty flicker
if they iterate on it a bit more, add a blacklist/whitelist etc
i wont mind losing plater at all
cunning scaffold
If they don’t let you blacklist/whitelist in the new nameplates, it’s gonna be a clusterfuck
haughty flicker
ye they absolutely have to do that, and it worries me a bit it wasnt mentioned at all in the preview
but surely they add that right
jolly stirrup
30% Loomi Wipe pull 
oak tangle
my only hope is that, they basically added 1-to-1 functionality of clique into base game, so 🤞
humble verge
we just had 3 people die
oak tangle
i've not eve begun progging loom
humble verge
i've not eve begun progging loom
and ive done 5/8 on my alt 😭
well, with a combo of top 100-300 players
so would make sense
balmy condor
30% Loomi Wipe pull <:NOOOO:889014281826369607>
if it makes you feel better, wipe parses make no sense and are bugged to shit, 5.4 would be a 30% green parse
humble verge
kekw
haughty flicker
Ye wipe parses are insanely made up
balmy condor
I think it tries to take the fight length into consideration or something but it does so incredibly poorly
balmy condor
wipe parses only compare to other wipes
it doesn't even do that I'm pretty sure
like it's just
coral ibex
congrats you did the most damage anyone has ever done on assa rogue while also wiping at that point in the fight
balmy condor
a croc of shit through and through
balmy condor
I don't think so
haughty flicker
Ive seen sub 1% wipes still be insano far off
Like idk how they compare it but they don't do it well
balmy condor
it used to be like "what would the parse be if the fight died right now"
all the way back in like fucking wod or some shit
oak tangle
good guy psych wcl. they g-ing you up to keep the mental there for the next pull
balmy condor
and then they changed it
and it's just been dog awful ever since
and now I can't even tell what it's trying to say
mild leaf
So confused, what elements help envonem hit harder? mine is averaging 3.4m vs other people on logs doing 6m+?
marsh fjord
The only way i can get a rank one parse is when we wipe
oak tangle
So confused, what elements help envonem hit harder? mine is averaging 3.4m vs ot...
shiv,envenom itself
balmy condor
So confused, what elements help envonem hit harder? mine is averaging 3.4m vs ot...
plenty of things, the way you're looking at it could impact it, shiv, mastery, crit
the hero talents you play
talents
basically everything tbh
oak tangle
damage amps
tough needle
Where is the spreadsheet that shows what atrophic poison works on for raid
oak tangle
!atro
prisma monolithBOT
Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <
mild leaf
hmm my crit is only around 13.5k... could be that
waxen oyster
idk are we comparing same hero trees
balmy condor
it definitely is not that
marsh fjord
I remember in undermine i had the same issue
keen spruce
It’s always a krill issue
waxen oyster
hmm
marsh fjord
You guys might hate me for this would i genuinely enjoy if our apex talent would revolve around poison bomb
haughty flicker
marsh fjord
brazen tide
You guys might hate me for this would i genuinely enjoy if our apex talent would...
I`d prefer stacking ruptures. :>
haughty flicker
My heart wants bleed talents
But my brain tells me it's just envenom and/or kingsbane
idle roost
how can you worry about new talents when the current talents dont even work properly. you really expect the new ones to not be bugged to hell?
haughty flicker
Rogue has always been bugged and will always be bugged
marsh fjord
how can you worry about new talents when the current talents dont even work prop...
If you are worried about something do you not go to work anymore or school?
haughty flicker
Losing sleep over it does nothing
marsh fjord
because thats the same thing
idle roost
If you are worried about something do you not go to work anymore or school?
i can usually fix the things i worry about
marsh fjord
here is a life lesson, something in life you can't change. no matter what happens
idle roost
here is a life lesson, something in life you can't change. no matter what happen...
heres a life lesson: d4bad
marsh fjord
i agree
unborn rain
idgaf bout bugs cuz the aesthetic is cool
and the numbers arent so atrocious
the devs have definitely lost the plot on rogue tho
runic hinge
Just juice me up with new bleed talents
vestal granite
Imagine you play at 2.2 rating and hunter doesnt manage to stun or scattershot during storm bolt, champion spear and demolish
with nothing else happening
vestal granite
fuck
unborn rain
runic hinge
You’ll get em next time champ
vestal granite
imagine though
runic hinge
Yeah can’t rely on a hunter to press their buttons
unborn rain
i cant
thorn thorn
all the way back in like fucking wod or some shit
According to xeph its kills closest to the wipe time
Is what its basing the parse off of
balmy condor
According to xeph its kills closest to the wipe time
okay well that doesn't make much sense either cause this is like 5:05? 5:02?
thorn thorn
Im just sharing what he told me
balmy condor
there's plenty of low 5 min
that are in the 6 mil
so even if that were true
it's not working
in that case in fact, assa/warrior wipe logs should in theory always be shit
cause like a 30% wipe at 5 min
would get compared to a kill at 5 min
and you just lose all execute
math ain't mathin
thorn thorn
You could ask him for more in depth info
balmy condor
You could ask him for more in depth info
yeah I mean idk
they're useless info anyway
and I'm on a mental health trend of not giving a shit about things I don't care about
life is easier that way
drifting cloud
and I'm on a mental health trend of not giving a shit about things I don't care ...
see you in 5hours
main bridge
Saladbar lives!
red schooner
Oh boy, nexus king time. I'm... not looking forward to this.
thorn thorn
and I'm on a mental health trend of not giving a shit about things I don't care ...
I knew that
thorn thorn
stoic holly
I have two short questions. Maybe I am dumb and just over looked them in the guides.
- Do I always use my Blindside Progs in Cleave Fights in the Raid/M+?
- How many Mobs do I usually Use rupture/Garrot on in Cleave fights in Raid? (I don't use indiscriminate Carnage) We are currently on Mythic Araz if this matters.
balmy condor
- blindside replaces mutilate, you can't avoid using it even if you tried
- you don't
stoic holly
1. blindside replaces mutilate, you can't avoid using it even if you tried
2. yo...
Okay i think i worded my 1. Question wrong. ^^ Do I use it over Fan of Knives in AOE?
red schooner
1. blindside replaces mutilate, you can't avoid using it even if you tried
2. yo...
I'm cancelaura'ing my blindside out of spite
onyx pond
are 62 wipes on Mythic Araz normal ?
strange onyx
and I'm on a mental health trend of not giving a shit about things I don't care ...
Very brave of you 👏
red schooner
are 62 wipes on Mythic Araz normal ?
Yeah, sounds about right
balmy condor
Okay i think i worded my 1. Question wrong. ^^ Do I use it over Fan of Knives in...
you use it like you would mutilate, so in a raid build you wouldn't fok until 5 targets
severe meadow
Okay i think i worded my 1. Question wrong. ^^ Do I use it over Fan of Knives in...
You FoK at 5+ targets
balmy condor
are 62 wipes on Mythic Araz normal ?
60 is pretty low but the fights are getting overgeared
severe meadow
I don't wanna start saladhar prog <:uglyassdog:1370509827280867400>
I hope you like phase 1
balmy condor
couple weeks ago 100+ was very regular
red schooner
I hope you like phase 1
This is my life for the next month
Normally we're not this far into the raid before bosses get nerfed into oblivion
severe meadow
We've only had one good night of salad bar prog
haughty flicker
Normally we're not this far into the raid before bosses get nerfed into oblivion
this is the nerfed into oblivion version
royal lantern
tuned really weird
red schooner
this is the nerfed into oblivion version
fuck
royal lantern
i mean
they made the dmg less insane
mechanics are still the same and just as deadly, 1 guy fucks up = wipe lol
its just not "yeha the intermission transition literally 1hit kills everyone that is not at 100%hp and has a deffensive running" anymore
red schooner
at least soul hunters is over, I... did not enjoy that boss.
strange onyx
p1 salad king is just p1 queen anusrek all over again
royal lantern
@red schooner the best part about sal is
you find out how much your healers actually suck at healing
severe meadow
We're the opposite, we have sick healers but dps keep getting beamed
red schooner
you find out how much your healers actually suck at healing
I'm waiting for our saviour healer to finish their actual prog.
severe meadow
red schooner
We have someone in a wr 100-200 guild who for some reason, joins us for prog when his prog his over.
The dudes insane.
Finishes prog, 'I fancy some more prog'
royal lantern
We're the opposite, we have sick healers but dps keep getting beamed
we have the ussual "omg im always in angel form xddd its so funny" holy priest
and yeha, you notice that the RL doesnt find it that funny anymore this tier, cus its insane that on almost every single boss you see he angel pop up after 20seconds on the first thing that happens, and throw out 2 cr on them
haughty flicker
i feel like my guilds healers are pretty decent
you know, for a rwl guild that is
guess i'll find out soon
shut marsh
do you guys think its more worth to do this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oHeZVogTtyzYhgEbTZCXtm over having crafted embelished wristts?
desert crest
No
Main hand ilvl is really important so i would just try really hard to get a myth dagger instead
severe meadow
guess i'll find out soon
What boss are yall on pookie
severe meadow
do you guys think its more worth to do this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...
offhand is our least important slot
severe meadow
the optional boss
Hunters?
red schooner
the optional boss
we just finished with them. I'm now scared.
haughty flicker
ye
haughty flicker
thorn thorn
We're the opposite, we have sick healers but dps keep getting beamed
Its usually one or the other
shut marsh
offhand is our least important slot
hmm ok at this point should i do anymore crafted gear or just wiat until i get bis pieces
shut marsh
yea only thing left on that list that isnt myth already is my rings
wrist was the first thing i crafted ;-;
runic hinge
Rings are good cause you can check every combo of stats and you get 2 sockets
shut marsh
ah ok
haughty flicker
lucid silo
daily reminder that the meta baja blast flavor for m+ is midnight
red schooner
Is saladhar an elusiveness fight instead of cheat death due to the MC thing in P1?
coral ibex
yes
red schooner
Good to know!
royal lantern
Is saladhar an elusiveness fight instead of cheat death due to the MC thing in P...
tbf, elusiveness doesnt really help cus like
feint works on everything
coral ibex
elu makes evasion a button you can press
royal lantern
atleast CD works in p2-3 
red schooner
Dunno, still figuring it out. I did no prep
red schooner
I didn't expect us to get this far
royal lantern
p1 over and it goes into intermission? feint
you just press feint everytime dmg happens on you
red schooner
Noted! Cheers.
errant swallow
Hello
desert crest
When turbo boost comes out will it cost gilded or runed to upgrade from 704-710?
spice surge
Presumably its like last season, which means its gilded
desert crest
Yeah thought they would do it like that damit
Kinda silly tho since then hero track costs quite a lot of gilded
But i guess that is in line with the spirit of this round of boost
clever sparrow
😭
errant hawk
1month later …
unborn rain
get the fuck out
visual sun
Id like to say brain but that’s reserved to ret
hollow smelt
strange onyx
Atleast we getting the leaked rework soon announced ✨
unborn rain
soon?
runic hinge
The second
balmy condor
Atleast we getting the leaked rework soon announced ✨
okay it was a little funny at first now it's just trolling and baiting, going to ask you to stop it now or mutes will come rollin in
unborn rain
opaque sky
What's sin looking like on myth soulbinder? Send deathmark on Pull, save second for middle, tunnel boss entire fight?
Caustic spatter onto adds?
coral ibex
you have to send DM at exactly 2:05 and 4:30
balmy condor
on soulbinder it's play deathstalker
coral ibex
or you are cooked
balmy condor
you have giga tight timing on first dm
needs to be insta on cd
and then you hold 4min dm for add wave
and pray to god your raid lets you caustic
heavy emphasis on that last part
opaque sky
Well I'm in a "newish" guild cause I came back to the game last week
So I dont think that's an issue
Considering I almost topped the kill as a 702 outlaw with no gear/stats this week
coral ibex
my boy bigscout is off the same goop i fear
balmy condor
bro he is not just off the goop
he is geeked onto a different planet
what is that yap
pliant remnant
most intelligent hunter enjoyer
lost nexus
Man... I wish the days of when Blizzard adding when good spells such as Crembus' Hidden Tiny Toxin
Such as
onyx rain
!plater
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
balmy condor
Man... I wish the days of when Blizzard adding when good spells such as Crembus'...
I think that’s enough of this now
balmy condor
Well until the mute comes out, then you can’t
lost nexus
🤓
balmy condor
But I’m sure you can considering how long you’ve dedicated to the bit
humble verge
my boy bigscout is off the same goop i fear
severe meadow
my boy bigscout is off the same goop i fear
opaque sky
Cleave build doesnt feel that bad in M+ when I want to do some sort of boss damage lmao
normal mist
just missing out on all the AoE basically
opaque sky
Just caustic spattering off main target pretending to be outlaw isnt too bad
night lantern
during a big pull, i tend to lose my target that has deathstalkers mark. You guys have any tips or tricks to sort of find that target again after swapping for an interrupt or something when theres a ton of targets on screen?
coral ibex
during a big pull, i tend to lose my target that has deathstalkers mark. You gu...
whispyr's plater has a recolor mod that changes the nameplate color
opaque sky
needs to be insta on cd
So dont even go for envenom into burst? Just full send without envenom buildup?
pliant remnant
or that
and if you still struggle to click on it even when you can kinda see where the nameplate is, you could macro focus into your Ambush and then just click on the focus unit frame
balmy condor
So dont even go for envenom into burst? Just full send without envenom buildup?
You can, but just need to make sure you’re not delaying the 1 min kb
pliant remnant
coral ibex
i yoinked it and added to my slightly modified atrocityui plater, which itself is based on jundies
opaque sky
So full send the burst ignore envenom start up, should have KB up before the 4x+ Adds in mid yeah?
night lantern
and if you still struggle to click on it even when you can kinda see where the n...
I did think of this, but I also use my focus macro to cast tricks on the tank. I wonder if theres a smarter way to cast tricks on the tank then =/
pliant remnant
There is
night lantern
but also ill check out plater, changing the color of it seems like a no brainer, even if i dont know how to do it in elvui haha.
night lantern
you guys are crazy helpful 🥲
pliant remnant
but also ill check out plater, changing the color of it seems like a no brainer,...
If you're using ElvUI nameplates, disable them in ElvUI settings and get Plater
Plater clears
real comet
is there a way to sim two items that i dont have in droptimizier? ie if i have neither antenna, nor netherprism, but want to see how much of an increase it would be if i had both?
unborn rain
lily is okay but u should prob sim which one to farm using droptimizer
opaque sky
Prism or forge for on use
opaque sky
If I can only get one
severe meadow
lily and pacemaker
unborn rain
^
severe meadow
if you're only going for m+ trinkets
runic hinge
Signet
severe meadow
2 on use isn't good
runic hinge
Is better than lily
ebon notch
Get a signet and pacemaker
signet over lily?
unborn rain
u dont need to worry about trinket min maxing till ur 700+
runic hinge
Yes. It lasts 20 seconds
ebon notch
its not about minmaxing
runic hinge
He’ll be 700+ by tomorrow. Don’t underestimate his degeneracy
ebon notch
ye i was about to say lmao
unborn rain
based
opaque sky
If you can only get Prism or Forge (Funneled) what would you rather
ebon notch
prism
opaque sky
How does prism line up in pulls, use at start, use at 2minutes? or save for first 2min reset
runic hinge
Just macro to dm in m+
Can do the cheese where you stack it pre-key for big first pulls
opaque sky
Can do the cheese where you stack it pre-key for big first pulls
Raid wise
Just trying to figure out prism logistics for opener, use or save for second set of cds
coral ibex
macro to DM for deathstalker and vanish for fatebound
dont have to think about it beyond that
opaque sky
Fair
coral ibex
you'll get ~12-14 stacks every 2 minutes and 18 every 3
opaque sky
Any other back sheathing Daggers aside from twinblades
Twinblades dont let me enchant illusions 🙁
coral ibex
the kingslayers
legion artifact
might just be this family of appearances tho
small ones too
opaque sky
Good enough
So why's signet better than lily in M+? lily gives more mastery no? or is it just the extra 5seconds of uptime
balmy condor
signet is 2 min and lily is 1:30
but you cast both as 2min
signet lasting longer is just straight up better
opaque sky
Yeah so it's just the duration
balmy condor
signet isn't even a good trinket really
but 1:30 trinket when you're casting it every 2 min
kinda garbage
opaque bolt
cool mog ^.^
honest needle
i asked the other day but i forgot what u guys said whats best ability for the belt ?
oak tangle
pretty sure it's critical chain, it's in the guide if you wanna be 100%
opaque sky
Sudden demise is so satisfying when speed running heroics
oak tangle
heroics, wha?
oak tangle
isee, that''s some committment to the grind
opaque sky
Yeah, using rank 3 pots and shit too 🙂
coral ibex
says dont support fight style
?
coral ibex
pliant remnant
frail vault
For raid am i suppose to use shiv on cd but make sure i have 2 for deathmark window?
balmy condor
2 shivs for deathmark window, 1 for kingsbane
rinse repeat every 1:30
vanish every 3 min with dm
tawdry falcon
Picking up ass for the St
frail vault
Would there be a single shiv available in between both windows?
tawdry halo
this guy maths
balmy condor
have been known to math a little
haughty flicker
runic hinge
Yeah ok nerd
frail vault
ohh okay ty ty
opaque sky
Is there a command for the most common mistakes while playing ass?
Playing Rogue
Not washing ass
Dairy
tawdry halo
for your guild?
coral ibex
yes
solar wyvern
errant swallow
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
runic hinge
atrocious vibes for 2h 30m so far tonight
Nexus prince gonna kill the guild?
coral ibex
count is wrong we're over 200
should be on p3
and people are still dying p1
to not looking at ghosts
unborn rain
we hit araz intermission twice this week
main bridge
i feel like at 200 pulls if you still die to p1 stuff it's time for the bench
unborn rain
i feel like at 200 pulls if you still die to p1 stuff it's time for the bench
110
dont ask why that number
coral ibex
do you not have a bench?
no
main bridge
unlucky
i feel like that is bad for morale
it can be very frustrating when there is a large skill disparity in a raid
cunning needle
and people are still dying p1
PSA: you can keep alive an MCd person for the duration of the MC debuff with Cyclone, and they come out alive!
coral ibex
i love when the weakaura just tells both of us to go right
balmy condor
Definitely not
tawdry falcon
count is wrong we're over 200
Im at over 50 pulls on frac, so it can be much, MUCH worse
oak tangle
sub is calling
old obsidian
well 2 actives with prisma
oak tangle
cunning needle
i love when the weakaura just tells both of us to go right
we just decided to not rely on the weak aura
tank always gets middle
someone calls
and other person adjusts
coral ibex
yea that clip is the only known evidence of anyone in the raid ever adjusting correctly
"right!" "right!"
...
and we're dead
golden loom
Bleeds are dynamic
opaque sky
Alright cool
haughty flicker
ct snapshots with target count
just not with buffs
guess could be arguable if that counts but it feels like it does to me
runic hinge
Imp garrote snapshots technically. Not your trinket or anything just the extra 50% for the duration of the buff
oak tangle
feral is tigers lust right?
runic hinge
feral is tigers lust right?
Tigers fury snapshots
They also have a talent that gives you rake from stealth after a finisher
oak tangle
that's right, idk if it still works the way, but they have weakauras to track if you have a higher level of snapshotting
available
runic hinge
Yeah they do
You don’t always use a higher snapshot tho
Like you always refresh rip in pandemic with blood talons and if it gets TF great but don’t refresh early and don’t let it drop
runic hinge
I got 3k this week
haughty flicker
Rip el gato
runic hinge
Will probably push a bit higher
Maybe resil 14’s or so
Feral is just so much fun tbh
A whole bunch of buttons and I have 2 bloodtalons trackers cause my brain is small
But overall I love the play style this season
haughty flicker
Meanwhile I made my bm wa and it has two bars and 4 buttons
Although i need to update it for dr when I start playing again
haughty flicker
Haven't been able to do anything outside of raid log recently
runic hinge
I got Aotc on rogue this week so imma bring Druid to our raid from now on
Have to show our current feral player who’s boss
haughty flicker
oak tangle
which is your main?
haughty flicker
Last season I played my boomkin alt on stix because we didn't have one
Then we got a trial and I was still doing better than him despite being lower geared and not my main
runic hinge
This season is probably Druid. I just raided on rogue cause we have a feral player and we didn’t have a rogue. I just didn’t want to play deathstalker Assa in keys for the third season in a row
haughty flicker
This season is probably Druid. I just raided on rogue cause we have a feral play...
Real
oak tangle
fair, that's why i priested in undermine
runic hinge
I will more than likely play assa again in midnight
haughty flicker
I was doing keys as rogue and just gave up and swapped to hunter
Raid on rogue keys as hunter
oak tangle
resi keys, but only aotc this week is kinda crazy skill gap tho
runic hinge
Yeah I showed up to week 1 as shadow and was like oh hell no I can’t be this slow
I raid with my one day 3 hours a week aotc guild cause my work schedule is trash and they are nice fun people
We have about 7 grey parsers tho
oak tangle
yeah, i don't mean anything elitest by it, but just a big skill diff
we do the same raid schedule, maybe 3 weeks ago for aotc
runic hinge
Our raid leader uhh has us full clear normal for the first 3 weeks so all our raid loggers can get gear so that takes some time
opaque sky
Sounds like the guild to be in
oak tangle
yeah we probs only did week 1 normal
oak tangle
but we also asked all raider to push for 2k
opaque sky
That's unreasonable
oak tangle
why's that unreasonable
runic hinge
One of our tanks has resi 14’s and the other has done a single 10
oak tangle
2k is quite an easy achievement, and if the raid team's goal is AOTC, then you'd hope your raiders were capable of 7's
runic hinge
I was the third person in guild to get 3k and I got it this week after swapping mains twice
opaque sky
I pugged to 3k in one week of play time, starting from fresh 80, no excuse for not getting 2k tbh
oak tangle
we used it more for early catalyst charges, limited peeps to getting 2 from raid till we all had 4 pc
and honestly just a simple loyalty check
coral ibex
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mcPkPSj5G9NwuY2pBSdvtE
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1chyMUtU67ptyY4QKTVuDk
i thought i had on caustic
why does my sim number change drastically day to day lol
its the same items, same talents
opaque sky
718
coral ibex
i can probably get the gilded achievement tomorrow
rotund oak
its the same items, same talents
is that a rhetorical 😉
lusty kraken
why does my sim number change drastically day to day lol
Depends on what bugs we are getting that day 
earnest remnant
Isnt that just cuz the FB bug was put into the sim lol
rotund oak
well maybe corrections/buffs/hotfixes pushed into sims
the variation is too high
or isnt
run the analogy,see the variation
margin of error on both is .05%
thats rly smol
coral ibex
im just running sims to figure out what to use for reclear tomorrow
was just making sure i wasn't just missing something obvious
need a myth prism in my vault tomorrow big time
rotund oak
need a myth prism in my vault tomorrow big time
hold on need to search for the cope emoji
coral ibex
rotund oak
rotund oak
Isnt that just cuz the FB bug was put into the sim lol
must be it yeah
rotund oak
ebon steppe
Fuck blz
potent lance
how can i add ( ) this around percentage in plater health bar like (100%)
balmy condor
"double on use is bad"
It would be a lot worse if your alternative wasn’t -20 ilvl to be fair
Had the same thing in stream earlier
“You’re not playing double on use?”
No it’s bad
“But my sim says equal”
723 forge vs 710 antenna
balmy condor
Same
coral ibex
i can probably just send my pace to 710 tomorrow
balmy condor
Funniest part was the argument for running double on use was “but you get a trinket for the titan”
coral ibex
feels bad tho
balmy condor
The titan that is not surviving my kingsbane to begin with
golden loom
i can probably just send my pace to 710 tomorrow
no need king u will have good trinkets in vault and get prism on reclear
coral ibex
im not getting prism if it drops in reclear
there's a hunter for whom it is a 4% upgrade
balmy condor
Why is everyone on a double on-use bender rn anyway
golden loom
coral ibex
ideal scenario is he gets prism in vault actually
balmy condor
Everyone has hated double on use since forever
golden loom
im not getting prism if it drops in reclear
just have 2 drop like we did when I got mine
rotund oak
and only use forge
./use 13 14 on a macro forget it exists
quiet oar
./use 13 14 on a macro forget it exists
I have thats Macro on Sub
coral ibex
impossible, we get literally no loot in raid
haughty flicker
me when i have /use 13 /use 14 but i accidentally have prism on 13 and forge on 14
that was a fun first half of soul hunters prog
golden loom
this is with 0% miss chance, wonder if I would even bother using antenna over pacemaker
golden loom
the only char I have antenna on is on DH and idk if I like it
I would also lose the leech I have on my pacemaker!!!!!!!
haughty flicker
this is with 0% miss chance, wonder if I would even bother using antenna over pa...
last time i simmed i had to set miss chance to like 40% or some shit for champ antenna to lose to heroic pacemaker
but i have dogshit trinkets so
oak tangle
i feel like the miss chance is a dumb metric anyway
golden loom
this is myth pace vs myth atenna
rotund oak
I would also lose the leech I have on my pacemaker!!!!!!!
most based trinket
oak tangle
just collect orb when you gonna cd
haughty flicker
i mean the miss chance option exists because people do straight up miss the orbs
golden loom
yeah fuck it just run into singularity on dimensius and say you were picking up antenna orbs
coral ibex
rate my dimmy spread spots
balmy condor
rate my dimmy spread spots
Not bad
quiet oar
Man i wish we were at dimmy
But we fumbled two raid evenings, where Nexus-King shouldve died
vale fox
maan i need whispyr for some sub help and he's not here
the incantation has been spoken
balmy condor
I willing choose to reject your incantation
bronze pike
Everyone has hated double on use since forever
double onuse becomes less cringe when one of them is off the gcd and trinket cd
like tank tome
balmy condor
Yeah well this flavor of on use is using a 2 min on a 1:30 but then using prism as a 1:30 for when the 2 min isn’t lining up
So
It’s actually far more cringe
cunning needle
rate my dimmy spread spots
howcome between pic 1 and 2. there's a 3rd circle that wasnt there before
next to the warrior on pic2
earnest remnant
rate my dimmy spread spots
Ngl we just winged it
We had “nono” spots but nothing hard assigned
quiet oar
Ngl we just winged it
But you are Gamers
quiet oar
We missed an Arcane mage on Sunday Salhadaar
Because their ID got fucked by Blizzard
They raided Thursdays Salhadaar with us
and they had a different ID on Sunday with all Bosses Available without doing any Faciton Change or stuff like that
it just happened
red schooner
One day they'll remove mythic lockout things
quiet oar
It apparently its a bug
That can happen very rarely
and there is no counterplay
Except making Mythic Lockout work differently
quiet oar
Uno Reverse Card
golden loom
and there is no counterplay
"Ohhh nooo guys my lockout is fucked, but dont worry I got the rat alt ready to go!!!"
static glacier
rate my dimmy spread spots
better than mine
humble verge
More flexibility would be nice overall. Just open it up when HoF ends
they wont ever tho
fresh kelp
this was my assignment but on left
red schooner
they wont ever tho
I can dream
static glacier
this was my assignment but on left
we got copypasted from some top 10 guild i bet
fresh kelp
the second one is kinda sus but you can rip a rupture on the back guy then step him after the drop
static glacier
<:Shrug:1367575996022128742> the second one is kinda sus but you can rip a ruptu...
i've only been occasionally rupturing the melee guy for energy tbh
on sin pulls
still unsure if its a sin boss at all
fresh kelp
oh ye I was on sub
static glacier
it just doesn't cleave the adds
ive had like 70/30 sub/sin pulls
about 140 pulls in or so
golden loom
well you can spatter from the add -> boss right
static glacier
well you can spatter from the add -> boss right <:garf:1320173032743899157>
the idea was we'd spatter other group's add too
but that just aint reality
static glacier
should try leave a path free
i have space to sprint out easily
cunning needle
nah i meant for the raid in general
static glacier
footwork is one of my biggest strengths, I need very little space to be comfy
ah ye
static glacier
I need to get on the ranged's back, theyre putting puddles where we land in the last few knocks
cunning needle
so leaving a clear path is ideal
static glacier
its killed a lot of us, most of all the h priest
cunning needle
smh ranged doing 1 mechanic
static glacier
words can't convey my appreciation for this channel
marsh fjord
I was scrolling TikTok and I just saw a guy doing a tierlist from 29 of September saying that Assa sucks because you need restealths and we are bugged and missing 15% damage
Holy moly yikes
quiet oar
Well restealth is a lie