assassination

[lean plover]

October 2nd no?

[red schooner]

Bonus panel

[marsh fjord]

its the first

Which is wednesday

[lean plover]

aah even better

[normal mist]

Yes

[oak tangle]

we levelled up

[normal mist]

Poggers

[nova kelp]

noooooooooooooooooooo I died on the shunter kill

rip

[proven cove]

how important is staying above 50% energy for extra dmg on your bleeds?

[jaunty sky]

Not at all

In AoE its happening naturally cause you get flooded with energy, in ST its not relevant

[hot blade]

in ST you definitely should stay above 50% for sanguine blades

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[golden loom]

No you shouldnt

[marsh fjord]

bozo

[proven cove]

[strange onyx]

You guys seen the new trading post? 🤔🤨

[marsh fjord]

Is it out already?

[strange onyx]

Nah, that’s why I am asking

[marsh fjord]

yeah havent seen a post about it yet

THIS MONTH NO TRADING POST BUT INSTEAD ROGUE GET FIXED

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[midnight mist]

*assa get nerfed

[marsh fjord]

outlaw*

[placid radish]

it's kind of insane that arcane is still unnerfed

[marsh fjord]

Well its a mage spec

[lean plover]

Im surprised they havent buffed fire to oblivion this expansion

[spice surge]

I mean everybody was playing fire in undermine

Until they buffed arcane out of the wazoo

[tired bloom]

i have no problem mage being at the top. I dislike when hybrid classes are at the top (DK)

pure dps classes should be at the top always

[earnest remnant]

thats some classic wow take

[tired bloom]

yeah wotlk is my most played expansion

old habits

[placid radish]

what is a hybrid class?

like monk paladin etc?

[tired bloom]

yes

even DH i'd say

[placid radish]

I mean does hybrid even exist now

you can't heal as shadow priest

or tank as arms warrior

[earnest remnant]

its mostly a classic wow thing

[placid radish]

ye

[marsh fjord]

I dont understand what the hybrid side of a class has to do with the DPS side of a class?

Thats the most cooked take ive heard in a while LOL

[earnest remnant]

like back in old days ret off healing and shit

which they dont

anymore

[snow kindle]

Trade off for good utility = less dmg

[marsh fjord]

Dk has good ultilty?

[snow kindle]

I’d say so yeah

[tired bloom]

the original thinking was if someone invested into a class that can't be heal/tank, they should be rewarded by being top of the charts. Old school thinking with many flaws

[marsh fjord]

Grip/AMZ

thats it

[snow kindle]

Brez

[tired bloom]

but now with the ease of making alts it's a non issue

[snow kindle]

horn of winter back in the day

[marsh fjord]

In raids DK's arent going to brez

that never happens

[snow kindle]

They should

It’s the easiest one to cast lol

[marsh fjord]

it cost RP

its a DPS loss

[lunar pond]

DKs have literally been key masters the whole season

[snow kindle]

One frost strike isn’t anything

[marsh fjord]

i mean it inst no. but i feel like even if a class have a lot of utility, this has nothing to do with the DPS side of the class.

[snow kindle]

All your dmg is mainly from oblits

[marsh fjord]

I dont feel like if you have a lot of utility your DPS needs to be less then other classes

[snow kindle]

I’m just saying that’s what the logic was for back in the day

[marsh fjord]

Yeah understandable

[snow kindle]

If you had more utility typically yoi dealt less dmg

Like moonkin & ret

I honestly still think it’s true for those two classes tbh

Moonkin always fkn sucks in raid and ret only sometimes hovers top 5

[jaunty kayak]

why not? is it because our tierset is not buffing bleeds like in s2 so it ain't worth it anymore?

[strange onyx]

We getting reworked in pre-patch

[tired bloom]

assa back to wotlk rotation is the dream

rupture in between if no other class applied bleeds to boss

[golden loom]

Even in season 2 it was not really worth thinking about

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/meeting-bored-office-spaces-asleep-drowsy-gif-5385105

[royal lantern]

DK has been one of the best classes for m+ the entire expansion

and was also one of the best dps classes for S1 AND S3 Raids, and above average for S2

[lunar pond]

I meant expansion wrote season lol

If I’m in a key a red class is always present, unless it is some stupid fire mage/chicken comp or multi rogue

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha sure, frost DK is just so busted rn, no reason to not bring one

[placid radish]

they were also good in DF
during the augvoker hegemony

[royal lantern]

the frost dk can be like 5-10 ilvl under others and do the same/more dmg

[placid radish]

I mean the spec was played despite being forced to use the DnD build
now with the frostscythe it will never stop being played

[royal lantern]

well yeha, it was strong af the entire time lmao

like, i still think its hilarious how you had DK's cry about "nobody will play DK without a ReAl RaIdBuFf when its not tuned high!!!!" during S2

meanwhile it was not a top raid spec, and Unholy alone had more mythic raidboss kills then all 3 rogue specs combined

[zealous moth]

i remember hoping on retail after playing wotlk and looking for my HfB after seeing the kit was the exact same lol

[golden loom]

even just playing some frost DK this season in m+, just having grip is so insanely nice

having agency as dps is sick

makes rogue lack of utility feel even worse when you go play that

[zealous moth]

wdym we have blind

btw why is our kick 15s cd just let us kick the shit out of someone

curbstomp rogue new spec

[golden loom]

would be sick if single target cc was actually impactful and rogue could shine there

[royal lantern]

tbf, thats something you notice kinda often if you play something else

[golden loom]

think different classes having different niche utility that stand out would be sick

[zealous moth]

i mean i usually agree but

then dungeons will be even more polarized

[royal lantern]

like, you always read "omg solo stuff is so hard with rogue" and it sounds weird cus its SOLO content, aka its trivial by desing

then you play another class and just go "oh yeha, thats what they mean lol"

[golden loom]

think raid buffs makes it more of a problem

[zealous moth]

bc some pro team will find some bullshit strat where a particular class saves them 2 seconds of timer on a +24 key and all the little timmies will only invite that class

[golden loom]

but also having classes shine in different keys doesnt sound like a problem to me

[zealous moth]

but also, i don't feel like rogue has ANY niche utility, since they basically got rid of shroud after giving every add in a dungeon true sight

[golden loom]

but yeah I just wish every class I played had dk grip

[zealous moth]

like, what are we even doing on keys? sapping? there's like 3 classes that can do the same

[golden loom]

caster in narnia? dw team I got him

[zealous moth]

blind? EVERY spec has some aoe cc

[golden loom]

ye I mean stuff like kidney shot isnt relevant in a world of aoe stops either sadly

[zealous moth]

i'm still mad at ranged players afer doing a HoA the other day

[royal lantern]

makes dungeons in BfA/SL where youu need to skip stff all the time or you end up with 140% trash

people play rogue shroud and use invis pots

blizz gives everything true sight, and at the same time makes mind soothe reduce enemy aggro range

mindsootthe is now literally shroud but without a CD and working on more stuff

[zealous moth]

houndmaster in narnia fucking freecasting and they couldn't be bothered to kick it

[golden loom]

yeah also playing both dk and dh that have a longer range kick

is so nice

[zealous moth]

honestly i feel like at this point the only ONLY thing rogue brings to the table is numbing poison

and even that is just

meh

[royal lantern]

thats not a unique thing

[zealous moth]

no?

fuck

[royal lantern]

dk has attack speed slow as a fully passive thing

and warlock has cast speed reduction curse

[zealous moth]

just delete rogue

[golden loom]

well dks cant really apply it in aoe

idk about lock

[zealous moth]

WE ARE SO BACK

ay we can fucking

[golden loom]

but ye the difference between melee range kick and a 15 yard kick feels so insane

once you play with both

[zealous moth]

wound poisn the miniboss on halls

rogue big

[zealous moth]

true

i mean i understand why rogue's kick is not ranged

you´re literally

kicking them

[golden loom]

ye

[zealous moth]

you don´t have 15 feet long legs

and we have the cast restrict which is kinda nice

but i feel like nowadays the secondary effect is not that relevant

[royal lantern]

you mean mortal wounds? the thing that DH/WW monk apply passively? and Hunter can do with pets aswell? or Warrior?

[golden loom]

you mean the lockout?

[zealous moth]

like, how many dungeons have adds that are perma casting?

[golden loom]

that all other kicks also have?

while being 15 yards?

[zealous moth]

not all of them, right?

[golden loom]

dk kick 15 yards 3 sec lockout
dh kick 10 yards 3 sec lockout
rogue kick melee range 3 sec lockout

warrior kick melee range 3 sec lockout

[zealous moth]

oh

[royal lantern]

dont forget that the DH kick gives offensive resources

[zealous moth]

i mean i knew dk had it

didn't remember abt dh

[royal lantern]

and tbh, i dont really understand why they nerfed the rogue kick lockout lol

[zealous moth]

yeah i was about to say

wasn't it like 5 seconds or something like that?

[royal lantern]

ye, rogue and shaman was 5sec

[golden loom]

classic one is 5 sec atleast idk about the rest

[royal lantern]

but they nerfed it down to 3sec in DF

[vast patio]

We need that mop pvp set bonus as a talent, where kicking gave combo points.

[zealous moth]

imagine

having kick as part of the rotation bc it is off GCD

[golden loom]

also warrior can take a talent to give their kick a damage buff

holy prio dam

[zealous moth]

sheesh

[vast patio]

It's funny how inconsistent blizz is with that kinda thing

[royal lantern]

tbf, atleast rogue is one of the classes that doesnt need to skill their interupt

that shit is so cringe

[golden loom]

agreed

[royal lantern]

that it exists in the first place for some lol

[golden loom]

kick being baseline very nice

[zealous moth]

true

[vast patio]

Our class tree's middle area is kinda crap tho

[golden loom]

warrior kick is also baseline and its melee range

like DH atleast has to take a talent to increase range, and DK has to talent their kick

[royal lantern]

rogue class tree is kinda dogshit in general

thats not a new thing lmao

[lunar pond]

Some of the left tree feels like someone ran out of ideas idk

[zealous moth]

i feel like that's just the entire tree

[vast patio]

I was being diplomatic but

Yeaaaaah

[golden loom]

atleast the capstones are all pretty sick for rogue

[royal lantern]

its so weird when some classes have mandatory dmg talents in the class tree, while others dont and just have that dmg baked in and isntead get deffensive/utility talents all the time

[royal lantern]

huh?

[vast patio]

Whoever made auto thistle not a choice node should be slapped.

[lunar pond]

Imagine CB being KM procs

[golden loom]

like the capstones are all good damage nodes, some classes dont even go into their capstones cause they are awful (fury for example)

so they just fill out their trees with utility shit instead

[zealous moth]

i mean

i feel like capstones should define your talent set

like our does

hey, take icc for dungeons

having capstones be so bad that you don´t ever take them is just

yikes

[haughty flicker]

That's spec tree

Not class tree

[vast patio]

Most class trees are awful. Least awful is probably mage

[zealous moth]

oh

thought we were talking in general

abt capstones

[golden loom]

like M+ tree for fury for example, you have roar here but you barely press it, and you dont even think about taking any of the capstones

[royal lantern]

having so many dmg talents IS bad lol

[golden loom]

theres just a bunch of dogshit

[royal lantern]

and like, our capstones are crap like coldblood

[strange onyx]

They are thankfully improving the class trees in Midnight

[royal lantern]

aka "only played cus its literally forced into fatebound"

[vast patio]

Don't worry I'm sure they'll dumb us down to be just as boring as ret paladins.

[golden loom]

idk I like that it creates some choice, for example sub choosing between tea or coldblood in m+, last season assa choosing between double vanish or FI

[zealous moth]

ay

don't talk shit about my boy cb

i loved that dude in classic

[royal lantern]

yeha, cant talk shit about a 2004 ability

i dont bully seniors

sorry

[zealous moth]

the big 127 envenoms were sick

[royal lantern]

dementia patients deserve better

[zealous moth]

hey im not that old

i played classic, not release

[cunning needle]

you can talk shit about thistle tea

[zealous moth]

[golden loom]

like okay what the fuck even is the DK tree, one capstone is extra charge of grip/deaths advance and dnd, the other is a 5% magic DR, AND THOSE ARE THE CAPSTONES YOU TAKE

that shit is boring as fuck

[haughty flicker]

Id argue their tree is designed with spear/roar/avatar as the capstones

So they're using 2/3

[royal lantern]

thistle tea is suuch a filler talent, its funny, ngl

"fck, we need a talent for rogue and ignored it the entire time again, what do we do?"

"idk, lets take this weird old consumable that wasnt used for 18years and make it a capstone"

[golden loom]

only avatar is useful

[royal lantern]

[golden loom]

like you talent roar but you dont even press it

you press it if you have to run out of melee range maybe

[cunning needle]

ikr, who the fuck asked for tea to come back

[royal lantern]

probs the same brainlet that brought SnD back

[cunning needle]

true

its PEAK rogue ability

[zealous moth]

PEAK

[cunning needle]

when i play classic rogue

the first thing i think about

[zealous moth]

let me hit fast

[cunning needle]

is slice and dice

[royal lantern]

->proceeds to make assa unplayable on SL launch until they give it a passive extender

[haughty flicker]

That's literally just a tuning issue though not a tree issue

[cunning needle]

making rogue unplayable is peak rogue design though

[golden loom]

yee I guess

[spice surge]

Yeah bro imagine youre just hitting the boss with your auto attacks right, but then you press the divine slice and dice and BAM youre now hitting the mob even faster

How cool is that

[golden loom]

the DK tree is horrendously boring though, I will die on that hill after just looking at it

[zealous moth]

i agree

[royal lantern]

ngl, SL launch was just such a genuis stroke

like, outside of the extremely bad tuning

you literally had moments where your gameplay was "pull boss, apply SnD->apply bleeds->SnD is running out so you apply it again->rupture runs out so apply it again"

[zealous moth]

that kinda sounds like

current rogue but swapping snd for garrote

[royal lantern]

well, and doing less dmg then prot warrior

[zealous moth]

/j

[zealous moth]

true

[royal lantern]

18% aura buff or smth like that

[cunning needle]

remember when we used a legendary requiring 27 second prepull and talent swaps just so we would be able to cast snd prepull

but also if a boomkin pulled early we'd be stuck with a shitty legendary and lose 20% damage

good times

[zinc vale]

that's why ppl saying SL was worst expansion ever right ?

[royal lantern]

people that say SL was the worst expansion ever are dumb

cus WoD exists

and WoD was borderline a scam lol

SL had bad parts but was still a full package

[cunning needle]

yeah but wod had its moments

[lunar pond]

Nah man

[cunning needle]

pvp was great

[royal lantern]

WoD was literally not even a full expansion lol

[lunar pond]

WoD was not bad

[golden loom]

dw WoD classic on a 12 month cycle will surely be a banger (I never played wod I just like the music)

[zealous moth]

yeah it had it's good moments

like when it ended

and

that´s it

[cunning needle]

[royal lantern]

BUT BRO THE WOD RAIDS

[zealous moth]

(never played during WoD)

[royal lantern]

THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE

BUT THE RAIDS

[cunning needle]

(i quit wod half way through season 1)

[royal lantern]

ONLY LOGING INTO THE GAME 2x A WEEK AND CLEARING THE SAME RAID FOR A FULL YEAR POG IT WAS SO GOOD THE RAAAAAAIDS!!!!!!

[lunar pond]

It just lasted too long, stayed too long with HFC

[royal lantern]

like holy fuck, WoD had literally nothing except 2 kinda good raids lol

no content

nothing

[golden loom]

you know what releases in 2 days?

[zealous moth]

what

[zinc vale]

nothing ?

[golden loom]

naxx on anniversary servers

[zealous moth]

NAXX OUT

LETS GO

[golden loom]

NAXX OUT

[royal lantern]

idk, but in 4 days the new digimon game finally releases and im hyped for that

[zealous moth]

5 HOURS RAID POG

[golden loom]

I dont play anymore but I am hyped to watch my old hardcore guild do naxx

always banger content

[zealous moth]

DISTRACT STUN LOCK PATCHWERK WHILE ALL IDIOTS TRY TO WALK UP POGGY

[zinc vale]

btw where is mid season class tuning ?

anyone knows ?

[golden loom]

hardcore KT is a banger cause its just the most RNG fight of all time

[royal lantern]

yes

[zinc vale]

good answer

[cunning needle]

why do you care? not like rogues gonna get touched

[zinc vale]

ik but still

wanna see some changes

atleast some bug fixes

[cunning needle]

sorry that'll cost a raid tier in midnight

[red schooner]

Slice and dice no longer auto applies. There's the change.

God speed

[zinc vale]

kekw

[zealous moth]

take your 4 bugged hero tree talents and shut up

next season tier set will just be

2pc - whenever you enter combat, you spawn a cuck chair. interacting let´s you sit on it
4pc - your hero tree is disabled

[severe meadow]

Never going 4pc

2pc BiS

[royal lantern]

that 4 set finally makes deathstalker play good

[hollow smelt]

I’m wearing 2 pc already

[cunning needle]

it'll be 2p+2p from this season

[zealous moth]

imagine tho

your shiv is longer but you can't use it

[zinc vale]

to be fair i aint complain much since sin rogue is one of the easiest spec to play

u can play this spec with only one half of your brain

[unborn rain]

real

[zealous moth]

i started a MM hunter last week

4 button rotation

i felt like sin was giga brain playing MM

[zinc vale]

kekw

[royal lantern]

assa is easy until you play like 70% of other specs and realise how fucking braindead most specs are

and then you kinda cant understand how so many people do no dmg

[zinc vale]

playing hunter is like starter pack for playing wow

[zealous moth]

true

honestly only reason i made a hunter is so i can go dark ranger and have sylvanas in my warband lol

[zinc vale]

Good decision

[zealous moth]

but it's fun, it's pretty chill and easy

[frail vault]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal lantern]

i mean

paladin is braindead

Frost DK is lierally blue ret paladin

Arcane mage got dumbed down like crazy

ele shaman is 3 buttons

Hunter is Hunter

Warlock has 2 specs that literally just go "apply dot->spam burst ability" and demo lock got all nuance removed over the years

WW monk looks complicated until you play it and understand how simple it actually is

Balance druid is the BM hunter of casters

Devestation/Augmentation are 3 button specs

Fury warrior is a ape spec

tanks are tanks

"omg hard gamplay" from a class/spec perspective is not REALLY a thing in wow

[zealous moth]

isn't WW just LITERALLY no rotation, just APL?

[royal lantern]

the difficulty is from the encounters

[zealous moth]

cast abilities as soon as they are up=

[royal lantern]

not the specs/classes

there is stuff like outlaw yeha, but outlaw is "hard" for the wrong reasons

[zealous moth]

and then you have sub and have to press 700 buttons in perfect sequence

and then just chill casting 1 backstab every 4 seconds for an entire minute

[cunning needle]

i love me some backstab soup

tbh sub rotation isnt even that hard

the rotation is relatively static when you do burst

[midnight mist]

700 (4 buttons)

[unborn rain]

yeah that part is easy

[royal lantern]

sub is punishing if you screw it up

but its so static that screwing it up is a bit weird

[zealous moth]

ay i baited zac out

hey zac how you doin

[midnight mist]

yo cuh

im doing fine

how bout you

[earnest remnant]

the "noob" trap of sub is having cds that you arent pressing whenever they are available its the most common mistake i see when log reviewing

[midnight mist]

how are my lads in the assa channel

[zealous moth]

i'm falling asleep at work thanks for asking!

[zealous moth]

slow descent into madness as usual

[midnight mist]

nice

[royal lantern]

that sums up almost every spec in the game tbh

sitting on cds = bad

[earnest remnant]

i was literally reviewing someone last night, asking me how to do dmg on soulbinder, the guy just sent everything on cd not lining anything up for adds what so ever

[earnest remnant]

yeah its where sub is different

alot of holding

[midnight mist]

not really that different tbh

you just need to have 3 cds instead of 1 to be allowed to send it on cd

[vast patio]

Oh God he's gonna roll ass

Brace for impact

[midnight mist]

like sod dance adn sec tech

[earnest remnant]

most classes is just rip on cd

with all their min cds

and it just naturally lines up

for sub you funny enough cant do that

[midnight mist]

i guess

but if you tell the guy once

that he needs to have the 3 things ready to send

[earnest remnant]

its just about it being intuitive or not

[midnight mist]

ye its not

if you are turbo dumb !

[polar cape]

Or wdym i cant macro all those thing together <.>

[earnest remnant]

tbf i made bank during the shadowdust era of sub with coaching and log reviewing

for some reason people really couldnt understand that

[static glacier]

Tbh the regular buttons are so few you don’t really need macros

[midnight mist]

i miss dust ..

[vast patio]

People paying for coaching is fucking crazy to me.

[zinc vale]

bro im so sorry for hurting your feelings

[static glacier]

2 button rotation

[royal lantern]

its ok, we can make out anyway

[zealous moth]

literally just

install hekili

[final lotus]

Cant people just ask for a log review in here people seems to really helpful in this discord

[zealous moth]

free coach

[earnest remnant]

i really enjoyed it on prog, on farm it was pure torture

[vast patio]

Or just read the damn guides/watch good players on twitch or something

[cunning needle]

other discords arent as good as this one

[midnight mist]

thats me with sub

in general

[cunning needle]

also some people need to be told

[midnight mist]

i just hate sbu in farm

[cunning needle]

exactly what to do

[earnest remnant]

im kinda the same

[midnight mist]

or well cds in farm

i guess

[cunning needle]

and have someone read a guide out to them

[vast patio]

If I'm ever confused by something I just watch a good player do it and I'm like "oh OK that clears it up"

[cunning needle]

yeah but youre probably smarter than the average person

[earnest remnant]

alot of people have no idea what to look for

[cunning needle]

reminder that only 20% of players get aotc

[static glacier]

I enjoyed experimenting with timers for it on prog, felt like a puzzle to be solved yknow

[zealous moth]

there's no way

the % is THAT low

[vast patio]

I cannot fathom how so much forum drama centers around +2 keys.

[earnest remnant]

it is

[midnight mist]

that high you mean

[vast patio]

And how the leaver penalty evidently is due to that.

[cunning needle]

only hafl the people playing can get ksm

[earnest remnant]

majority of the people in the game dont set foot in HC

[midnight mist]

i dont think 20% of wow players get aotc lol

thats legit fake

[zealous moth]

that is insane

[earnest remnant]

i had a person buy coaching

[vast patio]

Ghuun broke my aotc streak 🙁

[earnest remnant]

that only did lfr and world quests

[royal lantern]

majority of players dont do content beyond normal/heroic queue dungeons and LFR mate

[earnest remnant]

i ended up not taking money for that

i couldnt do that

[vast patio]

I wasn't guilded and pugs were terrible

[cunning needle]

delves has been a godsend for the average wow gamer

[severe meadow]

CE must be a crazy low % then

[midnight mist]

again thats fake

[cunning needle]

CE is like top 1% of wow

[vast patio]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[cunning needle]

and just think how bad the average RFWL gamer is

[royal lantern]

1-1,5% of the playerbase

[midnight mist]

cause its not a % of all wow players

[cunning needle]

are you saying the number should be higher or lower

[midnight mist]

its a % of wow players that did enough keys to be in raider io database

its way lower

[royal lantern]

^

[cunning needle]

ye

i mean

there's also like

alts

[midnight mist]

you need to time 2 keys i think to be in raiderio

[cunning needle]

that inflate it

but then it also probably inflates it the other way around as well

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[royal lantern]

iirc, 2,7k score is top10% score of players that actually did m+ last season

or smth like that

[vast patio]

Isn't twws m+ scene in particular pretty hated

[royal lantern]

no?

[vast patio]

By the plebs

?

[royal lantern]

its "hated" by the title pushers

but like

nobody cares about those, espacially not blizz

[vast patio]

I remember a lot of drama in s1

[royal lantern]

cus thats a handfull of people

ye cus for the average m+ player, s1 was "overtuned"

[midnight mist]

what

[royal lantern]

its why S2/S3 is so undertuned

[vast patio]

I hope we never get another sl dungeon

[royal lantern]

cus s1 had such a pushback

[vast patio]

Imma be real

[midnight mist]

i dont think high m+ has ever been more enjoyable

[vast patio]

Sl had the worst dungeons of all time

[midnight mist]

no affixes changed the game

so

[vast patio]

No more pls

[zealous moth]

until they find out they abused some bug and take their title back

[golden loom]

season 1 or currently?

[cunning needle]

i cant believe it took them this long to remove affix's

[midnight mist]

just current m+ compared to like before affixes

[zealous moth]

wdym

[royal lantern]

is "mixed opinions cus of turbo boost and resilient keys making pushing m+ very weird over the entire season" a better way to say it?

[zealous moth]

you guys don't like

[midnight mist]

like df etc

the game was unplayable

[zealous moth]

having to eat your party's balls?

[midnight mist]

you would play once every 4 weeks

like xd

[earnest remnant]

m+ stopped being fun after BFA

[midnight mist]

ye turbo boost is weird af

[cunning needle]

itspushweek.mp4

[vast patio]

Sorry the ghost spawned three packs back enjoy not timing

[midnight mist]

resilient is onyl weird for low title pushers

which i guess is the majority of title pushers tho

[severe meadow]

I only play with friends, and even then we only do enough for vault (Maybe 2 slots)

I got 12 resil but that was enough for me

[golden loom]

only interaction I have with resilient is seeing people be cringe about it in group finder

[vast patio]

I have a genuine question zac, is there a reason to go outlaw besides the raw flex when pushing that high

[zealous moth]

yeah

the true gamba spec

[midnight mist]

fun

[golden loom]

maybe if u have fun on the spec?

[midnight mist]

thats all

[golden loom]

isnt that the reason to play videogames

to have fun

[midnight mist]

i play wow for fun

[vast patio]

The realest gamer

[zealous moth]

not if you play wow

[midnight mist]

i know its like

[zealous moth]

you play to sweat

[midnight mist]

nowadays its not something people do

generally

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-macska-cica-vomit-oklendez-gif-14738230240638170539

[vast patio]

Based af

[zealous moth]

WDYM YOU ARE NOT RUNNING A 24/7 SIM TO GET A 0.0001% DMG INCREASE???

[midnight mist]

but i still play wow for fun idk

[midnight mist]

i am

[zealous moth]

https://tenor.com/view/desync-table-slam-table-smash-crush-angry-gif-1736984351640038904

[midnight mist]

but on outlaw

[vast patio]

I'm waiting for it thursday

'Removed kir, removed crackshot"

[zealous moth]

"removed outlaw, turns it being a spec was a bug"

[royal lantern]

ngl, for me its more like

man, giga sweating for World of Warcraft out of all games feels so weird lol

[vast patio]

"Removed indiscriminate carnage because fuck nathanos"

[royal lantern]

the game is NOT competitive at all, its insane how serious some people are about some stuff in it lol

[zealous moth]

NOOOOOOO MY CLEAVE ;-;

[royal lantern]

BASED BASED BASED

[vast patio]

Would assassination even function outside raid lmao

[zealous moth]

isn't it the best spec for pvp?

[golden loom]

nah

[vast patio]

Well that too

[golden loom]

thats ret

[vast patio]

But carnage helps a lot

[zealous moth]

true

i mean, sin would need a FAT buff for m+ if they removed icc

bc probly half the players wouldn't be able to play it anymore

[vast patio]

Imagine they remove a bunch of stuff from outlaw and sin, but ret remains exactly the same.

[zealous moth]

but once you get used to rupturing manually it's just

[midnight mist]

idk waht you mean

[zealous moth]

a comfy talent, not even that important

[midnight mist]

people do competition on the most random games

fucking most osbscure speedrunning category

like

[vast patio]

Banned in zacs chat speedrun

[golden loom]

tryharding in games is fun

[midnight mist]

wow is quite competitive compared to most game lol

[zealous moth]

i mean

[royal lantern]

talking more about the weird "im stuck at 3,1k score because im not playing the current FotM" guys

[zealous moth]

there's esports, ratings, achievemtns for WF, HoF

[errant swallow]

I dreamt about assassination buffs

[vast patio]

Wow esports scene is sad.

[golden loom]

I play to get the lil numbers on warcraft logs dot com to go up

[zealous moth]

that incentivises a lot of competition

[marsh fjord]

Numbers you say?

[earnest remnant]

i play to raid with the bois

[zealous moth]

you guys remember my 5 parse on M Plexus

i got it up

8:12 kill timer on a pug

[cunning needle]

[zealous moth]

almost hit the enrage

[royal lantern]

mf plays around the double heroism

[zealous moth]

lust prepull lets gooo

[severe meadow]

are you pugging these or what's up

[zealous moth]

yeah

tried pugging first 2

[winged sun]

He’s microwaved as always zac

Why are u trying

?

[zealous moth]

idiots couldn't even hit soulbinder tubes with the orbs

i don't know how they could make these fights easier than they already are

pugs are just built different (braindead)

[vast patio]

Make them undermine bosses

(Except the two)

[zealous moth]

bro fucking

mugzee

was INSANE

progging that boss was SO FUN

killing it felt so good

[vast patio]

We unironically struggled more with locken than anyone else

[zealous moth]

yeah

that's bc people can't tell left from right

[vast patio]

Mugzee went down waaaay faster

[royal lantern]

most good players are not pugging mythic because they play with their team

so you are kinda doing it with rat alts or people that want loot without looking stuff up

and we are still so early that rat alts cant hard carry the fights with gear bruteforcing

[zealous moth]

true

[vast patio]

Our mugzee strat sucked for parsing but it got results I guess.

Legit only killed one of the drones waves lmao

[golden loom]

well the drones got removed from logs

[vast patio]

See I didn't know that

[zealous moth]

Wish they had done the same with rik barrels

[earnest remnant]

to me this will always be funny

[zealous moth]

That way ranged would have had an excuse to ignore them

[earnest remnant]

what an endboss

[viscid spear]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[royal lantern]

i still think that they had an another phase for that boss during internal testing

didnt get it to work, and just removed it

[zealous moth]

Sorry i will always be salty about richar reverberations

[vast patio]

Mugzee was the true final boss of undermine

[zealous moth]

Forcing me to go sub bc 13 other players couldn't be bothered to do barrels

[viscid spear]

Dick Vibrations was a fun time, ngl

[spice surge]

Richard had some banger lines

[vast patio]

Worst fight in the raid is Stix >.>

[spice surge]

Official hypeman is a good title

[vast patio]

Locken was harder but fuck stix

I hate random assignment "fuck you, you wipe" mechanics.

[severe meadow]

I had to take a break in s2, I really disliked the raid

[royal lantern]

stix felt bad cus everyone had to do mechanics randomly assinged

aka the bane of most guilds

[humble verge]

man, even with constant chainpulls i was still topping
but then tank somehow ninjapulls miniboss before last boss with patrol and right side

[royal lantern]

[humble verge]

[haughty flicker]

sprocketman was ass because i'd just randomly die to someone else fucking up and have to sit there watching the pull go on for two more minutes

[humble verge]

and we wipe

[haughty flicker]

but i have a special hatred for stix

that cannot be beaten

[zealous moth]

I will never be able to erase the "RIKA RIKA RIKA RIK REVERB HERE TIME TO GET DOWN" from my head

[humble verge]

im boosting sprocket tomorrow

[vast patio]

...why

[zealous moth]

Lmao

[humble verge]

people pay for transmog runs

[zealous moth]

Guys im progging m rashnan any tips

[vast patio]

...

[vast patio]

Jump off the edge to dodge the acid

[viscid spear]

PARTY FOUL IN THE BACK

[humble verge]

was this one of his voicelines?

[zealous moth]

yeah

[spice surge]

yes

[humble verge]

[zealous moth]

on pull and when he dropped amp

[humble verge]

i have turned down dialog

[midnight mist]

you guys play with voice

[humble verge]

so i cant really hear it anyways

[viscid spear]

You just blot it out

[midnight mist]

thats crazy

[humble verge]

zac here

just blasting music

fr*nch music

while he does his keys

smh

[midnight mist]

I barely hear my raid leader

you guys actually playing with ingame voice

[humble verge]

thats how its supposed to be tho

[midnight mist]

i cant

[vast patio]

Zac can't hear peepee shaker over the obnoxiously loud phonk

[humble verge]

if u hear your raid lead

[loud yew]

Hello! Got a question about the bugs in assassination spec, did they got fixed anyhow? I mean, i still see some of them, like sudden demise not proc'ing

[humble verge]

somethings wrong

[viscid spear]

"Gallwix is gonna FLIP when he sees this"

[zealous moth]

how else am i supposed to know when i have something on cd if i can't hear my dude say I CAN'T DO THAT YET

[loud yew]

thanks!

[midnight mist]

??

[zealous moth]

that only happens in overworld tho

[midnight mist]

your guy says that

thats cfrazy

[zealous moth]

yeah

it's not like i can see my cds, i play with ui turned off

[vast patio]

I like how the raids have special death effects

[zealous moth]

100% sound cues

[vast patio]

Like how falling off for lock has that torrent of blood, and dimensius just vaporizes your ass.

[zealous moth]

i like how if you release too fast on dimensius you die again

small indie company

[winged sun]

In raid? Rly

Maybe i should do the same to giga focus no cappy cippy cop

[sleek night]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[severe meadow]

Same but mostly because I haven’t had to do fuck all this tier

Especially on hunters and Fract

I just shadowstep in and go to my little cuck corner on Fract

[oak tangle]

does turbo boost unlock trinekts in the same way as vault for myth raid?

aka, does soulbinder unlock loom trinkets

[marsh fjord]

You need to kill the boss

to get the trinkets

[oak tangle]

aight

time to reprog plexus again

[marsh fjord]

So if you have killed frac and but not soul hunters

you cant get a chip to get the boots

[oak tangle]

raid kills are account wide, but resilient is character wide?

[midnight mist]

Raid kills are char wide

[oak tangle]

hmmm ok

i was newb last tier, only did heroic

[viscid spear]

[severe meadow]

It doesn’t follow vault rules?

[marsh fjord]

nope

[severe meadow]

Weird

Surely prism will drop before then

[winter stirrup]

On HOA, is it better to take anti-heal poison for miniboss or it's big damage lose ?

[severe meadow]

Swap to anti, and then swap back after

[winter stirrup]

so it's better to swap ?

[severe meadow]

Yeah

[winter stirrup]

@quasi pine u see

[nocturne quail]

And take the improved wound talent poison

[zealous moth]

if you want to be really cheeky

[marsh fjord]

If you have a hunter in your group

let the hunter do it

[zealous moth]

you can swap to wound 5seconds before the heal

[marsh fjord]

Its different because it requires you to kill the boss

and the vault doesnt do that

[severe meadow]

Fair, just figured blizzard would keep to the same pattern

But it’s blizzard

[solid canopy]

Is there a way to sim turboboost gear?

8/8

[marsh fjord]

No. since the patch is not out yet

So it's not included in the raidbots update yet

[solid canopy]

gotcha

[marsh fjord]

But the sim won't show much difference

its just 6 items levels op top of the items

so my mythic netherprism is now 1.2% upgrade

it will prob go to 1.7% ish

[viscid spear]

Yeah, this isn't causing a shakeup in what's best, it's just making the best better typically

I have to suffer a full set of 12s though, idk if I really want to suffer that when this is the last major patch and Legion Remix is right around the corner

[marsh fjord]

What i would suggest is capping all your crest ( also the lower ones) if you want to be a degen. and turn them for gilded when its 17 oct

[zealous moth]

isn't it the same? bc the H prism also gains more ilvl?

[marsh fjord]

More item level is more main stat

that it gives

Or what do you mean

[zealous moth]

yeah but H prism also gains more main stat

[marsh fjord]

Yeah. but i got H prism already

[zealous moth]

i feel like an upgrade difference of ~50% is a bit too much

[marsh fjord]

and mythic right now is 1.2% upgrade for me

with 6 more item levels it will be a bit more

how much exactly we dont know

but around the 1.7 im sure

[zealous moth]

makes sense

[marsh fjord]

And im killing frac mythic on this reset

So im set already if i dont get it from the loot

[quasi pine]

[severe meadow]

Myth + Turbo will be 729?

[marsh fjord]

yes

2 tracks

[marsh fjord]

oh you can do that

[severe meadow]

das for me tho

[marsh fjord]

wait let me ping the person

[zealous moth]

me

[severe meadow]

I mean yeah, you can manually put in ilvls

[marsh fjord]

@solid canopy

You can

1.9%

HOLY MOLY

what do you ahve in your slots?

[zealous moth]

2% upgrade LETS GOOO

[severe meadow]

710 prism

[marsh fjord]

yeah same

and a mythic atenna

[solid canopy]

How did he do that? Im way to dumb

haha

[marsh fjord]

You can put manual item levels in raidbots

[severe meadow]

I just went there and did a quick sim

[marsh fjord]

Jay you are a blessing bro

[solid canopy]

holy moly, thats smart. Thx for the help

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/besito-catlove-gif-12186015021689896619

[severe meadow]

[mystic dust]

I have a question regarding DM, if you reapply garrote/rapture after DM does it mess up your DM or is it ok to do it? I sometimes forget to reapply before DM and wasn t sure if it matters. Thx

[haughty flicker]

It do be ok

Don't force trying to refresh bleeds before dm

Although if you get raptured before pressing dm that could change things

[zealous moth]

the only thing that really matters is improved garrote for dungeons

so ideally in that case you reapply it with <2s remaining

or vanish and garrote after deathmark

[neat rain]

looking for the daily "Is [Many passive] fixed yet?" to get my daily chuckle

[humble verge]

"bugs fixed?"

[wraith kettle]

Hey, what are the best trinkets for m+?

[normal mist]

a passive and a 2min active or prism

[wraith kettle]

with my gear, simms recommend me antenna and signet 717, but im getting better numbers with prism 710

[zealous moth]

are you simming on dungeon slice?

[nova gust]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[oak tangle]

if this happens you dont have to think about much

only the sins you've committed in life

[marsh fjord]

I thought bel was talking about rupture in game but then i googled it

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-13148928981517710530

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/rapture-rapture-me-now-lord-gif-12763495

[night lantern]

Hey everyone 👋 Struggling with the bleed build during mythic+ during the trash packs I seem to do fine, I've gotten up to 15-20m DPS during some pulls. However, once the boss hits and it's time to kill a single target, I drop tk an abysmal 1-2m DPS. I'm sitting around 701-ish item level and I have my 4 piece. Any best guesses for what I'm doing wrong here?

[oak tangle]

your tank isn't pulling adds onto boss

[manic quartz]

Nothing

[severe meadow]

Our ST sucks, either have the tank pull a pack into boss or suffer

[night lantern]

Man, that feels so bad 😭☠️

[severe meadow]

You will likely have some optimizations on your rotation but nothing major to make it much better

[oak tangle]

it feels great with a good tank

[night lantern]

We're able to push 10s pretty normally, we're starting to tease into 11s and up. I also usually tank and assassination is kind of my off spec, so I guess as a tank I should be pulling adds to the boss then eh ☠️😂

[oak tangle]

arcane / assass / dh

[main bridge]

1-2 million sounds pretty low. Is this with cooldowns?

[oak tangle]

all pop off if you pull onto bosses

[severe meadow]

1-2m is kinda low tho, yeah

[night lantern]

Yeah, I know I kind of suck at using shiv but yeah popping CDs and trinkets

[unborn rain]

shiv is a huge part of damage in dm

windows on st

[main bridge]

Yeah if you aren’t using shiv properly your damage is going to be bad everywhere

[night lantern]

Shiv is going to be pool energy, shiv, envenom dump during the debuff yeah?

[oak tangle]

it's more the bleeds

[night lantern]

How so?

[oak tangle]

look what shiv does, and why we call it the bleed build

[tropic jewel]

I dont know why but got a feeling that the Bugs will Star untill Midnight

[unborn rain]

u dont pool energy

[oak tangle]

shiv at least to not cap charges, and try and use it with amps, so in st,m that's during deathmark, and below 35%

[unborn rain]

i hope we get some traps

in midnight

give us death trap

[oak tangle]

i want something like the arms warrior, stacking execute damage that gets consumed once they get to low hp

[unborn rain]

ngl that would be cool

[oak tangle]

give me more "assassination" stuff

[unborn rain]

yeah

give bleeds to outlul and let us be mostly poison dmg

[oak tangle]

or a bleed version of kb, could be interesting

for keys specifically

[unborn rain]

i feel we had that at one point

something that made bleeds tick faster but it wasnt dm

[oak tangle]

yeah, that was exsanguinate

[unborn rain]

yeah that

[oak tangle]

general concensus was no to exsang tho

had snapshotting and weird rules around tuning

imagine like a bleed collapse from surrounding targets into a prio mob

might be too much funnel lol

all we'll actually get is 2 of the 3 tier sets as our new talents, class and hero

[marsh fjord]

I genuinely think that blizzard is trying to reduce everything and make things way more simpler. If you look at the past iterations of Assa.

[oak tangle]

it feels more in depth than BFA

[lunar pond]

We have something kinda of like it and it’s fucking awful lol

[marsh fjord]

Beside the bugs I actually enjoy this iteration of Assa but I do hear from people that a few expansions ago there was way more to it then it is now

[haughty flicker]

Fatal intent

[oak tangle]

yeh

sadness

[lunar pond]

Stack for 10 years and enough damage to kill a critter

[oak tangle]

if it wasn't a hero talent thing it might be useable

i just want capstone choice nodes

is probably more what i would say

[unborn rain]

fatal intent would have been a great talent in 2009

[marsh fjord]

I wonder if alpha comes next week there is changes to our tree. i don

think so

but who knows

[unborn rain]

when white hits were still top dmg in ur breakdown

[lunar pond]

It really should have been some ramp like effect that actually did damage the longer you stayed on a target and along with execute range interaction. Could have made ST more bearable in keys for bleed as well

[oak tangle]

"per combo point spent on attacks against the target"

[lunar pond]

With out a singular point for payoff but consistent damage ramp

Idr the tooltip

In the end .1% of a parse for 5 minutes so relatively useless

[oak tangle]

first deathmark after 35% health lasts for # more seconds per x cp spent on bleeds against target

[marsh fjord]

That would be giga OP

[oak tangle]

probs incentivise rupture spam

not a great thing

you could make it a choice node with DTB or KB

[marsh fjord]

This is how much combo points i got

before execute

XD

on mythic loom

[haughty flicker]

Speaking of kb

[oak tangle]

yeah but like it's no 1 to 1

1 s per 7 cp etc

would be the balance angle

[haughty flicker]

I stg if our apex talents revolve around kb I riot

[marsh fjord]

What would you want the apex talents to be

[haughty flicker]

0 clue just not kb

Because then rip bleed

[marsh fjord]

Yeah means we go back to hybrid

if thats the case

[oak tangle]

what if the apex talent is kb is now a bleed

[unborn rain]

bleed or poisons are getting got in midnight

[marsh fjord]

They said every apex talent is gonna be a must take in a interview

so im really curious

but gonna be a while before we gonna see them

[floral igloo]

how do you guys get your caustic to be more damage than other spells?

[coral ibex]

monkey paw curls

[balmy condor]

Monkey paw, 3 apex talents for envenom

[floral igloo]

i keep my uptime up alot

[unborn rain]

new apex talent hunger for blood

[coral ibex]

you are forced to select apex talents

"they're a must take"

🙂

[marsh fjord]

More envenoms

[haughty flicker]

[marsh fjord]

more uptime

[unborn rain]

new bleed style inquisition buff

[oak tangle]

rogue apex talent - "poisons now have no duration and no longer need to be applied"

[marsh fjord]

i would howl

[coral ibex]

1 talent point per extra envenom overlap

[marsh fjord]

if that would be the case

[lunar pond]

One is Shiv, One is Tea and the other is a Minigame

[coral ibex]

5x envenom overlap!!!

[unborn rain]

loll

[coral ibex]

[keen spruce]

One gives back snd

[balmy condor]

Envenom can now stack to infinity and poisons can also stack and actually we lost the plot on envenom’s buff uptime after legion and it kind of just exists now but we got no clue just enjoy green eviscerate doing 40% of your damage please

[marsh fjord]

Phase 4 is prob gonna be close to new years

mabye a bit closer

[oak tangle]

i wonder how absolutely off chops this discord would go if we went back to having to maintain SND with it's actual button

[golden loom]

Apex talent slice and dice

[marsh fjord]

oh

it actually says

[oak tangle]

yo i actually just cooked

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/bongo-cat-rogue-gif-24661232

[marsh fjord]

Oct 23

we know what ours gonna be

[runic hinge]

new apex talent

[coral ibex]

they should dramatically reduce energy regen so we actually play around envenom uptime again

bring me back

[unborn rain]

no

[unborn rain]

it is 2025 we go fast now

[oak tangle]

SND gains a stacking buff per melee attack while not on the player. after activating snd the player rapidly pokes it's target letting lose all stored stacks as attacks

[unborn rain]

dear realz,

[oak tangle]

press kb into snd

ez

50 stacks insta

[marsh fjord]

uncap KB

[golden loom]

Apex talent:
Carnage now also affects deathmark

[runic hinge]

ONE EXSANGUNATE PLEASE

[oak tangle]

kb now drains your energy every second, but has infinite stacks, will end once your energy hits 0

oh wait we had that

[haughty flicker]

[marsh fjord]

I can already tell,

Its oct 23, @balmy condor wakes up, get out of bed. gets a monster, get a water, brush his teeth, turns on his PC. logs into midnight alpha. sees our new apex talents and the first thing he says:

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY DOGSHIT

[oak tangle]

Hiya, this is absolute dogshit*

[haughty flicker]

Apex talents will bang

[balmy condor]

I actually have a really long record of being positive about new stuff

[haughty flicker]

Trust

[balmy condor]

But then they don’t get iterated on even a little

And so the cracks form

[marsh fjord]

I just love your rants bro. it's actually really insightful

[balmy condor]

And it just kinda falls apart because of small things

[marsh fjord]

3 Weeks and we know

[cloud pike]

All I’m hearing is we need Whispyr to be hyper critical of new stuff from now on, to break the cycle

[oak tangle]

i know peeps may disagree, but i want more to do on ST

[drifting cloud]

guys whispyr is already plying alpha dont make him have to act it up anymore in here!

[oak tangle]

also wouldn't mind normalising our dot timers

[marsh fjord]

What do you mean with normalising

[balmy condor]

But like going back I don’t think I’ve been overly negative on anything released in the last like 3 expansions outside of saying the s1/s2 tier sets are super boring

[oak tangle]

like, garrote being more in line with a higher cp rupture etc

[marsh fjord]

Nah i did not mean it in a way that you are overly negative because you are not. i just love your rants about certain stuff

[golden loom]

Lower dot durations bigger damage

[haughty flicker]

Casting dots with higher cp actually lowers duration

[lunar pond]

Less envenoming then

[haughty flicker]

[marsh fjord]

We are also getting 3 more points in the class tree. mabye we can go overcharged all the time now

[oak tangle]

WAT

[unborn rain]

loll

[marsh fjord]

?

[unborn rain]

10 combo point cap?

[oak tangle]

without a trace

[haughty flicker]

I don't think you'd take that in st even with 3 more points

[oak tangle]

i wonder if it will mean we take wat, and go MA build again

[marsh fjord]

One extra vanish charge so we can flip more coins

[haughty flicker]

Actually real

[balmy condor]

You take cold blood

[haughty flicker]

Ye that's what I figured

[lunar pond]

Which is boring

[marsh fjord]

But we already do on FB.

[golden loom]

Coldblood is going away with midnight

[normal mist]

for hotblood

[oak tangle]

actually yeet it

just make sectec guranteed crit

[hexed frost]

!bugs

[spice surge]

This thing is really good if they just fix this small little part about it
Then it just never gets fixed for 2 years

[oak tangle]

it already is used that way

[balmy condor]

Yeh except it doesn’t do anything on deathstalker and you can’t macro it

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

Yeah and then I complain that it doesn’t get fixed and I’m big Mr angry rude negativity all the time

[marsh fjord]

but wouldnt it mean we do this on FB with 3 extra points?

[oak tangle]

make thistle coffee, and instead of mastery it gives crit

[golden loom]

Coldblood ambush garrote rupture opener pog

[balmy condor]

Correct

[haughty flicker]

I'm taking shadowheart with my points

[spice surge]

The cynic in me is convinced more than half of the tiersets from this tier are going to end up as part of the new talents in the hero talent trees

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/shadowheart-baldurs-gate3-bg3-gif-19588257

[marsh fjord]

You have a little crush on shadowheart bel?

[haughty flicker]

I absolutely believe this

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t actually mind that, the s3 sets for assa are cool and epic

[haughty flicker]

Some tier set bonuses i wouldn't mind

[marsh fjord]

Whats the coolest tier set bonus of all time for assa

[haughty flicker]

But it does feel like they'll just copy paste that shit as much as they can

Also they'll copy paste fb tier set and still never fix it