For weapon enchants we want X2 councils guile most of the time ?
#assassination
sleek spear
severe meadow
A bit of a sim question but one of the secondary enchants yeah
sleek spear
Thank you. Our Bis Dagger is the one from Mythic Loom right ?
oak tangle
i get called out in raid soem times, cause i didn't have the stam enchant on my boots (i didn't have the soul hunters ones yet), i responded by saying, i'll enchant my boots when my stamina is teh reason we are wiping
oak tangle
1k stam when we have like 200k or something is wild to get antsy over
main bridge
oak tangle
scam messages are always sad
means most likely an innocent person getting sent to oblivion cause they got hacked
midnight scroll
Thank you. Our Bis Dagger is the one from Mythic Loom right ?
You wanna craft one dagger, then sim your off hands
but iirc off hand is very insignificant
unless you get a full myth main hand then you move crafted into off hand
oak tangle
You wanna craft one dagger, then sim your off hands
you'd probably use the crafted as the OH if you had mythic dagger
beat me to it
rigid fable
dumb question... what you guys do when orbs spawning araz? using fatebound? since you already used vanish? D:
stable apex
1k stam when we have like 200k or something is wild to get antsy over
why even gear your char
you are only 1/20th of your raid
irrelevant at that point
sleek spear
unless you get a full myth main hand then you move crafted into off hand
I just got a mythic mainland from our 1st Loomithar kill.
Going from 720 to 723 MH shows a 2% DPS increase for me which is really strange haha
Not sure if the Sims are correct
sleek spear
you'd probably use the crafted as the OH if you had mythic dagger
Oh yes that's the plan to shift crafted Dagger with embellishment to the OH.
sleek spear
why is that strange
Cause it's a 3 ilevel increase yet a 2% DPS increase which is huge for me
Didn't expect 720 to 723 to be so big for MH
spice surge
Presumably youve put your 720 in the offhand too
Because strictly 3 ilvls is not 2% alone , youve probably changed something else then on your sim
golden loom
720 -> 723 was 1.1% for me
sleek spear
Because strictly 3 ilvls is not 2% alone , youve probably changed something else...
The enchants changed to crit. From mastery
sleek spear
So total was 2% including the 723 MH
spice surge
Well yeah that makes sense if you have tons of mastery then
sleek spear
Well yeah that makes sense if you have tons of mastery then
Yeah Sims are encouraging me to stack more crit since I have alot of mastery. Since mostly using my sub gear
I'm happy I can use my sub gear for assas and still do well
Having the same set just feels great when switching specs depending on bosses
Guys honest question. Are we supposed to beat a equally geared Frost DK or Fury warrior ok a pure ST fight like Loom / Plexus?
main bridge
what does "supposed to" even mean? like you're comparing apples to oranges here. there are so many variables
stable apex
Guys honest question. Are we supposed to beat a equally geared Frost DK or Fury ...
dont compare to others. only compare to your last performance
sleek spear
dont compare to others. only compare to your last performance
I know. I just wanna see how we stand against other melee. Based on the current tuning
Because I feel that DKs can do so much damage with minimal effort. So it's either they are god tier DPS players or just overtuned lol
stable apex
well im sorry to say
but neither sin nor dk is super complex to play
dk has lower floor most likely
main bridge
Because I feel that DKs can do so much damage with minimal effort. So it's eithe...
i don't think it's one or the other. DK is easier IMO, but better players can do more with any spec
stable apex
but that is only because its the new shiny reworked specc and blizz wants ppl to play it
vestal granite
its like a standard 3 button spec and sometimes you press Empower Rune power as an off global
and most of the time you only use one of those three buttons
it is fun however
oak sparrow
!chainpulls
main bridge
frost DK owns. wish i was playing it from the beginning of S3
oak sparrow
!chainpull
prisma monolithBOT
Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:
- For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
- Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
- Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
- Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
- Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
- You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.
waxen oyster
rogue didnt go on twitter trying to make a tag to spam the devs with
royal lantern
frost DK owns. wish i was playing it from the beginning of S3
fuckin ret paladin
main bridge
huh
waxen oyster
https://x.com/mbdtf100/status/1956259253095948791?s=46
Imagine typing the 3rd sentence.
as a non larp
main bridge
what's that got to do with DK or me
royal lantern
frost dk is blue ret
main bridge
nah
i don't think most of the Dk community identifies with stuff like that any more than rogues do with the peanuts person
royal lantern
https://x.com/mbdtf100/status/1956259253095948791?s=46
Imagine typing the 3rd s...
i still think its so funny that when the entire thing happend, legit everyone just went "yeha, that kinda fits ret players"
like, not even suprised
coral ibex
#lightabandonedus
unborn rain
https://x.com/mbdtf100/status/1956259253095948791?s=46
Imagine typing the 3rd s...
we are the lights judgement
someone really wrote this out and hit send
waxen oyster
Yeah i mean idr if that guy specifically is doing a bit
aint no way someone writing like that with a straight face
quaint nimbus
coral ibex
oak tangle
They seem fine to me both on AOE and ST
this is the problem, they don't have to think beyond "press divine storm" to do this
real pike
logged in today to a fuckton of my settings reset anyone else had this?
marsh fjord
logged in today to a fuckton of my settings reset anyone else had this?
Its because you were a menace in the discord today so you got hacked
real pike
but I'm a menace in the discord every day
vestal granite
yo guys you wont believe it
I just joined a m+ key and people could play their rotation and do both boss mechanics?!?! like what are the chances
main bridge
you should probably buy a lottery ticket
vestal granite
nah I ll never get luckier than this
rigid fable
slow poison on orbs araz mythic work?
hallow glade
slow poison on orbs araz mythic work?
You may need to hit it with a direct attack (fan of knives) to apply it, not sure if caustic applies weapon poison, don’t think it does
royal lantern
or you just press FOK once
or you are on the fight in week 8, and the adds explode anyway
waxen oyster
Wait people’s araz adds live more than 2-3 seconds?
hallow glade
If you are progging araz on week 8 the adds may not be exploding so fast
Or he might just be curious
hallow glade
Lucky if I get one coup on those
coral ibex
685 dev doing nothing all key
and then we dont time it
and they kick me during the boss fight
and i get removed from the instance
main bridge
pug life 
analog field
i had one time where we killed last boss and i left group and we were missing like 5%
and then i got loot and vault for it
thorn thorn
@humble verge What is amazon trying to tell me
humble verge
<@191982482642436097> What is amazon trying to tell me
they want you to:
thorn thorn
they want you to:
You keep posting this gif and I dont understand it
humble verge
hes going mango
jolly stirrup
Just had a 98 Salad Bar HC Kill 
thorn thorn
hes going mango
Oh I get it now
winter vapor
for Araz, are we vanishing mark and kill first echo?
or does it matter if the mark is still on the boss while getting it down
coral ibex
you don’t play deathstalker on araz
coral ibex
you only play deathstalker on soulbinder and soul hunters
royal lantern
@balmy condor is the aoe pulsing from nexsus king at pull reduced by feint
earnest remnant
Yes it does
royal lantern
and im not sure if its because our healers suck HARD balls, or if feint doenst work
humble verge
idk
royal lantern
but appernatly its our healers
humble verge
ive never been told to do it on the pull
royal lantern
royal lantern
like, i drop down to 10% or proc CD WITH FEINT
coral ibex
the only time i had to feint on pull was when we had no dk or dh
bc we either used darkness or amz on the pull
wait are you 3 or 4 healing
we're 4 healing
earnest remnant
Fwiw tryan anything avoidance works on feint does as well so its quite easy to see if it does
royal lantern
Fwiw tryan anything avoidance works on feint does as well so its quite easy to s...
i was just not sure if feint didnt work cus i ALWAYS dropped so ridicolous low or straight up procced cheat death
and was like "bro, its a 40% dr, if im dropping so low all the time it shurely doesnt work right?"
earnest remnant
It fucks if healers arent cranking
It was the same with his cast at the end of p1 before. Nerfs
It 1 tapped me From 95%
If i did not feint it
humble verge
me when i dont get coup procs at the start of a pull
thorn thorn
and im not sure if its because our healers suck HARD balls, or if feint doenst w...
Its a healer afk check
humble verge
looks like someone NOW
want to maybe reclear next week
we couldve recleared this week but
decided to extend
thorn thorn
me when i dont get coup procs at the start of a pull
He is gonna go mango
quaint spindle
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
humble verge
He is gonna go mango
marsh fjord
I did that for wrath classic for BL
humble verge
for 40 seconds
i did have another one
back some months in undermine
but i only used it for reclears
quaint spindle
Anyone know the hard crit/mastery cap if there is one
marsh fjord
Anyone know the hard crit/mastery cap if there is one
There isnt, just follow the robot
quaint spindle
Aye aye
humble verge
the dr is at 21k tho :(
random lily
Do I have to use trinket after I put up all my dots or before?
brisk forge
After
random lily
ty 🙂
royal lantern
you macro with cds
midnight scroll
how badly am i gonna suffer if i start playing sub with gear that i use for sin?
until i get actual sub gear
faint quartz
What are the main differences between Jundies plater and Whispyr's edit?
runic hinge
What are the main differences between Jundies plater and Whispyr's edit?
whispyrs cuts down in the debuffs you see for assa, so you're not tracking like deadly poison and other useless info, and it also changes the nameplate color for DSM and caustic and for both
tropic comet
worth to craft 2nd weapon as 3rd item or not ?
coral ibex
no
tropic comet
what to craft as 3rd item
coral ibex
probably neck or ring or waist
tropic comet
off hand is lowest, rest i 710 ( maks hero track)
bitter wasp
Hello guys, new rogue here. Where can I find the weakaura for the envenom duration and pandemic tick (with twist the knife)? I am looking for the one that is an icon with 2 vertical green bars.
red schooner
Hello guys, new rogue here. Where can I find the weakaura for the envenom durati...
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
red schooner
The whispyr one has that
nova kelp
Whispyrs is the one with the 2 green bars
But.
You don't have to play around an "envenom pandemic"
gloomy heart
bitter wasp
You don't have to play around an "envenom pandemic"
I use the Luxthos's WA and it only shows the longest envenom and the number of stacks. So I do not need more information than that to execute the rotation properly?
nova kelp
I use the Luxthos's WA and it only shows the longest envenom and the number of s...
Well need? No. But what you like to see is what you like to see. Whispyrs WA is very good. I use lux's often now too. Although I also make some edits to it to make some things really clear to me.
Either way playing around twist isn't necessary by any degree. So just press your buttons.
bitter wasp
Ok, thank you so much!
red schooner
Well need? No. But what you like to see is what you like to see. Whispyrs WA is ...
Can confirm. Don't over think this spec, just hit buttons
random lily
Does Assa have no AOE in Raid?
nova kelp
It can have decent cleave.
main bridge
why would raid make any difference?
the bigger problem is anything living long enough for you to deal damage
nova kelp
Yeah that's a better question really. Like when you ask what are you asking in regards to? Lol
frail vault
Is it normal to never have energy in single target. Feels like I’m starving for energy during boss fights in m+
red schooner
Is it normal to never have energy in single target. Feels like I’m starving for ...
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.
Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.
red schooner
Is there a list of commands I can see?
You only need the most important one
nova kelp
That's actually... Is there?
red schooner
!richard
prisma monolithBOT
nova kelp
Lol
red schooner
We need a moth one for loom web convo
main bridge
Is there a list of commands I can see?
!help if you like
nova kelp
Lol it's all just Rik barrels. It always has been
red schooner
Lol it's all just Rik barrels. It always has been
Just !spreadcleave
Then it'll work for any season
nova kelp
Once upon a time we had DOTS
Gods we were good at spread cleave
Now we got... "dots"
thorn thorn
nova kelp
The loom convo is more doom mind
thorn thorn
Fatebound gaming
nova kelp
Coz now you got people like "I'll just go sub for the looms
"at least I can send a dance on the looms"
red schooner
Coz now you got people like "I'll just go sub for the looms
I just did my usual tactic. Hard swap for 3 pulls, show log to raid leader, get told to hit boss
nova kelp
Wildly underrated method tbh. Except for that one guy who linked this logs with like warlocks and hunters doing less loom damage than tanks...
I nearly became a warrior that day... I was so enraged
violet talon
Yeah a lot of RL just panic the moment something doesn't die on cue and default to "everyone hard swap" as a strategy
nova kelp
I'm just like "hey... Man... You think I WOULDNT want to blast the Gally adds for tons of pad if I could?! Bro"
Think your accusations through cuz
thorn thorn
A lot of complaints in this discord would vanish if RL actually did any amount of research on the specs in their team
nova kelp
Actually big true
red schooner
My RL thankfully trusts me to not do unethical things for parses.
nova kelp
But a lot of people have an auto assumption that people are lazy
Even when you can't parse that expectation out
red schooner
I just occasionally need a log to go, 'yup, still bad target swap'
thorn thorn
I assume all RLs are lazy/dumb and very rarely am proven wrong
nova kelp
I just occasionally need a log to go, 'yup, still bad target swap'
I do this lol
thorn thorn
Being a RL gave me a new found hatred for clueless RL
nova kelp
My rl knows. On the day we get good at target switching I'll let them know
thorn thorn
My rl knows. On the day we get good at target switching I'll let them know
When rets admit closing the discord was stupid
(never)
red schooner
The ret in my guild thinks it worked 
nova kelp
Rofl our ret thinks it's super stupid lol
red schooner
Rofl our ret thinks it's super stupid lol
Can we trade?
nova kelp
But he was also like 50% hunter
red schooner
My ret also said the hybrid tax is still a thing
nova kelp
Jesus
thorn thorn
nova kelp
Hahahahahaha
red schooner
The mans not even cooked, he's burnt to a crisp
red schooner
He is showing his age
He's like 26
thorn thorn
nova kelp
That's real life cult indoctrination
red schooner
He plays ret
nova kelp
Wtf...
red schooner
So. Yes.
red schooner
Did hybrid tax even exist inside the gaming part of his life?
Probably not
nova kelp
I feel like it would just be myth and legend to him
Unless hes one of those peeps that were like conned into farming mats by their classic Andy dad
thorn thorn
Im going to assume thats the case
tidal hatch
do u guys use mouseovers for bleeds in m+
humble verge
nova kelp
do u guys use mouseovers for bleeds in m+
I DOOO... But it's 100% not necessary
random lily
Do we have to use Shiv before DM as fatebound also or only deathstalker?
red schooner
do u guys use mouseovers for bleeds in m+
I don't because I'm not a big m+ person but its a slight optimisation.
!carnage
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
thorn thorn
I do because I use mouseover everything
nova kelp
Do we have to use Shiv before DM as fatebound also or only deathstalker?
You do it as FB. NOT as ds
red schooner
Do we have to use Shiv before DM as fatebound also or only deathstalker?
FB: shiv deathmark kingsbane.
DS: deathmark shiv kingsbane
tidal hatch
im learning the spec and my friend who plays it at a higher level than i do says im trolling by not using mouseovers because im losing caustic damage by tab targetting
nova kelp
Losing caustic?
red schooner
In both cases you'd reapply shiv as the first one expires
nova kelp
No
spice surge
Technically youre losing a small amount yes, but its kinda irrelevant
The more relevant bit is that its easy to lose your target
And not being able to find it again
spice surge
But yeah losing poisons from 3 auto attacks is kinda whatever
nova kelp
And lose like such an insanely small amount
random lily
In both cases you'd reapply shiv as the first one expires
Ohh, I don't wait for the last 8 secs of Kings Bane?
tidal hatch
But you can also just NOT switch at all
just slam rupture and garrote into the main target to spread it?
red schooner
Ohh, I don't wait for the last 8 secs of Kings Bane?
Nope. Cover your deathmark. Though for the solo KB, then yeah, last 8
tidal hatch
riley reid meme
arctic pivot
Dungeon slice accurate for assa?
normal mist
yes
red schooner
Dungeon slice accurate for assa?
Ye
nova kelp
just slam rupture and garrote into the main target to spread it?
You can yeah
random lily
Nope. Cover your deathmark. Though for the solo KB, then yeah, last 8
Damn, thank you
spice surge
Your kingsbane is maxxed after a few seconds anyway
during deathmark
So you gain nothing by delaying, you only lose
nova kelp
Give it to the feral and just forget it exists
random lily
kB didn't have cap back then or what?
spice surge
It did, just twice as big
nova kelp
You just had to think a little bit
thorn thorn
Bro... I want juicy kB back.
I do too
tidal hatch
But I'd then have to be nice to the priests
as a refugee until blizzard fixes discipline, i dont need u to be nice
i just need to get paid
nova kelp
Sin atm is kinda auto pilot
red schooner
I think assa should be more based around bleeds
Please yes
thorn thorn
dots in general
spice surge
Big envenoms is just green sub
red schooner
I wanna be a dot spec
thorn thorn
KB is a dot
tidal hatch
what happened to exsanguinate
thorn thorn
Kill
tidal hatch
F
red schooner
what happened to exsanguinate
My beloved
nova kelp
We don't talk about exsanguinate
red schooner
nova kelp
You'll hurt the math nerds
thorn thorn
Big envenoms is just green sub
We are sub in a trench coat
red schooner
clever sparrow
is crafting shoulder dumb?
thorn thorn
Do it remove your 4pc
clever sparrow
Do it remove your 4pc
im not using set shoulders
stats are shit tbh
and the only good shoulder drops from raid
clever sparrow
Tons of good shoulders
im not lucky enough to get them from vault
nova kelp
Like... Literally any of them
clever sparrow
also i need vers mastery one
clever sparrow
Wait are you sub?
swapping back and forth
so yes
i need vers
i already
have ALOT of other stats
nova kelp
Ehhhhh I guess then sure
nova kelp
Don't worry about sin
clever sparrow
nova kelp
But yeah flexing into sub does kinda push you into it a bit
Jesus. I don't ever think about stats that hard on sin
clever sparrow
Jesus. I don't ever think about stats that hard on sin
same xd
i just use whatever i get
and ...
nova kelp
The concept of stat breakpoints is like non existent to me lol
clever sparrow
i get alot of items
clever sparrow
The concept of stat breakpoints is like non existent to me lol
i dont even know what it is xd
im just using that for speed! (CAUSE SPEED IS RARE)
clever sparrow
I've been doing the whispyr method of crafting without missives for a good while
Lmao
saving 800 g each craft
if you craft 3
thats 1 raid night of consumables 😄
THATS BUSINESS !
waxen oyster
sin doesnt really care about its offpiece
having loom shoulder for sub is nice though
nova kelp
Crafting shoulders isn't TERRIBLE I guess if you have the spare crests etc
I just can't get my hands on ANY myth pants...
clever sparrow
having loom shoulder for sub is nice though
yeah i have loom shoulders on hero
im thinking a way to get more stats xd
clever sparrow
nova kelp
Naaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
clever sparrow
xd
nova kelp
Just stick with the 710s for a while imo
waxen oyster
i got full 723 myth tier
clever sparrow
its on sub thats why its 102%
clever sparrow
i got full 723 myth tier
SHEEESH 😄
nova kelp
I mean its ok at this point if you NEED to. But like
clever sparrow
im sad 😄
nova kelp
It's not worth at this stage if you have other bits to upgrade
nova kelp
I wouldn't craft 60 crests into shoulders if you don't need to though
waxen oyster
i mean im 717.3
clever sparrow
I wouldn't craft 60 crests into shoulders if you don't need to though
make sense
60 is a lot tho
waxen oyster
but theres people 719
nova kelp
Even once the boost is up. Just upgrade other things
severe meadow
i feels like spending those crests on netherprism
Nether is fine
It’s so strong it works out
clever sparrow
I still have 2 sparks
i wasted 1 to get ring
(crit mastery) so i have better feeling while playing FB raid
clever sparrow
wait
waxen oyster
my logic gate alpha been base myth ilvl for 3 weeks
clever sparrow
will they drop the cost?
clever sparrow
my logic gate alpha been base myth ilvl for 3 weeks
4 more weeks to go xd
nova kelp
I just can't get myth legs. I have 2 cata. But no myth track let's to use it on. And this WHOLE tier our raid has had a single zenith drop lol
waxen oyster
i lucked out and loom wep and legs same kill
nova kelp
At this stage I think I might actually dinar my tier legs rofl
clever sparrow
I just can't get myth legs. I have 2 cata. But no myth track let's to use it on....
B)
nova kelp
Like legs plexus ring and idk... A sub neck
waxen oyster
sub neck is prob craft angle
clever sparrow
Loom didn't even drop a dagger till this week
i havent seen loom's dagger / shoulder / trinket yet
xd
nova kelp
My vaults have been insane. Just raid drops are weird asf
nova kelp
Lol the healing on that ring legit cranks
clever sparrow
as i know cosmic = all types of dmg
waxen oyster
+having one heavy haste neck or ring makes swapping to sub easier
midnight atlas
arcane holy nature shadow
clever sparrow
youre right thats why DH were dealing all types lol
clever sparrow
arcane holy nature shadow
arcane too didnt know that
waxen oyster
dh got their chaos damage talent removed though
nova kelp
I remember when they tried to streamline all this shit. And it was just like "magic" "not magic"
nova kelp
Then along came sub with dark brew like "I hit you physically with magic"
And suddenly everything got weird again
waxen oyster
I mean then theres the melee
with x strike damage
that is magic and phys
ret with radiant that is holy and fire
nova kelp
See but that was one of the easy specs for a bit
It was all phys except for their "ranged skills"
But after a bit it got weird again
nova kelp
Now days it's like... "Is monk touch good for you?"
"BRO I DONT FUCKING KNOW"
nova kelp
The warrior in you raid group just made sad noises
marsh fjord
We killed araz for the first time today.
and our kill was so doomed
every cooldown was faster and i needed to think about my cooldowns constantly
nova kelp
Hey bro. A kill is a kill. Now go stab the loot pinata and get a prism
marsh fjord
then suddenly we lusted on second pylons set
Just dissapointed. it can be way better
nova kelp
Yeah I can't get a good araz parse to save my life
clever sparrow
it 80 and you say its doomed?
nova kelp
Any time I do well we destroy the pull
marsh fjord
it 80 and you say its doomed?
yeah should be orange log.
clever sparrow
lol
nova kelp
it 80 and you say its doomed?
Don't pay attention. Anyone who links logs in here is like orange or nothing. Purple is good. Better than good technically
clever sparrow
Don't pay attention. Anyone who links logs in here is like orange or nothing. Pu...
😭
i felt like shit tbh
its better
LOOOK!
I TRIED MY BEST
buoyant herald
Don't pay attention. Anyone who links logs in here is like orange or nothing. Pu...
This is a class discord classic
clever sparrow
STILL SUCKS
buoyant herald
People love to link a 95 parse and ask for help and I’m not convinced they’re not just humble bragging lol
nova kelp
This is fine. Especially when you're chasing the big bois
strange onyx
I killed Fractilius on farm last week without amplifying poison
nova kelp
It's hard to parse well when your raid status is slightly behind the 8 ball
strange onyx
Duality of man
nova kelp
Your gear isn't quite there with the people you're parsing against. They're all on solid reclears. Etc etc
clever sparrow
Duality of man
4? did you paid for boost? xd
nova kelp
This isn't a good environment to feel good about your parse
kind dome
4? did you paid for boost? xd
that's ilvl parse no?
clever sparrow
OHHH
strange onyx
4? did you paid for boost? xd
No amplifying poison on my wep 🤭
clever sparrow
No amplifying poison on my wep 🤭
THATS A BOOST 😂
strange onyx
@marsh fjord so don’t feel bad
clever sparrow
<@308691441910153230> so don’t feel bad
AYO
strange onyx
One day you good, other you forget amp
nova kelp
Fuck the stealth shit
waxen oyster
idk i need to kill plexus again
clever sparrow
its so sht that ONLY AMBUSH applies it
strange onyx
I just use my normal mode araz on soul
sacred cedar
why do people call it sin rogue anyway
ive never heard of people calling subtlety tlety rogue
main bridge
sounds better than "ass rogue"
coral ibex
assassination rogue
sacred cedar
or tribution paladin
tidal hatch
what happened to my weakaura waifu why has she been replaced by the Arbiter
buoyant pilot
severe meadow
People love to link a 95 parse and ask for help and I’m not convinced they’re no...
Lock in
buoyant herald
I’m only 3/8M so no comment 😅
nova kelp
We're currently being farmed by myth shunters so I look forward to my hopefully green prog parse
coral ibex
We're currently being farmed by myth shunters so I look forward to my hopefully ...
another "wait for my ranged to play the game right" fight
maiden sierra
mythic saladbar is making me wanna off myself
nova kelp
The fight is just an exercise in "err on the side of fear. Fear is good"
maiden sierra
granted half of the pain was the tank that we finally benched
main bridge
mythic saladbar is making me wanna off myself
be cleaved by my will
maiden sierra
be cleaved by my will
thorn thorn
mythic saladbar is making me wanna off myself
Dont worry bro
It only gets worse after salad bar
thorn thorn
maiden sierra
sub is so boring, but god it feels awful to play current sin
are you high rolling? no? gg go next.
are you high rolling? yes? is it the correct coin? no? gg go next.
though i wont lie i do like fatebound playstyle
just feels ass that damage is rng
maiden sierra
brother bm is having the time of their life
BLACK ARROW BLACK ARROW BLACK ARROW BLACK ARROW BLACK ARROW BLACK ARROW
nova kelp
Throughput= \ =fun
maiden sierra
Dunno, my raid lead is having fun
nova kelp
My raid lead is a fucking shadow priest
haughty flicker
theres something to be said about how comfy bm is
thorn thorn
nova kelp
Idk why he does this to himself
haughty flicker
especially for prog
and you can do the mechanics so other people dont fuck them up
buoyant herald
Current BM is the perfect example of how people will swear specs are fun based purely on the effort:result ratio
haughty flicker
the funny part is current bm is actually very unpopular with bm players
its just the fotm spec
buoyant herald
That doesn’t surprise me
haughty flicker
buoyant herald
I have a baby hunter and I gotta say sometimes when I want to do something brain off even more than usual it’s a nice break
nova kelp
AND you get made fun of for playing it
The only thing you get for your transgression is adadaadadadadadada gameplay
real pike
<@308691441910153230> so don’t feel bad
Well this is depressing
maiden sierra
hey im hoping for magical bug fixes in 2 weeks when .5 patch drops and suddenly sin is finally playable
(it wont be)
thorn thorn
the funny part is current bm is actually very unpopular with bm players
I actually like current BM
If we exclude the set bonuses
maiden sierra
sub is just too good for damage amps :/
thorn thorn
I fucking hate the pack leader set bonus
real pike
sub is just too good for damage amps :/
You mean you don't like spending 70% of the amp setting up to do damage?
maiden sierra
honestly, we really need those bug fixes
i got so bored playing sub in raid
that i gambled away 1mil gold
i have 50k gold on my main
(i did not win a single deathroll)
thorn thorn
maiden sierra
every gambler quits 1 gamble away from winning it big
when will i be rewarded for my rolls
maiden sierra
you do what you gotta do
i dont want to have that akward talk with my gm about why im playing sin on a boss with 3 sin parses logged in the world total
thorn thorn
Tryna be #4 is pretty big
clever sparrow
i dont want to have that akward talk with my gm about why im playing sin on a bo...
just tell him youre the one!
THE CHOSEN ONE!
maiden sierra
thorn thorn
The bandit incident
maiden sierra
thorn thorn
<:Deadge:931788125766832159>
fallow canopy
<:xla:1283127722180087808>
arctic pivot
Are the % gains for 4pc in each hero talent pinned somewhere? Curious how they stacked up
visual sun
are you high rolling? no? gg go next.
are you high rolling? yes? is it the corre...
One pull all the stars aligned and i get 18+ straight coins, other pulls it gets reset at 9 and im like ok
nova kelp
Are the % gains for 4pc in each hero talent pinned somewhere? Curious how they s...
They're good. Crazy good. Are they the goodest? No. Some are GoodER but most are goodless.
Tier good. Bugs bad. End result kinda mid
arctic pivot
🤔 solid
bronze pike
Current BM is the perfect example of how people will swear specs are fun based p...
its crazy isnt it
even tho current bm plays like a foot
its good cause it does "big damage"
errant swallow
Hello my fellow assassins
buoyant herald
its crazy isnt it
Kinda expected tbh. Fun can be derived from a satisfying core gameplay loop but also some people find enjoyment purely in doing big dam and that’s fine too
thorn thorn
even tho current bm plays like a foot
I actually enjoyed current BM until I got the current set bonus
buoyant herald
But I think you need to distinguish between fun and enjoyable there
thorn thorn
I like beast being triggered from bleeds instead of button, and the dire beast talents as a whole
Dark ranger is 
thorn thorn
I like pack leader but I am not a fan of stampede from the set
Dark ranger is just
I will never like it for BM
It started the xpac feeling ass to play
It continues to feel ass
buoyant herald
And that’s why we play assass rogue
bronze pike
Kinda expected tbh. Fun can be derived from a satisfying core gameplay loop but ...
thats fine sure, im not saying its a bad thing
slate crown
They're good. Crazy good. Are they the goodest? No. Some are GoodER but most are...
doesn't exist anymore
they took the good ER away from us.
haughty flicker
haughty flicker
I like pack leader but I am not a fan of stampede from the set
i like the way it helps open up no multi builds
thorn thorn
Hm, true
haughty flicker
because honestly multishot is such a dogshit way of doing aoe
but stampede has a lot of issues
so kinda rough
thorn thorn
I do like the no multi build
static glacier
because honestly multishot is such a dogshit way of doing aoe
the arms race has gone so far
people don't even wanna press multishot and still want beast cleave
thorn thorn
Well yea duh
Multishot fucking sucks to press
Imagine if you had to press poison knife to upkeep spatter
haughty flicker
the arms race has gone so far
blade flurry but you have to press it every 4 seconds and it costs energy and does no damage
waxen oyster
@balmy condor how much is spatter not contributing to singular an overall loss of
static glacier
blade flurry but you have to press it every 4 seconds and it costs energy and do...
6-ish but ye
idk though, bm has massive diminishing returns for focus use y'know
focus goes from converting fully into kc dmg to only partially since cobra shot doesn't really give you a whole kc on average
personally I did enjoy having BA effectively replace all the dogshit focus dump spells for each dark ranger spec
thorn thorn
Completely ignoring resource management, it sucks to press
static glacier
Completely ignoring resource management, it sucks to press
agreed it never had the feedback the other focus spenders did
ironically
waxen oyster
alot of specs seem to be doing that
static glacier
psychic link woulda made a lot more sense on bm
static glacier
alot of specs seem to be doing that
ye, I refer to it as the free cleave arms race
every patch more and more free cleave is added to specs
and anyone who has to choose between st and aoe has to be increasingly overtuned to see play
static glacier
dh since forever
yeah, in my mind it's like fire / outlaw / dk / dh
that have always done it
waxen oyster
granted they get se incentive to not cleave
demonsurge damage goes down with more targets
or well the bonus
thorn thorn
unborn rain
lol
slim copper
guys i need some help desperately... Can i upload some mythic loomi logs tonight and get some reviews?
im doing sub 4M dps on loomi somehow
balmy condor
are you swapping to tangles and/or not using cooldowns on cooldown
slim copper
not swapping because of rik barrels rules... and I use DM and KB on cd.
I was in wrong build this whole time... 🤦♂️
tawdry halo
what was the build
oak tangle
im doing sub 4M dps on loomi somehow
are you finishing the fight?
cause missing out on execute damage will be a big loss
nova kelp
I did a 6.3 on loom last night and I busted fucking CB on a rupture. Twice.
I'm like
So
Shit
oak tangle
broke the streak, rip
nova kelp
Good parse too. Just have that like "bro... Wtf" feeling afterwards
oak tangle
i mean you just woulda not had double coins, you still woulda kept high stacks of one
and heads is bozo bugged
so like
did you hit tails on the rupture, got lucky
nova kelp
Yeah... I mean yeeeaaaahhhhhhhh but still
I checked my flips afterwards. They were decidedly even
I think I was just getting tails at "the right time"
coral jewel
Are the boss builds in wowhead regarding mythic, heroic or normal? Or does nothing change per difficulty?
jolly stirrup
Doesnt change iirc
You can also check warcraftlogs to see what is being played on each boss within the difficulty you would like to play
static glacier
Are the boss builds in wowhead regarding mythic, heroic or normal? Or does nothi...
the advertised builds are the same, in general we don't change talents between difficulties. other classes sometimes can run less aoe in lower difficulties for stuff like soulbinder since adds die a lot quicker in normal than mythic
real pike
i got 1 min deathmarks on every wipe
If you guys get a 1 min CD on DM do you hold KB for 15 seconds and wait for it to come up?
strange onyx
Play around CB
Easier that way
You guys heard the rumor that reason they are not doing any bug fixes for assa is that they are doing a class rework for us that will be playable in pre-patch just like Devourer! HYPE
balmy condor
yeah I heard a rumor it's actually out next week
misty holly
Dude I have raid next week, I don't want to have to learn a whole new class.
subtle tundra
miau
subtle tundra
bro assa will never get an actual rework just changes
it will always be mutilate envenom
balmy condor
Rework? I just learned this shit
yeah they reworked assa as a midrange potion throwing support spec
strange onyx
Me and Whispyr heard the rumor from our source
misty holly
You guys heard the rumor that reason they are not doing any bug fixes for assa i...
If so we might see it on the alpha datamining this week even. Lets get hyped!
strange onyx
yeah they reworked assa as a midrange potion throwing support spec
Don’t lie to them
subtle tundra
yeah they reworked assa as a midrange potion throwing support spec
ill play that religiously
ill come back
ill main it
i swear
balmy condor
I'm sure you will varas
subtle tundra
👽
misty holly
yeah they reworked assa as a midrange potion throwing support spec
If we do get a potion throwing spec I hope it has a lot of reticle ground target powers. That sounds like a lot of fun.
marsh fjord
Whispyr i got a numbers qeustion for you
marsh fjord
no
subtle tundra
FUCK FUCK FUCK
real pike
it will always be mutilate envenom
Nah what they should do is change muti to some kind of strike that can be used with other weapon types, and because we're rogues it would be some kind of sinister strike
Then copy evis from sub instead of envenom cause it's just better
Gief AR and KS cause they're just fun
And finally make slice and dice manual again
Then do away with all other buttons they are just unwanted bloat
Ur welcome blizz
marsh fjord
@balmy condor how much of a loss is it if lets say: you kingsbane, you get a mechanic, you do the mechanic, come back and still be on time for the last 8 seconds to shiv the KB. is the loss just because you are not fully stacking the KB? or doesnt it matter?
humble verge
yeah I heard a rumor it's actually out next week
subtle tundra
make caustic spatter a toggle ability with a 15sec cd?
real pike
Not even, make it last 20 secs on a 2 min cd
With some attack speed buff on it so it can be used in ST
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> how much of a loss is it if lets say: you kingsbane, you ...
correct, you lose the stacks and that's the loss
subtle tundra
but make its cooldown reduced when you use combo points
real pike
Yo I think we're onto something
marsh fjord
correct, you lose the stacks and that's the loss
Would you delay KB to wait out a mechanic and then press it. esp yesterday on araz prog. sometimes i pressed KB and then i needed to do adds behind the portal. but i came back and shiv the last 8 seconds.
Just wondering how to deal with stuff like that
balmy condor
typically shouldn't delay unless you know the timings will not fuck you
but like
unless it's a deathmark kb
it really is whatever
marsh fjord
it happend also on a DM/KB and i got so fucked
golden loom
if you delay a solo kingsbane that then fucks your dm cds is not gucci gang
marsh fjord
I DM/d i KB'd i was about to hit my second shiv. and i got the add mechanic
and i needed to move
and i couldnt shiv the last 8 seconds of it
balmy condor
like sometimes you just get a mechanic when you press cds and the parse is kinda cooked
happens
golden loom
even with moving the adds behind you shouldnt lose more than like 3 or 4 seconds
real pike
Just wondering how to deal with stuff like that
You press KB and do the mechanic and toxic pray for a wipe
marsh fjord
even with moving the adds behind you shouldnt lose more than like 3 or 4 seconds
Yeah the thing is my first shiv was running. and i was like 3/4 sqeconds away from second shiv. and i moved to place the adds down. shadowstepped the boss and my DM had 4 seconds left to run
so i missed quite some time
Mabye i could shadowstep a ally
for more uptime on the boss
golden loom
well you see the timer on the drop
marsh fjord
Yeah
golden loom
so just sprint when its like 3 seconds
red schooner
You press KB and do the mechanic and toxic pray for a wipe
Me every time I get the 4pc bug where it just doesn't work
golden loom
then step back
marsh fjord
ZYeah
real pike
Yeah it was a 80
Fml this is better than my best farm kill
I suck major balls this tier
golden loom
kidney shot 
marsh fjord
kidney shot <:kekw:1217165081251414168>
fucking add went trough
and i kidneyd
HAHAHAHAA
golden loom
arent they immune to kidney
golden loom
feel like I tried on a wipe and it did nothin
real pike
I thought it was only displacement not stuns
marsh fjord
Im pretty sure i saw my kidney on the adds
but you cant check logs
if it was succesfull i think
Im curious now
golden loom
mightve lost my mind when i saw our dk mindcontrolled on first nk soak
I love mc fights, complete pvp everytime a wipe is called
marsh fjord
golden loom
(or even before in this case)
marsh fjord
i think this means it hit
marsh fjord
mightve lost my mind when i saw our dk mindcontrolled on first nk soak
you kidney shot him straight away?
marsh fjord
On NK mythic is there something that mind controls you more so then on HC? or are people not standing in the soaks?
golden loom
if you die you get mcd
grim jay
like sometimes you just get a mechanic when you press cds and the parse is kinda...
insert random downtime isnt bad on sin by some outlaw guy meme here
golden loom
think he lagged and walked into a beam -> ded
golden loom
ye I mean I brainlagged aswell with my kidney
marsh fjord
When i die on prog i say guys my screen is frozen
what is happening
my guild just says: put it on the heater
marsh fjord
ye I mean I brainlagged aswell with my kidney
Why? isnt it good to kidney him?
doesnt he like grip people
if mc
or does like some other shit
marsh fjord
real pike
I got caught by an early beam on NK a couple of raids ago and hit the entire raid with an aoe blind in the mc
RL was very unhappy
golden loom
I am tired of getting 1 shot by casters when boss phases though 
just chilling in the middle swapping to void wing
BOOOM LIGHTNING BOLT
oak tangle
my gm just linked me this, and said she thinks of rogues when she sees it https://www.facebook.com/reel/2040414293453936
lol
oak tangle
is she 50 😄
one of them is probs >50, but nah this one isnt
stable apex
is she 50 😄
avg wow gamer age tbh
balmy condor
my parents are german and their parents are german
stable apex
ah oke
marsh fjord
marsh fjord
Fake american confirmed
balmy condor
first generation 
stable apex
Grüße gehn raus 🫡
balmy condor
falls du mal in der nähe stuttgart bist wenn ich im vaterland bin 
stable apex
unlikely as i live in the north
maiden shale
balmy condor
Und ein Krombacher
stuttgarter hofbräu du sau
grim jay
Austrian iirc
balmy condor
yeh
stable apex
ah budget german
balmy condor
öster
stable apex
still counts
balmy condor
Und ein Krombacher
oder dinkelacker
stable apex
paulaner spezi
balmy condor
I don't like beer
grim jay
Same
stable apex
me neither
grim jay
Wine and Whiskey
stable apex
ugh
grim jay
strange onyx
When is the panel thing tomorrow in European server time?
marsh fjord
When is the panel thing tomorrow in European server time?
With parses like yours
shouldnt you know
balmy condor
there's a panel?
stable apex
for midnight
just "For midnight" or did they give specifics what they are talking about?
strange onyx
I mean they already told us about the rework so we can start writing articles, but would be nice to see the masses react
marsh fjord
just "For midnight" or did they give specifics what they are talking about?
Its midnight related yes
I dont know what they gonna talk about
stable apex
I mean they already told us about the rework so we can start writing articles, b...
what rework
balmy condor
I mean they already told us about the rework so we can start writing articles, b...
this is one hell of a bit
time to let it go 
strange onyx
With parses like yours
Bro I just log on and press mutilate, hopefully I can go back to ret in midnight
strange onyx
what rework
They reworking rogue 🤫
balmy condor
what rework
he's memeing it's fine
stable apex
They reworking rogue 🤫
thats the biggest cope i read in a long time
why would they spend time on the most dead of classes
grim jay
I mean they will atleast change rtb
balmy condor
cause it's funny meme
grim jay
rotund oak
my parents are german and their parents are german
we need more information though,North/South/East/West?Which region,what football team do u support,whats ur favorite german food
strange onyx
Whispyr just taking the NDA a bit more serious than I am
rotund oak
stuff like that
balmy condor
bro 
winged sun
I mean they already told us about the rework so we can start writing articles, b...
Who’s they 
balmy condor
no zeross don't take the bait as well
jaunty sky
I don't like beer <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
the german instinct to fight over which beer is correct is still there and that's what counts
stable apex
surely they will rework the 500 playerbase class instead of giving mage and paladin shiny new talents, animations and big bomboclatt numbers am i right?
strange onyx
Who’s they <:omegalul:585734084777476096>
They didn’t reach out to you yet?
rotund oak
the german instinct to fight over which beer is correct is still there and that'...
Weiss beer 💯
balmy condor
I mean I gotta give it to him, he finds ways to keep the joke going
That’s dedication
Hate him or hate him, he’s passionate about what he does
strange onyx
Ye blizz’s entire team was having a chat with me the other day
Will request to add you to the group chat ☺️
winged sun
main bobcat
oak tangle
bit of an improvement on myth plexus
humble verge
bit of an improvement on myth plexus
zenith elm
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
strange onyx
Whyeth you asketh if stupideth u gonna be?
analog field
I mean not very much of tracking, just Shiv your DN after DM
static glacier
Tbh
I think dry shiv might for some of soulbinder be incorrect
Dry shiv on 1t vs kb shiv on 3t
severe meadow
Yeah I don't really like dry shivving as much on him
marsh fjord
wha about a wet shiv
glacial stump
Moist shiv
strange onyx
They reworking shiv anyway
tired bloom
what's the reason for caustic spatter over internal bleeding on dimensius? Platform adds?
lean plover
They reworking shiv anyway
are they?
strange onyx
They are working rogue, it’s being announced tomorrow at the panel 🤫
lean plover
Isnt the pannel on thursday?