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they are still more than fine even when not proccing well
they just become a god when they do
people go "oh my god hunter is insane" cause they open 99 percentile and see huge giga dam
Just proc
you can look at average percentile data for a spec well known to attract a lower skilled playerbase and see that even the average BM parse is top 3
how many talents do they actually change
the spec is just insane
They are running the multi-less build to my knowledge
So if thats true then basically nothing?
Theres some changes
Its weird tho, packleader BM is insane in some keys and dog in some keys, where you just play MM
Cuz stampede is giga op
And then dark ranger BM is like dawnbreaker and raid
For aoe
drop the left, take the middle
basically what we do going from ds raid to cleave build
"its just their highroll bro"

Yeah the dark ranger build in m+ is even weirder
There is also the no multi you can play
if they don't proc its average!!
Like I checked a banshers log and even tho he had multishot he pressed it like 15 times in a key
who are you talking to
Ah fuck playing my demo lock is making me fotm isnt it


you saying its just 99th percentile data
the spec is disgusting regardless of proc rng
you don't have to convince me BM is good 
I know it's good
literally no one is saying anything other than that
I literally just said they have a casino hero talent that skyrocket to the moon
well the exact thing I was responding to was "if they don't proc they're just fine," in response to me saying they dont have to highroll to be strong
okay?
but my point is that they are still top5 st while lowrolling
sure, I was talking about mm in the original thing
but go off I guess
I'm literally agreeing with you

Yeah I mean in your cds you get black arrow every 4 seconds regardless of procs so its still good, but it can thanos gamba to the moon 
We love rng
im sorry ive just seen a lot of hunter cope lately
Black arrow is probably one of the more satisfying buttons to press tho
im fighting ghosts
zeross the only mfer I've ever seen start an argument with himself and lose
wasnt he the person who tried to argue fatebound was good in m+
in the start of the season
of was that someone else
it's zeross
he will argue all 3 sides of a two-sided argument at some point in time
Zeross the type to lose a fight and act like they won
I saw a new pin thinking it was spatter fix...
Spatter is already fixed bro
Spatter + Singular Focus in deathstalker?
Nope. not SF, but there is nothing wrong with spatter atm
Oh well that's what I was refering to lol
It was after the spatter bug fix from 48% to 40%
I was told I'm not allowed to do good ST dps because our aoe pack-to-pack is so consistently good
but then ret paladin exists
and I think blizz just don't give a fuck
Most rets i see do tank st
ret boss damage is pretty bad but they seem to enjoy lust at least
well yeah cause most rets have had a lobotomy at some point in their lives
this ret in this 12 I just did, did like 4.2m on a ST boss
sure it's not top but it's way more acceptable than what we get lmao
dks are truly busted
also first boss (eco-dome) and he was cleaving my fucking funnel trash
most im seeing are in the 2s to low 3s so that guy must be good
i just do dbs for now
similar to assass ๐
If you compare yourself to FDK you are setting youself up for failure
You see, whenever a second mob is present, every button a ret has gets turned into divine storm
That spec is something else in keys
Pug tank went wtf
Had one do 5mil ST damage and its like, OH OKAY THEN.
because i ended big momma at 20m
I'm just here I guess.

he was 719 ilvl tbf
and I died twice on 2 packs cause I forgot my inky black
My 11 priory was with an actual FDK otp that finished the first boss at almost 10m dps
but I'm mad that he gets to play the most braindead spec and do good damage on everything
It was so fast we didnt have lust for the paladin packs
10mil on that boss is absurd.
i know one fdk otp
he || blackfaces minion stickers || though
what's a db 
oh right
yeah I wish I knew how to play sub good
I'd just switch for the dungeons sin is trash at
He was def cleaving but it was still very bizarre
Fair and balanced spec
Yeah but 10mil for 2 target cleave is still wild.
sometimes in pugs its super comical
especially with this weekโs sub 12 affix
free cdr+20% versa
We also just nuked the shit out of the boss, cuz he applied with an arcane mage that also knew how to play
So all the bosses just got yeeted out of existence
i just watched the emissary spawn during my cd start
and instantly go away after 2nd coup cleaved it
Speaking of comical affix
Do you remember in S1 with the dispell affix in dawnbreaker
If you ever failed it on the last boss the key just bricked cuz it healed too much
yeah
Fun times

Ok I wont lie im either going schizo but I always have a hard time on that boss when im playing resto, the hots feel like they are not contributing to the absorb at all and it irritates me
When I play pres tho its just omega free
The worst is fotm players in general
i dont get the logic behind fotm
Yeah i mean just play good
im attempting to rid myself of elvui
so many broken weakaura anchors
surely this results in more fps in raid
Andy
Have you seen the addon that frag ui has with unhalted
its basically the same looks as elvui
but without elvui @coral ibex
Me when half my guild cant play on patch day because they use elvui
Since i discovered there UI my FPs is really good in raidss
stable 70-80
@coral ibex this is how the dark profile looks
and its not elvui
oh ok I LL check tomorrow
ive already fixed it 
Good
have cell set up like atrocityui elvui
butt atrocity also using elvui
yea but elvui is the reason my fps is low
I understand that bro but what im saying is that atrocity main addon is elvui no?
i feel plater
or did he went away from it
no its mostly the weakaura
is also a huge culprit
plater/weakauras CAN be a huge issue depending on who and what
The more WA you have the worse it will get
Also enabling friendly name plates
like some plater mods are fucking bananas overcoded
hurts a lot
If you have a ton of auras doing pointless shit its gonna have an impact
im very sure its almost entirely elvui
There is this addon i dont know the name anymore of it but it shows you how much CPU what uses
The biggest wa hogs are usually
pray for me, im running my 14th eco in 2 days
ones that dynamically update
why are you running eco

i just like rogue and had mostly leather wue gear
as if 1 rogue alt is enough

by racials alone u need 1 human and 1 Orc for sure
by looks as well
@humble verge They are on to you bro
Show them the picture
3rd rogue
then u need a dwarf and a nelf
Where are the rest of them
thats my boy
give me a fucking sec u cocksuker

this is original rogue
she forgot her pants somewhere
whats that character sheet addon
question, why should i vanish during a fight? what is the bonus from doing so?
!dj
Vanishing On Fatebound 
- you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
- this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
- because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
- edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
- you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst
thank you โค๏ธ
Would Screams of a Forgotten Sky be better than Empowering Crystal or Ara-Kara sac?
My qeustion would be why are you not using top gear and simming that?
I'm not sure what you just said
What does simming mean?
Sorry am still learning stuff
I see, is that an addon or a website?
Do you have acces to youtube?
Thank you ๐
numbers
no whats that
I think it's similar to warcraftmovies but people also upload otherstuff there for some reason.
I dont get it.
i mean not everyone has acces to youtube.
Thats why i asked
Explaining how to simyourself without an article or youtube video if you never done it before is useless
hi nooj
hi nooj
hi nooj
thinking about swapping to another spec for mythic loomi. Any suggestions?
w/e you're comfortable with, idk
Can play Sub but if you do less damage because you're better at Assa, bit of an L
im also thinking about just staying sin and following Reverb mentality
you don't swap to adds
yup
If someone is telling you to, redirect them to it being a ranged problem
in other news... i parsed a 84 on M Soulbinder ๐
not fantastic but also not terrible
Soulbinder can be a bit cooked anyway
This is how heroic is going
for the fucking life of me i cant parse well on soul hunters
What build are you running for hunters?
im using bleed build but i just dont know what im doing wrong
Are you just ripping your vanishes or having one for when they transition
ohhh like out of meta? Never thought of that
well they swap around
Generally speaking when they group up lines up with your vanishes
Try to line vanishes up with that and funnel into the one with the biggest health pool
First meta is funny like a beast guy
imo you reapply mark to whoever it next up for meta
ya i can never remember the order
Yeah
hi nooj
Hi joon
Bro took this meme fresh outta the fryer
i decided to one up myself just for today
DAMN
!macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
!wa
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Splendid
saved
hey guys for first two bosses of Mythic. I have a hero track lily or champ track prism. Which would you recommend?
i have 22k crit and 23k mastery
whatever sims higher for your kill time
is there a way to change fight length for top gear?
OUR CAPTAINS A DRAGON?
their captain banished me to a black hole
our captain is a dragon!
what kinda dps yall pulling on m plexus?
not enough
4.9m last kill
i did 4.2 and i pumped everything i had into it
!gems
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Are we going for the 4 different types of gems for the Meta gem buff?
Or just hard dumping mast/crit or crit/mast
we sim
It's a VERY big sim.
well you don't have to sim every possible gem type
Which is why I was asking general basis
I'm not
Crit mast, mast crit, hast crit, haste maste, verse mast, verse crit, that's the 4
and that's a VERY big sim?
why do you need to sim all of that at once?
ur mom is a very big sim
thank you
No point ONLY simming gems if my stat weights change due to changing gear.
i'm glad somebody finally recognized it
well we don't think about or care about stat weights in 2025. you can sim other gear, then the gems afterwards
Yeah but I put that gear on, put gems in, change one peice, everything changes lol
Yes
The main question was if it's worth going for the 4x Gem bonus
For the meta slot
Alright thanks whisp
I just full slam crit/mast
Yeah
cause I actually cannot be fucked
does anyone have a WA for the most current kingsbane timeline?
like a wa that when you pop kingsbane, it shows the countdown remaining so you can be reminded to shiv
that's not a thing
didnt LE used to have a tracker?
i swear i used it maybe that was like in season 1 or something
yeah used to
ahhhhhh its cooked now
shit don't matter anymore

got it got it, we basically just shiv with 8sec left on DM right
you shiv back to back during deathmark
yea
and then the non-deathmark kingsbane is just one shiv
so you just kinda chuck it and gg
the timeline used to be for when you had to time tea, shiv, vanish
but we don't do any of that anymore
so no one really uses it
ahhhhhhh got it got it yeah ok im just cooked living in the past with that one, i thought it mattered for the non DM KB but you prob just send that sub 10 sec or w.e
thanks as always s2
np
this fight is so exhausting
which fight?
Still chilling with my champion prism and antenna yippie
Budget cuts
fashion statement
oh it's something from brewfest
i dont have any icons though, but when i attack a dummy i have a stein in that hand
thanks blizzard, i always wanted to be an alcoholic
oh fuck it was actually a non alcoholic thing i had in my bag from the sober elemental
What does the blue tick signify in your LE envenom bar WA @balmy condor
pandemic
@thorn thorn i did actually try to sell the mount to one of the customers we had in the run - the ansurek mount
but the fucking advertiser wouldnt answer my community leads

got it thank you 
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yo kind of a random question, but do u guys know if u still need the war within on your account to play max level content? so im on my second account and when i go into "game upgrade" its for the next expansion not for the current one but i also have not bought the expansion on this particular account
its the same battlenet and i own the expansion on my main account
right so for context. i have not preordered Midnight. But i have the war within on my main account, im wondering on my wow (2) can i play the war within with just playtime?
or do i need to buy another license
Uhh, that I have no idea. Hopefully someone else that plays multiple accounts will chime in.
And the thing is, i dont wanna buy playtime and level to 70 to find out if i can play or not
hp bar reaches 0
getting invited
i need to farm 156 more... 
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What you farming
crests
Are you just doing 10's or what you doing
12s
Mental Illinois
More time than me* but also I playing alts that arenโt rogue. (I do have 2)
Iโve got mage, hunt, dk - all are like 716
Low-key the mage has better quality gear than my main
Ngl alts just show you how cringe it is how buggy rogue is
That and Iโm convinced dks are playing a different game
Opener is wrong, why is your belt set to doing dps?
Instead of giving crit
- Your missing a envenom before you pressed your kingsbane
- opener is completely wrong, no vanish, using shiv 11 seconds after your deathmark while it should be. shiv - deathmark and then 8 seconds later again.
- 55 seconds you pressed a solo coldblood. you want to macro kingsbane/cold blood together, 1.44 you did the same
- in your solo kingsbane you shiv before kingsbane. in your solo kingsbanes you want to shiv the last 8 seconds of your kingsbane
- Your cooldowns usage is just not good. if i was you i would just go to wowhead and read some guides. and practice the opener on a dummy for a few hours
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i may have just equipped it and let it ride without a second thought
Been a while i have seen a crooked log like this i just wonder what we doing chief
a lot of people make these mistakes
they just never come for log reviews
either ways, im with numbers on this one
you need to revisit guides about how to play cds
i figured it would be worth while to come to the experts immediately and get torn down so i can build correctly from the jump
Let me show you how a opener needs to look like
fundamentally there's like 2-3 things you learn
and thats it you're done with cds
just get the proper sequence understood then practice on dummies / in raid etc
namely the sequence for fatebound is shiv > dm > kb or kb > wait til last 8s > shiv
macro cb to kb and dw about it
in general we prefer to env before cds unless there's a big reason why you're accelerating the opener (good example for this is salhadar mythic, since we get more kb uptime at the end of p1 and better timed cds for titan on platform and really the entire fight, if we were to do the normal opener our cds in the dmg amp would have a few seconds of the end wasted)
since your first envenom of the fight provides slice and dice which matters A TON for poison applications for kb
any tips for first time soulhunters progress tonight that i might not get from the guide?
those who alt have the most fun 
when the bosses move press sprint and RUN, don't wait for everything to land while trailing behind the slowest moving boss if ur tanks aren't quick. aim to hold a charge of vanish to reapply bleeds after intermission is done. the way they split when the havoc dh uses hunt is for the first hunt she splits off then at the end of its cast she will restack, keep this in mind when sending shiv / ct. you want these to hit all 3 and for the bosses to be stacked while you benefit from tierset /w shiv.
if you are on adarus at the start you can also just step to him after he steps away
id reccomend using CT on stacked bosses channeling metamorphosis, even if its out of pandemic, if it would fall in intermission i pref to have it ticking on them while they're in the sky
sickk
got a myth one this week
mango again 
need to send crests on craft on dk and it'll be 716 
but ye you can see alts higher ilvl than my sub set kekw
maybe i just have to play sub on this char...
so much haste

and i have the vers mastery ring from prio in myth
also
i have the fucking
versa neck
hurb
euge
vers is legit a great stat for prog and keys imo
ye, snag urself logic gate: alpha
juices ur crit
also be ready for .5 when we replace the crit belt
i did actually get like
an LFR
i got nothing to send upgrades on ๐
magemz only
oh ffs
its really easy idk
took me like a day to reach 700 from 5XX
hmmm just checking haven't been around in a week, did the sims get updated to include our current bugs or something? My sim dropped like 4%
it includes the newest bug in the pins

Whispyr do you ever sleep
hey guys
quick q regarding mythic fract since i'm thinking of playing assa there
no
Do you hold prism for 18 stacks and DM or send it with 2nd DM regardless of stacks?
send prism on vanishes
ig you should have 18 anyway since assa stacks it fast
You use it with your vanish
ahhh
so its every 3 minutes
ok got ya thank you
but you should also send it with your final cds cause you wont have a vanish there anyways
so you prism on 3min cds and on 4:30
ok got ya so before 3m mark i dont press that sht thanks
opener -> 3min -> 4:30
thanks ill do that
i've not played assa mcuh outside of bleed build this tier and just got prism xd
thanks for the tips
am i whispyr
oh nvm
need to make this into a gif
๐
since its a gif i mp4'ed from twitter

guys can someone saying top 5 speels in dps after key? because i sim and its always in sim 1-caustic 2-rapture 3-garrote but mine like this
i cant understand what should i do correctly
on this screen im trying not spamming envenom like filler and press rupture instead but as usual i have like caustic-crimson-envenom top dps
Hello everyone, I'm lost at what's happening I feel like I should be doing more DPS - I keep seeing that caustic spatter should be higher in damage but how do you increase it? Am I messing something up? Can anyone give me tips?
well CT should also be way higher but judging from the garrote and sudden demise damage this looks like a very low key
it was a +11
okay well that is fried
with bleed build crimson always first?
yes
yes 99/100 times ct should be over cs
maybe 1 time i might forget to press spam CT
ok so I should be more careful to keep it up right?
yes
!stats
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
but that still would not increase caustic spatter to the level it should be, no?
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oh nice because i watching shin guide and his dps looks like this but in my keys i have crimson first like 8/10 keys
Brother its not that hard
You spread your ruptures, you spread your garrotes. you press ct. you multilate one time. you press DM + shiv on your prio target and you FOK + envenom to get more spatter damage
@flat cliff
When caustic is falling off you mutilate again
there was a WA for shiv somewhere
rinse and repeat
Last 8 seconds
You can make a sound on your KB WA
but there are many weakauras on wago if you need one
ty kind sir
no worries
The rule is in your solo kingsbane. the last 8 seconds matter so thats where you shiv
Yes
ok cool
in your DM your DM is more important
wanted to check if i rememberd that right
so you shiv your entire DM window
got ya that was my next q
yeah because we send shiv before dm and then during
and obv it doesnt cover entire kb
but that makes sense
in DM your kingsbane is already fully stacked 4 seconds in so shivving for the later part doesnt make sense
ty bru
Because with DM you duplicate all your poisons which make KB stack faster
BLIZZARD IF YOU READING THIS UNCAP KB RIGHT AWAY
in aoe i saw a lot of ppls use all poisons before dm but first envenom after dm(burst) is it correctly or envenom also before dm?
Sorry What do you mean exactly?
Using envenom does nothing for your DM window because KB is not assigned to it.
The only thing that envenom before DM Does is doing your spatter damage.
I typically envenom after i pressed DM/shiv
thats what i need
I dont see a reason why you would want to envenom before all of this. because the only thing envenom does is increasing your spatter damage.
And you want your DM window out as soon as possible.
Because sometimes dependant on the key level .if you DM very late. your mob won't live the DM window and thats a waste
on my dk ppl dont invite me to my last 17 priory, on my rogue ppl dont join my key because hes low and i get declined to 7s
fuck this game
what ilvl is ur rogue?
701
my dk is 719 and doesnt get inv to 17 priory at 3.5k
all my guildies sleeping ffffffff
people probably just not joining ur key cos ur a dps
yea they wanna be the last dps to join a pre stack i guess
!spreadsheet
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
Yep, when im doing weeklies or low keys for whatever reason i only join keys with at least a tank or a healer
how hard is it to reach 3.3 this season?
I was always of the understanding that you should absolutely have envenom up before hitting your DM combo
You should have envenom up before you KB
If you do not have kb, then you dont need it
What eleem said
Because envenom buffs your poison application
and how faster your posions applies you faster kingsbane stacked
and in bleed build we have no kingsbane
Ohhh we're talking aoe
Yes. the person was talking about m+
I should learn to read
You're fine bro ๐
713-718 i would say.
For people really inviting you
depends on the person tho
Its mostly more about your IO then gear imo
but for my opinion 710 its comfortable gs for 13
Yeah. its not about the item level but more of how people and there hardcore mindset
ye but all my keys 12 and one of them 13, i cant up io)
only if +++12
thats why i want 13 keys
thats my first wish for newbee player 3k io
and purple logs heroic
going by the fact that our absolutely perma floor PoV priest player sits at 3,4k by just spamming keys 24/7
not much

healer is easier ๐ญ๐
There is no gain playing healer or tank. You have more responsibilities and less fun
tanking is fun
Guessing you don't play either?
I have a kick-problem with my rogue... on and Otter class, its easy, but with my rogue i cant find time for it.
Especially in the Tank chainpulling and i have to dotting and mob one by one ๐
Is there someghing that can help? And i think my arms are to short ๐คฃ you have to kiss the mob you want to kick ๐คช
*on any other class
i am still a little bit unsure about this situation with 4p DS. I have DN active but i could also shiv. Do i 1. Shiv and buff the DN-env or do i 2. Env and shiv afterwards to not waste the mark reduce. I have heard both here over the last few weeks, whats the play?
We talking about aoe or ST
both
Played paladin tank last season. Got 3K but couldn't bear to play more. Felt like a chore rather than playing the game
In ST, you finish and then shiv. But you shiv only with DN up if you have lingering.
In AOE it doesnโt matter because you use shiv to buff all your bleeds. But obviously itโs better to shiv on a darkstalker stack
thank you
played with a toxic 3.4k dk who didnt have aotc lol
m+ is not a real game mode
Whats real game mode ?
someone know how can i make this cursor ?
Unyielding Netherprism, what skill should this trinket be macro'd to?
Vanish on Fatebound
and deathmark on DS
ty
And you vanish before deathmark on fatebound so it gets stacking earlier
we vanish before dm in fatebound?
if you have netherprism yes
i have
How much does my DMG suffer If i Play assa in Outlaw Gear?(30k versa)
What boss
soulbinder
Does your guild not hit the adds at all?
they do but on execute our dev and mm died
Ahh thatโs very nice
short question: what do i do when i hit 2 lucky coins in the opener for example? do i send KB without CB or hold it?
Ur rotation should never change no matter what u do.. and ur opener should always give u a lucky coin
Cb should be macroed to kb and ignored
U dont play around it
Good question. Might need to sim. All stats are viable for assa iirc
!up
I did 6 alt runs and all I got was an LFR trinket
fkn cursed
no this is mythic
INSANE LOGS
wtf i got boe boots as well
DH boots you have like a 10% chance to get them
i guess, for non mythic raiding achieve bros
true
unless you are the only Pug rolling against 5 of our guildies then its a 100% chance
which is better for ST? Deathstalker or fatebound?
i lost on an 86 roll to 90
FB
on all encounters or single target only?
ST
But isnt my CB building Lackluster If i have nearly No crit?
ok and how is sin compared to sub in m+ ? are they miles apart or only slightly worse than sub
tank and key dependant
arguably sin better in some / with the right tnak
our ST in keys is utter dogshit
but if a tank pulls onto boss, we have great funnel
If you dont have a team and dont push really high coordinated keys
then I recommend Sub
Probably. Fatebound likes a lot of crit so it might be worth while getting some crit
Sub is the most consistent for keys imo
sub still hates bitch pulls, but it's single target doesn't approach nonexistence if a tank doesnt pull onto boss
i had a lot of m+ runs tanks pulled very poorly around tfd
which can be rly annoying if the tank pulls something that puts you in combat and breaks the tfd reset at 1s remaining
does anyone else have problem on soul hunters when u have 3raptures on enemy bosses but u only have 8% scent of blood agility ?
or is it just me
(thats ofc a tanking issue, but most tanks are not aware of your timers)
thats the bug when dm expires your duplicated rupture expires so you get -1 scent stack
jesus fcking christ with all these bugs this season
its been that way since dragonflight i think not sure
kekw
You would think Assa EXCELS at 3 target Soul Hunter, but nope barely middle of the pack
whats the point if I can do 15% more damage pressing Frost Scythe
why would / should we excel?
because of Bleeds man
3 targets is not it tho
Wait is this why I've been 'missing' a stack in keys even when I can see all the mobs have rup
okay mate you go back to pressing Frost scythe instead of arguing with me about um actually 8 targets is the highest dps we can do bluuuuuuuuuh
huh?
o.o
like, we make a point to talk about putting out 5 ruptures, in keys with the bleed build, might make sense that 3 targets instead of 5 is underwhelming
3 targets not even properly stacked for a lot of the fight
Meanwhile locks just stand still and blast all 3 for fun
thats a tank problem
Not entirely
entirely
But go off and do abilities
just move to that one
Lol
But then you have the hunt fucker doing hunt stuff.
tbh tho i wanna know why i'm being told to go 'back' and press frost scythe... I don't play DK
They stand still to do abilities the 2 tankable ones are not glued to the other 100% of the time
And its just, STAY IN ONE PLACE YOU FUCK
Yes
you are a dirty mage player
it's just ranged assass tho
Wat
1:30 cd spec, high burst, low damage outside cd's
funnel
with a mini 45s burst
any plans to fix assa
sounds like a ranged fatebound to me
?
assa who
How would we know
Yes i just got into contact with daddy ION and he said he is going to fix assa bugs just because avtooo asked in the rogue discord
I got you bro
I wouldnt mess with avtooo either, good choice Ion
Sound like sub more than assa tbh
Can you ask him why god has abandoned us
tell ION i give him time till next reset if assa is not fixsed i rerrol to retri
thanks
aint nothing gonna make me reroll ret
ofcourse
thats the joke
some things you just can't joke about, wanting to play ret is once, that's just unhinged
!fok
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
if this is 5+ targets why do i see people top logging never fok on araz which is 5t when adds spawn
or is it fok > 5 targets not >= 5t
maybe the diff is minimal idk
isnt that why you fok on 5 targets...
probs cause they ehtical and not padders
Possible they're tracking stats and FoK when they have really high crit 
I shoot quite high when antenna decides to go crazy and weapon procs
also whats the best way to take advantage of the fatebound bug where ur dm is 1 minute when it happens
- hold kb for cold blood at :45 and hold dm for 1:30 (play as normal)
- start sending everything on cd desync
- hold kb/cold blood and send with deathmark at 1 minute again
the last one sounds pretty good if it doesnt affect the fight timings like on loomithar/fract
You can do two things.
You can press DM straight away, and then press KB when cold blood is back again. or you can hold DM for like 20 seconds. to sync with your KB again.
you do not want to hold KB for very long to miss a use on a boss.
yeah
on loomi u dont wanna miss a use of execute kingsbane
u could send on cd and have ur vanish be when u try to resync everything as well
or prism if u have that
huge gamer

fatebound ST do i realy send second shiv in last 8 secs of DM not Kingsbane?
dm yes
so shiv back to back
only last 8 seconds when solo KB
DM stacks KB extremely fast, no need to only buff KB when you can have a fully stacked KB and double shiv inside DM
don't listen to wowhead it is whispyr sandbagging so that he can teach you to play the spec WRONG so he can get better PARSES!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder why we are question the guide maker tho
Questioning is fine
I was throwing shiv at the last secs of KB during DM too because of the first fatebounnd video whispyr released
yes that is why i was questioning ๐
which got outdated really fast
do we even track kb stacks? because i don't
yea just vibes
Hey guys assas stronger than sub for mythic Loomithar progression?
With the inbuilt execute ?
most likely
Tried sub and it's miserable swapping to tangles and boss at the same time
assa also feels terrible
throw maybe a rupture and back to boss
top loomitar rogue kills
I gotta learn sub man
so we're going this whole season not getting fixed ala WW in whatever DF season that was
We're still doing quite well, despite the bugs, it is what it is
probably but we're fine still
i would've been on this screenshot but we uhh... we umm... we didn't log that night
fair enough, my static keeps suggesting i play sub and i just don't like the spec
then don't
do what you enjoy man that's what matters the most
indeed
Even if it's being a Chelsea fan 
some fundamental flaws can't be removed
in my defense i grew up in london and have been a fan way before the russian mob money
er "oil" lol
Well ateasy it's doing better than Sub
I mean Abramovich was a big part of Chelsea's success
oh no doubt - it was just a bit surreal at the time
Assa is fine on it
Can rupture snipe the tangles but hard swapping is criminal
If you get tethered you can shadowstep out on outside tangle
(If your ranged are slow on killing)
Only can shadowstep on tangles that are not invulnerable right?
E.g. they need to have a Hp Bar
Yeah, the ones tanks are grabbing
Raid leader asks everyone to swap to tangles. But my tangle damage won't be very high due to just rupture on it mainly
Donโt swap
Youโll do no tangle damage and less boss damage
Tell your leader to see what ranged are doing during swap
just be careful try not to shadowstep if you're not tangled, because you'll get pulled into the web and most likely die
you can if you're fast but it's a thing to keep an eye out on
because you're a proper ninja and you should embrace it fully
do you guys think they'll ever address Araz pylons literally stealing our darkest nights and leaving us naked?
because that's the #1 reason i do not enjoy that boss
Definitely not
Until they rework deathstalker thats gonna continue to happen
On every single mob that doesnt "die"
yea its expected behavior tbh
Multiple cases of that happening in keys too
Ye its not really a bug
Its just designed to feel bad
Streets, music boss
yea that is true, but it's cringe to leave us without our biggest dps source
don't mind if i do
can we make it a requirement, that before people can complain about bugs, they actually understand them and can tell us how much they are losing because of them?
i was asking a question
but youtuber said 15%!!
cause like... 99% of peeps complaining about bugs wouldn't know they existed if they didnt get told they did
wasn't complaining, just sharing my experience with it and why i feel bad fighting that boss, i'll just go fb next raid and pray that they rework ds mark
wasn't aimed at you specifically, more so the "still no fixes??" people
there are a few that have as a life goal to come into this chat everyday and "no fixes lol"

genuine question, how many people do you think never see messages like this and just continue to ask, not even to be annoying on purpose๐
Mark is turbo cringe either way
Oh yeah big time
it was rank 6
it's more that people for some reason think that bugs are new, the amount of people that looked at pins, and then said something like "ANOTHER ONE?!?!?! WTF BLIZ" yet that bug has been here the whole time
they hadn't known
but now they've been told, they are outraged
damnnn
i'm def playing fb next raid i'm inspired now
incoming 64 parse
it's okay pookie, the fight sucks
Damn yall on mythic soul already
Do you guys switch to sub for add fights like soulbinder / Araz ?
Then assas for the mainly ST fights ?
I played Sub for Araz prog but went back to FB after
Im in sub jail for araz prog
I even crafted a different ring to be able to swap to sub easier
i've just geared by 'bozo press w crit mastery gear'
I have a ring I swap out but that's about it





