assassination

[jolly stirrup]

Liszen to robot

Ye

[golden loom]

or just dont sim gems and vibe put in colors and blasphemite

thats why I use it

how can it be wrong if I just dont sim them?

[jolly stirrup]

Schrodingers DPS

[balmy condor]

I do the same thing

except I don't use a blasphemite

cause I can't care enough

[golden loom]

I might just swap over to the movespeed gem on all chars

[balmy condor]

and keeping track of the colors

[golden loom]

that sounds fun

[midnight scroll]

yea same im also a one trick pony but i also suck at the only thing i do xD

[jolly stirrup]

I tried reading into the Sub guide, but my brain cant handle diving deeper into another spec

I am happy I can somewhat play ass

[sharp viper]

tf is that 2nd trinket you slacker

[balmy condor]

antenna waiting room

[grim jay]

Atleast you got prism

[sharp viper]

just loot it

i got very lucky with trinkets this tier, hence it is up to me to tell people to just get trinkets

antenna in vault after first soulbinder kill without killing loomithar, prism on first mythic fractillus kill

[midnight scroll]

also, another quick question about my logs, where does "doing less dmg with antenna and prism" come in, because i did all these mistakes with lily and empowering crystal and i seemed to be doing better dps

[jolly stirrup]

Pacemaker not better?

Ah I guess you have Raid Belt

[balmy condor]

lily and prism are basically equal unlesss you abuse the prism

[jolly stirrup]

I was talking about passive slot

[balmy condor]

I wasn't answering you

[jolly stirrup]

Oh

https://tenor.com/view/tryan-trying-blocks-block-head-tryan-blocks-gif-13157134546106029566

Me

[midnight scroll]

sooo what does that mean for me in terms of doing less damage?

[balmy condor]

rng and not abusing the prism

like if you sim higher and play the exact same, but deal less damage

that's rng

and kill time I guess

could count that as rng frankly

[midnight scroll]

how am i getting fucked over by rng when mm hunter exists

[balmy condor]

wdym

[grim jay]

Mm hunter just has more variance

Doesnt mean sin doesnt have any

[hearty seal]

ngl FB introduces more variance after two relatively stable seasons with DS

[balmy condor]

mm is way more rng lmao

[grim jay]

Not much afaik

[balmy condor]

if only this were true

[grim jay]

With the tset

[balmy condor]

good copium though, I use that one sometimes in raid with people who don't understand

[midnight scroll]

i definitely wasn't mentally stable playing DS

[balmy condor]

"it's literally a coin flip"

[hearty seal]

what's the RNG for DS tho

[balmy condor]

identical

they're both ~14%

[grim jay]

Oh identical even, thought there was 1-2% diff

[sharp viper]

seal fate on its own is mega

[hearty seal]

that doesn't make sense (not saying it's not true, just that it's weird)
how can a spec that doesn't randomize anything have the same RNG as the spec that literally has random outcomes for the main damage bonus it gives you

[grim jay]

Baseline variance is gamba

Crits is gamba

Stuff that interacts with crits even more so

[hearty seal]

and yes, Deal Fate on top of that

[balmy condor]

deal fate lowers the average rng

but regardless of that

deathstalker relies more on things like crit to deal damage cause it's way more mast heavy

[sharp viper]

Just play max mastery/vers/haste fatebound, no need for crit rating if you just crit all the time

[red schooner]

But does deathstalker give you the option of giga highrolling 56 times in a row

[balmy condor]

like RNG doesn't exist in a vacuum

seal fate for deathstalker vs seal fate for fatebound

are not identical values

just because they're both seal fate doesn't mean they are of equal weight

[golden loom]

The baseline variance thingy sounds fun for darkest night

[balmy condor]

poison application rng matters way more on deathstalker than it does on fatebound because the damage is more condensed

the cycle you land on giving you an extra darkest night in lingering or not

that's just up to god

[grim jay]

Speaking of up to god

[hearty seal]

bleh
that's a lot of machinery going on

[grim jay]

Isnt the variance being equal now wrong with the coin not working probably as per the latest pin?

[hearty seal]

all I know is, my LoM logs were much better than my MO logs at the same relative ilvl... and about the only two fights I'm doing pretty well on are DS fights

[balmy condor]

well deathstalker is 14.3% and fatebound is 14.0%

so we'll chalk it up to equal

[golden loom]

Thats above 0.2%!!

Deathstalker giga rng spec...

[balmy condor]

yeah mm is 34% btw

[golden loom]

Yeah its hilarious

[balmy condor]

good damage spread

[grim jay]

I like how my autocorrect makes coinflop out of coinflip every time I try to write something about the bug

[golden loom]

Also now that dark ranger is playable on BM

[grim jay]

[golden loom]

They also get to coinflip

[hearty seal]

marksmanship? more like vegas-ship

[balmy condor]

dark ranger on bm is also 28%

[midnight scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/60fps-knee-slapper-spongebob-milkcord-gif-27449345

[golden loom]

Yeah do not look at the damage breakdown on fract @balmy condor

The real 1 button specs

[balmy condor]

oh I'm aware

I have a bm in my raid

[sharp viper]

I know MM has black arrow procs, lock'n'load procs and obv crits, what else causes this huge variance?

[balmy condor]

that's literally it

[sharp viper]

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

yeah

[red schooner]

Our MM has pulls where he does heinous things, 10.5mil overall soulbinder

[sharp viper]

what if I told you that dark ranger BM has more buttons than call of the wild

[hearty seal]

like 4 instead of 3?

[normal mist]

You guys wanna see something funny that happened yesterday on my normal achieve run on nexus king?

[red schooner]

2 is a bigger number than 1

[normal mist]

Look at the difference between a 99 and a 92

Mm hunter

[hearty seal]

you know
I am no longer concerned for my parses.

[normal mist]

That's normal run (we were doing achievs)

[golden loom]

why is that guy pressing other buttons... is he stupid?

[sharp viper]

pure skill

[balmy condor]

b...bbb...b.b..b.bbut we flip coins! NANI

h..hh.h..h..h.....how could this happen

I thought I was the one sealing fate

bound by the shackles of my coin

GAH!

[deft geyser]

i saw new pin ad was hyped for bugfix announcment KEKW

[balmy condor]

it was Marksmanship all along!

[hearty seal]

I wonder who has the least variance tho

like close to 5%

[jolly stirrup]

Wait, is that literally all the do?

[balmy condor]

yes lmao

[jolly stirrup]

Bro wtf

Thats like Yuumi in league

[red schooner]

I mean half of the time we just mutilate envenom

[jolly stirrup]

Shhhhh

We don't talk about us here

[red schooner]

We ain't much better, we just can't giga highroll as much

[golden loom]

could be playing felscarred havoc

[midnight scroll]

then you look at the rank and it's like 371

[balmy condor]

I think shadow and maybe dev might be the only specs that could crack under 10%

[hearty seal]

is that their meta blade dance?

[normal mist]

He's actually top 10 world xD I just checked (it's normal mode)

[golden loom]

its meta chaos strike

you dont press blade dance when u have immo aura up as felscarred

u only press chaos strike

[hearty seal]

makes sense for Shadow ig, they don't have a lot going on in the way of procs?... or at least they seemingly don't spec for them

[balmy condor]

maybe aff?

[midnight scroll]

haha a friend that plays mm told me that he has another friend that plays mm, and the difference between their two 99 parses was like 2 mil dps

[balmy condor]

let me check aff

yeah aff is right over 10%

so I guess those 3

[hearty seal]

dang

[golden loom]

whats fury at in single target

that shit is flat as fuck

[normal mist]

Sorry I said top 10 but the was the boss kill. He's 43

[golden loom]

but I guess execute procs might give some rng

[balmy condor]

fury is like 10-11 I think

[golden loom]

and raging blow

ye reasonable

[balmy condor]

but it's hard to get a melee spec below that

[sharp viper]

whats the lowest variance dps spec?

[balmy condor]

^

most specs end up between like 13-20%

fatebound and deathstalker both are actually below average rng I think

[sharp viper]

Hmm, don't know enough about those dps specs to tell where their variance is coming from (other than crit)

[sharp viper]

do you factor in the bugs or hypothetical bug free spec gameplay?

[balmy condor]

eh, I guess about average looking at this chart

but there's tank specs on it

and I'm not gonna filter those out

[grim jay]

Isnt sub decently higher than sin aswell on variance?

[balmy condor]

much

I think assa/sub/outlaw are like 14/17/19

[midnight scroll]

where do you even get these stats from?

it's really interesting

[winged sun]

Cook us something good so we can play the game whispyr or is rogue beyond saving

[balmy condor]

simulationcraft

[balmy condor]

it's just as good as it was a week ago

[winged sun]

Dark times for rogues we’ll be fine no cappy tho

[halcyon saddle]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[weary stump]

But I want a capy

[plush isle]

So has Blizzard just given up on fixing rogue bugs ? every fucking boss you have to log out / log in.

[golden loom]

What does logging in and out do

[plush isle]

fixes the cold blood bug if you change to sub rogue and back cold blood macros doesn't work until you relog.

[golden loom]

Ah

[hazy horizon]

small company ^^

[golden loom]

Play 1 spec, bug fixed

[grim jay]

More important things ^^

[golden loom]

[weary stump]

Oh that's why my cold blood secret technique macro doesn't work half the time

[glacial stump]

Gonna ask a super dumb question here, but like where does our damage come from during burst. How does the damage 'stack up' through DM? Does 'applications of lethal poisons' refer to auto attacks, so it just stacks them with KB and DM?

[misty holly]

DM makes Kingsbane stack to full faster through doubled poison application.

I think that would be the main "stacking"

[errant hawk]

imo, the bugs would have been resolved in 3 days if it had affected the class like : hunt/mage

but we are rogues

[glacial stump]

So kingsbane stacks to 1000%, 20% per lethal poison application. Is an application just an auto attack?

[golden loom]

Any poison procs, so mainly autos yes

[marsh fjord]

Nowadays kingsbane is stacked within 4 seconds

[golden loom]

But also abilities

[glacial stump]

Oh damn

[celest jacinth]

does anyone have any audible WA's for debuffs/buffs?

[misty holly]

poison can proc from autoattacks, but also from abilities like mutilate.

You dont get poison from every single attack, it's a percentage chance (30% I think baseline)

[glacial stump]

Mental

[marsh fjord]

Give us uncap kingsbane back

👀👀

[weary stump]

I'll trade kingsbane entirely for no bugs to deal with in a tier

[glacial stump]

Been slamming the dummy, feel like sometimes i get a mega opener and sometimes a not so mega one, might be me misplaying tho, wondered if the damage had some sort of RNG variance.

[golden loom]

Well dummies are also in perma execute

So blindside procs will be weird, damage will be weird if ur looking at that

[glacial stump]

Yah I can tell by the amount of procs i get xD

[weary stump]

You could say they let you execute your rotation well

[grim jay]

Nah they wouldnt

[marsh fjord]

My best friend plays hunter they also have quite a lot of bugs at the moment

He’s been telling me for a while about them

I just think that they are busy with midnight and it’s not a big prio for them

[weary stump]

What if we collaborate with the hunter discord and shut both discords down for bug fix or buff demands

[lavish wing]

does the pin mean we just need to roll more tails

noted

[hazy horizon]

hunter is god tier wdym

[balmy condor]

then two discords get shut down and nothing changes anyway because blizzard couldn't give two shits about our fucking bookclub

[glacial stump]

Rework in Midnight dw guys

Rogue is next in line right?

[cunning needle]

what book are you reading atm?

[glacial stump]

right?

[winged quail]

I saw a new pin and thought bugs were fixed, LMAO

[spice spire]

Considering we got one in df I’d say likely not

[grim jay]

People always forget that we got one

And a pretty good one at that

Also nothing fundamentally wrong that would require a rework

[tired bloom]

check icy veins midnight hub 2. Main Features - Class and talent changes. Maybe a behind the scenes info, maybe a rumor

[glacial stump]

What does the class need then?

[spice spire]

Just a good bug fix

[spice spire]

To be less buggy

And a hair of tuning likely

[red schooner]

We need daggers that also shoot fire at the enemies.

[grim jay]

Bugfixes and potentially a damage distribution shift

[red schooner]

The only solution

[grim jay]

Idk I only trust official info on that. That one probably hails from them stating they will change specs that rely heavily on weakauras

With outlaw being the example

[tired bloom]

could be, we may potentially see something when alpha launches in a week

[red schooner]

So you're saying we need to find some marginal gain that's only trackable via weakauras?

[grim jay]

Exactly

[tall bluff]

!prism

[grim jay]

The main feature of midnight is the new dh spec being an int spec tho

Maybe dhs will be less stupid

[red schooner]

Will it stop them from dying to every swirly?

Every DH we have loves swirlies

[grim jay]

I dont know if its that much int

They are still dhs

[red schooner]

True

[grim jay]

Fr tho, the most exciting thing for me is probably the new race

Shaman finally has smth decent

[red schooner]

Harronir look neat. It may break my only troll streak

[weary stump]

But we care and isn't that something special

[real pike]

Yooo a book chat?

Just started rereading the Narnia books

Love a bit of old timey prose

[balmy condor]

I don’t read, my job is to write, that’s good enough for me

[real pike]

https://tenor.com/view/president-not-to-read-elected-simpsons-gif-10792961

[balmy condor]

Yes that’s very special indeed

[tepid breach]

Can we still stack prism before the key goes?

[cunning needle]

no wonder the guides are always written like that

bazinga

[balmy condor]

[cunning needle]

jk please keep writing them they are great

[balmy condor]

All the Diablo news articles that no one reads

Minor spelling mistake

[cunning needle]

[weary stump]

My favorite part of the rogue guide is the healing potion section in consumables

[grim jay]

@balmy condor s works are the only things I read

[balmy condor]

Why

[cunning needle]

oooooh good reminder

[subtle tundra]

spec's a joke!

[cunning needle]

i should finish them

only read the first 2 or 3 i think

[sharp viper]

Whispeare

[subtle tundra]

fuck my ass being a sin player is such a loser thing

[real pike]

I'm doing the audiobooks

[balmy condor]

Why

[sharp viper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[grim jay]

I dont even remember what that meme was for

[sharp viper]

Wouldn't you like to know, sonnet boy

[grim jay]

Nor what the icon in your hand is

[balmy condor]

Not a white monster

[real pike]

Do you often have a white monster in your hand?

[balmy condor]

Every night before bed

[cunning needle]

when are you getting sponsored?

[balmy condor]

Never

I can’t even drink white monster right now on account of my teeth

[cunning needle]

wait

[sharp viper]

no teeth, no trouble

[cunning needle]

im not versed in monster lore

why white monster specifically

[grim jay]

Actually cant find any Info about what it was. Maybe an old icon for fatebound?

[grim jay]

Because it was the goat

Still is for some

[real pike]

Be real

Proper UK donnies will remember green Relentless

That was the bizniz

[grim jay]

Proper bros will remember Jack3d

[cunning needle]

whats wrong with green monster

[grim jay]

Nothing, im an ultra paradise enjoyer myself

[cunning needle]

you say these words

but i do not know what they mean

i am not a monster drinker

[knotty forge]

Guys, today we start mythix loomithar, I go on my assa rogue, do I swich to webs? I have peacemaker 723 and prism 710 any tips?

[grim jay]

Its the fully green zero monster

[grim jay]

If you need to switch, you switch

If you dont, which you shouldnt, you dont

[knotty forge]

How do I use prism do I fish for 18 stack damage amp?

[grim jay]

You just use it on vanish DMs as you should

Everything else will come naturally

And depends on a lot of things

[weary stump]

If your raid lead needs more DPS on webs just drop a rupture on the front one when its available to attack and then go back to boss

Simple solution

[knotty forge]

I will, if we die, we die

Im only dot spec there

[sharp viper]

you tunnel the boss and let other dps deal with it

[weary stump]

That's the ideal situation yeah

[knotty forge]

Ok thats how its gonna be

Is 4th boss such a big step up?

[weary stump]

Araz is a funny lad

[grim jay]

Kinda depends

If you look at average pulls its not that bad

But can be annoying depending on your group

[knotty forge]

Tight dps check?

If everone does at least 4.5 should be ok?

[red schooner]

Its less a DPS check and more of a, can your raid team drop adds at the right spots check

[weary stump]

Will your warlock move today check

[unborn rain]

is fb still good for araz

or is sub technically better for cleave

[weary stump]

Sub is less scuffed for the fight for sure

[red schooner]

FB is good, yeah

[knotty forge]

Also about loomithar, do I send on pull? Cuz tangles reduce coin dps

Cuz its not technicly st at that time

Or i can squeze in full cds before

[patent valley]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[knotty forge]

Ok ok

Thx

[red schooner]

Just send

Don't hold for p2 unless its like, 5-10 seconds

Thinking is the enemy of parsing. Just zug.

[knotty forge]

Will do sir

[zealous moth]

bug fixes next week

trust ass bros

trust

[spring briar]

never

[grim jay]

I kinda hope they stay for atleast the rest of the patch

To do the crying justice

[spring briar]

we got a list about the bugs at the moment?

[tired bloom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect

[normal mist]

This is why I pay for the internet.

[spring briar]

Touché

[zealous moth]

very cool bug list

thanks

[weary stump]

The family of the loomussy

[main bridge]

Umm arachnids are not insects

[midnight scroll]

i heard you can copy someone's cds from lorrrgs and put it in a personal note, has anyone done that and how helpful is it?

[royal lantern]

not really, cus killtimers are a thing

[weary stump]

She's a silk moth not a spider clearly

[jolly stirrup]

Also FB bug is a thing

[midnight scroll]

i'm just scraping for shit to help me improve i have noooo clue where to start

[jolly stirrup]

You and me both

[royal lantern]

the guy in a WR 30 guild has the boss dead at 2min 30 while the average raiding group needs 4min

[jolly stirrup]

I try to take stuff from yesterday into today's raid

[royal lantern]

killtimers are a big deal

[jolly stirrup]

See where that leaves me

[weary stump]

Just hit button better

[main bridge]

Can be helpful if you have similar fight times

[royal lantern]

learn the basics

like, not making mistakes in your basic gameplay is 90% of optimization allready

dont focus on the extreme edge case stuff

[midnight scroll]

i got the basics down pretty well i feel like, but idk where to go from there because some days i'm killing other days its the complete opposite

[weary stump]

Not having the kill be the pull where your dagger breaks or poisons run out helps too

[midnight scroll]

and a big part of that is the "parse mentality", if I have a bad fight my confidence fucking plummets

[weary stump]

I mean what I would never forget to re-up poisons

[royal lantern]

that totally NEVER happend

i never went "bruh, why is my energy empty allready" after 10seconds

[weary stump]

My favorite is when dagger breaks and I'm shamefully swapping it from offhand to main and vice versa to use abilities

[royal lantern]

well, cant help you there, parse brain is allready stupid and getting depressed over a bad parse when there are like 20000 things that impact it that you dont even have full controll over is just kinda dumb tbh

[midnight scroll]

i'm aware of that, but i find it hard to gravitate away from that kind of thinking

[weary stump]

Just remember if you're in an average group blue-purple is good enough

[royal lantern]

like, you can be the best player in the world, if your killtimer sucks, you wont parse, if its a fight where you can cleave and your raid doesnt let you aoe padd, you wont parse

[wraith kettle]

What may I choose? Im not being lucky to get the boots, and I have to say that my helmet, chest and legs are still hero track. In sims, boots get better numbers than the other options at 723 il.

[royal lantern]

mythic blue is not average

mythic blue is average for a mythic raider

mythic raider is top1% allready lol

[weary stump]

True but still good enough

[royal lantern]

are you raiding in a guild or are you a m+ pug lord

[cunning needle]

hit dummies

run a simc for target dummy at 2min or something

and aim to do the same damage as that

if you're not. chances are you're doing something wrong

[wraith kettle]

m+ pug

[weary stump]

M+ pug is a humbling experience in seeing how some people function in dungeons truly

[royal lantern]

then grab the boots tbh

getting them in a pug group where youu roll against 40000 other people sounds painfull and like a near 0 chance to get them

[cunning needle]

this picture is somewhat of a meme but it's also true. you don't need to giga min/max everything and get every single global done perfectly

[desert crest]

Aint no way we getting even more bugs before they even start to fix the old ones gg

[midnight scroll]

ye but what counts as a "mythic raider"? just killing any boss on mythic or is there a threshold you need to pass to be considered a mythic raider

[desert crest]

Holy jesus

[midnight scroll]

stupid question ik

[desert crest]

Kill more than 2 bosses

[cunning needle]

but the hitting dummy thing is very good if you're not parsing well

[zealous moth]

as long as you´re not a puglord and can consistently reach more than 2 bosses, usually around 4

[cunning needle]

and evne if youre parsing well it's good to warm up for muscle memory

[zealous moth]

but between 2-4 you can consider yourself a M raider

i've come to realize there is a LOT of people that just get aotc and are done with raid

[wraith kettle]

yes, I know, i lost roll yesterday for boots and we were just 3 people rolling for it.

[zealous moth]

TRUE

[weary stump]

The m stands for masochistic depending on the group

[royal lantern]

iirc, roughly 0,8-1% of the playerbase gets cutting edge

if you kill 2-3 mythic raid bosses, you are allready in the top 2% or something like that?

mythic raiding itself allready IS a extremely high gameplay level that puts you above most people

[zealous moth]

it sounds stupid as fuck but it helps

[cunning needle]

my mate is a consisntet r1 gamer and he hits dummies all the time

[midnight scroll]

we got to 6/8 last season and i was mostly purple parsing, 80 was my lowest one not counting stix, but again, that's what drives me to do better for the most part i guess

[cunning needle]

like if youre sitting around doing nothing in dorn waiting for a key

just go do your opener on a dummy

[midnight scroll]

even though you know, it probably shouldn't

[royal lantern]

like 20-25% of players get AotC

most people just dont raid at all except maybe LFR

across the entire playerbase, you are allready a good player with curve and 2,5-3k m+ score

going above that is the top1% area

[hearty seal]

yeah that seems like the most worthwhile time investment you know
you basically do see the bosses that aren't complete pushovers to 95% of players, but it's not Mythic where you have to have a consistent roster and everyone has tto be pulling their weight

[royal lantern]

(or in case of m+ score, the mental hospital)

[cunning needle]

im pretty sure CE is like top 1-2% or something

and you see some of the RFWL guilds

[hearty seal]

only if you pug
M+ with friendos is nice

[royal lantern]

i never really checked how it is at the very very end of the tier tbh

[cunning needle]

maybe reddit was right that we're all elitists

[royal lantern]

but ye, around the 1,something% mark

[cunning needle]

but like you look at the average RFWL gamer and then realise theyre top 2% of raiders

[royal lantern]

you are a elitist on reddit if you use your keyboard for abilitys instead of clicking

[midnight scroll]

yea i don't really have a good understanding of what a true casual is tbh, i always expect a true casual to be doing way more than is actually true

[cunning needle]

everyone better than me is a sweatlord, everyone worse than me is a casual

[midnight scroll]

EXACTLY

[cunning needle]

but yeah go hit dummies, log some fights

if it's a shit parse

post a single target fight like frac or something

and get someone to look at it here

usually if youre green/blue parsing - there will be some obvious mistakes

assuming your gear is all up to date etc

enchants/gems

[midnight scroll]

i sent a log today, i'm overcapping energy and i didn't send a set of cds when needed, but whisp said that i'm fine for the most part, hence me slightly losing my mind trying to find ways to improve

[zealous moth]

how long ago?

i want to peep

[midnight scroll]

i can resend 1 sec

[weary stump]

Every hunter is also a pokemon roleplayer, and every blood elf priest secretly has an RP alt living in silvermoon

[midnight scroll]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R3fcyb7xQ4JAKaMg?fight=65&type=damage-done

[zealous moth]

perma stuck on goldshire

[cunning needle]

i just want you to know that the exact same thing just happened in the sub channel

they held 3min cd until 4 minute

and then lost a cast over the fight

[royal lantern]

weak aura: saying you did mistakes

strong aura: blaming coinflips

[cunning needle]

[midnight scroll]

the reason i held is we had a raid wide call to hold cds on ~60% hahaha so i was like alright i probably won't get kb in time anyway (i have since learned to send it anyway)

[jolly stirrup]

Me when I magically show up on the first spots of damage dealt

[royal lantern]

i mean, if you have to hold CDs for something, ofc it will result in worse overall dmg

[zealous moth]

good rule of thumb as a rogue

[royal lantern]

but like, if you need to do it to get the kill

[cunning needle]

i dont think holding is ever the play on loomi

[royal lantern]

[cunning needle]

unless its like

51%

[zealous moth]

ignore your raid lead like 90% of the time

they always ask us for weird shit

[cunning needle]

yaeh

[zealous moth]

go do adds

[cunning needle]

like swapping to tangles

[zealous moth]

use wound poison

[cunning needle]

[zealous moth]

fucking

[cunning needle]

wait what

aint no way

[zealous moth]

no. just no

[royal lantern]

meanwhile you have a DH in the group that allready applies heal reduction by default

or a ww monk

[zealous moth]

yeah i trialed with this guild

[royal lantern]

or a hunter

[zealous moth]

they wanted me to use wound poison during their salad bar progression

[cunning needle]

??????????????????????

[zealous moth]

then took 27 people to dimmy

[royal lantern]

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[cunning needle]

what the fuck is even healing

on saladbar

[zealous moth]

i left next week

[midnight scroll]

okay

[cunning needle]

wait

heroic prog?

[zealous moth]

yeah

[cunning needle]

holy shit lmao

[royal lantern]

what is he HEALING????

[zealous moth]

it was like

4 weeks ago

[cunning needle]

i mean i guess saladbar heals when he absorbs the dragons health

but im also pretty sure thats patched if it ever existed

[royal lantern]

they realise that he is not healing, he gets health back based on the HP the dragon has at the end

lol

[zealous moth]

following week dragon was getting oneshot

[zealous moth]

you know the fun part

[royal lantern]

and again, you will allready have heal reduction from like 3 differen people in your raid

[zealous moth]

i didnt even use it

[royal lantern]

[zealous moth]

and when dragon (didnt) die, he told me

hoooly shit look at that! so much less health from the poison!

i was like uhhhh sure!!

[cunning needle]

acutal monkey

[red schooner]

Top 2% baybee hell yeah

[royal lantern]

i would not say uhhh sure

i would say "are you frking dumb or something"

[zealous moth]

lol

only place i use it

is for the cheeky cheese in hoa

bc i dont play pvp

[cunning needle]

also worth for the first 2 pulls in ecodome

i guess maybe not as worth for sin rogue

[zealous moth]

what even heals there

[cunning needle]

also on the spinny dudes before 3rd boss floodgate

[zealous moth]

i never realized

[cunning needle]

mites or something

idk something heals

[zealous moth]

huh

idk, i haven't gotten past 11s yet so

[cunning needle]

that circle that goes around you as well

heals the mob

[zealous moth]

wouldn't know, it's not like it matters at that level

[cunning needle]

i think?

dont quote me on that

[zealous moth]

oh shit fr?

[cunning needle]

yeah

11s just do damage

[zealous moth]

lol

[cunning needle]

if it heals

just do more damage

[zealous moth]

just press the buttons harder

[royal lantern]

-Fimbulvtr, 2025

[gusty mirage]

you're not very good at following directions sir

[royal lantern]

[zealous moth]

he did the thing

[desert crest]

Does anyone know if there is some addon or weakaura that makes it possible to have gear sets that also change belt effect and cloak fibre?

It is kinda anoying to have to both swap gear set and then change the belt and cloak manually

[zealous moth]

btw, i don't think it's very relevant to your overall damage, just curious, what's usually the time left on rupture when you reapply it? wowanalyzer shows a lot of "clipping" but sometimes it is kinda fucky

if you're reapplying too early, maybe you can fit more envenom casts before having to reapply

(i'm saying "clipping" bc i'm not sure if that's the correct word, just what the site says)

[oak tangle]

in HoA how long is the cast for his heal on last miniboss

[zealous moth]

the cast itself or time between casts?

the cast is like 4 seconds i think

and time between casts uhhh

[oak tangle]

oh nice, so enough for me to swap poisons

[zealous moth]

i believe it's like ~45 seconds?

[oak tangle]

this my last 12 for resilient

finally caring about it

[zealous moth]

i mean if you´re gonna do the wound poison cheese

you should swap before he casts

it's actually a channel, he heals during the cast

and you need to stack it to get any value from it

[oak tangle]

yeh he has a cast time first tho no?

[zealous moth]

hmmm i don't think so

let me see

[oak tangle]

i'm also planning to shiv it for the hell of it

[zealous moth]

so, watching the first video i found ( from shadowlands, but still)

it´s like a .5s cast followed by a ~4s chanelling

so, the cast time is not nearly enough to apply poison and stack it

[oak tangle]

hmm, might just not bother

[zealous moth]

if you want to min max it, i'd say just swap poison like 5s before the cast

and back to deadly as soon as it's done

if not, just run the wound poison from start

(of the miniboss)

[clever sparrow]

is it needed to play sub on araz?

[zealous moth]

i think it is better yeah

[gray hazel]

na

[zealous moth]

i mean if you can play sub as good as ass, go for it

if not, just stick with what you can play better

[clever sparrow]

i heared assa sucks on araz lol

[gray hazel]

its alright

all the bugs dont help though

[clever sparrow]

i just need to repractice a bit

[golden loom]

assa is great for boss damage and at this point the adds get nuked

[clever sparrow]

well its mythic and im in a progress guild

[zealous moth]

i mean if you're running caustic FB

[clever sparrow]

so i dont think if anything get nukked

😄

[golden loom]

I mean depends

[zealous moth]

you lose a lot of damage from that one hero talent that deals no damage on like 5 targets

but otherwise, you're cranking damage on the boss and spreading coins to adds

[frigid kestrel]

They getting nuked out our prog. We just gotta get positioning down.

[unborn rain]

same

[severe meadow]

@coral ibex bro

[marsh fjord]

Bro

[coral ibex]

?

[marsh fjord]

Bro

[severe meadow]

I just got golem pet from crashed star

[marsh fjord]

Top dps om araz as assa

[clever sparrow]

then i try both of them

lol

[ancient pasture]

is assas starting i get quite bad? in high keys im really feeling like my ST damage is BAD

[marsh fjord]

Does your tank bring funnel?

[clever sparrow]

cause your st is bad

[ancient pasture]

AoE i feel like im on top of the world, but then we get to a non-cleave boss and i want to just go get a drink and let the other DPS finish it

[clever sparrow]

funnel is the way if therre is no funnel thats not your job

let others handle it

[ancient pasture]

When we are doing rashanan i want to sudoku

[marsh fjord]

Tasha man was season 1 bro

Rashanan*

[ancient pasture]

im talking m+ brother

[marsh fjord]

4th boss in palace raid

[ancient pasture]

end boss of dawn

[marsh fjord]

That’s his twin brother

That’s rashadawn

[zealous moth]

probly the single worst boss for assa

no funnel + no execute

no adds

nothing

just starve

but yeah, ask your tank to pull adds or pull them yourself without fucking everyone, but keys ST is your worst part

[oak tangle]

ya boi got resilient

[zealous moth]

fuck yeah

[marsh fjord]

Gratz my boi

[zealous moth]

grats

[oak tangle]

first half of hoa

https://tenor.com/view/drake-pointing-you-smile-gif-10763807

[zealous moth]

did you do the poison cheese?

[oak tangle]

second half of hoa

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-face-wow-gif-27489493

[zealous moth]

bro that dungeon is so stupid bc you´re just demolishing everything on the first part

[severe meadow]

The start...

[zealous moth]

then dying of cringe during the last part

[oak tangle]

i did swap

but we lusted it, so killed it with one heal anyway

dunno if good or not, but timed it

[zealous moth]

that's all that matters

good shit

[oak tangle]

now some 13's to get 3k

i'm a bees dick away

[zealous moth]

what's your io?

[oak tangle]

2974

[zealous moth]

so close

[oak tangle]

i don't normally go beyond 2700

[zealous moth]

probly need like 2 or 3 13s right?

[oak tangle]

normally burn out of keys

[midnight scroll]

for me pushing higher keys is the only thing that drives me to do m+, i'd rather fill up a vault with 12s 13s etc than mindlessly do 8 10s

even though the latter will take way less time

[normal mist]

I think the opposite way

The less time I spend inside a m+ key the better

[onyx coyote]

Would anyone be willing to look at a mplus log to help me figure out how to do more dps in keys?

[normal mist]

10s are the highest threshold for the best rewards? 10s it is

[onyx coyote]

I'm not sure what i'm not understanding about rotation there

[midnight scroll]

true but i love setting new goals for myself, for example last season is the first full season i've played ever, and i got to 3.1k rating, which was an amazing feeling

also, 90% was pugging so that was crazy too

[normal mist]

Last season I also reached 3k, playing fury warrior, was fun until I hit 3k for the achievement+mount. Then I stopped Qing

I'll probably reach 2.5 this season as a monk tank as well tho

[severe meadow]

Do you mean in ST

[normal mist]

Since it's my first time tanking in many expansions

[onyx coyote]

pretty much overll

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xg8Rvkr9J4B6Z3LT?fight=44&type=damage-done&source=33

ST i know is lower

[severe meadow]

are you busy pookie

[normal mist]

Not really, depending on how busy you mean

[severe meadow]

Do you have one of those screenshots of your 10s overall

[normal mist]

Yes

Those ones?

[severe meadow]

@onyx coyote spatter is low off rip

[normal mist]

That's a priory10 btw, huge pulls

[severe meadow]

Yeah I was too lazy to log in to post one of mine xd

Spatter should still be higher, no?

on average pulls

[normal mist]

Yes

Overall CT and caustic ate top1&2

[severe meadow]

From the log posted from bing bong

Caustic management just seems really low

[normal mist]

A lot of time spent using ruptures inside IC and not envenoms probably

We just need 5ish ruptures

Not 30

[severe meadow]

Yeah, scent is all you really care about

[onyx coyote]

so no need to rupture extra on large pulls to get more up?

[severe meadow]

Not really

[onyx coyote]

k ty

[severe meadow]

You can if you think some ruptures hit targets that will die really quick

So you can keep scent up

[pine cave]

Hi, if I have more hasta, does the dots beat faster?

or more tick ?

[normal mist]

Can't remember but that doesn't matter for how we optimize

[oak tangle]

it does

[zealous moth]

you´re either spending the whole pull putting ruptures up, our your tank is pulling 1 add at a time

[oak tangle]

but it doesnt matter

[midnight scroll]

i think it does but you dont track that really

[zealous moth]

bc that caustic damage is WAY too low

[oak tangle]

our dots get put on a target for a duration, haste partly determines how often the damage tick happens

[onyx coyote]

i was putting extras up manully when they wore off

[severe meadow]

I mean yeah, that's why rupture is their 2nd highest

[onyx coyote]

best to just save vanish for when they fall off?

for IC?

[normal mist]

That's one way to do it

That's how I do it

I don't save vanish for bosses

My St is bad either way

[severe meadow]

I rip a vanish on bosses with adds that don't die instantly

So like 2 of them

[oak tangle]

wait, people save vanish for bosses?

[severe meadow]

But yeah 95% of the time rip vanishes for reapplying

[zealous moth]

i don´t think so

[oak tangle]

i mean if you are pulling adds onto it, sure, but like ST you crazy

[zealous moth]

i just "save" one for deathmark

[onyx coyote]

one more question about diminishing returns. Raidbots says i'm fine to keep ading mastery but true stats syas not to.

[zealous moth]

but don´t hard save it

[normal mist]

Do what raidbots says

Ignore the rest

Robot good

[onyx coyote]

k ty

[midnight scroll]

big robot good and smart

[zealous moth]

mastery is the best stat for m+

most of your damage comes from bleeds there so

[oak tangle]

can you tell i've geared to dual spec?

[zealous moth]

it´s normal to want higher mastery for m+ than for raid

[midnight scroll]

ONLY 72%?

[zealous moth]

yee

[onyx coyote]

k ty i'm trying to push 3k again this season and was feeling low. I'll definitely watch caustic now to make sure it has more uptime

[zealous moth]

i´d asume you´re making the mistake i see most people make

where you are wasting too much time applying rupture outside of IC and lose your caustic/DSM target

[oak tangle]

i can't be sure of your routing, but i can link my 12 HoA for comparison, simlar dungeon time

[zealous moth]

you may want to get a mouseover macro for rupture, that way you can stay on target while spreading dots

either that or get some way to track your main target and swap back quickly

[midnight scroll]

https://wago.io/5FWtjYFgC/1

[onyx coyote]

yea thats an idea i had not thought of

oh cool ty for that wa

[midnight scroll]

this was a game changer for me

[humble verge]

time for chest dya

day

[zealous moth]

i just saw something weird

you aren´t casting 2 shivs with deathmark

it´s not like it´s gonna completely bump your damage but

you want to always cover your deathmark with shivs

that´s a mistake that drags over to trash pulls even

you can cast like 3 shivs between deathmarks, but you want to always cover it

[midnight scroll]

and ALWAYS dry shiv

[zealous moth]

^^^^

[onyx coyote]

i wonder if i misunderstood dry shiv

[zealous moth]

when you have 1 shiv, lingering darkness and 1 stack on your deathstalker mark, press shiv and full CP envenom

[onyx coyote]

oh wait i see the issue

[zealous moth]

ALWAYS try to do it on your caustic target

[onyx coyote]

my timer is set to watch kingsbane

[oak tangle]

I also had a quick look, i'm gonna keep looking to see if you do it more, but you don't pick a prio target to mark very well

[onyx coyote]

but no kingsbane in bleed

[midnight scroll]

yea do the same as you would if you had kingsbane

[zealous moth]

but with 712 ilvl you should be hitting >6m overall dps

[onyx coyote]

i have a choice between sacbrood and pacemaker with forge for mplus been using the pacemaker

[zealous moth]

also, even on ST, you want to keep CT up

[oak tangle]

@onyx coyote

for that dungeon, but more in general, you should target the prio mob, for funnel

you marked a lil bitch mob, which died early

[zealous moth]

oh yeah

that´s probly the worst mistake

you always want to target high prio/high HP

that way you can cleave and funnel for longer

which is where most of your dmg comes from

[onyx coyote]

yea i was on interupts on hound lady

[zealous moth]

with a hunter and a shaman?

[oak tangle]

still best to mark the shard, swap to interrupt and swap back

[zealous moth]

please tell me that was a pug

[coral ibex]

is ele not good in m+ or something

my guy was doing basically nothing on big pulls in halls

[zealous moth]

if you are on houndmasters, you can't do damage unless they pull them in

[zealous moth]

i´ve had this issue

a lot of bad eles out there atm

[coral ibex]

we timed the halls 15 but it was tight with 0 deaths

[onyx coyote]

shaman was apug hunter was getting when they could

[coral ibex]

like under 1 minute left

[zealous moth]

what i mean is

[midnight scroll]

wonder what they'll play next month

[zealous moth]

the houndmaster cast does not come nearly fast enough for your hunter to not have kick for every single cast

unless there are 2 houndmasters

you should NEVER be on ranged adds as assa

unless everything else is dead

[coral ibex]

2 more for resil...

surely i get invited to psf

[zealous moth]

who would invite a 3k io clown to their 15 prio

🤡

[coral ibex]

also on houndmaster/gargon pulls

you should focus the houndmaster first

because they have a 20% dr aura on the gargons

🙂

[midnight scroll]

one of the best feelings is doing a cheeky ninja shadowstep to a ranged target that you know won't get kicked and going back to your marked target

[coral ibex]

the pack should be on the houndmasters

[zealous moth]

true

i meant for damage, it´s fine if you go kick them and run back

[coral ibex]

if ur sending cds into gargons while houndmasters are up

ur just losing 20% damage

[midnight scroll]

ye ye of course

[zealous moth]

yeah but like

you don´t send cds to gargons

[coral ibex]

yea, you send on houndmasters

you do more aoe during lingering darkness anyway

[zealous moth]

yup

[coral ibex]

you should send DM to kill houndmasters

[onyx coyote]

usually we would do a nice long pull from start to the first shrd nd hero but this time we had a pug who wouldnt hero it

[zealous moth]

had 2 lusts tho

they were sleeping

if you don´t lust that pull you are probly dead

that one and the first after halkias are the most dangerous pulls

[onyx coyote]

yea they heroed first boss and mob before finl

[old lily]

anyone know how to get the shadowmeld into stealth to work

[onyx coyote]

ususally we squeeze out 3 heros thta dungeon

[oak tangle]

final mob lust is normal

[zealous moth]

the rest is fucked

[coral ibex]

lusting mini is basically required to beat heal casts

[zealous moth]

why would you lust halkias

[old lily]

/stopattack
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth
i tried using this but it doesn't put me in stealth

[oak tangle]

where / when did you use this

[onyx coyote]

i'll be glad when we strt doing twelves more it gets annoying deling with affix so nice when its gone.

[old lily]

i was under the impression it can be used during pulls

[zealous moth]

until you get the %dmg for adds and then your hunter doesnt kick houndmaster and your tank gets oneshot by gargons

[old lily]

obviously not when i got debuffs ticking on me

[zealous moth]

and then you cry in a corner

[oak tangle]

cannot be used on bosses, full stop. i have never had meld during packs be reliable at all either

[old lily]

but during a normal m+ run

[old lily]

alright how do you get it to be somewhat reliable

m+ on packs specifically

[oak tangle]

no idea

[onyx coyote]

its not crying in the corner when you can vanish and run ass out of there.

dont stop until you hit the next dungeon

[old lily]

so far i haven't been able to actually go stealth with it

[zealous moth]

you go hunter and feign death 👍

until they resist it and then you real death

[old lily]

[onyx coyote]

most dungeons seem to have too mnay stealth seeing mobs to get any reliable shadowmelds.

[zealous moth]

you want to outrange them when you meld anyway

so there´s no chance you get some bullshit like

[oak tangle]

meld is better saved to stop you dying from mechanics

[zealous moth]

"oh, this add swung the exact same frame you melded, so it hits and you lose stealth"

[onyx coyote]

least nothing is spiteful anymore those dman things could reach cross continents to get you

[zealous moth]

lol

[lyric crater]

cool more bugs for fatebound nice

[zealous moth]

there is more?

i'm tired of this grandpa

what is it this time?

[onyx coyote]

Assassin-Bug-In should be our new name.

I do hope they fix things its really annoying to be doing a boss and realize Deathstlker's mrk just decided to not be there anymore.

[zealous moth]

won't until midnight

why bother

when they are gonna introduce 3 new hero talents and break everything again

[midnight scroll]

what's the new bug?

[quiet oriole]

Love how i went from insta inv to keys at the start of season to being 3k rating and getting declined for 10s

[zealous moth]

oh it's pinned

FB heads doesn't work XDDDD

[midnight scroll]

oh new pin nice

[quiet oriole]

Not new btw

[zealous moth]

THE INITIAL %DMG DOES NOT WORK

LMAOOOOOO

waving fist at the sky BLIZZRRD

[onyx coyote]

I've found that thts across the board since the new leaver system cme about.

[zealous moth]

you know what's fun

getting declined to a 10 having like 500 io more than the poster

and it doesn't even show as an alt

[visual hemlock]

my kingsbane and deathmark had random 30 sec reduction during raid and i thought i am schizophrenic, but nah its just bugs

[onyx coyote]

isn't there a class talent that lowers cds with evoker or something?

I remember during raid once them discussing who could benefits fromt he cd reduction

[visual hemlock]

yeah i yelled at my aug evoker

but he said it wasnt him

[onyx coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-gif-19718696

Smash those bugs

[zealous moth]

poor dude playing the worst spec in the game and catching heat for a bug

[brittle garnet]

Hello guys , I am quite new.

I wanted to ask on the Nexus King Adds intermission with Fatebound build , do we build CP with FOK or just Mutilate titan and let Caustic do its thing for the small adds ?
Whats most optimal for dmg

[zealous moth]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[zealous moth]

as long as the smaller adds are up, fok with mutilate to keep caustic up

after some die, go back to just mutilate

[brittle garnet]

Noted 🤝

[zealous moth]

🤝

[lucid silo]

im pretty sure they wont ever fix the bugs at this point

[haughty flicker]

it took you this long to realize that?

we've had sub as the example for ages of how well they deal with rogue bugs

[lyric heron]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lyric heron]

Looking for a good plater that caters to both Subtlety and Assa...what would be best?

im guessing the Whyspyr's Afenar edit?

[coral ibex]

jundies is fine, you can add whispyr's debuff recolor mod to it

[lyric heron]

kk thx!

[coral ibex]

sub doesn't really have much to track

other than fazed

[lyric heron]

thats the one i want fazed

lol

[spice surge]

Dont really need fazed

[lyric heron]

true its pretty much "on"

[coral ibex]

yea you could basically ignore it

[lyric heron]

kk

awesome thx all

[weary stump]

Make an alternative button for vanish when you hit it defensively to GTFO that says "did you see my health bar"

[chilly marsh]

wow is really abandoned. what a sad state.

[normal mist]

?

You mean rogue

[coral ibex]

some people are just in the business of misery

[unborn rain]

our main tank got taken out back

[zealous moth]

let's take it from the top

[unborn rain]

dead game do not install

[chilly marsh]

remix the real seasson 3

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/pop-punk-paramore-misery-business-gif-24707183

[runic hinge]

LOML

[lucid meteor]

quick basic question - do I always mutilate to max combo point before spending even tho if "miss" one combo point since mutilate generates 2? or do I just spend at 6 combo points instead of 7?

and don't miss the overlap?

[red schooner]

Deathstalker - spend at 5+ unless you have darkest night, then spend at 7+. Fatebound - always at 5+

[lucid meteor]

thnx alot!

[ancient pasture]

In the beginning of the season, assa was s tier, then the bugs were introduced, and it slowly fell to d tier.. Is that just because most assa players started going sub, or is it actually that bad?

[coral ibex]

who cares what tier lists say

they dont matter

only literal idiots care about tier lists

[red schooner]

Listen here bucko, I may be dumb, and.... wait.

[main bridge]

Not all of the bugs are even new. It’s just that Whispyr made a video and Kira made a clickbait short and everyone became aware and started pretending they “felt” the bugs the whole time

[drifting cloud]

guess what bugs were already here week1 how does your argument feel about that

[red schooner]

Yup. Only one I notice is the fatebound tier set one which is more annoying than anything

If they fixed the 'sometimes it never procs' thing then I'd be fine, I can deal with double procs via cold blood

[unborn rain]

yeah the tier set bug is lame

purge all logs where deathmark bugs lowk

[frozen iris]

God she’s so attractive

Good times.

[quiet oriole]

Only good thing about tier list is them putting you at bottom so you get fixed/buffed

[zinc vale]

isnt it time for devs to add one or two combo points for rogue ?

[main bridge]

No

[zinc vale]

why not

[main bridge]

We already have enough

[zinc vale]

nah i want more

[royal lantern]

and what would it do

except making you press mutilate more often, which means having less energy cus mutilate is fucking expensive

[zinc vale]

yeah but our finishers deal way more dmg

and we can apply rapture for like 60secs

[royal lantern]

its a static 20% increase

cp dmg ratio is literally static

[main bridge]

Rapture was yesterday get with it

[haughty flicker]

Should have infinite combo points and you just perma build the whole fight

[royal lantern]

the difference bettwen 4 and 5cp in dmg is the same as 6 and 7 lol

[haughty flicker]

Then launch a 300 cp envenom

[royal lantern]

imagine being left behind lmao

[waxen oyster]

it would be neat if rogue had rapture

lil healing passive

[midnight scroll]

are we supposed to be actively chasing the orbs from antenna when possible? or just wait and play normally

[waxen oyster]

I mean they literally float to you

[midnight scroll]

veeeery slowly though

xD

[waxen oyster]

ok does that change anything

[desert crest]

If u are in cds chase

[waxen oyster]

no

[midnight scroll]

alright, ty!

[desert crest]

If u are about to be in cds run away then chase when in cds

In all other cases it does not matter

[waxen oyster]

ngl i feel wow players

need to get spoonfed basic logic

[midnight scroll]

those damn wow players

[waxen oyster]

mostly m+ andys

are kind of dented

[main bridge]

someone in another server asked if they should disregard sims and feelcraft about what gear to equip. they were serious

[desert crest]

Yeah ngl it is very true

There are too many too good guides out there

[scenic horizon]

“I prefer to theory craft based off of vibes “ kinda based. So much confidence.

[waxen oyster]

its almost like it would be nice if a website existed that showed how good players played

by global

oh wait-

[desert crest]

I mean tbh looking at logs to see how to play antenna would be quite anoying

[waxen oyster]

most people cant read wcl

by more than the parse %

even if they’re grey gunthers

[zealous moth]

Very based

[oak tangle]

the extremes of this is when you are the only one doing a mechanic, get kicked from raid for dying, because you died so they could live

[rigid fable]

bugs and more bugs i love blizzard

[waxen oyster]

lmao what

[midnight scroll]

do we know what the total dmg lost is for us because of bugs?

not that it matters

[waxen oyster]

Not alot

[main bridge]

some clickbait videos would have you believe it's over 9000%

we actually heal enemies with our attacks

[waxen oyster]

i just play sub in vault keys because db is easy

also funny to burst 20m on 1 target

[oak tangle]

"HE JUST DIE MUST BE BAD"

[waxen oyster]

i dont do mechs for other people to live

[oak tangle]

did you see your namesake got banned

[waxen oyster]

what

[oak tangle]

mr fatality

[coral ibex]

wait

[oak tangle]

threatened devs

[coral ibex]

that was the reddit guy??

[oak tangle]

whispyr le booted

[coral ibex]

[oak tangle]

yes

[coral ibex]

holy shit lmao

[red schooner]

Said he was gonna send a bullet to realz or some nonsense like that. Pure unhinged behaviour

[waxen oyster]

Oh