assassination

[fresh kelp]

they didn’t say gilded would be uncapped with turbo boost

[main bridge]

Crest caps are so cringe

[fresh kelp]

My main is 2ilvl off the gilded discount achieve and the alts got like 400 gilded waiting for the discount

they gonna go crazy

[marsh fjord]

I play a lot of alts can you guys tell

[oak tangle]

damn, your lowest beats mine

[golden loom]

Yeah problem is if I play alts without sending upgrades im just gonna get bored and not play them

[oak tangle]

gilded discount is just average of 720?

[fresh kelp]

yes

it works on a per slot basis across your account though. So if your main is 720 average but has a 707 belt your alts won’t get discounts above 707 on belt

can abuse it a bit on main by upgrading an alts belt then getting the discount on your mains

[oak tangle]

not sure i'll be hitting 720 average tho

[subtle oyster]

Turbo season should make it easier

[coral ibex]

i have 1 alt and its ~700 ilvl

omega ratge

[waxen oyster]

damn crafting a ring over my 707 is only 10k

[onyx pond]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[marsh fjord]

rings are usally not that big of a upgrade

[oak tangle]

rings are good stam

👀

[waxen oyster]

yeah its mostly figuring out where to send this week's gildeds

already have chest/mh/head mh and 2 trinkets upgraded so likely not seeing any major gains anymore

[oak tangle]

legs / shoulders are still decent agi

[honest needle]

and do we still use mana oil opn weapns or whetstones

[marsh fjord]

mana oil

[chilly marsh]

Hey guys happy month anniversary of the rogue bugs ! 😂 💩

[oak tangle]

waiting for "salt water and sandpaper" weapon enhancements, so that i can rust my knives and do more poison damage cause it also gives the target tetanus

[waxen oyster]

oh i didnt mention legs somehow

yeah have those too

probably an upgrade shoulders/gloves from 3/6 week

then my only agi slots left to pump up would be belt/bracers/boots but boots are reshi or bust

[vast patio]

Do fatebound coins benefit from shiv? IDK if cosmic damage is like chaos or not.

[main bridge]

Yes

Cosmic includes nature

[vast patio]

good to know, thanks.

[jaunty sky]

*nature includes cosmic

[vast patio]

On a related note, do the talents that explicitly mention poisons affect it as well, or nah

Like zoldyck

I'm assuming not due to the wording. Fatebound sin is my least played spec for rogue lol

[golden loom]

Nope

[spice surge]

Generally nature and poison are the same thing

[golden loom]

So fatebound is a bit worse in execute compared to what deathstalker is but that doesnt matter when its like 15% ahead in ST

[spice surge]

Weapon poison is different, and lethal poisons are the same as weapon poisons (kingsbane is not a lethal poison despite the tooltip explicitly saying it)

And yeah zoldyck randomly doesnt work with coins

[frozen iris]

Bummer no ethereal race confirmed

[golden loom]

Capital letters make all the difference!!

[vast patio]

not giving us ethereals but giving us those lame avatar wannabes is such a massive fail

They'd get longboi levels of money, guaranteed

[pliant remnant]

I dunno bro, furries are kinda loaded

They'll race change all of their chars to that

[weary stump]

What if we change poisons to requiring a vendor again so we have to go restock on poisons in our bags every few days

Sorry raid lead I forgot to buy deadly poisons at dornogal before raid

[wide sleet]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[frozen iris]

I think the harrownir are dope but ive been wanting ethereals since tbc. Unfortunately it seems like they are starting to put gleeful glamours for unique models. The gleeful glamour for ethereals doesnt wear our armor. So that sucks

[midnight scroll]

they should make us buy poisons off the AH

[weary stump]

Alchemist craft required

[normal mist]

@crisp prawn are you Eu?

[main bridge]

Nah we should have to farm all the materials for them and they should be soul bound so you can’t just buy everything

Then we craft the poisons and it requires artisans acuity

[weary stump]

Every class now gets a craftable buff item they have to use every 2 hours

[midnight scroll]

Fuck it slap in a rare recipe for each poison that you need to farm before ever stepping foot into an instance

[weary stump]

Alchemists make rogue poisons, inscription makes dk runeforges

[hollow smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/pen-in-flames-umineko-writing-in-flames-flames-gif-20892510

[weary stump]

Cooking can make holy water for paladins

[vast patio]

There'll also be no way to craft it once midnight starts, effectively.

[vast patio]

Did they actually say they aren't going to fix it

[crisp prawn]

Aye, why?

[normal mist]

i think you just ran by me into a delve

if your name is the same in game

[crisp prawn]

It is :p

Human male

[normal mist]

s1 tmog

[crisp prawn]

Yup! hahaha

[red schooner]

Didn't even say hi in game.

[normal mist]

he just ran into the delve

and im an orc

[frozen iris]

where was this at

[balmy condor]

based on the icon next to casuals name

that is casuals stream chat

[frozen iris]

ah. I assume we didnt get an official response saying it wont be fixed and its hearsay?

[visual sun]

Will there still be last class tuning or all em devs fully hands on midnight

[coral ibex]

its just hearsay

[crisp prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/warcraft-world-of-warcraft-orc-dance-orc-dance-gif-19242689

[normal mist]

this kind

[balmy condor]

fatal has been on a doomer speedrun traveling across the lands to I guess.... complain? report nothing of value? continue posting screenshots saying that the bugs aren't fixed?

but there's nothing different today than there was yesterday or last week

if there is official news it would be pinned

[upper spear]

bugs fixed?

[coral ibex]

bogos binted?

[frozen iris]

I figured as much

[vast patio]

I'm just saying, if it were ret paladin they'd fix it in a day, lol

[red schooner]

[balmy condor]

except they wouldn'

[spice surge]

Well why are ret paladins bugged then

[spice surge]

[vast patio]

They did last season. Was bugged in a similar matter, was fixed in four hours on season start.

[golden loom]

Paladin was bugged the entire tier

Ret on mugzee

[vast patio]

kekw

[upper spear]

If you dont fix the bug, you dont have to retune later! ez!

[balmy condor]

its always a great meme to be like "oh if it wasn't rogue it would be fixed"

but there's literally bugs on everything constantly

[vast patio]

I might be thinking of season 1, actually, not last.

[visual sun]

Pins bugged

[balmy condor]

tell me the last time storm earth and fire was NOT bugged

[spice surge]

All classes have a lot of bugs

[crisp prawn]

OHHH that was you haaha

[humble verge]

GM decided to play NK the hard way

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-well-forgetting-sarah-marshall-shrug-what-idk-gif-4807732518114937375

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-pretty-impressive-bgt-britains-got-talent-amazed-wow-gif-19920404

[humble verge]

atleast he dodged everything

[flat musk]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vast patio]

wtf is he doing

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-laurence-fishburne-morpheus-trinity-he's-beginning-to-believe-gif-18413151103009905935

[humble verge]

his best

[scenic horizon]

Surely this is the day I get a forge or netherprism or lily in vault

Never mind.

[marsh fjord]

What am i fucking watching man

[quiet junco]

Oh no what to do, I already have mythic pacemaker and heroic lily

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[quiet junco]

60% done lol

77%

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/oprah-sim-you-get-a-you-get-a-sim-oprah-sim-gif-16921530

[waxen oyster]

use printscreen

[thorn slate]

does the Momentum of Despair talent only bug out if you have 2/4 set? im currently running 1 piece. Or is it in general?

[scenic horizon]

I heard printscreen steals your stats

[humble verge]

question is

[main bridge]

you should use the "relative dps" checkbox. makes it easier to reason about the numbers

[humble verge]

whats your raid exp rn

are you 4/8 or 5/8 and can "possibly" get prism from raid

[waxen oyster]

signet is a stinker if you ever play fb

[quiet junco]

2 /8 mythic

[humble verge]

hm ok

then i would just go for signet ig

but yeah

youre kinda lucked out with those choices

[quiet junco]

Im in bleed build dung slice

[waxen oyster]

I think that was obvious lol

if you ever play fb signet is worthless though

[quiet junco]

I do for raid

[thorn slate]

Anybody knows?

[vast patio]

i feel like the only person who hasn't got this in vault yet lmao

[zinc vale]

anyone knows if u get loot from demon hunters mythic if u r 5/8 mythic when u killed fract but not hunters ?

coz u get loot from loom ithar when u r 2/8 but u havent kill loomithar

[coral ibex]

yes

[zinc vale]

pray for boots

ty

[balmy condor]

it bugs with the tier

[balmy condor]

archon is for priests

[vast patio]

ya, iit's per boss it doesn't matter the order

nvm I misread the first time

but yeah

[hot pasture]

in mithic demon hunter u spam mutilate or fan of knives?

[balmy condor]

mut mostly

[humble verge]

just dont work AND drink whiskey

[zinc vale]

ty

[dense cove]

is it best to send netherprism on pull and then just with 2nd vanish?

[somber sparrow]

technically yes... but the 2nd vanish comes up before 2.5 minutes into the fight, so you want to save the vanish +2nd netherprism use for the 3 minute mark.

basically line it up with deathmark and all that

[dense cove]

perfect, so basically use it on 1st set of cds and 3rd set of cds

[somber sparrow]

yes, but I would recommend just macroing it to vanish and so it will get sent on your first vanish after your first deathmark

[humble verge]

insane loot drops on my alt run

[hollow talon]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[pulsar coral]

has anyone ever tried using shadowmeld potion for DPS

I was thinking maybe it'd be better than a tempered potion on like Big Momma

[balmy path]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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[gritty laurel]

shadowmeld into stealth doesn't even work on bosses, but even if it did i'm fairly sure it wouldn't be anywhere close to a tempered pot

[pulsar coral]

rip

[errant heath]

What % do you guys sim your antenna's with? is 80% resonable?

[gritty laurel]

80% is fine yeah

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s fine

[severe meadow]

100% because you’re handsome and never miss orbs (don’t do this)

[waxen oyster]

50% because i dont have eyes

[severe meadow]

[waxen oyster]

I only have it on warrior

sometimes i see 3 orbs spawn while im doing nothing

[severe meadow]

I have a WA for it, I love hearing “orb orb orb” in rapid succession

[humble verge]

juge gamer

[severe meadow]

Get that mythic dimmussy mount

[warm vortex]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Jh6gmHKNdJY

@balmy condor

Get on this

[haughty flicker]

TAS monster energy edition wtf

[humble verge]

goated dps for a +10?

[jolly cloud]

is netherprism still preferred use trinket for assa?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[jolly cloud]

ty

[viscid spear]

Finally subbed to Raidbots

[zinc vale]

best trinket by far for sinrogue

[jolly cloud]

ty i just seen a lot everywhere saying araz for ds and lily for fb so I wanted to just double check here

[lusty narwhal]

depends what you have

i have a 723 lily which sims higher than prism for me on fb

but prism shits on lily for sub

[vocal cradle]

whats the "best" way to sim for soul hunters? i know it wont be like super accurate, but just want the closest option to get an idea

[balmy condor]

2 target cleave add is okay-ish

it's technically a 2 target sim with an add that's roughly up 60% of the time

which matches the uptime roughly

but it is an add so you get on-death energy and need to redot it and stuff

bit scuffed but probably close enough

[vocal cradle]

word, thanks!

[spare vault]

Hello there is a simple way to track on wa how many rupture and garrot are apply on the total of the mobs ?

[normal mist]

WA's

LE lisona standalone wa's have them

[sharp viper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
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[light moss]

Pretty new to rogue, only max levelled it 3 days ago. I got a myth lily of the eternal weave in my vault, and a heroic netherprism in the 4 mythic weekly quest last week.

Is there a way I can utilise both these trinkets to be somewhat ok? should I macro netherprism to vanish, and eternal weave to deathmark? or maybe one of them to kingsbane?

[sharp viper]

I don't think assassination can benefit from double on use a lot if your trinkets have less than 2 min cds due to fatebound cdr. You can always just sim your trinket options and let the robot decide

[quiet oriole]

fuck this game man socket x2 in a row

[gleaming geyser]

double on-use is pretty doodoo for sin; on myth track, you probably use lily because fights are getting shorter and shorter

if you sim patchwerk, sim different fight timers, like 5, 6 and 7 minutes

[hexed root]

are there any prism recommendations for using it on sin or follow subs advice on it? wait for the 9 stacks?

[gleaming geyser]

use with vanish, so you use it on pull and at 3min then 6 min

[hexed root]

if it's used on pull isn't that 0 stacks, or do you just do it after the 10 seconds?

[gleaming geyser]

itll be 0 stacks because you vanish for kingsbane double jeopardy

you can macro prism to vanish so its easier

also this is purely for fatebound

for deathstalker, you use every 2 minutes with DM

[hexed root]

maybe I'll just keep using lily lolol https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c6KynrPrhLCuGcKWpNuKxD

just 0.2% difference

[severe meadow]

Vault was mid this week

[marsh fjord]

@balmy condor When you sim with netherprism does the sim include a full 18 stack in execute with cooldowns?

[night summit]

whats the proper way to use unyielding netherprism and if not used properly is it worth having

[balmy condor]

no

[marsh fjord]

FB: with vanish every 3 minutes

[marsh fjord]

Is it just 18 stacks and then it presses it? without any cooldowns?

[balmy condor]

no?

[marsh fjord]

Sorry i should make my qeustion better

[balmy condor]

it doesn't use prism outside of cooldowns unless the fights about to be over

that would be silly

[marsh fjord]

How does it work in sims?

[balmy condor]

it casts with deathmark

[marsh fjord]

every 1:30?

[night summit]

so whats the right way with vanish or DM

[balmy condor]

right now every 1:30 I think cause the logic is a bit fucky, but it should be every 3

they changed some shit

and I gotta unchange it

[marsh fjord]

On FB its with vanish. on DS its with DM

[balmy condor]

it's every 3 min

[marsh fjord]

Ah oke thanks. So if my prism is slighty behind my lily would that mean prism in actual fights would be better?

[humble verge]

why do i keep getting D1 football players on my algo bro 🤨

[balmy condor]

probably sure

[marsh fjord]

Thank you bro

[night summit]

I was using with DM then on 20 sec CD

[marsh fjord]

You use it with vanish every 3 minutes. it fully stacks

[night summit]

how do i get hekili to stop telling me to use it with DM

[pliant remnant]

[night summit]

I appreciate all the advice

[marsh fjord]

Not use hekili

and think for yourself

[night summit]

I thought it was good

[severe meadow]

maybe if you're new to the game

[marsh fjord]

its not about good or bad. its about you learning for yourself 😄

[night summit]

alright I turnt it off

can never parse i suck lol

[coral ibex]

you will learn more about the spec by turning off hekili and doing the work natty

and then you wont suck

its not too hard, mostly just having the right macros and doing the opener correctly

[marsh fjord]

What helped me in the past was opening MRT

and making my own notes

with rotation stuff

[night summit]

MRT?

[marsh fjord]

Method raid tools

[coral ibex]

/mrt in game

[marsh fjord]

A guild pushes notes on that

[coral ibex]

you probably have it installed if your raid leader sends you notes

[marsh fjord]

but you make your own personal notes also

Back in the day i just typed stuff in that

[coral ibex]

every opener and cooldown sequence should look like this

shiv>dm>kb

shiv again when the first one falls off

[slim pasture]

i have netherprism, just got atenna anf araz's in vault which one i take?

[coral ibex]

vanish anywhere in this photo

just read the wowhead guide while you hit a target dummy for a bit

and it will start to click

[marsh fjord]

I think i've spend more time on dummies then actually in raids

[gloomy heart]

antenna sounds juicer

[night summit]

damn I gotta lot of work to do

so my first vanish of the fight wont have many charges but the following ones will have unyielding netherprism charges

[pliant remnant]

[marsh fjord]

Wait someone pinged me and then it got deleted?

[arctic pivot]

Does using a 1h weapon like mace/sword in offhand effect us?

[hexed harbor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/waWtqVdBNmYhpf3M?fight=4&type=damage-done

[drifting cloud]

depends how you feel about being able to use mutilate

[hexed harbor]

96 parse are you happy with me whispyr?

[marsh fjord]

You could have higher if you dont fuck up your shivs 😄

[coral ibex]

ayo

in my bags?

[marsh fjord]

7k VERS

Time to start your pvp arc

[coral ibex]

this is big for my sub off spec

[haughty flicker]

lmao haste

[balmy condor]

yes, you can't use mutilate at all

[balmy condor]

very

[hexed harbor]

we dont talk about that

listen first orange parse ever idc about any fuck ups rn lol

[marsh fjord]

Listen we gotta talk about it

You coulda get rank 1 😄

[hexed harbor]

another 96

im not sending the link either now shiv talk round here

[tawdry halo]

wow your raid team performs way better than mine

[marsh fjord]

It's HC

[hexed harbor]

yeah heroic raid

[marsh fjord]

Maybe you missed that point

[tawdry halo]

No no, I run in an AOTC guild and the level of green and gray parsing is... concerning

[hexed harbor]

its only 9 purpler parses in that encounter so idk

[flint shadow]

Hello guys we've just killed dimensious on heroic but in this raid all i had was grey or green (very rare) logs. Could you guys please help me to find out issues on my rotation or gear?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dY9GmHXFpMc1fq76?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=12

[marsh fjord]

Sure let me see

[tawdry halo]

about 7 more than most pulls in my guild

they do their best tho so thats good

[marsh fjord]

• You double garroted & ruptured the add on the start dies so fast you can just ignore that. just get to your opener ASAP on the boss and let spatter do a bit of the work ( your opener is delayed) it took you 30 seconds to actually press them.
• The start of your opener looks fine, your second shiv is 2 seconds to late. you want to cover your DM fully but you missed 2 seconds of DM but shivving to late.
• You also want to make sure that you press netherprism with your vanish. you solo pressed it without any cooldowns. at 1:02
• on your solo kingsbane you used shiv before kingsbane but you want to use one shiv when kingsbane is 8 seconds left. you want to cover the last duration.
• also i see a lot of combo points being wasted ( normally people are around 10-30) you are at 100 combo points wasted, on fatebound you always want to finish 5+ combo points

For the rest i see you using netherprism solo a lot in the fight. you might have macrod it to something. i explained this above but you only want to use it with vanish.

[hexed harbor]

Tbf people gotta start somewhere lol I’m not the greatest player either, I started out grey parsing everything then whispyr wooped me up into shape a lil here and there and that’s as far as I got rn lol

Just gotta hope to see steady progression and improvement if you don’t see that then questions are there to be asked and answered

[oak tangle]

Keep in mind that parse %age is HEAVILY swayed by kill times so even poggo players can get shit parses

[hexed harbor]

And I may be wrong but I remember being told you want to shiv before deathmark into cold blood etc. then use second shiv within the same time frame as your deathmark after stealth

[marsh fjord]

Your wrong

WEll not 100%

[hexed harbor]

Figured

[marsh fjord]

But your shivs was 30 seconds out of each other bro

You just want to shiv before DM and then 8 seconds later

[hexed harbor]

Well I’m not sure how I want to shiv during the cold blood into kingsbane isn’t it like you just want to shove once at the end of it?

[oak tangle]

What’s cold blood got to do with shiv?

[marsh fjord]

You shiv - DM - Kingsbane/coldblood ( 8 sconds later you shiv again)

[hexed harbor]

Right but what about kingsbane only? When your tier procs?

[oak tangle]

Cold blood envenom talent boss

[marsh fjord]

You just solo kingsbane and then you shiv at 8 seconds remaining of KB

In your parse that i looked. you didnt press KB at all

You missed a entire cast

[oak tangle]

You don’t regenerate 2 shiv charges in 45s is what we are saying

So don’t use 2 45s before dm

[hexed harbor]

If I’m thinking of the right one that was intermission, so push back happened around the time KB came off CD or when I noticed it was up

[hexed harbor]

That idk bout lol

[oak tangle]

Gotta do the degen tech

Step step phase blink shiv

[marsh fjord]

You shivved at 8 seconds and then shivved at 26 seconds. while that shiv gotta be 10 seconds earlier.

on your second set of cooldowns you missed 2 seconds.

and on the last set

you are 16 seconds to late

So you just need to get your shivs under control and you will do even better

And press KB on cooldown

[oak tangle]

Did we flip log reviews or we talking about the wrong beige name

[hexed harbor]

So I’m assuming with my wa, I can manage shiv easier when it highlights? Kinda like how my and what not?

[marsh fjord]

What i have is when i press shiv 8 seconds later i have a sound in my ear that shiv need to be cast

[hexed harbor]

Ah that’d be cool to have lol

I think I have an idea on what I need to do, so Ill work on that next time around

[marsh fjord]

If you don't understand don't hesitate to ask.

[hexed harbor]

No I get what ur saying. Thank you for the help

[marsh fjord]

No worries

You're doing good

Just gotta fix those minor things and you will be blasting even more

[glad ferry]

For mythic soul hunters, I can't help but noticed people vanish almost on opener after deathmark. Do I just do opener, spread bleeds the nvanish to do the same? Why would I vanish early if my bleeds don't need to be reapplied?

Is it just for crit and I just dont refresh bleeds with it?

[marsh fjord]

Its for MA

its the same idea what you do

in M+

[glad ferry]

Ok yeah, so they dont reapply bleeds after this particular vanish

[marsh fjord]

You can.

But the thing is

people mostly do it to get a fully improve garrote on your DM

Because if your done dotting everything and then DM. your garrote will fall off before your DM is over

so they use that window to redott

[glad ferry]

ah

I was gonna say doesnt garrote just last as long ?

Thx, that boss is tricky as sin

[marsh fjord]

Yeah its chaos bro

[glad ferry]

Well, mostly just the opener rly

[marsh fjord]

dotting everything doing mechanics

getting chained

[glad ferry]

Only boss I have a blue parse so I'm looking to get a purple atleast this week

[marsh fjord]

Just make sure to not use the second vanish charge and hold that for execute.

[glad ferry]

Been studying

[marsh fjord]

netherprism + DM + vanish with MA

and pot

is a lot of damage

[glad ferry]

Yeah but timing is always tricky

[marsh fjord]

Yeah it is

[vocal cradle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glad ferry]

On lorrgs, ppl use both charges of vanish before intermission

[marsh fjord]

You can def

You just need to make sure

[glad ferry]

Then afterwards only 1 vanish each DM

[marsh fjord]

That you have a vanish with that DM

in execute

[glad ferry]

yeah I mean, it should still line up

[marsh fjord]

It should yeah

[coral ibex]

another week no myth prism in the loot box

[marsh fjord]

your getting it when you kill it this week bro

[coral ibex]

no bro

i just killed it in reclear

[marsh fjord]

oh

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[full sandal]

is a mythc belt better than the proc one?

[marsh fjord]

For now it depends. but in 12.5 yes

I would just sim it

[glad ruin]

should netherprism be used on CD?

[marsh fjord]

No

You use it with vanish on FB

and deathmark on DS

[glad ruin]

FB?

[marsh fjord]

fatebound

DS: deathstalker

Fb: fatebound

[glad ruin]

Thank you

[devout hazel]

can anyone that is good with sims help me

[marsh fjord]

Im not to great at them but i can always try to help you if you want

[devout hazel]

i want to sim the best use of my crests wheter do i craft or upgrade things

can u sim it for me?

[marsh fjord]

I can't sim that for you but you can sim that yourself in top gear.

You just say how much gilded you have on the top

and then sim it

[main bridge]

help = do it for me

[devout hazel]

yes but i wouldnt let me pick another piece of gear at max level

[marsh fjord]

and if you wanna know what to craft

[devout hazel]

if i alredy used my crests in the sim

[marsh fjord]

its dagger + wrist.

[devout hazel]

i have that alr

neck is also overall bis

[marsh fjord]

Then you can do multiple sims of the same item with multiple stats and see what the biggest upgrade is.

[devout hazel]

crafted one

[oak tangle]

i can almost gurantee it's not your bis though

there is probably a very huge list of sidegrade sims to that bis list, and that is just the top gear permutation. but you really can't worry about a bis list until you have all items on it

sim as you go

obviously weapons and trinkets being such a large part of dps means you can generally trust that, but stats are just a clusterfuck

the next level of cooked is when you consider you don't play like the sim at all, and inherently the stats it says can't be fully trusted XD

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/vault-shrek-bonvaultatous-falkou-s3-gif-18003998478798665841

[errant heath]

Could someone review my log. I could only find a small error on the 2nd DM where I used DM before Shiv
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gQbK7ayrhfvpVnj4?fight=35&type=casts&source=26&view=timeline

[hollow vessel]

Do augs affect in some way your logs?

[muted agate]

I feel llike Fatebound continues to get more bugged lol. I have some pulls everything fires off and I crank, then some I sink on the meter lol

It feels worse every week

'maybe I'm dramatic

[oak tangle]

send logs, i'm sure its not bugs

[astral sandal]

just full cleared on assa and the amount of desynced cooldowns i got made me want to pull out my eyeballs with spoons

idk how people deal with this

[oak tangle]

you are having smallish 10s gaps between cd's slowly pushing back, you could have had a second dm at the end

[astral sandal]

it is definitely still extremely bugged

[oak tangle]

sure, but a variance like that between pulls is not bugs, cause you can just wait and not slam your bugged cd's

[astral sandal]

oh okay i definitely read your message without context

[errant heath]

You mean I’m not hitting them as they come up? I think in one of the cases I had the wall break so I was way far in the back for the KB.

[oak tangle]

yeah, i mean i tihnk it's ok, you had an execute dm, but i think it mighth ave been better to send it before execute and have the last be a dm. it would have been perfecting timings to send on cd

[hot pasture]

in fractilus can u break wall and shadowstep at the same time?

[umbral sierra]

anyone know the ppm for wep enchants? mostly looking at the secondary stat ones

[golden loom]

Ye

[grim jay]

Wowhead sometimes has them

Tho its rather irrelevant

[marsh fjord]

if i craft ring or neck its gonna be a 0.5% upgrade. nexus king mythic neck is only a 0,4% upgrade, the araz ring is 0,6% Would you guys just craft neck here then?

[analog field]

both at 704 ?

i mean stamina can be a factor when dps is practically the same

[marsh fjord]

What i simmed is all at the highest IL fully upgraded

So the crafted stuff is 720

and rest is 723

[analog field]

what you have now is 704 ?

[marsh fjord]

yeah

[analog field]

also if one is champion maybe better than the hero e.g.

[marsh fjord]

But typically speaking i wouldnt replace the neck since its a upgrade

and its better then the nexus king myth one

[analog field]

yeah but in the range of margin errors but yeah go with it

also more difficult to acquire probably

[severe meadow]

I mean when are you going to kill salad bar on mythic

[marsh fjord]

Quite soon. but its still 0.1% less

then the crafted one

And the ring of araz is 0.1% higher then the crafted one

Its so small of a difference that it does not matter

so im just gonna craft neck

[sterile jackal]

would you pick myth track lily or heroic prism (i have a lfr one)?

[oak tangle]

i'd probs take prism

but i dual spec sub

[sterile jackal]

i swapped from sin to outlaw last week, so naturally i got a great sin vault 😄

[oak tangle]

trying to learn holy paladin as an alt

this fucking class has so many buttons

how is ret so fuckign dumb

[red schooner]

Because you don't need to use most of the buttons

[oak tangle]

i actually hate lay on hands

holy shit

dedicate a fuckign button to a 7 min cd

[balmy condor]

Every class in Maplestory has a major cooldown on a 6 min cd

:3

[oak tangle]

does it have 30 fucking blessing skills

[balmy condor]

I mean kinda yeah but you just macro everything

[oak tangle]

like individually all these things are cool and useful

but there is too many

suissearmypaladin

dafuq is this shit

[marsh fjord]

Its cleanse

you can cleanse a target

[oak tangle]

why can't i fucking bind it to click cast

[marsh fjord]

No idea mabye because you gotta click a target for it first or make a mouseover for it

[oak tangle]

i'm like 100% sure i can bind other cleanses on my other healers

[marsh fjord]

Assa player discovers holy paladin in the year 2025

[oak tangle]

bro this spec had a rework

how is it still so bad

paladins are just different breed of people ig

[humble verge]

i wouldve wished for something else

but i guess im picking up the ring

[oak tangle]

boots for mog

[humble verge]

i have the wrists

they "fit" with my raphael mog

idk

[hearty seal]

man I remember FFXI having two hour CDs

[humble verge]

whar

[hearty seal]

it's mostly a comment on pallies having a 7-min CD

[humble verge]

ohlol

[oak tangle]

7 min cd on a spell that if used on a paladin, can ensure they can't use their immunity, and then die

next time im in a group with a ret, ima loh or bop them right before something

[hearty seal]

because WoW design is, in most cases, built upon existing playerbases
ret was always stupid as fuck ever since Wrath (and before Wrath, it was a gimmick spec for people who didn't want to play a real damage dealer)
but the "healer with the fewest braincells" was always either holy priest or resto druid, and hpal was...kinda more advanced once healers became more than "downcast heals to not run out of mana - that's your entire skill ceiling"

[oak tangle]

get fucked pink bozo

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cKtkycws9o1dLaeYpoi4QN looks like im picking up belt lmao

[hearty seal]

neat
had an Ara myth sac this vault, but it's no longer worth

so I just took myth pants and contented myself with reaching 14kk HP this week (yeah I know it doesn't mean anything, but it's a nice round number)

[red schooner]

I'm waiting to destroy my third antenna

[oak tangle]

i got mastery crit shoulders

[hearty seal]

in hindsight this has been a pretty good season for vault aside from socket week early on
myth head, chest, pants, shoulders, pacemaker

[red schooner]

So far I've not had a bad vault, but the socket is coming

It comes for us all in the end

[oak tangle]

need a socket vault some time

how else you get a bis head / wrists

[red schooner]

Just get them with a socket already in them

Clearly

[lyric vale]

My vaults were shit

Since week one

[grim jay]

Ngl at this point the vault doesnt even need to be bad for taking a socket

[lyric vale]

Im still rocking with heroic netherprism

And heroic antenna

Oh my bad

Champion

Both of them

[grim jay]

Im limited to 4 "specific" items rn

To get an upgrade

Other than socket

Didnt even sim how much socket is worth tbh

[red schooner]

I just want all myth track and then I can stop playing m+

[grim jay]

I can only get myth effect boots, one ring or both trinkets on mythic

3 of which are raid loot

[red schooner]

I have some tier slots I can still get

And cats charges, so the spam continues

[cunning needle]

just pretend like youre playing a rogue

except you do finishers on your allies

[grim jay]

Am not really sweaty for the last slots ngl

Same trinkets heroic to mythic arent really that big of an upgrade in the grand scheme of actual performance

And with dinars I will get them eventually

Ring can be crafted

[shy axle]

is there anything you need to game with antenna or just let it do its thing passively?

[red schooner]

I have.... Shoulders, neck, ring, legs and boots to get myth track, and then I can return to my natural habitat which is raidlogging

Probably gonna craft neck and ring dependant on drops etc

[grim jay]

Gotta collect it at some point

[grim jay]

Ye those are good slots for crafting

[shy axle]

i thought they just slowly get to you

[grim jay]

You can still dodge them

Since they have a duration and you sometimes move

[shy axle]

thank you, good to know

[red schooner]

I have the sparks I've just always had items I could upgrade so it felt like a waste

[dreamy skiff]

araz cooked on sim, any helper ?

[marsh fjord]

Do you play more for raid

or more for m+

and did you sim in fatebound?

[red schooner]

Given the signet of the priory there, I hope not

[marsh fjord]

Well i think he simmed in DS which would make sense why araz would be highest

[dreamy skiff]

m+

[marsh fjord]

Then i would take forge yes

[dense willow]

Gang

Got a myth so leah secret technique which is simming higher than my heroic astral atenna

do I take it or do I take the tokens

[static glacier]

first myth track trinket on my rogue

[red schooner]

How much higher we talking?

[rotund oasis]

in an aoe situation in bleed build/keys am I looking to just max spread rupture or just enough for scent and go into splatter + cycle mark

[dense willow]

0.2%

[red schooner]

That feels like margin of error or close enough.

[static glacier]

it varies, i like to spread more ruptures - like 7-9-12ish but if only longlived mobs. if the longlived mob is 2 targets then id just go 5 rup and ct > env

[rotund oasis]

thanks

[static glacier]

important thing is to get 5 for scent and energy then secondarily plan to have the last mob to die have rupture on it

[rotund oasis]

yeah i think its just sometimes hard to judge when to send ct -> shiv -> dm when you have like a 20 mob pull at the start of a key

[static glacier]

that's the beauty of sin

[rotund oasis]

in the like +15 range where it lives maybe 45 seconds

[static glacier]

we have flexibility in how we deal dps

and picking the right spells for the situation in the optimal order can gain you a lot of dps

stuff like using rup > ct if there's a lot of short lived mobs

[gloomy heart]

is deathless runs hard at all or just need a coordinated group ?

[static glacier]

latter

[fading elbow]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[static glacier]

@main bobcat

[main bobcat]

earthen craftsmanship

[static glacier]

Earthen craftsmanship

[gloomy heart]

my ears….

[gloomy heart]

…

why did i click it again

[hearty seal]

wonder if this is the final vault of the expac for me tbh
depends on the raid

[gloomy heart]

no.

[static glacier]

yall downing dimmy soon?

[hearty seal]

considering I'm in a Heroic-only guild, I should fuckin' hope so
though last Sunday wasn't very inspiring

[static glacier]

oh lol

I forgot a lot of people raid hc

[hearty seal]

yeah I'm not hardcore at all
get 3k, get AotC, bail till next season

[static glacier]

pretty good life ngl

around for the most fun parts of the season then dip early for other games

[hearty seal]

p much yeah
helps avoid burnout, too

[prime hull]

why is jastor so op that a 723 logic gate omega is simming within 0.1% of it -_-

[pliant remnant]

Do you have like 0 Mastery

[prime hull]

im replacing it with an identically haste/mastery statted ring at 723 ilvl

and its tied

so my stats should not be a consideration

[marsh fjord]

Doesnt it kinda make sense then john?

Just think about it

[prime hull]

684 ilvl vs 723 ilvl

[marsh fjord]

A identically statted ring.

and a ring

that gives you extra stat

not even talking about the fact that jastors is bugged

and sometimes it procs and something it doesnt at all.

[prime hull]

i havent really had that bug since i have the equip/unequip WA after every wipe in raid

[marsh fjord]

Well. i dont really know what to say else. jastors sims very well because of the reasons i just explained to you. the extra stat. and item level on rings doesnt do jack shit

[prime hull]

yes but on my other 3 chars its been replaced by 704-710 rings, not on my assa rogue though

[marsh fjord]

And do you know why that is?

because assa rogue gives really little about stats

So the difference in margin is less

Lets say im a unholy DK and i need haste/mastery A LOT

[prime hull]

well kinda, we want a ton of crit/mast

[marsh fjord]

No.

Not really

[grim jay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[prime hull]

my sim was pushing crit super high until i got antenna this week

[red schooner]

We want whatever the robot demands of us.

[prime hull]

i understand how stats work

[marsh fjord]

Im not saying

Listen for me for a sec

im not saying that crit and mastery arent thebest stats

they are

[prime hull]

even on my ww monk which also has pretty balanced stats

[marsh fjord]

But the difference in other stats

[prime hull]

it got replaced by 704 rings

[marsh fjord]

matter so little on assa

that the sim is gonna be less

[scarlet orbit]

could you post the sim in here? Would be interested in it

[marsh fjord]

as example i used on the unholy DK

unholy DK need mastery/haste

if it gets something else thats a huge big sim difference

but assa just wants everything

and the difference between all the stats are so little.

Whispyr made a video a while back

Where he highlighted different crafts. and he did over 10k itterations

and they were all side grades.

0,1 0,2 0,3 difference

And he used every stat

From vers/mastery to crit/haste

TLDR: stats matter very little on assa and thats why the sim is less then other spec's like you highlighted on WW

[faint quartz]

I have one catalyst charge left, with a Myth chest in the bank ready to be catalysed. My 4 piece is all Hero.
Do I use that charge on the chest, and take Sacbrood, or do I take the Myth chest piece and save the charge?

[marsh fjord]

Hmmm interesting

What are your current trinkets if i may ask

because sac brood isn't really used by Assa

[faint quartz]

So'leah's Secret Technique and Cursed Stone Idol, both at Hero track

[fathom flax]

can anyone help me with a good wa to stop me bricking myself on fate

[prime hull]

i would say yes with the caveat once you get enough crit mast, because sims were hard pushing stuff like the logic gate ring with +150k dps gain until i got an antenna

[fathom flax]

to help avoid the CDR bug

[prime hull]

fatebound in particular is very crit hungry

[marsh fjord]

Hmm interesting. there are two options you can go for.

Save the charge, get the tier piece and farm floodgate for pacemaker. on 7's

Get the ara kara use the charge. and down the line swap around the ara kara because you wont be using it if you get better trinkets

[marsh fjord]

I'm not saying it isnt. im just saying that stats matter little on Assa and thats why the sim is showing less. and since its a ring. it matters even more less

[marsh fjord]

i would just track CB

and look at your CB timings

[red schooner]

Just use any wa pack that tracks coldblood

And use cold blood as your baseline for CDs

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-uno-reverse-gif-17446620327982597857

[red schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-yugi-gif-17998675

[marsh fjord]

damn that brings some memory

[red schooner]

Also I didn't scroll down I just saw the question and answered

[marsh fjord]

hahaha i thought so

[grim jay]

You mean scrolled up

[red schooner]

No

[golden loom]

I mean if you have a myth chest already you dont take the chest

You get another charge next week, and after turbo boost it will rain cata charges

[red schooner]

Phone discord, sometimes if I tab back into the app it leaves me in the middle of the conversation and not at the latest message

So

[normal mist]

Don't you love it when you answer something just to realize it was 20 messages ago?

[red schooner]

Its great. Or that one time I answered something 2 hours later

[hoary scroll]

If my cold blood and kingsbane desync should I just wait for cb and then use kb+cb together? Or send kb alone and then sent it together with dm and cb?

[marsh fjord]

your cold blood can never desync

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/people-who-don't-know-vs-people-who-know-those-who-don't-know-vs-those-who-know-gif-18075947697117816471

[marsh fjord]

hahahahaha

[marsh fjord]

But to answer your qeustion

[static glacier]

but ye the answer is wait for cb to press kb

[marsh fjord]

What mo said

[hoary scroll]

I mean kb

[marsh fjord]

You look at your CB timer and you play of that

[scenic plank]

Hello peeps ! finaly got good trinket choice in vault, for now i have normal antenna and prism, simming tells me that Myth lily is not better than current trinkets, so i wanted to confirm here !

I thought lilly of ternal weave was BIS for mastery, no longer the case ?

i'm not trusting the sim that much because i still have shitty gear, not really good stat wise

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gEL4K9azDphKEcsiFSuMWT

[sharp viper]

you didn't opt in for the lily to be upgraded to max ilvl - which is the main benefit of myth track items

[scenic plank]

aw shit i thought i did, thanks for poiting that out, resimming

[sharp viper]

also you didnt put any sockets on your rings and neck

[runic hinge]

Who needs em

Gems are overrated

[sharp viper]

and delve belt could potentially be an upgrade despite ilvl loss

[scenic plank]

i'm a lazy simmer :/ would that impact the outcome of trinkets ? i'm guessig stats do change a lot.

And I resimmed with lilly max upgraded https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/46XSwm2X6iWeC1KNavQxZ8, it just sucks ass

[grim jay]

Its a 1.5min trinket

On a 2 min spec

Compared to prism which fits any CD length

Lily is a fatebound trinket, which in turn means its a raid trinket and for 1.5min CDs

You are simming for dungeons, which is deathstalker, so 2 min

[manic quartz]

Got prism from frac and now got it from vault👍

[scenic plank]

that does make sens, i've been wanting to try sub too so i'll see how that works out, kill loom HC for a chance to drop antenna and then pick from vault

thanks peeps

[grim jay]

I can already tell you that prism is way better than lily on sub

You can however play double on use, but even there araz is better than lily as a 2nd

[midnight scroll]

[sharp viper]

[weary stump]

[rotund oak]

[glacial stump]

[red schooner]

[golden loom]

skipped a antenna @red schooner

[red schooner]

Now skip a second one

And join me

In probably being gkicked

[golden loom]

this was the week of trinkets in vault tho

myth pacemaker in dk and warrior vault, antenna in rogue vault, myth sacbrood in dh and hunter vaults

[jolly stirrup]

[oak tangle]

WE DID IT

we got soul hunters boots

[weary stump]

Powerful

[normal mist]

I had a shit vault on both my Rogue and my monk. I'm considering getting half a spark and just craft a 720 on both those characters

[oak tangle]

next mission a prism better than champ

wait oyu can get sparks from vault?

[normal mist]

Half

[oak tangle]

i wonder if any rwf woulda taken that from first week to get a 2h 720

[normal mist]

Iirc

[oak tangle]

oh

nvm then

[normal mist]

This is a half week

So I would get a full craft I believe

[oak tangle]

ye

inb4 it's just a catch up mechanic

[normal mist]

Would be weird because you can always catch up

My monk had all 4 sparks last week

But that's something to think about

@spice surge do you happen to know if one could just buy half spark or are they just catch up only?

[jade abyss]

Everytime i want to play a other character but after some hours i go back to rogue and dont play anything else

[normal mist]

I rarely play Alts

Played fury in s2

And I'm playing brew in s3

[vital haven]

yes

[royal lantern]

bruh, 3rd dead vault in a row

[vital haven]

they cost the tokens of my vault sucked though

[royal lantern]

[vital haven]

outlaw weap

[normal mist]

If that's the case then I'll just grab half a spark and craft a neck

[frigid kestrel]

Gotta do a pre vault ritual and you’ll be gucci. Pre-pot, drums, lucky duck, bring out a rabbit and wear the lucky goblin rocket.

I dead ass did that just for shits and giggle for a friend and got lucky.

[alpine glade]

thoughts? I have a Champ Ritual Forge and Mythic Pacemaker, mainly gearing for M+

[royal lantern]

sim....?

[alpine glade]

fair

[royal lantern]

idk how good idol is

and never heared about the claw, so it cant be good tbh

[frigid kestrel]

Idol is decent for M+

Nothing super amazing

[sharp trellis]

For raid or m+ content, can you play prism with deathmark macro or should you hold for max charge to get the value ?

[arctic pivot]

This 3.5hr assassination encyclopedia video by whispyr is so sick

Someone in dornogal told me to look it up and they were absolutely right lessgo

[feral mason]

outluh trinket but it doesnt work sometimes

[arctic pivot]

Started gearing my rogue for the first time in years thinking the burst from sub looked super fun for m+ but when I logged in I was in assassination spec and I haven't swapped off it yet

[feral mason]

wouldnt even consider thinking about it

[fallow canopy]

boots are a nice mog tho

[red schooner]

I saw the channel time and instantly wrote it off as a trinket I want to use

What am I? A caster?

[normal mist]

Props to that guy

Smart one

[oak tangle]

@balmy condor ^ look up for ego inflation

[feral mason]

Oh

Naw stone idol is pretty good for some classes

Was talking about warpclaw

[red schooner]

Ah.

Dunno it never dropped so I never looked at it

Can't yearn for what you don't know about

[royal lantern]

yes

but i have them on heroic allready

aka can upgrade them when mythic crests have no use anymore for the mythic tmog

[fleet pagoda]

can't get a bad vault if you never open it again

[flint shadow]

Thank you so much! I'll pay attention to all details brought.

About combo points wasted, when i've 5 or + do I use finishing or create new combo points into max before executing?

[ancient ingot]

holy moly guys, im confused, what should i take

[oak tangle]

i only know what one of those items is

[weary stump]

This English looks funny

[ancient ingot]

ahahha

[oak tangle]

is that 3rd m+ one even a dagger or is that a sword

[ancient ingot]

m+ dagger

[main bridge]

pants, prism, gloves
some kinda shoulder, radiant necromancer band, dagger

[oak tangle]

surely the prism, you can just m+ some legs and catalyse

[ancient ingot]

i also like ring

[tranquil jungle]

prism is 1.7% at 723 comparing to a 710 its a big upgrade

more than 2% for u

[oak tangle]

that's a hero prism

[weary stump]

The heroic pyramid

[oak tangle]

they have a champ one

[ancient ingot]

ig im going HC and maybeeee i get new prism (0 chance)

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/pondering-pondering-my-orb-my-orb-orb-pondering-my-pondering-my-orb-orb-gif-24060364

waiting for my officers to either praise us or hate us (extend or reclear)

[weary stump]

They will extend

[oak tangle]

for those that have dont the first few

is the next bosses easier than plexus

[analog field]

3rd one yes

imo

[weary stump]

Soulbinder yes

[oak tangle]

we were hitting enrage timer

[analog field]

but if you were having hard time on plexus you may have there too

[weary stump]

Loom depends on your ranged DPS being cracked or you'll hate life

[oak tangle]

i think plexus was a familiarity issue

we have good dps

normally

[weary stump]

Can your people all do tether mechanics

[analog field]

dpsing plexus is very easy

[oak tangle]

i'd imagine so

[analog field]

soulbinder may be harder on that aspect

[weary stump]

Ezpz then

[analog field]

you have to manage adds

more mechanics in general

[weary stump]

Soulbinder if you have a lot of cleave isn't too much to think about though tbf

[ancient ingot]

hero prism better then champion on 0.6 i sim

[oak tangle]

the problem we had on plexus was peeps not cd'ing the shield, so i had to hold

[analog field]

yeah but you dont need to cd's the shield 😛

i mean no one needs

if you have 15 people hittint

[weary stump]

Yeah, shield isn't bad so long as no one dead

[oak tangle]

yeah i think it was more healers first time there, usssing cd's

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/m3dGMtTvHRDp1L8y?fight=31&type=damage-done our log if you're interested

[weary stump]

Also when you get to loom

Reminder to ask would they do mothussy

So your group looks at you weird

[humble verge]

why are people taking

1k for 675 crafts

wtf is this

[weary stump]

Free money from the hoes

[oak tangle]

this our shield damage

[royal lantern]

you mean 1k is too much?

[humble verge]

like

do they even use anything on it

like sure

[main bridge]

i give crafters 1k for everything

[humble verge]

i can spend like 3-5k for 720 craft

in tip

[royal lantern]

no

[humble verge]

but im not giving u 1k for 675

xDDD

are u insane

[main bridge]

that's your choice but you def don't have to do it

[weary stump]

How do you have two locks doing that poorly in plexus

[humble verge]

if im crafting like

[royal lantern]

well, then do it yourself?

[humble verge]

10 items

[royal lantern]

whats the problem lol

[oak tangle]

that was shield only

[humble verge]

idk

[royal lantern]

people spend gold getting their proffs up and want some payment for it

its 1k lol

[humble verge]

i did 675 crafts first week

[weary stump]

Even without shield they're grey af parse wise

[humble verge]

and got most for free cause they already got money from other crafts

[weary stump]

[humble verge]

but like idk

[humble verge]

yeye ofc

[oak tangle]

one died ig,

[humble verge]

but like, for the general user even 1k is a lot, if you youre just doing casual wow xd

[royal lantern]

1k is literally a single gold reward worldquest btw

[weary stump]

Fair I suppose, but fear

[royal lantern]

bruh

[humble verge]

where in the fuck have you seen this 😭

well nvm they are 800g but

who in their life actually does wq this late

[oak tangle]

i was happy with a 54, based on the attrocious kill time and holding, I plan not to save cd's this week

[royal lantern]

1k is allot btw

[weary stump]

Yeah like repairs now are like what 700g?

[humble verge]

nah

from 0% its like

1500

i believe

[royal lantern]

more players do WQ then m+ and raids will ever be done mate lol

[humble verge]

the average casual doing m+

would struggle with repairs

[weary stump]

Yeah 54 is good for being forced to scuff rotation

[humble verge]

ig

[humble verge]

hm i guess

[royal lantern]

the average casual doesnt do m+

[humble verge]

well

the average casual has done a +2 tho

i hope

[weary stump]

Also reminding me that I'm only lvl 10 rep for karesh and need to wq for the funny Augment rune

[oak tangle]

stuff trying to get that

[royal lantern]

im pretty sure the answer for that is "no"

like, reminder that getting curve puts you into the top20-25% of players

and killing 2-3 mythic bosses into the top 1% lol

[humble verge]

but this is 65% of players on raiderio tho

[weary stump]

At this point in the season I bet it's harder to time a +3 than a +12 just due to people doing said content too

[royal lantern]

thats 65% of people THAT DID M+

[weary stump]

But remember the people that don't use raider io

[royal lantern]

not of total players

[humble verge]

yeah i know

[oak tangle]

i rolled into a 5 today on my 660 holy pal

[humble verge]

also its not about raiderio

[oak tangle]

i struggled to find people to heal

[humble verge]

its just the people who has done m+

on rio

[weary stump]

Ah fair

[humble verge]

but then again

is rio calculating in ONLY lvl 80s for this?

or all of rio database

id guess only 80

[runic hinge]

It’s only 80 who have been scanned by anyone else’s addon

[weary stump]

I think it's just anyone who has touched a single +2

[runic hinge]

Lots of casuals never touching a m+

Way more than do m+

[weary stump]

The mass of hunters that just do wqs and collect pokemon

[runic hinge]

Real. And I salute them

They don’t need the degeneracy I have in my life

[weary stump]

They really play a different video game yeah

[royal lantern]

you know what i need?

Stu 🐦‍⬛

[weary stump]

Lads having fun, no toxic existence in their gameplay

Just collecting the funny doggies

[royal lantern]

@spice spire

[fallen orbit]

guys what class has biggest funnel rn ? and by any chance do you know % ??

ň

[normal mist]

Probably dh

From what I've heard

[snow kindle]

our DH preaches about his funnel in keys

[weary stump]

Cook because they need to funnel soup into the beledar bounties

[spice surge]

Assa, havoc and arcane have the highest funnel. Percentagewise its probably assa but thats moreso because the pure ST from assa is just so horrendously downbad

[acoustic sky]

i'm simming 40k than last week evern tho i upgraded my hands from 704 to 723

[oak tangle]

i don't even know how arecane funnels

but i play it

lol

[cobalt tangle]

if rbots is simming higher with lily and prism together, whats the best way to use both on use trinkets in the rotation? other trinkets that i have are araz forge and void fragment from delves

fatebound wise

[humble verge]

aaaaaan

its extend

[languid gate]

So what we going for?, Pacemaker or Ara?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/spvTcsgCSRJinmZ5ZA9Vm2
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/85i5egoFDBb36hdAC3UGcz

1st sim is ST
2nd sim is AOE

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/bVGuXZjRXGn.gif

[jolly stirrup]

Your Talents are wrong for ST

We play FB, you also have Caustic in there

[analog field]

caustic is irrelevant like 100k dps difference

[runic hinge]

I need that 1.6% dps from IB or someone will tell me my sim is small

[fresh kelp]

It’s target count dependent. Arcane doesn’t get much past 5 but is certainly the best at that number, assa is soft capped past 8 mostly, havocs biggest funnel tool only has the 20 soft cap iirc

[languid gate]

Well i am playing only M+, so it‘s the M+ Build

[fresh kelp]

so arcane on low target then assa/havoc at some higher target numbers exchange places

[analog field]

so you cant sim st only dungeonslice if you want for m_

[languid gate]

Well i always hear that u should not sim dungeonslice

[analog field]

not for rogues

fire mage uses 5 targets

[languid gate]

Oh ok, that i didnt knew, so i can simply do 1 dungeonslice sim with both trinkets compared and thats it?

[analog field]

yeah thats right

[jolly stirrup]

Well that I didn't know

[shy axle]

do you prefer deathstalker or fatebound + splatter on araz ?

[red schooner]

Fatebound + spatter

[analog field]

we prefer ds but it is not working

[south prawn]

guys where is my mutilate 😮

[oak tangle]

press p

[south prawn]

I cant tell if im severely stupid

or there is something going on

[oak tangle]

are you in stealth, and it's become ambush?

[humble verge]

my guild wants so kill dim

before turbo

[oak tangle]

dafuq

[south prawn]

im not even in stealth