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prisma monolithBOT
golden loom
the 45 sec cd is probably there as a remenant of this
royal lantern
do what
what is the problem
that some people think that no stealth = they cant do anything, because they never bothered actually looking at a dmg breakdown?
and also act as if they can "never stealth" which is just not true and they should stop crying cus they had 2 pulls in a dungeon where they didnt press stealth?
like, its insane how often people here scream "omg i can NEVER stealth at all!!!!!" meanwhile i legit never see that happen anywhere, most tanks play half asleep anyway and pull very slow, so it ends with maybe 1-2 packs where its no stealth opener lol
are the problems they can and should adress? yeha sure, 100%
candid token
Did they can the Delve Belts yet? Sims say Myth track belt is suddenly better now
royal lantern
but jfc this entire OMG NO STEALTH EVER ITS SO BAD bullshit is just exhausting at this point, learn your fucking spec instead of overreacting to 2 bad pulls in a dungeon lol
royal lantern
Did they can the Delve Belts yet? Sims say Myth track belt is suddenly better no...
mythic belts where allready kinda outdoing it from patch launch allready, and they nerfed the delve belt a couple weeks ago yeha
golden loom
what
royal lantern
so mythic belt->you replace the DISC belt
candid token
Aight thankyuu
golden loom
the disc belt nerf comes with 11.2.5
royal lantern
the disc belt nerf comes with 11.2.5
huh?
golden loom
its not nerfed on live
candid token
Maybe they just updated it on Raidbots in preparation then
royal lantern
well, you still replace the disc belt with a mythic belt on assa anyway 
golden loom
upgrading my myth belt to 6/6 is only 0.4% so havent yet
royal lantern
Maybe they just updated it on Raidbots in preparation then
i mean, raidbots pulls from life data, they dont do "stuff in advance"
golden loom
but lets say you are sitting on crests that u have no other item to slam into
then just upgrade belt I guess
golden loom
but if you have other pieces, odds are that putting crests there is gonna be way better
candid token
yee
royal lantern
upgrading my myth belt to 6/6 is only 0.4% so havent yet
first boss mythic belt was allready ~1% when it was 3/6 for me
urban wren
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
golden loom
glossy mirage
What is the stat % supposed to look like for assassination rogue in keys? Cant find it on wow head
spice surge
thats not something thats relevant
Thats why its not on wowhead
Just sim yourself, it largely doesnt matter
real dragon
What trinkets are you guys using for 10+ keys
shrewd night
The ones that sim the best for group content 
analog field
if i craft neck can i upgrade my 704 to 710 only with valorstones ?
pure moth
if i craft neck can i upgrade my 704 to 710 only with valorstones ?
Yes. But why would you need to if you're crafting neck anyways.
analog field
for m+ it is like 1-1.5 better but for st i have the one with the huge crit which is like 0.3 better at 704 so i was thinking taking this to 710 and keeping it for raid
pure moth
Fair
analog field
i could craft ring but it drops from plexus so i think i should wait for the ring
normal mist
The hair and the glasses :3
analog field
isnt the prism showing weaker because of 5min sim ? If it was 6 wouldn't it be better?
static glacier
but jfc this entire OMG NO STEALTH EVER ITS SO BAD bullshit is just exhausting a...
tbh they need to actually make it a damage issue as opposed to what it is which is massive degeneration of gameplay
it's clear they're not ok with fok > rupture being the primary aoe gameplay for this spec, they'd never have introduced IC in any of its forms otherwise
doesn't matter if ct is so much of your dmg that other bleeds purpose is relegated to energy for sang blades / agi from scent with the damage being secondary
not getting the restealth feels a ton worse than it actually is, and that is imo an even bigger problem than it having dmg tied to it or not
it's like reverse fire mage, you can not get stealth, press fok > ct > look at meters an you'll be doing fine
fire you press 10 million apm, feel like you've r1 parsed the pack and you're bottom
hearty seal
pretty much
hitting nail on the head
royal lantern
it's clear they're not ok with fok > rupture being the primary aoe gameplay for ...
what has IC to do with that
thats spatter, not IC, IC is a speed up
if they would not want dots to do more dmg in aoe, IC would straight up not exist in the first place
hearty seal
what has IC to do with that
thats spatter, not IC, IC is a speed up
it's about having a new pack pulled and spreading Rupture for Scent+energy without IC
IC exists so that you wouldn't have to FoK+Rupture five times in a row to get Scent+Venomous going
golden loom
remove IC and make fok give cp based on targets hit like storm 
hearty seal
remove IC and make fok give cp based on targets hit like storm <:cat_thumbsup:11...
it...pretty much already does, just crit-based
golden loom
yes thats not the same thing
hearty seal
like the only thing it would change from the typical non-IC pull
you'd always FoK+Rupture rather than FoK+(look at combo, possibly FoK again)+Rupture
it would still be 10 seconds of FoK+Rupture, just a consistent 10 seconds rather than 10-15 seconds based on how lucky you are
static glacier
what has IC to do with that
thats spatter, not IC, IC is a speed up
ic has everything to do with it
speeding up aka removing the gameplay
wise whale
cock tbh
marsh fjord
They just gotta remove IC and always let us apply 3 bleeds per cast
normal mist
i dont usually ask for a minimun fee, "whatever you can afford"
normal mist
idk and trust me, i don't care either
xD
sometimes i just say "send to my alt X" and log out and wait for the WO
main bridge
i always choose the first person that doesn't say that because it takes too long for people to switch
strange python
how does everyone find the antenna in m+ ? i feel i do way more consistent damage with e.g. pacemaker
normal mist
not being required to collect the orbs does make things easier
jaunty sky
Also pace is often up for the opening burst
But i havent gotten an antenna yet so idk 
royal lantern
not being required to collect the orbs does make things easier
tbf, you never are required to do it
simply cus they will be collected by you standing still and hitting stuff
jade abyss
i dont usually ask for a minimun fee, "whatever you can afford"
Looks like df for me im happy to get 2k from people xS df was so good was always 10-30k some people gave me 80k was a awesome time :(
normal mist
Looks like df for me im happy to get 2k from people xS df was so good was always...
this guys gave me 2.5k, one guy 5 mins ago gave me 5k
it slowly adds up
but yes i still remember DF S1/2 prices
i was doing SO MUCH GOLD
jade abyss
You whisper them by your self D:
jade abyss
i was doing SO MUCH GOLD
Yeah i was crafting toxic boots always for 30k + season 2 and 15k in s3
analog field
is it normal myth boosts simming a bit better than heroic soul hunters?
jaunty sky
having LW totally maxed means i can do literally everything
i'm def craftin some more next season
made bank with alchemy
think i might go alch+smith/LW/cloth depending on what i wanna play most
transmutation in EA was absolutely insane money
sullen topaz
beside doing the hunt solo with cloak, is there any cool rogue tech im missing on mythic soulhunt? i dont think so, just want to be sure 😄
marsh fjord
is it normal myth boosts simming a bit better than heroic soul hunters?
Are the boots normal or myth can’t be both
Your question does not make a lot of sense are you asking if it’s normal that myth boots are simming better?
main bridge
they must be made of concrete if they are sinking better
marsh fjord
they must be made of concrete if they are sinking better
Fucking auto correct
Hahahaha
analog field
Your question does not make a lot of sense are you asking if it’s normal that my...
sorry meant a random pair of boots
simming bettere than hc soul hunters
marsh fjord
sorry meant a random pair of boots
So your saying that random pair of boots are simming better then soul hunters boots
Are those myth track boots?
analog field
yeah i have myth boots and now got hc soul hunters
marsh fjord
Can you share the sim?
analog field
the soul hunters heroic
marsh fjord
I’m curious
analog field
yeah i will
real pike
Your question does not make a lot of sense are you asking if it’s normal that my...
He means 'normal' myth track boots i.e. non cantrips/effect/etc against heroic hunter boots
And I would expect them to be very similar
marsh fjord
Yeah we established that already
real pike
Maybe hunter boots ahead slightly
marsh fjord
No Idea why you still need to clarify that lol
real pike
I didn't realise there were more messages below the one I replied to but no idea why you want to see the sim particularly
It's as expected n9
No
marsh fjord
To see what the sim is doing?
real pike
Xd
normal mist
I actually don't know if there is ever a world where i want to replace Hero track soulhunter boots for crafted/myth track normal boots
marsh fjord
That’s why I asked for the sim
real pike
I don't think there is
real pike
If it's 6/6 myth boots with better stats for his current build
I can see it being better
real pike
Xd
severe meadow
If it's 6/6 myth boots with better stats for his current build
Nuh uh
Boots strong
hexed root
!logs
prisma monolithBOT
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hexed root
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lul
oak tangle
poggo, we added to my orange parses this week on heroic
oak tangle
why a 6 min sim just curious
analog field
yeah for prism
oak tangle
i feel like that's a shit timing
jade abyss
Im maxed aswell maybe german players a more stingy :D
oak tangle
cause like sure 6th min it's got stacks, but it ends before you can use them
you'd want 6.5min, or 4 min
analog field
yeah i am gonna try again
oak tangle
maybe there is a version of this, but is there a tool that lets you plug in your choice of cd timings and send out the sim of that
i feel like that would be a good tool
like some kind of custom fight mode on raidbots
if i knew how to tinker with the api to do that i would, but i am not a smart man
scenic horizon
Played Deathstalker so long I keep opening with ambush. I need to Pavlov myself out of this
analog field
doesn't matter tho
jolly stirrup
^
normal mist
Hardmode Cleared for this shit
why is that shit
lament bolt
Wait until you Pavlov yourself the other way and open with ambush on a DS fight x_x
*with garrote
royal lantern
why is that shit
probs cus vers/haste is a kinda weird combo for rings, even for assa
normal mist
My sims are kinda asking me for both of those stats at the moment so i dont find it weird 🙁
royal lantern
dont mind me, still waiting for a mythic weapon :3
analog field
still waiting to do a deathless run
analog field
i have cheat death but i havent tried to run with 5 rogues yet
coral ibex
my only full run was bricked by my healer blind guessing the oasis password incorrectly
week 1
austere robin
Noob question, do you keep Crimson Tempest up on ST with the Bleed build in M+?
coral ibex
because that worked for him in the only other streets run he had done
we didnt die otherwise
shy heron
my only full run was bricked by my healer blind guessing the oasis password inco...
Ummmmmmmm? Littlewigs and dbm literally pick the right answer
austere robin
thx!
coral ibex
Ummmmmmmm? Littlewigs and dbm literally pick the right answer
not without doing the rp first
shy heron
Same still got my perfectly forged credentials
analog field
week 1 you die yeah
shy heron
If it works I guess you just go in
analog field
maybe now you can survive
shy heron
Does it just sicc a ton of adds on you?
shy heron
Ah
main bridge
oak tangle
he smacks you
can we evasion it?
analog field
tbh never tried
main bridge
that would be a funny strategy
i wonder if you could macro submitting the answer and then immediately casting evasion and vanish
tacit marten
Newly coming back to Rogue, what’s the preferred M+ build? Is it just the bleed build, or one of the hybrids? I’ve been running the bleed and while it’s great on trash, I feel like I’m doing next to no damage on bosses
royal lantern
bleed
normal mist
bleed
royal lantern
no dmg on bosses is just assa
the other builds dont do more boss dmg, they do aoe dmg in other ways
tacit marten
Gotcha, appreciate y’all!
analog field
sim suggests running lily mythic and prism 8/8 normal (over seaforium 8/8 normal) we are going to kill loom and go into araz should i play 2 on use ? probably not just asking. Difference is around 0.5
humble verge
are u vanishing on 2min kb? <@191982482642436097>
idk
golden loom
no vanish platform -> vanish damage amp
humble verge
i just have it up
idk
when are we even vanishing
i just have it macroed into kb i think now LUL
real pike
time to do a bit of trolling
Mythic saladbar prog?
humble verge
Mythic saladbar prog?
unfort yes
golden loom
i just have it macroed into kb i think now LUL
aintnoway
clever sparrow
does it matter if i dont cast much spells when i have no cds on FB raid?
like when my KB runs out
is it even worth to spend energy to cast envenom?
lilac lotus
Can someone simplify stats for m+? Guides say more mastery, streamers say more crit, sim says more vers 😂
analog field
robot knows but in general mastery is good and all others are the same i would say
needs a balance of all 3
lilac lotus
Which means I have too much Crit then
analog field
i'd say doesn't really matter but you can throw a sim with a different neck e.g and checjk
hidden crystal
Sim with the gear I’ve got usually puts me around 30ish% crit and 60ish% mastery and it feels comfortable for m+
main bridge
Can someone simplify stats for m+? Guides say more mastery, streamers say more c...
the most simple answer is to sim top gear and not think about stats at all
thorn thorn
static glacier
Can someone simplify stats for m+? Guides say more mastery, streamers say more c...
Highest ilvl is the answer
main bridge
wrong answer though
royal lantern
both are right
golden ravine
Play with the best summing gear you have and try to have fun while aiming for better gear.
royal lantern
golden ravine
Simming *
main bridge
there are situations where a lower ilvl item can sim better
royal lantern
ye sure, trinkets and ring/neck
but lets be real, 99% of the time its just "funny number higher = better"
main bridge
could be anything and that's why "equip highest ilvl" is not correct
golden ravine
And those pesky cantrip items.
main bridge
yeah the soulhunter boots are a perfect example
the jastor ring (before it was bugged) was also another example
royal lantern
the jastor ring (before it was bugged) was also another example
cant know about that, only saw the mythic one
main bridge
well you can because i am sure that was better than the early s3 gear too
clever sparrow
Can someone simplify stats for m+? Guides say more mastery, streamers say more c...
just sim
but ilvl >
sly spoke
anyone else getting absolutely no invites for 17+ no matter what rogue spec
ts so cursed man
runic hinge
Pugging as a dps is like that
coral ibex
not meta, no raid buff, no lust
runic hinge
I’m sure you can go in more class discords and find the same complaint
sullen topaz
ruby shoal
How do you guys use prism in raid, i see the chinese parsers saving it for every other DM and the others doing it on every DM (with exceptions ofc).
neat rain
Hey I wanna craft a ring today with my extra spark but I was curious how do you guys sim crafted rings optimally ?
marsh fjord
Hey I wanna craft a ring today with my extra spark but I was curious how do you ...
You can go to the droptimizer and go the to professions tab and sim it there
or you can type in the ring name
put stats on it
and sim it like that in top gear
neat rain
okay I was messing around with finding the item in top gear but droptimizer might be an easier fix
marsh fjord
How do you guys use prism in raid, i see the chinese parsers saving it for every...
with FB. you use it with your vanish every 3 minutes. and you vanish before your DM
on DS you just use it every 2 minutes
balmy condor
okay I was messing around with finding the item in top gear but droptimizer migh...
Probably top gear is easier cause you get to sim however you want it, in one go
Droptimizer you can’t change the stats so you’d need to run like 10 sims
The ring should be called earthen craft
Something like that
Top gear can also take crests into account, Droptimizer can’t
feral basin
Just checking Im not tripping, we aren't hard playing around sanguine blades are we ? Just trying to maintain when its viable in ST
Aoe its kinda always running
royal lantern
in ST, you ignore it exists
oak tangle
i think i riled up the sub channel whoops
solar wyvern
i think i riled up the sub channel whoops
Dont think you can run away from your crimes
Hehe
normal kayak
evening all
normal mist
yo
normal kayak
Day 473 of broken class
ruby shoal
with FB. you use it with your vanish every 3 minutes. and you vanish before your...
so its best to just macro it to vanish for FB
prisma monolithBOT
Vanishing On Fatebound
- you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
- this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
- because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
- edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
- you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst
oak tangle
You can vanish before ANY of these flips. important line, so vanish timing is for trinket in dm windows
ruby shoal
I was usually vanishing before KB so i guess that was good
oak tangle
as long as it's after the pre dm envenom, and before the first envenom after cold blood
which naturally should not have an envenom between them
ruby shoal
ye i was doing dots>envenom>dm>shiv>vanish>kb
ruby shoal
hmm, shiv aint flipping anything tho
ruby shoal
ohh, i see
ruby shoal
ill give it a try next run ty for help ^^
oak tangle
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bFpJvDNmMPkyYWzK?fight=8&type=damage-done
M...
nearly
lethal lynx
god how am I supposed to save deathmark for bosses if there's some giga pack before the boss with a prio mob
clever sparrow
god how am I supposed to save deathmark for bosses if there's some giga pack bef...
you dont
royal lantern
god how am I supposed to save deathmark for bosses if there's some giga pack bef...
you dont? why would you wait with cds
clever sparrow
like bleed build
deals any ST at all
lol
with or without cd youre bottom dps 😄
analog field
how do i copy mrt from lorgs to mine ?
can someone help ?
i copied into mrt personal notes but nothing happens
eternal sandal
quick checkin, are we still bugged af?
forest spoke
For M+, do I want to maintain Crimson Tempest on ST? The guide on Wowhead seems to indicate that, I just wanted to make sure
analog field
we had 100 in my guild
clever sparrow
may go alot higher xd
analog field
just killed it
clever sparrow
just killed it
idk man
analog field
at a disgusting timer
clever sparrow
i feels like i have no hope on this guild xd
analog field
4 sec before dm with vanish comes up
clever sparrow
4 sec before dm with vanish comes up
FK
main bridge
my guild has never even seen an antenna or forge drop so far
we also get boots we don't need almost every week
analog field
yeah cloth boots for us
analog field
out of ?
golden loom
1h15 left of raidday
9 hour shift again!!!
lethal lynx
you dont? why would you wait with cds
whispyr said I should try to get 2 deathmarks on bosses 
main bridge
if you use DM at the beginning of a big pack before boss it will probably come up shortly after engaging the boss
also if you play with a set group, encourage them to pull mobs onto the boss to help your damage
other classes can benefit from the funnel too
royal lantern
whispyr said I should try to get 2 deathmarks on bosses <a:Smoge:879426013967302...
sure, but you also dont delay your cd's by a bigger amount
clever sparrow
mana oil or wax? for raid
royal lantern
mana oil
humble verge
9 hour shift again!!!
coral ibex
did something change with the sim apl recently?
worldly bridge
progging on soulhunters rn, this fight is giga messy
coral ibex
i have a top gear from a few days ago at 5.4 and running the same gearset in quicksim today is like 80k less
worldly bridge
what's the idea maintain rupt+CT on all 3 and send shiv on CD ?
royal lantern
progging on soulhunters rn, this fight is giga messy
play bleed build and keep everything running on all 3, swap marks ~20sec before intermission
forest spoke
Sorry to ask again, but should I be maintaining crimson tempest on single target encounters?
coral ibex
yes
forest spoke
tyvm
worldly bridge
play bleed build and keep everything running on all 3, swap marks ~20sec before ...
wow that's a lot
golden loom
i have a top gear from a few days ago at 5.4 and running the same gearset in qui...
arent quick sims just 1 sim
and then topgear is however many variations
coral ibex
and then topgear is however many variations
no i took the highest result in the top gear sim
and ran it in quick sim
and its a diff result
analog field
80 k is like what ? 1.5 % ?
golden loom
idk I am not smart enough
coral ibex
no, the margin of error is 2800 dps
analog field
i mean there is variation from a pull to another
analog field
this is 1.5 %
worldly bridge
play bleed build and keep everything running on all 3, swap marks ~20sec before ...
i find it very hard to manage the mark + the refresh timer uh
i often find myself trying to refresh dots while darkest night is active
analog field
the "range" of variation os 15%
i don't understand the issue tbh, This runs a sim again right ? with all the items you chose?
west crown
1.5% is a bit in wow terms
coral ibex
it just seems like something changed with the sim because the exact same inputs are resulting in a difference that dramatically exceeds margin of error
ive run this quick sim 10 times now
and its always within 2k of 5.382M dps
royal lantern
saladbar is so fucked holy shit
our druid tank cant use half her abilitys after a MC
unborn rain
one time i aoe blinded the entire group
lmfao
worldly bridge
do you use shiv on CD on soulhunters or do u save it for specific timings ? also how big am i trolling if i shiv with darkest night active ?
royal lantern
one time i aoe blinded the entire group
my character tries to use running wild
lmao
coral ibex
ALL FOURS
coral ibex
coral ibex
the mages have been frame perfect counterspelling the healers
worldly bridge
you can just play sub instead just fyi
im terrible at sub. how much better is it ?
clever sparrow
90 pull these ppl still cant soak pilons
humble verge
whar
clever sparrow
90 pulls loom?
YEP
analog field
my guild is late ce
humble verge
analog field
and we had like 120 pulls loom,
i was out for vacation and came back and killed it today
little current
balmy condor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uqZHvyvs1zsSEVPxjGdoWg
I think there’s some nonsense going on but idk what, I simmed the same thing and got equal
coral ibex
well i havent run the topgear since the other day
balmy condor
not sure either but i think that 80 k is a very normal variation
Also this isn’t how sims work 
balmy condor
Idk there’s constantly background changes
analog field
Also this isn’t how sims work <:kekl:753617830296944660>
we asked if it was 1 sim and he didnt answer so i thought it was a yes
obv if there are like 10k you cannot have 1%
if it was one sim it could be like 20%
clever sparrow
what the fuck
idk what to do anymore
balmy condor
What does that mean
coral ibex
if it was one sim it could be like 20%
if sims could report anywhere within damage variation, comparing gear would be impossible
balmy condor
main bridge
analog field
i didn't know what quick sim does so uwu asked this and i thought it is one
balmy condor
Okay well you can see the iterations on the results page but there’s also no way to sim 1 iteration without turning on expert mode and adding a line of code
golden loom
yeah I just quickly read this and 'ed
but now I realize thats the example of 1 of the iterations
royal lantern
idk what to do anymore
thats a "find a proper group" angle tbh
if you dont enjoy your time there
analog field
i mean loom is easy but it's a boss that all players have to play the game
clever sparrow
if you dont enjoy your time there
the wipes are so cringe
we still wipe on first phase
hearty seal
question about Heroic Dimensius
is it like
worth holding KB/DM for the first 10 seconds just to align properly with Gravity mechanics? they're every 45 seconds on cue, it drives me insane to drift CDs because I have to rescue someone
humble verge
next kill
main bridge
question about Heroic Dimensius
is it like
worth holding KB/DM for the first 10...
melee really shouldn't be on gravity
young reef
question about Heroic Dimensius
is it like
worth holding KB/DM for the first 10...
depends on when you push to p2, obv you want cds up for p2 platform
hearty seal
melee really shouldn't be on gravity
well then you get kicked up sometimes and lose it that way
hearty seal
depends on when you push to p2, obv you want cds up for p2 platform
seems to not be a problem, I always have CDs back up for P2
main bridge
can't do anything about getting picked for gravity but it's not a big deal anyway
young reef
as long as u get 2 uses of cds in 1st phase and then have them up again for platform it makes no difference
hearty seal
yeah fine then
pure moth
melee really shouldn't be on gravity
Really shouldnt.. but range players are notoriously lazy
golden loom
I grab the gravity so I cant fly up in the air myself
restive hawk
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
analog field
wipe logs are not correct
severe meadow
<:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
humble verge
lyric gate
<:copium:854628182104080414>
from 3 to 233
thorn thorn
<:copium:854628182104080414>
Just kill it bro
lyric gate
0.1% is wild
lilac lotus
Anyone have an M+ plater profile with rupture color change (only rupture)?
humble verge
from 3 to 233
idk why it says pull 3
worldly bridge
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
worldly bridge
i dont get it, according to this we shouldnt FOK as a builder on soulhunters
yet when checking logs ppl do it. Am i crazy?
thorn thorn
Are people running the M+ build for soulhunters that you are referencing
worldly bridge
yep
humble verge
someone is loossing it
vast patio
Hardmode Cleared for this shit
Outlaw pog
young reef
Hardmode Cleared for this shit
german word for versatility just blew my mind
many sidedness
if u dont have a myth ring that might actually be decent
but if ur clearing hardmode u prolly already do lol
balmy condor
@haughty flicker 
haughty flicker
balmy condor
balmy condor
The glorp renaissance
static glacier
glorp v cute
lost nexus
This game was much better when Restoration Druid's had Farmer's Market.
drifting cloud
you think if you mute this guy for a week theyll stop typing AI generated msgs here every day
thorn thorn
Its just low quality bait
analog field
He swapped to spells of other specs after trying 50 times with rogue spell names
coral ibex
unborn rain
yo its the dear realz guy
main bridge
wtf lmao
sleek spear
Hi all, for mythic Loomithar progression. Would you guys recommend sub or Assas ?
storm forum
Whichever has CDs up when you phase
sleek spear
You play whichever you want, pal
Isn't assas better due to inbuilt execute at 35%?
drifting cloud
p1 is harder than p2
sleek spear
Ya agreed P1 is harder. I realize assas bleeds isn't very effective on the webs too
Bleed ticks take awhile to burst them down
drifting cloud
sub is equally as bad on the webs aswell dont worry
thats why it just comes down to personal pref
main bridge
a good RL isn't going to put any rogue on tangles
zealous moth
Bleed ticks take awhile to burst them down
Just run sudden demise and execute it 5head
sleek spear
sub is equally as bad on the webs aswell dont worry
as sub. can at least send Shadowdance on the web tangle
nova kelp
as sub. can at least send Shadowdance on the web tangle
sir, there is a boss to kill
leave tangles to people with a decent baseline
sleek spear
leave tangles to people with a decent baseline
im really sending dance on tangles, could have been #1 if not pylon duty
maybe the range can swap more
nova kelp
im really sending dance on tangles, could have been #1 if not pylon duty
if a rogue of any variety is that high on tangles, your raid group is not doing their job
at all]
this is not an opinion, they're just not
it could be the case i GUESS that you out pace everyone by such an extent that it looks like that, but even thinking this out extensively just creates issues elsewhere
you shouldn't be sending a dance into the tangles, it might make you feel good seeing tangle damage that high, but it also creates a bad prescedent for others to examine their own performance by which probably causes issues that follow on from there
also, good lord a warlock being that low on tangle damage may want to GENUINELY consider using the OBA and learning to target correctly
they will improve
drifting cloud
that lock is hard trolling and shaman could do more for sure aswell
also the non active tank might aswell be swapping if everyone else is lol
errant hawk
buoyant herald
marks not swapping there either is utterly criminal
thorn thorn
im really sending dance on tangles, could have been #1 if not pylon duty
How are 2 of your hunters below a mage
buoyant herald
i mean literally just ignoring mechanics right, im sure its not that they've tried and failed
sleek spear
Think it's our first time doing the boss. So everyone is still learning
The whole soaking pylons thing is still very new to the group.
Though alot of problems would be solved by better tab targeting for sure
cunning needle
im really sending dance on tangles, could have been #1 if not pylon duty
bro find a new guild
marsh fjord
The whole soaking pylons thing is still very new to the group.
Though alot of ...
I never understood this type of mentality its standing infront of a boss soak to 9 stacks and move out of it. itsnt that like the most simplest thing ever
sage spruce
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
vocal cradle
do yall pool going into the second set of cds if so when do you start? i know we can pool about 10 secs before KB, around the same time with DM?
oak tangle
pooling for dm is not as needed as you begin the sequence with a shiv, and dm gives more energy regen
and shiv is macrod with tea
vocal cradle
what if i dont have a tea available
oak tangle
i mean you can pool if you want, it isn't bad, it just might not be necessary
the only time it will be bad is if you overcap on energy
i don't know the exact scenarios, but i believe we are probs energy positive in lust and execute
@balmy condor i know it's not necessary to know but are we energy positive in regular dm windows?
balmy condor
No but it’s close
You’re energy positive during dm with lust for example
Not that it really matters either way, the only thing you’d get out of it is an extra envenom or whatever, wahoo
As long as you’re casting an envenom before and then an envenom after your job is basically done
vocal cradle
as always thanks gents!
we just killed fractillus and i parsed green >_<
#feelsbadman
thorn thorn
@balmy condor Mildly unrelated, does your raid have an Aug or are they playing Dev
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> Mildly unrelated, does your raid have an Aug or are they p...
@safe frigate
vocal cradle
@balmy condor can you help a brotha out? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d3g426yPawnpNcZG?fight=45&type=damage-done
oak tangle
<@167090536602140682> can you help a brotha out? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/r...
dont double shiv your single kb windows
and try and cover more of dm with shiv
vocal cradle
noted
oak tangle
at your 1:40 dm, you also use rupture before the second env, so i think you break your dj streak
vocal cradle
so hold that till env is over?
oak tangle
nah, you need to use the 2 env procs from cb
vocal cradle
gotcha
oak tangle
i could be wrong
vocal cradle
so make sure i send those 2 before rfreshing
marsh fjord
<@167090536602140682> can you help a brotha out? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/r...
Also it doesnt really break or fuck your log over but if you do want to maximise i would just hold your pot for when you hit execute on frac
You still see a lot of people using pot in the start and getting very good log. but its better to pot in execute if you only get 1 for sure.
So in this case, you could used your pot on your DM around 3 minutes.
oak tangle
so make sure i send those 2 before rfreshing
yeah, otherwise, your rupture doesn't proc the edge flipped coins, which then means the next env will just copy what rupture was
elder matrix
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/dalaran/commissioned?difficulty=4 so I felt like I have been doing well and wow analyzer says im doing decent. What can I improve on because my parse numbers are not acceptable to me. Any help would be appreciated. I don't care about my gems.. @balmy condor plis healp
marsh fjord
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/dalaran/commissioned?difficulty=4 so I...
In your first solo KB your suddenly shivving 10 seconds before you press your KB.
You want to press KB and then when 8 seconds is left on KB you want to press your shiv in your solo KB's
and then you shivved like 30 seconds later. and had only 1 shiv for your upcoming deathmark. which wants 2 shivs.
I took fractilus as an example
Get your cooldowns usage under control, and get some item level. and your doing not to bad.
oak tangle
did you get a myth netherprism?
marsh fjord
me?
oak tangle
nah kyle, from the frac kill
marsh fjord
Hope he did 😄
thorn thorn
numbers giving the numbers
oak tangle
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/dalaran/commissioned?difficulty=4 so I...
straight up, your sequence of abilities in your first dm on your most recent loom is appalling, similar to the point i said above, you gotta press your 2 env's before rupture otherwise you break your edge case streak
elder matrix
so since that pull I have gotten a bit better at keeping shiv, deathmark, and kingsbane close together within a few seconds unless i needed to move away
marsh fjord
so since that pull I have gotten a bit better at keeping shiv, deathmark, and ki...
All you have to know is
When you DM you shiv 2 times. 8 seconds and then 8 seconds again. and then when your KB comes. without the DM you shiv when your KB is 8 seconds remaining
thats all
elder matrix
so keep utilize the 2 envs for cold blood crits before you try to snapshot rupture?
marsh fjord
Yeah. when you have CB you want to envenom twice before reapply rupture
elder matrix
kk i will def work on that
prisma monolithBOT
Vanishing On Fatebound
- you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
- this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
- because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
- edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
- you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst
elder matrix
those windows would make up a big portion i think
marsh fjord
those windows would make up a big portion i think
if you get this fixed you gotta fix your item level
because thats also a big factor
oak tangle
matching the same outcome as previous is the key line
cause the previous flips are double jeapordy
rupture doesn't partake in those cool flips
elder matrix
so would the rupture fuck the double jepordy if used before Env?
oak tangle
yes
marsh fjord
You are already one step ahead of most people by asking the qeustions
thorn thorn
How you doing my favorite ragebaiter
I am so honored to be a favorite
elder matrix
I appreciate the insight! if you have more time to review my bullshit logs Ill take more info from ya
I wanna try and get to at least 60-65 parses at a minimum for being a fucking scrub AOTC raider
I tend to maintain top 5 dps in my guild runs but I know I have room for a lot of improvement
thorn thorn
Time to shoot for first
elder matrix
well being around 10 ilvl below top makes a difference lol
oak tangle
I appreciate the insight! if you have more time to review my bullshit logs Ill t...
i'm just focussing on your most recent loom, it's a bit much to look at them all, unless you have one in particular.
but you do cap on energy a few times, i imagine it's when you go out for the big aoe, it's worth noting you can cloak that and stay in
elder matrix
if i was 714 and correct trinks/stats, i would 100% get first lmao
elder matrix
i'm just focussing on your most recent loom, it's a bit much to look at them all...
the most recent loom was a very undesirable reclear as an alt run for some guildies lol I did horrible just trying to focus on mechanics to ensure we got the kill
marsh fjord
Mostly item level is never the first issue. but in your case it's also a small issue since you are competing against most people who are max item level
Your just behind the curve
instead of ahead
elder matrix
haha yeah
oak tangle
the most recent loom was a very undesirable reclear as an alt run for some guild...
do you have a fight where you think you did particularly well?
can look for mistakes that are more ingrained then
elder matrix
I have not been able to fill my vaults with +10s for myth track
elder matrix
can look for mistakes that are more ingrained then
I know I need improvements on all fights honestly
@marsh fjord I play with NA but I run on Japan time now, from US but live in Japan
marsh fjord
<@308691441910153230> I play with NA but I run on Japan time now, from US but li...
Ah otherwise i could offer you some 10's but im EU
elder matrix
my man, if youre gonna offer 10s and teachable shit, I will DM you if thats cool and we can figure out times?
oak tangle
he wrong server
marsh fjord
my man, if youre gonna offer 10s and teachable shit, I will DM you if thats cool...
Yeah but you cant play with me because im from EU
thats why i asked 😄
its currently 05:55 for me haha
peak pagoda
I mean it shouldnt be hard at this point of to season the get at least 1 weekly 10
elder matrix
its 1255pm here lol
marsh fjord
I mean it shouldnt be hard at this point of to season the get at least 1 weekly ...
Nah its not but can atleast help someone right
oak tangle
i'd offer to help, but im currently getting my mage carried for 10's XD
peak pagoda
Nah its not but can atleast help someone right
True
oak tangle
2400 io in day 1 from 658 ilvl
elder matrix
its alllll good yall, I just appreciate the info
marsh fjord
10's are so easy right now i run sales almost everyday. and thats with 1 guy afk lol
elder matrix
I look forward to applying everything yall are sayin
I gotta go take care of the baby now, thanks yall!
marsh fjord
Np np goodluck dude
oak tangle
I look forward to applying everything yall are sayin
this is good, we like this
humble verge
marsh fjord
noob
You know what i just saw
There are only 11 assa rogues
that killed nexus king
thats kinda crazy to me 😄
coral ibex
how did raid go
simple pumice
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
thorn thorn
Did you kill salad bar
main bridge
i started playing frost DK this weekend and holy shit it's broken
worthy rose
even unholy is still op
not as op as frost
but does silly numbers too in dungeons
dk as a whole class is stronk
what was hilarious is coz i never tanked before as blood
main bridge
i feel like it's actually easier than rogue and does way more damage and has insane defensives
worthy rose
but we had a string of bad tanks in my friend group pugging for tanks
so i said fuck it ill do it myself
we proceed to not only oneshot and time the key
thorn thorn
The only hard part of blood is not dieing instantly while you build up resources to ride out the rest of the pull on
worthy rose
we did the best key ever on a +14
yeah that was the part i had trouble with
but hten i found a build that uses runetap
so i just runetap as i run in
then i get to marrowrend asap
and im guccigang
main bridge
The only hard part of blood is not dieing instantly while you build up resources...
i feel like they should really add some kind of defensive for tanks when they first start pulls because every tank has this problem
worthy rose
this is actually so braindead easy
how do so many tanks out there fuck up tanking when its actually so easy
worthy rose
i feel like they should really add some kind of defensive for tanks when they fi...
dk does have this
thorn thorn
i feel like they should really add some kind of defensive for tanks when they fi...
Yes but blood has it the worst of them all
worthy rose
you deaths caress to get boneshield oryou just runetap
main bridge
well tanking is probably one of the harder roles and there is a lot of pressure to do everything perfectly since it's super obvious when you mess up
thorn thorn
Cuz you have no runic power and no boneshield charges to use on your big pack defensives
So the challenge is just not dieing instantly cuz blood has omega trash tier passive mitigation
worthy rose
if i can first time tank and clear a 14 with time to spare and no wipes
main bridge
if you tank well most of the time nobody notices but as soon as you mess up you're garbage worst tank ever etc
worthy rose
i think anyone could tank
although also blood dk plays like a dps tank too
just start blasting ur damage and dps when u got aggro
and you generally wont die
maintain boneshield and shit
dancing rune wep and blood thingy if you sense danger
thorn thorn
Blood has very little aggro problems generally just because of the damage it has
worthy rose
for real
i end up finishing dungeon with like 4-5mil dps overall
thats almost real dps numbers
LOL
kinda crazy
if disc is a dps healer
blood is a dps tank
main bridge
the brewmaster i play with does insane damage and regularly does more than me on bosses
that stupid trinket is like 20% of his damage
thorn thorn
i think just ilvl gap
Bro
2m overall for a tank at 685 is stupid as fuck
It will be a lot more with ilvl and when i get 4pc
But its fair and balanced rn
worthy rose
i think my details chart showed like 4.5mil f rthis
but warcraftlogs says diff
doesnt matter but this is silly numbers
LOL
thorn thorn
The only downside blood has is that it doesnt have extreme mitigation against white numbers like the other tanks do
Which is only really an invisible key limit if anything
worthy rose
you just gotta pray you can tank it and then death strike it back
which to be fair
if it doenst oneshot you
you survive just about everything
thorn thorn
Yeh
worthy rose
but the white hits you have to pray they dont all sync together
and whack you at the same time
thorn thorn
But since it has such shit passive mitigation
thorn thorn
There is a point where you get stuck because you cannot survive the white hits
A problem prot warrior and bear will never have
thorn thorn
like a 20% flat mitigation
Rune tap should be baseline tbh
worthy rose
i agree
sucks i have to waste time pressing it
its kind of crazy i still remember back in wotlk where boneshield was a 5 minute buff you had to cast
now its baked into everything
i have to remember to keep pressing marrowredn and shit to maintain it
thorn thorn
Yeppers
2 abilities consume charges
And if your boneshield charges ever hit 0 you die instantly in trash pulls
worthy rose
yep
thorn thorn
worthy rose
if you randomyl just get slapped to fuck
its "oh shit my bone shield!!!"
i have the wowhead weakaura atm that it quacks at you if you make the wrong move
thorn thorn
Its kinda like spikes on vdh
worthy rose
QUACK QUACK
thorn thorn
If you drop spikes when no other defensive is running you get splattered
Just be bear
Press ironfur
worthy rose
the one thing about tanking that i never considered as a dps or healer
you really cant turn you rback on mobs or bosses
you get oneshot
thorn thorn
Correct
worthy rose
you have to matser the art of side strafing
so when moving from pack to pack
you gotta do the tango or some shit
thorn thorn
Or knowing exactly when its safe to turn your back to move
Our new tank player didnt realize back tanking was so big until the incident
worthy rose
LOL
worthy rose
💀
thorn thorn
You can guess what happened
thorn thorn
A very funny 5m overkill too
thorn thorn
Probably
Legit
Swampface the only time i have had to think as bear
The thought is to actively save rage to bulk cast ironfurs for it otherwise it hurts like hell
thorn thorn
Yea unfortunately swampface is big tank pain in floodgate
He slap real good
The amount of tanks i see get almost oneshot on 10s on swampface makes me concerned for how much it happens on higher levels
worthy rose
you know speaking of oneshots
i thnk it was last season when theatre of pain was still around
main bridge
hate that key
worthy rose
i remember seeing on reddit people saying they just stand in the one boss's circle attack
and dont die
and then im just like ???? how the fuck do you not get oneshot by that
main bridge
hardest boss is at the end so you often deplete with nothing left to do
worthy rose
then the conversation goes on further and i realize theyr doing 6's
💀
coz i was like how int he fuck does anyone NOT get oneshot by that one boss doing the circle
thats like guaranteed death
turns out theyr doing noob keys
worthy rose
hardest boss is at the end so you often deplete with nothing left to do
its why i like running arakara this season for vault slots
the hardest pull is right at the start as a litmus test
if it fails ez didnt waste too much time
main bridge
trudat
worthy rose
other keys like streets while easy take sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo damn long
main bridge
it was so funny to discover i can just walk through the death wall on streets last boss with AMS
what a joke
worthy rose
LOL
I KNOW RIGHT
i was so concerned at one point
then i realized oh shit i can just ams that
so now my friends all just watch me koolaid man through the walls
also i can confirm at least in gambit up to 15
you can just not move for hte purifying lazer and ams almost all of it
stand in one spot keep dpsing and ams
slim copper
guys why does blizzard hate us 💔
main bridge
stand in one spot keep dpsing and ams
that's bananas
storm forum
guys why does blizzard hate us 💔
Cause rogue is a buggy mess they don't wanna touch with a 20 ft pole
worthy rose
rogue iirc hasnt had many changes at all since last season
assassination is as assination was
sub somehow became the new meta
not sure how or why
oak tangle
sub about to sit back down soon
zenith elm
Not in raid lol 
oak tangle
yes so 🙂
timings will cook sub soon
there will be fights where it's still good, but a few of the earlier ones like soulbinder etc are gonna flip to sin favored
thorn thorn
then the conversation goes on further and i realize theyr doing 6's
6s are difficult content and if you disagree then that makes you elitist
Redditors some of dumbest people who play this game i stg
worthy rose
truly
its mindblowing
they were tlaking a big game until they dropped it was..... a 6
all credibility went out the window
proceed to start shitposting
balmy condor
Redditors some of dumbest people who play this game i stg
participating in r/wow or r/competitivewow might be the lowest form of intelligence measurable
I struggle to find a single place on the internet full of more idiots
thorn thorn
Cuz there isnt any
They are all there
The largest population of idiots on planet earth inhabit the wow subreddits
balmy condor
believable and true
thorn thorn
I get brain damage when i read them
And honestly
They are gonna be my second source in my paper
oak tangle
i made a nice meme for the formuladank reddit, but i couldn't post it cause i dont have karma or someshit, they think i'm gonna engage in people's posts? fuck no
tropic jewel
thorn thorn
Deleting the sub reddit would actually be the worst decision
balmy condor
get a better meme
balmy condor
"close discord until fix" is such an overdone joke at this point
it's not even remotely funny
thorn thorn
And whispyr will have to argue with people everyday that cleave is usable in 6s
balmy condor
And whispyr will have to argue with people everyday that cleave is usable in 6s
need boss damage for my vault keys man you don't get it
quiet oriole
"close discord until fix" is such an overdone joke at this point
You won't do it 
balmy condor
you're right
I won't
I'd rather ban half the server one by one, by hand
before I'd close the discord
sleek spear
Rets seem fine. No idea why they closed their discord lol
cunning needle
Redditors some of dumbest people who play this game i stg
clearly you havent been on the wow forums
balmy condor
starting with anyone asking me to close the server
red sonnet
key selling in cn-retail
balmy condor
Rets seem fine. No idea why they closed their discord lol
because the discord is ran by crybaby bitches
red sonnet
avr. 100kG per run
oak tangle
Rets seem fine. No idea why they closed their discord lol
don't attribute to reason what you can attribute to ret's having literally no brain
cunning needle
Rets seem fine. No idea why they closed their discord lol
because bolas wasn't brought to prog on one fight
or something like that
balmy condor
yeh
red schooner
clearly you havent been on the wow forums
The rogue forums hurt me.
👍
🏄♂️ 🏄
balmy condor
ret mods own the server and they got benched by their high end guild and got butthurt to shit
thorn thorn
need boss damage for my vault keys man you don't get it
You dont get it we play full fotm comp and we barely time vault keys, we copy yodas route exactly but we still barely time these keys. People doing abovr vault keys are all just elitist and dont know how hard it is for content made for the real players. We all parse orange in these keys and you truly dont understand how bad the tuning is right now. As a guide writer I would expect you to know that vault keys are just so overtuned that even fotm comps can barely do them.
cunning needle
is some really good content
and by really good
i mean absolutely fucking stupid
red schooner
What if we ask you nicely?
cunning needle
Its usless unless I use the poisons it wants me to use and there are times I want to use others
yea, i found that irritating too. especially if you are in the middle of a fight when a poison runs out, lol. other than that though, SBA has been working pretty good for assassination. ive just started leveling this rogue to 80
I don’t like Sub anymore ever since Shadow Dance was introduced.
thorn thorn
The forums is the second biggest population of idiots
cunning needle
oak tangle
i would actually stab my eyes out if assassin was simpler
red schooner
Okay wait Fim will just bring the content here instead
cunning needle
thorn thorn
> Its usless unless I use the poisons it wants me to use and there are times I w...
These people
Legit
cunning needle
thorn thorn
Do not deserve basic human rights simply because there is a 0% chance they are real people
They must be lizard people
Or aliens
No human is this incompetent
thorn thorn
That has not been scientifically named yet
red schooner
Mafic is an AI, gotta be.
thorn thorn
reminder that only 20% of the playerbase
I fucking hate this statistic so much because i raid aotc and some of the shit i see makes me wanna commit sudoku
red schooner
22k posts
cunning needle
It gets worse
imagine someone at the top 20% of wows percentile
and just know
4/5 people will be worse than that
thorn thorn
I know
cunning needle
red schooner
4/5 people will be worse than that
I'm in this post and I don't like it 
thorn thorn
Same
I just aotc raid for social cuz idgaf about raiding
But still
Even social raiding
Some of the shit that happens
Just makes my body twitch angrily
red schooner
I run the guilds social raid. Its like herding cats.
oak tangle
I run the guilds social raid. Its like herding cats.
dont @ me
thorn thorn
I run the guilds social raid. Its like herding cats.
Angry cats that exist only to run and scratch everything