Is it possible to shadow meld in combat and instantly stealth to get a new ambush and subterfuge window? I've seen posts saying that people are using a macro that goes /stopattack /cast shadow meld /cast !stealth. I'm just wondering if I should race change to nelf.
#assassination
balmy condor
it's possible, you have to enter real stealth though
which makes it..... not fully consistent
rotund oak
same here,i make them just like i want them.Truth is Whispyr's WA package is very wellrounded one
balmy condor
nelf in general isn't better than other stuff like mag'har for example
most people in high M+ don't even play nelf
the power of nelf mostly comes from seasons where you can meld to immune a bunch of shit
not the damage
eternal bramble
Alright, thanks for answering. So the shadow meld can drop off easily before you can even stealth with a spammable macro?
Seems like it is not the play then.
waxen oyster
I mean meld works like og stealth
if you take any damage
or move an inch
it'll break
eternal bramble
Yeah
waxen oyster
i pretty much only use it when i know theres no ticking damage on alt
well its useless in raid so poop race
desert crest
Just gotta spam more bro
eternal bramble
I was considering a scenario where the tank is chain pulling, mobs are right beside me ready to be attacked and I don't have a vanish charge to get into subterfuge window.
waxen oyster
2 vanishes covers most needs
eternal bramble
Yeah, probably just gotta learn to use them better.
desert crest
Well if u use vanish with ur cds u kinda only get 1 non cd vanish troughout the entire key
ofc u get more if u don't use cds on cd
waxen oyster
i mean vanish on cds isnt as much as people give it credit for
desert crest
I mean 20% increase in dmg during cds is not bad
waxen oyster
its not a flat 20% damage
hexed frost
midnight atlas
god no
either swap to sub or play fatebound with caustic
or deathstalker if you like to swap marks
but no m+, normal st build with caustic
deep gyro
Play sub and pad ur heart away
spice vale
Question: unbuffed in at 39% crit. When buffed, flask, mana oil, trinket i hit like 60%+. Is that hurting me dps wise?
deep gyro
^ that is a good question. I want to know the answer too. My sim just keeps stacking crit.
main bridge
If your sim says that’s the best combo it’s probably right
One exception being if you’re running a sim that doesn’t make sense, like full raid buffs in m+ or something
deep gyro
I only sim assa in st scenario with fb obv
spice vale
My sims tell me that prism isn’t good for fatebound. But logs say that almost every assassin rogue uses it for fatebound
main bridge
Do you have the same gear as almost every assassin rogue?
main bridge
But not the same. So it doesn’t make sense to think about their gear or copy it
spice vale
Fair point
I just don’t wanna screw myself over because I stacked one stat over another
main bridge
Sims figure out all of this for you
balmy condor
that's why we sim
royal lantern
My sims tell me that prism isn’t good for fatebound. But logs say that almost ev...
whats the sim difference + its a trinket that you can time yourself for big benefits
fully stacked prism for stuff like araz dmg amp is kinda big
spice vale
It says it’s like a negative 1.8% from a heroic lily and negative 2% from my champion antenna
But it does make sense that the sim may not take into effect dmg amps and fully stack
royal lantern
that sounds weird tbh? is it a normal prism against a heroic lily or smth like that
runic hinge
link the sim
main bridge
Also worth noting is that prism is a 3m trinket so if your sim is 5m it will make it seem like prism is worse
spice vale
Also worth noting is that prism is a 3m trinket so if your sim is 5m it will mak...
I did not think of that.
spice vale
link the sim
I will when I do it again
vast patio
So in theory, if sudden demise worked properly in delves, wouldn't sin be one of the best delvers by far?
for a non-tank, at least
balmy condor
not even remotely
royal lantern
better, but some classes are so dumb for "solo content" that rogue just kinda stinks against them lmao
vast patio
surprising tbh
royal lantern
like, you gotta remember
Hunter/Warlock have literally Personal Tanks build in
Paladin/Warrior/DK are immortal by default
balmy condor
rogue is squishy as shit in solo content
and doesn't have a lot of super-instant nuke burst like other classes
haughty flicker
Dh just pulls everything presses meta and leeches forever
royal lantern
^ that aswell
haughty flicker
royal lantern
like, a ret paladin just walks trought stuff with auto walk, takes 0 dmg, presses ash+divine storm once after pulling 20 enemys and everything is dead
midnight atlas
hardest part for rogue is pulling, because when u gather then you dont have IC up
and if u vanish, 15 out of those 20 go evade and run back
when i leveled my mage i did dungeons to 70 and when i wanted to do a quest i got my ass kicked by 2 kobolds 
vast patio
Frost mage is pretty stupid in delves.
royal lantern
i mean, everything is stupid compared to rogue in delves
its kinda shocking just how much rogue sucks in solo stuff if you play something else and actually realise it 
vast patio
True, but sin and outlaw don't feel that horrible to me at this stage.
royal lantern
ye, its still solo content, aka its not hard and you outgear it really really fast if you do m+/raids
vast patio
Enhance probably felt the worst for me.
Even before I was really geared out on my rogue.
haughty flicker
Your main defensive being death doesn't work very well in solo content
vast patio
turns out a quarter of your health absorb isn't enough when autos chunk half of your health
main bridge
i hope they fix that aspect of delves. bonkers white hits have been a problem since Torghast and it just makes them hell for anything but plate and tanks for the most part
main bridge
apparently
ancient ingot
guys what should i do in m+, i should trying apply my garrote/rapture on every targer or its only from vanish and after focus target with caustic and apply bleed on him?
royal lantern
They don't know any other way to scale difficulty for them
"% more health and damage" is how almost everyone does "difficuly" in the end 
somber sparrow
guys what should i do in m+, i should trying apply my garrote/rapture on every ...
if you ran out of vanish but a bunch of enemies are still alive, you should reapply bleeds on them.
I don't think you need more than 5 rupture targets though
royal lantern
5 ruptures is what you want always if possible, more is kinda w/e
garrote cant be "spread" outside of IC anyway and does no dmg, so eh
get stuff on important targets running and then cleave with spatter while keeping CT running
humble verge
Brogue.
humble verge
healer ruined it smh
winged sun
and if u vanish, 15 out of those 20 go evade and run back
Not true
Vanish never resets combat if u time it correctly
midnight atlas
try it with multiple mobs
winged sun
xd
midnight atlas
or mobs that are a bit far
winged sun
I do it all the time, just press it when ur gcd is ready and press anything rightaway
marsh ferry
winged sun
or mobs that are a bit far
What are u vanishing to bleed air or what
midnight atlas
to trigger ic, by the time i do 2 globals they should be close enough for ruptures or ct
winged sun
By the time u do 2 globals on what 
just wait till the mobs arrive
U cant spend 2 gcds without anything near you
Assa is rly strong in open world and delves
midnight atlas
its 2025 and we're arguing about killing mobs in wow outworld 
.
what im saying is that vanish isnt as consistent as in reset you say.
winged sun
Stronger than all classes atm
midnight atlas
yeah its strong, for pleb mobs you just need to put some bleeds and watch them melt
winged sun
I know ur talking about open world just use it correctly to not reset the mobs xD
Instead of typing 15 out of 20 wont work
U will make it work 20 times without failing
keen spruce
If you’re not gcd locked you can vanish and spam an ability and it will basically never reset mobs
And if it does its user error
And u know it must be true cuz I hate agreeing with yellow names 
winged sun
And u know it must be true cuz I hate agreeing with yellow names <:Cheesin:10040...
I can be all the colors u want baby 
midnight atlas
oh i see.. yellow name. you must've used vanish more than all of the other 2 colors combined 
waxen oyster
i mean idk how vanish resets mobs
unless you have old man hands and have 2 gcds between vanish and the next ability
midnight atlas
happened at kyveza a few times when i was vanishing for fatebound talent, even though i was doing rotation like a robot.
maybe when it happened i still had like 0.1s in gdc lock
she despawned insta, not even aggro on bran
waxen oyster
slow unlucky
i did zekvir as crackshot outlaw and never reset vanishing for bte spam
thorn thorn
slow unlucky
I just want you to know
That I did a key with a male vdh
And it wasnt terrible
balmy condor
@coral ibex 
thorn thorn
coral ibex
thorn thorn
what is this secret glorp server
I need storm earth and glorp
cyan lily
no fix lol
waxen oyster
no fix lol
goku pfp
waxen oyster
bro must main a caster thinking devs pay attention
thorn thorn
I wake up, I post about no fixes, I refuse to elaborate
waxen oyster
That I did a key with a male vdh
still bad probably
cyan lily
bro must main a caster thinking devs pay attention
for sure no, just keep watching how many days they will fix
cyan lily
for holy pally discord took 1 week
waxen oyster
pretty sure sub has bugs from s1
cyan lily
pretty sure sub has bugs from s1
devs are just braindeads and ggs
cyan lily
well yeah you dont play mage or dev
at my case i play mage , so i can just swap until no fixxes
waxen oyster
So thats a plus
i made bis macro
cyan lily
but is annoying, asfk xd
waxen oyster
assa is still very strong
thorn thorn
i made bis macro
Fight back
waxen oyster
womp womp
cyan lily
assa is still very strong
i know im playing with
versed mica
No fix, crazy
thorn thorn
No fix, crazy
cyan lily
tmrw i come back cya guys
thorn thorn
True the healers need it cuz loomys healer trinket is omega busted in keys
thorn thorn
"need" in the sense of just having the trinket
HC or myth is irrelevant since having the trinket at all is good enough
waxen oyster
Yeah i mean which hc is doable
cyan lily
Yeah i mean which hc is doable
loom trink, rlly good for keys on heals
waxen oyster
think we only saw 2-3 forges total
minor dagger
!gear
prisma monolithBOT
mossy sundial
and suddenly think sub
better
They're pretty even rn imo
Whatever sub lacks in aoe it'll make up in st and vice versa
Just depends on dungeon/ group
thorn thorn
not me farming 40 everblooms week 1
Not my friend farming 40 grim batols week 1 for skardyns
versed mica
HC or myth is irrelevant since having the trinket at all is good enough
IDK man, myth is like what, 12 ilvls higher? That's pretty big ain't it?
waxen oyster
Whatever sub lacks in aoe it'll make up in st and vice versa
yeah but most good specs rn are padding fucks
thorn thorn
IDK man, myth is like what, 12 ilvls higher? That's pretty big ain't it?
Would you rather have trinket or not
The loomy healer trinket is strong enough that just having it is big
versed mica
Not, I hate trinkets. Fuck trinkets.
thorn thorn
leaden bloom
Bring back Deadly Throw interrupt and Burst of Speed. /covers head
main bridge
does mana oil stack?
marsh fjord
does mana oil stack?
You mean the algari?
main bridge
yeah
marsh fjord
How do you mean stack? you put it on both daggers
unborn rain
burst of speed was loki dogshit
main bridge
yeah i mean do you get the effect from both daggers
main bridge
ok cool
marsh fjord
Well i never tested it. but why would you apply it to both if not
so i think it does
coral ibex
waxen oyster
ele player complaining about knocks
lunar pond
4 minutes still haven’t corrected rage induced misspellings and grammar. 🚩
marsh fjord
4 minutes still haven’t corrected rage induced misspellings and grammar. 🚩
Did you correct DN?
thorn thorn
<:glorptenna:1410513288244232233>
Yes this will surely get people to apply
humble verge
:3
lunar pond
Did you correct DN?
No we are all broken forever
humble verge
You're a rogue bro
waxen oyster
sergeito dh arc
marsh fjord
Suits him tho
marsh fjord
I can see this is gonna be a legend in the making
humble verge
its
waxen oyster
humble verge
I can see this is gonna be a legend in the making
r1 dh inc
humble verge
too bad im belf
waxen oyster
coral ibex
humble verge
tardy echo
!bugs
is there any issues with simming for a target dummy sim? just ran a 5min sim then hit over 1m more than the sim in a live practice
buoyant herald
the dummies often end up on 1% hp so you're in execute
tardy echo
ah i was just wondering that myself thanks
pliant remnant
GUYS ARE THE BUGS FIXED OR NAH
pliant remnant
@ COLOR HAIR MAN
marsh fjord
GUYS ARE THE BUGS FIXED OR NAH
yes
Every single bug is fixed in the game
dawnbreaker fixed
rogue fixed
Midnight coming tomorrow
wow 2 next year
gloomy heart
rogue fixed
marsh fjord
marsh fjord
Do you guys know what has 10 toes but isnt my foot?
pliant remnant
my feet
marsh fjord
pliant remnant
thorn thorn
Do you guys know what has 10 toes but isnt my foot?
Numbers has a foot with 10 toes
marsh fjord
Numbers has a foot with 10 toes
I wish so i could play outlaw with my feet
thorn thorn
🤨
thorn thorn
marsh fjord
is behind a paywall
karmic gazelle
Is Assassination good for lremix or bad ?
marsh fjord
Bro are you really asking us if assa is good for remix?
its remix you can play what ever you want bro
coral ibex
what does "good for remix" even mean
marsh fjord
i get so easily ragebaited by people in here
coral ibex
none of the content is real or matters
marsh fjord
i need a vacation or something
waxen oyster
gotta minmax meme content
thorn thorn
i get so easily ragebaited by people in here
You get so easily ragebaited in general bro
Anybody says anything and you redline like a donkey
coral ibex
coral ibex
vacation store broke
thorn thorn
Only my future partner gets that pleasure
marsh fjord
IF valeera is there then im all down for it
thorn thorn
Are you a simp bro
marsh fjord
10000%
thorn thorn
10000%
A morbillion %
Good news is valeera is our delve companion in midnight
I know what you will be doing
marsh fjord
Im gonna turn from a CE player to a delve player
humble verge
safe patrol
I obv know theres alot of bugs and stuff but I do an assa key now and then and I stg I did more damage first days of the season as like 690. I know its not the case and alot of factors including skill issue but god damn did I feel like thanos first days of the season in m+
marsh fjord
I dont wanna pop your bubble but you should be doing more damage now then start of the season
The only thing that changed is the caustic change by 8%
and you do less funnel.
safe patrol
hahah yeah yeah I know
thought that was kinda clear in what I wrote above but might been unclear
split willow
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
karmic gazelle
Just lookin @ low apm classes and seeing both assassin specs are bottom of apm list
and also using OBR
normal mist
If you're playing OBR
you can literally play any spec in the game
and not worry about apm
karmic gazelle
can't play high apm cclass cause of carpal tunnel syndrome in my wrist
normal mist
OBR has a GCD penalty
waxen oyster
bm hunter
pliant remnant
carpal tunnel goes crazy with OBR
normal mist
yeah
normal mist
its a bug so i dont like it
karmic gazelle
Not playable via lremix
normal mist
looks weird too
split willow
FB ST raid; during death mark/kb do we always spend with 5+ cp
waxen oyster
idk remix is not really gonna matter
normal mist
you always do that
waxen oyster
just play whatever you want
normal mist
like ever
you never use a finisher below 5 cps
and with DS you only force 7cp DNs and thats it @split willow
split willow
ty good sir
one more question, if we are at full CP, and get am abush proc are we spending CPs before consuming the ambush proc?
normal mist
why would you consume ambush and loose cps
the proc isnt going away because you rupture/envenom
split willow
ok, say we are at 5 cp, but could build to 7 i mean
normal mist
the damage is the same
i'd rather have more finishrs
than bigger finishers
more finishers = more coins
split willow
fair enough
normal mist
also
if you are at 5cp, and ambush and it crits
you gain 5 (?) cps
which means you already lost 3
split willow
true! so ill just not waste the cps
say we get 20 stacks of tails, is rupture snapshotting a thing?
normal mist
no
waxen oyster
tails is a damage proc
split willow
heads i mean. w/e the +damage one
normal mist
the only snapshot that still exists is improved garrote
waxen oyster
ig ct
snaps to whatever target count it was cast at
but rest of it will update dynamically
normal mist
forgot about CT
and thats actually an important one
this week affix is amazing for that
waxen oyster
i guess those two are only partial snapshot
since the value will still update
but within the boundary
normal mist
if you CT 5 targets and 4 die, the 5th target is still snapshotted iirc
waxen oyster
no i mean if you get a trinket proc
during the dot
or something
that part is still dynamic
waxen oyster
yeah if you do sub 12s this affix is super nice on assa
coral walrus
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
red sonnet
no adjustment from bluetracker?
cyan lily
!sheet
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
sour crane
Hey all, call me crazy, but is there a bug right now with envenom "failing" to do damage when there is exactly 1 proc left of deathstalkers mark. I swear I've noticed this interaction a few times now but havn't been able to capture it. Wondering if anyone else has noticed it
marsh fjord
Hey all, call me crazy, but is there a bug right now with envenom "failing" to d...
What you can do is log your keys or log when your doing DS stuff
and then show it to us
I havent heard anyone said the same thing as you
safe minnow
!plater
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
balmy condor
Hey all, call me crazy, but is there a bug right now with envenom "failing" to d...
are you sure you’re not just getting parried
sour crane
That's what I initially thought, but it happened while behind, I'll see if i can figure out whats going on
im probably just crazy
split willow
how are we supposed to hit tangles (or convince RL we shouldnt) on M loom
gritty laurel
main bridge
how are we supposed to hit tangles (or convince RL we shouldnt) on M loom
open logs, find tangle damage, show them all the ranged that aren't hitting it
split willow
open logs, find tangle damage, show them all the ranged that aren't hitting it
so true tho. hunters just out here shooting boss
main bridge
def no excuse for a hunter
main bridge
yeah i'm kinda wondering how this conversation even came up
surely if they read the logs (as any good RL does) they wouldn't even be asking you to do this
marsh fjord
My raidleader in my last guild said
Listen i have no idea how rogue works but can you swap. ( i was still progging loom)
And i told him. lets go over logs after this run and i will show you why we don't swap.
He told me i could stay boss after that convo
split willow
we killed it all i had to do was slam one enevnom on the webs
main bridge
ez
split willow
now do i pm him the tangle damage
little tulip
numbers you just said a thing and it's amazing
thorn thorn
Muffin is too nice
main bridge
i always try to be nice but never fail to be kind
marsh fjord
numbers you just said a thing and it's amazing
Which is
coral ibex
how are we supposed to hit tangles (or convince RL we shouldnt) on M loom
sorry im late but i just show them prog logs with rogues low on tangle damage and then also big boss damage logs
and if they're intelligent they can put 2 and 2 together
balmy condor
and if they're intelligent they can put 2 and 2 together
this is usually the problem
burnt juniper
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
marsh fjord
change barrel to tangle
yes
runic hinge
change barrel to tangle
I’ll put my barrel in your tangle
ember mural
I’ll put my barrel in your tangle
balmy condor
runic hinge
<:mrowing:1300216882938515486>
Don’t taunt me I can’t have that as my Druids name and I’m sad
main bridge
you pretty much always have to sim
main bridge
of course if you're too lazy to do that you can always pick whatever
cyan summit
ye cba to sim now -_- just wanna pick
main bridge
i guess damage isn't important to you
cyan summit
i guess damage isn't important to you
ill diff u in dps
waxen oyster
main bridge
seems very unlikely if you don't even sim your gear
cyan summit
whats ur io ? @main bridge
main bridge
is that related to damage?
waxen oyster
getting diffed by a guy without even a prism or forge
main bridge
in any case, looks like i am 3192 at the moment
cyan summit
3.3 and never simmed
main bridge
do you feel like there is a connection there?
main bridge
main bridge
also funny to brag about not simming your gear
like yeah i grief my groups by not playing optimally
i pick random stuff out of my vault, i'm so good
normal mist
Muffin let him cook, I love to read cringe at 4 am
normal mist
Don't you dare laughing, link your io or else
waxen oyster
main bridge
if you link your IO i will just say i have bigger number, which means i am better than you
normal mist
I'm a proud owner of 2670 something
main bridge
nice job gamers
normal mist
Which means I did all +10 and ONE 11
waxen oyster
that dun look like 3.3....
main bridge
how's cn-retail @red sonnet ?
red sonnet
im gonna stop M+ push
main bridge
don't give up just play frost DK
red sonnet
how's cn-retail <@892163345006882866> ?
cn-retail rogue's forum fraction is dead
waxen oyster
i'll take someone who goons to feet more serious than an m+ queuer
red sonnet
everyone there is blaming designers and devs
main bridge
people who pug m+ are a unique kind of freaky
i had to pug all 8 keys on my spriest last week 
red sonnet
with real few players insist on rogue @ M+
main bridge
with real few players insist on rogue @ M+
well yeah idk why you'd take rogue at this point
you can invite a frost DK and they will do more damage and never die
main bridge
damn 3.5 is nuts
normal mist
Bigger than 3.3
red sonnet
"Finnally all +17 cleared, LFG approval is so damn hard; all +17 run except flood done by subt, with solid apply comment 'im okay with train streak'."
waxen oyster
zac is almost 3.8
as outlaw
How do you not make friends
if you're one of the region best
for multiple expacs
balmy condor
How do you not make friends
difficult when blizzard is banning like a billion accounts in the region I guess 
red sonnet
if you're one of the region best
okay let me tell you
red sonnet
i'm kicked out of my solid squad this version
waxen oyster
that people know one another
red sonnet
even in S1 we got top 0.1% together
main bridge
i'm kicked out of my solid squad this version
why?
normal mist
It turned liquid
waxen oyster
difficult when blizzard is banning like a billion accounts in the region I guess...
Yeah idk that region has some degenerate ass rmt shit always
red sonnet
cuz i could only play rogue + dps druid + unholy + windwalker
main bridge
yeah that seems pretty useful
red sonnet
and there is a better and longer dk player inside already
red sonnet
no
let me be clear: all CN-retail communitiy started a continuous cyberbully to rogue players
normal mist
That's what happens when the queues get too big
red sonnet
so the community is cancer or what
extremely toxic
balmy condor
seems that way
waxen oyster
idk
red sonnet
everyone on lfg is looking for a 'national represents squad'
red sonnet
Extreme utilitarianism
main bridge
what's a national represents squad?
red sonnet
what's a national represents squad?
chinese meme, the best class solution of this version
balmy condor
red sonnet
for me, all +15 cleared is still hard to find +10~+12 on LFG
avr. 5~10mins an approval
just because im rogue
balmy condor
oh that's not bad
red sonnet
and nearly everyone in cn-retail hates rogue now
marsh fjord
im pretty sure the entire world hates rogues atm
red sonnet
including some former rogue but rerolled to tank
im pretty sure the entire world hates rogues atm
main bridge
chinese meme, the best class solution of this version
oh, so what NA calls "meta"?
balmy condor
im pretty sure the entire world hates rogues atm
bro they went 2 and 7 in LEC spring, those guys suck giga ass
red sonnet
oh, so what NA calls "meta"?
maybe yes
marsh fjord
bro they went 2 and 7 in LEC spring, those guys suck giga ass
hows the pain my dude
waxen oyster
red sonnet
'+10, national team'
balmy condor
hows the pain my dude
nearly non-existent tbh
red sonnet
'+12, national team'
balmy condor
just sore
marsh fjord
nearly non-existent tbh
good to hear
red sonnet
'+2, national team'
marsh fjord
I have no idea what national team means
balmy condor
play rogue, -1 billion social credit
marsh fjord
is this like the olympics?
earnest remnant
so the community is cancer or what
I do find mild enjoyment when i read through kr Forums on lost ark. Same shit there
balmy condor
red sonnet
I have no idea what national team means
chinese meme, 'meta team'
marsh fjord
Oh
red sonnet
still getting ins*lted by
marsh fjord
I do find mild enjoyment when i read through kr Forums on lost ark. Same shit th...
Lost ark was so goated, i was playing from EU and i payed someone in korea for the pin to there ID document, and every wednesday you needed re enter that otherwise you got banned
red sonnet
social credit memes
balmy condor
it's not really an insult
red sonnet
but for rogues, really
waxen oyster
Yeah most people with half a brain will receive it aint really true
dont make a porn game on a non vpn though
red sonnet
cn-forum NGA rogue fraction is full of negative emotions
no good discussion, no good tips
just complains
waxen oyster
sounds like 4chan
balmy condor
we've banned people for just showing up and bitching 24/7
red sonnet
you know, the weekly reward selection post
is the most frequent post of every forum, right?
main bridge
yeah the vault
red sonnet
but in NGA rogue fraction
marsh fjord
Nah i think the most frequent is people asking if assa is still bugged
red sonnet
these posts are quite few
balmy condor
eh, we don't see that many vault posts cause most people understand that they're not going to get an answer other than "sim it"
waxen oyster
Idk no one uses forums on na for any serious content
red sonnet
that means rogue's population is bottom atm
waxen oyster
reddit is lfr posts
balmy condor
it used to be a lot more
balmy condor
"I called my tank a slur for not letting me restealth and left the key"
waxen oyster
colorful insults when my raid lead thinks swapping to adds that die in 2 gcds is smart
main bridge
is it normal to do tank damage in ST
earnest remnant
“Is sub or assa better”
balmy condor
"I hate sub but I have to play it on X raid fight because it's better"
-# in 3 weeks there will be like 50 assa logs which will show that assa is totally fine on the bosses
waxen oyster
"I hate sub but I have to play it on X raid fight because it's better"
-# in 3 w...
"forced" xd
also did bro really press forge at low hp
rancid spade
still nothing?
balmy condor
still nothing?
is there a new pin?"
solar wyvern
Surely its a shitpost
waxen oyster
You know if whispyr didnt make this post
95% of people asking
wouldnt know they exist
solar wyvern
Whispyr does is bug fixes ye
rancid spade
to get whispyr to read me
solar wyvern
?
rotund oak
still nothing?
waxen oyster
i do find it comedic
since sub questions are way more blatant that people didnt read the guides
at all
whole snow
@balmy condor is assassination still bugged
red sonnet
yes
rancid spade
cocoa play rogue and dk hmm
red sonnet
"low population = no voice = no fair treatment"
whole snow
cocoa play rogue and dk hmm
Yeah I fucking hate splits
rotund oak
Yeah I fucking hate splits
then why you do it
whole snow
Playing multiple classes makes u better at the game
And splits are a sad reality of raiding at a high level
Also the goblin stealth animation is peak
You can’t change my mind
rotund oak
u can play other classes outside raiding still get better at the game,high lvl raiding is a choice,you werent forced into,goblin sucks bad and i dont want to
whole snow
Yeah but I thought rogue looked cool when I signed up for it in NP
rancid spade
play aug
rotund oak
no thx
waxen oyster
i have self respect
unborn rain
i could deadass play rogue on a flute
whole snow
I’m also coping that rogue gets a full rework in midnight
rotund oak
its the holy trinity for me prolly.Rogue,Mage,Priest(or paladin)
whole snow
Surely blizzard is aware that all 3 hero talents need a full redesign
Sub and outlaw are two of the least played specs in the game even when they’re good
main bridge
waxen oyster
i dont do it in raid
main bridge
i mean you just don't like damage or what?
whole snow
its not my damage
Some of it is
Mostly aoe abilities afaik
If ur wondering why bm hunters are fucking slamming mythic nexus king just check their logs for lizards
loud light
the #2 parse in the world is a bm hunter with no aug
the culprit is black arrow, not aug
whole snow
the #2 parse in the world is a bm hunter with no aug
Wdym
#1 rn actually does have no lizard
waxen oyster
If ur wondering why bm hunters are fucking slamming mythic nexus king just check...
buffs in general are stupid
waxen oyster
healers claiming monk or war buff dont matter while also spending 10+ minutes a raid night yapping about source of magic are my 13th reason why
Yeah buffs from aug
main bridge
waited like 40 minutes for a tank and they don't know that they have to stay close to the boss
🙃
rancid spade
pug city
little tulip
mage thought i was gonna shroud something cause rogues can mind read now on streets
hwomp
humble verge
oak tangle
dafuq is there to shroud in 2025
runic hinge
Shroud dn
little tulip
we were pathing behind the market area and the mage just forgot to hug the wall lmao
little tulip
that was the joke as we zoned out
if he uses invis will the mobs switch target?
they immediately ran toward the tank afair
little tulip
ye tank started a pull as they got grabbed i think
definitely getting those jump guys with the dino/cat pack is the play also
rotund oak
uberscotuwu
glad ruin
With fatebound, what am I doing wrong that I run out of energy so fast?
I burn through the tea quickly
runic hinge
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.
Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.
waxen oyster
it takes a long time to run out of energy
hexed harbor
it takes a long time to run out of energy
Not for me
waxen oyster
stop spamming so much then
hexed harbor
I feel like I fly through energy in ST
waxen oyster
fatebound kind of drowns in it
hexed harbor
It’s not too bad, with good uptime on gcds it works fine. For me it’s actually doing the rotation right lol
waxen oyster
fatebound goes mut into env sm lmfao
cyan lily
what is this 20 on that le group aura
oak tangle
knowing LE. there is probably a toggle
waxen oyster
I still use LE’s env tracker
well not the bars
but nowadays spamming env is the way
oak tangle
so i jsut space out my env
waxen oyster
like it did in s1
oak tangle
also even if it doesn't matter I despise proccing auto teas
waxen oyster
Yeah i have it happen less this season
because my fatebound openers so often go
mut into env
also the coins giving cp from seal fate
lots of people forget that positive bug exists
waxen oyster
pretty sure whispyr said
oak tangle
nvm me
oak tangle
nah im lying
waxen oyster
waxen oyster
I think the first time i saw it i didnt think much
since outlaw gets cp refunds on finishers
actually does sin get anything back on finishers
sub has energy refund
waxen oyster
probably how blizz intended to balance it
oak tangle
env application chance gives more energy back i guess
waxen oyster
sure
cyan lily
u guys know can i disable these 20 number ?
i t hink know how many adds have rupture its fine
nvm i see already ty for help
ancient ingot
Guys can someone answer how I can turn off this? I change race and after I see this, before I doesn’t saw it, maybe because I move it and now my settings a bit crashed after change
orchid pewter
Check if you have your correct dbm/bigwigs profile
earnest remnant
Guys can someone answer how I can turn off this? I change race and after I see t...
Looks like DBM
waxen oyster
Guys can someone answer how I can turn off this? I change race and after I see t...
print screen is your friend
You are a brave man playing rider on dimmy.
ancient ingot
print screen is your friend
i watching video its from prhone screen
waxen oyster
?
Thats basically your dbm profile settings though
I thpught its account wide
Idk my guild banned dbm
xdddd
ancient ingot
im just ask because before i change my race i doesnt saw it, maybe because i move it and now this shit blocking my wa rogue interface
well nice that was dbm, i forgot about him because use wa pack in m+ and turn off sounds from him
quick question how can i do this ? which addon
ancient ingot
https://wago.io/bTr0YR8qm
ty
jolly stirrup
Idk my guild banned dbm
Why xD
balmy condor
also causes a lot of issues with raid weakauras and auto-assigners
gilded oasis
Woof
ebon steppe
red sonnet
This patch is just shit for rogue
waxen oyster
i mean its like that for any spec that isnt the top 3-4
and we're decent in raid on the bosses that matter
red sonnet
waxen oyster
thanks for confirming what i said
rancid summit
What's the best M+ build for assassination right now? Seems bleed has lost favor
waxen oyster
bleed is still better what
little tulip
bleed is great right now
waxen oyster
if anything it got better
little tulip
the s2 tweaks made it trash monster
waxen oyster
with shiv being stronger
little tulip
ping your tank and tell them to funnel more
subtle tundra
red sonnet
tier sets make assassination bad again
oak tangle
Do you just come in here to doom and spread misinformation? I don’t get it
Every time you get mad at assassination, just go for a walk or hit the gym
waxen oyster
sub's tier is very good
and sin's
ngl why do people say a class is bad
for a fault of a spec
oak tangle
Dudes got his own version of reality and won’t stop until we all believe it
waxen oyster
although sub likely wouldnt be where it is without prism and 4p
oak tangle
But then you could argue sub was balanced with prism in mind
waxen oyster
yeah true
clear beacon
Guys,I've been setting up my plater but when I go to manual debuffs it doesn't show crimson tempest even though i put it on the list
am i doing something wrong?
oak tangle
I use plater, I just don’t know how to help is all
I managed to make my bars have a yellow border when no rupture applied and that’s where I stopped tinkering
red sonnet
am i doing something wrong?
my eng is bad
but i think i could solve this..
and then add some scripts
TovZUjomq4xhqAb58dHLQUx2k1UGqieMZU2R9eWQj2rooG6f)eTVf7lwNKwA7MwwvPwLdE8457NXJdlITLrTvET1uJHEg1BLhaxnMGTkkIqiXmQqPWT01fcp4y0i8eSW7RagTw60viSeenMDvAC0SPzTeH4uGuCFGh4RfgfuQLb(nf2Jm6eS2K4eskJM(OStz0LnQJ)9p7g9ZcH8UsR1H0NXOOEyz5ngzRld8b1qr(3c8gJ2px9uW1orjGXG5WwXVlGHHfT629TamkCl(Hun5FPQZ99rmAK2udoFGlTkiW3do4m8ndBecY53X1PXtiKSzzyJhL85C8POthoEttLVXbx8lTcg0V5q9I)A0Rf4jTc8F0pH1HJYUhbJVYb46CP10orFsZHN35VLT3r(xD12nSI(A6QcRuue4EDjSeY9Dw5z)D7gOuOnAZUT45VhCDok(lGVmWthhne5BpyEv9NBKr3BpIJm(Bl9)LbkQHpa59Fp849xVhhK2)m9m2d)
red sonnet
TovZUjomq4xhqAb58dHLQUx2k1UGqieMZU2R9eWQj2rooG6f)eTVf7lwNKwA7MwwvPwLdE8457NXJdlI...
this is just crimson
plucky patio
Is using wound poison on Mini Boss in HoA worth it?
elfin chasm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aRYQ6dPWgzV1wZ2v?fight=3&type=casts&source=18&view=timeline
why are my parses so bad, even though i thought im doing quite good, my dps is like 3.5m compared to others 4.5-5m, am i doing sth wrong, pls help guys, when i compared to top 1 sin rogue parse, i saw that he doesnt hold the shiv for the last 8 seconds, and tea for last 6 seconds, is it because the extended kingsbane from 4set is actually bugged?
analog field
Is using wound poison on Mini Boss in HoA worth it?
in general yes unless you kill it very fast. Just swap midfight 10 sec before the cast or something
amber brook
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aRYQ6dPWgzV1wZ2v?fight=3&type=casts&source=...
We dont hold shiv for kingsbane, use shiv to cover the whole of deathmark
And tea doesn't matter cause we bind it to shiv
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
royal lantern
the #1 rule of "why is my dmg low" is also never "is it becauuse of this extremely minor thing" but instead almost always either low gear or bigger rotational mistakes in general
like, do you really think that using shiv 2 seconds earlier or later will suddenly give you 1million more dps?
and in the case of the log you where sending there, the killtimer is kinda cuursed for you tbh
elfin chasm
the #1 rule of "why is my dmg low" is also never "is it becauuse of this extreme...
i agree to your point, thus asking for help,
the only thing i can think of is, im trying to always just keep up envenom uptime, instead of spamming it, trying to stay above 50 energy all the time, and not to trigger the tea because of low energy,
normal mist
That's an issue
Because that's the opposite of what we do
You don't care about being above 50 energy, you do spam envenoms, the only min max we can talk about is pulling energy a bit before the solo kb
coral walrus
Are 2 on use trinkets (prism + araz) better than the others as people use on subtlety? (everyone uses these 2 if they dont have prysm + antena on sub even if it sims bad)
analog field
prism and araz on sub are good on asa not that much
low verge
What embellishment would you guys go for if you’re playing all three specs in m+?
amber brook
Is araz not the preferred choice for ds?
radiant dragon
Is there any chance that rog gets fixed in 2025?
visual sun
High chance, but theres also a high chance blue post abt rogue is a straight up lie.. ahem 4pc fb cd
earnest remnant
your guess is as good as ours
radiant dragon
Nothing unusual from blizz than
They kinda busy with everything except a class that has broken talents
strange dock
hello i have 30000 mastery, is it too much ? and 21% crit chance
static glacier
hello i have 30000 mastery, is it too much ? and 21% crit chance
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
cyan summit
!tricks
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
ofc my fucking druid tank alt gets a heroic antenna from the weekly box
meanwhile my rogue still runs around with a normal one
red elbow
why DS so shit at ST😩i like DS and raid
im like top10 ds sin in wcl but still lower half in details
vestal granite
thats a great question! very mysterious
Let me ask my crystal Ball if it knows the answer
royal lantern
im like top10 ds sin in wcl but still lower half in details
assa is just kinda undertuned rn
vestal granite
wait thats EXACTLY what my crystal ball said how did you know?
did you read the numbers?
I KNEW IT it was the numbers all this time
another mystery solved
knowledge is power
red elbow
oak tangle
like, do you really think that using shiv 2 seconds earlier or later will sudden...
we learnt last night, that indeed not, but it does change a 99 into a 98
clear beacon
my eng is bad
Thank you
sly spoke
man playing this spec without netherprism has to be one of the worst feelings in this game
jaunty sky
netherprism is a goated trinket ngl
marsh fjord
I KNEW IT it was the numbers all this time
I haven’t done anything I’m innocent
severe meadow
ofc my fucking druid tank alt gets a heroic antenna from the weekly box
meanwhi...
I forgot to do weekly, glad you said something
terse stirrup
Morning. I need hold 1 shiv to last seconds of KB?
jaunty kayak
how come if i may ask? i do have quite decent mythic logs and i've been shiving the end of KB during DM all the time :D
what am i missing?
normal mist
The reasoning is that you cap KB during DM really fast
also you fit your increased dmg on the whole DM
terse stirrup
Like this? Shiv, dm, KB, shiv?
terse stirrup
Thanks
marsh fjord
Who’s that in the picture
normal mist
ily too homie
marsh fjord
Outlaw needs combat back imo 👀
normal mist
you just need to remove pistol shot and between the eyes and roll the bones
tcharan
combat
terse stirrup
The problem is that lately I've been sad doing pulls with friends and seeing them hitting 20 targets while I only scratch 8 🙁
normal mist
Is your overall that bad?
normal mist
If you're timing your keys
i dont think it is a problem
Enjoying what you do / play > rerolling "meta"
terse stirrup
Makes sense
normal mist
I only play assa per example, be it shit or op
i cant be bothered learning the other two
terse stirrup
Sometimes I think like that too, actually I always think like that, I didn't want to waste time learning another spec
normal mist
Based opinion
terse stirrup
I just wish Outlaw was more consistent and suffered less with RNG, more or less like it was in Legion
royal lantern
what
outlaw was more rng in legion
like, WAY more
outlaw is literally 1 of the most consistent specs in the game lol
no bigger ups or downs, just constant sustained dmg that stays kinda the same the entire time
amber brook
Assa with 50 same coin flips ❤️
lean plover
I considered going back to outlaw when they decided to rework ks, too bad i hate this version too
oak tangle
i will never consider outlaw, until they use daggers
severe meadow
Sword mogs tho
lean plover
I like swords
severe meadow
I wish we could mog daggers into them
lean plover
Gurubashi pokers
severe meadow
Ye I use them sometimes
severe meadow
I’m using the red kingslayers with a calm lil fit rn
The uh, rain outfit from traders
Without helm
midnight atlas
assa fix incoming
spice lagoon
assa fix incoming
What are they fixing ?
austere radish
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8FWkNKycV3HnPLzm?fight=last
Can you guys please review my log & tell me what I am doing wrong?
I think my Rupture dmg is very low
midnight atlas
dont expect rupture to be too high
well you started key with vanish i guess you were mounted next to the tank?
start stealth, tricks tank, spread some bleeds before reaching the big spider
you shiv too late in DM window
its a mess overall but that's m+ logs for you, hard to read since situation is more dynamic than raid
real pike
start stealth, tricks tank, spread some bleeds before reaching the big spider
Tricks in m+?
desert pasture
Tricks in m+?
even if its 30s tott its still nice while gathering, can still get meleed to death
real pike
I like blackjack a lot more personally
desert pasture
fair
real pike
Dmg reduc can be big on scary packs imo