assassination

[barren forge]

Was asking myself the same question, cause APL uses with DM

[knotty vapor]

how often do you guys find the fatebound cd bug happens?

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[fallow canopy]

[balmy condor]

You can just vanish there

[split veldt]

no, just a bunch of toys:

#showtooltip Sprint
/use [nostealth] Prismatic Bauble
/use [nostealth] Blazing Shadowflame Cinder
/use [nostealth] Explosive Victory
/use [nostealth] Etheric Victory
/use [nostealth] Guise of the Phase Diver
/use [nostealth] Royal Visage
/cast Sprint

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/819918800022405122/1310776107196354715/speed.gif

[barren forge]

I mean APL is using on DM. It's possible to use on 3 min and skip it on the 1:37. You wrote "you can macro it to Vanish instead and treat it as a 3 min cooldown instead for a slight DPS gain". Whats "slight"? We did 5:08 on Frac Mythic and i could get in 4 DMs. With the new dmg buff this week and better gear i prob only get 3 DMs in. So its worth to use it on 3 min and skip the 2nd DM?

[balmy condor]

Oh I didn’t see that it’s 1:30

Link the sim, it definitely shouldn’t be casting there

[barren forge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1Pktoc5MzGdHmJk1iGZKZH

[balmy condor]

It’s 0.6% better to cast on every other deathmark when you have vanish available

So it’s a bit baffling that it isn’t doing that

[humble verge]

the una family

[frozen glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/chii-kawa-chiikawa-chiikawa-beat-beating-ow-gif-16647359826059400487

[balmy condor]

Yeah I have no clue why it’s casting there I’m gonna be honest

[spice surge]

Has to be the !trinket.2/1.cooldown.ready somehow getting triggered

Despite it using a passive

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s my guess too

Maybe that other trinket is being counted as a cooldown for some reason

I’m on mobile so I can’t test a different trinket

But that is insanely strange

[barren forge]

I can change the trinket and run it again

[balmy condor]

Yeah if you can

The logic seems fine for prism

[barren forge]

So just switch with a lily for prism?

[balmy condor]

No

The other trinket

[barren forge]

ah

[balmy condor]

Ideally some other passive like a pacemaker or whatever

[barren forge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gZ4N3xgAj8fzLPMpte93Sp

[balmy condor]

wtf lmao

That’s so fucked

[barren forge]

same with sack of terror

[unreal ledge]

!macros

[balmy condor]

Yeah I think they changed some logic so now trinkets without a cooldown just always return as not ready to be used

Will have to go in and add an extra check to check if they have a cooldown AND aren’t ready

Very annoying

[thorn thorn]

[lyric crater]

question i just got the netherprism do i hit it on ever deathmark or let it build to 18stack then hit it?

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker ever dm, fatebound on every other

[lyric crater]

ok ty

[lament ridge]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[balmy condor]

That’s an old command

Yikes

Put that on my todo list as well

[barren forge]

That could be. On 27.08. we got a sim between 723 lily and 710 Nether and it was only 4k gain for the lily. Last week the Nether was way more behind. So it has to be after 27.08. it seems

[lament ridge]

i was just trying to figure out the bugs for sin that are making them sad

is that not accurate

[balmy condor]

The pins have a list, but it’s a mixture of fatebound cooldowns desyncing and blind dooming about numerical bugs

You can basically ignore everything except fatebound 4pc and singular focus not working with caustic

[thorn thorn]

what about the fotm command

[balmy condor]

Errrrr

Still accurate technically

[runic hinge]

Can you put me on there

:3

[balmy condor]

No

[runic hinge]

[long hawk]

how big of a gain is it applying garrotes to all the bosses in soul hunters?

[thorn thorn]

https://psyche.co/guides/how-to-handle-rejection-so-that-you-can-heal-and-move-on

I couldnt resist

[balmy condor]

From stealth very high, outside of stealth it’s entirely whatever

Probably should even garrote other targets honestly

[long hawk]

assuming you meant shouldnt? and cool i figured, i garrote in passing like when running around

[balmy condor]

Yes, shouldn’t

[long hawk]

another question, before cds, is it better to vanish to get dots around or do some set up first?

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[balmy condor]

Vanish is how you set up

[lavish swan]

Do you guys run Crimson temp in raid at all?

[main bridge]

Yes

Soul hunters is one of the fights

[ocean ore]

guys im seeing some logs, rogues are using prism with all death marks? or we hold for vanish?

[tropic jewel]

This is just awefull that they still havnt fixed rogue for over 20 days noe

[main bridge]

With Fatebound you use it with vanish

[ocean ore]

im feeling my dps too low, just killed fractilus with green parse

[main bridge]

On lorrgs you can easily see when they use their cooldowns too

[main bridge]

This is likely to be rotational issues. Post the log and we can help

[ocean ore]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rPA2c4CXdQgN19Fk?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=139 can u see it or its private?

[main bridge]

Cannot see

[ocean ore]

i will try to up it again

[ocean ore]

try it again pls https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rPA2c4CXdQgN19Fk?fight=16&type=damage-done&source=139

[oak tangle]

your shiv in dm is late, and you double shiv the solo kingsbane

you got the fb bug

and yolo sent a deathmark

[ocean ore]

yes, i mssplayed this solo kb

[ocean ore]

i dont hold to line up the dm with kb?

[oak tangle]

at about 1 min

ye

idk if it's a gain or not, cause more casts, but it doesn't look right for sure

[ocean ore]

theres any critical mistake in rotation?

that i can improve

[main bridge]

Yeah the ones mentioned above are important

If you get the bug you wait for cold blood and you don’t use deathmark by itself

[ocean ore]

thats the reason so i get so low at dmg?

[oak tangle]

we ramp inside our cds, if you send them desynced, of course

[main bridge]

Yeah if you wanna parse you need your cooldowns to be perfect and at the right time

[ocean ore]

we need to pooling before send cds?

i feel my solo kbs strugling

[oak tangle]

only really the naked kingsbane, but i looked at your energy and stuff it seemed ok

you also did well on cp, no overcaps, except for seal fate

[ocean ore]

i will try to focus more with the cds

[oak tangle]

im a little puzzled as to how you didn't overcap with deal fate at all, but did with seal fate, but either of those are fine to overcap on

[ocean ore]

im so unluck with crits that i cant even do this hahahaha

[oak tangle]

but like, just by getting seal fate, and overcapping, deal would have to as well is what i'd expect, and you get deal when you get seal, lol

unless it applies deal first in the logs, 🤷‍♂️

it implies you never mutilated at 4 cp, or if you did you did not crit

so i guess, a question, are you making sure to finisher at 5+

@balmy condor are you able to shed some light on this?

[ocean ore]

some times i use garrote to generate just 1 cb

and its cost less

[tranquil bough]

why do sims tell me to use haste vers rings kekw

[ocean ore]

but only when its about to ent

1-2 sec more then pandemic

[tranquil bough]

im so fucking confuseeed

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tKbcrhjrkMtWS1mUFUBwva

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nDiKYvJvVK65m6e94wUkrW

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3ebUeaLfedYSB7CTVe9tSP

[main bridge]

we use dungeon slice

[oak tangle]

what's confusing?

robit says use stat

[tranquil bough]

wdym you use dongeon slice

isnt it like

not accurate at all

[marble dawn]

it’s confusing cause his damage doubles when there’s two boss 🤡

[tranquil bough]

kekkkwwww

[coral ibex]

it is exclusively accurate for rogue

this is not a meme

[tranquil bough]

ok good to know ig

[runic hinge]

The tc’s do a lot of work on Dslice for rogue

[oak tangle]

sin kinda gimped if you couldnt apply sudden demise

[coral ibex]

tbf if there ever was a triple patchwerk fight in the game rn we probably would do like 11m dps or something over 3 minutes

[tranquil bough]

🥶

[balmy condor]

Sorry ain’t readin allat lil bro

What’s the question

[oak tangle]

over cap on seal fate, but not deal fate, does logs account for deal first? or is brother not using mut at 4 cp

[balmy condor]

Yeah you should still Mut on 4

Logs show deal fate separately

[oak tangle]

trying to work out why deal is not over capping

[balmy condor]

Deal triggers first I think because of spaghetti

[oak tangle]

kk that'll be it then

ty

[silk sundial]

if i shadowstep the knockback on fractillus, do I still break the wall?

[cunning needle]

no

make sure you step after you get knocked though

[oak tangle]

lol

[balmy condor]

Ive stepped the knock a bunch of times and the walls still break idk

[coral ibex]

https://youtu.be/syC3Dj7LSnQ?t=39

timestamp

yes

i do this every time

[silk sundial]

Thank you

[balmy condor]

I have to step to get to my soak

[silk sundial]

yeah I'm breaking on blue, red or green and my soak spot is front of star. No way i can make the run without step

[coral ibex]

have you mentioned this to your raid lead

they can fix this with the liquid or NS assignment order

i'm rarely assigned to the left bc my spread spot is front right

[silk sundial]

I was assigned blue, they were star. Then they swapped to blue and put me on star.

[coral ibex]

it prefers to assign L->R in this order

[balmy condor]

No wonder your parses are so good nooj

Sandbagger

Your guild changing the strat for you

[coral ibex]

it was actually the dh further right of me

who complained

[balmy condor]

Yeah good cope

[coral ibex]

(after i whispered him about how it was ass to spread right after breaking left)

you have to spread your tendrils to make it look like everyone wants to cater to melee

and then suddenly

[balmy condor]

You just think you’re better than me cause I don’t flip heads for 3 minutes

Is that what it is

[coral ibex]

"ooh im whispyr, i have a cool job and call redditors monkeys, im mad about coin flips"

[runic hinge]

I’ll flip you on your head for 3 minutes

[coral ibex]

it also just looks sick to shadowstep the knockback

its such a smooth movement

[balmy condor]

“Oooooh my name is nooj and I parse orange sometimes so I think people wanna watch my world rank who cares fract kill”

[coral ibex]

the dev who hit a rank 1 literally said "idk what these other devs are doing, i literally fucked up for a minute straight"

[coral ibex]

3 views baby and they're all mine

[golden loom]

Flip better bucko

[coral ibex]

i'll buck you buddy

[balmy condor]

Get that bag king

[coral ibex]

no bag

copyright music

[balmy condor]

Get it anyway

[coral ibex]

my youtube channel almost got delete bc i forgot to split my music out of the stream after i reinstalled windows

and i got omega copystruck

[balmy condor]

The classic

[coral ibex]

the AI who sent the email sounded really mad at me

[balmy condor]

Should’ve played clanker-friendly music

[runic hinge]

Ayo mods using slurs

[coral ibex]

i only play music from known clankist musicians and singers

[golden loom]

Ingame music only

[coral ibex]

until wow plays something this dank in a raid, ill pass https://youtu.be/ZoHo_Sju-X0

[lost nexus]

Man... I miss Nozgrad's Teleporting Sickle

This spell was useful when engaging "Thrall", Lord of the stones

During the AoE section of this raid encounter, the player could use this ability to negate his "Stone" mechanic

[balmy condor]

Eventually there will be a funny one

I have faith

[lost nexus]

Man... I miss Nozgrad's Teleporting Sickle
This spell was useful when engaging "Thrall", Lord of the stones
During the AoE section of this raid encounter, the player could use this ability to negate his "Stone" mechanic

[unborn rain]

teleport dn

[severe meadow]

Soul Hunties down to 9% in 14 pulls

King tomorrow

[coral ibex]

i have to go into the office tomorrow

once every 6 weeks

[main bridge]

in 2025?

time for a better job

if you have to go in at all it's just frog boiling and eventually they will try to make you come in every day

i always make sure i pick jobs where i live far enough away that this is not possible

[umbral flume]

I cant get sub to dmg yet xD

staying comfy with assa rn

[cunning needle]

oh wait sorry i typed no for some reason instead of yes

my bad

you gotta step pretty quickly though after the knockback

otherwise you get out of range

at least i was

[dense cedar]

just never do it wrong ofc

ezpz

[nova kelp]

I mean true though. If you never do it wrong you won't fail.

[rotund oak]

faith is for priests,we dont actually leave matters to faith

🗡️

[balmy condor]

@coral ibex

[oak tangle]

ngl i thought it was just a troll saying that you dont break walls, and just step anyway lol

[cunning needle]

nah for some reason my monkeyass brain read it wrongly

or it was supposed to be "no you can shadowstep and its fine"

not enough sleep or something

[sleek night]

@balmy condor do you think they will rework rogue in midnight? Do you hope they rework rogue?

[balmy condor]

Mirror mirror on the wall will they rework rogue at all

The spec trees are fine, the class tree is a little bit fucked

Biggest thing I’d want to see is hero talent reworks

[nova kelp]

Sometimes I wonder if we're a small crew because we like the niche of we've just become a small crew that is convinced it's fine by virtue of being all that's left.

I tell you what though. Once upon a time you couldn't get a raid spot as a rogue cos every guild already had 5

There's this idea these days that it was originally seen as a "PvP class" and that stuck. That wasn't the case in the early days. That came about at like mop

[radiant quarry]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[golden loom]

classic rogue was deffo pvp no?

isnt it all stories about getting ganked in stranglethorn vale

[nova kelp]

I love rogue. But there are some aspects of our baseline that I think remain problematic for the sake of tradition. And we refuse to identify it because we make the excuse to rationalise it

[cunning needle]

who is we

our baseline is fucking garbage

[nova kelp]

A lot of "rogues" do

[cunning needle]

i cant believe im agreeing with a blizzard forum comment

but at least 2/3 of those are valid

time to beat the dead horse again but

what is rogues unique utility

thats not shroud

which has been nerf'd into non existance

[nova kelp]

Cloak!

Oh wait

Poisons!

Oh wait

[cunning needle]

im still waiting

[golden loom]

opening lockboxes for people

[dense cedar]

our unique thing is agi daggers, which causes no problem whatsoever

[dense cedar]

peak gameplay tbh

[rotund oak]

u observe ppl in stealth doing weird sht

what more do u need

[cunning needle]

an aoe stun

[rotund oak]

nope

sorry

[golden loom]

nah aoe stops should be removed from others and not added to rogue

[rotund oak]

yup

we got an aoe stop btw

[cunning needle]

that works on most* mobs in the game

[rotund oak]

true

as most things do

[cunning needle]

we have less utility than a priest

[golden loom]

I love the design of kidney shot, a big single target stun that also takes resources to use
compare that to something like chaos nova for havoc, its a aoe stun that you gain resources from pressing in aoe

bad design!

[cunning needle]

[earnest remnant]

If specced into

[rotund oak]

if u ever again mentioned havoc in this sacred discord server

[dense cedar]

Soon they will give us back Expose Armor

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/eN85caNnI91.gif

[cunning needle]

i wonder at high keys

[golden loom]

havoc based spec

[cunning needle]

how many kidneyshots are acutally pressed

[earnest remnant]

Rarely

[dense cedar]

i like kidney shot in ara-kara

[rotund oak]

btch@ss sht class which im gonna murder until they never ever talk for anything in this game

thats what havoc is

[earnest remnant]

Its mostly just an emergency bonk

[cunning needle]

which spec do you think presses the most kidney shots

taking peak at arakara

zac casted 2 kidneys 2 cheapshots as o utlaw

some other top log casts 4 kidney

[rotund oak]

and you playing dh.. of all the talented rogues in here.. you...

[golden loom]

cheapshotting the alarm guys based

[cunning needle]

some other presses 5 kidney

[earnest remnant]

Blame splits not me

[cunning needle]

basically a non button

[rotund oak]

[cunning needle]

5 casts in 28 minutes, flag gets pressed more

priest is a better rogue

with utility

[earnest remnant]

I only leveled an alt cuz its required for splits

[golden loom]

ye but its just infinite souls for more glaives so u kinda press it on cd in m+ instead of for stops

[earnest remnant]

For aldrachi Yeh

[golden loom]

I do not touch felscarred cause I like weird mark minigames

[earnest remnant]

FS is the goat talents

[cunning needle]

average assi rogue take

[golden loom]

mark + funnel? sign me up

[dense cedar]

never heard of such a combination of mechanics before

exciting design

[earnest remnant]

Eye Beam goes brrrt

[golden loom]

except aldrachis funnel talent actually works and does dam

[dense cedar]

horrid name

[golden loom]

thank you

[nova kelp]

do you mean wounded quarry? or whatthesigma?

coz I'm ngl, whatthesigma is awesome

I wonder if skibiditoilet is taken on my server...

[dense cedar]

smh

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-what-what-the-sigma-sigma-the-gif-14652784622915837383

[dense cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/268400938799071232/1398065787536801873/VqEceMD.gif

[oak tangle]

i'm actually a filthy rat

[balmy condor]

fotm reroller

[oak tangle]

658 ilvl

[balmy condor]

meta chaser

CRINGE!

[oak tangle]

wait is arcane actually meta

[balmy condor]

take a guess

[oak tangle]

o

i jsut pick it cause it's ranged assass

[balmy condor]

they're basically ranged assassination but with better mobility, better defensives, better utility, a group buff, better boss damage, the same prio/funnel

but just less aoe

[red schooner]

And no big sudden demise numbers

Which is important

[balmy condor]

honestly the worst part about mages is that they get you pregnant and then leave

@thick brook

[red schooner]

He's just out getting cigarettes

He'll be back

[dense cedar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/163382741491122176/1195912381629476904/horse.gif

[balmy condor]

greetings fellow umamusume player

[dense cedar]

i will only look at images of the horses, you can't get me to actually download the slop

[balmy condor]

[dense cedar]

the one i like the most is apparently not even in the global release

so who cares

[hearty seal]

whichever spec that gets paired with people who don't kick/stop correctly
my KS goes from like 0 to 8 per dungeon

[balmy condor]

haru urara died and you don't even care

[dense cedar]

its sad horses don't have tortoise lifespans

[grim jay]

Thats so wrong

On so many levels

[thick brook]

I pay my child support

[grim jay]

Equalling out entirely opposite concepts, even on the parts they functionally share which are few, is kinda wild

[thick brook]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[balmy condor]

that's a lie, I haven't received feet pics in WEEKS

[thick brook]

[rich chasm]

how to do good damage on first boss of ara. I don't seem to be able have caustic splatter to the adds.

[grim jay]

Just dont attack them

Only rupture them real quick

Throw in a ct

Thats it

[oak tangle]

you can technically have them close to boss, as long as you dont stand on the other side to your fixate

[old obsidian]

vanish bleed combo and back to the boss

[grim jay]

Such a waste, kinda pointless even. There are enough classes that solo them real quick on 18s and probably higher aswell

[grim jay]

Also possible, but unless the tank keeps the boss close you are kinda done

Doubt there are many on lower keys up to 15 that even do that

[reef aspen]

Does anyone know if I can equip two of the same crafted rings?

[oak tangle]

you can

[reef aspen]

Ty

[oak tangle]

assuming you mean earthen crafstmanship

[reef aspen]

Yep

[clear beacon]

Hi guys, just started playing assassination in pvp,is there a way with plater to show some debuffs(all dots) with bigger icons that others?I tried to look for the options but couldn't find anyone

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[clear beacon]

It's not strictly pvp related,was just for context

[grim jay]

For visibility related reasons because you dont see those as quick or because they in general are too small for you?

[rigid sphinx]

Yo raiders, how do you handle the Cds on plexus ?? Feel like my KB windows are always during transition. Do you hold ? Or just send eaven if you can't hit during all the window ?

Btw i did the lorrgs analysis. And yeah the first KB after the First DM is always meh...

[clear beacon]

Tbh both,the icons are pretty small and can't distinguish them, and also i would like my dots to be highlighted compared to the rest of debuffs

[grim jay]

Lorrgs.io will help you with that

Oh

[rigid sphinx]

Anticipated

Haha

[grim jay]

Ye mine always was meh aswell

I just send it

[rigid sphinx]

I guess its the way then

[grim jay]

Because you can only send or just not use it at all imo

Else you would delay dm

Or desync

[rigid sphinx]

Maybe on add but fells like troll a bit haha

Top lorgs io send the KB with the 4p bug

Si they have a full Kb window

[grim jay]

We PvE people usually just blacklist everything thats unnecessary like poisons and then you can adjust overall size

For visibility

[grim jay]

Ye id guess thats worse

You can usually get half of the kb in uptime iirc

If you cast it on the boss

Just need to send the shiv a bit earlier

[dawn seal]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[static glacier]

I open this channel and instead of hearing bugs are fixed i see this

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[jovial idol]

Guys, how do I play this spec and not fall asleep in single target?

[hearty seal]

slap yourself awake while waiting for energy

[proven lintel]

Amfetamine

[tawdry halo]

Watch Netflix on the other monitor

[static glacier]

start hyper optimisingt every button press xd

[opal dagger]

I heard someone talking about sims of every trinket and lily being better than prism even on longer fights but can't find the sims 🙁
Anyone kind enough to tell me where to look please =3 ?

[normal mist]

You can actually just sim it

Top gear has an option where you can just add items to the sim

[humble umbra]

20 days without a Whispyr vod

[static glacier]

lily can beat prism on super short fights too, they compete it's not like one trinket always wins everywhere. the answer is simming the fight length you're facing - in my case if they're even (which they are in my sims atm) I prefer one or the other based on other factors like on salhadar while the boss dmg amp matters a lot I want damage on the titan so I run lily to have a trinket to use there. tl;dr sim reality and use your brain

keep in mind any downtime and deaths both affect prism stacks negatively while damage amps favour prism too

[round fjord]

Hey, any1 can explain me the netherpsim tech to leave dg and 1st pull with full stacks? When to leave exact?

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[static glacier]

!prekey

[wooden radish]

dont worry those bug fixes will come soon right

[static glacier]

[old obsidian]

Even though I'm playing assa, still hitting hard and the bosses are falling, 90+ up to 99 in points and top damage in some bosses in the guild, seriously,the subt boys are so high in the table?

[normal mist]

They are really good for the last 2 fights

Where there are damage amps and burst on demand

[distant plinth]

Sub boys go from bottom to top the second there is adds🥶

[grim jay]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

Put in key

Leave dungeon

Enter once wall/bubble is down

[spice surge]

Idk i never got it to work. I stand outside the dungeon and then my stacks get removed anyway

[gloomy heart]

does assa want base 400 sqw?

[vestal wren]

set sqw to ~200-250 or let it default

both is fine

[grim jay]

Same, stopped trying, but thats apparently how those people do it

For what its worth

[desert crest]

Maybe u need to be in loading screen as the wall drops

Works for me atleast

[vestal wren]

run out when the timer hits 1

should be somewhat reliable

its a bit stupid because it circumvents the system blizz put into place to not do shananigans like this

[winged quail]

I’ve definitely had the prism thing work on floodgate, some dungeons it’s not possible to go out tho

[coral ibex]

found new coin flip tech

[humble verge]

honda

[coral ibex]

[tired bloom]

Non mythic players do you swap builds between trashmobs/single target bosses/cleave bosses/council or just run with 1 or 2? For example fatebound for ST and a variation of deathstalker for the rest?

[desert crest]

If u want to help clear faster then yeah

I just go afk

[main bridge]

yes but for most fights with adds you just play Fatebound with Caustic Spatter and DS is only played on a few fights like the Soulhunters

[cold scroll]

Is it worth to spread more than 5 ruptures in a pull?

[coral ibex]

no, you rupture 5 targets for scent and maintain that

you can go ham on the garrote cleave during IC tho

[cold scroll]

I see, i saw a dalaran gaming guide that says that its worth to spread for dmg and energy regen, should i stop watching them guides?

[coral ibex]

idk who that is, i would follow the wowhead guide tho

[cold scroll]

noted, tyty

[desert crest]

It can be worth to spread to more than 5 targets if some of the 5 initial targets will die early

[desert crest]

The guide video is correct here we do spread rupture for dmg and energy regen

We just also spread for scent of blood

which caps at 5

[lyric vale]

I feel like im missing something or doing somthing really wrong in raid

Cuz somtimes im good sometimes im shit

[lament knoll]

Anybody else see this? 🙂

[velvet cairn]

do you have a example?

[lyric vale]

Oh man if u see my logs u will notice it

[main bridge]

what if it's just that you forgot to repair and your gear is broken

[severe meadow]

Hit us with the log goober

[velvet cairn]

i mean i can help you most certainly but you have to provide something

[main bridge]

where's the fun in that!

[lyric vale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/76965538?difficulty=4&boss=3133

Here is is farcti logs

Like waht the hell man

Am doing somthing wrong?

[lament knoll]

Assassin tied with Mage, never thought I’d see that again

Have no idea what I’m doing I just use single button assist lol but looks good to
Me

[velvet cairn]

i see lots of logs but do you want to do a specific one or ?

[lyric vale]

Check today ones

[severe meadow]

[coral ibex]

this isn’t a classic channel

sorry

there’s single button assist in classic ?

[lament knoll]

stuff dies so lmao

[coral ibex]

wtf

[lament knoll]

Oh idk, I play retail

[severe meadow]

you only press like 2 buttons in classic

[coral ibex]

i know that’s why i was confused

[velvet cairn]

okay first spontanus thing is at 2:15 u burst (on the 74 log) but on the other one you dont? u kinda hit a record basically

[coral ibex]

classic is a solved game, not interesting to look at wcl

[severe meadow]

or to even play imo

Actually PvPing in the super early days is kinda fun

[lyric vale]

Yeah if i remember closely i didnt got cd reduction from tierset and went fro burst on 2 min window

Sophie is about to roast me i think

[lament knoll]

PvP used to be fun in tbc wrath and now.. eh

[warm vortex]

Btw uber idk why but this has been stuck in my head today XD

[velvet cairn]

i mean if ur clicking cds on cd which is pretty obvious you should do your doing the important part right. but there is small things which you prob should improve on

like basic rotation wise

but like mostly heroic logs is about kill time which is kinda useless to look at then

[lyric vale]

Hmmm

[severe meadow]

I didn't even realize it was a heroic log xd

yeah heroic is kinda cooked

[lyric vale]

At this point im just vibing with music if its a kill time cuz scale is cooked in my raid

[velvet cairn]

fractilus is kinda cooked in mythic too so cba with it

[severe meadow]

We borderline hit enrage and I died so my parse is COOKED

always got reclear tho

[velvet cairn]

we kill it at around 4:40

[severe meadow]

5:13

[velvet cairn]

but like thats when cds come up and when its starts doing damage its just dead

[lyric vale]

4.40 is bad no?

[severe meadow]

mythic

[velvet cairn]

like wonder what is about to happen

[velvet cairn]

i mean hard enrage at 5:15?

perfect killtime would be like 5min exactly i think

or ish atleast

[lyric vale]

Ohh

[severe meadow]

We always had someone die early and it was cursed

[lyric vale]

We are at araz so i havent got blessed with fracti

[severe meadow]

(Warlock)

[lyric vale]

Priest

[severe meadow]

We did get hunties to 9% tho

so it should fall over today

and then on to the real wall

[velvet cairn]

@lyric vale here is a good example of killtimes

[severe meadow]

is that heroic?

[velvet cairn]

this is vexie last raid. i got same gear and no diff in dmg buff. But i did a lot more damage since it died faster

[severe meadow]

o xd

[velvet cairn]

this is just vexie from liberation

[severe meadow]

I was like wtf, we killed ours in 2:55

[velvet cairn]

just tried to find some log to show a example

[severe meadow]

Didn't read the ilvl

skill issue

[main bridge]

dps higher when boss die faster

[velvet cairn]

also since it lined better execute in damage amp it got a better parse natrually

[velvet cairn]

real, but with higher parses its about how ur cds line up with killtime rather then just killtime

[hearty seal]

yeah if something dies in 3:30 and you're DS Assa, it suuuucks

[grim jay]

Killtime always is more about how CDs line up

Fast never is automatically better

[velvet cairn]

eg this is mugzee hc last season. I got my 2nd deathmark through on 98 parse but on the 100 log i also got the dry shiv through just as he died which means a better lineup in terms of killtime with cds @lyric vale

[lyric vale]

hm but the problem is when im off cd my damage fall down so much

even tho i check somelogs

[main bridge]

is that unexpected?

[lyric vale]

its like im doing same

[velvet cairn]

thats the same as others

this is a loom 97 parse when i did it

natruall curves on that bad boy

also ignore it was a shit kill from guild

but this is the profile of assa, ur do big dam in cds and a bit small dam in just kb window

rest is just trying to do damage and be ready for next window of damage

[lyric vale]

aight

almost noticed it

i just need to play my nutrall play

and dont mind otherthing

cuz i cant do shit for kill time

[velvet cairn]

thats true. But i can tell you in the future when fractilus dies at 3min and like 20 sec you will get the "best" log

since u can send a cd window in execute with spymasters

which means rest of the log depends on coins and ambush procs and general knowledge

[lyric vale]

Hm thats right u can peak at 5.4dps on 3.20 fight

[velvet cairn]

yeah similare to this

but this is a sublog and im not good at sub. but you get the point im sure

just imgaine the last spike being higher and more spikey

[lyric vale]

true

maybe its state>??

cuz i get energy drained in kb

[velvet cairn]

we all do, its a small minmax to pool before

but the only thing you kinda have to do is sim ur guy and if u want a concret focus on stats i would say

mastery = crit - hast - vers

note that fatebound sims good with much crit

thats also why antenna is for instance eg 2% in fatebound but only 1% in deathstalker

(sample numbers not real)

[lyric vale]

ehm ehm im at 14k crit and 20k mastery

but i have antenna

[velvet cairn]

then it sounds wonderful

[lyric vale]

yeah antenna make up for it and versa can carry other things

[velvet cairn]

i can maybe find a example of pooling for kb for you give me a sec

[coral ibex]

you only ever pool before non-dm kb

with 5+ cp stored

and you pool for like 3-5 sec

[velvet cairn]

here is a example kinda i will look after more

[sharp wigeon]

Hi, is assa still considered as one of the harder specs to play in M+ in 11.2?

[humble verge]

harder idk

arcane is up there

[velvet cairn]

i get 5 cp at the "low" curve then i wait a bit for kb

[velvet cairn]

na

here is a even better example of pooling before KB

then during kb it natrually goes down

[lyric vale]

oh

so 5s pooling before kb is good but i should store 5cp for it

and also reappy garrot raptrue right?

[velvet cairn]

yeah u want to spend to get envenom debuff b4 KB

or u preferly reapply bleeds when its nearing

[grim jay]

Arcane is pretty easy tho

Its a shadow of its former self

[humble verge]

2 wipes on first boss somehow still manage to time this on my alt rogue xd

[velvet cairn]

i think in the top graph at the peak i do a rupture into mutilate to a envenon then into kingsbane

[humble verge]

[lyric vale]

yeah the drops on graph show it

aight ty sophie

i wil try and mess around more

[velvet cairn]

no worries glad to help

as long u maxamize damage in KB and DM KB u will do just fine

[coral ibex]

rupturing before kb is only correct if it’s in pandemic

[velvet cairn]

and maintain bleeds ofc

[coral ibex]

don’t refresh early

[lyric vale]

oki

[cold scroll]

Do you restore bleeds when it reaches pandemic or you let it go off then reload? (not talking about improved garrote)

[coral ibex]

pandemic

[torpid hound]

Öhm Short Question.
Second Boss Loom.
Shadow Step.
Where do we land when Shadowstepping the incoming Web. (Mythic | outer ring of them 2)
Do we land betwen to the 2 Webs or one the Outside?

[marsh fjord]

You shadow step the second add if you get the web

And move to the back

[torpid hound]

Okay ! 🙂 Awesome. i was kinda scared to test it and die horriblie when just trying to carry out fast 😄

[marsh fjord]

You can go into heroic and test the same theory

But you have a lot of time

[royal lantern]

i legit NEVER thouught about doing that lol

[marsh fjord]

🫣🫣

[flat pier]

Heh just wait for pull first otherwise boss will gimp you ;). Totally didn't happen to me

[gaunt quiver]

Am I just dumb?
I dont see what im missing:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ACMx4V2ZPDXf1Qjq?fight=49&type=damage-done

[main bridge]

Hit boss harder

[royal mauve]

Its all fun and games till you shadowstep the first add then get tether pulled into the wall >.>

Not that i've ever done that

[golden loom]

I just sit with the tether until the tangles are dead

13 stacks or whatever is a healer problem

[celest ruin]

its 3:10 cooldowns are up but fract is still 40% hp. worth holding for 35% or nah?

[golden loom]

tell ur raid to hit harder

[celest ruin]

[desert crest]

If u are not going to lose a use then yes

if u are going to lose a use then no

[rotund oak]

[burnt star]

Hard to tell as people keep getting new gear. And we get extra 3%. U dont know when fight is gonna end. U might lose an extra.. or u might not.

Look at previous kill time. If its your firsr kill. Look at what time u wipe and what % boss is

[gaunt quiver]

I should add: I dont have boots yet. But surely that cant be the one main contributor to lackluster performance.

[burnt star]

If its first kill. Might be best to send anyways. Cause people could die. Giving u an extra cast that can help kill boss

Or.. u could die who knows

[zealous moth]

bro i thought i was about to apply to whispyr's guild wtf

[lost nexus]

I'm excited for the following Patch 5.60. With the upcoming re-encounter with Anduin the Re-re-shadowed, I believe rogue will be meta for progression. The spell "Archmage Arugal" will be pivotal to the raid tier success. Without this, the players will be forced to use sub-optimal spells like "Kafrizzle" and "Pearly Gates". This is not great as Anduin the Re-re-shadowed has resistance to light and fire based attacks.

[red schooner]

Sir, did you have a stroke?

Are you okay?

[royal lantern]

@vestal wren is this a ai bot

like, serious question

[zealous moth]

she kafrizzles on my pearly gates until i arugal

[red schooner]

Do we need to send an ambulance out?

[hearty seal]

I don't think a bot can hallucinate this hard

[main bridge]

That’s just their bit

[pure moth]

Depends who makes the bot?

[red schooner]

Is there a robot version of LSD?

[zealous moth]

LCD

[hearty seal]

yeah I was slow with that one

[shy heron]

I'm that it's an attempt to poison AI wowhead articles

Like how glorbo was

[zealous moth]

[hot jay]

Speaking of frac.....at sometime below 35%, possibly around that same time marker

Getting the wall break assignment right when your cds are up in execute is depressing

[zealous moth]

i mean you can just shadowstep

[vestal wren]

probably just a troll?

[zealous moth]

just after the break hits

and not lose uptime

[hot jay]

Isn't that inciting chaos in your raid to sprint step all the way back to the boss during the purple circles

Idk

I didn't wanna grief

[zealous moth]

i mean you have what like

[hot jay]

It was our first kill or w/e

[zealous moth]

3-4 seconds before the circles pop?

you just cancel the knocback and run away from the safe lane

was it mythic?

[hot jay]

That's the part I'm still confused on i guess

[zealous moth]

i haven't had an issue doing that in H so far

[hot jay]

Wdym cancel the knock on a break

I thought you had to let it happen

Or the break doesn't work

[zealous moth]

im pretty sure after the projectile hits it doesn't matter if you hit the wall

unless that fight is an absolute joke and i've been griefing wall breaks for 3 weeks

[hot jay]

I wouldn't know, but I'll have to look into it for reclear

[zealous moth]

for sure

[onyx coyote]

How do you not get thrown back?

[hot jay]

Theres a projectile? My brain is bricked on that fight

[zealous moth]

i mean, worst case scenario you cause a wipe

[hot jay]

I thought you were essentially the projectile that is breaking the wall

[onyx coyote]

my dps is lower then i like on fractilluus cause of all the down time from wall breking.

[zealous moth]

not so worst case you just dont break your walls and nothing happens

[coral ibex]

just step during the knock back

you don’t have to hit the wall

[deep gyro]

I can guarantee it works to step

[zealous moth]

shadowstep as he pushes you back

[deep gyro]

Before u hit wall

[coral ibex]

i do it every time

[onyx coyote]

oh cool ty

[hot jay]

I guess I've been clueless about this boss then

[deep gyro]

In fact if u do it u can actually get knock back slightly back from boss during step

[hot jay]

Whatever it literally died in a handful of pulls after our forgeweaver kill

It's a heroic boss

[zealous moth]

it also works for wall placements, those knock you bat a bit and cause a sec of downtime

if you want to optimize, just do the same

[deep gyro]

Optimizing the patchwerk fight letsgo

[zealous moth]

i mean

if you are shadowstepping on wall breaks you are optimizing

[deep gyro]

I was just sucking at every fight i don’t even know how to get better at each 🙁

[zealous moth]

don't know what to tell ya

[coral ibex]

wall placements shouldn’t knock you out of melee

[hot jay]

Of course forgeweaver dies on my worst pull after I felt like I had every timing downloaded into my brain for sub

[coral ibex]

his hitbox is enormous

[deep gyro]

I didnt mean anything bad.

[coral ibex]

just stand closer to the front

[hot jay]

I think some of the adds got mega sniped

[zealous moth]

nono i know

[hot jay]

On our kill

[zealous moth]

fr?

[onyx coyote]

There was someting posted here yesterday at build change to counter one of the bugs but I forgot to note it down something about going to imp garrote buut i missed what t take out to go to it.

[zealous moth]

i may be standing too far back

[deep gyro]

That

[zealous moth]

my brain just assumed touching him = death

[coral ibex]

you should just be as far forward as possible without touching him

[zealous moth]

i thought i was

looks like i can get closer

[unborn rain]

real

[vital haven]

somewhat related what is up with the all the tiny hitboxes this season

dimensius tiny hitbox

first boss streets omega tiny

bring back acro

[onyx coyote]

In the new bleed build i ran into some issues in ara kara. We were chain pulling the entire backportion and i ran out of vanishes and thistle tea. Is there anyway to regain dps during that if your out of both? It seemed to be easier to in hybrid.

[zealous moth]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[coral ibex]

you can’t run out of energy with 5 ruptures out

it’s impossible

you have infinite energy in aoe

[zealous moth]

^

specially if you snipe ruptures

btw, what pull is the backportion?

the third big spider before first boss?

[frank vector]

2 min deathmark is worse than fdks 45 sec reapers mark?

[onyx coyote]

From the door with the lady after thespirder boss all the waya t final boss.

[zealous moth]

i love that you say spider boss

bc it's just all spiders lmao

but yeah, i know where you mean

just after the second boss

yeah, like the copy paste says, if you´re applying 5 ruptures and hitting your caustic target you just don't run out of energy

[onyx coyote]

k ty

[zealous moth]

plus that helps dps bc of scent of blood

5 ruptures i'd say almost prio number 1 in keys

[hearty seal]

what do you mean by that

[frank vector]

is it wrong

[coral ibex]

what are you asking

[normal mist]

Are bananas worse than oranges?

[coral ibex]

you wrote a declarative statement and then put ? on the end

[normal mist]

Simple question

[coral ibex]

that doesn’t make it a question

[scarlet orbit]

Yes bananas are by far better

[normal mist]

Is renew better than ferocious bite?

[main bridge]

No bananas are an S tier fruit

[normal mist]

Bananas enjoyers assemble

[zealous moth]

mayonnaise is an instrument?

[spice surge]

Only if its going up an escalator

[cyan dew]

Guys, it's a giga loss if I don't have envenom up before burst? Sometimes I'm rly low on energy and build cp's to envenom to then burst takes too long.

[zealous moth]

save energy before burst 5head

[frank vector]

the answer is is yes. death mark is worse than a 45sec cd

[normal mist]

Damn

By what metrics

[zealous moth]

but fr, pool energy before going into cds

DM helps with energy regen a lot, but try to have ~150 energy up

[cyan dew]

sometimes it's not possible. Like on araz with adds spawning all the time and you spamming caustic.

[main bridge]

If there are adds you should have the most energy

[zealous moth]

rupture snipe can help there

[coral ibex]

thanks for the input

i’ll write that down

[zealous moth]

and also caustic cleave off of adds will also help with energy

[severe meadow]

Fixes or bread daggers, I mean come on

[zealous moth]

if you have no energy during cds you'll lose a bunch of damage bc you don't really want to just be autoing during kingsbane

[frank vector]

why death mark cant be perhaps 1 min? 45 sec is alot to ask

[zealous moth]

and being able to cleave a kingsbane + envenoms will be much better than just spamming FoK on adds

[main bridge]

Reroll DK and stop baiting plz

[severe meadow]

We don’t design the class btw

In case you thought we did

[zealous moth]

but yeah, you should be rupturing the (phaseblades? whichever is that has the most health) to help with energy regen

[coral ibex]

mfw

[zealous moth]

because i don't want it to be 1 min

[weary stump]

Wdym yes we do, that's why we have no complaints about any bugs whatsoever

[zealous moth]

for even asking that, i will manifest a 3 mincd Deathmark

[frank vector]

well can we atleast have kingsbane back in the m+ meta build?

[zealous moth]

no

[main bridge]

I think you do not actually play rogue

[zealous moth]

bc baning kings is wrong and illegal and ugly

and stinky

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[zealous moth]

baneing?

[severe meadow]

Banneding

Anyway stop getting baited by someone named GayLittlePirate

[spice spire]

I will not

ABB

Always be baited

[normal mist]

I thought the yellow name gave it away

[severe meadow]

[weary stump]

Clearly what we need in m+ and raid is higher relevance of distract and shroud

Let us pickpocket the password from NPCs in streets to skip the bartering

[severe meadow]

Let me disarm fract and take his arms off

[zealous moth]

You know what ass needs for keys

[celest ruin]

why cant we kill this training dummy boss

[zealous moth]

Pickpocket gold scaling with key level

[weary stump]

Real

[zealous moth]

1000 gold per add

On a 20

[weary stump]

Brick a key on purpose to gold farm

[main bridge]

Tetris boss too hard

[zealous moth]

Holy shit

What's the change for M?

[severe meadow]

Spread

Circles

[celest ruin]

idk just lots of circles i guess instead of just 2-3 people

[severe meadow]

That’s kinda it

[zealous moth]

Sheesh

[severe meadow]

It’s really easy if your group isn’t damage goblins during spread

[zealous moth]

That's rough

[frank vector]

just go pick pocket during a m+ boss fight, we do tank dmg anyway on them

[weary stump]

Terros did it better as a rock man

[celest ruin]

im just afraid we kill this in a scuffed timer and i parse blue :SAD:

[severe meadow]

We pulled it on accident when I wasn’t stealthed and that was the kill

I was like 6 seconds late to the pull

[weary stump]

at least your dagger wasn't broken

[coral ibex]

you don’t need stealth for fract

[zealous moth]

That's why i always stealth as soon as i'm up

Some idiot always butt pulling

[coral ibex]

there’s no imp garrote in the build

[severe meadow]

No but I was super late for it

[twin hull]

I have a very weird question...if u know please help.... so i have a mythic 707 ring...and have crafted earthen craftmans ring @720....now if i craft another earthen craftmans ring @720...will the upgrades to the 707 ring be free(till 720)? or im chucked either way and have to spend 135 crests to upgrade both those rings...the reason i ask is cause since 2 rings have the same name...so it might not register i have 2 different rings...and consider it as only 1 ring at 720...so i still might need to upgrade my mythic track ring to 723 with another 75 crests...

[marsh fjord]

wipe 18 oef

[oak tangle]

no, enchanted gilded crests are 60 regardless

but once you have 2 720 rings, you can upgrade to 720 at no cost on a myth track item

[twin hull]

no no the other way around...say i craft another earthen ring @720 using 60 crests....so now i have 2 crafted rings at 720...will the 707 get free upgrades to 720?

[twin hull]

even if the names of the rings are the same?

[oak tangle]

it's not the names that count it's the number, you have 2 have 2 rings, the same as 2 trinkets, before you get the cost reduction

it doesn't work with unique equipeed items because you can't equip them at once, but crafted rings arent unique equipped

[twin hull]

cause i had the issue before right...i have gotten 2 of the same rings at 701...but i cldnt upgrade my other ring to 701 for free..since the game sees i have 2 rings that are the same at 701s

[oak tangle]

unique equipped is the reason

[twin hull]

ahhh this

[twin hull]

understood...so craft the ring and get the free upgrade then

[oak tangle]

well 60 gilded, but yeah

[twin hull]

ty ty ty ty ty ty uwuw

[twin hull]

yep yep understood...like dont upgrade the 707 1st..cause then im chucked cause crafting will still take 60...do the craft 1st and upgrade the 707 for free after

ty ty

[weary stump]

What blizzard really needs to do is make a third currency with weekly caps that we need to grind delves for in order to upgrade gear, to hurt us spiritually further

[zealous moth]

what blizzard really needs to do is make reapers mark 1 min cd

[zealous moth]

unpopular opinion, i like delves, they are a good addition

not mandatory, just mid level content, easy, fun, quick

and you can even get H track and gilded crests

[quasi ledge]

You said you already have a crafted ring, why would you craft another just to upgrade your mythic ring?

[zealous moth]

and you only depend on 1 idiot (brann)

[zealous moth]

i'd assume he is crafting the other ring for either M+ or raid

[twin hull]

cause i got the halls ring in the vault at 707...but that wont work for sub...so craft a ring for sub rogue...and upgrade this for when i play sin

[zealous moth]

if the myth ring has a bunch of vers you probly still want crit mastery for raid

or haste

oh that's why

[robust scaffold]

One of the best trinkets in the game for several specs during part of season 1 came from delves...

[zealous moth]

the mechano core

my beloved

[humble verge]

lifting today

[main bridge]

Wow

[zealous moth]

labubuff

[humble verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462658384295100427/1408530850265694278/chobotchu_-_1958653731836162201.gif

[warm vortex]

[zealous moth]

my apolocheese

[weary stump]

They're fun but making them mandatory would be evil

[marsh fjord]

if you want to be competitive they are already mandatory for the first weeks of the season

[zealous moth]

yeah but like

they are not hard

specially if you can duo with someone

i did 11s week 1 with my healer

and they take like 15 min, 10 if it's a short one

way more chill than doing keys with randoms

[marsh fjord]

Yeah. but time is not relevant is it? if its mandatory and you NEED to do them you will stay in them for hours if thats needed

[zealous moth]

honestly i just did 8 for vault and then spammed keys

but yeah, i see what you mean

[marsh fjord]

People always complained like, WE NEED to do torghast its better if it was just for cosmectics only. and then delves do the actually the same thing, only the impact is less

One gave legendaries

other one gives tier set (chance)

[zealous moth]

i never got to do thorgast

tho i did it when i was bored clearing sl content

[marsh fjord]

Well people complained that you had to do them for power.

[zealous moth]

and it looked like a pain in the ass

[marsh fjord]

because it gave legendaries

I prefer torghast over delves

[zealous moth]

the gear system was the same, right?

champ/hero/myth track

[marsh fjord]

Yeah, but we didnt had the vault like we do today

[zealous moth]

yeah, that was DF, right?

[marsh fjord]

Yeah

[main bridge]

torghast was awful and worse in every way than delves

[zealous moth]

i mean if you can get legendaries on myth track it absolutely mandatory

[main bridge]

500 levels of the same mobs in levels that look the same

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-gif-20305030

[zealous moth]

you know what i absolutely hate from delves?

the underwater levels

[main bridge]

those dont exist anymore

[zealous moth]

haven't touched one since start of s2

[main bridge]

get with it

[marsh fjord]

They are removed y

[zealous moth]

fuck that shit

thank god

[marsh fjord]

But why i hate delves is not because of delves

its because of brann

and how shit he is

[zealous moth]

YES

he is useless

as dps he was under my healer

i mean yeah, it was a disc priest but still

[marsh fjord]

Not even that. i assign him as my tank and he just pulls the entire fucking delve for me

[zealous moth]

"dps" 20k dps

as tank he just gets aggro and stands in shit and keeps adds in pools and fire

[marsh fjord]

Yeah and as a rogue he stands in puddles and i cant even hit him.

[zealous moth]

as healer i literally outheal him with flask

[marsh fjord]

because i die if i do

[zealous moth]

tho i gotta say

the mini flarendos he had?

loved those dudes

the gang

[solemn laurel]

any assass players that can help with why my damage is what it is on our M prog

[red schooner]

Post a log and someone can have a look at it

[solemn laurel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gNmyKzYcJxL7V1Ct?fight=18&type=damage-done&source=51

is it my stats, boss uptime, casts, cds at wrong times?

[red schooner]

first thing I saw, not the worst thing but, definitely a waste of a craft.

Second thing - Your three minut cooldowns were sent at 4 minutes

[main bridge]

oh no

[red schooner]

You held for a full minute

Don't do that.

[zealous moth]

i did the same

[red schooner]

You wasted 66% of a deathmark.

[solemn laurel]

where did i do that

ooh, waiting for intermission

[red schooner]

Between 3 and 4 minutes

Yeah, no, it ain't worth holding for a full minute.

[zealous moth]

i mean that's a big fat dps loss right there

[red schooner]

A full minute is madness

Additionally there was no second shiv during the 4 minute cooldown set.

But your kill was 6:35 right? You held for a minute, you outright lost a deathmark usage by doing that.

[zealous moth]

that's 4 deathmarks

if the intermission lines up with your cds cool

or you can hold them for like 10 seconds

but not an entire minute

[red schooner]

And then your kingsbane after that is sent a minute later and your shiv timings are wack because you missed the second shiv in your 4 minute cooldowns

And then you sent cooldowns at 5 minutes due to the bug and held kingsbane for another minute which I think comes out at a loss overall?

[solemn laurel]

still a bug going on?

[red schooner]

But yeah, rotation seems good, but holding for a full minute is

[solemn laurel]

i saw if i dont have death mark i send a kingsbane and shiv once at 8sec

[red schooner]

Yeah, fatebound 4piece is still bugged out and cooldowns desync

[zealous moth]

isn't that just at the start tho?

[red schooner]

Nope

It can happen mid fight

[zealous moth]

can it proc again later?

what

the fuck

BLIZZARD

[red schooner]

I've not seen the 'cooldown remains at 2 minutes' thing happen mid fight

But I've definitely had cooldowns line up and then desync again midfight

[solemn laurel]

on plexus, do you guys send your kingsbane at his 100% energy if you have it up

[red schooner]

But your rotation looks fine.

Just holding for a full minute fucked you out of a cooldown usage

[zealous moth]

just seeing you casted 4 deathmarks

you missed on 2

that's rough

[red schooner]

So yeah, that's the main thing to look at

[zealous moth]

i thought he had missed 1

[solemn laurel]

hmm

[zealous moth]

i love how wow analyzer says you casted 1 thistle tea

[solemn laurel]

lol, that has never been too accurate

[zealous moth]

like yeah, sure lmao

[red schooner]

I do - think of it this way -

You either a) Send kingsbane, you get some stacks beforehand but its not as good -
b) Don't send kingsbane, get back to boss with kingsbane up and 20 seconds or so left on deathmark cooldown so you're gonna hold anyhow

I'd rather get the additional kingsbane out

You can get the kingsbane and a few cold blood envenoms versus... not

[zealous moth]

also, 2 vanish casts on a 6 minute fight

yeah, looks like you just need to line your big cds better

don't waste them waiting for a dmg amp phase

[solemn laurel]

do i vanish for death marks or kingsbanes

[red schooner]

Every 3 minutes with deathmark usually

[zealous moth]

wait

[solemn laurel]

and vanish only affects evenom right

[zealous moth]

what am i saying

it doesn't line up bc of 4set

ignore me

[zealous moth]

no, it's any coin flip

and it's supposed to stack with double jeopardy, saw a dude a while back talking about it

[solemn laurel]

i mean the crit from it applies to envenom

[zealous moth]

so if you vanish > Deathmark it flips 3 coins

if not, then a dude here lied to me

[marsh ferry]

We don't play master assassin in raid, so no crit from vanish

[zealous moth]

what crit

[hexed pumice]

btw do we havy any use of evasion in raid, when running FB? cuz the DS talent tree had the evasion thingy also reducing 20% dmg or smh, but now its gone and almost everything is a magic spell there right?

[solemn laurel]

so am i still vanishing into kingsbane or deathmark?

after first opener burst

or am i doing this sht wrong

[marsh ferry]

you can vanish before DM, KB, first CB envenom, or second CB envenom

vanish doesn't care